00:04:41.920Who are the police on guard or the police on guard for thee?
00:04:45.960Well, according to their mission statement, we are a group of active duty and retired police officers who have assembled to create a haven of truth and justice for all members of law enforcement.
00:04:56.540We're a group of, well, we just read you that part.
00:04:59.780Over the past year, we've seen the foundation of our country irreversibly damaged.
00:05:04.400the unconstitutional public health orders in place have resulted in the permanent closure of
00:05:09.960countless small businesses, the declining mental health of adults and children, and the tainted
00:05:15.160reputation of Canadian law enforcement. That's definitely one of the things I want to discuss
00:05:19.960with Clay Farnsworth tonight, who will be joining in just a couple of minutes. A collective breaking
00:05:24.900point was reached by many in the police force as we saw Canadian fundamental human rights slowly
00:05:30.620stripped away. We signed up to act as beacons of truth, peace, and integrity, and we intend to hold
00:05:36.460fast to that conviction by shedding light on the unconstitutional nature of the current public
00:05:42.320health legislation surrounding COVID-19. Along with our legal counsel, Rocco Gulati, we will bring
00:05:48.280a court order to the Superior Court of Ontario to clarify the constitutionality of the COVID-19
00:05:53.920public health orders we are being asked to enforce. We are working diligently to gain even more
00:05:59.380support and spread the word about our efforts. We ask that all active duty officers carefully
00:06:05.100consider the legislations they are opposing and analyze all information surrounding the
00:06:10.760public health emergency with an open and critical mind. If you've been questioning current public
00:06:16.100health orders and feel even slightly apprehensive to enforce them, do not be fearful. You are not
00:06:20.860alone. We urge you to reach out to us via social media or email. You'll be supported by a group of
00:06:27.160like-minded individuals who are standing firmly in support of truth and justice. Remember your
00:06:31.620oath and stand with us. That is the message from the members of Police on Guard to the members
00:06:39.520who are still active right now. And I'm wondering, Clay, thank you, by the way, for coming on to the
00:06:46.960show tonight. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us, especially here on a Friday night.
00:06:51.760um i wonder have you been able to reach out to many active duty officers in the last couple of
00:07:00.020years because i know that you uh have joined this organization almost since its inception you've been
00:07:05.100a member have you had the chance to actually speak to many active duty officers and if so
00:07:10.100what are their thoughts on all of this you know the the first of all thank you for having me
00:07:16.120Night's Shadow and we appreciate being able to spread our message of hope for everybody in our
00:07:23.480country. And with Police on Guard at the beginning, when we first started it, you saw mostly retired
00:07:30.660members coming out and joining Police on Guard. And that's simple because we can still, or we have
00:07:38.440the freedoms to join organizations once you've retired. As for the active duty members, we saw
00:07:45.780a big uptake in September, end of August, after our prime minister announced the federal
00:07:52.700mandates and more of the active duty members came out then. And when an active duty member
00:08:01.040joins police on guard, we don't broadcast who they are, what force they belong with
00:08:06.740for fear of reprisals. We've seen that with a lot of police forces going after active
00:08:12.640duty members so yeah we have a lot of the guys and girls within our our membership and we see
00:08:22.120that growing more and more every day it's the active duty members now what about since the uh
00:08:28.680the big huge uh clearing out of the convoy in ottawa have you seen an uptick since then because
00:08:34.060you know from what i saw in all the video man there was some rough stuff that happened out there
00:08:39.200Yeah. And like I say, it's growing more and more all the time with the active members. We're seeing it after the convoy or the blockades at Cootes as well. And when you speak to members one-on-one, and I've had many conversations with members one-on-one, they totally get where we're coming from.
00:09:00.120they'll read the mission statement and say right on this is so true but when they're in their
00:09:08.540groups they can't really speak their true mind so they're very cautious on what they say have you
00:09:15.860heard a lot of stories from active members who were members of police on guard about harassment
00:09:20.960from other members you know maybe even partners in in the same service oh very much so we've had
00:09:29.320And members who have refused to disclose their medical records, whether they've taken the vaccine or not, they have the right to not disclose that.
00:09:42.800The RCMP has taken it upon themselves to put these members and many other forces as well, put them on what we call LWAP or leave without pay.
00:09:51.680and derogatory comments coming from the members behind some some examples are well good you're
00:09:59.620gone now more over time for me you know that that type of attitude within the in the offices so it's
00:10:05.860it's very hard on the guys that are they're standing up for themselves and truly believe
00:10:10.760that their health comes first you know it's interesting uh you know for a civilian like
00:10:15.300myself and many others, it's tough to get into the mind of a police officer, whether it's an
00:10:22.240RCMP officer or a city officer or even a military member, I suppose. We just can't fathom what it's
00:10:29.600like for you guys day in and day out. But what we do think, I think for the most part, is that our
00:10:35.160police officers are there to protect and serve the public. And then when we, I'm not sure, did you
00:10:42.660see that text message string from the officers who were beating back the protest in ottawa uh
00:10:50.360some of the things that i saw in that text string especially celebrating uh the horse that ran over
00:10:57.060that uh elderly lady there that it made me sick to my stomach and and some of the other things
00:11:02.180we've seen you know i know you noted in a in a previous interview about the two female officers
00:11:06.820uh threatening to tase that young kid that 16 year old kid in calgary who was skating around
00:11:11.820outside with no mask on and there have been many other uh different videos that we've seen of
00:11:16.640police i would say acting outside the boundary of their uh of their duties
00:11:21.760how many officers are there like that out there where they just don't really understand what
00:11:31.320they're supposed to be doing that is a really hard question to answer and i think there's a
00:11:40.300lot of the young officers today that are just scared for their careers. So they'll just listen
00:11:46.220to whatever orders they're giving without standing up and taking a true look at what that order is.
00:11:52.300And if the order that they're receiving from a senior officer is illegal, they're duty bound
00:11:59.080to refuse that order. You don't take that forward. And typical, people are scared. I mean, look at
00:12:07.060the doctors today that they're not speaking out. Nobody is speaking out for fear of the reprisals.
00:12:13.560And that's why in Police on Guard, we protect those that are still working so that this doesn't
00:12:18.940come about for them. But I honestly can't get my mind around doing something the way that
00:12:27.360so many of the officers have today. I've worked strike lines. I've worked many protests in my
00:12:33.840service and i just don't understand the mindset where where policemen police women or officers
00:12:43.740today are willing to cross that line and become violent it makes no sense to me yeah you know
00:12:50.200it's interesting i've heard some stories from people who were on the ground in ottawa i don't
00:12:55.220want to spend all night talking about the ottawa situation because i know that there's other things
00:12:59.140to discuss but uh a lot of people were telling me things like there were some police that you
00:13:04.220could get to on on the first day on the friday when they moved in uh on the front lines there
00:13:10.980were people standing watching and they could see that these officers did not feel very good about
00:13:16.680it um it was the difference between a protest like that where you've got everyday ordinary
00:13:23.700canadians out there standing up for their rights and the different you know a protest you i'm sure
00:13:30.780you've seen protests with professional protesters these people have come armed with you know bricks
00:13:37.060and frozen water bottles and that kind of a thing those people know exactly what they're doing
00:13:42.420these people were not violent these people were all about love they had bouncy castles
00:13:48.060and then the next day the people or the cops on the front line very different the cops were
00:13:54.400different the expressions were different they did not flinch they didn't change their facial
00:13:59.820expressions it was almost like they didn't understand english in some cases people were
00:14:06.100saying and and they were wondering are these cops from outside the country do they not understand
00:14:11.800do you know where all of those cops came from or is that still a mystery no i don't i i know there
00:14:18.280was a whole bunch from all over on ontario but i i don't know if there was any from out of country
00:14:24.080but anyway i mean knowing what they knew about this particular protest how could they round up
00:14:29.860that kind of a force and we're talking about 500 uh police officers i think in such a short period
00:14:35.840of time to be able to handle something like that you know shadow there were and i know for a fact
00:14:41.460because I know a member from Alberta, there were RCMP members from right across Canada sent to
00:14:47.500Ottawa. So the amount of police that were down there from other agencies across Canada would
00:14:55.020have been tremendous. And I've heard those same stories about out-of-country officers, and some
00:15:02.020of them didn't look very professional. I know that the RCMP ramped up and pushed a bunch of
00:15:09.100recruits through depo to get more more souls down there in in ottawa were they fully trained
00:15:15.700i don't know you know there's speculation um but my point being is you're right is these people
00:15:24.260were very peaceful and for the mood to change as quick as it did in ottawa it wasn't the protesters
00:15:31.640that changed the mood police on guard had boots on the ground in ottawa for 13 days
00:15:36.620and some of the some of our leaders within police on guard were there for for like i say that time
00:15:44.020period they were on the front lines they were watching they were there they were they spoke
00:15:49.000at at some of the rallies so our people were watching what was going on and you got to remember
00:15:55.060that everybody in police on guard is a retired officer so they could read the crowd they could
00:16:00.260read the people they could read the members and to say that i'm disappointed in the police agencies
00:16:07.340would be a vast understatement what would you have said if let's say you were there
00:16:12.380on that front line and you were watching that line of members expressionless holding their
00:16:18.760batons what would you have said to them i tried to encourage them to lighten the load here
00:16:25.640because the police officers can ramp the mood just by their presence okay when you take a look
00:16:33.100at the tactical gear they're wearing was that necessary no because there was no violence in
00:16:39.080that crowd i remember working a strike in in northern alberta and we were there there was
00:16:45.360three of us to about 60 or 70 strikers there was only three of us on the line and i remember one
00:16:52.820of the buses coming through that was transporting workers in and out of the site and and some of
00:16:57.920the protesters are screaming or the uh strikers were screaming that the fact that the one bus
00:17:02.520only had one headlight working and i laughed at him i said come on this is daytime you think i'm
00:17:09.440gonna write a daylight ticket in the middle of the afternoon we're just happy he's using his lights
00:17:13.940you know right well that brings in i'm sorry go ahead yeah and i was going to say that another
00:17:20.160time when when uh the buses were coming through the one guy started acting out i said let it go
00:17:27.120i mean we were just talking about your jet boats why are you being a knucklehead now type thing
00:17:31.620right he just looked at me and smiled but it was all all in how you handle the people as to how
00:17:38.120it's going to escalate let me ask you because you're in southern alberta uh you were fairly0.81
00:17:44.100close to the coot situation i think probably keeping your eye on that uh daily what would
00:17:49.940you rate the police performance in that situation out of 10 zero yeah is it really okay please
00:17:56.920elaborate uh there was a group of four vehicles myself included that did a food run down to coots
00:18:03.880and uh the rcmp had the highway blocked off 10 miles north of coots it wasn't the truckers it
00:18:11.960was the rcmp that had it blocked off they had 28 units spread across highway 4 28 police units and
00:18:18.440members to to boot and two of us we didn't identify ourselves as being retired members at
00:18:24.500first but when we asked them what the authority was for closing the highway they couldn't answer
00:18:28.660our questions and when we reminded them of section six under the charter they looked at us like we
00:18:35.520had a third eye in our forehead and i finally said look i'm a retired member and i don't want to deal0.71
00:18:40.860with you you obviously don't know your authorities therefore you're an embarrassment i want to see
00:18:46.560the NCOIC on site here. So we started dealing with a sergeant from the RCMP who was
00:18:53.020very reasonable, to say the least. And we told him we were doing a food run.
00:19:00.020And the RCMP were trying to tell us that they were letting people from Cootes out.
00:19:06.200And we said, fine, I'll just call a friend down at Cootes and have them come pick up the food.
00:19:10.380well no they can't take it back so i'm looking at these guys saying under what authority can you do0.99
00:19:17.480that you're letting people from coots come out and we have food for them to take back and you're0.81
00:19:23.440saying that they can go back without the food it made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever
00:19:29.960and then to find out that the rcmp even went further and vandalized machinery yes yes i you
00:19:39.980You know, to say that I am extremely disappointed in the RCMP and their behaviors, I can't put it in words because there are times I'm ashamed to admit that I was a RCMP member.
00:19:58.280You look back upon our history in the force, you know, with the residential schools, you look at how the force handled the FLQ crisis.
00:20:08.340Two years ago, we have the prime minister come out and call us systemically racist and our commissioner didn't stand up for us.
00:31:02.720And there is really no oath to the Canadian people at all.
00:31:07.800And when I reread everything here, I think that a lot of members from my era and before just assumed that when we took these oaths, that we were there to serve the people.
00:31:20.460But when you actually read them and digest them, there really is nothing towards the Canadian people.
00:31:26.620Is the oath for an RCMP officer different from a city cop?
00:35:29.080You know, and they'd bring us in or they'd bring these guys in and they'd give us almost seminars or, you know, we'd have two hour meetings with these people in the afternoon where we'd sit and we'd listen.
00:35:39.080And I was always very, very enthused when these guys would come in, you know, like you'd learn a lot from guys like that.
00:35:47.020Have you, as I guess mostly retired members within Police on Guard, have you had the opportunity to do that?
00:35:54.220have you been welcomed in or are you guys a rogue organization not to be acknowledged by
00:35:59.060today's leadership that's pretty much the way it goes we have a saying in the rcmp that today
00:36:05.120you're a member and tomorrow you're not and that's that's pretty much the way it is and i've reached
00:36:11.320out to the veterans association in southern alberta and said you know we're really dropping
00:36:16.820the ball here because we have a lot of retired members living in small town alberta small town
00:36:21.960canada let's just say small town canada and we get a new member coming into a detachment
00:36:26.880who better to ask about your community than somebody who has decided to stay there and retire
00:36:34.080there who policed it for 15 20 years you know right then somebody that that's living there
00:36:40.480and the detachments nope they do not take that up at all they do not use the wealth of information
00:36:48.860that is sitting on their back doorstep and you go to have a coffee at the detachment
00:36:53.880you can't get by the security you're not allowed to go into the coffee room where you sat for 10
00:36:59.000years having coffee with your sergeant oh no you're you're you're taboo you're you're not allowed in
00:37:05.320here so young officers won't reach out to you even on their own to ask advice nope nope and i you
00:37:15.480know the longer you're out the more distant you become from the detachment when i first retired
00:37:23.740the local detachment would reach out and say hey look we we're looking for this guy do you know
00:37:30.000you know well yeah i had many dealings with this guy and this is his haunts or no he's left town
00:37:35.860and he's now living wherever right and the funny thing is when retired members go on to second
00:37:44.480careers, I'll get phone calls from them before I'll get phone calls from active duty members.
00:37:51.280A case in point is one of the guys that was working for agriculture, he called me up and
00:37:56.920he said, we've got a complaint in your town regarding illegal butchering. Do you know this
00:38:02.240guy? I said, yeah, you bet I do. You want to know where he lives? He said, yeah, I'd love it.
00:38:07.240Right. So retired members know the value of retired members, but active duty members don't.
00:38:15.940Huh. So the main objective for police on guard, you guys formed as an organization, I'm going to say late 2020, December of 2020.
00:38:26.920And it was after the arrest in Calgary that you mentioned of the young lad on the rink and two members from different police forces in Ontario.
00:38:36.100kind of reached out to an MPP in Ontario
00:39:35.500We risk. I've lost family members who will no longer speak to me because I attend rallies and defend the charter.
00:39:43.460And so what what benefit is it to us as retirees to be doing this if we didn't see something that was wrong?
00:39:54.480You guys are you've got a court case, I believe.
00:39:57.940I'm not sure it's gone to court yet to actually get clarification on whether or not these mandates are breaching the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
00:40:05.800I tell you, Brian Peckford, I had him on last week, and he is absolutely, I mean, he wrote the thing.
00:40:10.540He's the last surviving signatory of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
00:40:14.420He says that the Charter has been breached multiple times by every government across the country.
00:40:22.860It was filed, I believe, May of last year, if my memory serves me correct.
00:40:27.940The Ontario government tried to have it thrown out on its face, and the courts wouldn't allow it. So we're just waiting on the date to go forward. And I know Rocco will be chomping at the bit for that one. And that's all we're asking for is clarity, right?
00:40:43.640And when you take a look, the government has been abusing Section 1 of the Charter forever, because there are ways that they can infringe upon the Charter, but they must prove to the courts why they're infringing upon the Charters, and they've never done it.
00:40:59.240They've never, the Supreme Court in 1986 ruled what we refer to as the Oaks Test.
00:44:19.340like human rights complaints are almost as valid as complaints against the charter for police for
00:44:26.580anybody for store owners and yet that's being overridden as well everything is being overridden
00:44:32.060with no common sense none whatsoever it is it's lost so do you know when that your court case
00:44:40.240will be because i know rocco was sick for a while and i think he's uh he's coming back now but
00:44:44.560i'm sure he's chomping at the bit as you say to want to argue this is there a date this is going
00:44:48.520to go to court no why do things why do things take so long i honestly think the courts are scared
00:44:56.580of what's going to happen deep down inside i believe that and that is just a policeman's
00:45:04.640instinct i have nothing to base that on other than instinct that when this goes before courts
00:45:11.700to the higher levels okay i'm talking the appellate courts in the provinces or to the supreme court
00:45:17.540And it's going to be really hard for the Supreme Court to go against their own decision in 1986, the Oaks test, and throw these things out.
00:45:27.380Because if they do, that means the charter fails.
00:45:32.440And if the charter falls, our Constitution falls.
00:45:34.920If our Constitution falls, we're in a lawless society in Canada.
00:45:40.740Because nothing will be able to be enforced, period.
00:45:43.980Clay, is that the main objective of police on guard right now, getting clarification in the court case?
00:45:52.280And what are the secondary objectives of the organization?
00:45:56.440Well, we're bringing another court case forward.
00:46:01.640We've been working on that last fall with the federal mandates from the federal government for all federal employees and federally regulated employees.
00:46:11.860And we've got hundreds of plaintiffs on the next lawsuit that we will be bringing forward.
00:46:18.580We're looking at maybe another lawsuit down the road.
00:59:55.000And thank you to Clay Farnsworth, again, from Police on Guard for coming on the show tonight.
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01:04:59.780at the rally tomorrow the worldwide rally for freedom tomorrow noon at the cbc building 561
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