00:11:24.140What does Mr. Peckford think of all this?
00:11:26.220I mean, does he think that the language in the charter is strong enough?
00:11:29.060And, you know, he told he was on the show about a year ago and he told a great story about what it was like in that room with Pierre Elliott Trudeau and Reddy Levesque and all of the premiers of the day.
00:11:38.420uh was he disappointed in himself that this has happened and i know you've got a great story about
00:11:44.320the day the emergency act was uh was invoked on us regarding no he doesn't from my many discussions
00:11:51.800with him and and and you know he's been very vocal and done many interviews and given many
00:11:57.360speeches and and i'm and lectures and i'm very glad that he he's done that and continues to do it
00:12:01.880um i think he believes like i do that the charter is a sound document but it's being misapplied
00:12:10.140that the courts have been unwilling to make the difficult calls you know i you know there's this
00:12:18.060image of lady justice and she has a blindfold and i've said covid the judges pulled the blindfold
00:12:25.260down. And they looked to see whose team you were on and made decisions in that manner. You just
00:12:32.400cannot read some of these decisions from our courts on the various COVID restrictions, whether
00:12:38.160it was restricting people from working, from traveling, from assembly, from religion, and so
00:12:46.120on, and conclude that they actually looked at the evidence. Because the evidence showing that COVID
00:12:54.900was not as serious as was portrayed by the public health authorities the vaccine was not effective0.62
00:12:59.660and had adverse effects and so on that these lockdowns weren't warded was pretty compelling
00:13:04.000but no judge with limited exception was willing to make that bold decision but that's the essence of
00:13:12.440justice and our justice process is that the the judge is supposed to make a decision however
00:13:18.520ever unpopular. It's actually interesting. When I arrived in Ottawa during the convoy
00:13:24.120and got served on the Friday, February 3rd, I think that would be, or 4th, around there,
00:13:31.000with the emergency horn injunction. And the next day, I found myself appearing before one of their
00:13:36.120senior judges, a grumpy Judge Justice McLean. And there was over 400 media in the Zoom from
00:13:45.680around the world new york times you name it and he could see how many people were in and he made
00:13:52.100this statement that he wasn't in a popularity contest and that he was going to make whatever
00:13:57.840decision the facts and the law and the evidence led him to however unpopular that might be
00:14:03.700and that's what our courts are supposed to do and and i really don't feel they've been doing that
00:14:09.240i hope they get back to it soon they have been the courts have provincial courts been giving
00:14:14.740government great reverence in regards to judicial notice and that means you know well i should let
00:14:20.080you explain judicial notice to the people first of all because you'll do it better than i will
00:14:23.840you know and judicial notice is a heavy heavy concept in law okay this is not something to
00:14:29.560be taken lightly and i can illustrate it quite easily um if you've got a personal injury motor
00:14:35.160vehicle case or something and um the person was driving at sunset towards the west you don't need
00:14:42.980to bring evidence to prove that the sun sets in the West. If somebody is walking down a downtown
00:14:47.640street and there's a highway construction going on and some worker knocks something off and it
00:14:53.300falls and hits someone in the head, you don't need to bring in a physicist to establish that
00:14:57.740gravity exists. Okay. So it's that kind of thing that's so fundamental, um, that they will restrict
00:15:04.600judicial notice to. There's not a lot of things that the courts have ever taken judicial notice
00:15:08.760of judicial notice means you need to bring no evidence to prove it the courts already accepted
00:15:13.440it as a given fact given piece of evidence and it's established so the courts began starting
00:15:18.940taking judicial notice that covid was the worst thing since the plague um or as bad as the plague
00:15:25.300that the vaccine was effective and prevented transmission and that um you know that the
00:15:32.220public health officials were filled with divine goodness truth beauty and nothing bad it was
00:15:37.660really bizarre when you look at some of the things the courts took judicial notice of.
00:15:42.800So as a lawyer trying to fight against that, like, how is it even possible?
00:15:47.520Well, the approach I took when I initially got involved in the fall of 2021,
00:15:57.580the approach I took was that, you know, I'd seen some of the other cases that had gone to the
00:16:03.380courts and I was like, ah, you shouldn't have done a statement of claim. You should have done
00:16:06.620an originating application. This is a judicial review. It's not a negligence action. And I was
00:16:10.820like, oh no, that one's going to get knocked. That one's going to get punted. So I worked with other
00:16:15.620lawyers, some very, very esteemed lawyers across the country. And I said, we've got to put together
00:16:20.520a properly formulated case procedurally, legally, factually, so that we can see if the system's
00:16:31.140going to work and if the system is going to work then great the system being the institution of
00:16:37.320our courts and the institution of our laws and our charter um and if it's not going to work and
00:16:43.000that system's become corrupted then we need to do it so everybody can see it because it's only
00:16:47.860through understanding that your institutions have been corrupted that you can reform them and
00:16:51.540improve them so that was my motivation because i did have a number of lawyers say to me why are
00:16:56.940you doing this? Cause you know, I am on, I think you're right. And I'm as concerned as you are,
00:17:00.640but I think the courts are, are not on our side right now. Are they corrupted Keith? And I know
00:17:07.020it's a difficult question to answer as a member of the bar. Well, I think I've answered it, which
00:17:12.760is, I think lady justice's blindfold has been pulled down. And, um, uh, we've seen number of
00:17:20.660instances it, uh, an example is judicial notice completely outside the norms of when a court
00:17:26.600would normally take judicial notice complete absence of evidence you know they have no
00:17:31.260evidence before them about the effect the effectiveness and the harms and the risks
00:17:35.480associated with the vaccine um and they just take judicial notice that it's safe and effective
00:17:41.860like that that's just not the way our system uh is is has ever been intended to work so who
00:17:49.840imposes this judicial notice is it the chief justice of each province no it's the judge
00:17:55.460sitting on any given case. They have the ability to take judicial notice of anything that's before
00:18:00.060them. And so every single one of them nearly has said, yes, okay, we're going to give complete
00:18:05.100reverence to the government. Everything they've said is right. And you have to prove they're
00:18:08.840wrong before you can even prove your case. Wow. Well, you don't, it's worse than that. So first
00:18:17.100of all, in not every instance, did they take judicial notice, but they would put in their
00:18:21.200ruling that the vaccine was safe and effective and therefore it's okay for the divorcing couple
00:18:26.140the one parent that wants the child to get vaccinated to order the child vaccinated that
00:18:31.180kind of stuff but um if they're taking judicial notice of it it's not even rebuttable it's you're
00:18:37.620done they've ruled okay so before we even get into your personal journey which is what i want to do
00:18:45.540tonight and i know you've been on many shows like this and and you've talked about this and how you
00:18:50.520got involved because of your wife actually she said for you to get out and do something about
00:18:56.060this and i want you to tell that story later on was voluntold here's the big one where the money
00:19:02.160go keith where's the money where is it shadow didn't we split it you and me dude if we split
00:19:10.980this money i'd be a rumor by now i wouldn't be up here in winnipeg expecting a blizzard in the
00:19:17.320next couple of days i would be somewhere down south earning 20 on a beach uh yeah so let's deal
00:19:25.220with it it's easy uh the truth is easy so the fascinating thing about the money so what are we
00:19:30.900talking about the money well first of all there was the gofundme and it raised 10 million and
00:19:36.280remember how quickly it went up i mean i donated before i had any idea that i was gonna be hired
00:19:41.840by these guys and find myself in downtown Ottawa and in the various operation centers and war
00:19:47.420rooms. But that raised 10 million. And before it got shut, completely shut down, they moved 1 million
00:19:57.080into a TD bank account that was in the name of Tamara Leach and Chris Barber. One of the first
00:20:03.000things Tamara did when I got to Ottawa was she took her phone, I didn't even ask, she went into
00:20:07.520her online app and went see and i'm looking oh yeah one million okay i see that um uh none of
00:20:13.840that one million ever got spent on anything but give send go or sorry go fund me decided to refund
00:20:21.900everything remember initially they weren't even going to refund it they were going to give it to
00:20:24.700some other like organization like blm or something and then the pressure was so great and there were
00:20:28.680some other things that happened they said okay we'll refund it all so they actually refunded 10
00:20:34.020million and so it cost them a million because that one million that was in the td account td
00:20:41.120immediately froze it so it got frozen on the saturday i arrived on the wednesday so they they
00:20:48.020shut the they announced the end of the that they were gofundme announced they're ending the gofundme
00:20:52.600on the friday td froze the million on the on the saturday and then gofundme refunded all the money
00:20:58.440so anybody who donated to go fund me all got their money back okay wait a minute why did td
00:21:05.060freeze that million dollars this was before the emergencies act right because uh justin trudeau
00:21:13.040and kristen freeland have some friends in the banking industry when they say jump they jump
00:21:19.420as we've seen with the freezing of the bank accounts and everything else so where did the
00:21:24.00010 million go back to every single person who donated it so then we immediately started give
00:21:31.000send go because we knew from the events and i've testified to this and it's been written up on that
00:21:35.360that things were suspicious with how fair um uh gofundme was going to be so we start this give
00:21:43.480send go and it accumulates about 12 because it was in u.s dollars but it converted to about 12.7
00:21:49.160million and and um so um of that 3.4 million went from the us up uh was being held in stripe which
00:22:06.060is a merchant processor you know in between person that is normal when you buy something online it's
00:22:11.960not necessarily visa there's someone in between and it's a stripe or a square the companies are
00:22:16.960called that so it ended up in canada this 3.4 million we got served with a restraint order
00:22:25.060under section 490 of the criminal code from the attorney general of ontario that they obtained
00:22:29.060without notice even though they had my cell phone number my email address they went to court without
00:22:33.180notice and got this and were claiming that this money that um uh 113 000 people donated to there
00:22:41.040was 113 000 donors to give send go uh that that was proceeds of crime that it was terrorist
00:22:48.640activity and all this absolute nonsense so um that restraint order applies in canada it doesn't apply
00:22:57.200in the u.s and that's not in dispute everybody realized that all the lawyers and the courts and
00:23:01.840the police and everybody else so the 3.4 gets frozen at stripe uh in canada through their
00:23:09.820vancouver office and then give send go gives the rest the money back okay so now where's all the
00:23:17.600money shadow yeah but for the 1 million at td and the 3.4 at stripe it's back with the donors so who
00:23:25.580got the most of the money the donors which is awesome that's what the leadership wanted is if
00:23:31.100it wasn't going to get to the truckers to help the truckers and the freedom convoy it needed to go to
00:23:36.320the donors right that was their position okay and they were successful in that but there was also
00:23:42.920an adopt a trucker there was some e-transfer money there was um there was some bitcoin that
00:23:50.160bj dichter was was working on on his own initiative and if you bunch all that together
00:23:55.340it adds up to 5.5 million and it's sitting uh then we got served so the 5.5 million
00:24:03.520we got served with a mariva injunction which is a nuclear type seizure tool in civil law
00:24:10.740we had the section 490 criminal code attorney general um uh uh order the seizure order on that
00:24:19.480and then we had an attorney general civil forfeiture order so the money the 5.5 million
00:24:25.980is sitting inside a safe that of the attorney general and then the name on the safe the money
00:24:33.640safe says attorney general forfeiture order application that's safe with the 5.5 million in
00:24:39.740it because remember all the other money went back to the donors yeah didn't go to you didn't go to
00:24:45.360me didn't go to have a chip not one single cent i've never asked for one single cent of that money
00:24:53.500nor have i received it nor has eva and all these other ridiculous allegations out there
00:24:58.660so the 5.5 is sitting in the safe that the attorney general forfeiture order controls
00:25:04.400that safe is sitting in another safe i love this called the attorney general criminal code section
00:25:11.040490 order uh the restraint order that those two safes are now sitting inside a third safe which
00:25:19.200is the class action lawsuit so the original volunteers that sacrificed to help make the
00:25:25.760convoy happen are being sued for over 400 million dollars and there's this mariva injunction that we
00:25:32.660converted to an escrow so in order to get that 5.5 million out to anybody we first got to get rid of
00:25:40.340the class action lawsuit which is being occurring works being done on that and defending it then
00:25:46.820we've got to convince the court that the criminal proceeds section 490 order was issued improperly
00:25:52.860and get that canceled then we've got to eliminate the civil forfeiture then we will have unlocked
00:25:58.880all three safes the um the original when the convoy started each province divided itself into
00:26:09.420regions and self-elected, as they were on the road, a road captain. So there's Sean Thiessen,
00:26:17.000who's Tyson, who's the Southern British Columbia road captain. There's Miranda Gracer from Lloyd
00:26:22.040Minster, who's the Northern Alberta road captain. There's Chris Barber, who is a road captain.
00:26:27.020There's Dale Enns, who's a road captain. Ryan Mihilowicz, who's a road captain. These were
00:26:34.860the original guys who led the sections of the convoy across the country day and night saw the
00:26:41.280tens of thousands of supportive canadians worked on the ground in ottawa every day in the operations
00:26:47.420center and dealing with all the different issues that's the board of directors of freedom corp
00:26:52.940okay and it's still the board of directors there's some allegation has been taken over by foreigners
00:26:57.720or something uh it's still those original group and they're all being sued for the 400 million
00:27:03.720So the board back in February did a survey of like 10,000 people participated and said, what should we do with the money if we can get it out? Should we get it to cover the truck registered truckers costs and any surplus give to veterans?
00:27:19.700or should we use the money should the money be used to pay for trucker expenses and money for
00:27:28.460legal defenses for the various truckers and supporters who are facing criminal charges
00:27:33.440civil charges and others to help them with their legal defenses and the overwhelming like 88 percent
00:27:39.920of the respondents said uh get it to the truckers don't give it to the veterans unless the legal
00:27:46.600stuff's looked after because these people fought for our rights and we want them not to suffer and
00:27:51.180have to remortgage their house to hire a lawyer. So the monies to summarize has all either been
00:27:57.900refunded to the donors. The money that hasn't been refunded to the donors is in these three
00:28:03.260safes that we're trying to get out. And if it's ever gotten out and isn't scooped by the government
00:28:09.240or the personal injury lawyer in Ottawa, then the goal is to use it to cover registered trucker
00:28:16.300expenses and to help them get legal defenses. This civil lawsuit being launched or spearheaded
00:28:23.340by Paul Champ in Ottawa, this is based upon the complaints of what, a couple of hundred or a
00:28:28.900couple of dozen residents of downtown Ottawa? Well, he initiated on his own and he just needed
00:28:33.520a notional plaintiff. So it's classic kind of personal injury class. Zexy Lee. Zexy Lee. Yeah.
00:28:40.340and and happy goat coffee um it's based on the law of nuisance uh it's one of our older common
00:28:47.100law torts which is a cause of action and it's uh if you unreasonably interfere with someone's use
00:28:52.420and enjoyment of their property uh you can be sued uh we think the case is completely deficient
00:28:57.860for many many reasons like he's created a donor class where he wants to sue potentially bring
00:29:04.340into the lawsuit anybody who donated well there's a ton of problems with that first of all
00:29:08.600how much of the money think about this this is a test class shadow and you're my i'm gonna i oh
00:29:15.120you just put your hand up to answer this question uh shadow after the lesson i just gave how much
00:29:21.100of the money actually got to the trucker sir how much zero yes zero right so none you uh star for
00:29:30.020you um ding uh so um you see what i'm saying so just that fact alone it's based on this fiction
00:29:38.860that didn't uh that didn't this falsehood rather that that didn't exist this paul champ didn't0.90
00:29:45.460show himself to be anything other than a dickhead during the public order emergency
00:29:49.700hearings in ottawa at least that's my opinion let's get back to who you are before this all0.65
00:29:57.900started can you tell us about keith wilson and family and can you tell us what your law practice
00:30:03.740before all of this was like sure and thank god it's gotten back to what largely what it was like
00:30:10.800before so i've um i've done a lot of work representing farmers and ranchers over over my
00:30:17.240career um dealing particularly i'm kind of uh for if you look at the high profile cases i've had
00:30:25.220contaminated water wells cattle being killed public health you know my clients getting sick
00:30:30.580from emissions from heavy oil production and so on i'm kind of been the aaron brockovich of alberta
00:30:36.800without the endowments and good looks i was about to say that yeah beat you um so that's the kind
00:30:44.760of practice i've had so i've been used to you know when i go into a fight i'm representing
00:30:49.540this farm family that doesn't have much against a multinational oil company that would a minimum
00:30:56.460of five lawyers they always wolf pack me that's an expression in litigation when you're in a big
00:31:00.260fight and the party's got lots of money they put wolf packs on them and a wolf pack's always a
00:31:04.300minimum of five i had this one that was high profile it led to a public inquiry actually
00:31:08.260you can look it up on my my website uh wilson law office that's here whatever it's called
00:31:12.380and they had three wolf packs so I had 15 lawyers that I was trying to fight for compensation and
00:31:20.140ultimately got compensation for these families and so on but so that's the kind of work that
00:31:25.280I would do I also worked for industry associations like cattle and chicken and dairy and so on trying
00:31:32.120to get reform to legislation I represented the cattle industry during the BSE crisis and I was
00:31:38.780in the Government Emergency Operations Centre for that. I had a good interaction, a learning
00:31:44.740experience with public health officials when I represented the H1N1 Zutonic transmission case
00:31:51.060that was ground zero for the international outbreak, happened to be in Alberta, and I
00:31:55.140represented the farm family where the transmission had occurred. So I was dealing with all the public
00:31:59.960health officials, again, in our emergency operations centres. So I've sued governments.
00:32:06.100Most lawyers will not sue governments. It's very unusual processes to sue governments. I've
00:32:10.780successfully sued particularly provincial government and municipal governments. So that's
00:32:15.620kind of my background. And it kind of made me maybe better suited than other lawyers for the
00:32:22.200unusual challenges of representing the Freedom Convoy. How long had you been doing this prior
00:32:27.560to the convoy? I'm going to say 30 years, maybe a little bit. Yeah, I'm 28 years at the bar. So I
00:32:32.440would have been 27 years at the bar. And what a lot of people don't realize is the statistics are
00:32:37.900consistent. So, um, five years after I graduated from law school, half the guys and ladies that
00:32:45.640I graduated with quit practicing law. So that's the attrition rate. The stress, the burnout is so
00:32:52.220high that it's five years, half the bar quits. They're out. They're like, they go do something
00:32:57.360else. So you'll see, that's why people say, I'm a recovering lawyer. Right. Um, and then it keeps
00:33:01.520going down so there's not a lot of lawyers when you start to get up to 20 years and 30 years of
00:33:08.440experience we're a small group and I'm a very specialized litigator and I take on very complex
00:33:15.020challenging cases so you're a guy who's been practicing for a lot of time with plenty of
00:33:21.060success you have represented people well and I'm not going to get into your own personal finances
00:33:26.980but let's just say that you're well off and you did not need any money from the Freedom Convoy
00:33:32.660or anybody else during this whole nightmare the last year and a half. You were perfectly happy
00:33:38.140and you didn't need to get involved in any of this for any reason, except for the fact that
00:33:44.040you knew what was going on in this country. Yeah, I mean, it's funny when I go to meetings or
00:33:51.160something years ago and somebody would hear me speak if I do a lot of public speaking and they'd
00:33:55.360say, Oh, they come up to me after, can I get your business card? Cause I want to phone you about a
00:33:59.180case. And I would go, I'd laugh at them and I'd say, my wife hasn't let me have business cards
00:34:04.560for years. And she had, she'd actually checked my coats before I go to a meeting. If I snuck
00:34:09.260some business cards in. Um, so, so my ratio is usually one to 10, one to 20. So for every 10
00:34:16.520to 20 people that phone me, I'll say yes to one of those 10 or one of those 20, depending on the
00:34:23.320flow in other words i didn't do this because i was looking for work you know like no way i had
00:34:28.860to shut down a whole bunch of my files and my clients were so understanding it was just heart
00:34:33.200touching that because they i had clients with serious litigation files and they flat out said
00:34:38.460to me keith what you're doing in ottawa is more important than my case so they all knew they all
00:34:44.720knew what was going on as well yeah i thought i was gonna get fired on a bunch of cases and i was
00:34:48.800quite surprised that that i didn't um so you know and so how i came to be involved in this was
00:34:55.860in the fall of 2021 is we're all living this dystopian nightmare driving by playgrounds with
00:35:04.220like police tape on them and swimming pools emptied and kids can't go to hockeys and all
00:35:12.100these social events we really learned through covid and lockdowns that these social events
00:35:17.340These social markers are so important to our community, our social development, our well-being, our mental well-being, the development of our children.
00:35:25.920And I was just beside myself, as was my wife.
00:35:29.040But the difference is my wife's a retired RN, university degree nurse, and she's looking at the science and the public health stuff.
00:35:38.400And she's going, this doesn't make any sense.
00:38:12.960You were the veteran on the team, I'm assuming.
00:38:16.260That's why you're going to be the one in charge of it.
00:38:18.780You'll be the one who is handing out assignments.
00:38:21.020And how many lawyers were on that team?
00:38:23.000well on the ground we had five but we had a whole network behind like at at times the justice center
00:38:29.580was literally funding 17 lawyers 17 wow right and and and no trucker was asked to pay for that and
00:38:39.960and is not being asked to pay for that that was through their own fundraising initiative
00:38:43.920and there's this thing out there that oh the justice center has five million dollars that
00:38:52.980they got from truckers or something that's pure nonsense it's absolute fabrication the justice
00:38:59.840center has always done fundraising just like the democracy fund just like the canadian civil
00:39:05.040liberties association just like the canadian constitution foundation and so on and they're
00:39:09.100all doing trucker cases they all fund raised on the idea that they would help protect people's
00:39:15.120right of assembly fight covid restrictions and help freedom convoy truckers so um that's some
00:39:22.260some context there and and uh i was on the ground for 19 days um before we get into the ottawa keith
00:39:29.840i want to talk a little bit about brian peckford's uh case sure i believe he he uh he was using the
00:39:35.720was it section six of the charter the freedom uh right to sorry not freedom freedom of movement
00:39:42.760uh clause and we had go ahead we did a number we we we our pleadings were very comprehensive
00:39:50.340and it's a fascinating and it was a team effort you know i've had so much compliments from
00:39:56.640very experienced counsel lawyers and i've said wait a minute that was yeah i had a hand in it
00:40:02.940But there's a lot of other people that deserve credit, lawyers that deserve credit for that.
00:40:07.900But so we pled loss of mobility rights.
00:40:12.700We pled in our charter challenge for the six million Canadians, violation of their right to security of the person, their freedom of religion.
00:40:25.220We pled every aspect of the charter that we could think of.
00:40:30.760We pled the Bill of Rights as well, because there was applicable arguments there. And we even pled, because it was perfectly proper and necessary to do so, we pled the Nuremberg Code.0.60
00:40:43.320so it was a very comprehensive legal challenge and it resulted in the government putting forward
00:40:50.18016 witnesses uh five experts and 11 of the most senior government officials
00:40:57.680responsible for vaccination and covid policies um including those that the prime minister and
00:41:06.500ministers would trot out to their press conferences every day and saying we're keeping canadians safe
00:41:12.700right and so we're depriving you of all your rights and liberties and freedoms and social
00:41:18.920activities and economic activities because we're keeping you safe because all of our experts and
00:41:24.060officials have said this is what we should do and then i'm cross-examining them along with my team
00:41:28.860and i'm saying did you tell that to the prime minister and they're not me not me not me but
00:41:33.080there was some spectacular admissions that came out of that case let me tell you one other thing
00:41:39.000think about this for a minute what covet has done and the government's overreaction to it
00:41:44.620has exposed corruption of institutions it exposed the corruption of of of the public health
00:41:52.680officials the medical profession you know how the the search college of surgeons whatever
00:41:56.800would punish a doctor for speaking out still are but it also and i could keep going through the
00:42:01.620list right the police with all the stuff we've seen and and and and but it exposed the corruption
00:42:07.520of the media. And I can give you one very simple, absolute conclusive piece of evidence.
00:42:15.800We have an anomaly in Canada that one of our founding fathers of our modern constitution
00:42:23.360and charter of rights and freedoms is still alive. Could you imagine if that was the case
00:42:28.580in the United States with all their litigation? He's still alive. His name's the Honorable Brian
00:42:32.960a peckford okay he is signature of this um and he sued i happen to be one of his lawyers in the
00:42:41.640charter challenge the sitting prime minister the son of pierre elliott trudeau who he signed the
00:42:47.860charter with how can that not be news and he did so on behalf of six million canadians who glaringly
00:42:56.980had their charter rights fundamentally violated in a harmful manner how can that not be news
00:43:05.220google it you will not find one single not one canadian news story on it you'll find it on fox
00:43:15.940you'll find it on the new york post you'll find it on the bbc but you won't find it in canada
00:43:22.080when i have done far low profile cases when i was in ottawa in september of 2022 with eva chipiak
00:43:30.940at my side and we were arguing uh the mootness application that the federal government bring to
00:43:36.440knock out the charter challenge for on on on behalf of our client six million canadians
00:43:42.780normally when i come out of a court on even something not nearly as sensational as that
00:43:47.960you're scrummed there's tv cameras there's media and everything else i came out and there wasn't
00:43:55.560a soul and i wasn't surprised about i mean i was and i wasn't but like that shows the corruption
00:44:01.880of the legacy media they did not want to cover this because they were worried they would upset
00:44:09.040their paymaster uh justin trudeau uh using our tax dollars to disseminate misinformation and
00:44:15.980control the media well even though you know it's interesting in the last couple of days twitter
00:44:20.860has been wrapped with a government-funded media label on twitter which i think is hilarious but
00:44:25.540only 69 percent right they've adapted it as of today and elon musk was happy to tell us all that
00:44:32.540news but what about the other media organizations i mean i worked in media for over 35 years keith
00:44:37.760And I have to tell you that I know that CTV and Global and Rogers are not directly government funded entities.
00:44:51.640Now, publications are different publications which are owned by the same company.
00:44:56.460So could an argument be made that Global News and I know that Global News has gone to the Senate begging for more taxpayer dollars?
00:45:05.140I'm not sure if they've received any yet, but I know that Troy Reeb, who is one of the top VPs of Chorus Entertainment, was pleading for more money from the government in the last few months.
00:45:16.640Could it be could an argument be made that these are, in fact, government funded entities based upon the subsidiaries of their companies?
00:45:24.500Well, my research is that there is this Canadian media fund.
00:45:32.500I can't remember whether it's $169 million or $69 million, but it's a substantial amount.
00:45:41.520If I'm going to estimate and guess, I try and be conservative.
00:45:44.180um and uh um so you know what i think this whole debate in the last 48 hours or 36 hours with elon
00:45:52.300musk about the percentage right you know they got upset cbc got upset because it was implying 100
00:45:58.920and they're like well it's not 100 it's less than 70 and it's like well first he put 70 up
00:46:06.20070 percent government and then he said okay fine 69 because i think he was having fun with it you
00:46:10.420know that's what he does if you look he replied to their complaint with a with a poop emoji so we
00:46:15.020know where he stands on all of that do you know what his donation was to uh to go fund me by the
00:46:20.240way elon musk for the freedom cowboy it was 42,069 did he get it all back no 420
00:46:30.980marijuana and then 69 i just leave it at that so i think he was quite happy to change the 70 to 69
00:46:39.420right um but the point that i make is that something's happened to the media
00:46:46.320obviously as my example demonstrates and i think you know what is the magic percentage where they
00:46:54.440feel they have to first look after their self-interest and i i don't you know there's
00:46:59.700been a gutting of these newsrooms i've gone into ctv studio here you know 10 years ago 15 years ago
00:47:05.880And then I went in there about four years ago and I felt like I was going into a morgue, man. Like the place was 80% empty. The energy level was awful. I felt for the people that were left. So I feel for them, but we've had a big disruption in how we get information, obviously.
00:47:25.440Well, it's all been centralized and it all comes out of Toronto and that's it. I mean, even local newscasts to some degree, I think the late night ones in cities like Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina, outside of Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto, the late night local newscasts that look like they're coming from the local station are actually coming from Toronto, which is interesting.
00:47:50.580They just gather what they think is of interest in the local market and they do it all out of Toronto.
00:47:56.800They record them all in a period of about three hours and they ship them all out for their 11 o'clock news.
00:48:03.260That's how they're doing it these days.
00:48:05.760So what happened with the Peckford case?
00:48:07.580And I want you to explain, please, mootness in regards to to what happened with your case and how that's been applied all across the country.
00:48:16.280Because I've been hearing a lot of mootness in the last year or so.
00:48:19.720So in our legal system, we have a concept of mootness. And what that means is, if there's no longer a live issue in dispute between the parties, some event has occurred to take away the grievance or the conflict or the point they're arguing about, then we shouldn't waste judicial resources and legal fees.
00:48:45.560and a court should we should throw that case out on saying it's no longer something we need to rule
00:48:50.920on it's moot um there's a very well established test from the supreme court of canada in the
00:48:57.480burowski case i believe it is i just can't remember the name of the case but i know the test
00:49:01.340and and there's a public interest exception and that's what we argued but the problem here is
00:49:08.140and uh professor party talked about this the other day in his testimony to the national citizens
00:49:13.700uh inquiry is that the order the order that restricted six million canadians from their
00:49:22.560fundamental range of flying and also by the way uh we had one of our applicants because we had
00:49:27.540and then we had uh several other people who were our notional plaintiffs or applicants
00:49:32.560needed to get to england to look after a dying an ill relative and i got uh one of the senior
00:49:42.140officials in Transport Canada in the case to admit under oath that the only way, because this person
00:49:48.960wasn't allowed to fly and they weren't allowed to get on a ship, so I said, the only way that this
00:49:54.960person can get to England to look after this loved one is to swim the Atlantic, right? And she said
00:50:02.280that's correct. So that was the severity of it. That order was not an act of Parliament. Parliament
00:50:09.900made amendments to the Aeronautics Act after the 9-11 terrorist attacks in the U.S. to give
00:50:16.740emergency powers for emergency aviation safety and terrorist type issues to the minister and his
00:50:25.200deputy. Not even the minister, the deputy can do it as well. But they're only allowed to put an
00:50:31.080order in for two weeks. It automatically expires every two weeks. So every two weeks, they would
00:50:35.680reissue the order when we sued we were on order number 52 and by the time we got to court i can't
00:50:41.200remember what number we were on so the problem is that uh they can put this in so quickly without
00:50:48.300going through the parliament without going through debate and public process because they've delegated
00:50:53.020the the order making power to the minister or the deputy and they can suspend it so by the time you
00:51:01.100do all the work to get to court they can say oh it's moot and then the court rules it's moot and
00:51:06.560then they can bring it right back in so they can effectively evade the court and that was one of
00:51:10.240our arguments but i also made an aggressive pitch to the court we had an associate chief justice of
00:51:15.540the federal court that we were before that canadians need to know about the worthiness of
00:51:21.380this institution and their charter and this is a fun this affected six million canadians and
00:51:28.240actually we'd done the math because it was actually higher than that because of the rule on
00:51:35.560what a current vaccine was right and we know that so few people have gotten boosters
00:51:41.060so it was a disappointing journey but it was a necessary journey the evidence that came out
00:51:47.580was spectacular um dr lorenko who is the senior official with health canada who approved the
00:51:53.900vaccine. I effectively got her through cross-examination to admit that it was experimental,
00:52:00.160which is remarkable because anybody who got vaccinated was not told that they were
00:52:07.500participating in an experiment. They were not told that they are now the phase three human trial.
00:52:14.900And that's where the Nuremberg Code comes in, informed consent. So what a journey.
00:52:20.760and where's the media in all this i mean you actually got that doctor to admit that the
00:52:25.800vaccine was experimental i mean in the old days keith that would have been front page news on
00:52:31.920every network every publication everything uh that does news in the entire country and yet crickets
00:52:38.380and better dr waddell who's the head epidemiologist she's four so dr tam another doctor and then one
00:52:45.820more and then her so she's number four in the hierarchy at the public health agency of canada
00:52:49.460and she's the head epidemiologist for Canada and I was looking through all the guidance and all the
00:52:56.720documents and the binders of evidence that they had filed each one of them was a binder
00:53:00.980a thick binder we had to work so hard on that file I can't believe I survived 2022 period but
00:53:07.500with the inquiry coming in the fall but she she I said to her because I couldn't find anywhere in
00:53:16.160their documents that they'd recommended to the prime minister in the cabinet that they restrict
00:53:20.040Canadians right to fly if they're unvaccinated so I put it to her in cross-examination style you0.97
00:53:27.120know with no smile and no glint in my eye and I said you know I put it to you that the truth is
00:53:31.420that the public health agency Canada did not recommend vaccination for air travelers right0.81
00:53:40.220and I was like oh boy what's her answer going to be and she said that's correct and then I waited
00:53:44.960for a minute and gave her the funny look to make her fill the awkward you know create that awkward
00:53:49.420silence right it works with about half half witnesses they'll just keep going and then she
00:53:53.820said because the scientific literature literature indicated it wouldn't be effective it wouldn't be
00:53:59.500an effective mitigation strategy so not only did we we not have officials telling the prime minister
00:54:06.580and the minister of transportation to restrict six million canadians rights to travel
00:54:10.020we had the officials concluding it wouldn't have helped it wouldn't have done anything and I
00:54:16.660remember also saying to all of them because at this point too Canadians don't realize
00:54:20.660in the in like February and stuff all the other countries had opened up they didn't require
00:54:27.300vaccination for air travel they didn't require vaccination Canada was this anomaly because we
00:54:31.380didn't drop it till what June and um so I would say to them I'd say all right um you're aware that
00:54:39.720um uh air travel occurs in other parts of the planet right yeah okay uh is there something
00:54:45.480different about the aircraft that are used in europe and england um and south america from
00:54:51.960the aircraft that are used in canada no all right is there something fundamentally different about
00:54:56.460the human physiology of canadians in our dna from those people in europe yes or no no is there
00:55:04.180something fundamentally different about these strains of covid from there to here no okay so
00:55:10.220in other words this is political right and no coverage no well you see you must have felt wow
00:55:17.620i mean like all of the these huge smoking guns everything you revealed in that testimony and
00:55:23.640you're thinking we got him you must have thought that oh yeah yeah i i thought that um well you
00:55:32.040no, I didn't though, because they'd gone so far, closing playgrounds, you know, making us walk in
00:55:40.580a particular direction in a store, you know? Oh, COVID would get me if I'm sitting, but not if I'm
00:55:50.760drinking something, but as long as I put my mask back, right? It was like every, I think so many
00:55:57.380of us felt we were in a dystopian nightmare because we were and given the ruling or this0.97
00:56:03.440stupid thing from the bc legislature yesterday we're clearly not out of it i mean these doctors0.88
00:56:07.980that you're cross-examining did they have any look of remorse or what did you get any sense of0.99
00:56:15.820vibe from them whatsoever like oh my god he just caught me at a major lie or he just caught he just
00:56:21.840blew this entire thing apart or were they smug a lot of them were smug um and uh some of them
00:56:30.280seem to be like uh the impression i got and appreciate i've cross-examined a lot of people
00:56:37.660a lot of experts a lot of senior officials in my career i got the impression that they weren't
00:56:42.940going to volunteer anything but if i asked them the right question they were going to answer it
00:56:47.160truth i think that was waddell actually uh which is interesting because she's the head epidemiologist
00:56:52.420but others were um it was fascinating one of their their their heart specialist guy
00:56:59.740it was it was it was like a movie if he if you talk if if somehow and it was eva chipiuk that
00:57:09.780i believe crossed him she did a great job uh because we broke the witnesses up because we
00:57:13.760couldn't all do it all ourselves we had to break work as teams and and she'd asked him something
00:57:18.820about a covid death and he was so serious and someone dying from covid then she would ask him
00:57:26.900about a vaccine related death and then he put this eerie smile on yeah but they you know like
00:57:35.220that it was a good death because they did such good through having it was creepy man to answer
00:57:42.620your question these people are all under the auspices of teresa tam am i correct uh no they
00:57:49.020were all split up so we had so you have health canada that deals with the vaccine and its
00:57:54.500approval and monitoring its effects and so on and the trials and the reviews then you have the
00:58:00.420public health agency of canada that's dr tam and that's where the epidemiologists are the all the
00:58:05.940people responsible for testing protocols and then they had the covid cross ministry covid response
00:58:11.340team uh that had multiple different ministries involved at the federal level and then you had
00:58:16.780uh transport canada and then they had different teams depending whether it was rail ship or
00:58:24.740aircraft so we had experts all over the place do you know what theresa tam said the other day
00:58:30.140what she said that uh capitalism drives poor health negative health and what was the other
00:58:37.720think capitalism and white supremacy i saw that supremacy like how is this person even in the
00:58:45.160position that she's in it's amazing the ideologues have taken over it's incredible let's get back to
00:58:50.560the convoy you landed in ottawa on what day how far into the convoy were we by the time you
00:58:56.800arrived the convoy arrived on friday which would have been about i'm not looking at a calendar so
00:59:02.360don't forgive me but it'd be the friday around the 28th 29th of of january of 2022 and then
00:59:10.120the wednesday more uh wednesday early afternoon february 1st is when i got the phone call
00:59:16.600that there'd been it was late afternoon asking me if i would lead this team and go to ottawa
00:59:22.260the next day next morning we flew in because we had to fly across the country in this little
00:59:27.680bumpy king air we didn't actually arrive in ottawa evan i got on the plane at eight in the
00:59:32.600morning in edmonton we didn't arrive till 10 30 at night in ottawa and then immediately went
00:59:37.700downtown what yeah oh yeah yeah we had to stop in medicine hat to pick up uh some people describe
00:59:45.000this as this luxury jet and i'm eating grapes and drinking martinis you know i'm like no you
00:59:50.480were not on this plane man sitting there holding an air sickness bag yeah no i thought we're landing
00:59:55.860again yeah yeah and the alarms are going off you know because you hear everything right
01:00:00.360everybody's panicked are we crashing you get the fumes coming in because it's just the door
01:00:05.580doesn't seal uh yeah so we went to medicine hat then we flew to uh regina or saskatoon we did both
01:00:12.340of those and then we flew to winnipeg because we're picking up more lawyers the accountant
01:00:15.620uh and then we had we were so heavy we had to stop in thunder bay for fuel and then we arrived
01:00:22.620the late at night in ottawa i went immediately downtown uh into the ark hotel which was
01:00:28.800spectacular to have that whole experience and encounter uh the vibe the the tension the fear
01:00:36.800the hope the everything was raw the supply stacked everywhere of every kind felt like a refugee camp
01:00:44.320of sorts in this ark hotel what an interesting name for a hotel when you first arrived in
01:00:49.800downtown Ottawa as you approached it I'm sure you were in anticipation right like what am I going
01:00:54.340to see what am I going to see what was your first impression well my first impression was I was
01:01:00.560thinking how how many blocks are we going to have to walk right before we encounter the outer
01:01:07.340perimeter of this occupation right how many how many blocks or miles is it from downtown is the
01:01:14.960occupation you know and I'm expecting something like from the walking dead with some big
01:01:19.800jerry rig gate that they open up and i have to say a password or something
01:01:23.960and that's not what happened the the the vehicle drove right downtown and right up
01:01:32.540to the entrance of the arc hotel just like you would right this second because tom razzo and
01:01:41.780tamara leach and chris barber and danny bulford were hyper focused along with the other road
01:01:47.000captains and then the block captains for keeping emergency lanes open at all times and except where
01:01:53.080the police blocked things like wellington street which is still blocked today with the cement cinder
01:01:59.320things exactly so so that was my first like wow and just seeing the the number of trucks and
01:02:06.520vehicles and signs and signs and signs and canadians and flag canadian flags quebec flags and
01:02:14.980people shouting liberty and freedom and i was just like wow didn't hear a lot of horns because
01:02:22.260they'd already put in the quiet time at that point from 8 p.m to 8 a.m uh so that was my first
01:02:27.800experience and so my first shock was i didn't experience what i thought i was going to experience
01:02:35.160given the nonsense and the misinformation being pumped out by the legacy media who was the first
01:02:42.540one you met was it tamara tamara chris barber miranda all at once yeah all of them and that's
01:02:49.880the first time i've ever met them in my life and likewise and we had to get to know one another
01:02:55.340really fast because uh one of the other groups had gone ahead and organized a legacy media0.66
01:03:02.840wide open press conference for the next day and we're going to give tamara 15 or 20 minutes of
01:03:09.340media training and do an open q a session and they hadn't defined the scope or the purpose of
01:03:14.860the press conference and she told me she i just like what's going on she said i feel like they're
01:03:20.120setting me up to fail i feel like i'm being thrown to the wolves and that i really felt the convoy
01:03:25.400was at a tipping point there was so much tension there was so much controversy already swirling
01:03:30.000around the money and so my mission became narrowing the scope of the press conference
01:03:36.400to ensure that it was successful and built confidence
01:03:40.660that the convoy was a credible group, a trustworthy group,
01:03:44.580a serious group of Canadians that were going to be law-abiding
01:03:47.620and peaceful and respectful to the extent you can
01:03:52.660when you're holding the most historic protest
01:03:57.060That's why I asked Danny Bulford if he would speak,
01:03:59.560the former RCMP officer, about all the public safety components.
01:04:02.320I had Tamara and others, and I helped her with a statement about why they were in Ottawa, what they were fighting for, what they were doing with the money, all the safeguards that had been put in for the money, for the donations, and how the money was going to be allocated.
01:04:19.960You know, little did we know a couple days later, it would all be frozen and then seized.
01:04:22.740So that was my, and I didn't want to do that press conference.
01:04:27.160My team urged me because I was the one with, of everybody in that room, you know, I've
01:04:52.740It was, um, one of the other things I've done is I've represented not-for-profit boards and there's always infighting, just like you're seeing, you know, a number of people who are on the board are no longer on the board.
01:05:03.460They were removed from the board and now they're throwing mud from the sidelines, right?
01:05:08.020What's different is social media and it's such high profile.
01:05:10.540I mean, that happens on anybody who's been on a condo board or a not-for-profit or any kind of volunteer board or political association, whatever, even a hockey, the midget hockey team or Bantamaze, right?
01:05:21.520there's infighting always yeah and so that's just normal um so but the other thing was these are
01:05:28.900independent truckers and i've represented a lot of groups in alberta who were ranchers and i
01:05:35.760immediately noticed the similarity of personality between the independent rancher and the independent
01:05:40.060trucker and it's like you can't tell them to do much you got to let them do their thing but maybe
01:05:44.660help them see things they wouldn't see otherwise right and then there was also these groups and
01:05:48.840I've testified to this, and Tamara's testified to it, and Mirazo's testified to it, and Eva's
01:05:53.340talked about it, that were coming in, some with great intentions, trying to help others with not
01:05:57.960so much, and trying to sort of take it over. So there was really a protective type role of
01:06:04.900trying to filter and let Tamara and Chris Barber and Bridget and others deal with the issues
01:06:13.200while eva and i were trying to guard off these side attacks and keep things on the up and up
01:06:19.120and manage issues so but at the end of the day this this really was you know who the leaders of
01:06:24.320this this thing were the leaders were i'll tell you i know exactly who they were it was the tens
01:06:31.620of thousands of canadians who lined the highways it was 113 000 people who donated to give send go
01:06:42.140it was every trucker who went to ottawa for however long because some had to leave they
01:06:48.300couldn't stay long and they got subbed off it was every protester who went in a four-wheeler
01:06:54.040who came down on the weekend it that's who the leaders of this were that's why it was so scary
01:07:00.260to the government it was canadians yeah and that's something i think that a lot of canadians
01:07:08.900as as you point out earlier and all through the show actually there's you know people who are
01:07:13.940sniping from the sidelines uh regarding where's the money and and why did tamara have to be the
01:07:19.320one who was speaking what about pat king and so i'll ask you right now what was the involvement
01:07:24.160with pat king if any in your experience well of a all the people in ottawa but for a couple like
01:07:32.740none the only guy i actually had any interaction with before ottawa was pat king ironically
01:07:37.880and it was uh the year earlier where he was all over social media claiming that he had single-handedly
01:07:44.940defeated all covid laws right and it was a decision out of red deer and i was like i don't
01:07:49.700think so so i researched the decision and then he went after sheila gun reed at rebel and so i
01:07:56.900jumped in with legal credentials and said look pat sorry i mean we appreciate your efforts but
01:08:01.880you're that's not what the court ruled you haven't single-handedly struck down so i already had known
01:08:07.020of him as as being a loud voice uh someone with strong views maybe overstates things at times
01:08:15.020and um but he had made a number of comments that had caused tamara and others to have concerns
01:08:20.760in route to the convoy she's testified to this as have others so they tried to distance themselves
01:08:26.440he did come into one of the op centers when i was in there and i said he's got to go
01:08:30.600we just didn't we just couldn't manage that additional distraction he was um but such a
01:08:38.020popular figure was there any way that you could think of to maybe integrate him in into the
01:08:42.840situation into the leadership group because what's happened is a polarization within the people
01:08:49.880right i mean they were a lot of them were following pat and a lot of them still believe in pat i like
01:08:54.900pat i know he's launched a lot of hyperbole in the last couple of years a lot of incorrect
01:09:00.260direct accusations. I know he's tried different things with the media that haven't exactly played
01:09:05.240out well. But, you know, even after all of that, here's a guy who did so much time in jail. And,
01:09:12.160you know, he's still under such strict conditions as are Tamara and Chris, that wasn't there any
01:09:20.300way that you could think of in that moment to maybe bring him in without actually having him
01:09:25.880as part of the leadership just to appease
01:09:28.580the thousands of Canadians who supported him?
01:09:31.640The answer to that is a hard and definitive no.
01:15:18.060But I put my phone logs in, and you can see each night
01:15:20.880after we got back to the hotel, because we were at a remote location
01:15:24.460because we couldn't get a hotel initially right downtown, the legal team,
01:15:28.140I debrief with them, send them off to bed,
01:15:31.340and then I go out to the parking lot and have a cigarette,
01:15:34.100and I'd get Peckford on the phone because I had a three-hour time delta.
01:15:37.440And I would update him on events, and I'd seek his counsel.
01:15:40.360Like, what a blessing for me to have access to him.
01:15:43.500like here's what's happened today here's what i'm worried about here's what i'm thinking are
01:15:48.200some options what do you think mr premier right so that was happening routinely and and i'm so
01:15:54.520thankful um and so long story short um we had the blocks starting to thin out and if you've ever
01:16:04.940seen in a military thing like even ukraine right now when the trenches get too thin
01:16:09.860the enemy just sweeps them out right so marazo was really concerned about how thin these blocks
01:16:15.180were getting and also how thin wellington was and the major beef was with the federal government
01:16:20.240for the federal mandates so we wanted to get vehicles up to wellington um and one thing led
01:16:26.660to another we're also a lot of the people at coventry in other words they all felt we were
01:16:31.600in this stalemate and the morale was dropping tensions were increasing people were feeling
01:16:36.780the need to get home so we needed to do something to mix it up we need to do something to reset the
01:16:41.480narrative and throw the legacy media off and really put the pressure on the prime minister
01:16:45.500especially because the borders had reopened so that's where this deal with the mayor between
01:16:50.100the trucker leadership and tamara went out and met with truckers chris barber was constantly out we
01:16:56.000printed off 850 flyers to explain the deal to everybody to get buy-in from because no one
01:17:03.080controlled them right in the same way no one controlled pat king right uh so remarkably uh
01:17:10.060we had the mayor did a letter tamara did a letter that was uh on the saturday the the 12th there was
01:17:17.740a logistics meeting at city hall with the superintendent drummond from the ottawa city
01:17:22.000police uh uh head of emergency another guy head of emergency services steve k city manager a whole
01:17:28.640bunch of the truckers have a chipiak um and um it's funny like the the trolls will focus on a
01:17:37.540tweet of mine where i say we did a divide and conquer what that meant was i stayed at the
01:17:42.740operations center with tamara and some others in case there was a flare up on some of the blocks
01:17:48.480and we could go talk to them about the deal well eva went over with chris barber and others to the
01:17:53.680meeting at city hall it's a simple expression of saying let's redeploy our own resources so we can
01:17:59.760conquer the problem right and they've painted this oh here's proof of a conspiracy so anyhow
01:18:05.240uh what we had was on the sunday evening we had a plan ready to move trucks and then bj dicter went
01:18:12.560into tamara's twitter account and sent out a tweet from tamara at night saying there is no deal and
01:18:19.320that's what the prime minister relied upon in his testimony as did freeland and others as to why they
01:18:25.100invoked the emergencies act was because of mr dicter's tweeting from tamara's account without
01:18:31.800her permission without her blessing and against her wishes because she did fully support the deal
01:18:36.360and we issued a correction so here we are on the monday morning and we're getting chris's out there
01:18:42.680eva's out on the ground there's lots of video footage of this the trucks are moving under police
01:18:47.220escort up to wellington street tom wants to reinforce wellington how are we going to do that
01:18:53.540and we actually got police escorts to do it pretty good guys um and uh in the meantime i'm in a
01:19:02.400meeting with tamara and others at the operations center we're working on a letter from the board
01:19:07.660to the prime minister and all the provincial premiers laying out what the ass are about
01:19:12.100end mandates, reinstate people working at airports, reinstate prison guards and everybody else you've
01:19:18.660fired, stop forcing army guys to get vaccinated. We have a meeting scheduled with Premier Peckford
01:19:26.180over at the Lord Elgin Hotel. This is now Valentine's Day, Monday the 14th. En route, Tamara and I with
01:19:31.840her husband, we get news that the Prime Minister has invoked the Emergencies Act. We go into the
01:19:36.840up to the top floor into one of the boardrooms where ironically 40 years earlier premier peckford
01:19:45.780had negotiated the charter with justin trudeau's father like the the convergence of history in that
01:19:52.860moment and i went into the room uh skipped the hellos or if they were very curse and i i still
01:20:00.640call him mr premier from my years of working advising premiers it's just a habit and i think
01:20:05.840he's earned it. I said, Mr. Premier, I've got terrible news. The Prime Minister's just invoked
01:20:11.120the Emergencies Act. And he paused and he kind of had his hands together at the head of the table
01:20:16.780and he said, dear Lord. He understood the gravity of the moment that this was the government,
01:20:25.580as I've said before, writing a blank check over Canadians' rights, allowing them to freeze bank
01:20:30.780accounts and credit cards and causing companies to miss payroll and moms and dads to not be able
01:20:37.340to get medicines for their kids and the embarrassment of a mom or a dad and the grocery
01:20:42.480store lineup and the bags all ready to go and they can't get any cards to work and having to
01:20:46.580leave without the food or inflicting beatings upon Canadians who were only standing and so
01:20:52.280you know um if we would have if if we and we were ready to go again on the Tuesday
01:20:58.720despite the invocation and move more vehicles and again on the Wednesday we kept getting stopped by
01:21:03.820the police because as we saw from the inquiry unbeknownst to us there was the two groups there
01:21:08.740was the group within the police forces that wanted to find a Canadian peaceful way to resolve
01:21:13.400the protest and there was the other ones the jackboots the guys that wanted to go full goon
01:21:18.300and you know the the authoritarian lefties the fascists that wanted to beat up Canadians for
01:21:24.540standing up for their charter rights um so there was that internal strife going on and then finally
01:21:32.120on the wednesday i received the call from steve kay and i could just tell by his voice and he
01:21:38.700even testified that he was solemn about it and he was saddened and he said to me keith we really
01:21:45.800gave it a good try this is the city manager but it's not going to happen between the new police
01:21:50.680chief and the federal government they don't want the deal to go through so that was another reason
01:21:56.820why the board and the road captains and the freedom convoy leadership asked me to testify
01:22:01.560because that was critical evidence and i was the only one other than steve k on that call
01:22:07.100and if he didn't tell the truth then that truth would have never come out at the inquiry
01:22:11.440so that's just some detail about some of the adventure so the government and the police did
01:22:16.980not want the deal to go through because they wanted to crack heads i think some of them but
01:22:22.700more importantly i think the prime minister and katie telford figured out our move which was
01:22:28.360think about this if the residents are no longer complaining about the trucks downtown
01:22:33.420and the images are now of traffic free flowing and everything's back to normal but wellington
01:22:40.580is completely full of trucks and signs and we'd negotiated to infill wellington way past the
01:22:47.480supreme court and down the sir john a mcdonald we would have had a ton of trucks in there and we had
01:22:53.940set up a shuttle system at arm prior and eight the remote camps where it shuttle buses coming in
01:22:59.180which was perfect because then you could some of the truckers could go out and maybe go home for
01:23:04.460five days and then come back stay at arm prior go on the shuttle and come down and keep the protest
01:23:09.900going so it would have hyper focused the pressure on the prime minister and the federal government
01:23:14.860and it would have taken the pressure off it would have shown us as good brokers honest brokers um
01:23:20.520and it and that's why i have this one tweet or text message that bj puts out where i say or maybe
01:23:26.900it was an email it was put in evidence where i said that i think i might have said the prime0.91
01:23:31.300minister is going to lose his shit because they're going to see what we're doing it's going to reset0.98
01:23:37.200the narrative take away their narrative and put even more pressure on them well the way to stop0.99
01:23:42.240that from us executing that was to stop the deal and then to send in the goods do you think that
01:23:47.580veterans and moms and dads and and then they did the rendition right where they took them
01:23:54.820at scale to outside the city dump them off at minus 25 with dead cell phones or no cell phones0.99
01:24:03.980and no amenities and thank goodness to the bikers church for going around and scooping them all up
01:24:09.940and giving them safety were you there did you see all that go down were you right in the middle
01:24:16.460we set up but on the wednesday uh on the um on the wednesday night all the we were getting so
01:24:24.840much intelligence right because you've got to remember a third of a third of the rcmp a third
01:24:30.200of the OPP a third of all the municipal police forces a third of CSIS a third of the army were
01:24:35.820all against this they were on our side right so the amount of information flow we had coming I
01:24:41.380even had a couple times I had the police liaison contact me to find out what the police were doing
01:24:47.960because their comms were so bad they knew we knew more about their plans than they did it was
01:24:53.380remarkable so on the Wednesday night we held the final press conference Tamara read a statement to
01:24:59.080canadians and she told eva and i to go to a new undisclosed location because we needed to set up
01:25:05.880we'd already set up a system for a 1-800 number and a whole roster of volunteer criminal lawyers
01:25:11.420so that when the protesters started getting arrested they would have someone to call and
01:25:16.080they were supposed to write this number on their arm with a sharpie uh or the back of their hand
01:25:21.260with a sharpie um you know these were sophisticated logistics people man like the things they thought
01:25:27.340of was just amazing so anyhow um so we moved to this new location and we were it was the the
01:25:35.700le germain hotel the one that's on the other side of the west end so we were up on like we were up
01:25:42.080high enough that we could see and we actually saw the back side of all the mobilization so we saw
01:25:47.320the police fans coming in we saw the horses coming in we saw the buses we saw the swat teams we saw
01:25:53.900everything and then we were monitoring the arrests we were monitoring the movement of the board we
01:26:01.120were dealing with the media we were dealing with the bail applications we were dealing with the
01:26:07.780attorney general forfeiture seizure orders we were dealing with the banks we were dealing i look back
01:26:13.800at my email inbox and i'm just like wow it just it was incredible so we worked to try and secure
01:26:22.460the release of both uh chris barber and tamara there's this thing out there from the trolls
01:26:28.760these guys hanging out in their mom's basements about tamara asking to be arrested she testified
01:26:34.460to this the it was clear they were going to come and arrest her they just arrested barber
01:26:39.900and they'd signaled they were going to arrest her so if you know they're coming for you imagine the
01:26:45.300police are going to come for you shadow and they know and you got two places you can go
01:26:50.140one is you can gather all your loved ones and friends around or you can go out on the street
01:26:57.580and you know leave your phone behind and realize you're going to be arrested so you may as well go
01:27:03.100out and be with your people and protect your group so that's what she did on her own initiative
01:27:08.760nobody advised her to do that so they went out knowing that they were probably going to get
01:27:14.500arrested and sure enough at first the police said no we don't have you and then something switched
01:27:19.500And as she testified, four police SUVs go blasting by at rapid speed towards the last location she was.
01:27:27.960And she said, well, and then one stops and then they get out and and she's with some of the other road captains and they try to get the police to arrest them instead of her.
01:32:47.040But what I think about, you know, and I've thought about this much more in the past year from the World War Two years is all of the people who stood by silently and did nothing.
01:32:56.780I mean, you've got the clipboard carriers. Absolutely. You've got the jackboots. Absolutely. You've got the resistance, certainly.
01:33:02.740But, you know, I think the majority of the people, Keith, were the ones who just stood by and did nothing.
01:33:10.140And I think we've seen the same thing here in the past couple of years.
01:33:15.180And my question has been to many people who've been on this show and to myself almost every day, is how do we activate these people? Because once we do, game over, we win.
01:33:27.980Well, I think we're there, despite the vote in the BC legislature. One of the most telling statistics that we were analyzing during my work on Peckford, we had one law student who was amazing, and he'd study the most current statistics on vaccination rates and demographics.
01:35:03.080um and so that caused me to go wait a minute i'm not alone right and you and others that was the
01:35:13.500power of it and and and that's why um so anyway i i thought that that's that was the power of it
01:35:21.920that it it may it gave so many people hope whenever i hear people come up to tamara when
01:35:27.220we're at an event or even when they come up to me they always always always in addition to thanking
01:35:33.720me for whatever sacrifice i've done and tamara in particular and eva and marazo and so many of the
01:35:40.500others and i'm sure those that i'm not around get the same but they always say the same thing you
01:35:45.680gave us hope you gave us hope yeah and and and we got to keep doing that what's your take on
01:35:52.760justice rulo's ruling and i i don't want to get into too much because i've taken up a lot of your
01:35:57.480time already tonight and i really appreciate it as the viewers do uh thank you keith for for doing
01:36:01.960this tonight uh we watched the public order emergency commission we saw what happened we
01:36:08.440saw the testimony you've referenced it some of it some of it anyway tonight yourself when the ruling
01:36:15.160came out were you mind boggled by it no uh i was still you know tamir described it well
01:36:22.720wasn't surprised but was surprised in the sense that we had a small sliver of hope0.96
01:36:27.640so let me just encapsulate this because i want to knock out one of the troll mud balls at the same0.79
01:36:34.300time uh is that when um while we were in ottawa eva and i before the we first heard uh rumors the0.72
01:36:49.480emergencies act might become invoked it was invoked on monday february 14th the valentine's
01:36:54.420day the earlier wednesday we had heard rumors that it was so and amongst everything else i had
01:37:02.180to deal with, I read the Emergencies Act, brought it up on my phone or my laptop. I always had my
01:37:06.940laptop with me. If you see me on the street, I always had my portable command center over my
01:37:11.440shoulder, right? Portable command all times, comms all times. And I saw that if it's invoked,
01:37:19.600within one year, there has to be a public inquiry. And I said to Eva, if this thing gets invoked,
01:37:26.120uh we're gonna be back here in ottawa and sure enough we were but as the summer came and we're
01:37:32.380starting to prepare and we're getting notices and the public notices come out about the deadline
01:37:38.300for anybody who wants to apply for standing the public notices about that all over the
01:37:44.340commission's website because some people didn't apply for standing and somehow that's my fault
01:37:49.660um even though they weren't my clients but whatever um uh i was like holy smokes uh
01:37:56.960a government official leaked to me from the opposition that minister mendocino had put
01:38:03.040together a team of 25 senior staffers to do seconded them to do nothing but prepare for
01:38:08.500the inquiry this was in july okay and the inquiry starting in october so and then blair had done the
01:38:17.740same thing. PMO had done the same thing. Privy Council, Christian Phelan. And I'm like, holy
01:38:23.180smokes. When we had our first call where Justice Rouleau convened a call of all lawyers, there was
01:38:32.66072 lawyers. What's one of the most significant parties? According to even Justice Rouleau for
01:38:39.280the Inquirer was the Freedom Convoy. So there's Eva and I against all these lawyers. Is that what
01:38:45.520canadians want freedom fighters they wanted us to go in with minimal legal forces completely
01:38:51.680overwhelmed no so i'm like holy smokes we need a team of six to even have a hope of being effective
01:38:58.240exposing the truth of fending off the attacks because we're so outnumbered here it's insane
01:39:04.100odds right so well where are we going to get money because i was being paid for by the justice
01:39:10.940center at a significantly reduced rate as eva was staff lawyer for them so we're covered so we don't
01:39:17.820need any funding we're good so it was like okay let's go and see if we can get some money out of
01:39:24.020the donation fund the 5.5 million sitting in escrow and we applied for it um through a public
01:39:32.280court process that was reported on in the media and the judge said you know what um you might have
01:39:39.300access to intervener funding through the government go explore that option and if you don't get
01:39:46.500funding there come back and maybe i'll make some money available from the escrow so that the freedom
01:39:51.540convoy truckers can have expand their legal team and so i went to work and we filed an intervener
01:39:59.740funding application well why didn't we do it initially well i bet you i'm probably about the
01:40:05.180only listener right now that has ever on this program that has ever filed an intervener funding
01:40:10.560application you want to do it only if you have no other choice because it's just like this thing
01:40:16.740with the media if suddenly i'm your lawyer and you find out the government's paying me how do you
01:40:23.580feel right off the bat it gives them a degree of control over you so i said to the freedom convoy
01:40:29.060leaders and board i said we need to avoid intervener funding at all costs i mean if we
01:40:33.460have to that's all we got that's what we do but it gives them a degree of control over you and you
01:40:37.560don't want that and they said absolutely let's try and get some money out of the escrow fund
01:40:42.140this will be supported by people because they want us to fight hard to to for our for the legacy of
01:40:48.540the protest so i was able to get some intervener funding and the justice center came forward even
01:40:54.480though they were so tapped out because they were defending 52 truckers on charges 20 some on
01:41:01.020criminal charges funding chris barber's criminal defense defending many of the defendants in the
01:41:06.880400 million dollar class action did the judicial review for the emergencies act proclamation in
01:41:12.100federal court the lung transplant the teachers the prison guards the teachers the preacher like
01:41:18.300they were lawyers everywhere burning through money like crazy how much money would you say
01:41:23.740the justice center has has put out for this because the truckers for everything like everything you
01:41:29.940had just listed all of that stuff because they've been involved i don't know their their their
01:41:34.000disclosure because i'm i'm contract i have no involvement with them anymore and i've never
01:41:37.820like as a lawyer i would guess they probably spent on fighting for these freedoms and fighting
01:41:43.660against covid somewhere between five and eight million dollars would be my ballpark and people
01:41:49.200don't seem to understand that nothing is free in this world and not only that everybody works at
01:41:54.840significantly reduced rates i was working at rates that i was getting paid when i was a
01:42:00.460articling student 28 years ago man and not the government side though with the 72 no no no they
01:42:07.420had 1200 an hour lawyers on their team um do we know i'm sorry to interrupt your story there but
01:42:13.260do we do we know whatever happened to that lawyer that government lawyer who just passed out one day
01:42:17.920at the at the yeah well he we know he was fully vaccinated and boosted because it was all over
01:42:22.460his twitter um he did come back he was off for a week and i was in the room then it happened
01:42:29.420i've seen people faint before i've had lawyers and witnesses faint in court this guy made a sound
01:42:35.520that i'd never heard before which is a very similar sound if you look at all the fainting
01:42:39.640and sudden death videos it was that same sound oh guess who the first person was to rush to his aid
01:42:46.920when they took the cameras away it was a freedom convoy participant a fired a terminated emergency
01:42:56.640room nurse and guess why she was terminated because she was unvaccinated she was the one
01:43:02.000who rendered immediate cpr there's memes flying around about firefighters putting out fires
01:43:09.140saving people's lives and the caption on them was do you care now whether i'm vaccinated or not
01:43:15.100Yeah. No kidding. Right. Yeah. And, and, and everybody cleared out so she could do her work. Right. Um, but so, so that's why we applied for the horn on 50,000. It wasn't for me. It wasn't forever. And some people have tried to create a controversy about it. It's still in the escrow. I found a workaround. So now we're preparing for, we're preparing for the hearing and we're starting to get bombarded with tens of thousands of documents.
01:43:43.820Oh, and I had to find skilled barristers that would be willing to take on this case on short notice and shut down their practice for two months and go to Ottawa for seven weeks.
01:43:56.320Going to Ottawa for seven weeks is pretty much a sentence like that.
01:51:36.440And I think that's why Justice Rouleau was prepared to sacrifice his reputation to try
01:51:43.620and protect the Liberals and the Laurentian elite.
01:51:47.300And absolutely no look of shame from either one of them, which is astounding to me.1.00
01:51:52.400I mean, you know, if I had given my life to a thing and then I was forced to renounce it just to support some idiot prime minister.1.00
01:51:59.760And let's be honest, he's an idiot.1.00
01:52:02.380I would fight against it all I could for as long as I could.1.00
01:52:06.800And if I was forced to do it, I would definitely let the people know that I wasn't in favor of doing it just by my facial expression alone.
01:52:18.700I just don't understand how they can.0.88
01:52:21.580And, you know, this doesn't just go for the Rouleaus and the Johnstons of the world.
01:52:25.800This goes for all of the judges who have made these ridiculous rulings with the imposing of the judicial notice.0.50
01:52:31.380This goes for all the doctors who have turned their heads.0.77
01:52:33.840This goes for all of the medical professionals who have turned their heads.
01:52:36.420All of the politicians who have completely let down the people they purport to serve.
01:52:41.820Anybody who has been involved in any of this for the last three years and knowingly involved should be hanging their heads right from the people.
01:52:51.580You know, we had this, I spoke about this on the show last night, Keith, a woman called Dr. Joss Reimer.
01:52:57.480She was the medical lead of the Manitoba Vaccine Implementation Task Force, right?
01:53:04.660And she actually came out when the vaccine rolled out.
01:53:08.260She came out and she said, look it, you know what?
01:53:09.920I mean, you go ahead and get two of these shots, whether it's Moderna or AstraZeneca or Pfizer, it doesn't matter.
01:53:15.840Just get two of them and you're going to be good to go.
01:53:19.240But how could an actual scientifically medically trained person come out and say that to the people, knowing that she has no clue what this might do to them?
01:53:31.380And I'm not even talking just about the vaccine here.
01:53:33.940I am talking about the mixture of two completely or three completely different formulas.
02:01:19.100I mean, that's why I think the Freedom Convoy was such a success.
02:01:23.720And that's why I was clear in my answer as to who the leaders were. The leaders were every Canadian that came to the side of the highway, every Canadian that drove a truck, every Canadian that drove a pickup truck in an SUV, every Canadian of those hundred thousand that donated.
02:01:42.620those are the heroes and and the leaders because we realized we need to add our action action to
02:01:50.780our our our presence and not just sit back and wallow in misery and lament this dystopian phase
02:01:58.580we've been in keith this has been an absolute pleasure man thank you for coming on the show
02:02:03.780it's a little longer than normal tonight but well worth it uh sorry i took so much of your time
02:02:09.620tonight. No, it's my pleasure. It's been fantastic. Thank you for coming on, and I certainly hope we
02:02:14.180can do this again very soon. Thanks for having me, and I've really enjoyed it. Okay, that is Keith
02:02:19.640Wilson, you guys. Keith Wilson, lawyer extraordinaire, who has done so much, and this is something I
02:02:26.120want to point out to all of you. Some trolls that Keith was noticing in the comments. Usually when
02:02:33.440I have a guest on the show, you guys, I don't pay attention to the comments simply because they're
02:02:38.600just a distraction to me and i'd rather have a conversation um with the guest who is on the show
02:02:44.960not only did keith receive no money from any agency except for the justice center for
02:02:53.900constitutional freedoms that as he pointed out his reduced rate in the last few months
02:03:29.480And I certainly hope that you understand that Keith Wilson is sincere in his demeanor and sincere in his desire to want to make this country a better place.
02:03:43.220there's no other reason to explain why a man who has practiced law
02:03:50.080and in some cases on behalf of millionaires and yes billionaires over the past 30 years
02:03:56.800and has made his fair share as a result of that would get involved in this even a little bit
02:04:03.940he would be rooting on from the sidelines like so many others
02:04:08.100but he got right into the middle of it
02:04:13.220Because he wanted to do something, a little bit, to help.
02:04:32.400who's going through an awful situation in Ontario right now,
02:04:38.680through the Ontario College of Nurses,
02:04:41.700for misconduct is joining the show tomorrow night so i certainly hope that you'll come back for that
02:04:49.060don't forget to like and share you guys it's important that we get this show out to as many
02:04:53.820people as we possibly can people need to hear this people this is how we're going to like keith
02:05:00.840says you know and maybe i've been wrong this whole time i actually love hearing other people's
02:05:04.880opinions regarding how many canadians are actually on our side you know it you don't think of the
02:05:11.680things sometimes is you're continuing on with the narrative because certain things just don't get
02:05:17.760noticed you notice them when you're in the moment but then after that it just kind of gets washed
02:05:21.440away to the side like history is want to do but he's right how many thousands of canadians showed
02:05:27.760up in the different stops for the truckers along the way last year i mean i was here in winnipeg
02:05:32.080i only got that one stop right and i saw the trucks come rolling through and it was minus 35
02:05:39.040here that day it was freaking cold and there were hundreds if not thousands i didn't count the people
02:05:45.840who were at the the truck stop there the flying jay just west of the city but i know there was
02:05:51.380so many people that they had to redirect the trucks that's where some of them were going to
02:05:55.340stop to get fuel they the rcmp had to redirect the trucks to different locations because they
02:06:00.300couldn't get in to the parking lot to get their truck set up to refuel and the screaming and the
02:06:07.400emotion and screaming in a good way not but whoa the emotion that was happening that day
02:06:14.820and you know what it's like i think most of you outside of british columbia what it's like to
02:06:20.780stand in minus 25 minus 30 minus 35 for hours on end yeah you could go to the car and warm up every
02:06:28.160now and again but ultimately you want to be there when the trucks arrive to wave and show the flag
02:06:32.620and show the support and that's what we did and there were thousands of us as that convoy picked
02:06:37.420up steam and started heading towards ottawa from the west at least i can't speak to the convoys
02:06:42.600that were coming from atlantic canada or quebec or from inside of ontario but i'm sure it was the
02:06:48.260same for them so maybe there are more of us than we think but what our job is is to get them to
02:06:57.060speak up and stand up because that's the only way we're ever going to be able to end all of this
02:07:02.620And when you see something, when you see something that appears to be wrong, like a drag queen story time or something of that ilk that's been happening with greater frequency lately, stand up and say something and call these people what they are.0.99
02:07:23.600Alert people to what's going on with the United Nations.
02:07:26.900I told you everything about that last night.
02:07:29.100If you didn't watch last night's show, guys, go back and watch.
02:07:32.720It's so much valuable information, and that's what we have to pass on to these people.
02:07:37.460They can hear the information from me.
02:07:39.900They can read it for themselves, and then later they can decide for themselves what's really going on and what they can do about it.
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