The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Tues. March 29th⧸2022 w⧸ guest Jay Hill of The Maverick Party of Canada

00:00:00.000 and welcome to Shadow at Night. This is Tuesday, March the 29th, 2022. Special guest lined up for

00:00:06.580 the show tonight, the interim leader of the Maverick Party of Canada. His name is Jay Hill.

00:00:10.940 He spent 17 years in Parliament in the House of Commons as the elected representative of

00:00:17.780 Prince George, first as a member of the Reform Party, the Canadian Alliance, and then obviously

00:00:22.320 the Conservative Party of Canada. He spent two years as House Leader before his retirement,

00:00:27.060 2008 through 2010 and yeah he's coming on the show in just a second we're going to talk a little bit

00:00:33.720 about western concerns matter of fact a lot about western concerns but also we're going to talk

00:00:38.500 about the liberal ndp coalition we're going to talk about the leadership race in the conservative

00:00:43.220 party of canada and a lot more jay's got some thoughts and uh troves of wisdom and experience

00:00:50.460 from his time in ottawa so jay hill the interim leader of the maverick party of canada coming on

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00:03:23.960 again canadananosilver.ca all right this is an interesting story i got from the post-millennial

00:03:30.600 but before we get into that i want to say hello to some folks tonight now you know i haven't been

00:03:35.680 really doing this lately oh and by the way you guys before we even get started tonight

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00:04:17.220 people are going to see it hello josh how are you doing tonight hello paul hello wanda from

00:04:23.020 sudbury canada yeah you know what i like to see where you guys are all from so if you're not from

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00:04:49.860 thomas hello from ottawa saskatchewan flin flan cool larry's up in gimley we have rick from

00:04:59.920 um tri-cities kitchener waterloo cambridge welcome to the show all of you guys and thanks for

00:05:08.320 tuning in regularly okay tuning in uh that's an old expression right punching in clicking in

00:05:15.880 whatever we call it these days all right let's get to this story here this is from the post

00:05:21.220 millennial you find this interesting interesting because this is something pierre poly of uh who

00:05:26.920 is in the leadership race for the conservative party right now was talking about last week

00:05:31.220 liberal mps say trudeau has pushed the party ultra left with this ndp deal this is something

00:05:38.660 we've been saying uh for a week already or more but to hear liberal mps say it is very fascinating

00:05:45.120 don't you think some liberal mps are voicing their discontent with the liberal ndp confidence

00:05:50.060 and supply agreement notice they don't call it a coalition i think it's semantics but it's not a

00:05:55.500 true coalition i guess in the truest sense of the phrase it's not because there are no ndp cabinet

00:06:00.820 ministers anyway saying they were not consulted on the matter and that the party may be drifting

00:06:05.560 too far to the left dude they've been drifting left way too far left for years now one liberal

00:06:11.800 mp who spoke to the hilltimes anonymously said the party was already too far well yeah already

00:06:17.660 too far left before the government before the agreement sorry saying that the party has

00:06:21.940 officially joined the ultra-left. The agreement announced last week will allow liberals to remain

00:06:29.420 in power until 2025, so long as they commit to working for NDP priorities like dental care and

00:06:35.540 pharma care. The Hill Times reports the deal came as a surprise to many in the party, adding they

00:06:41.420 were upset they were not so much as consulted on the agreement. This is the centralized power

00:06:46.340 discussion we were having last week. Well, the NDP caucus was able to vote on it. Many liberals

00:06:52.040 were only made aware of the decision following a 90-minute caucus meeting where they were given

00:06:56.780 time to ask questions. Some, however, say they were not convinced of the rationale.

00:07:02.940 Well, MPs said they weren't against the idea of dental per se. They said it was a tab Canadians 0.64

00:07:11.520 are being forced to rack up. That was their main concern. Like they're concerned about costs

00:07:16.180 now after all the blind spending and miss pretty much misappropriation of funds i mean if you can't

00:07:25.820 account for where the money is gone billions and billions of dollars which the liberal party has

00:07:30.660 not yet done then i would say it's misappropriation well mps said they weren't against the idea blah

00:07:37.020 blah some liberals voiced concerns over spending noting the canada's just exited its most costly

00:07:42.080 years ever. Anyway, you've got some, interestingly, you've got some backbench, obviously, liberal MPs

00:07:48.640 who are not exactly thrilled with this new arrangement. I wonder if there's as many as it

00:07:53.660 would take to bring this arrangement down. In the meantime, when asked about digital ID

00:08:00.160 and digital currency, this is what Pierre Polyev had to say. I have a question for you just about

00:08:07.680 digital id you never touched on it it is a thing it's happening and a lot of my viewers would love

00:08:12.880 to know your take on that i'm against it are you and will you come out and repeal it entirely

00:08:19.080 or will you against it i don't think it's necessary and there's no purpose for it and

00:08:23.380 federal mandates against them all i wouldn't get rid of them yesterday all right so that is pierre

00:08:29.260 polyev now a lot of people are saying he's still part of the world economic forum he's still part

00:08:34.140 of the UN agenda. He's a globalist and whatnot. But everything I've seen the guy say when he said

00:08:41.140 something, he is anti-agenda 2030. So I guess only time will tell. Jay Hill, as I'd mentioned,

00:08:51.220 spent 17 years in the House of Commons as a member first of the Reform Party, then of the

00:08:57.040 Canadian Alliance, and then, of course, the Conservative Party of Canada. Jay represented

00:09:02.320 riding in Prince George, British Columbia, and was the house leader from 2008 to 2010

00:09:08.340 in the cabinet of Stephen Harper. And from out west, Jay joins us on the show right now. Jay

00:09:15.120 Hill, a leader, interim leader of the Maverick Party of Canada. Thank you for coming on the

00:09:20.200 show tonight. Really appreciate your time. My pleasure, Shadow. Good to be with you.

00:09:25.240 So Jay, first question is regarding the Liberal NDP so-called coalition. Do you think that

00:09:32.300 this coalition will stay in place or is it something that's going to come down?

00:09:36.860 I think that in all likelihood it will. Yes, it will survive until Justin Trudeau no longer wants

00:09:44.600 it to survive. And he always has the power as prime minister to call the election whenever he

00:09:50.400 wants to, regardless of what kind of an arrangement he's made with Mr. Singh. I would say I'm absolutely

00:09:57.260 appalled. I can't believe that the mainstream media and Canadian citizens have allowed this

00:10:03.480 largely to go by unnoticed. With the exception of some independent media like yourself,

00:10:10.300 nobody's really making an issue of this. Let's be clear here, Shadow, what has happened

00:10:15.260 is that everyone understands that Justin Trudeau called an unnecessary ill thought through election

00:10:22.900 way early last fall. And it was solely because he wanted to restore his mandate, his majority

00:10:32.120 mandate, to get absolute power so he wouldn't have to go to the NDP for the necessary votes

00:10:38.520 in the House. He lost. The Canadian people did not give him a majority. And so he cuts this deal

00:10:46.480 behind closed doors with Jagmeet Singh and ends up with his majority anyway.

00:10:51.820 If that isn't an absolute slap in the face to democracy, I don't know what is.

00:10:56.440 The people spoke on September 20th.

00:11:00.060 They decided to leave him in a minority government situation,

00:11:03.720 so he was hopefully a bit more accountable.

00:11:07.260 And then the NDP, Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau,

00:11:12.240 And as you just reported, even without the knowledge of his own caucus, his own members of parliament that give him the necessary votes to stay in power, they completely usurped democracy and formed this unholy alliance.

00:11:28.720 Does it surprise you that Trudeau would go ahead and do this without consulting his caucus first?

00:11:33.940 Absolutely not. I mean, we saw as recently as a year or so ago that Aaron O'Toole was doing exactly the same thing with the Conservatives, with their carbon tax that wasn't a carbon tax, with other decisions that he was making when it came to recognition of special status for Quebec, things like that.

00:11:58.700 shadow. He never consulted with even his senior members of parliament. He and a few paid staffers

00:12:07.220 made those types of decisions. And, you know, Bob's your uncle. Well, this is, we were talking

00:12:13.340 last week on the show about the centralization of power. I think Brian Peckford was talking about it

00:12:18.240 a couple of weeks ago here on the show, where, you know, all of the power essentially in the

00:12:23.900 federal government is centralized in the PMO and MPs have pretty much been neutered in our system

00:12:31.100 of government. What was it like when you were working with Stephen Harper and all of those

00:12:36.620 illustrious ministers back in those days? Was it like this or was it less so? Well, I'd have to say

00:12:43.860 that it was largely like this in the sense that the power was centralized around Stephen

00:12:50.980 and his office. When it came to the major decisions, if there was a difference of opinion

00:12:58.900 in the sense that if he could not persuade the cabinet and by extension the caucus and a decision

00:13:05.880 had to be made, then quite clearly he made it. I don't remember Shadow ever being completely

00:13:14.020 blindsided by a major announcement like we've seen over the last few years in both the Liberals and

00:13:20.700 the Conservatives under Stephen Harper. He was certainly more upfront when I was there

00:13:26.300 with his caucus, with his cabinet. As I say, if there was a dispute and he felt a decision had

00:13:33.860 to be made, he didn't shy away from making it. But to my knowledge, we never got blindsided the

00:13:41.040 way the caucuses have been recently over the last five to 10 years. Is it difficult for the leader

00:13:48.520 of a party. I mean, you're dealing with, in many cases, over 100 MPs. It's a large staff,

00:13:55.560 I suppose you could look at it as. And you've got to try and somehow connect with each one

00:14:02.100 of them on a personal level. How was Stephen Harper when it came to that? Did he have time

00:14:07.520 for everybody? Well, certainly he was available to everyone, as you can expect and as you're

00:14:13.920 suggesting. When you get into a situation where the caucus is very large, when you're in

00:14:18.140 government, certainly, but even at times in official opposition. It's very hard for a leader

00:14:23.980 to stay in touch constantly. I think the greatest example, to my knowledge, of a leader and a prime

00:14:31.380 minister being able to do that somehow, finding time in the day to do that, would be Brian Mulroney.

00:14:36.780 And that's why, even when his government and his party fell into great disfavor,

00:14:41.700 He still had that undying loyalty from his caucus.

00:14:46.220 So it's a huge job.

00:14:49.220 Stephen, like I think with all leaders, struggled at times with it.

00:14:54.860 But speaking as someone that is the longest-serving whip in parliamentary history,

00:15:01.940 I have the distinction, I'll say, of being...

00:15:08.900 Oh, Jay, we've lost your audio.

00:15:11.700 Sorry. We lost your audio. Oh, okay.

00:15:15.280 Go back about 10 seconds and I'll make sure that I didn't turn it off.

00:15:21.800 No, it just kind of garbled a little bit,

00:15:25.120 but it sounded like you were in the middle of a good story there. So.

00:15:28.500 I was just saying that I'm the longest serving whip.

00:15:30.920 I've served four times for four different entities entities for a reform party,

00:15:34.920 for the Canadian Alliance, for a short-lived, seven-month-old PCDR coalition in Parliament,

00:15:43.540 and then ultimately for the Conservative Party, both in opposition and in government,

00:15:47.620 I had that position as caucus whip.

00:15:51.140 And so the caucus whip, people don't understand this.

00:15:54.760 They think of the disciplinary part of the role, but the single biggest role is to do

00:16:00.040 exactly what you're suggesting on behalf of the leader to build those relationships

00:16:03.860 with each member of caucus and try to make sure that they're constantly informed and

00:16:09.160 that they're on side with major decisions that the party's making.

00:16:13.660 You know, that is an interesting point and something I wanted to ask.

00:16:16.760 And I do want to get, obviously, into the Maverick Party before the end of this discussion.

00:16:21.960 But I mean, you spent so many years, you know, in government, in opposition, 17 years in

00:16:27.860 the House of Commons. And you've seen all kinds of dealings, either shady behind closed doors or

00:16:34.780 otherwise. A whip. So as a whip, when you had somebody who was offside, an MP who maybe wanted

00:16:43.660 to introduce a private member's bill or somebody who wasn't really on side with what you guys were

00:16:51.200 doing. How would you handle something like that? Well, as you can expect, I mean, it's not any

00:16:58.600 different than in the private sector. If you've got someone that you believe that the management

00:17:03.700 believes is not behaving or operating in the best interests of the corporate culture, you have a lot

00:17:12.440 of discussions with them, first and foremost. I mean, you don't want to lose anybody and everyone's

00:17:17.960 got an opinion. And oftentimes, I found that by sitting down and talking, if there was an

00:17:23.840 opportunity to find some middle ground, that's what I would endeavor to do. I certainly communicated

00:17:30.640 constantly that my door was always open as the party whip to any of my colleagues. And Shadow,

00:17:39.880 So oftentimes people don't understand this, you know, I mean, really understand it, that members of parliament in the end are just people, the same as everybody else.

00:17:52.440 Some of them have addiction issues.

00:17:55.540 Some of them have children that go offside, shall we say, and partly because their mom or dad is away from home so much in far off Ottawa.

00:18:05.460 and so there's it's not clear and it's not cut and dried you know where you just say okay well

00:18:13.600 it's you know it's Stephen Harper's way or the highway kind of thing. I'm quite proud of the

00:18:18.760 fact that despite as I said being the longest serving whip having that position four different

00:18:24.680 times that there was only the opportunity or I wouldn't say the opportunity I guess

00:18:32.000 there was only the instance twice where members of parliament had to be removed from our caucus

00:18:41.480 the first was garth turner and the second one was bill casey what does it take for the party to

00:18:49.380 actually have to remove somebody from caucus is it a very very serious offense or is it obstinance or

00:18:55.280 combination of both things? Yeah, I would say a combination. I mean, people get entrenched in

00:19:02.220 their way of thinking. In the case of Bill Casey, he was a member of parliament from Nova Scotia,

00:19:10.160 long-serving member of parliament, dated all the way back to the Brian Mulroney PC days. And he

00:19:17.200 determined that he wasn't going to support our budget. Don't ask me what year it was. They all

00:19:22.880 run together at my age. But in any event, I tried and Stephen tried and everybody tried to talk him

00:19:30.540 out of taking that step. And I think most people understand that the budget and other money issues

00:19:38.700 are confidence votes. In other words, if the government fails on those votes, the government

00:19:46.260 falls and you end up in an election. And so you simply cannot allow your members of parliament

00:19:52.720 to vote against the government on confidence.

00:19:55.140 And indeed, that's what we started out discussing,

00:19:57.820 that the arrangement that Jagmeet Singh offered to Justin Trudeau

00:20:03.640 to get through to the full life of this parliament.

00:20:08.960 So, I mean, that shows you the extent that it takes for a whip

00:20:14.120 and acting on behalf of the leader and the caucus

00:20:17.800 to remove somebody as a member of that caucus.

00:20:22.140 And so usually it takes, you know, public, some sort of a public rebellion.

00:20:28.360 It takes voting against a government, in our case, a very weak minority government on a confidence motion that you just cannot have that.

00:20:39.640 In Garth Turner's case, it was someone that we knew was constantly leaking material.

00:20:46.440 He made no secret of it.

00:20:48.120 And no matter how hard I tried to talk him into becoming more of a team player, he chose a different route.

00:20:55.360 So, I mean, it's obviously, Shadow, it's the option of last resort, not only for the whip, but for the leader and the party.

00:21:04.760 It must have been difficult for you, too, over those years, because you had reform and then you had the Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservative Party was still a party back then.

00:21:18.160 And so, you know, moving all of those different right of center people into one party, which eventually became the Conservative Party of Canada, you must still have had all kinds of division within that.

00:21:32.900 I mean, behind closed doors anyway, all kinds of division within the party ranks.

00:21:37.440 And that must have been a lot of turmoil and a lot of antacid for a lot of people.

00:21:43.800 Absolutely.

00:21:44.360 Absolutely. You know, and I'll just throw this one little story out, I guess, and it's not unique to me. There were different times being a very strong fiscal conservative from Western Canada. In fact, we were going to get to the story about what motivated me to do this.

00:22:01.620 And it's the same thing that motivated me to get involved in federal politics to begin with.

00:22:08.000 And there were times when I would walk into caucus and, you know, people before the meeting started, there was invariably some of our members of parliament and senators that were in the room and there would be informal discussions.

00:22:23.180 And I would overhear some of the people, for example, from Atlantic Canada talking.

00:22:27.960 And I wondered whether I had wandered into the NDP caucus room by mistake.

00:22:33.980 You should write a book. I'd love to hear your experiences through that time.

00:22:39.400 One more question before we get into the Maverick Party, and that is you retired in 2010.

00:22:44.640 But I think Justin Trudeau was a liberal MP right around then.

00:22:50.220 And if not then, probably soon after that.

00:22:53.080 A small role in the liberal party at that time.

00:22:57.540 Did you guys see him coming?

00:23:00.300 Oh, absolutely.

00:23:01.820 Yeah.

00:23:02.180 In fact, I clearly remember the first day he was in the House of Commons.

00:23:07.480 And after question period, I thought I should meet this guy.

00:23:11.260 And as a veteran member of Parliament, even from a different party, I should go and welcome him to the chamber.

00:23:17.080 It is a very, despite everything you read and hear, it is still a very honorable job, I believe.

00:23:29.060 And it's humbling for most to represent people in our nation's parliament.

00:23:36.660 So anyway, I crossed over the floor and sat down beside him after QP and had a conversation with him.

00:23:45.520 And I can tell you it took me about five minutes to figure out just how shallow this fellow is.

00:23:52.880 And it's a big reason why I was so appalled when he not only swept in as the next leader of the Liberal Party,

00:24:01.940 basically it was a coronation, as we know, but then ultimately defeated what I believe was the most qualified prime minister we ever had,

00:24:10.820 who is Stephen Harper, and he defeated them because, you know,

00:24:15.900 he's got nice hair and wanted to take selfies

00:24:19.040 throughout a very lengthy campaign.

00:24:22.520 And people lapped up, and we were talking offline

00:24:26.080 before the show, Shadow, about celebrity politics.

00:24:30.080 You know, it's a spinoff of Hollywood, and unfortunately,

00:24:34.100 that's what we have in democratic countries today

00:24:37.240 and why we have such weak leadership,

00:24:40.120 not only in canada but around the world well we were talking about you know how people vote uh

00:24:47.060 federally provincially it doesn't matter you need to have a face most people need to have a face as

00:24:52.800 the person they're voting for that's why we have leaders debates for goodness sakes during uh

00:24:57.760 during an election uh but that's not how we should be voting right i mean like what we're doing

00:25:05.340 essentially is we're sending an MP from our riding off to Ottawa to represent us. We're not

00:25:12.060 necessarily representing, or sorry, voting for the leader of the party, and yet that's how people

00:25:18.040 think they are voting. You had a great breakdown of it before he went on the air, the three ways

00:25:23.420 that people vote. Well, that's right. I mean, and polling consistently shows this. It can ebb and

00:25:30.820 flow a little bit, depending on who the leader is and the party. But primarily, when people go

00:25:36.220 behind the cardboard and cast their ballot, the first, the number one reason they're going to

00:25:42.060 vote is because of their perception of the leader of that party. Whether they believe they can trust

00:25:48.500 him, whether he's saying the right things, whether he's got nice hair, apparently, or he's got nice

00:25:53.180 teeth, I don't know. But it's primarily the leader that's going to decide that person's vote.

00:25:59.240 And I say that's quite unfortunate, but that's the reality.

00:26:03.580 Secondly, it's the party, their platform in the election campaign, the promises they are making that will attract people.

00:26:11.460 And, of course, part and parcel of that is sort of the hereditary voting habits.

00:26:16.960 I'll say, you know, well, my grandfather voted NDP or CCF and my father voted NDP.

00:26:23.580 So I'm going to vote NDP. And that's about the extent of the thinking.

00:26:26.540 And then lastly, it's the local candidate that they actually are ironically voting for that determines their vote, their ballot.

00:26:38.740 And certainly that's been my observation.

00:26:42.080 The ultimate threat, if you will, when I couldn't get any member of parliament on side was to suggest to them,

00:26:51.160 well, if they felt that strongly about something, well, then step outside of the caucus and run as

00:26:56.500 an independent. And very few of them chose to do that. We had an instance where two of them

00:27:02.900 did it from within the parties that I was in. First, Chuck Cadman, and then Bill Casey,

00:27:10.640 the fellow I was talking about earlier, actually proved how popular he was in his riding by winning

00:27:16.060 as an independent and then he later crossed to the liberal party but it's very very difficult

00:27:21.860 in our system to do that to win as an independent member of parliament yeah did you guys have a

00:27:27.960 problem with imaging for Stephen Harper I mean like I I would tend to agree with your earlier

00:27:32.620 statement that uh Stephen was probably the most qualified prime minister we've had in Canada

00:27:37.540 to date but his image was you know kind of a dud right i mean he was quiet uh he didn't carry a

00:27:46.780 lot of cachet uh even though you know i spent time in ottawa myself for 2006 2007 and made friends

00:27:52.720 with a couple of guys on his security force and they said he was a great guy like a fun-loving

00:27:57.640 guy told jokes but it just never translated once he got behind a podium or or in front of a camera

00:28:03.580 Was there any way that you could have made him a little bit more personable?

00:28:09.980 Well, absolutely. And I'm not a psychologist, Shadow, so I don't know why, you know, what makes people tick ultimately.

00:28:21.200 But, yeah, many of us that were close to Stephen over the years often would remark, you know, the way you are in a private conversation,

00:28:31.100 Even the way you are at the podium in caucus, telling jokes, doing impersonations, you know, just being a human being.

00:28:42.220 You know, if you could just let that be the Stephen Harper that the public sees, you would be way more electable and popular.

00:28:51.460 No question about it.

00:28:52.560 And then secondly, I remarked to him one time, I said, if we could translate how your peers on the international stage see you and measure you and translate that to the domestic market back at home in Canada, you would be prime minister as long as you wanted the job because he was so revered and respected on the international stage.

00:29:17.660 And why is that? It's because he was a leader in every form of the word.

00:29:22.560 And so it was very frustrating for those of us that knew the whole Stephen, I'll say, that this image of him that was partially painted by mainstream Ottawa media that obviously do not like to support Conservatives, even when we do something right, that they painted this image of Stephen that was not Stephen Harper.

00:29:47.460 And I often feared that if Stephen ever had to run in an election campaign where the ballot question for most Canadians came down to, when they went behind the cardboard, it came down to, do you like Stephen Harper, that he was doomed to lose.

00:30:06.520 speaking of leadership you came out of retirement after 10 years a couple of years ago and uh took

00:30:14.680 the role as the interim leader of the brand new maverick party which i guess was the wexit party

00:30:19.860 before that but you you've been retired jay retired for 10 years you've done your bit for

00:30:25.480 king and country uh and i would hazard a guess myself that if if that were me i probably would

00:30:31.900 have left it to the younger people to go ahead and carry that load because i've done my bit and

00:30:35.940 now it's your turn, but you came back. Why? Well, it's an interesting story. In the mid-80s,

00:30:45.120 I was building a pretty profitable farm up in the Peace River country with one brother and my

00:30:52.500 father. We were expanding it. I had three young children, but I got involved first, Shadow, with

00:30:59.940 farm politics and came to the notice of a new party. At the time, it wasn't even a party. It

00:31:07.720 was an association. It was called the Reform Association. And some of the people up there

00:31:12.680 noticed me, noticed things that I was saying, how I presented myself, and they encouraged me to get

00:31:19.080 involved in this association. Ultimately, when the party was less than a year old, I decided

00:31:25.640 that unless people from what I always and I still call the real world, if they didn't get involved

00:31:33.460 and left politics to the politicians, the country was in dire straits. And so, yeah, I got involved

00:31:41.980 in politics because I had three young children and the deficits then were running something like

00:31:48.000 $40 billion a year, it was rapidly approaching a Canadian debt of $600 billion that were going to

00:31:57.960 be handed to future generations, including my three kids. And so I got involved with the Reform

00:32:04.360 Party. The party was less than a year old when I ran, as did a number of people across Western

00:32:10.080 Canada only in 1988. And we all lost, of course, just as Mavericks did this last time.

00:32:18.000 I stayed involved, won in 93, and went on to win five more times, so six times elected to Parliament.

00:32:28.360 And what motivated me to get involved is exactly what motivated a lot of people towards the Reform Party,

00:32:36.420 which was that they saw that the old parties, the old traditional parties, the PCs, the Liberals, the NDP,

00:32:42.440 were not acting in their best interests.

00:32:48.000 And, and so they look for a new party. And so what happened two years ago, I was retired by

00:32:56.540 then, but for only a year or two, maybe a year and a half shadow. When I left politics, I moved

00:33:03.600 to Calgary because my kids and soon to be grandkids were there. And I moved to Calgary. And

00:33:12.380 And I came to the realization that I had to actually make some money because despite what people think, you don't make much money as a politician.

00:33:23.000 And so I hung out a shingle as a one-man firm for government relations, did that up until I retired.

00:33:31.280 and but after I'd been retired for about a year and a half in this the early spring of 2020 right

00:33:39.060 as COVID was really hitting I woke up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and I had

00:33:45.980 been having a nightmare I guess you could say shadow it had to do with Trudeau right Trudeau

00:33:51.220 was running our country into the ground yeah well that's part of it the other was is that

00:33:56.540 I had this nightmare where I was laying on my deathbed hopefully it's not for a few years yet

00:34:02.780 and I was looking into the eyes of my grandchildren and realized that given the privilege that I had

00:34:10.840 had to develop this political experience I could have tried to do something to build them a better

00:34:17.160 future to draw attention to the disaster that's facing our nation and our children and grandchildren

00:34:23.960 And instead, I just chose to stay comfortably retired. And really, Shadow, it sounds corny, but that's what motivated me to come out of retirement, approach seven other people, three that had already been involved in Wexit Canada.

00:34:42.880 Why Wexit?

00:34:44.120 It was because the party was available and they'd already gone through the initial stages of seeking registration with Elections Canada.

00:34:52.700 So some of the work had been done.

00:34:54.580 So rather than start from scratch.

00:34:56.220 But once myself and the other seven people that formed that first board got involved, we moved very quickly over the summer to develop a whole new mission statement, new principles, new policies, a new constitution for the party.

00:35:12.160 and ultimately a new name.

00:35:14.840 And so that's a quick synopsis of what happened to Jay Hill

00:35:19.360 in the early times of the COVID virus epidemic.

00:35:25.520 Okay, so here's the website.

00:35:27.900 We're going to bring it up here so people can see this is our mission.

00:35:32.020 Maverick strives to achieve greater fairness and self-determination

00:35:34.920 for Western Canadians through constitutional change

00:35:37.940 or the creation of an independent nation.

00:35:40.500 All right. So what is the temperature, in your opinion, for an independent nation, for actual separation from the country, from Canada?

00:35:55.120 I mean, it must be getting hotter, especially in the last week or so with this liberal NDP coalition.

00:36:02.040 well i sense that it is but polls will consistently tell you a shadow and and i don't

00:36:10.420 take any heart obviously from this but uh is that still the majority of westerners are not prepared

00:36:18.560 to abandon canada i don't know where that number comes out it would vary uh rural to urban it would

00:36:26.660 vary from province to province. It might be strongest right now in rural Saskatchewan,

00:36:33.540 but traditionally the Prairie West has that strongest sense that we would be better off

00:36:41.080 on our own. So if we can't get separation, at least we have to have the threat of it,

00:36:48.420 much like Quebec has done over the years, the threat of it to scare the federal government

00:36:52.580 into possibly reopening the Constitution to create a better deal for people in the West,

00:36:58.440 maybe to get rid of some of these carbon taxes or maybe come up with a more fair deal,

00:37:03.980 because it seems as though Western people are paying more with this carbon tax than anybody living in urban areas,

00:37:09.960 just based upon the distances they have to drive to get to places, the equipment they have to use to farm lands

00:37:17.540 or just to draw oil out of the ground.

00:37:21.520 I mean, the cost of energy is enormous and the carbon tax makes it more so.

00:37:26.360 So what constitutional changes would the Maverick Party be proposing?

00:37:32.820 Well, it's interesting you say that.

00:37:35.000 That was one of the things in the fall of 2020 that I set out to do.

00:37:39.720 I need to throw out the caveat right now that I'm not a lawyer

00:37:43.740 and certainly not a constitutional lawyer or scholar.

00:37:47.540 But I did solicit the assistance of a very renowned constitutional professor of law,

00:37:56.840 and he assisted me, and we eventually drew up five constitutional amendments,

00:38:03.300 which people can find on our website.

00:38:06.300 We're very open about it.

00:38:07.580 they deal with the, for example, the one deals with gaining actual market access for our natural

00:38:19.120 resources. And obviously we're talking primarily here about oil and natural gas. And interestingly,

00:38:24.740 with the current war that Russia has launched against Ukraine, that's very much a global issue

00:38:33.780 at the moment. This whole issue of supply for Europe, for natural gas and oil, both. And of

00:38:41.420 course, Canada could be providing a huge part of what the needs of Europeans are right now,

00:38:48.240 if only we could get our product to market. And I think most Westerners certainly understand that.

00:38:54.560 And so market access is enshrined in one of those constitutional amendments where the provinces

00:39:00.840 would have that ability and that right, if you will, over and above the right to their

00:39:07.760 natural resources to develop them and, you know, bring them to market, but actually get

00:39:15.260 them to market, which has been the big challenge for a number of years now.

00:39:21.300 You know, I don't have the list of them, and it's been a while since anybody asked me about

00:39:25.120 it, so I'd have to go back and read them myself, Shadow, but suffice it to say, we've

00:39:30.760 thought these through, is there any opportunity or do I foresee an opportunity where Central and

00:39:37.160 Eastern Canada and all 10 provinces would agree to these constitutional amendments? No. I mean,

00:39:43.200 obviously, there's very little chance that this will ever come about. As you just said,

00:39:48.240 one of the big differences between Jay Hill and Maverick Party and all the other parties

00:39:54.840 and most other politicians is I'm not afraid to talk about independence.

00:40:00.260 And, for example, my premier, Jason Kenney,

00:40:04.080 always wraps himself in the Canadian flag and says,

00:40:07.040 look, I'm not going to even go down that path to talk about potential separation.

00:40:12.100 He doesn't like that word.

00:40:13.760 He doesn't like to talk about independence.

00:40:16.200 And I, like you, like what you just said,

00:40:19.000 I've always maintained that we can learn from Quebec

00:40:22.140 And that if we're not at least willing to talk about the possibility, we're never going to get anything.

00:40:29.060 So what does Mavericks, you know, what is our mission really about in the end if we're not going to be likely not going to be able to achieve constitutional amendments to give us the fairness, respect and future that Westerners are seeking?

00:40:45.560 Well, I believe then we have to move incrementally.

00:40:48.920 It largely has to be the provinces that do it.

00:40:51.460 I'm heartened by people like Scott Moe that have moved in this direction.

00:40:55.540 He actually took that term, a nation within a nation, and attached it to Saskatchewan a couple of months ago for that.

00:41:03.080 The pundits and the media laughed at him.

00:41:06.140 But I thought, good on you, Scott, standing up for the people of Saskatchewan and poking a stick in the eye of central Canada and Quebec in particular.

00:41:17.400 So, you know, I think that there are things that I know there are things that the provinces can do if they have the intestinal fortitude to do it.

00:41:25.620 I mean, for example, Premier Kenney is great at challenging Trudeau and the Ottawa cabal elite.

00:41:39.960 But what really is he done?

00:41:42.960 We have had that fair deal panel of eminent scholars.

00:41:46.680 that drafted a list of recommendations that were given to the province months ago, if not a year ago.

00:41:53.740 I can't remember the date.

00:41:55.540 What has he done about that?

00:41:56.860 With the exception of appointing a Alberta firearms officer, I don't think he's done anything.

00:42:03.520 And, you know, so we can run down part of that list if you like, Shadow.

00:42:09.160 But sure. I mean, to open the Constitution in the first place, you need, what, seven of the 10 provinces to agree and then 50 percent of the population of the country.

00:42:18.480 So even that would be an issue. But if if there were to be some kind of separation, do you see it as just being Alberta or Alberta and Saskatchewan or Manitoba?

00:42:32.660 Because I don't know about the desire for separation here in Manitoba.

00:42:38.520 Manitoba seems to be an outlier within the prairie provinces.

00:42:42.100 And then British Columbia, do you see new boundaries being drawn?

00:42:45.700 Have you thought this far ahead?

00:42:48.100 Absolutely. 0.82

00:42:49.360 And for that, I give full credit to the Mohawks in the 1995 referendum campaign in Quebec, Shadow,

00:43:00.300 because they pushed the issue, if you'll recall, when Mr. Bouchard and the name of the Premier,

00:43:09.060 Quebec Premier at the time, escapes me at the moment.

00:43:12.020 But anyway, when they were pushing Quebecers to vote yes for separation in that referendum,

00:43:18.680 the First Nations in Quebec said, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.

00:43:23.040 Just because, you know, you decide Quebec's leaving doesn't mean that Quebec is going to be the same boundaries

00:43:29.460 that it currently has in Confederation.

00:43:33.740 And, you know, constitutionally, if the Supreme Court says

00:43:39.660 that the country is divisible, then so too are provinces.

00:43:44.380 And the Supreme Court actually recognized the validity of that argument.

00:43:49.480 And so people need to remember that in the future for Western Canada.

00:43:54.180 And when people say, well, you know, even if Alberta and Saskatchewan,

00:43:58.180 for example, decided to leave and formed a new nation, with all the challenges that presents,

00:44:06.900 you know, you'd still be landlocked. I hear this all the time. And I say, well, wait a minute.

00:44:12.300 You know, if the people of British Columbia decided that they too wanted to join this new

00:44:19.220 nation, rather than basically be the Alaska of the United States, in other words, completely

00:44:25.220 be cut off from the remainder of the country, which would be what would be facing British

00:44:29.580 Columbia at that point, I would think that based on my knowledge and my riding of Prince

00:44:36.200 George Peace River, which is about a quarter of the landmass of British Columbia up in

00:44:41.280 the northeast corner, runs all the way up to the Yukon, I would say that the majority

00:44:46.680 of the rural British Columbians

00:44:50.180 on north of Hope, B.C.,

00:44:53.800 would likely vote to join this new country.

00:44:59.040 You know, I don't hold out that much hope

00:45:01.520 for the lower mainland, for Vancouver and Vancouver Island.

00:45:06.520 They might have to sit back and watch their economy

00:45:10.140 go in the tank, being cut off from the rest of their country,

00:45:13.660 from Canada before they would finally try to cut a deal with the new entity.

00:45:19.060 But what I'm driving at here, Shadow, is that there already is a constitutional argument

00:45:24.980 for provinces to be divisible too.

00:45:27.700 So just because perhaps Winnipeg wouldn't want to join the new prairie country doesn't

00:45:34.440 mean that parts of Manitoba wouldn't see that it made more sense than staying with

00:45:41.060 central and eastern Canada.

00:45:42.380 Well, I will tell you this, and I'm sure you've seen this for years, there is definitely a difference in attitudes between urban and rural. With the new entity, you'd have freedom to get the oil to market, but how would you get it there if you couldn't use the coastal ports of British Columbia? Would it be a pipeline scenario or maybe Hudson Bay up in northern Manitoba?

00:46:06.140 uh you know it could be both uh i i actually wrote a newspaper column a couple of years ago

00:46:14.500 and part of it was a little bit tongue-in-cheek shadow because i talked about how eastern canada

00:46:20.440 refuses to allow us to build a pipeline to get western oil to the refineries in uh in quebec and

00:46:29.780 and New Brunswick. And yet they have no problem constantly buying oil from Saudi Arabia or

00:46:37.440 Nigeria or Venezuela, wherever. So a little tongue in cheek, I said, well, if we were our

00:46:43.400 own country, because they don't want to accept it from Western Canada, but if we were our own

00:46:48.240 country and we had a pipeline to Churchill for at least part of the year, we could ship tankers

00:46:54.440 around Quebec and deliver our oil as a separate nation to those refineries.

00:47:01.900 I mean, we would be a foreign country.

00:47:07.260 That's true.

00:47:08.180 I mean, that's the irony of this crazy situation where parts of Canada turn up their nose at

00:47:15.320 the most environmentally sound ethical oil, it's been called, and I agree with that terminology,

00:47:22.460 in the world and they turn up their nose about it but they don't think twice about stopping their

00:47:28.980 car at a gas pump in Ontario and Toronto or wherever down in central Canada and eastern

00:47:35.880 Canada and filling up with Saudi Arabia oil so it makes no sense to anybody in western Canada

00:47:42.980 and increasingly we're getting damn fed up with it so Jay how much of a I understand Alberta is

00:47:49.360 absolutely the home base for the Maverick Party, but is there opportunity for growth? Do you see

00:47:54.880 that in Manitoba and certain areas of British Columbia? I know Saskatchewan, at least rural

00:48:00.320 Saskatchewan would be on board with this. What is your plan to get the message of the Maverick

00:48:06.420 Party out there? Well, part of it, Sharo, is that we've had a huge handicap. I mean, I've had people

00:48:14.720 say to me first of all kind of along the lines of your your question about what possessed me to do

00:48:21.180 this come out of retirement to lead this neophyte uh party uh you know try to build a party from 0.85

00:48:30.500 scratch and then secondly i've said to people have said to me you must truly be crazy because

00:48:36.140 you decided to do it in the midst of a a pandemic where everybody was locked down how the hell do

00:48:41.980 you get your message out.

00:48:43.740 And so we've had to rely almost entirely on social media to, you know,

00:48:50.280 present Maverick Party and our policies and platform and our mission to Western Canadians.

00:48:59.660 And so it's been slow going.

00:49:01.480 We did have one candidate, Laurie Austin, up in Dauphin, Swan River in Manitoba,

00:49:08.880 rural Manitoba in the last election campaign.

00:49:11.980 And like the 28 others that we were able to get organized and put through a pretty extensive screening situation process to become a Maverick candidate, you know, one of the worst things for a new party can be summed up in one word, and that's credibility.

00:49:32.620 Most new parties self-destruct because, you know, they get one person that's saying something outlandish and totally outside of the party and it destroys credibility instantly.

00:49:46.840 And so we had a very stringent candidate selection process.

00:49:53.380 We had three former colleagues of mine, members of parliament that were that committee that made up that committee.

00:50:01.260 And so we were only able to get 29 candidates organized and in place to run in the campaign.

00:50:08.140 But we did have one in Manitoba.

00:50:09.960 I think we had two in British Columbia.

00:50:15.220 So almost the vast majority of them, you're quite right, were in Alberta and I think seven in Saskatchewan.

00:50:22.360 Tamara Leach is a part of the organization, yes?

00:50:26.140 She was.

00:50:27.400 When she first started to organize what became known as the Freedom Convoy,

00:50:32.540 we had a long chat.

00:50:33.840 She offered her resignation.

00:50:35.400 We talked about what the goals of the convoy were.

00:50:38.540 I didn't see any problem at that point in time.

00:50:41.940 And so we agreed that she would not resign.

00:50:46.740 But once she got down there and things developed the way they did

00:50:51.260 with the demonstration in Ottawa, we had another conversation.

00:50:56.440 And she again offered to resign.

00:50:59.460 And we thought it was in the best interest of not only herself, but for the Maverick Party for her to resign.

00:51:06.780 And so she has.

00:51:08.080 She was one of the original eight.

00:51:09.840 When I mentioned earlier about that there was eight of us that started the party back in June of 2020, Tamara was the last surviving director, along with myself, at the point of her resignation here a couple months ago.

00:51:26.440 Tamara, you know, I think I don't think I know she's gotten a terrible rap from the left wing corporate media for being far right knuckle dragging member of the Maverick Party, almost like the Maverick Party was some kind of a pariah that you couldn't ever say in front of decent people for fear that they might burn alive or something.

00:51:46.900 I mean, how much has the left-wing, and that's what I call the mainstream media, by the way, the left-wing corporate media, how much of a role can they play in demonizing a party like the Maverick Party or even the People's Party of Canada before legal action can be taken?

00:52:04.880 Is that something that could be done?

00:52:07.720 Because the demonizing that they've been doing to parties like yours does not at all seem legal to me.

00:52:14.740 Yeah. Well, I agree with you completely. I mean, and people do worry about where we're headed when we basically have the mainstream media that is arguably bought and paid for by taxpayers, ironically.

00:52:34.040 Exactly. And we're the ones that when I say we, I lump myself in as a taxpayer that are supporting the mainstream media.

00:52:43.920 And yet increasingly, we cannot get what I would say, unbiased news from them.

00:52:51.980 You know, even with this coalition, if you look at a lot of the headlines with CBC, well, with all three of the networks, CBC, CTV and Global, the main papers.

00:53:04.040 They were all on the track of, oh, almost like, thank goodness that Singh is supportive

00:53:12.140 of this alliance with Trudeau, because that means that we'll have stability for the next

00:53:21.140 three and a half years.

00:53:22.780 Never mind that these guys are going to destroy Canada in the next three and a half years.

00:53:28.740 We're well down that track now.

00:53:30.780 We've passed a trillion dollars in debt.

00:53:34.120 As I said earlier, this is near and dear to my heart.

00:53:37.660 I have three young grandchildren now, and it worries me to no end.

00:53:43.580 And I don't understand why every Canadian, that every thinking Canadian isn't concerned about the future for their children and their grandchildren and even future generations after that.

00:53:54.640 Who is going to pay for all of this spending that you talked about earlier in the broadcast as well?

00:54:01.040 Well, the globalist agenda seems to be moving fast across our country. You know, Pierre Polyev, you worked with him in caucus the last few years you were a member. Is he a globalist?

00:54:14.180 No, not at all.

00:54:16.300 No, I like Pierre a lot.

00:54:18.060 In fact, I would say that I was one of a number of mentors,

00:54:21.020 along with people like John Baird and others, with Pierre when he was very young.

00:54:27.180 And I'll just say Pierre has always been known to be a bit abrasive

00:54:31.900 in the way he presents himself.

00:54:34.940 And, of course, Western Canadians love that in a politician.

00:54:38.660 They want someone that's going to kick the slats, figuratively speaking.

00:54:43.440 out of the other parties and stand up for what they believe is right. 0.71

00:54:48.620 I need to point out here, though, Shadow, that, you know,

00:54:53.560 I worked within the system for 17 years, actually longer than that,

00:54:58.460 because as I said, I ran in 88,

00:55:00.160 stayed involved in the reform party for five years before I was ever elected.

00:55:03.860 So arguably like 22 years.

00:55:07.180 And the realization I came to, and I've said this repeatedly over the last two years when I've been speaking with people, is that Jay Hill is a slow learner.

00:55:20.080 But at least I learned.

00:55:22.800 The system does not allow proper representation of Western Canada.

00:55:29.440 It never has.

00:55:30.620 It never will.

00:55:31.440 So whether we elect Pierre Polivier or we elect, you know, Aaron O'Toole or Andrew Scheer or anybody else to become a prime minister leading a conservative government, we will never get a fair shake from a system that is built under the old colonial rules back in the 1800s to take advantage of Western Canada.

00:55:54.460 It just will not happen.

00:55:56.260 And I came to that realization, and that's why I started speaking out about independence, whether it's autonomy, whether it's the provinces that learn from the Quebec model and end up with a more autonomous future for their provinces and their people, or whether we end up going the whole way and actually strive for independence, an independent sovereign nation.

00:56:24.280 I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball, but I know something has got to happen to end the insanity of electing and voting conservative just because our parents and grandparents did.

00:56:36.780 Jay, you, as we've talked about, you came out of retirement to be the interim leader of the Maverick Party, but you're not going to stay there forever, hence the title interim.

00:56:45.060 You were telling me before we hit the air tonight that there's a couple of younger people who are vying for this new leadership.

00:56:51.640 Can you tell us who they are and maybe a bit about them?

00:56:54.280 Sure. Both of them ran for Maverick Party in the last election. Tarek El-Naga is a recent

00:57:01.740 immigrant from the UAE, the United Arab Emirates. I think he's been in the country for about 10

00:57:08.480 years now. Obviously, he's a Canadian citizen to buy for this job and to run in the last election 0.85

00:57:13.080 campaign. He lives in Airdrie. He has embraced the Western culture and lifestyle, and he's

00:57:20.600 actually a competitive roper. And so you see this fellow of Egyptian heritage, 1.00

00:57:28.420 you know, with his beard and proudly wearing a cowboy hat. And he's very much a Western Canadian

00:57:36.440 that has stepped forward for Maverick because he understands, even though he's only been in

00:57:41.880 the country maybe a decade, he understands how badly Western Canada is treated under confederation.

00:57:49.900 The other gentleman is up in Valley View, a real family man.

00:57:53.880 His name's Colin Krieger.

00:57:55.140 He was the candidate up there, did reasonably well for an upstart new party.

00:58:01.080 Solid individual.

00:58:03.580 He not only has children of his own, but he and his wife also adopt.

00:58:10.400 They foster kids as well.

00:58:13.220 And, you know, oil field background, truck driver, you name it.

00:58:17.580 The strength shadow of the Reform Party in those early days was we were people from the real world.

00:58:25.740 And if you look at the background for the 52 members of parliament reform sent in 93 to Ottawa, we were people like myself, farmers, ranchers, truck drivers, doctors, nurses, a former retired army general, a former fighter pilot.

00:58:44.340 And you go down the list. We had one part-time lawyer, one out of 52. The rest of the people came from the same world you live and work in, Shadow. And yes, we even had one that was a former broadcaster.

00:59:01.100 So that's what we're striving for with Maverick, to get back to that, where we just have people like Tarek and Colin and many, many others that will run for Maverick next time around and hopefully get elected to Parliament to represent Westerners.

00:59:17.020 Are you going to stay involved, Jay?

00:59:19.460 Absolutely. I've talked to both of these gentlemen.

00:59:22.380 They want me to stay involved in sort of a mentorship founder type of role.

00:59:27.720 You know, I have no problem going out on a speaking circuit again.

00:59:30.820 I actually enjoy meeting people and speaking with them, hold over.

00:59:35.960 And, of course, as a former, I used to be a recovering politician,

00:59:39.860 or at least I thought so, you know, don't dare give them a microphone.

00:59:42.900 A recovering politician.

00:59:44.500 You've seen that tonight, Shadow.

00:59:47.040 You give them a microphone and a stage and you can't shut them up.

00:59:51.600 So, no, you know, I put two years.

00:59:53.840 My wife has put two years of full-time effort into building Maverick, as many, many others.

01:00:00.220 You mentioned Tamara, people like her.

01:00:02.660 And I owe it to the 35,000 people that voted Maverick last fall to stay involved and help all that I can.

01:00:11.000 And mostly, I owe it to my grandchildren.

01:00:15.020 One more question before I let you go, Jay.

01:00:17.780 We've heard things about Preston Manning over the years, a lot of good things.

01:00:23.820 What was the guy?

01:00:25.140 What is the guy really like?

01:00:27.800 Well, I think Preston is very much what you see is what you get.

01:00:32.020 He's coming up on his 80th birthday and he's still very much involved.

01:00:37.140 He still very much believes in people being involved in politics.

01:00:41.120 He taught me very early on that terrific adage, Shadow, that the irony of democratic society is that those people that fail to get involved in politics are destined to be governed by those that do.

01:00:58.580 And, you know, I have tried to adhere to that.

01:01:01.420 I've tried to teach that to my children and someday my grandchildren that, you know, you have to get involved.

01:01:07.780 I don't care which party that you might believe in.

01:01:11.120 Obviously, I believe very strongly, as I said, that all of the old parties have abandoned the West.

01:01:16.340 They only want the West as a cash cow and as a base of support.

01:01:21.880 Preston's just a great guy.

01:01:23.320 He's still a terrific friend.

01:01:24.480 I still talk to him probably quarterly every two or three months.

01:01:28.700 And I've talked to him about Maverick.

01:01:31.320 Where we part company, as I do with Jason Kenney and others, is this idea of some form of independence.

01:01:38.240 He's a very strong Canadian and he has trouble,

01:01:41.900 but he does believe in what I'm doing.

01:01:44.500 And he most recently said to me, he said,

01:01:47.540 thank you, Jay, for doing something.

01:01:51.420 Because so many don't step forward out of the shadows

01:01:55.060 to actually do something.

01:01:56.360 They just talk about it.

01:01:57.980 Thank you, Jay, for doing something

01:02:00.060 and for being on the show tonight.

01:02:02.740 Maverickparty.ca, you guys,

01:02:04.920 if you want to go check it out, explore it for yourselves.

01:02:06.800 maverickparty.ca jay hopefully we can do this again uh very soon good luck with everything my

01:02:13.020 friend thank you very much and i really appreciate that you had me on and we had a great conversation

01:02:19.440 absolutely thank you jay uh jay hill long time uh conservative mp from prince george british

01:02:28.560 columbia now the interim leader of the maverick party of canada maverickparty.ca guys this is

01:02:34.200 what we've been talking about for the past month.

01:02:37.440 How are we going to do something?

01:02:40.620 How are we going to get our country back?

01:02:42.940 How do we get our province back?

01:02:44.900 How do we get our municipality back?

01:02:48.200 How do we do this?

01:02:49.880 We got to take it back.

01:02:51.720 Well, there's two ways to do that.

01:02:53.980 Number one, well, maybe three ways.

01:02:56.820 Number one, you can go guns a-blazing,

01:03:00.740 but I don't think any of us have an appetite for that.

01:03:04.200 Number two, you can try and do it through the courts. But as we pointed out last night with the Grizzly Patriot, not so much tonight, but I, you know, I didn't want to really talk about the possible corruption of some of our judges within the provincial and federal judicial systems.

01:03:20.300 But guys, it looks to me and like to many others, like there is definitely some taint in there. 0.89

01:03:28.620 Thirdly, we can go and do it ourselves.

01:03:31.580 And that means we need to get involved in these elections.

01:03:36.100 In Manitoba, there is a civic election coming up in October.

01:03:42.200 That means mayors, city councillors, school trustees.

01:03:47.440 reeves we're going to be voting from the ground up that's what this is about you guys

01:03:55.100 the ground up jay pointed it out tonight grizzly patriot pointed out last night and we've had it

01:04:02.580 pointed out all through the show for weeks and weeks and weeks now this has got to be a grassroots

01:04:09.300 movement the truckers started something for us they started a grassroots movement you may have

01:04:15.300 been part of it you may have met some of the truckers at one of their stops along the way

01:04:19.480 you may have been waving at them from an overpass or from a roadside a service road somewhere

01:04:25.280 they started something in here in our hearts no matter what the left-wing corporate media has

01:04:32.320 told you no matter what any provincial or federal government has told you told us about the intent

01:04:40.280 of these people or or some of the brainwashed who still go on social media saying it was an

01:04:45.800 occupation you know what an occupation is you go in there and you take over a country or a region

01:04:50.460 with guns this was not an occupation it was not illegal not by any letter of the law in this

01:04:59.180 country all right we have to get involved i get emails every day shadow what can i do to help

01:05:07.440 well you can do anything to help you can buy tickets for the next freedom social this

01:05:12.360 coming friday at the thirsty lion it's sold out but we're going to be doing more buy a ticket for

01:05:18.600 a social organize an event in your area a freedom event in your area get some speakers out get some

01:05:25.860 people who are able to motivate others leaders get them involved in your area guys there's more

01:05:32.320 of us out there than you know right there's more of us out there than you think there are

01:05:38.680 just that some people are so scared to even bring up this topic of freedom

01:05:44.400 that they never say anything and the person sitting next to you on the bus or in a restaurant

01:05:50.700 or in a lineup somewhere may feel the same way you do we have to we have to get them they're there

01:05:58.840 we just have to get them how do we get them through social functions

01:06:03.860 there's people out there who believe in what we're doing they just don't want to come to a rally

01:06:10.640 maybe they can work from behind the scenes everybody's got a different role to play in all

01:06:16.680 of this but i believe that we need to start lining up candidates for city councils candidates for 0.90

01:06:24.880 school trustee especially school trustee with the the crap they're bringing into law in ontario 0.70

01:06:31.240 that critical race theory will now be absolutely lawful enshrined in law in ontario that's not good 0.97

01:06:41.320 for anybody university elections another thing if you have a university-aged son or daughter get

01:06:53.720 them involved in university politics we're our own change guys we are the ones but we have to do it

01:07:03.700 we can't sit we can't sit on the sidelines we can't sit on the couch anymore waiting for somebody else

01:07:09.580 to do it all right i had one more piece of news tonight speaking of guns and and insurrection or

01:07:19.120 an occupation that they're trying to call it that happened in ottawa well the ottawa police chief

01:07:25.060 according to true north tnc.news the ottawa police chief admitted no firearms were discovered at the

01:07:32.860 freedom convoy you see that's why all of the leaders were arrested for mischief and inciting

01:07:40.360 mischief because there were no other charges they could get them on despite earlier allegations by

01:07:46.400 unnamed sources and it's always unnamed sources by the way ottawa police interim chief steve bell

01:07:53.320 admitted before a parliamentary committee on thursday this is last week that no loaded

01:07:58.160 firearms had been seized during the crackdown on the freedom convoy in ottawa last month

01:08:04.460 so we have to ask what was illegal about it

01:08:09.740 oh they blocked some streets actually no they didn't there was always

01:08:17.040 lanes open for emergency vehicles to get through

01:08:20.660 that was all negotiated with ottawa police before the convoy ever arrived in ottawa

01:08:28.260 so what is justin trudeau talking about anyway

01:08:31.300 all right we're going to give away one of these babies in just a couple of minutes

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01:10:26.340 get to the comments now there's still 600 of you left watching

01:10:32.020 i am thinking of a number i'm going to change it up one of these nights i know it gets boring

01:10:40.880 after a while i will i promise i'll ask a trivia question or something but i got to make it as

01:10:45.920 easy as possible i'm thinking of a number between 40 and 50 so what is the number it's between 40

01:10:51.820 and 50 yes it can be 40 and yes it can be 50 or anything in between so what's the number that

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01:11:08.540 lily ducette faria said 47 and she is correct again you don't have to be first with this you

01:11:17.020 just have to be right because i see the comments come in in a different way than you guys here

01:11:21.180 while i'm looking at the screen uh so lily congratulations please contact me right after

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01:11:40.560 couple of days so i'll be able to show you guys so here it is here you got the tacit logo on the

01:11:45.320 front you got crew on the back i just wanted to say that i had a very pleasurable afternoon

01:11:53.000 today was not a normal day for me normally i'm cramming for the show every day i spent hours

01:12:01.380 putting it together but i knew that i had jay hill as a guest tonight and i kind of knew where

01:12:05.120 i wanted to go with the interview so i didn't have to worry so much about it i spent five hours

01:12:11.180 at the Cork and Flame restaurant

01:12:15.340 on Portage Avenue this afternoon

01:12:19.000 with the Voyjakas family.

01:12:21.540 Yeah, so Mike Voyjakas,

01:12:24.200 who, by the way, joins the show tomorrow night

01:12:26.100 for Ask the Funeral Director at around 9.15,

01:12:28.600 so about 24 hours from now,

01:12:31.160 Mike Voyjakas and Ask the Funeral Director,

01:12:33.500 of course, Voyage Funeral Homes.

01:12:34.700 So him and his brother,

01:12:38.000 who owns the Cork and Flame,

01:12:40.180 and his mom.

01:12:41.180 We had a wonderful afternoon together, and I had some of this apple crisp, the dessert.

01:12:53.160 Whoa.

01:12:54.400 Cariacus, that is a fantastic dessert, my friend.

01:12:57.880 You should be proud.

01:12:59.680 So if you're ever in the St. James area and you're hungry, stop at the Cork and Flame.

01:13:05.200 Have a good time there.

01:13:06.420 The atmosphere is absolutely lovely and comfortable as well.

01:13:09.460 Cork and Flame is on Portage Avenue.

01:13:11.180 and that's it for the show tonight you guys i'll catch you tomorrow night at eight o'clock for

01:13:16.380 another shadow at night live stream until then i love you all and i will talk to you tomorrow

01:13:23.260 bye for now

The Shadoe Davis Show - March 30, 2022

Shadoe at Nite Tues. March 29th⧸2022 w⧸ guest Jay Hill of The Maverick Party of Canada

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