The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Tues Jan. 31st⧸2023

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00:02:30.000 Mount Uniacky, Nova Scotia.

00:02:32.440 Hello, Joan.

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00:02:34.800 Hello, everybody, and welcome, my friends, to Shadow at Night.

00:02:37.240 This is the final day of January, thank God, even though it's not getting much warmer in

00:02:41.380 the forecast, at least for this part of the country.

00:02:43.660 It's the Shadow at Night livestream, Tuesday, January 31st, 2023.

00:02:48.520 I know there's a lot of people who are interested in hearing how my court case went today, my

00:02:52.880 court hearing, so I'll get to that in just a second.

00:02:55.100 Special guest tonight, Christine Ronsere from the southern Manitoba area, who has been working with a group of concerned citizens, concerned parents regarding getting pornographic books out of publicly funded libraries.

00:03:09.480 This has been an ongoing battle for the last six months at least, so Christine is going to capsulize everything they've been through in that time and what's yet to come and possibly how you can take part in your area or you can start a movement to get rid of these kinds of books in public libraries and schools in your area a little bit later on tonight.

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00:06:11.600 what happened. And by the way, guys, just so you're aware, I'm going to keep you a little

00:06:17.080 bit longer than I usually do tonight, depending on my conversation with Christine. And I think

00:06:22.120 it's going to be a little bit longer than normal. It's going to be a little bit more involved

00:06:26.240 than you're used to because she's got some details she wants to get out. And I absolutely

00:06:31.080 do as well. So I'm going to hang on to you guys a little bit longer tonight. If you're watching

00:06:36.820 from the east coast or even uh just ontario an hour later it might be a late night for you i

00:06:42.380 don't mind if you want to retire early you can watch the rest on a replay tomorrow what happened

00:06:47.500 in court this morning okay so i got there at nine o'clock as requested by the email and apparently

00:06:54.440 court proceedings don't start until nine or sorry ten so uh the prosecutor the crown the young lady

00:07:01.500 representing the crown is an articling student who is uh getting her on the job training through

00:07:07.600 manitoba government prosecutions i believe but she's right in the thick of things right probably

00:07:14.660 one of the top law students in her class she had to be so uh she invited me into the courtroom i

00:07:21.320 was out in the waiting room there was nobody there i went into the courtroom we discussed the case

00:07:26.120 she asked me if i wanted to make a deal i said absolutely not i'm going to argue this thing

00:07:30.520 i knew that i had no chance of winning this and the reason for that was was obvious because they

00:07:36.680 had witnesses these were manitoba justice officers undercover manitoba justice officers who were at

00:07:43.820 the two events that i was ticketed for october the 16th and october 30th both events happened

00:07:49.180 at the manitoba legislature rallies one was a crowd of maybe 400 people when you were only

00:07:54.700 supposed to have 50 even though blue bomber games were in excess of 23 000 fans in the stands but

00:08:00.760 you had to be vaccinated for those we all know how that turned out we all knew at the time how

00:08:07.820 that was going to turn out but anyway um so these guys were in the crowd these manitoba

00:08:15.320 justice investigators were in the crowd they were also on top of the legislature taking pictures of

00:08:21.220 crowd size they were observing the crowd they watched me speak to the crowd on both days and

00:08:29.660 they had enough pictures of me to absolutely convince any judge that yes I was there

00:08:35.580 so I questioned these guys after the the crown got them I questioned them I asked them

00:08:42.660 look at like I said I knew I was going to lose this thing I asked for a motion from the judge

00:08:50.300 actually to dismiss the case based upon mootness and she didn't go for that so then i later on

00:08:56.660 asked made a motion to ask the judge to dismiss the case and just give a reprimand because that

00:09:04.260 was case law and anyway this will come to the end of the story uh goes on for about two hours

00:09:11.320 uh the judge like i like i said earlier i think on my uh my little walk and talk the judge was

00:09:18.320 very cordial the judge was polite she was helpful uh you do have to give your pronouns they ask for

00:09:25.260 your pronouns which i thought was interesting so when they asked what pronouns i go by i said what

00:09:31.260 i don't do that the judge immediately got upset and struck struck that from the record asked the

00:09:37.820 court stenographer to strike that from the record and insisted again that i give a pronoun

00:09:42.360 so I said him just in that way she didn't like that at all that did not get us off on a proper

00:09:54.480 footing but I did show respect for the court even if I didn't feel it I showed respect for 0.99

00:10:03.740 the process and the possibility that I might be able to pull this one out my ass well it turns 0.86

00:10:09.700 out at the end of the day i had two tickets uh for two different offenses and i argued that the 0.96

00:10:14.960 first one should be a warning based upon the case law that was laid out in the case with the infamous

00:10:19.720 manitoba five and seeing us out these two tickets arrived at my place on the same day at the same

00:10:26.580 time how could one be a warning and not the other right i got them at the same time it's not like i

00:10:33.100 had any time in between to go oh i got warned i better not go to the next event and then went

00:10:38.680 anyway i got these tickets at the same time so they should both technically constitute a warning

00:10:45.460 well the judge didn't see it like that so what she did was so i'm convicted of convicted

00:10:51.900 like i'm a felon so she convicted me of both tickets but threw out the charges on one of the

00:11:01.840 two tickets. So instead of having to pay $2,600, I only have to pay $1,296. And then she asked if

00:11:11.280 I needed time to pay the tickets. And I said, yeah, sure. And she goes, low end would be six

00:11:17.440 months. High end would be a year. I said, let's split the difference and make it nine months.

00:11:21.620 And so if I don't pay the government of Manitoba, $1,296 for breaking a mandate that no longer

00:11:30.140 exists and probably shouldn't have in the first place, they'll come and get me and throw me in

00:11:35.780 the who's gown. And I'm not sure what $1,296 would buy me in terms of jail time, maybe a week.

00:11:43.880 I don't know. So anyway, guilty is charged, ladies and gentlemen. I did have some discussions with

00:11:52.080 some friends afterwards. Notably, the name you would know would be Mike Foyjakas. And Mike said,

00:11:56.800 well, you know, if you hired a lawyer, it would have been ten thousand dollars out of your pocket

00:12:00.580 and you still might not have won. So you would have had to pay the tickets anyway. I said, yeah,

00:12:04.700 I know. And the two Manitoba justice investigators who I I questioned in the courtroom both said to

00:12:13.240 me afterwards, you did a pretty good job, man, considering you're not a lawyer. You did really

00:12:17.220 well in there. Congratulations. You know, this isn't personal, right? Well, I didn't like that

00:12:21.960 too much but uh i said yeah yeah whatever you targeted me and they did i proved that they

00:12:27.960 targeted me and a couple of the other speakers at the event but uh it didn't seem to matter to the

00:12:36.500 judge that is not equal justice in my eyes or in the eyes of the criminal code of canada but

00:12:43.300 whatever so that's what happened my friends that is what happened

00:12:49.140 at least i can stop talking about it now the show is brought to you by canada nanosilver

00:12:57.440 canadananosilver.ca and by tacit investigations and security hello christine rotsray how you doing

00:13:04.760 i'm good shadow how are you i'm very good thank you so uh we finally managed to figure out

00:13:10.240 christine's connection we were having a problem for 20 minutes or so so uh if she sounds a little

00:13:14.920 bit rough it's sure as heck a lot better than it was a half an hour ago uh thank you for coming on

00:13:20.640 the show tonight christine we've been planning this for a while now we've been trying to get

00:13:23.960 uh this whole story on the show because it is a big one and i know that you guys had a big meeting

00:13:30.080 uh if it was at city city council meeting last summer uh you know of over like a hundred people

00:13:37.420 yourself well that was actually the library board and that was September yeah yeah so um

00:13:43.820 yeah first of all I'm so glad to hear you're a him I would never have guessed it 0.71

00:13:48.440 it just shows what kind of world we're in like it's just ridiculous it's I know in the in a 1.00

00:13:55.580 court of law like what's your pronoun what are you even talking about so yeah guess what's 0.83

00:14:00.460 happening in your schools guys yes this is happening in court of law this is happening

00:14:04.440 your schools and i mean shadow so just you know i pulled my kids to two years ago while i was the

00:14:09.640 school trustee wow i was a school trustee so i mean that has i mean i guess it has something to

00:14:16.020 do with it all of this has something to do with it all of it it's all presented you had um um you

00:14:22.980 had wanted me last week but you had some really good speakers on instead and um like you had

00:14:28.160 jeremy and um greg and you know mark like fantastic people who are doing their best with

00:14:34.880 the fight um just you being in the courtroom today that that's all part of this and i think

00:14:40.000 we all have to start doing something like we're all weak we got to get out of bed yeah well you

00:14:47.340 know what this is something i want to cover with you a little bit later on but first why don't you

00:14:50.860 take us back to the beginning of this i watched the video of you speaking with uh winkler city

00:14:57.240 council was it okay yeah okay so i watched the video you told the story about how your your young

00:15:03.040 son found a book in the public library and you went and grabbed it out of his head because you

00:15:08.580 noticed what it was before he had a chance to look at it and the way you you phrase your story about

00:15:14.860 you know like the library is a place for kids to go and explore and it should be a safe place for

00:15:19.360 them to do that without running into publications like this so please take us back to that the very

00:15:24.960 beginning when this first happened when you first took notice of it yeah so i started uh like i said

00:15:30.160 i took my kids out of school and um they don't have a school library we have a library in the

00:15:34.480 house but it's not as much fun so you take them to the library and you expect they're going to have

00:15:38.800 a great adventure and my son picked a book off the shelf i didn't recognize it but just something

00:15:45.360 told me um like i said before i think that there's some people out there who would know what that

00:15:51.040 That means when something told me that that's that gut reaction, that's that consciousness, that's that's that's God intervention.

00:15:57.840 I think something told me to just take the book from his hand, which never really happens.

00:16:02.280 And I grabbed him a different book and gave him that one.

00:16:04.680 And he he was fine.

00:16:07.760 He never saw anything.

00:16:08.540 I opened up the book and I was I was flabbergasted.

00:16:11.440 It was it was disgusting. 0.95

00:16:13.620 Absolutely disgusting.

00:16:15.520 What was this book called, by the way, Christine?

00:16:17.560 This what this one was.

00:16:19.080 It's perfectly normal.

00:16:20.100 okay and there are a few other books in question there's a lot of material there's a lot of

00:16:26.520 material when you go to the library there is a lot of material um that's there that's in i mean

00:16:31.440 right now we're talking about pornography there's a lot of other stuff that shouldn't be there

00:16:34.680 but because we are talking about pornography we have to get to that criminal code and i'm going

00:16:39.280 to get to that um so he i i um took those books out of the library the following day i mean i got

00:16:47.980 the kids out of there right away and then i went back by myself grabbed the books off the shelf

00:16:51.940 and there was three and i thought well i can't be the only old old fuddy daddy who thinks that this

00:16:57.980 is improper like this is actual porn oh okay wait a minute wait a minute hold on hold on you see

00:17:03.240 this is one of the problems that we face on the freedom side of things is that you know the other 0.78

00:17:09.660 side is brainwashed almost brainwashed us into thinking well we we're old fuddy daddies we're

00:17:15.360 we're past our prime you know we're we're old you know and it started off probably with the

00:17:20.620 hashtag okay boomer i know you're not a boomer like me i'm a boomer by two weeks but i mean that

00:17:25.840 alone was so dismissive and so uh maddening to hear something like that just a few years ago

00:17:32.600 so when they say to you these days well you're not into drag queen shows for kids what's the

00:17:36.260 matter with you exactly oh 2017 yeah so i thought well i must be getting really old

00:17:43.360 but and start believing it right you start believing those things that you get called so

00:17:47.560 i i actually brought it to other people to see if i was the only one guess what this is porn

00:17:53.160 i'm not i'm not an old prude this is porn so you took this book this one book to some friends of

00:18:00.820 yours some acquaintances some other possible concerned parents to show them just to make 0.56

00:18:05.400 sure you weren't going loopy right that's right exactly it and there's not one person actually

00:18:10.160 The kids were in swimming lessons, so I brought it to the pool, which was in a double bag, and I showed people secretly, like, what do you guys think of this?

00:18:18.640 Am I crazy?

00:18:19.940 And not one person said it was okay.

00:18:23.220 Not one person.

00:18:24.920 So that was all summer.

00:18:26.520 I found this in May, and I had this.

00:18:28.600 I just could not bring the books back to the library just in case I could save one kid from looking at it.

00:18:33.820 I just couldn't do it.

00:18:35.060 Were they calling you to bring it back?

00:18:36.800 You've got an overdue book.

00:18:38.400 Yeah.

00:18:38.600 so they charged me for them they charged me for them today is it i paid for them yeah so you bought

00:18:45.020 the books from the so i ended up paying for them because i just could not take them back and of

00:18:48.940 course they're going to use that money to buy some more but i i yeah i just couldn't do it so

00:18:54.980 okay so so after that when you made sure that you weren't losing your mind and everybody else

00:19:00.860 agreed with you that these books were pretty much pornography that were in the reach of

00:19:04.540 four or five and six year old kids in a public library that's when you set out on your mission

00:19:09.360 yeah yeah that's exactly it I had I found some other people who everybody has talents and these

00:19:17.460 people brought some talents to the table that I certainly didn't have and and then that kept

00:19:22.720 growing so we had friends who were well I mean acquaintances that I met through this and they

00:19:31.700 helped me out with um excellent writing skills i had karen bam and um present and i don't know if

00:19:38.900 you got to see that but that was the one in in morden and what a presenter um she handled

00:19:43.940 herself so well in front of those people like that's it's it's funny how we we've flipped our

00:19:50.980 heads these people get elected and that's the same with council these people i'm just like you and i

00:19:56.580 OK, I mean, today you probably would have felt nervous.

00:20:00.900 Those people actually have an extra education or an extra.

00:20:04.200 They're actually to that role.

00:20:06.320 They're not elected to that role.

00:20:07.600 So they actually have a little bit.

00:20:10.240 You could be a little bit more nervous.

00:20:12.440 You shouldn't have been because you were 100 percent right.

00:20:16.040 But yeah, I would have been nervous in that situation.

00:20:18.720 We have to remember these other elected people or volunteers from our community who are on the library board.

00:20:24.980 right they're no different than you or i so we should be able to have those conversations we

00:20:31.100 shouldn't be we shouldn't be nervous about it um and that's what was your what was your first

00:20:36.320 experience like when you got this group of people together and you thought okay we're going to fight

00:20:42.540 this somehow we want to make sure that the library board does not restock the library with

00:20:47.920 these ridiculous books what did you do then what was your first step um yeah that first step we got

00:20:54.320 a I set up a delegation well okay before that I put in a complaints because there is a process

00:21:00.200 that you're supposed to follow we had a big learning curve um I learned a few things when

00:21:04.840 I was on the school board on how things work and um and and yeah that part wasn't that that hard

00:21:11.960 you ask for a delegation in front of a board because you have the right as a public person

00:21:16.380 to actually have a public meeting right you have the right to be a delegation in front of the board

00:21:23.380 it is a public board and and they get paid for by public funds they are actually your servant

00:21:32.420 yes and i don't want to be disrespectful like they're not your slave right they're your equal

00:21:38.560 but they've they signed up to serve the public right the community so so you so at that point

00:21:44.860 you say all right i'm going to get an audience with these people we're going to tell them what

00:21:47.620 our concerns are but then you have to write it out okay what are our concerns actually here what

00:21:52.440 is the actual problem that is when you had to go and dig into the criminal code of canada

00:21:57.800 if i'm not mistaken yeah like mike i mean you knew that it was wrong so it's not just your oh

00:22:03.920 i'm i think those people aren't wearing enough clothes you know it's wrong because just like

00:22:09.020 when you run a stop sign you know darn well that that was wrong can you can you give us like do

00:22:13.780 you have a you've got the book with you is it available can you show it yeah i've got that

00:22:18.820 book give me one second i can actually do you want to see the pictures yeah i don't know if you want

00:22:24.160 to see the pictures as long as long as we throw up a warning to people yeah for sure you know i

00:22:30.860 heard you point out too in front of the council go ahead and get those uh yeah those books and

00:22:35.160 i'll entertain everybody for a few seconds i heard christine talk to the the town council and say you

00:22:40.300 know it's interesting as she was speaking to them they all had copies of the book and the

00:22:46.260 illustrations in question that we're just about to see ourselves here uh but the media wouldn't

00:22:50.740 cover it and the media wouldn't show any of these photos on their on their uh news programs on

00:22:56.860 television why if it's good enough for a four five six seven year old kid then you should probably

00:23:03.100 be able to show it on tv right next to romper room sesame street or any other children's programming

00:23:08.300 spongebob square pants inspector gadget uh who's the little whiny kid with the bald head i forget

00:23:16.380 his name did they take him off caillou caillou is he still on i don't think so i don't know i don't

00:23:22.260 watch tv okay that kid so so the media wasn't covering this which must have been frustrating

00:23:29.560 so have you got the book okay yeah but i am kind of leery to show you guys this because this is

00:23:35.260 this is pornography and i mean i don't want to be accused of of showing pornography okay no no

00:23:43.080 no listen the first thing that we need to tell people right now is to give them a warning and

00:23:47.500 a disclaimer if you have any children watching this right now divert their attention for the

00:23:53.500 next 60 seconds and we're going to show you this uh we want you to see what some kids obviously

00:24:01.020 did see uh that was available in the uh the southern district public library of manitoba

00:24:07.800 yeah so now that we've given the warning i think everybody understands and feel free to go ahead

00:24:13.800 and show it christine okay i don't know so all ages i don't know what kids have to see from here

00:24:25.000 so we're talking about people who are naked naked absolutely naked some erected and some not um

00:24:35.600 here's

00:24:37.020 like i just want to be very careful but like i don't know what we're doing here

00:24:45.260 well we're showing what's available in a book that was available to children

00:24:50.320 great oh no no i know what you and i are doing but i don't know what they're doing

00:24:54.300 Well, I've never tried that before myself, that one there that you just showed.

00:25:01.500 Let's see here.

00:25:02.420 Hang on.

00:25:05.300 What?

00:25:06.260 Yeah.

00:25:06.800 Oh, yeah.

00:25:07.340 But shadow.

00:25:08.580 Okay.

00:25:08.820 So where I found, no, where my son, my six-year-old son found these books, you know, those little

00:25:13.420 cute chairs that everybody sits on and the kids sit on in the library?

00:25:16.980 Right beside that is children's nonfiction.

00:25:19.580 Some of my kids like fiction.

00:25:20.800 Some of them like nonfiction.

00:25:22.060 He pulled off this one off the shelf.

00:25:23.540 it was right beside like um where does rain come from or what makes a rainbow or what makes you

00:25:28.940 know colors learning about colors and stuff like that yeah that's right there i mean oh yeah um

00:25:35.160 it's not cool that's not cool that's it's not cool it's it's it's and then the wording 0.99

00:25:42.840 shadow it's it's how to masquerade how to have anal sex renee wants to know the name of the 0.98

00:25:50.460 book and the author oh this one um it's perfectly normal and the author is robbie h harris obviously 0.97

00:26:00.480 a pen name robbie i don't know i don't know you type you type that in and it's uh robbie h harris

00:26:07.500 i don't know i would say that they're not educated in the field that they think that they are

00:26:13.980 educated but education right now is a crock as well i shouldn't say it like that but well you're

00:26:19.960 part of the school board or I was part of the school board but I had to jump because that's

00:26:25.760 I mean yeah okay so at what age I'm trying to remember if we even covered this when I was in

00:26:33.080 school like sex ed I don't really remember having any kind of sex ed and if it was as close as it

00:26:39.280 got was probably more in middle school like seventh or eighth grade not in grade two or

00:26:44.740 Yeah. Yeah. So and I mean, I would suggest that everybody who has their kids in school, go and check the schools, because if this is in the public library, I'm willing to bet that's in your school.

00:26:54.740 And actually, Shida, remind me to talk to you about that after, because I can give a few hints on how to do that.

00:27:01.040 But in regards to to this, this isn't this isn't considered sex.

00:27:06.100 it if you look in these books you know in the copyright section you're looking at and you look

00:27:10.760 at where it doesn't file itself under sex it actually calls itself sexual instruction sex

00:27:17.080 instruction sex instruction why are we teaching kids about instructing a how-to book on how to 0.84

00:27:23.300 have sexual intercourse i don't sexual instruction for children because it's like it's illustrated

00:27:28.860 like like a kid's yeah it's juvenile it's yeah and i mean that's that's besides the point but 0.98

00:27:36.560 this is this is actual porn but yeah they call themselves it says sex instruction for children 0.89

00:27:42.120 sex instruction for teenagers and hygiene sexual um sexual hygiene juvenile literature but the 0.95

00:27:49.620 point is sexual instruction for children what are we getting at here like why do kids need any kind

00:27:55.840 of sexual instruction at all they're kids they're little kids they probably should be playing with

00:28:01.400 legos and running around outside tobogganing and oh doing what kids do you know doing what kids do

00:28:06.760 well apparently kids do other things now i don't know but not my kids not not my house this i've

00:28:12.300 drawn the line shadow and okay so christine that that is that is one of the many books that you

00:28:19.460 guys have red flag um yeah they and it's not just us uh you should see this in the states the states

00:28:26.920 is all over this i mean i only found that out after i started digging myself right because

00:28:30.760 that's what your feet will pull up in the states they're actually doing some wins

00:28:34.520 here i don't know they're yeah they're winning in the states a little bit they're getting there

00:28:39.440 well you see a lot of videos coming from the united states where you've got irate parents

00:28:44.520 yelling at school boards you even have elected officials i think there was a mayor of some city

00:28:48.440 in the United States yelling at a school board saying, if these books are not pulled from this

00:28:52.640 school by midnight tonight, you're all going to be fired and looking for new jobs by tomorrow

00:28:56.360 morning. And I'm not sure if he was able to make good on that threat, but it's nice to see that

00:29:01.100 kind of thing coming from elected officials. These days, at least in Canada, it seems everybody is so

00:29:06.940 scared to say anything. And this brings me to a point that you and I were talking about on the

00:29:11.220 phone last week when we say the word groomer or pedophile it's almost like we we are calling

00:29:20.740 names and nobody wants to lower themselves to that that level right because now we're just

00:29:26.540 crawling in the mud with them and we're getting into a bite and gouge fight but i think that is

00:29:33.520 something that we're going to have to do christine because if we don't they're just going to run right

00:29:38.400 over us. I mean, and, and so why is it that so many people are so hesitant to use those words

00:29:43.480 when it's obvious that that is what these people are? Yeah. The thing there is, is there's, there's

00:29:49.140 actually a couple of things. Um, and I've been doing some thinking about it because you and I

00:29:52.940 had that conversation. Um, well, first of all, we have to be very careful, just like harassment,

00:29:58.940 the term harassment or, um, uh, pedophile, those words have meaning and they have meaning in the

00:30:06.540 court of law so you better have some backing if you say that i'm harassing you better have some

00:30:11.940 backing because i'll take you to court right just like if i called you a pedophile be very careful

00:30:18.620 that has some legal backing on it and i don't i don't want to prove it in court i i'm actually

00:30:23.720 i'm not scared of court yeah i think it's corrupt just like every other system here

00:30:29.400 right but the thing is you do have backing in this instance right the question is

00:30:34.000 who are the ones responsible now you and i had that conversation as well trying to find from top

00:30:40.860 to bottom who exactly is the one because there's always that one person or maybe a group of people

00:30:47.040 who are responsible for putting these books into the libraries in the schools yeah you've been all

00:30:53.480 up and down the uh the governmental structure from provincial level on down have you been able

00:30:58.760 to find anybody any one person or group of people who might be responsible for this well i agree

00:31:04.200 with you that there's definitely somebody who's pushing the agenda in order to get it in but

00:31:08.680 shadow right now i'm in the process of trying to get it out and guess who's responsible for that

00:31:13.240 us it's us we have to tell our elected officials like we just went through the election process

00:31:21.060 right we got some good people elected and those other ones who didn't get elected

00:31:26.920 they have some firing behind them and they are excellent leaders and they can show

00:31:33.400 up to the public board meetings right we have public board meetings that's going to be a school

00:31:40.660 board right you have a public board meeting and you also have a public council meeting

00:31:43.800 show up people we have a job just like the board has to show up to that

00:31:49.340 we have a job and it's as boring as ever but guess where they slide that stuff in

00:31:55.340 that's where it gets slid in because nobody's going to say anything so even our good guys that

00:32:00.680 we just got elected nobody said otherwise i don't know what to do they got elected into

00:32:06.480 a dirty house they didn't get elected and come into a clean house it's already it's already dirty

00:32:11.760 in there and so they have to work within the dirt and nobody's there's no cleaning crew that's

00:32:17.100 coming to the public board meetings to clean it out nobody's showing them how nobody's even asking

00:32:21.820 questions on how they can fight for us like when was the last time anybody in our i'd love to see

00:32:28.700 that coming through the the comments when was the last time you guys showed up to a public board

00:32:31.980 meeting when was the last time you went to a school board meeting any kind of public meeting

00:32:36.740 any public meeting i don't know how many comments are going to come through

00:32:39.980 i'm not trying to call people out i'm not you know what i mean maybe it's time that we do start

00:32:46.080 calling people out because it's the only way we're ever going to make any real noise here and there's

00:32:51.280 so much stuff going on i totally understand that it's overwhelming for many people and many people

00:32:56.860 simply just can't get out they're either too busy or they're not physically able to do so especially

00:33:02.720 in winter and when it's this cold but the thing is i mean you have to show some kind of support

00:33:08.400 and we have to show some kind of solidarity and do this together so let's get back to the people

00:33:13.980 that you were uh that you had met with and you had kind of formed an informal alliance with

00:33:19.540 uh you realize that you had to have something to go to the board with in the initial meeting

00:33:26.800 so you look at the criminal code of canada right so exactly so that's exactly what i was just

00:33:31.360 going to say is that though the those groups those people if you're going um to these board

00:33:37.860 meetings and you don't have anything to back you it's much easier if you have something to back

00:33:41.520 you so we have the criminal code of canada and um uh let me forget i have another picture i have

00:33:47.260 show you after too shadow it's from that book or is it a different it's another book it's another

00:33:52.240 book okay let's get through the criminal code thing here let's get up on the screen right now

00:33:56.460 yeah because then you're going to see okay okay so the criminal code any any visual visual

00:34:03.540 representation can be formed right sorry so any form i mean so it could be video it could be

00:34:09.860 cartoon it could be um written it could be um like this isn't hustler like we don't need a picture

00:34:18.200 of of um you know a physical picture of an actual um body these can be drawn so that's where a lot

00:34:27.560 of people are like oh no that's not porn because that's not my dad's hustler or my my my neighbor's

00:34:32.840 hustler magazine or my what page was this one again i jumped sadly seeing but i i that's how

00:34:41.760 they associate porn so people think oh well this isn't porn yeah it is this is pornography so it

00:34:48.580 can be a photograph a photograph it could be film it could be video or any visual representation

00:34:53.320 whether or not it's made electronically or mechanical means that shows a person who is

00:34:58.320 or depicted as being underage, under the age of 18, and is engaged in or depicted as engaged

00:35:06.980 in explicit sexual activity. Or the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction

00:35:14.760 for sexual purposes. It could be a sexual organ, an anal region of a person under the age of 18 0.97

00:35:22.640 years old so just out of those pictures that i just showed you what do you say i mean to me that

00:35:29.200 that's exactly what we're talking about here well you know what it's interesting because you show

00:35:33.480 you show you show any written material visual representation or audio recording that advocates

00:35:39.300 or counsels sexual activity with under or with persons under the age of 18 well this is in

00:35:48.240 children's non-fiction area that's everybody under the age of 18 right some of these kids

00:35:55.340 don't even know how to read so all they did was see pictures yeah right and it doesn't matter

00:36:01.120 you read it and it's it's filth as well but yeah it's just it's it's absolutely unbelievable that

00:36:07.680 this is even an issue christine can you hear me yes oh shoot you haven't been able to hear me

00:36:16.960 I have been able to hear you, but I didn't think that you could hear me because I tried to interject in something you were saying there and you discontinued on.

00:36:23.580 I thought, oh, she can't hear me.

00:36:24.860 So why don't you bring out that book that you were just talking about?

00:36:28.960 Okay.

00:36:29.540 Just to put a finer point on this.

00:36:32.200 You're blushing.

00:36:33.000 She's blushing.

00:36:34.040 That's how bad this is.

00:36:36.100 This is really, oh, let's do this right here.

00:36:39.680 A little higher up.

00:36:40.880 Okay, so that's nether regions.

00:36:43.120 i'm like if we go down here look at that guy kneeling can you hear me shadow yeah yeah see 0.99

00:36:50.440 that's an adult with an erected penis it's a male right obviously i know penises apparently 0.99

00:36:57.020 it could be male or female nowadays but no that's it that's that's an old man kneeling position 0.99

00:37:04.980 what exactly are we teaching right what exactly are we teaching here i don't know

00:37:13.200 um this is the only educational one right because it's labeled yeah other than that

00:37:19.920 what what exactly are we teaching with this um then we have the breast page we have the bum

00:37:26.500 page right we have to have all of the bums right i don't understand and not once in this book not

00:37:34.180 once will it say male or female not once will it say mother or father it will um that's where

00:37:42.340 we're heading though right well exactly i mean it's it's complete indoctrination however

00:37:47.380 we cannot prove that right now right this is just a small group of us but we have the criminal code

00:37:55.180 so go back to the criminal code and and that's where this is coming from right we can

00:38:00.920 um yeah so here we are yeah like that single image of an adult male with his belly hanging

00:38:10.660 over its exposed genitals um in the kneeling position we're grooming kids to show that this

00:38:17.180 is normal okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna read out this section that you've kind of mentioned and

00:38:22.740 i'm gonna ask the people who are watching if in fact that i want you guys to think

00:38:27.980 with your brains here not with your emotions all right you saw the pictures that christine showed

00:38:33.660 us from both those books is it pornography as i read this definition in the criminal code of

00:38:41.440 canada child pornography means a photographic film video or other visual representation whether

00:38:49.180 or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means that shows a person who is or is depicted

00:38:55.040 as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual

00:39:02.540 activity or the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction for a sexual purpose

00:39:08.300 of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years. Any written material,

00:39:16.640 visual representation, or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a

00:39:23.560 person under the age of 18 years that would be an offense under the act. Any written material

00:39:29.140 whose dominant characteristic is the description for a sexual purpose of sexual activity with a

00:39:34.760 person under the age of 18 years that would be an offense under this act, or any audio recording

00:39:39.960 that has its dominant characteristics, the description, presentation, or representation

00:39:43.520 for a sexual purpose of sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be

00:39:49.100 an offense under this act so is it uh yes yes yes hell yes yes very much i'm not sure christine

00:39:56.520 if you can see the comments but everybody is saying hell yeah so i think the only problem

00:40:01.280 that you that we might have uh in court with something like this is for a sexual purpose

00:40:08.000 they could probably defend themselves uh using a trap door and saying this is not for a sexual

00:40:16.180 purpose like we're not trying to indoctrinate these kids we're just trying to teach them about

00:40:19.940 sex it's a human function what are your thoughts on that well then i would say okay first of all

00:40:26.620 under age is is the biggest problem there right that's not age appropriate information they are 0.92

00:40:33.080 in this book it will show how to masturbate so that counsels how to have um yeah that's that's 0.99

00:40:42.380 that's counseling it's all right that's yeah then it also shows it describes how to um have anal 0.99

00:40:50.000 and oral sex so those are still considered sexual acts and we're teaching children how to do that 0.98

00:40:59.940 the the other thing is is that let's just say that we counsel in this way and one of these children 0.83

00:41:06.700 act on it then a six-year-old well okay so oh how about how about a 13 year old and a 12 year old

00:41:13.880 how about a brother and sister who didn't know any brother or a cousin who did that like

00:41:18.560 disgusting and what are we trying to do here what are we playing with

00:41:24.560 yeah okay so again i'm playing devil's advocate here i'm i'm i'm trying to take

00:41:33.260 well i'm not taking the side of the other no i know the others but what i am doing is trying to

00:41:39.680 say okay how are they going to defend themselves here well i mean it's always been that you know

00:41:43.160 uh janey and johnny got caught in the closet playing doctor when they were eight years old

00:41:48.600 or something and i remember doing that same thing you know uh when i was young and i got caught but

00:41:55.080 when my parents busted me it was like never do that again until you're much much older right and

00:42:01.460 And the thing, the point of that was, I was eight.

00:42:05.000 I didn't even know what the hell I was doing.

00:42:08.060 Like, you know, it's a natural curiosity, I think.

00:42:12.920 But is it for the public education system to bring that into kids' consciousness?

00:42:21.780 Okay, and we're talking education and public library.

00:42:24.720 So just hang on.

00:42:26.300 I'm going to fix your curiosity because we said this isn't just visual representation.

00:42:34.680 It could be explained with words.

00:42:37.940 Now, this is difficult for me to read out loud.

00:42:41.260 Okay.

00:42:41.500 Once again, guys, warning.

00:42:43.300 Warning.

00:42:44.080 Warning.

00:42:45.100 You were much taller than me, probably about a good foot.

00:42:49.200 You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did.

00:42:52.720 And then you took off your shorts, followed by your boxers.

00:42:55.980 There you stood in front of me, fully erect, and said, taste it.

00:43:00.640 At first I laughed and refused, but then you said, come on, Matt, taste it.

00:43:05.740 This is what boys like us do when we like each other.

00:43:08.900 I finally listened to you. 0.99

00:43:10.500 The whole time I knew it was wrong, but because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, 0.99

00:43:16.280 but, or sorry, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. 0.99

00:43:21.540 yeah i'll let you take a minute and vomit 0.99

00:43:26.120 and now yeah you want to continue on the devil's advocate side 0.58

00:43:32.240 one one point of course i am i'm i know there's only one point that i could make to that

00:43:41.800 and that would be it's possibly a warning in some way uh against being assaulted by

00:43:51.380 a family member because we do hear about that kind of thing quite often sadly yeah but but

00:43:57.180 there's no there is no um so any child can access this book and i don't know if you were a good

00:44:02.700 reader like i wasn't growing up i didn't read every page of the book right no so you're going

00:44:09.960 to take this book out of context and that's what people are saying on that other side oh well i

00:44:14.500 haven't really heard nobody has approached me with that other side right and i would love to

00:44:18.880 have that debate with somebody however um if they were to to say that since when i mean unless you

00:44:26.480 have kids that are really strong readers but and even then you have to remember that this book

00:44:32.280 i can only access it well karen was actually the one who was able to access it which thank

00:44:38.280 goodness she did because this we were able to put into the presentation not that she was looking for

00:44:43.120 but this is what we found. And any kid could access it through their card without even going

00:44:52.260 to the library. They can access it online. A kid will have a library card and they can sit in their

00:45:00.360 room listening to it. It's an audio book as well. Their parents wouldn't even know they had access

00:45:07.380 to it and that's the blurb that they could have listened to or any other blurb and what's crazy

00:45:14.700 on that book is they call it a manifesto the author calls it a manifesto and now if i understand

00:45:21.840 a manifesto properly that's a training um so that you can train others yeah so this right if if i

00:45:29.940 understand it properly yeah and and that communist manifesto the manifesto yes so that he calls it

00:45:37.020 the author himself calls it a manifesto and we have it accessible to children in our libraries

00:45:43.120 and i don't want you to think it's just the manitoba or the south central regional library

00:45:47.260 this is every library well i shouldn't say that there may be some regions that don't have it

00:45:54.460 some of the regions go to the libraries and find out enter it that there's some reason that they

00:46:02.340 want to put this in into our kids you know that other side is very um very evil in my opinion

00:46:11.940 they're and and very clever very clever they've got this is often strategically planned um i don't

00:46:19.080 i personally don't think i mean um i would say it's the devil's involved i know that some people

00:46:26.620 would agree with me and people some others would be like oh there's no such thing but to me for

00:46:31.460 this to be so strategically planned um it needed some help and i don't want to say divine help

00:46:40.180 because it's too it's too evil right whatever it is you're right it has been planned for a long

00:46:46.360 time and and it's been out there a lot longer than we think right yes yeah so this book that

00:46:52.680 i had to pay for it was 2015 in the library they have a date marked so this wasn't just through

00:46:57.660 covid but it was through covid that i ended up going that right but this was in the library

00:47:02.320 since 2015 now if that other side is so strategically placed we allowed that to happen

00:47:09.220 right we were we were in the water and they were slowly turning it up right now now we see it now

00:47:17.120 we have to strategically place our people and in some places such as winkler i i okay i have to go

00:47:25.320 back sorry shadow so once we found out we presented to the library karen badman presented the library

00:47:31.220 there was a hundred people that showed up um and the the library didn't even get back to us after

00:47:37.540 that they they didn't get back to us for two months um when they did get back to us they said

00:47:44.780 we're leaving the books there um we don't want you to come to they they had an extra meeting but like

00:47:49.840 we had requested to be on the next meeting they didn't even tell us about it um and allow us to

00:47:55.020 either now and the same but during that two months you were waiting they did speak to the left-wing

00:48:00.860 corporate media and say to them because i recall seeing an article i think it was on ctv or maybe

00:48:05.640 cbc they were saying that oh yeah we're leaving the books in nobody's going to pressure us into

00:48:10.740 taking these books out we think they're useful for kids they actually defended it and i do recall

00:48:15.400 there was one one person who was the spokesperson speaking on behalf of the library board and i

00:48:20.860 can't remember his name but i thought that's probably the guy yeah i or these people just

00:48:27.940 are so far into the the intricacies of how a board works and they don't know how to get out

00:48:35.400 they're stuck between a rock and a hard place and our job is to help them out i do think there are

00:48:41.740 some evil people on there shadow there are there are some people that are against us on there but

00:48:47.340 we have to help those ones that we just elected has anybody went to go and help them out

00:48:51.940 has anybody brought something forward that they could do something about no nobody's nobody's

00:48:57.100 done anything we sit there and think like we look at the convoy and we thought when they're driving

00:49:01.740 by yeah finally some bunch of heroes that are going to go to ontario or to ottawa and they're

00:49:08.160 going to be our heroes well that's true they were our heroes because they showed us how to act

00:49:14.400 they got off their back but their death they got into their trucks and they started driving and

00:49:20.800 like i was saying the other day besides my my marriage and my my um my children being born

00:49:25.640 that was one of the happiest days of my life seeing that seeing that was unbelievable but they

00:49:33.640 they weren't just um heroes they didn't come in and swoop and fix everything and i think that's

00:49:39.640 what we there was a lot of us that hoped that that they would go in and fix it but they showed

00:49:44.280 us instead we too have to get up and go to our local government and start asking them to do

00:49:52.560 something not just asking them demanding that reminding them that they got elected because

00:49:58.840 they were they had the interest to be public service and we just have to have that conversation

00:50:04.600 with them i absolutely agree with you the problem is i think there's a lot of people who just don't

00:50:09.740 know what to do or how to do it which we can get to in just a couple of minutes but let's get back

00:50:14.260 to uh no it's all right i listen i know you're very passionate about this and i i really love

00:50:18.620 what you just said there i think it was great uh let's get back to that meeting where a hundred

00:50:22.600 people showed up and there was still more waiting to get in the couldn't because it already reached

00:50:26.660 capacity that was very impactful yeah yes it was it was it was phenomenal um so many people showing

00:50:32.740 up um prayer groups outside it was it was it was ridiculous now those people in the room those

00:50:38.900 those board members as sad as that was that's not the normal for them so they're already on edge

00:50:46.100 right they're already like who is this coming in they it feels accusatory it feels like we're

00:50:53.600 doing something wrong but sadly they chose the the domineering way out right well nobody's going

00:51:01.020 to tell us what to do when in fact they should have said thank you for letting us know because

00:51:05.700 we didn't even know these disgusting books were there because they did it they did but instead 0.99

00:51:11.520 what did they say they like they tried to demean you and diminish what you were saying is garbage 0.90

00:51:16.240 you know what actually um they didn't say much um the board responded that the chairman uh i think

00:51:27.240 i personally think he's a good person and i don't think he wants to have these books there but i

00:51:31.060 think he's between a rock and a hard place but um he you see this is the problem this is the problem

00:51:38.120 when we say between a rock and a hard place no no we put ourselves in that position between a rock

00:51:44.000 and a freaking hard place give me a break you either do it or you don't do it it's about having 0.99

00:51:49.740 the balls to step up and sorry for that usage of balls i'm offending women out there i don't mean 1.00

00:51:55.860 to you know figuratively not literally have the balls to stand up and say all right this is not 1.00

00:52:01.980 happening anymore who is at the bottom of this let me get at them and then we can start getting 0.51

00:52:07.420 to the the and i agree with you shadow the only thing there is that there's like nine people on

00:52:12.880 a board so that was me that's what i had to fight against in in the school board situation and just

00:52:17.660 like a few people on this board they felt there's going to be a few that felt um oh well nobody's

00:52:22.520 going to tell us what to do. There's going to be a few that said, oh, I like these books on the

00:52:27.420 shelf. And then there's going to be the odd few that say, we can't, we can't have this porn on

00:52:33.000 the shelves. But then you know what a board does? Then they do a vote. And now you already had three

00:52:41.000 saying one thing, right? They said they want to keep the books. Then you have three that said,

00:52:45.500 well, nobody's going to tell me what to do. And then you have those poor three that say,

00:52:48.940 this is wrong and that's not a recorded vote unless they ask for a recorded vote that doesn't

00:52:55.820 get recorded it's just majority wins period and then that poor chairman and I would like to I'm

00:53:02.860 going to think I am going to personally say that he was on our side I can't I would never know

00:53:07.820 but my gut says he's on our side and so I would say that poor chairman had to say what the board

00:53:15.560 said you know why because that's how a board works the chair has to speak on behalf of the board

00:53:21.140 the board voted maturity ruled and that's what he has to say i would personally have resolved

00:53:28.320 i mean i got sanctioned for six months for standing up right three three months on the

00:53:33.880 one thing three months on another and and i have to stand up there's no way that i can i can fall

00:53:40.180 back on my, on my morals. Well, Christine, here's the situation though, as we talked about,

00:53:45.640 you know, with, with the, at that meeting where there was a hundred people that showed up when

00:53:48.680 you've got that kind of strength in numbers, when you see the numbers of people, the numbers of

00:53:53.520 truckers that drove out to Ottawa, when you see the vast size of something like that, when you

00:53:59.900 see all of those people jamming that room for that meeting, then, you know, you've got something

00:54:04.880 going and and i think what we've had on our side is a difficulty in maintaining momentum and i don't

00:54:11.900 know why that is it's maybe because there's still too many passengers on our team and not enough

00:54:16.280 actual grinders who will go into the corners and stick their elbows up and say get out of here

00:54:21.180 you know we need a little bit more fight i think yeah and you need you need individuals like we

00:54:27.160 never we've never teamed up but we found individuals through this that we accept their

00:54:32.560 talents and we accept them with grace and we accept the help i've never been one this has

00:54:38.760 really changed me i've been kind of a go-getter my whole life and i've always been a control freak

00:54:43.640 so i got to run my own show and um this has been quite the humbling experiences because

00:54:49.340 something that would take me probably two weeks to write there are people in this group

00:54:54.780 thank you so much um to them who can write something that would take me three weeks to

00:55:01.180 right? It's done in an hour. They're fantastic at what they do. And I know, Shadow, you know who

00:55:08.260 I'm talking about here. But they just, those are the people, we have to keep the conversations

00:55:14.440 going. We have to keep the relationships going. And keep them on your phone. It's okay. Just

00:55:20.720 give them a call. Everybody's in the same fight. And it's shocking to me how many people come up

00:55:26.920 you and they'll say let me know when i can help let me know what i can do to help you i don't

00:55:32.440 even know how to get them to help because i'm out of but i've got them i know that i can count on

00:55:37.320 those people because they are just like me they might sometimes all it takes is getting them all

00:55:42.840 together in one room having a couple of bottles of wine or whiskey or maybe it's coffee whatever

00:55:48.680 it is your beverage of choice and saying all right let's throw some ideas around here what

00:55:53.640 what can we do now right anybody got anything that they've seen that's worked and so you you've

00:56:00.300 pretty much got a a pattern a protocol for people to follow uh in terms of getting to their own

00:56:09.660 library boards or school boards am i right kind of kind of yeah you're working on it now you're

00:56:16.000 not quite at the end but you've gotten to the point where you're well this is any anybody can

00:56:20.800 do it because it's a public board meeting. You just have to have the balls or the figurative 0.57

00:56:28.920 balls for all of us ladies, the true ladies out there and the true man out there. We have that 0.96

00:56:36.940 in us. We naturally have it in us. Let it shine. Let it roll. Let's go. Christine, have you been

00:56:43.820 in contact with any other areas of the province or even people in other provinces who have been

00:56:48.640 looking at trying to put something like this together yeah you know what we have bc has

00:56:53.460 has been rolling and they're doing it on their own um i know i shouldn't say this but if we can't

00:57:00.780 get winkler winkler's got some good people and i only know that because um uh because that's where

00:57:06.820 i go you have to remember we've got a big stage here this is south central regional library covers

00:57:12.620 manitou and so that's the rm of of um pema all the way to rm of thompson the rm of altona the

00:57:21.640 rm of stanley the r the morden altona town and this and the city of winkler like there's seven

00:57:30.200 councils so that's what we did next okay so let's go back so the library said we're going to keep

00:57:36.220 I'm sorry, Shada.

00:57:37.340 It's all right.

00:57:38.720 I hope everybody can follow my spaghetti frame.

00:57:41.700 We just get going off on diet, but let's continue on with the story here.

00:57:45.760 Let's continue on with what you've done.

00:57:47.500 And then I want to get to the end here because you've got a petition up change.org that says,

00:57:51.640 say no to sexually explicit books for kids in Winnipeg public libraries.

00:57:56.980 You have been talking to people in Winnipeg, so I want to get to that.

00:58:01.780 But tell us what you did afterwards.

00:58:03.940 Have you been visiting all of these different seven councils and talking all over the area?

00:58:09.320 So what happened, library decided to keep it on the shelves.

00:58:11.660 They let us know two months later.

00:58:13.260 They should have let us know in person.

00:58:15.840 We had a personal delegation.

00:58:18.100 The proper good form is that the board would respond.

00:58:22.640 And, I mean, there are so many failures in the system of their board that, I mean, there should be some people probably no longer in service there.

00:58:32.880 However, that's that's another story for another day. But as it is right now, the library said they're keeping the books on shelves.

00:58:40.520 And then they also said the deal is done. We're not talking about it anymore. Discussion closed.

00:58:47.260 Well, there's 100 people in the room. What do you mean? Discussion's closed. You never even talked to us.

00:58:51.640 You never had any discussion. You just said issues closed. Well, that's what? Issues not closed.

00:58:57.320 And so you've decided as a library to keep the books on the shelves. But why on earth would we allow our council to fund that? With our taxpayers' dollars, they are using our hard-earned dollars to pay for the books and to pay the people to show pornography to our children.

00:59:18.680 like let's think about that a smidgen so we're paying people to show pornography that we bought

00:59:27.600 to our kids yeah are we crazy like come on so we went to the all the councils and we said did you

00:59:35.640 guys know that this is what we're paying for and we demand that we don't pay for it with our tax

00:59:41.440 dollars if that's what the library is going to do then we will defund that situation because we do

00:59:45.920 not want that do we want the libraries to fund it no sadly we don't but if they play this game

00:59:51.620 i sure as heck do i want it to fund it because if they don't want to take the porn off the shelves

00:59:56.720 they are actually committing a crime because here's the criminal code right so they are

01:00:03.700 committing a crime why are we paying for it so have you had any success talking to these boards

01:00:08.280 so far now not every board runs the same some are a little bit more um don't know how their own

01:00:15.520 board is supposed to run um some of them you learn that they are putting things into camera

01:00:21.380 that they're not supposed to when i say in camera i don't know if everybody understands what that

01:00:25.120 means um in camera means they're going to speak about it in private yeah and now when something

01:00:30.960 in a boardroom or in a public setting um is spoken in private there's only four reasons

01:00:36.520 according to the municipal act and according to the library um the public libraries act

01:00:42.400 um there's there's acts that they have to follow and they are they're obviously not up and up with

01:00:48.160 that because they're breaking some of those rules sadly um most of the the councils didn't want to

01:00:55.220 respond but winkler did i from my understanding i didn't get to go to stanley because there was

01:01:01.420 two council meetings at the same time so i went to six out of the seven meetings um

01:01:05.900 um Miami which was Thompson they they heard us they heard us um sadly Pemina they they that's

01:01:17.060 the Manitou region they said thank you for the information and they put it into um communication

01:01:23.700 for information which means that they filed it under information and said thank you and then

01:01:28.460 left now you have to understand that we didn't just say to Winker Council um you know get this

01:01:34.760 off the shelves we gave they have options they can suggest right there's a council member from

01:01:43.860 each council in order for this course consortium to work there's one council member for from each

01:01:49.360 council from all seven that have to be on that board because they control the funding right that

01:01:55.760 it's the municipality that controls the funding so that that library board has to have at least

01:02:00.840 one council member on that board then the rest of those board members the library board members are

01:02:07.640 people volunteers from those communities that sit on that board so there is representation

01:02:14.280 that should be speaking on behalf of the board or on behalf of the council so if the council

01:02:19.880 of winkler says they don't want these books that council member that's on the library board should

01:02:25.720 also be speaking the same language they should also be speaking the same words so so just this

01:02:32.260 is a very convoluted discussion here we're talking just about seven rural municipalities in southern

01:02:38.360 manitoba trying to get all of these rural municipalities all these rms together uh because

01:02:44.960 they are actually blended together under that one library board as you point out um and everybody

01:02:51.520 living in a different province or even a different area of the province would have to figure out

01:02:58.900 the weird ass configuration of their rms or counties in some cases uh so they can move forward

01:03:05.780 with this right that that's probably one of the frustrations that you've had is trying to figure

01:03:09.960 out exactly how all this works and how one thing is connected to another it goes province and then

01:03:15.840 rural municipalities and then board and then like no not not really so you have um a library in the

01:03:25.720 region so they're gonna have there's only three different types winnipeg is one so that's a city

01:03:31.640 library so that whole library the decision making is done by the city council your city it's not

01:03:38.220 done by a library board they have you guys have an advisory board but your city council runs the

01:03:44.500 decisions and policies in that library. Now, you guys are the only one. So that's option number

01:03:49.260 one. Then you have another choice. Your region, you can have a regional library, which is the

01:03:54.320 same as what we have. So that's a bunch of municipalities that have gone together. And

01:03:58.960 you'll hear it in the name of your library, the South Central Regional Library. So you already

01:04:03.620 know that it involves more than one municipality. Or you will have the Somerset Library. So you

01:04:09.640 know your area or your town has paid for that so that's your rm or your council that pays for that

01:04:17.640 one those are your only options okay so and it would be like that in other provinces i'm assuming

01:04:22.740 i would assume so too because that there nobody's clever enough to change their own system across

01:04:29.860 the board all of the systems they're so proud that we have the best province and we have the

01:04:33.820 they all use the same policies down in the states i looked at some of the policies in the states

01:04:38.440 shadow and it's the exact same policies up here everybody's so proud to say oh yeah we did work

01:04:44.640 so hard on our policies it's all you did was steal it from another guy yeah yeah interestingly

01:04:49.920 again christine and i had this conversation i think it was two weeks ago and we were talking

01:04:54.700 about where do these people get these ideas from anyway they don't even read them half the time

01:04:58.820 they just import them from some other municipality somewhere else in the country they don't even know

01:05:03.640 what they're doing like can you actually sit back and go wow these people who are in charge of

01:05:10.240 stocking our libraries with books and what children read they don't even know what they're signing and

01:05:16.200 what they're putting in there like can that even be but you have to remember that the council

01:05:20.860 themselves they only give the funding and then that funding goes to that library and then that

01:05:26.320 library board says here you have to follow those policies and then the director says okay we're

01:05:30.700 following those policies and so they allow these books to come in but they don't know what policies

01:05:35.240 they even are because they probably haven't read them never read them or the policy was dictated

01:05:40.860 from an association that has that nefarious idea and that is true there is an association there is

01:05:49.080 a canadian association that says that these books are not pornography there's an association that

01:05:54.440 it's a policy not a policy and a suggestion down to the recommendation yeah a recommendation to

01:06:00.440 keep these books on the shelf what is this group that you're talking about do you know who they

01:06:04.480 are the canadian the canadian uh library association the canadian i don't know it's

01:06:09.320 such a crop but they feel that they have to obey it but it's an association that does not override

01:06:15.980 bylaw it certainly doesn't override criminal code no certainly doesn't override criminal code

01:06:23.280 no so now let's go back to winkler winkler said this is not right the council said and we would

01:06:30.640 like to do something about it so they have the option they can say to their councilman we should

01:06:37.460 suggest to the library that they don't do this anymore the library still has their own choice

01:06:41.500 they can't really dictate to the library but they can suggest the library can leave it and leave the

01:06:46.980 books on the shelves then the the council can say well we're going to get together all of these

01:06:52.800 all of these councils are going to get together and we're going to make a cooperative bylaw or

01:06:58.660 we're going to give a cooperative suggestion to the library and say no more because this isn't

01:07:02.860 happening anymore or winkler themselves can say we're going to put a bylaw in and protect our

01:07:09.540 people and say no more yeah i think maybe going to that level is probably best because that way

01:07:17.520 you're encompassing everything right and and do these winkler city counselors understand what

01:07:24.140 they're responsible for it sounds to me like they don't really know what they're talking or

01:07:29.560 know what they're responsible for from the video that i watched of your presentation to them earlier

01:07:34.240 today yeah not that you did it earlier today i watched it earlier today but they didn't seem

01:07:38.740 clear on the concept i think we have to help them get clear on what their job is just because you

01:07:44.780 you got elected right go go back to when we were had the elections in the fall those we had people

01:07:52.400 standing up and they said enough's enough I'm going to stand up I'm going to go and take that

01:07:56.500 job do you think that they knew what the policies were I mean I still don't know half the policies

01:08:01.940 and I ran I was in school board for for 10 years it's far too convoluted Christine it's

01:08:06.840 you know what we're bringing it forward yeah we need to find a way to cut through it

01:08:13.280 easier because it's so easy for them to just bounce you from one agency to another commission

01:08:19.520 except for one thing shadow yeah the criminal code right this is against the law we found the law

01:08:27.580 no bylaw can supersede the canadian criminal code let me ask you if you've gotten any uh

01:08:35.140 legal recommendations or any legal help at all with this i'm going to say we're not done yet

01:08:43.260 so i'm not going to reveal too much okay um where we've got things in the works um i was hoping

01:08:49.560 that maybe your show would pull out some police officers or some um some lawyers or something

01:08:55.780 like that because we would love to have extra help but we are we are um we're not done you can

01:09:03.020 ask i mean you're on it right now there's going to be thousands of views by this time tomorrow so

01:09:08.440 you may as well go ahead and say hey listen if you want to give us a help getting or give us a

01:09:13.060 hand getting rid of these pornographic books for little kids in public libraries you can reach me

01:09:18.880 at this email yeah which is which is um oh my head is all over the mouth it is um uh concerned

01:09:28.360 citizens can't concerned citizens canada i don't i don't email myself often enough hang on a second

01:09:36.920 Concerned Citizens Canada.

01:09:38.620 So if you type that in for Instagram, Facebook, or YouTube,

01:09:42.220 you'll get our connections there.

01:09:45.800 Oh, really?

01:09:46.240 So you guys are all on social media.

01:09:47.920 So Concerned Citizens Canada.

01:09:50.760 Okay, so you type that into the search bar on Instagram.

01:09:53.960 Where else?

01:09:54.760 Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.

01:09:57.700 So you'll see all of these links on there,

01:09:59.280 and you'll see the videos that we've done already.

01:10:01.640 You'll see the stuff that we've done.

01:10:05.860 Is there an email that you have?

01:10:08.300 There's an email through there, yeah, that you'll be able to get connected to.

01:10:13.140 And I'm sorry, as you can tell, those talents, like I was telling you earlier, that one's not my talent.

01:10:18.920 But, yeah, there is a talent that, or there is an email that you'll find on there.

01:10:22.920 Okay, excellent.

01:10:24.160 That's connected.

01:10:24.640 So you're looking for help, and you're also willing to give help to other people in other areas who may be just starting out in this process of the long road that you have been down.

01:10:35.180 Christine, you are doing a fantastic job, and I think that you're a fighter, and you're tenacious.

01:10:41.340 You don't give up, right?

01:10:43.380 Mama bears don't give up, right?

01:10:44.880 Mama bears don't give up, and this is the hill.

01:10:47.880 You know, Shadow, you had, like I said, you had Jeremy, you had Mark on last week,

01:10:52.220 and he was saying that we have to find that common thing that's going to get us,

01:10:59.620 and at first we thought it was the convoy, but this common thing is they're after the kids,

01:11:04.400 and parents have had enough that's the common thing they're after kids right now we have the

01:11:11.200 criminal code once we get the people standing then the next things are going to fall into place

01:11:18.160 they're going to fall because once everybody starts standing up that table of cards is gone

01:11:23.380 well i'm hoping that people understand that everything that's going on right now with all 0.66

01:11:27.380 these drag queen story time there's one coming up in morden apparently too right i think it's insane

01:11:33.200 yeah and we have you don't send people out to protest that in my opinion what i've recommended

01:11:39.880 before is you send a mole in there you buy a ticket and you start video videoing what they're

01:11:44.760 doing in there and then you release it online and say this is what happened at the morden uh

01:11:50.020 drag queen story time in front of a five-year-old kid because we've seen videos like that right

01:11:54.980 once people see that happening in their own hometown they might get a little bit more up

01:12:00.560 in arms than they are if it happens in austin texas or right you know someplace far far away

01:12:08.160 it's it's shocking to me and that's why it's it has to be so diabolical um that two three years

01:12:15.440 ago you would have died if you would have you would have not if somebody if somebody had a

01:12:23.660 drag show in front of him he would have been arrested like that yeah right yeah and now it's

01:12:30.420 okay if you look go to google everybody like when the show is over go to google and look up

01:12:36.600 drag queen story time manitoba put that in and then look at all of the stories that come from

01:12:43.480 the left-wing corporate media about uh supporters outnumber the haters at the last drag queen story

01:12:50.980 hour at uh scout coffee bar in northville donor and all of those things you will see that the

01:12:57.920 google is heavily heavily heavily in favor of that side the drag queen side of things and we are the

01:13:05.900 the enemies we're the ones filled with hate loathing uh we're the ones who are dragging our

01:13:11.320 knuckles around we're the ones stuck in 1981 we're the ones who are the problem that's how we all

01:13:18.240 know that google's just as fake yeah google facebook instagram youtube all of it exactly

01:13:26.420 we're smarter than that no shadow well i know that's that's why we're on rumble and twitter

01:13:32.060 because they don't they don't play christine thanks for coming on tonight we're going to do

01:13:37.040 this again and uh i want you guys to concerned citizens canada instagram canada youtube

01:13:44.120 instagram youtube and what's the other and facebook and uh go yes that's what i just said

01:13:51.340 and so go and and look for them you guys and if you're looking for some help uh getting something

01:13:56.580 going in your own area then reach out to christine she'll be more than willing to help you out or if

01:14:01.720 you're looking to help lawyers police officers whatever you can get a hold of her through those

01:14:06.400 social media platforms as well thank you christine we'll talk again soon

01:14:10.180 sounds good i i hope so because i uh i enjoyed it that's for sure okay me too have a great night

01:14:18.880 thank you all right thank you everybody for listening yeah take care christine ronceray

01:14:24.720 um with a delay there at the end of at the end of the interview wow you know

01:14:33.440 she's been fighting for months months her and and a few other concerned parents and citizens

01:14:45.080 and she didn't want to say this because she didn't want to insult her own area and i don't

01:14:52.760 really think it's much of an insult when we say if we you guys have heard me say if we lose alberta

01:14:59.260 to the NDP in the coming election, especially with Danielle Smith as the premier. If we lose

01:15:07.640 Alberta to the NDP, then pretty much all hope is gone because Manitoba is no longer got a

01:15:15.380 conservative party. They call themselves a conservative party, but they're not. We do have

01:15:20.000 a couple of smaller parties like the Keystone party, and I think the Manitoba party is still

01:15:24.360 a thing. And they're truly conservative. And when I say conservative, I'm not talking about,

01:15:31.060 you know, free man on the land. I'm talking about conservative. If Manitoba loses Winkler

01:15:41.260 to this kind of nonsense, if Manitoba loses that area, Winkler, Morden, Altona,

01:15:48.480 then this province is surely gone that's been the stronghold when we had the manitoba convoy last

01:15:58.680 year the bulk of support for that came from the winkler area the winkler morden area

01:16:05.080 we call it the bible belt affectionately in this province we say oh it's a bible belt down there

01:16:13.580 and it is, and that's fine, but if we lose them to the progressives,

01:16:22.160 that's game over, so guys, I have put this into the comment section, you hopefully can find it

01:16:32.700 on both Rumble and Facebook, this is for Winnipeg, say no to sexually explicit books for kids in

01:16:38.820 winnipeg public libraries i'm not much for petitions but sometimes a city council or a

01:16:44.960 library board or whoever it is you want to talk to requires a certain amount of signatures

01:16:49.520 through a petition online or on paper or whatever to allow you to even get in the door to speak to

01:16:57.180 them public representation right so this particular petition is the say no to sexually explicit books

01:17:04.640 for Kids in Winnipeg Public Libraries has got 603 signatures out of 1,000 they need.

01:17:12.400 So if you find this link in the comments, please go ahead and fill it out

01:17:17.780 and then forward it to somebody else who cares.

01:17:22.240 Because, guys, it's important.

01:17:24.620 We can't lose the few strongholds we have.

01:17:28.840 And the other thing is, when we do get a win...

01:17:34.640 It seems as though we kind of give up and go, yeah, we got that one.

01:17:38.920 For example, the Jordan Peterson thing in Ottawa last night.

01:17:42.200 Ottawa City Council tried to shut it down,

01:17:45.020 and a few left-wing, freakazoid, progressive groups in Ottawa

01:17:48.900 tried to pressure Ottawa City Council to shut it down.

01:17:53.240 And Ottawa City Council stood up and said, no, we're not doing this.

01:17:57.620 Jordan Peterson is allowed to give a talk at the Canadian Tire Centre,

01:18:04.240 i think is the place in ottawa i'm not sure how many thousands i've got some video to play for

01:18:12.660 you a couple of clips from his i don't want to call it a performance let's just say his lecture

01:18:18.140 last night in ottawa thousands of people came out to see jordan peterson and he will be touring

01:18:22.900 across canada as well somebody somebody sent me today a link i was thinking about going to see

01:18:29.080 jordan peterson in winnipeg he's playing the burton cummings theater i think it's in april or may

01:18:34.400 and to sit in the lower bowl of of a auditorium that holds i think about 2500 maybe 3000 people

01:18:41.920 to sit in the lower bowl of this auditorium we're talking about 1400 maybe 1500 dollars for tickets

01:18:47.980 if you want to sit in the second and third levels then it gets more reasonable up at 250 or 200

01:18:53.020 so he's an expensive ticket but he's a hot ticket uh jordan peterson talks woke schools

01:19:01.740 assisted suicide at the ottawa event this from tnc.news renowned canadian author and psychologist

01:19:08.840 jordan peterson touched on woke schools and assisted suicide during his beyond order 12

01:19:14.320 more rules for life tour stop in ottawa last night i don't think there's more dire sin than

01:19:21.460 corrupting children, staying on that theme. Maybe the only more egregious error is swearing to do

01:19:28.580 nothing but violate your own conscience, you know, out of spite and bitterness, the renowned

01:19:35.020 personality said of the woke agenda in the classroom. You're going to have to take your

01:19:40.160 blows to push back against enforced and mandatory idol worship, but that's a lot easier battle than

01:19:47.000 losing control of your own soul, Peterson said of teachers pushing back against the

01:19:52.820 agenda.

01:19:54.280 Despite attempts by activists and an Ottawa city councillor to cancel the event, it went

01:19:59.500 ahead peacefully and without protest.

01:20:02.360 This is Eli Canton Nantel with a post on Twitter, 11 seconds long, of the people of

01:20:10.580 the United States.

01:20:17.000 okay there's one and then here's a 14 second clip here's another standing ovation

01:20:38.340 now there's a reason that the left hates this guy it's because he makes so much sense uh this

01:20:45.140 is another okay this is a shot at the crowd at the event in ottawa this is only 10 seconds long look

01:20:51.680 at this so there it is look at that you see that i don't know i mean that's that's canadian tire

01:21:09.740 center in ottawa home of the ottawa senators what do you think that is like five thousand

01:21:18.920 maybe six thousand they probably had it set up in a bowl scenario there um the guy's a draw

01:21:25.840 and he should be bc until i was done with court earlier i wish this would go away please people

01:21:31.380 stop sending me notifications right now this is the only place i could find this video is shared

01:21:35.960 on facebook a million times elena tuttle who i've decided i'm going to try and get on the show

01:21:40.820 she says if you own land you need to watch and listen to this then speak to your mayor or mla

01:21:48.020 more information in the comments okay so um let's go ahead and play this thing

01:22:05.960 .

01:22:35.960 I did it again, didn't I?

01:22:49.820 There's no sound on this video.

01:22:52.020 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn the sound back on.

01:22:59.960 And then I'm going to start the video from the beginning.

01:23:03.620 And everybody will be happy.

01:23:06.660 Okay, guys, look, it's been a long day.

01:23:08.440 I've been up since 6.20 this morning and on the go.

01:23:14.120 So I'm not exactly myself tonight.

01:23:16.340 I hope you've noticed that and you're going to give me a pass.

01:23:19.480 I'm really hoping that you will give me a pass on this.

01:23:24.000 Here's the video.

01:23:24.800 Basically, they're coming after your land and they're going to start 15-minute cities.

01:23:29.480 And their slogan is just transition.

01:23:32.120 Where did that come from? 0.72

01:23:33.180 Well, it comes from a group called the C40.

01:23:35.960 cities 40 they are trying to make certain cities almost all major cities in the world 15 minute

01:23:42.520 cities and for us rural folks they have planned to land grab how will they do this they are starting

01:23:48.320 to make changes in our land use bylaws without our knowledge without any votes or anything this

01:23:55.080 is a time to get involved because they have not passed this yet and they want to pass it

01:23:58.860 september this year everybody in rural communities everyone in large cities start calling your mayors

01:24:04.600 start calling your MLAs and asking them what are the changes that they want to make to the land

01:24:10.340 use bylaws so that we know because this is what they're going to put in there they're going to

01:24:14.960 make slight changes that don't really make sense but you will have to watch that in case of

01:24:19.940 emergencies or lockdowns or climate lockdowns what are they allowed to do to your land those

01:24:25.640 of you who think that this is a conspiracy theory this is already happening in the Netherlands with

01:24:29.580 the farm protests and those of you who really think that we're out to lunch remember 2020 when

01:24:34.220 you were just touting oh it's only two weeks to flatten the curve yeah how did that work out and

01:24:38.940 then remember when you were saying it's safe and effective yeah how are those like side effects

01:24:43.180 that you don't want to talk about going exactly so basically this isn't the first time they have 0.89

01:24:47.500 attempted to do this i was at the protests when the ndp tried to do a land grab with the y2y group

01:24:54.780 who's the y2y group well they're called the yukon to yellowstone group and they were saying that it

01:24:59.180 was for caribou migration and that we needed to save that land and kick off all the farmers 0.64

01:25:03.580 that were basically in that category of land, but you know what's really funny? That's exactly where

01:25:10.700 the biggest oil reserves are in North America. So was the NDP really trying to save the caribou,

01:25:16.220 or were they trying to get the oil companies to not go in and drill so that they could make a false

01:25:21.260 energy crisis so that they could actually expedite this? So I need everybody to call your MLAs,

01:25:28.460 call your mayors and actually ask them what are these changes then we need to start educating

01:25:34.520 people like repost this make your own videos tag me in it we need to start discussing what are

01:25:40.700 these changes that they're trying to do behind our backs those of you who think i'm lying here

01:25:44.540 are some receipts i will also put this on my twitter and i will try and make a longer rumble

01:25:48.760 video where i explain all of this in detail there it is c40 cities green and just transition they

01:25:56.320 even have a playbook so that you can get your youth going you know Greta Thunberg and so forth

01:26:01.120 hey Texas your mayor's in on this and this is basically that the goals that they're trying to

01:26:06.720 reach were very cool right except except they will actually need to maybe cut out your ability to

01:26:13.440 drive and Don Iverson mayor of Edmonton liberal go figure he was part of this and if you think

01:26:20.800 this is a conspiracy theory please look this up your so she's right if anybody knows her

01:26:30.760 anybody watching this knows her follows her on on social media because i don't i only just got

01:26:37.460 her links today she sounds very well spoken and knowledgeable i would love to have her on the show

01:26:43.720 everything she said about that caribou migration thing the y2y group is absolutely true that's why

01:26:50.060 christie of freeland was in grand prairie earlier this year that's where she was confronted or was 1.00

01:26:57.440 it uh i forget exactly which city was in i'm thinking grand prairie but that's why she was

01:27:05.320 confronted she was there arranging this thing guys it's not a lie they're trying to to cordon

01:27:16.780 off almost a third of alberta from drilling from ever being able to get that oil out of the ground

01:27:27.300 there which will essentially cripple alberta and cripple canada economically

01:27:33.260 this is the website she was talking about c40 c40.org green and just transitioned she was right

01:27:42.860 here it is man a green and just transition is c40's vision for a greener healthier and more

01:27:49.960 prosperous future for everyone everywhere creating new green jobs within an occlusion

01:27:54.560 inclusive economy working towards resilience and equity by providing fundamental public services

01:28:00.060 for everyone blah blah blah blah blah this is it man and you know what i didn't even know about

01:28:06.860 these guys. Finding out more and more and more every day. Now, what about this whole nitrogen

01:28:16.680 thing that Trudeau has been going on about with our farmers? That's been the crux of the problem

01:28:22.400 in the Netherlands, right? Shutting down the farms there because they're emitting too much

01:28:26.320 nitrogen, which is bad for the atmosphere. Climate crisis. And so protests in the Netherlands

01:28:35.740 continue they're not they're not done there yet but they want to do the same thing here in canada

01:28:40.580 so anthony fury of tnc true north uh wrote and produced a video on this today says the alarming

01:28:49.080 report on the trudeau liberals plan for fertilizer regulations the trudeau liberals want to reduce

01:28:54.680 emissions from fertilizer by 30 percent in the name of fighting climate change but agriculture

01:29:00.040 experts say that this could lead to a reduction in crop yields which would cause a decrease in

01:29:05.320 the food supply, harm farm incomes, and increase the price of food. We have known this for months

01:29:11.100 now. Why is TNC only just reporting on this now? Well, maybe because of this. The liberals stress

01:29:17.720 that these goals will be met through voluntary action on the part of farmers. But a new series

01:29:24.980 of reports out from True North called the Fertilizer Files reveals how government documents

01:29:31.200 show the government has been considering making it mandatory. I'm having trouble with words

01:29:36.580 tonight, my friends, but let's listen to this piece. A really important and concerned

01:29:41.120 Screw North by Cosmo Georgia reveals that the Trudeau liberal government has been considering

01:29:46.180 a regulatory backstop when it comes to reductions of emissions from fertilizers if they don't get

01:29:53.780 what they want through voluntary measures. What does this all mean and why does it matter? It

01:29:59.200 sounds sort of technically convoluted, but basically the Trudeau government has decided

01:30:03.960 that emissions from fertilizers is one of the things that concerns them when it comes to their

01:30:08.580 climate change agenda. They're bringing in a whole variety of legislation and rules, plastic bag

01:30:14.040 bands, electric vehicle sales targets, you name it, obviously bringing up the carbon tax, creating

01:30:19.900 the second carbon tax when it comes to the clean fuel standard, and now this, where they're looking

01:30:25.020 at fertilizers used by farmers and saying, well, they create emissions. We want to reduce those

01:30:30.420 emissions. So they've been proposing what they call a 30% reduction in the emissions from those

01:30:36.720 fertilizers. They say they're not proposing a 30% reduction in use of fertilizers, just in the

01:30:42.040 emissions that come from them. How you separate those two, though, a lot of people say technically

01:30:46.320 is something that still has yet to be answered. So they're basically proposing a reduction in

01:30:51.640 fertilizer usage, but it's going to be voluntary. Okay, I guess that's okay then, and they're going

01:30:58.920 to leave it up to farmers to decide whether or not they proceed with it, but what's the point

01:31:03.000 of the government even doing something if they say it's voluntary? Here's where these documents,

01:31:08.220 internal government documents that True North has acquired by access to information, come into play,

01:31:13.860 finding that during this discussion, government officials did discuss bringing in a regulatory

01:31:19.260 backstop to basically make this mandatory. Now that phrase regulatory backstop, that's actually

01:31:25.520 the same phrase that they used when it came to the carbon tax. So they told provinces, look,

01:31:30.200 there's going to be no national carbon tax just so long as you guys introduce a provincial carbon

01:31:34.980 tax that we're satisfied with. And of course, it didn't turn out that way. And a couple of provinces

01:31:39.440 went to the courts to fight it. They lost. And now we have a national carbon tax in effect in places

01:31:44.860 like Ontario. Why does this fertilizer story pose a problem? Why should Canadians be concerned about

01:31:50.420 it? Well, because a number of industry groups and farmers have said, look, if you basically reduce

01:31:55.820 fertilizer usage by 30%, it means you're reducing our yields by 30% because fertilizers are what's

01:32:03.180 allowing us to basically live in this modern society with the degree of food production that

01:32:07.700 we currently have. You reduce the yields. What does that mean? It basically means you reduce

01:32:12.060 the volume of food, which means we're making less food and we need the food that we produce.

01:32:17.320 And we're also going to see food prices increase at a time when, as all Canadians know,

01:32:21.640 they've already increased quite a deal. So where do we go from here? Well, the Liberal government

01:32:26.260 maintains that the proposal is for this to be voluntary, but the documents show that they have

01:32:31.100 acknowledged maybe we'll have to make it mandatory. We'll see where the government proceeds with this,

01:32:36.080 but farmers not happy. I know industry is hoping that they can resolve this through

01:32:40.480 back-channel conversations and through negotiating with government. But we've seen in other places

01:32:45.180 around the world, like in the Netherlands, there have been protests that verge on the riots because

01:32:49.600 farmers are so frustrated with heavy-handed impositions. What's going to happen next here?

01:32:55.380 Who knows? But hopefully for those concerned about what this means for the food supply chain,

01:33:00.720 we don't see any sort of mandatory backstop come into play.

01:33:04.420 mm-hmm weren't we talking about this months and months and months ago

01:33:10.620 and we were going to see canadian farmers

01:33:13.880 get into tractors and drive to ottawa and weren't we weren't we going to see that

01:33:21.540 that's not going to be the impetus in canada i don't think

01:33:29.080 it's not even though we've got a lot of farmers here i don't think that's going to be the thing

01:33:39.060 you know this is what uh christine was talking about this is what we all talk about actually

01:33:43.780 this has been a very large topic of conversation lately what exactly is going to be the impetus

01:33:51.540 that gets canadians to stand up and take action is it going to be the drag queen story hours is

01:33:58.300 that enough well that's one spoke on the wheel is it going to be the nitrogen thing for farmers

01:34:04.020 is that going to be it i don't know is it going to be a combination of these things

01:34:08.900 what's it going to be i think i know what it's going to be but that's not going to happen for

01:34:18.120 probably a year year and a half because they're trying it out in oxfordshire uk starting next

01:34:27.660 year as a pilot project and that's the 15-minute city with the e-cameras the e-locks the e-gates

01:34:37.380 as they call them so if you drive across this camera's barrier it will take a photograph of

01:34:45.020 your car and give you a ticket if you're not authorized to be leaving your zone that day

01:34:51.260 and they call it conspiracy theory well no

01:34:54.540 no that's really happening just because they phrase it differently doesn't mean it's not real

01:35:05.040 and don't let anybody call you names don't let anybody call you conspiracy theorist

01:35:10.680 don't let anybody call you net job wackadoo psycho don't let anybody ask what has happened to you

01:35:19.600 I can't even tell you how many times I get that question every week.

01:35:26.420 You used to be so good. What happened to you?

01:35:31.080 What happened to you? That's my question.

01:35:34.280 I know you're not supposed to answer a question with a question, but in this case, I think it's fitting.

01:35:38.440 now if you don't think that global warming is going to be the next thing

01:35:49.300 let me guide you to this article from the new york post today

01:35:54.460 biden calls global warming this is the president of the united states such as he is

01:36:03.460 i don't know where i am

01:36:08.440 Come on, man.

01:36:11.060 Biden calls global warming bigger threat to humanity than nuclear war during his New York City speech.

01:36:20.860 Should we play part of this?

01:36:23.880 52 seconds.

01:36:24.900 Okay, why not?

01:36:25.540 I haven't seen this myself.

01:36:26.500 Do the United States invite F-16 to Ukraine?

01:36:30.100 No.

01:36:30.620 Put the front in there.

01:36:38.440 well that's that's not even a that's not even a related video all right let's just read the

01:36:49.660 article here joe biden gave manhattan donors an update on his thoughts about nuclear war today

01:36:56.600 saying that he currently views global warming as a greater threat less than four months after

01:37:01.080 he casually told a different set of new york city donors that the world was close to nuclear

01:37:06.060 Armageddon. Global warming is the single most existential threat to humanity we have ever

01:37:19.440 faced, including nuclear weapons, Biden told a small group of supporters on the Upper East Side

01:37:24.920 after headlining a rail infrastructure event nearby. It's unclear if the 80-year-old commander

01:37:32.700 in chief elaborated on his reasoning reporters were only allowed to see part of biden's remarks

01:37:37.920 and video of the private event was not immediately available there are enough nuclear weapons to

01:37:43.060 directly kill most of the world's population experts say a large-scale nuclear war would

01:37:48.540 blanket the globe in dangerous radiation and cause a nuclear winter with decreased sunlight

01:37:54.200 and lower temperatures that would finish off most survivors as opposed to global warming

01:38:00.180 which was supposed to have already uh destroyed us what 10 years ago

01:38:06.220 according to al gore wasn't that the case all right you guys have heard me sing the praises

01:38:14.400 of this guy here ron desantis and mostly i like everything he says but listen to what he says in

01:38:20.660 this two minute video taken from 2021 it actually made me upset check it out but but that is what

01:38:28.380 we're seeing. So yes, and I said this a couple months ago, I said, told people to get vaccinated

01:38:32.840 because we have a summer season here, just like last year. It started a little later this year.

01:38:37.680 So you're going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it

01:38:43.000 goes back and goes to different waves. If you're vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact

01:38:49.560 you in any significant way. And I think that's the important message for people. I get a little

01:38:54.740 bit frustrated when I see some of these jurisdictions saying, even if you're healthy

01:39:00.020 and vaccinated, you must wear a mask because we're seeing increased cases. Understand what

01:39:03.540 that message is sending to people who aren't vaccinated. It's telling them that the vaccines

01:39:07.700 don't work. I think that's the worst message you can send to people at this time because I think

01:39:13.120 that the data has been really, really good in terms of preserving people, saving people's lives,

01:39:19.420 reducing mortality dramatically and i i can tell you that you're going to end up having

01:39:25.680 over 95 percent of folks that end up seriously ill from this point on are going to be people

01:39:31.800 who are not vaccinated and so uh so remember how i've been saying there's no political solution

01:39:41.780 at least not in canada to this problem well i guess that extends to the united states as well

01:39:46.280 I was completely unaware of that press conference he did, touting the efficacy of vaccines.

01:39:52.840 So what that leads me to believe, sadly, is that a politician will say anything as long

01:40:07.300 as it's politically expedient for them. 0.98

01:40:10.040 My friends, these people don't give a rat's ass about you, your family, me, whatever. 0.98

01:40:21.360 They don't care. 0.98

01:40:26.820 They want power and they want to keep power. 0.79

01:40:30.840 And they want more power.

01:40:34.940 That's it.

01:40:36.060 so i wonder if if there are people out there

01:40:43.480 who could become elected just as regular joe or joanne off the street right

01:40:50.800 like this is the problem we face when it comes to politics what we sit here and say well a career

01:40:56.540 politician what do you expect they're all liars and so when election time rolls around what happens

01:41:02.760 You throw up a regular Joe against one of these guys who's just wearing a shirt like this one, maybe hasn't shaved in a couple of days, doesn't have his hair combed, or is wearing a hat that says John Deere on it.

01:41:14.060 Would you vote for a guy like that?

01:41:16.880 Probably not.

01:41:17.780 You want to know why?

01:41:18.720 Because he just doesn't look professional enough.

01:41:21.980 He doesn't have enough experience.

01:41:25.780 Let's vote for the career politician.

01:41:27.980 We can't have it both ways. 0.95

01:41:30.180 the career politicians they're all corrupt

01:41:33.620 now could joe from the street go in there and get the job done or would he become corrupt too

01:41:46.680 is it the system that makes you corrupt if you dance with the devil long enough the devil don't

01:41:52.980 change devil changes you so my question is are there people out there with enough integrity

01:42:01.780 hootspa general charisma to go and win an election and then stay true to their beliefs and the

01:42:09.540 beliefs of their constituents because if we can't find somebody like that and multiply them by

01:42:16.360 a thousand this is all we're ever gonna get

01:42:21.600 now i like what ron desantis is saying right now and i pretty much like 99 of everything i've ever

01:42:32.860 heard him say but that little clip there shows me that he'll say anything

01:42:38.080 that his advisors tell him is going to be good for his political trajectory

01:42:46.360 all right guys i want to uh do one last thing here for you tonight i found this on newsweek

01:42:56.640 today and i thought newsweek wow this is the epitome of left-wing corporate propaganda

01:43:02.160 and then i read this story and i was blown away i couldn't believe it it's an opinion piece

01:43:07.500 so it's not a news piece but it says it's time for the scientific community to admit we were

01:43:14.940 wrong about COVID and it cost lives. It's written by Kevin Bass, who is a med student. He's in his

01:43:22.540 seventh year, right? He's a PhD student. So he's like an advanced medical person. He's also a

01:43:28.800 researcher, a medical researcher. As a medical student and researcher, I staunchly supported

01:43:38.800 the efforts of the public health authorities when it came to COVID-19. I believed that the

01:43:43.580 authorities responded to the largest public health crisis of our lives with compassion,

01:43:48.420 diligence, and scientific expertise. I was with them when they called for lockdowns,

01:43:53.620 vaccines, and boosters. I was wrong. We in the scientific community were wrong, and it cost

01:44:02.020 lives. I can see now that the scientific community, from the CDC to the WHO to the FDA

01:44:09.640 and their representatives repeatedly overstated the evidence

01:44:13.280 and misled the public about its own views and policies,

01:44:16.980 including unnatural versus artificial immunity,

01:44:20.100 school closures and disease transmission,

01:44:22.820 aerosol spread, mask mandates and vaccine effectiveness

01:44:26.300 and safety, especially among the young.

01:44:30.540 All of these were scientific mistakes at the time,

01:44:34.760 not in hindsight.

01:44:36.940 Now that's a bold statement.

01:44:39.640 He's saying, at the time, we should have known better.

01:44:43.520 He's not saying, well, we didn't know then, but we know now.

01:44:46.620 That's a big difference.

01:44:49.800 Amazingly, some of these obfuscations continue to the present day,

01:44:53.520 like me in court today.

01:44:58.260 But perhaps more important than any individual error

01:45:01.200 was how inherently flawed the overall approach

01:45:04.080 of the scientific community was and continues to be.

01:45:07.360 It was flawed in a way that undermined its efficacy and resulted in thousands, if not millions, of preventable deaths.

01:45:15.720 What we did not properly appreciate is that preferences determine how scientific expertise is used and that our preferences might be indeed our preferences were very different from many of the people that we serve.

01:45:30.220 we created policy based on our preferences then justified it using data and then we portrayed

01:45:37.300 those opposing our efforts as misguided ignorant selfish and evil we made science a team sport

01:45:44.640 and in doing so we made it no longer science it became us versus them and they 0.88

01:45:51.300 responded the only way anyone might expect them to by resisting

01:45:57.020 we excluded important parts of the population from policy development and castigated critics

01:46:04.780 which meant that we deployed a monolithic response across an exceptionally diverse nation

01:46:09.760 forged a society more fractured than ever and exacerbated long-standing health and economic

01:46:15.720 disparities our emotional response and ingrained partisanship prevented us from seeing the full

01:46:22.960 impact of our actions on the people we're supposed to serve. We systematically minimized the downsides

01:46:29.020 of the interventions we imposed, imposed without input, consent, and recognition of those forced

01:46:35.420 to live with them. In so doing, we violated the autonomy of those who would be most negatively

01:46:41.920 impacted by our policies, the poor, the working class, small business owners, blacks, Latinos,

01:46:48.220 and children. These populations were overlooked because they were made invisible to us by their

01:46:53.860 systematic exclusion from the dominant corporatized media machine that presumed omniscience. Most of

01:47:00.740 us did not speak up in support of alternative views, and many of us tried to suppress them.

01:47:06.160 When strong scientific voices like world-renowned Stanford professors John Ioannidis, Jay Patacharya,

01:47:12.800 Scott Atlas, or University of California San Francisco professors Vinay Prasad,

01:47:17.240 and Monica Gandhi sounded the alarm on behalf of vulnerable communities. They faced severe censure

01:47:23.460 by relentless mobs of critics and detractors in the scientific community, often not on the basis

01:47:29.260 of fact, but solely on the basis of differences in scientific opinion. When former President Trump

01:47:36.140 pointed out the downsides of intervention, he was dismissed publicly as a buffoon. And when Dr. 0.94

01:47:41.500 Anthony Fauci opposed Trump and became the hero of the public health community, we gave him our

01:47:46.700 support to do and say what he wanted, even when he was wrong. Trump was not remotely perfect,

01:47:54.340 nor were the academic critics of consensus policy, but the scorn that we laid on them was a disaster

01:48:00.600 for public trust in the pandemic response. Our approach alienated large segments of the population

01:48:06.820 from what should have been a national collaborative project, and we paid the price. The rage of those

01:48:15.280 marginalized by the expert class exploded onto and dominated social media. Lacking the scientific

01:48:22.080 lexicon to express their disagreement, many dissidents turned to conspiracy theories. Now,

01:48:27.120 you see, this is where he loses me a bit. And a cottage industry of scientific contortionists

01:48:32.180 to make their case against the expert class consensus that dominated the pandemic mainstream,

01:48:37.640 labeling this speech misinformation and blaming it on scientific illiteracy and ignorance,

01:48:43.220 the government conspired with big tech to aggressively suppress it,

01:48:47.300 erasing the valid political concerns of the government's opponents.

01:48:52.880 And this, despite the fact that pandemic policy was created by a razor-thin sliver 0.52

01:48:59.780 of American society who anointed themselves to preside over the working class,

01:49:05.160 members of academia, government, medicine, journalism, tech, and public health

01:49:09.040 who were highly educated and privileged.

01:49:11.220 From the comfort of their privilege, this elite prizes paternalism as opposed to average Americans who laud self-reliance and whose daily lives routinely demand that they reckon with risk.

01:49:23.180 That many of our leaders neglected to consider the lived experience of those across the class divide is unconscionable.

01:49:33.380 Incomprehensible to us due to this class divide, we severely judged lockdown critics as lazy, backwards, even evils.

01:49:41.220 We dismissed as grifters those who represented their interests. 0.97

01:49:45.060 We believed misinformation energized the ignorant,

01:49:48.460 and we refused to accept that such people simply had a different, valid point of view.

01:49:54.840 We crafted policy for the people without consulting them.

01:49:58.220 If our public health officials had led with less hubris,

01:50:02.160 the course of the pandemic in the United States might have had a very different outcome with far fewer lost lives.

01:50:09.060 Instead, we've witnessed a massive and ongoing loss of life in America

01:50:14.320 due to distrust of vaccines in the health care system,

01:50:17.960 a massive concentration in wealth by already wealthy elites,

01:50:21.700 a rise in suicides and gun violence, especially among the poor,

01:50:25.740 a near doubling of the rate of depression and anxiety disorders,

01:50:28.920 especially among the young,

01:50:30.100 a catastrophic loss of educational attainment among already disadvantaged children,

01:50:34.960 and among those most vulnerable a massive loss of trust and health care science scientific

01:50:41.720 authorities and political leaders more broadly the author's motivation for writing this was

01:50:48.800 simple it's clear to him that for public trust to be restored in science scientists should

01:50:55.500 publicly discuss what went right and what went wrong during the pandemic and where we could

01:51:00.380 have done better. How about an apology? That's what I'd like to see. It's okay to be wrong and

01:51:08.680 admit where one was wrong and what one learned. That's a central part of the way science works.

01:51:13.980 Yet, I fear that many are too entrenched in groupthink and too afraid to publicly take

01:51:19.480 responsibility to do this. Solving these problems in the long term requires a greater commitment

01:51:25.400 to pluralism and tolerance in our institutions, including the inclusion of critical if unpopular

01:51:32.060 voices. Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public

01:51:39.380 health and our democracy depends on it. Kevin Bass is a medical PhD student at a medical school

01:51:45.520 in Texas in his seventh year. And that, my friends, once again, ran in Newsweek, quite possibly one of

01:51:54.520 the most left-wing corporate media publications in north america so is it possible left-wing

01:52:04.180 corporate media is changing their tune nah not really i don't think so because if they admit

01:52:13.000 that they were lying misreporting leaving things out then they lose complete trust

01:52:22.180 as it is in canada i think 40 of the people trust the left-wing corporate media and that number is

01:52:28.680 shrinking used to be 52 just a year ago now it's 40 what's it going to be next year 30 then maybe

01:52:35.400 the year after 20 15 10 they're gone saskatoon star phoenix apparently is closing down or at

01:52:43.580 least they're going to publish from a non-location where reporters just report from home and from on

01:52:49.680 site of stories. That's the only newspaper in a city of about 350,000 people. That's

01:53:04.540 what's happening to the media, and they did it to themselves, my friends. They did it

01:53:11.740 to themselves eva chipiak the lawyer who confronted justin trudeau at the emergency

01:53:18.240 uh commission in october and november hers was actually the very last day when trudeau was on

01:53:24.580 the stand so that would have been what third week of november she is going to join the show tomorrow

01:53:29.120 night talk about how the liberal government is going to receive rulo's report justice rulo's

01:53:34.080 report two weeks before anybody else in canada so they'll have plenty of time to go ahead and

01:53:39.160 come up with several narratives to paint the verdict one way or another depending on which

01:53:44.000 way it goes i suppose so i look forward to hearing from eva uh tomorrow night also the the trudeau

01:53:50.640 impersonation guy i'm going to try and get him on the show very soon as well he got back to me today

01:53:57.720 um as i was i think i posted a comment or something john julian is his name and he got

01:54:06.140 bag to me today so we've been messaging back and forth and uh we're going to try and work out an

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01:58:01.540 library boards city and town councils municipality boards all in the name of getting these horrible 0.94

01:58:10.440 sexualized books out of the hands of kids as young as four and five years old as she pointed out you

01:58:18.140 take a kid to a library i remember going to my first public library man it was like wow this is

01:58:22.700 cool you just go running around looking for cool books maybe they got some comics in here and then

01:58:27.660 you just get to know the place and when you're four years old you're you know what about three

01:58:34.680 feet tall and you can only reach certain things and yet these books were available for these kids

01:58:41.120 to reach the books that jen showed us earlier tonight with those illustrations and i certainly

01:58:47.400 hope i didn't offend anybody when we showed those books but you had to see them you had to see them

01:58:53.320 for a reason you had to see that those books are available to we little kids in public spaces

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01:59:07.920 the country uh helping to stop it everywhere and she's also uh looking for help uh specifically

01:59:15.540 from lawyers for legal assistance and police officers for advice. How can we get the RCMP

01:59:22.480 to charge these people? Because what they're doing is breaking the criminal code of Canada,

01:59:27.340 as we illustrated earlier on the show tonight. So thank you for being here, you guys. I really

01:59:31.600 appreciate you sticking with me for two hours. It's a bit long. Back tomorrow night at eight

01:59:37.180 o'clock central for another Shadow at Night livestream. Until then, have a great rest of

01:59:42.280 your night and uh day tomorrow and i will talk to you soon bye for now i love you all

The Shadoe Davis Show - February 01, 2023

Shadoe at Nite Tues Jan. 31st⧸2023

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