The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Weds Dec. 14th⧸2022 w⧸trauma expert Michele Smith

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00:02:00.000 good evening everybody welcome welcome to the show it's shadow at night

00:02:29.840 it's wednesday december 14th 2022 a lot of people have been hearing the word trauma over and over

00:02:37.800 and over again for the past almost three years now trauma from this trauma from that

00:02:43.360 and i think all of us are dealing with it to some extent whether or not we're still wearing those

00:02:52.040 breathing barriers around whether or not we're angry at our friends and family whether or not

00:02:56.660 We're going for our fourth or fifth poke, whatever it happens to be.

00:03:01.760 And we've asked ourselves, how come these people are still walking around in a state of hypnosis?

00:03:09.020 It seems like we've called them the Branch Covidians in the past.

00:03:15.900 And I think to some extent that is absolutely a very good descriptor because they are victims, much like cult members are victims.

00:03:26.500 and we're going to talk about trauma tonight we're going to talk about it with an expert

00:03:30.660 in the field she's been practicing treating trauma for the past 24 years her name is Michelle

00:03:37.360 Smith she has a practice in Victoria British Columbia she is a trauma practitioner and expert

00:03:43.540 and I am so excited to have her join the show in a little bit so we're going to get to her in just

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00:05:59.700 there's a couple of things that you guys can do all right i want you to pay attention because

00:06:04.700 you're causing me stress which is leading to trauma and here it is interact with this page

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00:07:11.500 facebook is not your bag okay i don't want to hear any more complaining about i'm not getting

00:07:17.480 notifications because there is nothing i can do about it you can but i can't and if you're still

00:07:25.500 having trouble ask some of the people who are commenting in group right now but guys don't

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00:07:42.640 the algorithm goes i can't keep up and then we get back to our normal viewership as opposed to

00:07:49.080 the strangled viewership it's causing me stress which is leading to trauma is that what happens

00:07:54.180 michelle by the way thank you for coming on at such short notice tonight i really appreciate it

00:07:58.960 All right. Thanks for having me.

00:08:01.040 This is Michelle Smith, everybody. Say hello to Michelle. She is joining us from Vancouver Island, and she is an expert in the field of trauma. You have been a trauma practitioner, Michelle, for the past 24 years.

00:08:15.260 Can you please explain to us, and I know this is going to be a complicated answer, and please take your time with it, what exactly is trauma?

00:08:24.760 well i'll give you the condensed version it's probably not as complicated as you think

00:08:31.620 um the condensed version is that trauma can be described as a real or perceived threat

00:08:40.360 to one's own safety or the safety of a loved one one in which the the victim cannot run they can't

00:08:50.860 fight uh there's nothing they can uh do about it leaving them feeling helpless and uh the psyche

00:08:56.720 becomes overwhelmed they can't make sense of it and um that reaction uh to to the threat

00:09:05.480 uh stays stuck in their nervous system and that paralyzes them to the point where they can't

00:09:11.800 function normally or or is that there's varying degrees of this yeah trauma is really subjective

00:09:17.180 so what may traumatize one person may not traumatize another um and that you know we've

00:09:23.240 talked just briefly about world views it has sometimes a lot to do with what we're grounded in

00:09:27.880 right and so uh and our life and you know various other things education and so on

00:09:33.340 so it's very subjective it doesn't always paralyze but what does happen is it start

00:09:40.080 Because the nervous system is actually what drives our behavior, when a trauma strikes, if you want to put it that way, we literally, the cognitive part of the brain, the frontal lobe, the thinking part, that, you know, has empathy and it has reasoning and our philosophy coming to conclusions, making decisions and so on.

00:10:07.200 it goes offline because you're in raw survival so if you can kind of picture you open up a cupboard

00:10:13.460 and there's a you know like a huge clay pot or something there and it's going to fall you can't

00:10:18.380 get out of the way you can't run your body what happens is the mind shuts down the midbrain starts

00:10:26.360 screaming danger it's the kid sets off chemicals that flood into your nervous system again this is

00:10:31.780 a condensed version uh usually the sympathetic nerves uh part of the nervous system and um

00:10:37.480 readying you for fight or flight so now you've got cortisol adrenaline a lot of other ones that

00:10:43.160 we don't even need to know the name of um flooding into your system getting you ready but you can't

00:10:48.840 do any of those things and so now that reaction is is stuck in your system and it can manipulate

00:10:56.900 your entire life so this this is as the trauma is actually occurring as it whatever it happens

00:11:03.880 to be whether it's you're getting beaten up or or whether you just found out your partner is

00:11:09.560 cheating on you whatever kind of trauma that you're experiencing this is what happens while

00:11:14.620 you're actually taking part in it it's yeah but you're dealing with different types of trauma too

00:11:21.100 like we have collective trauma that can be experienced by you know a group of almost any

00:11:26.440 size in holocaust survivors and so on and even to the point where that particular group of people

00:11:33.560 may start finding their identity in that so you have have this intergenerational trauma that that

00:11:40.000 will be passed on from one generation to another you have interpersonal trauma and uh so so we

00:11:47.840 have and we have various we have collective trauma so so we have various types of of of trauma and

00:11:54.380 again what may traumatize one person may not traumatize another yeah i i want to get into

00:11:59.540 the collective trauma thing uh in a little bit because that seems to be what we're dealing with

00:12:05.120 right now as a species you know in the last three years what's been going on with with all of this

00:12:11.840 covet nonsense and the different rules and regulations and mandates uh it seems in every

00:12:17.240 jurisdiction of the world but let's just talk about let's say something happens to you as a

00:12:22.080 child you're six or seven years old and uh you you get hit or maybe your parents are fighting

00:12:29.520 all the time that is something that can stay with you for years and it can have a devastating effect

00:12:36.840 correct helpless yes helplessness yeah so what are the symptoms of that because people will

00:12:42.980 will feel that physically they will feel that mentally they will act out in certain ways

00:12:48.120 what are the things there is such a myriad of symptoms um because because we have a myriad

00:12:55.200 of circumstances we have a myriad of individuals and so you have a wide range of symptomology

00:13:00.660 but um if the trauma stays stuck it is what is likely more often than not to happen

00:13:10.840 is you will find the brain is a kind of an amazing thing if you have a trauma

00:13:17.640 um and then another one comes along later on in life the brain isn't going to pull those traumas

00:13:24.200 apart it's only going to start screaming danger like the midbrain is the emotional part of the

00:13:29.620 brain and in there is something called the amygdala and the amygdala is actually our fear center

00:13:34.540 so we have uh i don't have any visuals to show you so i i'll use my arm see if i can

00:13:40.740 so if you look at this at the brainstem okay um raw information goes in it's not usually analyzed

00:13:47.780 it may have some safety features in there but it's not usually so raw information comes into

00:13:52.340 the brainstem this is your midbrain your emotional brain that's where your fear center is your

00:13:57.080 amygdala and so on your um process your emotions and so on and this is the neocortex it's kind of

00:14:04.580 wrapped around cradles everything else and it's the largest part of the brain they sometimes say

00:14:08.860 this is where our humaneness is that's where all our thinking is our rationale and so on as i said

00:14:14.420 before so so in in comes something and the midbrain starts screaming danger and it's firing

00:14:20.680 danger danger danger until it flips its lid and now this is in control this is not the fear center

00:14:27.560 is in control right so so later on in life um another trauma comes along because this has not

00:14:36.520 gone through the cognitive part of the brain another trauma comes along and you can't separate

00:14:41.920 those traumas out I'll get I'll try and give you an example one lady came for a particular trauma

00:14:47.380 that was recent she kept talking about something that happened when she was 19 I was listening to

00:14:53.420 this and finally she looked at me and she said why the heck am I talking about that

00:14:57.220 because your brain the second trauma came along your brain isn't separating those traumas out

00:15:03.920 all it's doing is screaming danger I know what this is bang so so so now we've got this uh

00:15:11.060 you know this you know kind of traumatic reaction so you have have circumstance or things that

00:15:17.880 that may remind um the survivor of of the trauma it could be a smell it could be a voice there are

00:15:26.520 many things that could remind them and it's going to set up a traumatic reaction so for example if

00:15:33.040 somebody it's not just fight flight or freeze uh as as the main traumatic reactions it's also

00:15:38.920 appease shut down and uh collapse and submit are usually the main trauma reactions that we look at

00:15:50.440 so um supposing someone got sent to prison is a big one for traumatization so it's supposing

00:15:58.520 somebody was in prison for 10 years or whatever and uh in prison they have groups of people

00:16:05.520 that you kind of affiliate yourself with and they're your protection and so on I did ask

00:16:10.700 somebody one time I said so what's community like in prison and uh he said well what do you mean I

00:16:15.860 said well you know you have groups that protect you or whatever and he said yeah it's more or less

00:16:19.760 like that and I said what happens if you go against a group and he said we should go against

00:16:24.160 a group you'll lose your life he said or you know you'll be kind of excommunicated which is

00:16:30.320 basically the same thing imagine what happens to a guy like that if he if he years later is in

00:16:37.800 is in a job and so on but it's governed by boards

00:16:40.620 he's he is going to appease them even when it goes against his own conscience right

00:16:48.620 I see what you're getting at, Michelle, because it seems as though there's been a lot of

00:16:56.340 different types of trauma that we've experienced in the past three years during this whole

00:17:02.860 crazy time. And I was trying to think of the different things that could affect different

00:17:07.560 people differently. And for somebody like you, an expert in this, I'm sure you're seeing

00:17:12.160 dozens of different variations of how people have been affected yes uh the people who have

00:17:18.700 gone against their principles their worldview yeah they've gone ahead and they've gotten that

00:17:25.100 jab they totally against everything they believe in just to be able to keep their job yeah those

00:17:32.560 people are probably dealing with huge trauma right now some some are you know i mean like

00:17:40.080 Anytime you go against a core belief, a core principle, because you don't really have a

00:17:46.440 choice in the matter, I would imagine that you would have physical manifestations of

00:17:51.100 that being headaches, possibly a lack of sleep, that kind of thing.

00:17:55.520 Does that happen?

00:17:56.460 Of course it happens.

00:17:57.320 Yeah.

00:17:57.560 And you can have, it's on a spectrum.

00:18:01.700 You can sort of have, not everybody is going to experience all of the symptoms.

00:18:08.720 There's a lot.

00:18:09.360 it doesn't mean you know they're not traumatized

00:18:11.540 it just means you know

00:18:13.100 everybody's different but it's not

00:18:15.200 just that you have

00:18:16.680 the nervous system

00:18:19.480 is the tentacles come out

00:18:21.280 from it they're all wrapped around your internal organs

00:18:23.460 so you have

00:18:25.260 it wrapped around your heart and your bladder

00:18:27.160 you know all kinds of things

00:18:28.620 the sympathetic or the parasympathetic part of the

00:18:31.280 nervous system that's the part that's supposed to

00:18:33.280 even everything out and calm you down

00:18:35.520 well that can

00:18:37.240 actually shut you down

00:18:39.360 you know if that's activated um so or you have freeze where they say you know you've got you

00:18:44.980 know sort of both parts of just you know sympathetic and parasympathetic kind of

00:18:49.980 going at the same time so there's a part at the top of that parasympathetic nervous system and

00:18:55.600 that's called the the ventral vagus that's the one we want to activate the other one is completely

00:19:00.780 taken over like it is a very dark world for a trauma survivors um because inside the neocortex

00:19:08.920 that's affected so badly it can affect any part of your brain and every part of your brain but

00:19:13.940 it's the parietal lobe and that's where our senses are so you can wind up with um sensory

00:19:20.640 disorders sensory processing disorders um you know you can wind up byproduct you know just

00:19:27.080 depression um but largely the reaction that you're doing is going right underneath your cognitive

00:19:35.280 awareness so so you have somebody what this nervous system is trying to do is bring this

00:19:42.440 whole issue to a different conclusion it's it can't seek it can't detect safety so it's trying

00:19:50.040 to detect safety it's trying to complete this cycle and and bring it to a different conclusion

00:19:56.140 so you'll find people actually reenacting is a you know a big one uh so you can find you know a

00:20:04.380 whole lot, but I'll tell you when there are some sort of mainstays with trauma, that's a real loss

00:20:10.460 of sense of safety. They do not feel safe. Sometimes you'll see things like, I see quite a

00:20:20.240 bit of it with teenagers, they're not able to detect risk very well or danger very well.

00:20:30.520 you know they may have suffered from chronic trauma where their whole life was uh traumatized

00:20:35.720 not good at detecting risk and they're putting themselves in situations where they're

00:20:41.720 uh you know where they're continually re-traumatizing themselves when you say reenact

00:20:46.620 you mentioned that they they get caught in kind of a loop um a trauma loop if you will even though

00:20:53.780 their conscious brain says no i don't want that again it's it's killing me inside yeah somebody

00:20:59.240 who is a trauma sufferer even if the trauma goes back to when they were a child will continue in

00:21:06.600 the loop they'll finish a loop and they'll start a brand new one that's exactly the same let's say

00:21:11.820 they were in a terrible relationship with an abusive partner and that relationship comes to

00:21:16.720 an end they will get themselves into another relationship with another abusive partner even

00:21:21.960 though their conscious brain tells them no we don't want that they do it because of is it the

00:21:28.320 midbrain or or the the amygdala that that whole fight or flight thing before it even gets to the

00:21:35.300 thought processes right it's a nervous system uh that's driving the behavior and so they're you

00:21:41.820 know it's trying to complete its cycle like if you if you pretend for a second like you're walking

00:21:46.040 across your backyard all of a sudden you see out of your peripheral vision uh a poisonous snake

00:21:51.640 it's going to strike and uh brain freezes up no more thought you're in raw survival

00:21:57.420 you know nervous system is ignited to to run or to fight and then all of a sudden you look again

00:22:03.500 and you see it's a garden hose whoo well then the the parasympathetic nervous system is going to

00:22:09.700 help you calm that down you know the heart rate is going to go down to normal and so and that's

00:22:14.840 a job of the parasympathetic nervous system so the threat is passed you can or or if you can

00:22:19.920 negotiate the threat in some way you can run or you can fight you your system is likely to bring

00:22:26.860 that down but what if the threat does not disappear and then what then you have this

00:22:33.480 stuck and so you've got we don't always have reenactment we again it's on a spectrum but it

00:22:40.980 that's very common actually you know people are are um like one lady uh one young girl actually

00:22:49.780 had had come in and she was only in her early 20s she had been sexually assaulted seven times well

00:22:57.300 when i'm looking that i'm going okay something is terribly wrong here well well of course when i

00:23:03.860 unraveled is she had been sexually assaulted as a child she she in no way did she want to be

00:23:13.320 sexually assaulted but she kept sort of manip kind of manipulating circumstance of putting

00:23:19.780 herself in situations where it was continually happening happening because her nervous system

00:23:26.420 was driving her to complete this cycle let it go the nervous system wants it like normally if

00:23:32.420 if we run into something the midbrain where the fear is going off is and and if if we're able to

00:23:39.860 negotiate the trauma the midbrain communicates with the cognitive part of the brain and the

00:23:44.880 cognitive part of the brain says okay i got this uh i got this narrative and i can store it in

00:23:49.240 long-term memory but when it doesn't go there all you're stuck with is is reaction in your nervous

00:23:55.940 system and so um and if that is going underneath our cognitive awareness a lot of times i mean

00:24:03.960 some people are um then you have this huge uh range of of symptomology um you know that's

00:24:13.080 you know that's and you can have reenactment um you can have uh with a severe trauma uh you can

00:24:19.800 have um like on dissociative identity disorders you can have can that cause drug abuse or alcohol

00:24:26.780 addiction that kind of thing well in fact they uh we usually look at addiction as nothing more

00:24:33.420 than a symptom because if you if you uh take a look at addiction you start peeling off those

00:24:39.380 you're gonna you know you should be looking and saying okay where's the trauma right that's that's

00:24:45.080 what's underneath it all of that is underneath the cutting right yeah self-harm uh you know

00:24:53.060 they're trying to regulate uh those emotional dysregulation is a very big a symptom of trauma

00:24:58.740 so you know they're trying to regulate those emotions that's a very difficult one because

00:25:02.600 unfortunately it works michelle by the way guys if you're just joining now my guest is michelle

00:25:07.760 smith she is a trauma practitioner and expert in trauma masters in trauma and her website is

00:25:14.760 It's called TraumaPractitioner.com.

00:25:17.900 You can go check it out.

00:25:19.740 What's the way out of, and you know, before I even ask that, post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:25:27.680 Okay, yeah.

00:25:28.360 It's something that we've heard about for years, and they used to call it shell shock

00:25:31.480 after World War I when the guys came home from war, and they were kind of wandering

00:25:35.280 around aimlessly, or they would act up, they would be violent, whatever it was they didn't

00:25:40.580 know, so they called it shell shock.

00:25:41.960 And then years later, I'm sure you know the history better than I do.

00:25:45.280 We finally figured out this has to do with the trauma they experienced during the time they were there at war.

00:25:52.140 So this is PTSD.

00:25:53.860 Well, trauma has a very amnesiac past.

00:25:56.400 We've got these real gaps between, you know, studies.

00:26:00.280 But PTSD, I usually start off when I do training for counselors and so on.

00:26:05.760 I will tell them what is trauma, which is a question you asked me.

00:26:09.840 and then underneath all right i'll give you a hint it's not ptsd um ptsd has to do with longevity

00:26:17.700 you know more than anything else ptsd also carries things like um you know reenactment in terms of

00:26:27.060 um like if you're at war and a grenade goes off fairly close to you you're reliving that

00:26:33.200 and you're hearing it nobody else is hearing it but it's like you're there

00:26:36.600 you're hearing it all um so reliving trauma is very common but but so if you have somebody still

00:26:43.120 with the effects of of that 20 years later well ptsd but most people that suffer a trauma do not

00:26:51.220 go on to develop full-blown ptsd here's the problem though within the dsm we they don't

00:26:58.520 distinguish between uh you know kind of developmental trauma trauma acute trauma so

00:27:03.340 so they um um the only way they even get paid is if they get a diagnosis of ptsd

00:27:08.960 yeah that's not good well i don't think so either but there you go but have you noticed too that

00:27:15.500 people will say and there's different levels of ptsd and some people are scared to even bring

00:27:20.240 their experiences up because let's just say they're in a group therapy situation or maybe

00:27:25.140 they've got a friend who is a first responder uh somebody who you know works in an ambulance and

00:27:31.640 they've seen all manner of different kinds of, you know, terrible things, as opposed to something

00:27:36.880 that you may have suffered. Your dad slapped you in the face when you were five years old,

00:27:41.320 different kinds of trauma, but they can be equally damaging. Yeah. Yeah. That's called

00:27:46.480 vicarious trauma. And anyone who is in a helping frontline helping position, if they don't know

00:27:52.380 how to take care of themselves, they're not taught properly. They can suffer from vicarious trauma

00:27:57.000 simply from actually hearing other people's stories or seeing other people's stories with

00:28:01.420 and uh first responders teachers nurses uh and so on are very um you know at risk for vicarious

00:28:10.080 trauma what's the way out michelle i i think you're probably going to say something like

00:28:17.060 recognizing the problem or at least allowing somebody else to maybe suggest that there's some

00:28:23.000 kind of underlying issue right what what's the way out well i yeah i wish i could tell you that

00:28:31.760 was a real easy answer uh but but as you know as you're getting a picture trauma is a vast

00:28:37.540 subject matter and um we we use a bottoms-up approach that's the latest sort of method it's

00:28:45.220 the most productive so if you go to talk counseling and so on or finding the more you talk with this

00:28:50.760 person the more their amygdala is going off screaming danger the second you bring the subject

00:28:55.480 up the more it's setting off their system and you're getting um you're getting you're triggering

00:29:00.940 this person every time you bring it up uh so so talk counseling is is not usually effective

00:29:06.560 neither is cognitive behavioral therapy initially when you're expecting them to use a part of the

00:29:11.900 brain that has gone offline they can't access so um we use a bottom-up approach and we have to

00:29:18.880 say okay you know i've got your story i i'm a witness to your story and i want you to put it

00:29:26.460 all in a trunk and i want you to shut the lid because we have to work with the nervous system

00:29:31.260 not because because we're not dealing we are really used to um being able to rationalize

00:29:40.360 with people right with someone who's traumatized you're not talking them out of anything because

00:29:47.240 you're actually talking to a different version of them one that is not rational one that is

00:29:53.560 basically reduced down to their baser instincts yeah sure well it's a difference between talking

00:29:59.260 to somebody who's driven by their nervous system and that that whole hasn't gone through any of

00:30:03.320 their cognitive ability okay this is a raw survival issue so you we take i have lots of you

00:30:11.560 know of um things that we do um to help to bring this uh to work there are there are four main

00:30:20.800 resilience i love the children's version because there are four main resilience areas and and you

00:30:25.700 have spirituality is kind of like the umbrella over that but we have mastery and that's our

00:30:32.040 ability to master things and we have a generosity that's our altruism and so on then there's our

00:30:38.300 independence and um uh my brain just went down oh community belonging our sense of belonging

00:30:45.520 usually when trauma happens one more or sometimes all like if you have somebody who's been raised in

00:30:52.580 an abusive environment we are not born with resilience qualities they're learned

00:30:57.400 so you have to start from scratch so you're so so what happens to a trauma survivor is there

00:31:04.840 because this is a high stress issue their ability to handle stress is like we call it a window of

00:31:11.900 tolerance they have no tolerance it shrunk like that and all these resilience qualities that we

00:31:17.560 would normally pull on some one two three maybe all of them have been deeply damaged

00:31:24.740 so sometimes i'll do some testing to see which which ones but uh normally i can i can just tell

00:31:32.280 so um we're going to start with building that back up building that resilience back up

00:31:38.640 uh building that tolerance back up building and when we you know grounding this person because

00:31:45.320 they're dissociating helping them with the reliving issues if i get if my phone rings late

00:31:51.580 at night which it does often but if it rings late at night i can almost count on the fact

00:31:57.380 that it is a survivor of suicide death

00:32:03.020 because that's when they start to relive.

00:32:07.660 I may have talked to them hours before

00:32:09.400 or the day before and they were fine

00:32:10.960 and I'm hearing this gut-wrenching despair

00:32:14.540 and this reliving and the whys

00:32:16.900 and I'll only let that go on for so long

00:32:20.440 and then I'll say,

00:32:22.340 you know, a couple of minutes ago

00:32:23.880 you said such and such,

00:32:24.820 you would not believe what happened to me

00:32:26.220 downtown in the parking lot you wouldn't believe it this jerk did all of a sudden the voice changes

00:32:30.360 what did he do and so i'll go with they said well you should have done this you should have

00:32:34.480 you know and then i'll talk about other things and they'll see and then i'll hear their voices

00:32:38.160 get tired and i'll say i think you can go to sleep now and one lady said to me why do i always feel

00:32:44.420 more grounded after i talk to you i would always tease them and say well i can't tell you everything

00:32:49.040 you won't need me but the truth is all i did was take them from where they were living and brought

00:32:54.320 come into the present. I want to talk now about something that you and I discussed on the phone

00:33:01.160 earlier this afternoon, Michelle. There's a lot of people who have been trying to figure out how to

00:33:05.700 break through to the people who have been hypnotized by everything that's happened in the

00:33:12.000 past few years. They are obviously victims of trauma from the combined media and government

00:33:21.560 barrage of information uh in the past three years that has been relentless get your shot stay home

00:33:30.040 all of the different slogans that have that have been developed by the the fantastic marketers the

00:33:36.040 the government's recruited uh i i i walked up to somebody yesterday who's in a supermarket

00:33:43.160 and i was very polite about this he was standing there with his cart with his breathing barrier

00:33:51.640 on his face and he was the only one around and that's why i felt i could ask this question

00:33:57.360 the only one with one of these things and i said excuse me sir but why are you wearing that

00:34:04.540 and his reaction was completely and totally off the rails how dare you talk to me like that i

00:34:13.760 can't even believe that some of you would say that it was like why are you victimizing me

00:34:18.200 and he completely flew off the handle yeah now i've seen people not even respond when i ask that

00:34:26.380 question and i'm not trying to be evil about it you know it frustrates me too that i see these

00:34:30.980 people still wearing these things because they do absolutely nothing when it comes to blocking

00:34:34.680 an airborne pathogen but um you know you curiously i'm a curious person by nature and i want to know

00:34:41.620 and i don't ask everybody i see but most of the responses i get are people they'll just keep

00:34:47.600 walking like you're going to try and victimize them or something they'll keep walking or they'll

00:34:52.600 look down at their shoes and just keep going they'll ignore you completely or it even seems

00:34:58.160 like michelle they didn't even hear a word you said is that a trauma response yeah i i would say

00:35:05.880 so i mean i haven't certainly haven't met the person or assess it but i i uh i would say so

00:35:11.360 anchor with trauma like grief is the very basis of grief is sadness but the very basis of trauma

00:35:18.560 is terror it's fear and so um you're getting um you know you're getting this huge reaction

00:35:26.020 it's not thought out and they don't even necessarily have the ability to go back later

00:35:31.940 and judge whether that was a reasonable reaction or not and so um with relationships as well um

00:35:40.800 if you had a someone come to you and say well i i was sexually abused as a child and um you know

00:35:48.460 this person did it and so on and and you said I don't believe you

00:35:54.140 it's probably the worst thing you can say to a trauma survivor you are now

00:36:00.080 a threat to them and uh the relationship is threatening so so so for trauma survivors um

00:36:08.680 if you if you trigger that or they feel they're being confronted this is their safety so if you

00:36:13.740 kind of look at um them try their systems looking for safety and they and then someone says this

00:36:20.220 will keep you safe you know and then you step between them and their perceived safety well

00:36:25.800 the sad part about that whole thing was was um with um masks for example those have been part of

00:36:33.660 you know the tribes years ages ago almost since the beginning of time use those to um alter

00:36:40.900 consciousness and so that they they became you know tribes they became that bear that wolf or

00:36:47.440 whatever and the onlookers as well were affected and um you take a bunch of children and all they're

00:36:54.420 seeing is a sea of masks they're not seeing people they're seeing what that mask represents

00:37:00.100 which is a threat to safety you got a bunch of so so they're driving home the threat visually

00:37:06.160 they're driving that home with these um so but for whatever reason that person has decided

00:37:13.900 you know somebody told me this is going to keep me safe and and he's going to grab onto that

00:37:19.280 and you're not going to get between him and that safety and then you have um taking communities

00:37:25.860 which is something that we use for healing for sense of belonging safety and being part of that

00:37:32.660 community and they shredded it yeah we're not going to make sure you don't got that because

00:37:38.100 that's healing for trauma you know with christmas coming up this is going to be i think the first

00:37:45.600 time in three years where people are actually going to be able to get together with no restrictions

00:37:51.180 no worries no crapola this is it and i think there may be a lot of

00:37:58.260 of internal conflict within some families based upon the shots the jabs and it's funny i i've

00:38:10.340 talked to many people who say you know i was talking to my friend the other day and for the

00:38:15.780 first 15 minutes it was great we were just getting along like we always had uh like nothing had

00:38:21.760 happened like the last three years was just a bad dream and then all of a sudden somebody brought up

00:38:28.440 the subject of the shots and it was like he had a physical reaction like

00:38:35.140 and and he changed personalities all it was like all of a sudden my friend was no longer my friend

00:38:43.500 and i have heard that from so many people michelle when it seems like their friends are not the same

00:38:50.700 people as they used to be do you think that's trauma i know there's a lot of people suggesting

00:38:54.940 it could have something to do with what's in the vaccine but i think i think it's trauma well this

00:39:01.740 was happening actually almost from the beginning whole families were being blown apart i saw so

00:39:06.360 much of it i'm still seeing so much of it uh dealing with teenagers who were frozen with fear

00:39:10.840 couldn't move couldn't move forward uh one young man 17 year old sitting across from me and all he

00:39:16.220 had moved with his thumb his muscles everything were almost atrophied from sheer terror anger

00:39:23.000 with uh with grief is not distorted but anger with trauma is almost always assaulted even if

00:39:30.080 it is non-violent because you're looking at a fight response here when relationships uh start

00:39:37.360 becoming threatening because now you're getting in the way of my perceived safety um you know you

00:39:43.760 you start seeing um those relationships it's threatening and as um you know everybody starts

00:39:50.220 to become the enemy and so you can't reason with them because you're you're talking to their

00:39:56.480 nervous system not to their actual rational brain yeah forget it so yeah that's that's what's so

00:40:05.020 insidious about it um is that um you're not talking anybody out of it if you know if you're

00:40:11.280 wanting to think that i can just sit down and reason that's what we do in life right

00:40:16.100 i want to sit down and reason with this person and next thing you know your throat is nearly

00:40:21.700 ripped out um because you're trying to get into the reasoning part of the brain and the trauma

00:40:28.780 never went through there we're talking raw survival reaction here yeah and you you bring

00:40:36.300 that up and and that amygdala is going to go danger danger and the whole system is going to

00:40:40.320 go off again so there is there no way or right and this is the question that we have been asking

00:40:47.120 and i have had so many people on this show and and they say i i'm trying to crack the code

00:40:53.200 i'm trying to get in there and and be able to reason rationally with these people who are still

00:40:59.920 so far on the other side of things they're living in 2020 you know there and and it just doesn't

00:41:07.740 seem at least so far that anybody has been able to crack that code is there something that we can

00:41:13.640 do i mean like you know i i understand where you're coming from wayne uh peters told me that

00:41:19.120 you're very concerned about our entire society the way it's uh it's been barraged with all of this

00:41:26.200 let's be honest nonsense for the past two and a half or three years now is there a way to get

00:41:32.140 through that first of all but on an individual basis is you think is there any way that we can

00:41:37.160 get to like your former best friend can you sit down and say bob can we talk about this rationally

00:41:44.900 is there something we can do i i wouldn't do that i wouldn't ask him to talk about the subject matter

00:41:51.320 but i would uh ask him to talk about your relationship and i would i would when when

00:41:56.980 you have somebody bring this up um let them go for a little bit and then find common ground

00:42:02.880 and i will sometimes you know before you because eventually if they feel safe with you you may be

00:42:09.340 then you may be able to ship them i've had that experience lots of times so i'm quite happy about

00:42:14.040 that but um they what i will say as they're telling me all this stuff is i'll say well

00:42:22.460 you know i i i really understand where you're coming from um you know i i get that i don't

00:42:28.540 may not agree with you. I don't have to get up my stance. I may not agree with you, but I will

00:42:35.300 agree with you that either, no matter what you believe, this is darn right frightening, isn't it?

00:42:41.020 We can agree on the fear. No matter what's happening, find a common ground.

00:42:47.820 Well, you know, that brings up the other side of the coin that I hadn't brought up yet, which is

00:42:53.860 there was an article in the atlantic about a month and a half ago about

00:42:57.840 pandemic amnesty and how we should just forget forgive and forget move forward even after some

00:43:05.020 of the brutal and dehumanizing tactics that were used by some of these very people that we may be

00:43:11.840 trying to find common ground with so it's not just the people wearing the breathing barriers

00:43:18.780 It's not just the people who are lining up for their sixth jab.

00:43:22.820 It's us as well, who are suffering trauma from being dehumanized for the past two years,

00:43:28.420 from being excluded from things, basically society excluded from our jobs unless we went

00:43:34.460 and got the jab.

00:43:35.320 And some people didn't, uh, you know, our bank accounts were tapped down to zero and

00:43:41.700 we had to borrow money from friends.

00:43:43.140 How, how humiliating is that?

00:43:45.020 So there's that side of the trauma as well, right?

00:43:47.600 Right.

00:43:48.240 Yeah.

00:43:48.780 And also, just so everybody's aware, you know, I see many people who are so terrified of what their governments are going to do next, that they're suffering from trauma.

00:44:00.040 So forgive and forget, we're not even remotely through this.

00:44:04.560 And we, you know, this is going to wind up being intergenerational to some degree.

00:44:11.580 And it's going to be passed right down to, I mean, we're still dealing with stuff from World War II.

00:44:16.120 you know trauma intergenerational trauma from that so so if you if you think about that what

00:44:22.940 is also concerning is when when you have this magnitude i never dreamed i would be seeing this

00:44:28.580 magnitude of trauma never in a thousand years did i ever dream this and i'll tell you when you see

00:44:33.800 something of this magnitude um you know well everybody is sitting there no matter what side

00:44:40.760 of the fence you all sit on everybody's sitting there waiting for the other shoe to drop

00:44:44.820 yeah and so we're hyper vigilant which is it which is a trauma a symptom we're our we're

00:44:50.740 scanning for dangers all the time we're hyper vigilant and uh um and so and that is a high

00:44:57.660 stress reaction our bodies aren't meant to take stress like that for that length of time uh and

00:45:02.360 and and it's the knowledge for some people that all they have to do is flip that switch with

00:45:07.480 another massive trauma and and everybody who's been traumatized brains are not going to be able

00:45:13.340 separate these traumas out michelle governments must have known that this was going to happen

00:45:22.460 i i go ahead i'm sorry no that's all right do you believe this was

00:45:28.060 accidental no i don't okay elaborate well well for one thing um this is too much of an exact

00:45:37.820 blueprint for trauma for me to believe this was an accident right you know we masked you up which

00:45:44.320 which which was hiding identity which as you know constant reminder of threat and then we took away

00:45:49.860 the one thing that could be healing we ripped your communities out from underneath you like are you

00:45:53.980 kidding me uh more trauma you know like like we made sure you know you weren't going to get any

00:45:59.000 healing and normally if you have a medical crisis especially you are going to gather information

00:46:05.180 from all the frontline people you're going to want to know what are you guys experiencing what

00:46:08.780 do you find he's helping the best what are you yeah you're going to gather all this that's not

00:46:12.500 what we saw happen we saw them completely exclude anyone they didn't agree with their narrative

00:46:19.340 they were going to make sure they didn't talk and and so that's that's not what we saw at all so so

00:46:26.980 and and also history i think uh a lot of history would um you know most people as i mentioned

00:46:33.540 before i don't have a reason to to start researching it but i think history shows us

00:46:39.700 that you know it's very likely there's not an accident at all the gaslighting you know i think

00:46:45.780 of all of the things that happened the gaslighting is what frustrated me the most when you can look

00:46:51.660 a politician or a member of the media because i spent you know a very long time in the media

00:46:57.280 And I know some of these people who are, who are doing these bogus reports and I know that they know that these are bogus reports and they're doing it anyway.

00:47:08.240 And, you know, you can look somebody like that in the face and you can say, you know, you're lying and they will look you right back in the face and they'll say, no, this is the absolute truth.

00:47:20.600 my response to that is i want to punch them in the face but i'm sure that can cause a trauma as

00:47:31.080 well right like you just feel like you're going crazy which is being gaslit well it is being

00:47:36.360 gaslit and and that can make anyone feel like they want to go beat their head against a brick wall

00:47:40.740 you know i am i am deeply concerned at what i'm seeing because i i know enough about trauma

00:47:46.300 to know um how easy it is to re-traumatize somebody and flip that switch well we have

00:47:52.140 gone from being able to sit around the dinner table and argue like heck about politics nobody

00:47:57.260 loves getting friends about it our society that was our culture that's what we did to um people

00:48:03.860 that don't get the job or wear a mask they should be put to death yeah that's that's how that's

00:48:12.220 that's you know that's where we went to like like how in god's name did that happen so so

00:48:18.400 as you're looking at our humanness even being shipped away like i'm i'm very distraught about

00:48:25.340 um you know what i'm seeing in terms and and for for some of us you know we're kind of going well

00:48:35.240 how can you possibly believe that like how can you believe this nonsense you know you referenced

00:48:41.800 history uh a few minutes ago are you talking about uh nazi germany during the 1930s the same

00:48:48.400 sort of situation that's going on now well nazi germany yes but but our own country is as well

00:48:54.760 you know after after the war and um those experiments in nazi germany by the way a lot

00:49:03.440 were on in trauma but the ones during the cold war were almost all in trauma-based behavioral

00:49:09.120 control now we're talking about uh mk ultra here uh guys i am going to i'm going to put this up on

00:49:15.540 the screen here so this is uh a story from left-wing corporate ctv from april of this year

00:49:21.200 that says families of mk ultra brainwashing victims protest in montreal they want the

00:49:26.500 government of canada to take some responsibility and give them compensation for what their family

00:49:33.160 members suffered we were talking about people who were um kept awake for 26 28 days they were given

00:49:41.240 hallucinogenic drugs they hundreds of canadians in montreal were experimented on uh by this dr

00:49:49.560 donald ewan cameron mind control experiments and some people think they're still going on

00:49:57.400 to this day um this would be a form of generational trauma well personally i with what what i just

00:50:06.380 saw happen what whatever you've seen happen i would suggest they are still going on on a global

00:50:11.220 level now so this what you're saying is that this what's happened to us in the last couple or three

00:50:17.000 years and this is your speculation we're not saying this for sure this is just a spitballing

00:50:21.220 here what you're suggesting is this has been the largest psyop that the world has ever seen this

00:50:26.420 was all done intentionally in our opinion in my view uh yes and and again you're dealing with

00:50:32.340 personal opinion but i have reasons for believing that good reasons when you're talking about you

00:50:36.160 and cameron in uh at mcgill in montreal um you're talking the tip of the iceberg you you and cameron

00:50:42.540 has gotten all the attention for his sleep room experiments he was funded by the cia and the

00:50:48.640 interesting thing about you and cameron is the day that jfk was assassinated the cia called him

00:50:53.500 and told him they weren't going to give him any more funding wow coincidence uh so so you and

00:51:00.980 cameron for a sleep room that's that's you know that's only one aspect of it that isn't that isn't

00:51:07.900 even the bulk of it of what happened most of what actually happened nobody knows about

00:51:15.960 and uh so but do you want me to do you want me yes please go ahead i mean i'm very interested

00:51:22.280 in this and and you know michelle you would not believe how many people will send me things on

00:51:28.220 mk ultra and and there's so many people out there that say conspiracy theory that never happened

00:51:32.720 what are you talking about something they saw oh yeah they they don't believe it at all they think

00:51:37.080 it's something from a movie but this is real stuff man it is very real stuff now just so you know i've

00:51:42.680 talked to tons of survivors tons of them you can't what are you going to suggest to me people that

00:51:48.620 don't even know each other and don't even live in in the same parts of the country they're all

00:51:52.160 alike and they all made up the same story i mean they're they're they're yeah they aren't all the

00:51:57.400 same but their details are are very precise names are precise and so on so things that happened to

00:52:03.840 them but what happened um after the war uh to the best that i can um see is that um the threat

00:52:12.480 changed from uh the nazis to suddenly russia's a threat oh my god russia's going to invade the

00:52:19.040 country so they developed um lines of radar bases across the country three of them top of the

00:52:25.600 country there was the dew line um then there was the uh mid canada line and then the pine tree

00:52:32.400 line well these lines of military bases they were norad run american canadian military bases

00:52:38.560 well everybody knows you can go and look up on the internet everybody knows

00:52:44.020 that that the u.s brought all these nazi criminals in and they got pictures of the the first batch of

00:52:51.640 them right there on the internet they were all rocket scientists by the way that what was that

00:52:56.260 operation called there was a name for that i forget what it was maybe somebody will write

00:52:59.660 that down in the in the comments paperclip yeah right right so they help you know it's operation

00:53:05.060 paperclip you know canada kind of gets left out because canada's this i don't know why even by

00:53:11.140 us um us uh writers and so on uh but we had these three well i'm gonna uh there was a lady

00:53:18.760 um who started a group back in ontario she died a couple of years ago

00:53:22.880 uh but she did a um she started a group for survivors of of cult virtual abuse and so on

00:53:29.400 and she did a radio interview and i'm just going to i actually pulled it out because of this um

00:53:34.620 this talk with you um shadow um but here's what uh what she says um so she said um to the um this

00:53:43.840 was a wayne morris uh back then who interviewed her back as she started this in ontario so she

00:53:50.340 said again initially it was an overview and personal description of having gone through

00:53:55.040 cult ritual abuse and then began to realize that a great percentage of the survivors had also been

00:54:01.600 involved in other forms of ritual abuse, including Masonic ritual abuse. Their fathers or their

00:54:08.340 grandfathers were Masons or Shriners, again, in different parts of the country. And we started

00:54:13.440 looking more closely at that because it seemed to be a common thread. Once the presidential hearing

00:54:19.320 had been conducted in Washington in 1995, the survivors of childhood mind control experimentation

00:54:25.600 came forward with their testimony, and that became part of the public record. We were then

00:54:30.920 able to publicly come forward with the information about the mind control experimentation that had

00:54:36.200 been described by certain survivors and the military connection began to come in there

00:54:41.400 and again so did the masonic as a common threat um but one of the volumes was the first issue

00:54:47.160 that we devoted entirely to mind control in canada and it gives um historical perspective

00:54:53.640 from world war ii onwards so um drawings documentation um documenting the difference

00:55:01.400 between american survivors and canadian survivors of it but it was really curious she said to see the

00:55:06.680 similarities between experiences of women and men who were raised in canada as canadian citizens

00:55:12.920 and those experiences described by usa citizens so it seems that wherever there was an american

00:55:19.720 military base in canada we started looking at norad and the dew line wherever there was an

00:55:26.920 american military base we would then see a clustering of survivors who had grown up there

00:55:31.720 if not on the base itself that is part of the community that was adjacent to the military days

00:55:37.160 i also found out so here we hit then the then the um you know the person interviewing her said look

00:55:43.080 you know can you could because they held a big um a huge uh conference uh back there for survivors

00:55:49.160 it was really quite interesting at that time um he says well can can you tell us how children are

00:55:54.500 introduced to this sort of thing and she said um there's a certain element of intergenerational

00:56:00.700 cult abuse but the common denominator again is uh that usually the father was in one of the armed

00:56:06.540 forces either canadian or american and whether there was a pre-delection for pedophilia and

00:56:12.400 cult involvement prior to that particular father joining the military is a question that really

00:56:17.260 needs to be answered. But almost all survivors, certainly over 90%, described having been either

00:56:24.980 consciously or wittingly offered up to the cult abuse and then to the mind control experimentation

00:56:31.180 that followed. So this was a situation where children were secretly taken away from their

00:56:36.500 parents during the day or on overnight visits or weekend visits or elsewhere. There was conscious

00:56:41.640 knowledge by either one or both parents and they were actively involved in making sure the children

00:56:47.060 didn't arrive where they were supposed to arrive. This is especially devastating. There is a really

00:56:53.280 big statement that needs to be made at this point in history as well. When we think of the Third

00:56:58.360 Reich and when we think of Hitler and the Nazis targeting for extermination, the other, what

00:57:04.560 happened following World War II is that the survivors who are coming forward are the generation

00:57:09.760 of children who were offered up

00:57:11.740 by their own families.

00:57:20.720 Their

00:57:21.360 own families

00:57:23.300 offered up their kids.

00:57:29.320 Now, I have to say,

00:57:31.340 from what I can tell, some were

00:57:33.440 manipulated. They didn't use words

00:57:35.480 like experimentation. They said

00:57:37.360 research. We'll give you $3,000

00:57:39.380 were researching really bright kids.

00:57:41.740 Right.

00:57:42.600 So some didn't quite know exactly what was going on there,

00:57:46.260 but some did.

00:57:48.040 Some did.

00:57:49.400 Michelle, what was the objective?

00:57:51.600 What is the objective of these mind control experiments?

00:57:56.740 They're trauma-based behavior control.

00:57:59.560 In essence, what happened was

00:58:02.080 they would be handed over sometimes for occult abuse

00:58:07.300 to traumatize them.

00:58:08.600 so they would be handed over for traumatization and that traumatization went beyond anything that

00:58:15.320 you could possibly imagine and then if um if they were destined for uh if they were if they were

00:58:23.980 determined for example to be psychic kids they were sent then after traumatization to a little

00:58:29.080 psychic school or whatever you see now this sounds like something from an x-men movie i know doesn't

00:58:35.160 it yeah doesn't it but they basically wanted to to experiment on these people these kids

00:58:41.540 because they wanted to see how far they could stretch a human being to the point before they

00:58:49.480 broke or how how far before they died no but many of the children did not survive this just so you

00:58:58.780 know um but but those that did um um these were experiments in trauma and they it was about

00:59:06.940 mind and behavioral control so so then they released them they they could use them you know

00:59:16.220 in various military operations or or so on but depending on you know where that where that

00:59:23.280 experimentation took them uh but they when they released them they released them to a semi-willed

00:59:28.640 sort of life where nervous system trauma was really doing a lot of the a lot of the work

00:59:35.080 and they weren't conscious of it and so they were able to manipulate through the trauma stuck in the

00:59:41.700 nervous system do you believe that everything they gleaned from these experiments they have

00:59:48.120 used on us in the past three years i believe i believe the same principle applies and what they

00:59:55.100 Because if you look at all of these experiments, and I do have something else, like a man actually wrote through the eyes of one of the victims in terms of what happened.

01:00:06.940 But if you look at that, and I met this victim that he wrote about, actually, and I talked to her extensively, very deeply damaged human being.

01:00:17.140 If you look at that, all the experimentation they did on trauma-based behavioral control, and then you start looking at, well, what's happened since Gold War?

01:00:25.100 oh well we had y2k we had h1n1 we had terrorism we had 9-11 we had aids we had

01:00:32.100 SARS we had on the sky's falling the sky's falling the sky's falling we've got

01:00:36.440 with that climate change we and this was consistent right from the cold war and then

01:00:41.300 we get the coup de résistance which is COVID right well I don't know I you know you kind of

01:00:48.700 kind of look at that and go you know what the heck all in one lifetime right yeah and all

01:00:54.480 all designed to make us more compliant possibly well it's it's it's a driving home of trauma

01:01:03.920 and so it's the fear fear fear yes yeah wow yeah yeah and that's also you know i mean we could we

01:01:13.720 could say okay so mk ultra experiments operation mockingbird obviously uh these news agencies

01:01:21.400 were taken over to some extent by the cia from the late 1950s until the 1970s although i believe

01:01:28.100 that that experiment is ongoing and it's not just news agencies it's social media now it's hollywood

01:01:34.100 it's everywhere everything that we are uh subjected to on a daily basis like we're talking about

01:01:40.320 millions and millions of views in a week because it's all around us is conditioning us to act as

01:01:48.260 we do exactly well here's the other thing to all of that is all um you know kind of taking part in

01:01:54.760 it but in when when they took the focus off the nazis um they they literally um uk us australia

01:02:03.920 canada literally brought nazis into the country uh through route lines and when i started looking

01:02:10.980 at the number of survivors that were actually coming from norad military bases i thought to

01:02:16.640 myself well what did you launder them in the military bases because after 10 years those

01:02:22.500 military bases were all torn down well you know i mean they get laundered in a lot of places but

01:02:28.480 but what happened in 1996 is um a canadian jewish organization this is by the way you can find this

01:02:36.380 in the cbc archive archive writing that the cbc was reporting on this 25 years ago and now they're

01:02:43.800 all part of it exactly so this then this was uh this was a documentary done quite a number years

01:02:49.900 ago but um but but it's in the cdc archives that that um that the uh this organization here in

01:02:57.860 canada jewish organization there was a gentleman in the united states by the name of ron bomb

01:03:03.260 and he he was a private investigator but he he was called the nancy hunter and they they brought

01:03:10.080 him into Canada, paid him to come into Canada and start uprooting Nazis. And here's what

01:03:15.440 happens. He says, excuse me, Ron, the story. Here's what happened. Steve Ronbon looked

01:03:26.200 up the names of suspected Nazis in a Canadian telephone book. That's what he entered our

01:03:31.940 country with. And he had a thousand names from our own telephone book. He knocked on their doors,

01:03:42.240 drew out their confessions easily. Now they're confused old man. They spoke of the inhumanity

01:03:50.260 of the Second World War and more specifically of their privileged roles in fulfilling Hitler's

01:03:55.560 Final Solution.

01:03:57.320 You know, Rambam, an American private detective, is astounded by his findings.

01:04:01.900 He has now got 58 of those thousand that he has interviewed who have admitted what they did.

01:04:11.140 And so war criminals, it seems, are not hiding in Canada.

01:04:15.240 They live freely among us.

01:04:18.280 So he compiled his list of suspects from the information provided to him.

01:04:24.620 uh oh this was it was the simon weisenthal center that hired yes yep yeah that's who hired him to

01:04:31.520 come in so and and so if that's an international jewish of course human rights organization

01:04:36.920 um so in total he amassed 58 confessions from nazi collaborators living in canada out of the

01:04:43.580 thousand they only walked in here with with a canadian phone book seven of whom admitted

01:04:49.640 to murdering Jews during the Second World War.

01:04:53.080 He estimated that approximately 5,000 war criminals

01:04:56.620 were hiding out in Canada,

01:04:58.460 but more conservative officials said,

01:05:00.800 no, it's less than that.

01:05:01.780 I don't care what they say, 5,000 is a lot.

01:05:05.920 So at the time that report aired,

01:05:10.600 the Office of Special Investigations

01:05:12.240 of the U.S. Justice Department

01:05:13.580 had denaturalized 57 alleged war criminals.

01:05:19.080 Canada had only deported one out of all of them.

01:05:23.060 So shortly after the report was aired,

01:05:26.120 immigration officials moved to deport one more,

01:05:29.620 an alleged war criminal featured in the report,

01:05:32.500 and he died on the first day of his hearing.

01:05:35.860 So nobody was kicked out of this country.

01:05:38.440 Nobody was brought to any sort of...

01:05:42.260 No justice.

01:05:43.320 No justice whatsoever.

01:05:44.240 So so although the detective did take credit for drawing out this guy's confession, tapes that were later revealed that the RCMP had long been investigating him and knew of his alleged dark past.

01:05:58.920 he he ronbaum actually later criticized the rcmp for failing to act on the information he provided

01:06:05.740 them the rcmp who had long denied that ronbaum's proof was at all uh revelatory said it continued

01:06:14.060 to investigate war criminals and basic he took he took he took this to the rcmp and they said

01:06:19.300 yeah we know so do you do you think that and i've heard this before and i've speculated on this

01:06:25.080 before that world war ii never ended that this is still the third reich but now it's not the third

01:06:31.040 reich anymore it's the fourth industrial revolution as one klaus schwab calls it in his book the great

01:06:38.640 reset and he's even said it several times on the lecture circuit wherever he happens to pop up

01:06:43.860 the fourth industrial revolution is that actually the fourth reich um well you know i i don't know

01:06:51.340 I have my suspicions, but I do know that there was a gentleman by the name of Borman, and he took care of the Nazi gold, kind of like an accountant, and Hitler told him, you know, okay, you've got to, you know, hide this money or whatever.

01:07:05.580 Anyway, he didn't take his advice.

01:07:07.920 And according to a historian, do you want to know where he invested 75% of the Nazi gold?

01:07:15.620 are you waiting for me to answer that pharmaceutical companies oh well you see that

01:07:28.040 that pretty much tells us everything we need to know right there yeah it's like i mean they made

01:07:34.180 us so dependent on pharmaceuticals over the past 50 60 70 years they've become such giants that

01:07:43.440 they literally control our lives. I made a post on Twitter today. It was actually making fun of

01:07:49.280 pharma. The picture was of this, this girl looking at you from a distance. She's kind of like this,

01:07:55.680 right? And the caption is pharma looking at you when you heal yourself. Did you see that?

01:08:02.300 Yeah. And so I said, it's time to end the madness and get off big pharma. And people started,

01:08:07.900 well, some people started laughing at that. They said, are you kidding? The drugs, these

01:08:12.500 pharmaceuticals they've made the world a better place i say yeah you know maybe some of them have

01:08:18.620 but others have not they've made you dependent upon them and they have you in turn you have made

01:08:24.400 them huge massive mega corporations worth billions hundreds of billions of dollars and when they want

01:08:32.680 to control the world and doing it with politicians or anybody who can influence people what do you

01:08:39.120 think it costs them to do that one 100th of their total earnings maybe in one year or they can buy

01:08:46.720 off scientists and doctors and hollywood actors and newscasters they can buy entire freaking news

01:08:54.100 networks politicians you judges police you name it yeah and because everybody's in on it nobody's

01:09:03.280 going to say anything except for us and what happens to us we get censored

01:09:08.660 well i don't want to encourage anybody who might be taking medication do not come off it that's

01:09:18.760 dangerous no no i'm not saying that but but what i do want to say about it is that um antipsychotic

01:09:24.380 medication ssris and so on um uh they they affect the neural pathways in your brain and so although

01:09:32.480 there's no evidence that chemical imbalance even exists i mean that's kind of a fallacy you can't

01:09:38.100 test for that i mean it's stupid um so so we've drugged an entire population of people based

01:09:44.960 now you're not hearing that from psychiatrists or other people or doctors very much you don't hear

01:09:50.080 that term chemical balance why because they know that it's nonsense and and that and the public

01:09:56.400 knows so we but but we drugged an entire population of people based on that theory

01:10:01.560 michelle they know that this whole covid shot is nonsense and they keep pushing it and you know

01:10:07.940 what the most the most insulting thing to me is uh when some luminary gets covid and so they

01:10:16.500 announce it right uh bill clinton has tested positive today for covid so you go to twitter

01:10:22.080 and you see his Twitter account, he makes a post and they all say the same thing. Well,

01:10:26.440 I tested positive for COVID today. Thank goodness I'm double vaccinated and the symptoms are mild.

01:10:34.300 Right. So how on earth are they able to tell, you know, how is there any clinical testing

01:10:41.980 to see that you would have been worse off without this? How can they say that and come up with

01:10:48.440 stats that say the average age of death is 83 they can't say any they cannot say that because

01:10:54.580 they haven't got a portal to another universe where the unvaxxed version of bill clinton dies

01:10:59.740 they just haven't got it there is no way for them to say it they're trying to prove a negative

01:11:05.600 but the worst thing is as they gaslight us the people are going to go yeah wow i'm so happy i

01:11:13.360 got mine too because now when i get covet it's only going to be mild as opposed to putting me

01:11:17.720 in the hospital but before the vaccine i mean as you said people who were in their 80s were the

01:11:24.740 ones who were going to the hospital right and and you know what's really sad about all of that is i

01:11:31.480 know i uh last year year last year maybe after christmas my daughter had a cold and through her

01:11:37.760 work she um worked with the elderly of course she had to be tested and she you know she just had a

01:11:44.420 cold it wasn't covered or anything not that i pay attention to that but like i caught the cold

01:11:49.340 and of course i thought are you gonna go get tested i said what the heck do i care what they

01:11:55.100 call it yeah i got a cough and a sneeze and a little bit of a runny nose and a sore throat

01:12:01.220 i'll be fine in a few days people get sick you know my girlfriend's daughter you know kids all

01:12:07.580 of them you know for the last two years if one of them got sick in the classroom sneezed even or a

01:12:14.340 little cough you get go home you're gone right so the parent would have to come from work and they

01:12:20.720 would have to pick up the child and then now the kids at home for five days or seven days or

01:12:26.000 depending on whichever province you lived in because of course the science didn't match up

01:12:30.460 from manitoba to alberta to ontario to british columbia it was a different period of time

01:12:35.800 everywhere speaking of that children i'm i'm glad you're the kids um the children are um you know

01:12:42.900 just that's been you know just a real concern during the kofi thing i had parents telling well

01:12:49.160 well i'm waking up and and i'm finding my child sleeping at the bottom of my bed i was watching

01:12:55.360 some of them reduced to um to baby talk uh bed wedding um like it is horrible and and one little

01:13:06.840 guy you know he's about 10 and i i had him for a while and finally i said to his parents get this

01:13:13.820 kid a play date and do it now i don't care who who you get it with you find somebody and you get

01:13:20.500 this kid a play date that's how badly these kids were affected by lack of socializing exactly wow

01:13:28.020 well and if you if you think of the nervous system becoming hypervigilant you know scanning for

01:13:33.820 danger when you take a person and you separate them from everything and and isolate them what

01:13:39.720 is what's happened to the nervous system they're it's good it's going to automatically start

01:13:45.560 scanning for danger because it doesn't have any support around you know so so so it it activated

01:13:51.380 the nervous system by isolating like that and and the um the kids were like this how this is how

01:13:59.140 kids emotionally regulate is with each other like it's it's just absolutely well i think that's how

01:14:05.180 we all regulate with each other right like kids more obviously because they're learning uh you

01:14:10.880 know social skills and and whatnot the social graces and social contracts even which have all

01:14:15.780 seem seems they've all been canceled and replaced with something else in the last couple of years

01:14:20.100 what about the masks mentally uh trauma wise how has that affected young people

01:14:25.900 well again that's a fear i think um when you're um um when i would have new clients come to my

01:14:35.360 home even i said they would always hit my door with a mask on and i would say you don't have to

01:14:39.500 wear that mask nobody in my house wears a mask you know and they would go we didn't know what

01:14:43.720 your policy was um but but i had one lady who would not absolutely would not take that off

01:14:51.720 and um the fear um and especially with young people all they see

01:14:57.480 in the sea of mess is a threat to safety that's all they're seeing

01:15:01.500 and because of that they may suffer a trauma that could take years to first of all figure out and

01:15:09.660 then once you figure it out you correct it right well trauma isn't an overnight fix

01:15:16.220 you know it's just kind of you know we're i i wish i mean god knows uh and that's my utmost

01:15:22.380 prayer a faster way lord um you know but but it isn't it's a lot of work michelle let me ask you

01:15:28.060 this is there a similarity to all of the people who have been brainwashed with this psyop the

01:15:34.960 last couple or three years to cult members yeah i would say i i i personally i would say so i mean

01:15:45.400 you you know if you kind of look at the if you know we used to have what we call deprogrammers

01:15:51.260 years ago and uh and i think we have to literally um now that was a very uh kind of rough way of

01:15:58.620 doing things because i mean you know but it was effective how did they do that like what was the

01:16:04.460 deprogramming well a lot of times they kid that person's kid back and then they would trap them

01:16:09.740 in a house or a room with them for a week or so and teach them how to be normal right

01:16:14.840 they would do the clockwork orange thing to them exactly so yeah so so if you look at that

01:16:23.780 um then you can kind of see the similarities with that kind of thing happening

01:16:27.520 there's still so much yet to discuss and i think it's been long enough for now how about if we do

01:16:36.740 a part two maybe in the new year would you be up for that i would so be up for that okay thank you

01:16:41.660 michelle for coming on tonight i really appreciate it you can find michelle at traumapractitioner.com

01:16:48.340 michelle smith expert trauma practitioner uh based in saanich british columbia on the island thank

01:16:55.680 you michelle for coming on tonight really appreciate you doing this on such short notice

01:16:59.500 thank you for having me and if you if you guys all out there if you want to kind of look at how

01:17:04.400 things should maybe be right now there's a little video uh on youtube it's called the wisdom of the

01:17:10.160 geese um of the geese yeah really short and uh in fact if shadow could could access it i'd have

01:17:17.720 him play it for you right now okay i'll i'll find it i'll find it and if i don't put it on tonight

01:17:23.460 i'll definitely share it on the page at some point tonight or tomorrow uh the wisdom of the geese i'll

01:17:27.820 i'll look it up and and get it for people thank you michelle thanks so much okay we'll see you

01:17:32.540 you too yeah michelle smith uh trauma practitioner 25 years um in british columbia what a great talk

01:17:42.140 we have with her tonight um we're the victims of a psyop guys and there's trauma on both sides of

01:17:50.140 the scale and sadly in order to to try and and bring our two sides together one of us is going

01:18:00.380 going to have to capitulate to the other side, meaning that we need to engage a full-on believer

01:18:07.520 of the experimental gene therapy with anything but that subject and hope that it doesn't

01:18:18.280 come up, which kind of means that we're not going to get an apology, which kind of means

01:18:24.740 that in a way we will be practicing pandemic amnesty so i suppose it's up to you and and

01:18:36.020 you know what as michelle pointed out and everybody else rightly points out this ain't over yet but i

01:18:42.820 do believe we're going to need some of these folks for us to go forward and finish this fight

01:18:48.340 because it's going to be a different fight make no mistake this this whole thing this last three

01:18:56.920 years has been to condition us for what's yet to come it's going to be a different fight

01:19:02.200 we're going to have to make peace i think in some cases other cases it's not going to happen

01:19:09.340 but i think we're going to have to try at least make an effort but that is going to be up to you

01:19:14.440 and what you want to do what you feel good about right because as michelle also rightly pointed

01:19:21.200 out earlier in the show tonight if you go against your core principles your worldview

01:19:28.060 that have been infused in you since you were a little kid well maybe not so much as a little kid

01:19:35.700 but they started shaping you as a little kid and they became firmer and and uh

01:19:44.440 in your mind and in your heart that made you the person that you are today whether you believe in

01:19:51.400 god or whether you believe in truth and justice uh whatever it happens to be if you break those

01:20:01.080 principles and take an experimental gene therapy just to keep your job you are going to suffer

01:20:08.840 trauma so we have to feel for those people that did that as well because they thought they were

01:20:17.180 doing the right thing for their families but inside they just couldn't make that line up

01:20:24.000 they could not make that and it's almost like inside you have a crash trauma boom and now

01:20:34.200 walking around like this for the last couple of years i don't know i don't want to talk about it

01:20:39.400 how often do you hear that i don't know i don't want to talk about it man because if they do

01:20:46.100 they're going to break down into a puddle there's so much left to talk about this this has caused

01:20:52.980 so much damage damage you guys i can't even believe that we're still we're still up and

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The Shadoe Davis Show - December 15, 2022

Shadoe at Nite Weds Dec. 14th⧸2022 w⧸trauma expert Michele Smith

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