The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Actor Robert Davi Shreds Kamala's Debate Performance as Acting

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.

00:00:07.080 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:10.680 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:16.840 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:22.380 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:27.160 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:33.120 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:41.240 Welcome back. I'm Roger Stone. And yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:46.900 As you can hear from my voice, well, it's a good thing that it's Friday.

00:00:51.440 We have an extraordinary show for you today.

00:00:55.060 We're going to be joined by Robert Davi, actor, singer, producer, director, patriot.

00:01:03.140 He, of course, plays Leonid Brezhnev in the new biopicture, Reagan.

00:01:08.980 We have an amazing video that he's put together, and we're going to talk to him about the debate.

00:01:14.900 We also have a well-known cannabis scientist and pro-freedom, anti-prohibition advocate, A.J. Fabrizio.

00:01:27.160 So, it's a great show.

00:01:28.980 And to join me and help lay all this out, my colleague and co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.news.

00:01:38.660 You and I are both very excited. It's Friday here.

00:01:41.220 I must tell you, it's been quite a week, but, you know, the fight for freedom is draining, and, well, we're both in it.

00:01:49.960 Folks, at the end of last week, Sunday, I went to New York, and I did my live three-hour 77 WABC show, the Roger Stone show, from the studio.

00:02:02.620 It was a great, great experience.

00:02:05.820 And then Monday, of course, I was back on The Stone Zone, plus I did Alex Jones's show and did a couple of radio interviews.

00:02:14.940 In all honesty, by the end of the day, my throat was shot.

00:02:19.960 This is, you know, I always get this mild laryngitis.

00:02:23.320 So, I decided to take my wife to see the new movie, Reagan, produced by Mark Joseph and starring Dennis Quaid and Penelope Miller.

00:02:36.060 This is one of the most incredible, greatest movies I have ever seen.

00:02:40.560 Let's take a look at the trailer, because coming up, one of the stars of that movie, a man who takes a small role but really nails it, Robert Davi, is going to join us on the other side.

00:02:51.300 Welcome to your life.

00:02:55.600 There's nothing a retired governor can do, but a president.

00:02:59.340 Now he can do a thing or two.

00:03:01.700 Everybody wants to rule the world.

00:03:07.260 I will be frank with you that as a citizen, I would not like to see any political party outlawed on the basis of its ideology,

00:03:15.060 because I still believe, Mr. Chairman, that democracy can handle it.

00:03:18.820 I was a brand new KGB officer, given my first intelligence assignment.

00:03:25.780 A certain actor and union leader.

00:03:28.500 Dutch, there is no purpose for your life. 1.00

00:03:31.620 You can run from a bully for so long, but after a while, you're going to have to stand up to him.

00:03:37.280 Here's my boy!

00:03:38.620 There's about to be another war right here in Hollywood.

00:03:44.040 The commies on one side, the mob on the other.

00:03:46.720 And you're right in the middle, son.

00:03:49.220 If you put as much work into your career as you do making your speeches, you'd have an Oscar by now.

00:03:57.120 Hello, I'm Nancy Davis.

00:03:58.840 Hello, Nancy Davis.

00:03:59.700 I'm Ron Reagan.

00:04:00.860 I'm curious, Ron.

00:04:02.080 What would you say is the issue of our time?

00:04:04.400 No question about it.

00:04:06.700 Communism and the Soviet Union.

00:04:08.680 Get in the game.

00:04:09.700 Run for office.

00:04:10.840 Let's do the world.

00:04:15.520 Robert Davi joins us now in the Stone Zone.

00:04:19.520 Thank you for having me, Roger.

00:04:20.940 It's great to see you, my friend.

00:04:22.480 I'm really very glad you could do it at the last minute, and I deeply appreciate your being able to do so.

00:04:30.480 I appreciate you.

00:04:31.500 You have a new video, music video.

00:04:36.020 It's up on X.

00:04:37.120 It's very powerful.

00:04:39.000 I think that's the best place to start.

00:04:40.860 Let's roll it.

00:04:41.540 What is America to me?

00:04:50.920 What is America to me?

00:05:04.840 A name, a name, a map, or a flag?

00:05:10.460 I see a certain word, democracy.

00:05:19.300 What is America to me?

00:05:24.320 The house I live in, a plot of earth, the street, the grocer and the butcher and the people that I meet.

00:05:43.020 Extraordinarily powerful.

00:05:56.380 Extraordinarily powerful.

00:06:06.300 You know, Robert, I have a friend in Hollywood.

00:06:09.020 He's an actor.

00:06:10.280 He's a well-known actor.

00:06:12.000 He has work.

00:06:13.880 He strongly supports President Trump.

00:06:16.900 He's a real patriot.

00:06:17.880 He just asked me to be sure that I don't tell anybody because of the system.

00:06:24.420 You have been absolutely fearless going all the way back to 2016 about how you feel about this country and where it's headed, your support for President Trump.

00:06:37.580 I'm sure that it has, in some cases, had a damaging effect on your career.

00:06:43.500 I'm guessing there are certain parts that you'd be perfect for that they probably don't consider you for anymore.

00:06:48.720 But I went and saw the Reagan movies.

00:06:51.160 As I told you, you have a small part, but you make it a big part.

00:06:56.640 You're not on camera that long, but you just nailed it.

00:07:00.300 I mean, you nailed it.

00:07:02.160 I think it's one of the greatest movies I've ever seen, to be quite honest with you.

00:07:06.980 Thank you, Roger.

00:07:07.840 It's a very powerful film.

00:07:09.380 A great performance by Dennis Quaid and Penelope Ann Miller and our friend John Voight and many other people.

00:07:15.100 And, you know, it was fun to play Leonard Brezhnev, a Russian guy, you know, interesting to play in.

00:07:23.240 And I did a lot of research on that.

00:07:25.300 But I just want to say something.

00:07:26.700 The day that Donald Trump announced, I was writing for Breibard because Andrew asked me to write for them since 2008 or so.

00:07:33.720 The day that Donald Trump announced and came down the escalator, I wrote on Breibard that he was going to win.

00:07:40.340 This is the presidential candidate that the grassroots America had been waiting for to hear the message as they were ripping their hair out by the destruction of the progressive left and the GOP elites.

00:07:54.420 And you could see that article on Breibard and many others, 30 other five articles I wrote in defense of him every time he was written out.

00:08:02.120 And this is before everyone in Hollywood was basically a lot of the people that are for Trump now, as you know, were never Trumpers back then.

00:08:12.480 But and Reagan, I remember the the the vitriol and the divisiveness.

00:08:18.840 And I'm sure you do.

00:08:20.120 That happened with Reagan and happened with Nixon, who's now being looked at as one of our greatest presidents.

00:08:26.240 But the thing with Reagan and Donald Trump, they might be stylistically different, but their love of America and their wanting to fight the people that are trying to pull us apart from within are unqualified.

00:08:41.220 And it's a it's a it's a the battle, as I wrote in one of my articles, for the soul of America back in 2016.

00:08:47.700 And here we are again.

00:08:50.660 As everyone saw the debate the other night and even the in the tank message that Merrick Garland gave, nobody wants anybody hurt.

00:09:00.340 But we had a president that was almost assassinated Merrick.

00:09:03.740 What about what happened with the Russia collusion with Adam Schiff, Merrick?

00:09:08.400 Bring that up.

00:09:09.120 What about 51 people, Merrick, that said there was no laptop of Hunter Biden, of which I wrote.

00:09:16.080 I did the film.

00:09:17.720 I directed the film of it.

00:09:18.800 What about the Steele D'Arcier and the spying on that campaign, Merrick?

00:09:25.240 So, you know, the left has captured the media and people in Hollywood are afraid to speak out that as you have your friend.

00:09:32.620 I have several of mine that even can't have me on some of their shows because they say, well, I can't let them know because a lot of my friends are, you know, and I can't.

00:09:41.660 And it's unfortunate because the GOP, I've always said brain dead in culture sometimes, and they still haven't embraced the culture strong enough.

00:09:50.960 The left will.

00:09:55.660 Anyway, I could go on and on.

00:09:57.920 No, this is good.

00:09:58.960 Please continue.

00:10:00.740 I'm sure.

00:10:02.320 The left understands culture and they understand their celebrity. 0.98

00:10:07.900 The GOP is brain dead.

00:10:09.500 The people, I'm sorry, some of the people don't understand the effect that they can have.

00:10:13.860 I'm sure Obama went to George Clooney and said, write the article in the New York Times that killed Joe Biden.

00:10:22.800 I'm sure that happened because you needed a celebrity that was popular in a way.

00:10:27.160 And he put the word out there and now it became a big thing.

00:10:31.500 This was going on before that big fundraiser in Hollywood.

00:10:35.200 You know what I mean?

00:10:35.840 That was the send off party, I think, for Joe Biden.

00:10:39.960 Not a not a fundraiser.

00:10:41.360 But anyway, the GOP has continually missed the boat in terms of culture and using assets that they should use.

00:10:49.680 And I'm astounded by it.

00:10:51.360 And I've written about it many, many times.

00:10:56.440 And here you have a contested, a very, very hotly contested election.

00:11:03.420 And we need to help.

00:11:06.120 We need to do stuff to help.

00:11:07.960 And we get voices out there because the left is going to do it.

00:11:13.120 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

00:11:15.860 You know, back in the day, I knew a Republican political consultant, a very smart guy named Mike Murphy.

00:11:23.220 These days, Mike is cheerleading online for Kamala Harris and her campaign.

00:11:28.360 So that's kind of disappointing.

00:11:29.700 But he did have one great line that I agree with. 1.00

00:11:33.300 Never underestimate the stupidity of the Republican Party. 0.99

00:11:37.480 And as a lifelong Republican, well, briefly to become a libertarian, then I returned to the party of Lincoln to help Donald Trump conduct what was really the hostile takeover of the party of Lincoln, to bring it back to its roots as the party of the working people, the party of the middle class. 0.99

00:11:57.480 The traditional values that had been hijacked by the Bushes to become a globalist party. 0.82

00:12:06.640 Let's go to the debate.

00:12:07.860 It's astounding on that.

00:12:09.020 You know, I tell people, and we talked about the movie Reagan.

00:12:13.360 I tell people that here you had George Bush, who for eight years watched the success of Peace Through Strength.

00:12:20.080 The same thing Donald Trump understands.

00:12:23.700 And you had this, this, and the Bushes seem like wonderful, wonderful people.

00:12:28.980 But what does Bush run on in 1988?

00:12:32.440 After he saw Peace Through Strength, he runs on a kinder, gentler nation.

00:12:36.920 What the hell was that all about?

00:12:38.960 You're telling me and the public that Reagan was a tough guy.

00:12:43.660 Demonize that aspect, I think, in some ways.

00:12:45.880 I mean, that's another long conversation, and you're much more adept at this than I am.

00:12:50.100 I'm just a pretty face.

00:12:55.740 No, you're not wrong.

00:12:58.800 And by the way, that line in his speech, that he stood for a kinder, gentler nation, really aggravated Nancy Reagan, because in some way it was a repudiation of the great things Reagan had done.

00:13:11.940 Reagan, yeah.

00:13:13.020 And he also, of course, Reagan stoutly, through eight years, held the line on federal tax increases.

00:13:20.960 Richard Darman and George Bush and others said, Mr. President, you have to raise taxes.

00:13:26.980 It's the only way to solve our economic problems.

00:13:30.340 One of the great myths of the left is, well, the Reagan tax cuts caused the deficit, the ballooning deficit.

00:13:38.320 No, federal revenues went up every single year that Reagan was president after he cut taxes.

00:13:45.780 Our problem was and is a spending problem.

00:13:49.620 Our problem is not a revenue problem.

00:13:52.280 Tax cuts generate more economic activity, which generates greater tax revenues.

00:13:57.840 But then the government misspends that money.

00:14:01.800 So I actually believe the functional end of Reaganism as the guiding principle of the Republican Party is George Bush going to the 88 convention and saying famously, read my lips.

00:14:15.300 No new taxes.

00:14:16.300 No new taxes.

00:14:16.720 And, of course, the first thing he does as president is to raise taxes.

00:14:22.900 I'm going to give Troy, I'm going to give you a shot here in a second.

00:14:25.760 But I have to ask, Robert, you and I both watched that debate.

00:14:30.660 You were one of the first people I spoke to because I thought I detected acting.

00:14:35.820 That's what I saw.

00:14:36.800 What did you see?

00:14:38.240 Absolutely.

00:14:39.000 What I saw was, look, when I, growing up as an actor, we had my favorite actors, Marlon Brando, Lee Marvin, Humphrey Bogart, Edward G. Robinson.

00:14:49.100 You watched these actors and you would incorporate their technique.

00:14:53.540 You would want to make it part of your own.

00:14:55.180 So I found out where he studied with Stella Adler at the Actor's Studio.

00:14:59.880 And you go through the steps of trying to find yourself as an artist.

00:15:04.380 The same thing happens with a political ideologist or a political figure, most of them, except for Donald Trump, the most unique figure we've had in politics.

00:15:16.420 Kamala Harris is in her hand movement.

00:15:20.200 If you look at the way Obama talks, and he has that kind of off-the-cuff feeling and he does that, that was so studied.

00:15:28.360 I mean, you've got the best in Hollywood telling him, do this.

00:15:33.100 And she's been in Hollywood her whole life.

00:15:34.840 So even as a prosecutor or as a district attorney and a lawyer, she's learned these techniques.

00:15:41.300 She's understood.

00:15:42.500 It's like Gavin Newsom.

00:15:44.200 You know, they understand being able to communicate an inauthentic aspect to who they are.

00:15:52.240 And where Trump, you could see it when she, at that debate, when she stuck him with the first pin and then the other guy stuck him, you could see Trump doesn't hide.

00:16:02.860 He can't hide.

00:16:04.080 He can't be phony.

00:16:06.260 The guy can't be phony.

00:16:08.200 And from whatever, you know him better than anybody.

00:16:10.260 And from whatever I've talked or heard and known about him over the years, he, like some of the things or not like, he's who he is.

00:16:21.420 And he cares about the American people.

00:16:23.880 He cares about this country.

00:16:25.580 He cares about us getting ripped off.

00:16:28.120 He cares about manufacturing come to America.

00:16:30.020 Now, everybody has learning curves and everything else, and there are missteps here and there.

00:16:35.340 But this guy is the most misaligned individual in the history of our country, I believe.

00:16:44.420 There's no question about it.

00:16:46.060 I had a similar observation, and that is her presentation was a little too smooth.

00:16:51.960 Now, obviously, most of it was just rote memorized.

00:16:55.260 But that's a lot easier if somebody gives you the questions in advance.

00:17:01.720 Is it coincidental that Donna Brazile, who was at CNN in 2016 and indisputably was learned to have given Hillary Clinton all of the debate questions in advance, Trump crushed Hillary anyway. 0.66

00:17:18.620 But guess where Donna Brazile works now? 1.00

00:17:20.980 Oh, my goodness, she works at ABC. 0.63

00:17:23.660 You see, Mark Penn, who's a Democrat, one of the brightest guys I know, really one of the architects of Bill Clinton's re-election, he's called for a full investigation into ABC.

00:17:36.480 And what happened in that debate?

00:17:38.800 It was a mugging.

00:17:40.160 It was three on one.

00:17:42.400 What's your instinct?

00:17:43.760 Three guys come at you at once.

00:17:45.600 What are you going to do?

00:17:46.720 You're going to fight back, particularly for Donald Trump, who's a brawler by nature, who's a fighter by nature.

00:17:53.840 But, I mean, why was his microphone lower than hers so he had to lean?

00:17:58.340 He had to look like this.

00:17:59.940 Right.

00:18:00.380 And not into the camera.

00:18:02.460 Right.

00:18:03.220 And not so he could.

00:18:05.280 Go ahead.

00:18:05.880 And also, I see it like this, and the American people have to understand this.

00:18:11.500 A hat pin is about this long, right?

00:18:13.520 A hat pin.

00:18:14.220 You know what hat pins are, the old hat pins.

00:18:16.560 Imagine you sitting there talking and getting stuck by a hat pin from the right, from the left, from the center.

00:18:23.400 What's going to happen?

00:18:24.360 You're going to have a visceral response.

00:18:26.020 And that was going on with him.

00:18:27.480 Now, they knew his, they knew some of his buttons to push, but they could have, if the moderators were honest, and ABC, as everyone knows, 100% favorability toward Kamala Harris and 93% negative toward Donald Trump.

00:18:42.500 That's who they are.

00:18:43.500 The courage he took to go into that then, to go into it, that makes him win for me right there.

00:18:51.200 I'd love to see Kamala Harris go into a debate with Tucker Carlson and with Megyn Kelly or with somebody that we know is for Trump, 100%, and see how she fares. 1.00

00:19:04.020 She did a debate, she did a rally the other day, and she's reading from the prompter.

00:19:08.240 She just had a debate.

00:19:09.340 She should have these things memorized, reading from the prompter, because there's no authenticity there.

00:19:14.580 She's an actress learning a script. 0.57

00:19:16.940 That's what she did for three and a half years, and they groomed her.

00:19:20.740 There was a documentary called The Black Godfather in 2019 about a great man, Clarence Avant, who was the biggest black influencer, produced by Nicole Avant, whose husband is the head of Netflix.

00:19:33.040 In that documentary, there's all these stars, all these sports figures, because he was a black influencer.

00:19:40.120 Obama shows up, Clinton shows up, and who shows up?

00:19:43.460 Kamala Harris.

00:19:44.540 Why?

00:19:45.780 What did she, at that time, and this is before she put her name into the election, she was ordained there. 0.86

00:19:54.580 That was the crowning thing.

00:19:56.100 But anyway, it's so disgustingly bipartisan, and the American people have to understand.

00:20:03.760 You know, we have to understand this, and they have to be brought up, and they throw this abortion issue at us all the time.

00:20:09.900 I've had it up to here with abortion.

00:20:12.220 You know what?

00:20:12.720 If they called it the right to murder your baby, I would say, okay, at least frame it the right way.

00:20:21.180 At least tell people a woman's right to murder a child, for my own sensibility. 1.00

00:20:27.240 I could say, okay, then I respect your opinion, but to hide behind abortion or a woman's health or a woman's right to choose, and all this other BS, it's crazy.

00:20:37.120 It's linguistics, Noam Chomsky, it's the whole nine yards of agitpropaganda.

00:20:42.920 Anyway, sorry.

00:20:44.820 Probably one of the most egregious lies during the debate is that no state allows late abortion.

00:20:51.620 That's a lie.

00:20:52.900 And according to Axios, hardly a right-wing publication, at least nine states put no restriction on the time whatsoever.

00:20:59.880 So when Donald Trump says that eight- and nine-month abortions are common, there are actually thousands of them per year.

00:21:08.900 And yes, there are states, as the governor of Virginia did say, where they could actually kill the baby after birth.

00:21:16.300 Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat, senator from New York, called it what it was, infanticide. 0.99

00:21:22.220 But the number of lies, they call Trump a liar.

00:21:27.180 This is, you know, this is Alinsky's rules. 0.98

00:21:30.080 Trump's a liar? 0.99

00:21:31.260 Look at how many lies she told in this debate. 1.00

00:21:34.820 She recycles the Charlottesville. 0.73

00:21:37.340 Trump called Nazis fine people.

00:21:40.120 No, he didn't.

00:21:41.680 He denigrated our military veterans who gave their lives in the country.

00:21:47.100 No, one man said that, General John Kelly, and he said it after he was ignominiously fired for incompetence and insubordination.

00:21:56.880 There were 19 other people present when this supposedly happened.

00:22:00.860 Not a single other one of them has any recollection of Trump saying anything of the kind.

00:22:05.960 The question of whether illegal Haitian immigrants are eating cats or not, the left seems to want to lock down on this. 0.51

00:22:18.000 I'm sorry, but I've seen videos in the last 48 hours that were shocking, that were disgusting. 0.75

00:22:25.160 This is happening.

00:22:28.180 It was happening in Italy.

00:22:29.540 I saw videos two years ago in Italy, them taking their animals and cats and stuff like that, so they're not going to do it here in America, and now we're seeing some stuff, at least to understand that, okay, different cultures may be, for whatever reason, have different kind of ideas.

00:22:46.980 But to be taking pets and to try to minimize that and make it seem like it's a little bit of a, you know, eat cats and eat dogs and I see all these memes and everything else, which I think is going to backfire on the, it should backfire on them, Roger.

00:23:01.040 You know, there's also a thing, I don't know if you read the Sebastian Gorka article about McMasters.

00:23:05.780 Have you read that yet?

00:23:07.080 I have not.

00:23:08.840 Oh, you're going to love it.

00:23:10.440 Because they keep saying, I keep hearing from people on the left, friends of mine, that say, well, then why do people in his own cabinet or people in his own thing, and to try to tell them, because they're not for America first.

00:23:23.060 They want to continue the warmongering.

00:23:25.040 They want to continue a certain kind of philosophy.

00:23:27.660 Yeah, but they're conservative.

00:23:28.680 Like the Lynn Cheney and Dick Cheney nonsense.

00:23:31.420 You know, they want to, but McMasters, when you read this article, it's stunning.

00:23:39.600 It's shocking.

00:23:41.100 It's shocking.

00:23:42.160 McMasters, it's shocking.

00:23:44.780 I'm going to send it to you because you'll be able to cull from that some amazing information about what went on in the inner sanctum during some of those meetings and how McMasters did not want peace.

00:23:58.300 All right.

00:23:59.140 Unfortunately, as much as I could do this for another half hour, at least we are out of time.

00:24:04.500 And Troy and I, by the way, just need to say, we're huge fans of your portrayal in the movie Goonies, and we're sorry we didn't get to ask you about that.

00:24:15.080 Goonies is so good.

00:24:16.240 It's a classic, you know.

00:24:17.480 Or your work with Rodney Dangerfield as well.

00:24:21.100 I wanted to ask you about that.

00:24:22.280 I'll tell you, I get no respect.

00:24:23.440 I got to tell you, I get no respect.

00:24:25.900 I also did the last standing shows when Don Rickles was healthy in Vegas.

00:24:32.040 I sang.

00:24:32.680 He loved my voice and my performance, and he said, I want to give you this gift.

00:24:36.660 He says, and we went to the Orleans and did four shows with Rickles, and it was incredible.

00:24:42.680 And Rodney was a kick.

00:24:44.540 I have stories.

00:24:45.320 That could be another segment, Roger.

00:24:47.840 It really could.

00:24:48.920 Plus Rickles.

00:24:49.600 That's great.

00:24:50.220 Let me just say this.

00:24:52.060 Robert Davi, you are no hockey punk.

00:24:54.900 All right.

00:24:55.640 Let's wrap it up there, unfortunately.

00:24:58.180 I want to thank our guest, Robert Davi.

00:25:00.060 If you haven't seen the new Reagan movie, by all means, friends, if you love this country, and if you revere one of our greatest presidents, it's a great entertainment experience.

00:25:09.680 On behalf of my co-host, Troy Smith, and myself, I want to thank Robert Davi for being with us today in the Stone Zone.

00:25:18.280 I also want to thank A.J. Fabrizio.

00:25:20.480 Great presentation on the economic boom that Donald Trump has begun by legalizing him.

00:25:32.080 I want to get right to our guest.

00:25:34.720 A.J. Fabrizio is one of the most brilliant guys I've ever met.

00:25:39.080 He is a cannabis scientist.

00:25:41.520 He's very much pro-freedom and knows more about both the hemp and the cannabis industry than perhaps anyone in the country.

00:25:51.940 A.J. Fabrizio has just written a terrific piece at slingshot.news.

00:25:58.420 I saw it up on your MSN feed.

00:26:01.100 We are privileged to have him with us right now.

00:26:03.760 A.J. Fabrizio, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:26:06.220 Thank you, Roger.

00:26:09.020 Thank you, Troy.

00:26:09.780 Thanks for having me.

00:26:11.620 You know, I must tell you, we met a couple weeks ago because I don't fully understand all of the issues surrounding the federal regulation of THC

00:26:23.180 and the implication of some states having medicinal marijuana legalized, other states not, the inconsistencies between federal law and state law.

00:26:36.820 And you made this understandable, which is why I asked you to put together a terrific piece that you can find on Slingshot.

00:26:46.220 But also, I put it up at the Stone Zone.

00:26:48.720 It was so good.

00:26:49.820 I'm not sure a lot of people realize that when Donald Trump, as president, signed the Agriculture Improvement Act of 2018, normally called the 28 Farm Bill,

00:27:01.340 he did a lot more than just legalize hemp.

00:27:03.620 This is you writing.

00:27:05.340 He initiated a profound transformation in the American cannabis landscape.

00:27:10.320 So, lay this out for us because this bold move by President Trump not only revitalized the American agricultural sector,

00:27:23.920 but it laid the groundwork for a thriving hemp industry that is creating thousands of jobs and millions of dollars of revenue,

00:27:32.300 and therefore millions of dollars of new tax revenue.

00:27:36.060 Talk to us about what Reagan, pardon me, what Trump did when he passed the Farm Bill sections regarding hemp.

00:27:46.280 So, first I want to like to kind of give a little bit of background.

00:27:52.840 We're talking about the plant cannabis, organism cannabis, and there's two different legal definitions associated with it.

00:27:59.220 And you hear them used interchangeably, colloquially, but the reality is the term hemp and the term marijuana are legal terms.

00:28:07.560 Hemp is the varietal of cannabis that is deemed federally legal, and marijuana is a varietal of cannabis that is considered illegal.

00:28:17.920 Now, I use the term varietal loosely because that's typically something that we talk about when it's strain variants and things like that,

00:28:23.840 which is different cannabinoid contents.

00:28:25.000 But the definition prior to 2018 that defined what made hemp, what defined the line between hemp and marijuana,

00:28:33.040 because it's the same organism, was any varietal of cannabis that presented more than its cannabinoid content that had more than 0.3% THC.

00:28:43.860 So, all THCs, THCA, Delta-9 THC, Delta-8 THC.

00:28:50.000 And then it went further saying, you know, that the later definitions was isomer assaults, you know,

00:28:56.020 all the different iterations that you could ever think that would resemble THC would be considered illegal varietals.

00:29:03.600 And that's why you saw such a strict prohibition.

00:29:05.600 And that definition actually was originally proposed under the Controlled Substance Act under Nixon, I believe it was 1971,

00:29:13.320 which actually classified cannabis as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has no accepted medical value.

00:29:21.260 What happened in 2018 that actually really revolutionized everything is that they redefined the definition of hemp.

00:29:27.240 And it's going to sound like it's very nuanced, but it's important that people understand the distinction.

00:29:33.840 So prior to 2018, basically any cannabinoid, because it was substantially similar under another law called the Analogs Act, basically was illegal.

00:29:44.380 CBD was illegal, even though it was non-psychoactive.

00:29:46.440 CBG was illegal, which it's non-psychoactive.

00:29:49.520 Fast forward to 2018, there was an amendment to the definition of hemp.

00:29:53.320 And it separated and only isolated one specific cannabinoid that was the controlled substance, and that's Delta-9-THC.

00:30:00.900 So the definition changed from basically every cannabinoid to just Delta-9-THC.

00:30:06.320 And what it did is it said that if it is not Delta-9-THC and it is not above 0.3% Delta-9-THC by weight, then it is considered illegal hemp.

00:30:15.000 Now, the interesting aspect about that is the plant itself does not actually produce Delta-9-THC, which is people known as the chief psychoactive component.

00:30:25.460 It actually produces a precursor.

00:30:28.380 It's called a phytocannabinoid because it comes from the plant.

00:30:30.780 It's called tetrahydrocannabinoid acid, THCA.

00:30:33.840 And what can happen under certain circumstances, you heat it, you expose it to oxygen and to UV radiation, it can actually degrade into Delta-9-THC.

00:30:48.200 So you can think of it as something that, you know, more of a spoiled product.

00:30:52.140 I mean, I don't like using that term.

00:30:53.340 But typically, when the plant is growing, there is no time in which it physically produces Delta-9-THC.

00:31:01.980 So what does that mean for the industry?

00:31:04.300 Well, since every cannabis plant does not produce Delta-9-THC, it produces THCA.

00:31:10.700 As long as it's grown under the right conditions and stored under the right conditions, there is no actual determining factor or time where you can distinguish when it will become, quote, marijuana.

00:31:21.940 So that means that the THCA content will convert enough to Delta-9-THC that it goes above the, quote, legal limit, which is 0.3% Delta-9-THC.

00:31:31.640 So all cannabis plants growing up until it gets past that point are considered hemp, especially if they're not flowering, meaning they're not producing, they can't produce any of the resins.

00:31:42.600 And that's had a profound impact on cannabis in general.

00:31:46.920 I mean, when you really dive down into it, President Trump, when he signed the Farm Bill in December of 2018, effectively legalized a paradigm in which Americans are allowed to get and enjoy cannabis products.

00:32:05.640 Because when you go buy cannabis at a dispensary, as long as it's fresh, the majority of the content will be THCA because it hasn't had time to convert into Delta-9-THC.

00:32:19.260 So, and people say it's a loophole, but the reality is that there was three years later, there was a final rule that was released as a result of the Farm Bill.

00:32:29.940 It was 2021, and I spoke about it in the article.

00:32:32.140 And the two senators from Oregon, who proposed the original amendment, were quoted as saying that this is not, basically, this is not a loophole.

00:32:41.640 That it was congressional intent to not include THCA in the controlled substances.

00:32:48.260 Because it would basically make it difficult for farmers to start cultivating CBD and other hemp varietals because the plant itself doesn't see these chemicals as anything other than what it needs to be able to pollinate and deter animals that want to eat it or keep it healthy.

00:33:10.500 We see it as, you know, kind of an arbitrary definition of what we said, THCA, or I mean, Delta-9-THC is illegal, while these other cannabinoids are not.

00:33:22.440 And so, it's very interesting when you come down to it, because you see this dichotomy of, you know, the medical marijuana systems.

00:33:30.640 Remember, marijuana means illegal federally, even though they look the other way, it is still illegal federally.

00:33:35.800 And hemp, which is a completely legal paradigm, under the federal and most state laws, we're seeing a movement in some states to try to repeal or, I mean, make hemp production and retail sales illegal in their states.

00:33:53.000 And the vast majority of those are headed by the medical and recreational companies, because at the end of the day, hemp is now considered a USDA agricultural product.

00:34:03.540 It's no longer under the jurisdiction of the DEA.

00:34:06.080 And there's no tax associated with it, just like if you were selling corn or alfalfa or any other agricultural product.

00:34:12.120 Whereas the medical and recreational companies have to deal with these exorbitant taxes, these, quote, sin taxes, which were more of bribes at the end of the day, because sin taxes should be associated with the damage that's done to society based off that substance, like alcohol.

00:34:25.440 When we repealed prohibition because we knew we created a criminal class, we weren't foolish enough to think that it doesn't cause damage to society for citizens to enjoy it.

00:34:35.340 And so we associated the tax with it. That's where the term syntax comes from.

00:34:38.880 With cannabis, it was there was no data that ever support that there was any damage associated with cannabis and cannabis use.

00:34:46.260 And if anything, now there's quite a bit of data that shows that states save an enormous amount of money from from having legalized or liberalized cannabis laws.

00:34:56.240 And so I really want to emphasize to people who are watching that the term marijuana versus term hemp is is a legal term and that now under the hemp laws, you can go down the street and you can buy as long as it follows those rules.

00:35:13.000 And it has less than point three percent Delta nine THC. You can buy these products at gas stations.

00:35:18.560 You could buy them at any any store that feels like they want to carry them because it's considered no different than any other agricultural product.

00:35:26.240 That was excellent. Precisely why we invited you on the show today.

00:35:30.400 You have a way of making a relatively complicated issue pretty understandable for our listeners who don't understand hemp has multiple uses.

00:35:41.780 It's not just this recreational use. I mean, what what other products can hemp be used?

00:35:50.020 So back when I started doing research on this.

00:35:53.500 So for those who don't know, the reason why I got involved in hemp or in cannabis in general is because I have epilepsy and I grew up in the D.C. area.

00:36:02.980 I grew up not believing that there was any real use for cannabis products other than palliative use associated with nausea and vomiting for chemotherapy and things like that.

00:36:11.300 I will spare you guys the long story, but I was I was suffering from seizures in college and my next door neighbor in the dorms got me to try it when I had a seizure in his dorm room when I was really resistant and I didn't have seizures for a few days when I should have had quite a few.

00:36:28.280 I thought that it was placebo effect. I utilized the fact that you get access to every journal for free academic journal thought I was going to spend 30 minutes and find nothing.

00:36:37.200 And I was actually shocked at what I found that was kind of just sitting there in the in the in the literature on that change started changing my perspective.

00:36:47.200 And so one of the things that like I as I was researching more and understanding how we create a prohibition, the history of the medicines, you know, the political obfuscation, you know, all of that kind of stuff.

00:36:59.220 I started noticing that there's a lot of parallels between the hemp industry or what hemp can be and what standard oil was, the petroleum industry.

00:37:08.580 If you imagine, you know, those who don't know, and this is a very, very truncated and version, but, you know, John D. Rockefeller originally built his empire off two compounds that come from oil, gasoline and kerosene.

00:37:22.100 OK, but if you look it up, you know, gasoline only make up about 50 percent of crude oil, but that was enough money for him to find the wells, drill the wells, pump, transport on the railroads and refine it and then sell and make money.

00:37:39.480 But as time went on, he realized, like, OK, half of what I'm transporting about is useless.

00:37:44.060 Is there anything that I can do with that? And that's what we see that, you know, he invested in the in the chemical companies, Dow or I mean, DuPont, he invested in and several others and he invested in the university system.

00:37:59.500 And that was the advent of petroleum industry, petrochemical industry. 80 percent of what you touch has some type of petroleum product in it.

00:38:06.200 And I see an analogous situation with, quote, cannabinoids, you know, THC and CBD, you could argue, are the gasoline and kerosene of the hemp industry.

00:38:16.540 It has catapulted the medical marijuana and recreational marijuana industry to thirty five or so billion dollars a year, depending on who you read.

00:38:24.600 The hemp industry in the last six years only has grown to 30 billion dollars and somewhere around 100 billion dollars worth of ancillary business and revenue.

00:38:34.040 I think it's somewhere around 250,000 jobs that were produced.

00:38:38.340 But just like when Rockefeller realized that most of what he was pulling out of the ground or half of what he was pulling out of the ground, he couldn't use.

00:38:46.140 We're in that same position. The great thing, though, is we have a huge history of traditional textiles.

00:38:52.680 You know, everybody's heard about rope. Everybody's heard about fabric.

00:38:55.300 But have people heard about building materials, hemp concrete?

00:38:58.920 They're also doing research into technologies like utilizing hemp to make supercapacitors.

00:39:06.840 There's also a situation in which a lot of people don't realize this.

00:39:10.200 But prior to prohibition in 1937, most cattle and most livestock were also fed using hemp.

00:39:17.860 Back then, there wasn't a surplus of corn because of this because of all the subsidies that existed.

00:39:22.100 And hemp and grass were the main two types of feed that were that were offered to the livestock.

00:39:30.380 And I guarantee you, I know there's been some research that's been done, but, you know, the quality of hemp beef versus grass fed versus corn fed.

00:39:36.540 You'll I you will be surprised to see that hemp is probably or is the healthiest of the three.

00:39:42.720 You know, so you've got all these different just like, you know, right now, when you think about the petroleum industry, pharmaceuticals, although it's a huge industry, is a very small vertical in the full petroleum industry.

00:39:56.080 Right. It is one of the offshoots that allow that comes from petroleum refining and the products that come from petroleum.

00:40:01.560 I see that the same thing for cannabinoids when it comes to hemp.

00:40:05.900 The big game isn't cannabinoids.

00:40:09.000 The big game is is building materials, is is clothing, is the really big one is carbon capture.

00:40:19.180 Whether or not you subscribe to the idea of CO2 causing or catalyzing global warming and climate change.

00:40:28.480 It is something that is being proposed and adopted internationally and the only product that can actually sequester carbon on a regular basis and then literally really sequester products because you could put it into textiles is hemp.

00:40:44.800 And so you've got this huge opportunity where there's already enough money in the gasoline and kerosene, the cannabinoids, THC, CBD, CBG, all those different ones to fuel the industry.

00:40:55.460 So the trash is just a goldmine waiting to be explored.

00:41:02.840 Excellent point. Interestingly enough, we had a mean ally on the show yesterday.

00:41:10.120 He is a nutritionist, bodybuilding trainer, but he and his brother developed one of the earliest processes from taking the byproduct of hemp and turning it into clothing.

00:41:23.460 You make an excellent point.

00:41:26.300 In the Congress, there's an amendment that I believe is attached to both the appropriations bill and the farm bill from Congress Miller from Illinois, who is a strong Trump supporter.

00:41:41.820 But it seeks to change some of these definitions, some of these percentages that you laid out for us in the opening segment.

00:41:50.440 And of course, it it proposes to do so in the interest of protecting public health.

00:41:56.780 I kind of suspect that that's not really the purpose.

00:42:02.040 I think the purpose appears to be this tension between the the the legal recreational and medical marijuana industry and the hemp industry.

00:42:13.240 Because as you point out in your terrific article, hemp has an unlimited potential for growth as an industry, and it goes far beyond just recreational use.

00:42:26.280 I'm seeing politics in this rather than, you know, an effort to protect the public health.

00:42:32.160 Now, most I'm not a Capitol Hill guy anymore.

00:42:35.940 I work, you know, for Senator Bob Dole almost 30 years ago.

00:42:39.860 Also, my first job was in the House working for Congressman Robert Steele.

00:42:44.240 But my sources on the Hill tell me that these amendments are unlikely to be adopted.

00:42:49.920 Wouldn't they hurt tremendously, this industry that President Trump has really ignited?

00:42:55.940 Yeah, and to take it a step further, one of the like, we kind of I kind of glossed over the, you know, the benefits versus the, you know, the damages or choosing hemp as a business versus medical or recreational marijuana.

00:43:10.000 So when you make it federally legal, you no longer have issues with moving money from state to state product from state to state, you can insure it.

00:43:18.380 You also should have no issues with banking because it's considered a federally legal product.

00:43:22.760 So there are these huge companies that have exploded in the last year that sell cannabis online, and they can ship it to your door through USPS, UPS, FedEx, and it's 100% legal.

00:43:33.340 In addition, the IRS is a big thing.

00:43:37.760 The medical and recreational industry has been dealing with something called 280E, which basically says if it's considered federally legal, you can't write off the cost of your goods.

00:43:45.900 That's immensely damaging to a business and puts it at a severe disadvantage compared to, because of how expensive the product is, compared to hemp, where you can easily write it off just like it was corn.

00:43:58.720 But to answer your question, Roger, you know, there's a lot of fear mongering that's associated with cannabis in general, and I feel like it's just, it's archaic at this point.

00:44:09.480 When I first started in the cannabis industry and specifically educating, like in Florida, when we first passed the low THC medical marijuana law, you know, there are a lot of people who are brought up under the dogma that cannabinoids are poisonous, they cause damage.

00:44:32.000 The reality is that's just absolutely incorrect.

00:44:35.980 I mean, one of the reasons why we saw such a surge in support is because it helped with one of the most, one of the diseases that we have the least amount of success treating, which is epilepsy.

00:44:46.820 And that's a neurological disease.

00:44:48.740 So, so obviously it doesn't cause neurological damage.

00:44:52.980 Nobody's ever died from it, which I'm sure a lot of people know that, but there are still a lot of people who try to say, oh, there are more poison control calls than ever.

00:44:59.940 And the reality is, yes, if you take too much of it, you, you'll, you'll have some dysphoria.

00:45:05.460 You'll, you will feel uncomfortable, but there is no toxicity associated with it.

00:45:09.520 And a lot of times people call because they're feeling so uncomfortable that they don't know what to do.

00:45:14.820 But I can tell you if people were dying from it or were really being hurt from it, we would be seeing it all over the news.

00:45:21.020 And so, although they're trying to politicize this, and, and if there are medical and recreational companies that are supporting Miller, and when she says that it causes these problems, shame on you.

00:45:34.320 Because at this point, we are far past the situation in which we should be divided on this.

00:45:41.140 I mean, at the end of the day, you know, there are a lot of forward-looking marijuana companies that are looking to just turn into a hemp company because of all the benefits that I had listed before and more.

00:45:50.060 And so the Miller Amendment, as far as I understand it, seeks to redefine hemp again.

00:45:59.600 They're trying to redefine the term, like they're trying to separate cannabinoids from being naturally occurring to synthetic.

00:46:07.800 Now, what they don't understand, and one of the problems that we have, and one of the reasons why I've worked so diligently as a liaison with different legislative processes is that, you know, politicians and legislators are, you know, they are usually not very savvy when it comes to science.

00:46:26.140 And that's, and that's, that's okay, but the, the details are very important when we talk about this.

00:46:31.140 And nobody ever, as far as I can tell, has ever defined what synthetic means in, in law.

00:46:38.560 So it's arbitrary.

00:46:41.140 In addition, naturally occurring, I mean, again, there's no, there's no definition for that either.

00:46:49.060 Then they also seek, so there's basically when they're saying synthetic, they're trying to say things like Delta A, HHC, which is hexahydrocanabinol, which is a hydrogenated version of THC, just the same way that we hydrogenate oils to make margarine.

00:47:02.240 And then they're, but on Converse side, they're looking to, they're looking to raise the limit of Delta 9 THC that's associated with it from 0.3 to 1%.

00:47:15.300 Now, I want to, I really want to drill down when I talk about THC one more time, because there's a term that you may see that, that the DEA was trying to get people to agree with, and they even tried to do it here in Florida.

00:47:27.700 They use the term total THC, right?

00:47:31.000 Total THC in the version that they, they're speaking about is when you take THCA and you add the amount of THC to that amount of THCA.

00:47:44.660 Now, now there's a conversion factor.

00:47:46.220 THCA, when it converts to T, to Delta 9 THC, it loses a CO2 molecule.

00:47:51.780 The carboxylic acid actually turns into, falls away and you get bubbles that come out, CO2 leaves.

00:47:58.840 And so it loses some weight.

00:48:00.300 And so the, the real math is it's like, uh, I believe it's 87.7% of the THCA plus the Delta 9 THC content.

00:48:09.240 Okay.

00:48:10.000 That was the original, that was the original definition they were trying to push.

00:48:13.300 So that would mean that any plant growing, even if it didn't have, you know, more than 0.3 Delta 9 THC present would be considered illegal marijuana.

00:48:23.580 The problem is, is that THCA doesn't always have to convert to Delta 9 THC.

00:48:28.940 And by saying that you're actually, you're actually condemning people before anything has actually gone wrong.

00:48:35.840 And so what, one of the things that we need to keep an eye out is if they look to redefine it and go backwards and do the total THC, which is a nonsensical term anyway, because you have all the, you have other THCs, you have a Delta 8 THC.

00:48:51.380 So you like, if you're going to say the term total THC, you need to define what it is fully.

00:48:56.800 And then on top of that, there is nothing in the, there's nothing in the farm bill that exists now.

00:49:02.320 Actually, what exists is they've separated the two and that's, what's created this boom.

00:49:06.300 So when you, when you think about it and you, and those who are watching at home, the most important thing for you to understand is, and the analogy I use is cannabis all has an expiration date.

00:49:16.160 Hemp has an expiration date in which it will turn into marijuana.

00:49:19.700 The cool thing, or not the cool thing.

00:49:22.100 The great thing now though, is if it was ever identified or categorized as hemp, if it turns into marijuana, there is no criminality associated with that.

00:49:32.160 Zero.

00:49:33.680 The DEA has no jurisdiction anymore.

00:49:36.240 So once you have a product that's classified as hemp, if it quote spoils and goes above that limit, it still does not carry any criminal charges.

00:49:45.760 Retailers aren't supposed to be allowed to sell it, but they could dispose of it just like, you know, chicken that you go to, you know, that has expired at the, at the grocery store.

00:49:54.820 They're no longer allowed to sell it.

00:49:55.880 Does that mean it's bad and that's going to hurt you?

00:49:57.480 No, but we've set these standards to, to maximize safety amongst the consumers.

00:50:03.460 All right, we've got about a little less than five minutes.

00:50:07.920 Troy, a question for a cannabis scientist, A.G. Fabrizio.

00:50:12.760 Absolutely, A.G.

00:50:13.520 I just want to thank you again for submitting that piece of the Slingshot News.

00:50:16.480 It was so great.

00:50:17.320 And I just wanted to ask you, you know, we see across the country different kind of programs.

00:50:21.400 We obviously have medical marijuana here in Florida.

00:50:23.440 In states like my home state of Maryland, we have recreational marijuana in places like California and Colorado.

00:50:29.700 What system out there do you think works best?

00:50:33.120 And how do you think Florida should handle this upcoming Amendment 3 situation?

00:50:37.560 So, I always will advocate for anybody to support any legislation that actually takes away criminality from cannabis.

00:50:48.500 Okay, there's a, there's a conversation of that.

00:50:51.140 And then there's a conversation of what's the best way of doing it, like you're asking.

00:50:54.420 I personally believe under the paradigm that has already been legislated under the Farm Bill,

00:51:00.580 what we should be doing is talking about expanding that and reinforcing that so that businesses can continue to grow.

00:51:12.140 In addition, I, you know, I believe personally that, you know, there's this battle about, you know,

00:51:17.880 talking about rescheduling, talking about, you know, the FDA versus, you know, the USDA, Department of Health and Human Services.

00:51:26.300 I don't like hemp as a whole, I feel like is a very large undertaking when we include all these other things that we talked about,

00:51:33.280 carbon capture, textiles, all of that, you know, there needs to be funding mechanisms.

00:51:37.720 The USDA just recently started giving out grants around hemp, which is really exciting.

00:51:44.280 You know, I think that the paradigm under the federal government actually allows for the best, you know,

00:51:50.920 I'm a libertarian at heart, so I don't want to, you know, I'm not saying that we should have the federal government create all the rules,

00:51:57.400 but they should allow for it and allow for the states to determine the programs that they choose to use.

00:52:04.240 Medical and recreational have served their purpose up until this point.

00:52:08.900 And like I said, I will always advocate for the liberalization,

00:52:11.980 but I think the most pragmatic approach is to allow young entrepreneurs, bright minds,

00:52:18.980 free open access to really tackle and see the new applications that we can use and utilize around this cash crop.

00:52:27.460 I mean, it was the cash crop that helped us build America originally,

00:52:31.120 so much so that when we made it illegal, we actually had to start,

00:52:34.540 we had to start issuing stamps, tax stamps in Kentucky to be able to fight World War II,

00:52:39.260 to make the parachutes and all that. And so, you know, this is something that's known in history to be very valuable,

00:52:45.440 and we haven't been able to apply all these new sciences to it. And that's a very exciting idea.

00:52:50.940 So I guess to answer your question, you know, I really think the most pragmatic approach is to give the support to the federal government,

00:52:58.200 let people know that, like, maybe we should create an agency specifically to oversee hemp because of all the different facets that it actually provides,

00:53:06.580 and maybe not put all the responsibility on the FDA and the USDA.

00:53:12.060 Because, you know, when you really think about the implications of what this is, you know,

00:53:17.300 I did a cursory analysis of what it would be like if we took 10% of our, of the corn acreage that we farm and switched it to hemp.

00:53:25.480 And when you get down to it, you know, you can make an argument that there's a, so a half a trillion dollar swing in value,

00:53:32.400 just from 9.1 million acres. So, you know, this is, this is a very exciting, very exciting field.

00:53:39.020 And I do believe that if we embrace this, we can take the good parts of the petrochemical industry,

00:53:45.080 and we can start adapting it for what we'd like to see in the screen future.

00:53:48.800 A.J., there is some discussion, I guess you'd call it rumor, that Kamal Harris may soon come out in favor of rescheduling marijuana,

00:54:02.380 cannabis, under the federal drug laws. Others of my friends think that this is a mistake.

00:54:08.160 They think it should be entirely de-scheduled. Tell us what you think.

00:54:13.380 So, the scheduling conversation, I feel like is, again, I always am going to move, I'm always going to support, you know, removing criminality, right?

00:54:25.900 So, Schedule 3 is, there is a, there is a chemical call that's trademarked as Marinol, patented as Marinol, which is synthetic THC.

00:54:36.800 And I won't get into how they patented it and stuff like that and the identity.

00:54:40.280 But it is, because it's Schedule 3, I believe that's the reason why people are suggesting that we reschedule the Schedule 3.

00:54:48.020 But the reality of the matter is, I mean, I would think that we need to do like a full analysis on THC, Delta 9 THC,

00:54:59.280 and really be honest with ourselves and realize that, you know, where it should sit on the scheduling, if they're going to reschedule.

00:55:06.900 Personally, with the hemp paradigm that exists and the medical and recreational paradigm that exists, you know,

00:55:14.660 rescheduling is going to be helpful from a federal standpoint, but it still won't be legal federally for anybody,

00:55:23.520 but pharmaceutical companies and medical practitioners to prescribe.

00:55:29.840 So, so you're going to have this paradigm where, you know, under the state laws, they can't use the word prescribe.

00:55:34.900 They use the word recommend, and that was something that was pioneered in 1996 under Prop 215 in California.

00:55:41.540 But you're going to have a really weird hodgepodge, you know, you're going to have doctors and pharmaceutical companies that are putting out these marijuana products,

00:55:51.620 and some of them will be using prescription pads, while other people will go to the doctors that give them recommendations where they can go to dispensaries.

00:55:58.740 And so I feel like, at the end of the day, there's a simplifying factor.

00:56:06.320 You know, if we were to, like I said, revisit the hemp definition and expand it, you know, 0.3% Delta 9 THC was an arbitrary number that was set.

00:56:17.900 There's no, I can't find any data that suggests that it needs to be 0.3.

00:56:22.480 And, and ironically, you know, something like kombucha can have up to 3% alcohol and be sold in stores and considered non-alcoholic.

00:56:33.500 So, so, you know, and we know the detriment that alcohol has to the human body.

00:56:38.140 So it's, it's, it seems like arbitrary to me.

00:56:40.920 So I, I would like to see a real discussion around this and, and creating more pragmatic limits so that you can see, you know, like I said, this more research going into this, but ultimately, I mean, it's, it's just, it's odd that, and I, and I wonder, Roger, if it's, you know, a little bit of like, you know,

00:57:06.540 hand wavy look over here, kind of a situation, because ultimate, because obviously it being schedule one hasn't fettered the explosion of the medical and recreational industry or the hemp industry, you know?

00:57:18.560 So the most important thing is that we let, you know, the DEA, there are still some factions that want to see it, you know, made, kept illegal and they're, they're, they're, they're doing some underhanded things.

00:57:29.220 But the vast majority realize that this is, this is not worth their, you know, they'd rather be spending time on finding, you know, looking for fentanyl and working on human trafficking.

00:57:40.000 All right.

00:57:40.780 I'm afraid we have to leave it there.

00:57:43.400 AJ Fabrizio, a cannabis scientist and freedom advocate.

00:57:48.380 I want to thank you for joining us today.

00:57:50.280 I urge you folks to go to slingshot.news, you can also go to stonezone.com and look at his brilliant article on Trump and hemp, that's how it's titled, at the Stone Zone.

00:58:02.880 He explains how Donald Trump has unleashed an extraordinary level of economic opportunity, job creation, new revenues,

00:58:11.620 and why these new regulations or limitations on the hemp industry are probably a pretty bad idea.

00:58:21.100 AJ Fabrizio, thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:58:24.440 That was great.

00:58:26.060 Thank you, Roger.

00:58:26.660 Thank you, Troy.

00:58:27.920 Thank you very much for joining this week.

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