The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit

00:00:05.540 Roger Stone. Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:11.240 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald

00:00:15.960 Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,

00:00:20.920 spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the

00:00:25.960 Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena,

00:00:31.100 Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:40.900 Welcome. I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in The Stone Zone. I have said here on The Stone

00:00:48.760 Zone numerous times that I think America is in the middle of a massive political realignment.

00:00:54.800 This is a realignment as big as that of 1932, forged by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Prior to 1932,

00:01:05.180 a majority of African Americans voted for the Republican candidate for president because of

00:01:11.040 the role of the Republican Party in the emancipation of the slaves. But because of Herbert Hoover's

00:01:17.800 anemic response to the Great Depression and the New Deal policies of Franklin Roosevelt, a new governing

00:01:25.900 coalition was born. This involved African Americans in the Midwest and in the Northeast, as well as in

00:01:34.440 the South, along with, of course, the solid South. So you had segregationists and Black Americans all in the

00:01:43.200 same coalition. That coalition allowed Democrats to rule America from 1932 until 1952 with the election of

00:01:52.160 Dwight Eisenhower. Then in 1968, a new political majority was formed. It was called the Great Silent

00:02:00.480 Majority by President Richard Nixon. This was a realignment in which blue-collar, ethnic, largely Catholic

00:02:07.600 Democrats in the Northeast and the Midwest joined with white Southern conservative Democrats in the South

00:02:16.160 and libertarian-oriented Republican conservatives in the West to form a new governing coalition.

00:02:24.080 Although Nixon was elected with a plurality of the vote,

00:02:29.040 Alabama Governor George Wallace having run as independent, that coalition really won a smashing

00:02:36.320 victory in 1972 in which Richard Nixon carried 49 of 50 states. That same coalition, interrupted by

00:02:45.920 Watergate but only briefly, elected Ronald Reagan in 1980, and it was essentially the underpinnings of the

00:02:54.000 coalition that very narrowly elected Donald Trump in 2016. Now, I believe that we are on the cusp of a

00:03:02.800 new realignment. There are several reasons for this. First, the old Democrat Party, the party of Harry

00:03:11.040 Truman, the founder of Israel, the party of John F. Kennedy, an ardent anti-communist who believed in a

00:03:18.000 strong national defense and a silver-backed dollar. The Democrat Party that was emblematic of the working

00:03:26.800 class, the middle class, that Democrat Party no longer exists. Those who once followed Truman and Kennedy

00:03:35.200 now follow Marx and Lenin. That party having been driven so far to the left that it is virtually

00:03:42.000 unrecognizable. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has forged a new coalition that includes millions of disaffected

00:03:50.160 Democrats, independents, libertarians, and, well, yes, free thinkers. The greatest symbol of this, of course, is

00:03:58.800 his alliance with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and former Democrat congresswoman, now a Republican, Tulsi Gabbard. One of the other

00:04:08.000 people who's very important, I believe, in this realignment is former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.

00:04:15.760 And Rod Blagojevich joins us now in the Stone Zone.

00:04:21.840 Hello, Roger. Thank you for the introduction. And that was a wonderful opening and so historically true. And

00:04:27.680 we are at a historical crossroads here in the United States. Donald Trump is leading a historic

00:04:33.440 political realignment. It got interrupted because of COVID. It was interrupted because the Democrats

00:04:38.480 engaged in lawfare, which incidentally was sort of what happened in the 70s with regard to President

00:04:43.360 Nixon and the building of this new political coalition that had to wait from 72 until 1980 to

00:04:48.640 come back and make a big difference. But this is a unique opportunity, Roger, to not just win an

00:04:55.680 election. That's a means to an end. The end is to make our country great again and to make it good.

00:05:01.360 And to do that is to solidify a governing coalition, not just for the next four years,

00:05:06.960 but in the years, the decades and the years and decades ahead. And I think President Trump is off

00:05:11.920 to a great start because he's the... Well, Roger, remember the commercials they used to have in the

00:05:16.480 1970s? We're old enough to remember there was the soda wars between Coca-Cola and Pepsi. And then

00:05:21.680 there was this soft drink called 7-Up. And they were portraying themselves as the un-Cola. Well,

00:05:26.880 Donald Trump is the un-politician because he's actually fights to keep his promises. And he

00:05:31.360 doesn't wait. He does it right away. And you can see by his early decisions and the cabinet

00:05:36.240 appointments that he's determined to keep the promises he made to the American people and to

00:05:41.200 this new coalition that he's put together. So it's very exciting. We're living in very interesting

00:05:44.880 times. And I have great hope for the future of the United States in the wake of everything that's

00:05:49.520 happened so far, which has given me a great, I said, not a little bit of despair.

00:05:56.480 Well, for those of my viewers who don't know you, I want to talk a little bit about you,

00:06:00.800 if you don't mind. You've had a very interesting life, to say the least. You were the first governor

00:06:06.880 of Illinois elected after 26 years of Republican governors. Later, however, you became known as federal

00:06:14.320 prisoner number 40892-424 after you were unjustly convicted of public corruption charges,

00:06:23.840 when you essentially refused to appoint Valerie Jarrett to the U.S. Senate seat that was being

00:06:30.160 vacated by Senator Barack Obama. This was particularly interesting in view of the fact that I believe

00:06:37.440 you were the first Democrat governor in the country to endorse Barack Obama for president. This is, to my

00:06:44.960 knowledge, other than what happened to Richard Nixon, one of the earliest examples of the total

00:06:51.200 politicization and the political targeting by our criminal justice system. The most interesting thing

00:07:02.640 about your prosecution was that they claimed that the evidence against you was contained on a tape

00:07:10.480 because you were being wiretapped. Okay, that's fine. But then they refused to play the tape. You faced

00:07:18.080 trial, but I believe two different judges refused to play the tape, which they claimed would incriminate

00:07:24.640 you, and you insisted, if they would just play the tape, would exonerate you. This, to me, is one of the

00:07:32.080 most outrageous examples of the criminalization of our system. You served eight hard years in prison,

00:07:39.920 but you've come out an amazingly resilient man. I mean, you are unbroken, unbowed. I've been out with

00:07:46.880 Chicago. I've been out with you. The people love you. They love you so much that the Illinois Democrats

00:07:53.840 had to pass a law to make sure that you could never run for state or local office again because

00:07:59.600 they know if you ran, well, you'd most likely win. So I salute you. We become very good friends because

00:08:06.480 we have this shared experience of being targeted by politically motivated prosecutors. But you've

00:08:14.160 emerged from this horrific experience a stronger person, a better person. I also think it's important

00:08:22.320 that people should recognize your incredible record as governor. You're a Democrat who fought his entire

00:08:30.320 time in the governor's office against tax increases on the working people of Illinois. You're a governor

00:08:37.600 who, for example, just go into your record, you provided free mammograms and pap smears for tens of

00:08:43.840 thousands of women who couldn't afford them and had no health insurance. You established public

00:08:50.000 transportation for every senior citizen. You had an incredible record of progress that was,

00:08:57.120 I think, kind of right down the center. You fought tax increases, you fought wasteful spending,

00:09:03.440 yet you really delivered for the people. I honestly believe, I've said this before,

00:09:08.320 I've said it on the radio, I've said it here, the reason they had to send you to prison is because

00:09:12.720 they hadn't, you would have been elected president. I absolutely believe that.

00:09:16.240 I don't know about that, but thank you for talking about my record a little bit. The best thing we did

00:09:23.360 was provide affordable, access to affordable health care to every child. And we did that without

00:09:28.000 raising taxes too. And the public transportation for our seniors and the disabled was free public

00:09:33.120 transportation. And that we did, I did because the Democrats, my party and led by the party chairman,

00:09:39.440 and Madigan, who's now on trial for corruption, personal aggrandizement kind of stuff.

00:09:46.000 Well, they passed the sales tax increase on the people of Illinois. And you know,

00:09:49.360 this sales tax is a, is a regressive tax that disproportionately hurts poor people and seniors

00:09:54.400 and, and people living on fixed incomes. That's the supposedly, well, I mean, what it does is it goes

00:09:59.840 after Democrat voters. And the great irony is, this is how the Democrats treat their constituents.

00:10:04.480 They just want to nickel and dime them with taxes because they only want to do is spend the people's

00:10:08.720 money to feed the establishment that they really work for, not the people. And there are Republicans

00:10:13.440 like this too. Don't get me wrong, but that's what's happened to the Democrat party. And so when

00:10:17.200 they did this, I had mandatory vetoed their sales tax increase. And I wrote in, well, every senior

00:10:23.760 citizen and every disabled person in Illinois takes the bus for free. And that was when they first began

00:10:29.200 to want to impeach me, believe it or not. We're actually doing something good for the people.

00:10:33.280 I governed Rogers sort of a little bit. I would say my, the ends were really about the stuff that

00:10:40.000 Democrats claim, therefore really doing something to help people. The means were more traditional

00:10:44.960 Republican, which was, you didn't have to go back to the people for more money. There was plenty of

00:10:48.640 money there. I found where it was and it was being hidden and protected for the special interests.

00:10:53.680 And when you take on the establishment like I do, and when you play with money, because that's serious

00:10:57.440 business and you're moving it around and taking it away from where it was and giving it to the people

00:11:01.520 to help them and in a form of sort of tax reduction, because you're actually giving them

00:11:05.360 something for the taxes they pay. Well, they, you piss off a lot of people and they want to destroy

00:11:10.400 you. And when I was sitting in prison all those years and I watched what they were doing to President

00:11:14.480 Trump, it was, as I've said before, deja vu all over again. He was literally, he was honestly fighting

00:11:20.000 the system, fighting the establishment. I think there were some things that he's learned since then,

00:11:24.800 which is he brought some people on who are establishment people who betrayed him and his

00:11:28.480 agenda. This time around, he's learned his hard lesson and you can see by his early picks,

00:11:33.680 none of those people are establishment Washington people. They are like him,

00:11:36.800 determined to shake things up and change things and make the government,

00:11:39.760 our government work for the people instead of the people working for it. So thank you for your kind

00:11:44.000 words, Roger. It was really nice of you to say that. I don't know if I'd ever be president. I was inmate number

00:11:48.800 408-92424 for eight long years. I would never give in. They wanted to squeeze me and make me

00:11:54.800 say things that weren't true. I could never do it. They were corrupt. They hijacked a governor twice

00:11:59.520 elected by the people. They couldn't convict me at a first trial. They tried me a second time. And what

00:12:03.520 they simply did was they rewrote jury instructions and used the standard the Supreme Court expressly said

00:12:08.880 was not the law to convict legal conversations. By the way, no money changed hands. I never took a

00:12:14.080 penny. No one even said I did. It was all politics started by Obama.

00:12:18.800 Yeah, you said steadfastly throughout the entire thing. You maintained your innocence. Fortunately,

00:12:24.080 President Donald Trump recognizes that you were innocent, that you were a political target of

00:12:29.040 Barack Obama. Therefore, he commuted your sentence in February 18th of 2020. Now, as everybody who

00:12:37.680 watches this show knows, I was also targeted by Robert Mueller and his thugs and the Russian collusion

00:12:44.560 and even though his final unrejected report, which the judge refused to supply to my defense attorneys

00:12:52.320 at trial, actually admitted in black and white, he found no evidence of Russian collusion, WikiLeaks

00:12:59.040 collaboration, or for that matter, any other crime. I was convicted on process crimes simply because I

00:13:06.320 refused to turn and lie and provide false testimony against Donald Trump. Now, one night,

00:13:13.440 Rod Blagojevich and I were at Mar-a-Lago. We were privileged to be invited by the President. We're

00:13:18.080 having dinner over in a corner. And the President, you know, at night likes to spin songs. He's kind of

00:13:23.280 his own disc jockey. He has his little computer and his Spotify. And a guy came up to the table and said,

00:13:30.480 Roger, Governor, the President wants you to know that the next song he's playing is for you guys.

00:13:35.200 And then he played Elvis's jailhouse rock. I thought it was a hysterical moment, a truly hysterical moment.

00:13:45.760 Let's talk about the new administration because I think you put your finger on it. For those who thought

00:13:51.440 that, as I think to some extent happened in 2017, where the political establishment, when they have an outsider,

00:14:00.160 and I think, by the way, Jimmy Carter was an outsider. He wasn't favored to be the nominee. He

00:14:04.640 was a governor of Georgia. They co-opt you. People like Stuart Eisenstadt and Brzezinski and so on,

00:14:12.400 people Jimmy Carter probably never met before he became president. They move into your presidency.

00:14:17.520 Here's the argument they always make. Well, you don't really know how things in Washington work.

00:14:21.920 We do. We can really help you. Okay? That's what they always say. Carter, I think,

00:14:26.960 was not a bad man or is not a bad man. I think he's a good man. He's a fine Christian. I think

00:14:31.680 he's honest. He never took a dime. I think he was a terrible president, but that's because they

00:14:36.400 hijacked his presidency and he was just another establishment tool. They tried to do this to some

00:14:43.440 extent to Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was persuaded to bring the Bush Republicans into his White House.

00:14:51.440 Ken Kochigian, who worked for President Richard Nixon as a speechwriter, was with him both in his

00:14:59.040 final presidential days, but also went to San Clemente with him, was with him in exile, and then

00:15:05.040 recruited by Governor Ronald Reagan to join his presidential campaign in 1980, and then went to

00:15:11.440 the Reagan White House, has a terrific new book out in which he talks about how the establishment,

00:15:17.840 when you have an outsider like Reagan, when they can't beat you, when they can't destroy you,

00:15:23.440 well, then they seek to co-opt you. They seek to surround you with people who really don't share

00:15:30.080 the president's agenda or his priorities, but who actually think that their job is to dilute or delay

00:15:38.960 or derail the president's agenda. Now, in defense of President Trump, he came from the world of

00:15:46.400 business. When he was first elected president, he had a vision of making America first again. He had a

00:15:52.000 vision of rebuilding our military strength. He had a vision of having a more muscular foreign policy

00:15:58.880 based not on going around the world to look for foreign wars to jump into where we had no inherent

00:16:05.440 interests, but returning to the Eisenhower-Reagan doctrine of peace through strength. In other

00:16:11.760 words, you're so strong and so resolute, nobody wants to mess with you. Vladimir Putin didn't invade

00:16:19.200 Russia, pardon me, Ukraine under Donald Trump. He wouldn't dare. The Chinese would not move on Taiwan

00:16:26.400 while Donald Trump was president. They wouldn't dare. Now, what they saw in Joe Biden was weakness,

00:16:33.920 and weakness, as you know, only provokes aggression. So I think that we are going to return to that now.

00:16:44.000 But even with those quizlings in 2017 and the first Trump term, they weren't really able to stop his

00:16:54.480 agenda. He was an incredibly successful president, gave us the most robust economy in our history,

00:17:01.120 started no new foreign wars, brought tens of thousands of people back from the Middle East,

00:17:06.800 soldiers, men and women, without the countries they're leaving, collapsing into the hands of the

00:17:11.360 enemy behind them, rebuilt the strength of our military. He was an amazingly successful president,

00:17:19.680 which is precisely why they tried to destroy him. What happened to you is horrific. What happened to me

00:17:26.640 was horrific. What happened to General Flynn was horrific. But what happened to President Donald

00:17:31.680 Trump is unbelievable. I mean, first they tried to destroy him financially, to bankrupt him.

00:17:39.760 Then, when that didn't really work, they tried to knock him off the ballot in all 50 states,

00:17:45.760 having no legal basis to do so. And then, of course, they're still trying to figure out some way to

00:17:51.520 lock him up in a case in which they can't even prove that there's a crime. There is no crime for

00:17:57.120 which he should be, that he should be incarcerated. That's why I say that this smashing victory,

00:18:04.800 this past election, even though he didn't carry 49 states, as Nixon did in 1972, it's an even bigger

00:18:11.760 comeback because he wasn't just facing an election. He was facing an all-out war to destroy him, which they

00:18:19.040 used the Justice Department and their allies in the fake news media to destroy him. And he beat them

00:18:26.160 across the board. My first question regarding this, Governor, were you surprised at how big

00:18:33.200 Donald Trump's victory was? He carried every swing state. It wasn't close. Record numbers of African

00:18:38.960 Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans voting for Donald Trump. Did the size and breadth of this

00:18:45.920 victory surprise you? You know, Roger, I've made two big predictions this year, and I got one wrong

00:18:52.000 and one right. First one was, I believe the Cubs would win the National League Central. They didn't

00:18:56.000 come close. But I did say, days before the election, that Trump was going to sweep all the battleground

00:19:02.800 states. And I believe that because I know Democrat voters, because I've been a Democrat governor. I had

00:19:07.920 a Democrat congressman, and I come from a working class background. My mother and father were working

00:19:11.760 people. I just know how they think. I know the issues that matter to them. They have the values

00:19:17.840 that are important. And Trump was speaking to those. Again, it's part of that historic realignment.

00:19:23.440 And she, Kamala Harris, a San Francisco ultra-liberal socialist, whatever you'd want to

00:19:30.320 call her, just wasn't going to play in Peoria, as Nixon used to say. So I wasn't surprised at all.

00:19:36.000 And I think there's a historical context to this as well. He's, President Trump is leading a great

00:19:41.840 movement and a realignment, but he's also riding the wave of this realignment, a lot like how Nixon

00:19:47.440 did in 72, and how Reagan did in 80 and 84. So, and frankly, Roosevelt did with the Democrats back

00:19:54.160 in the early 1930s. That's what's happening in America today. So, no, I wasn't surprised. But I do

00:19:59.840 want to back up real quick, Roger. Just, I want to sing your praises. Boy, you're fascinating, and God

00:20:03.680 forbid you and I ever have to go through what we went through before. And I find myself in prison

00:20:07.520 again, and let's say you're with me. And I don't wish this on you, but man, it'd be great to spend

00:20:12.080 time with you because you've got so much information. You know so much about the past, about politics,

00:20:17.120 about history, and you're so interesting. And you're also defiant. And I watched you from prison.

00:20:22.880 And you know, the Bible teaches us resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. And when I,

00:20:27.200 I didn't know who you were. And I'm up in floors, I'm watching television, and it was the black TV,

00:20:31.520 because the TVs are segregated in prison. It was on CNN. The white guys watch Fox, by the way,

00:20:36.560 and the Latinos watch Univision. But I put the headphones on so I could listen. And there you

00:20:40.800 were coming out of that courthouse after they had raided your house, like they raided mine,

00:20:44.160 with SWAT teams around your house, like they did mine, and automatically have an affinity for you.

00:20:48.880 Then you came out of that courthouse, and you did the Nixon thing, you know, with the V for victory.

00:20:53.040 And I fell in love with you, because you were doing what was right, because you stood up to the power.

00:20:58.000 Because it isn't just about how bad it is what they're doing to us and our families.

00:21:01.920 It's what they're doing to our country. And nothing is sacred to these people. And in the

00:21:05.360 Democrat Party today, this lawfare stuff, this is the last thing they have. And yes,

00:21:10.000 we've come through this election, and Trump, notwithstanding all of that, won a big victory.

00:21:13.840 But here's what I'm fearful of. And I think it's very important that we don't miss this opportunity

00:21:17.440 with President Trump, that they put an end to lawfare, reform the DOJ, and pass some laws and rules to govern

00:21:25.040 state prosecutors, rein them in, and have accountability for these people. So they can't do,

00:21:30.800 again, to anybody, Republican or Democrat, what they did to Trump, what they did to you,

00:21:35.360 and what they did to me. And I would say that the Democrats are determined to do this,

00:21:40.160 because Trump has the mandate of the people now. He's got a tremendous amount of wind at his back

00:21:44.880 and a lot of momentum. Hopefully, he will finally get the honeymoon he didn't get the first time around.

00:21:49.840 And he's got a Republican House, it appears. He's going to have a Republican Senate. Granted,

00:21:53.520 there's some insiders there that he's going to have to deal with. But I think they're going to be

00:21:57.520 in the early stages afraid to stand in the way of Trump's agenda, because he's got the power of the

00:22:01.760 people behind him. And the Democrats have nothing left except one thing, their ability to engage in

00:22:06.720 this lawfare at the state level. And this is frightening. And I think it has to be brought to

00:22:12.320 account. And I think the Republicans in Congress, among the first things they should do working with the

00:22:16.160 Trump administration, is to enact reforms that will save our democracy. It's not about saving

00:22:22.560 Trump's presidency or any other person's presidency. It's about our democracy. The real threat to

00:22:27.360 democracy are from these Democrats who've turned our criminal justice system into political weapons

00:22:33.120 and have become political hitmen as opposed to public servants.

00:22:37.840 Well, Governor, I certainly look forward to being together with you again. I would suggest a nice

00:22:42.240 Italian restaurant rather than a prison cell. But I do think we would have a good time.

00:22:48.320 Two things I want to ask you about. Yesterday, I saw an ex, formerly known as Twitter, a posting

00:22:53.600 by David Axelrod, who I don't know, but I'm sure you do. And he pointed out that there's a precinct

00:22:59.440 in the city of Chicago, which happens to be entirely represent a prison. And that four years ago,

00:23:06.160 this precinct voted 90 percent for Joe Biden. But this time in that precinct, it went 49 to 47 percent

00:23:13.440 for Donald Trump. I think that makes a statement right there about the fact we know who's in these

00:23:20.000 prisons. The 1994 crime bill, as passed by, written by Joe Biden, signed by Bill Clinton, where people

00:23:28.880 are subjected to harsh mandatory penalties for the first time nonviolent crime of possession of small

00:23:35.520 amounts of marijuana, for example, people who belong in drug treatment programs, not in incarceration.

00:23:43.360 This has disproportionately and unfairly targeted black people and poor people.

00:23:49.840 I think that the people who've been in there, they've all been screwed by the man. Now, I'm not

00:23:53.920 saying some of them aren't guilty. Many of them are guilty of heinous crimes. And of course,

00:23:58.080 those people who belong in jail, but not everybody who's in jail belongs in jail. We have a broken

00:24:03.840 system. You can comment on that precinct. I wanted to bring that up because it's interesting. But this

00:24:09.440 question may be more interesting. J.D. Pritzker, this guy is so fat he has his own zip code. And his

00:24:18.800 press conference in which he says he's going to defy the effort by the Trump administration to deport

00:24:25.520 illegals. Illegals who are robbing, beating, raping, hurting, killing innocent Americans.

00:24:34.080 What's wrong with this guy?

00:24:38.400 Well, you know, he used to work for me. I appointed him as the Illinois director of the Human Rights

00:24:42.800 Commission. You know, he's a billionaire and he didn't make it. And he's always wanted to be in politics. And

00:24:51.120 he spent over three hundred fifty million dollars of his inherited money to get himself elected

00:24:55.760 governor twice in Illinois. And he's basically bought his way into the position he's in now.

00:25:01.360 And, you know, he's trying to position himself for a presidential election in 2028. He said what

00:25:06.800 he said. You have to you have to you know, if you're coming after my people, presumably he's talking

00:25:10.880 about illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities where the Democrats are just blatantly violating federal

00:25:16.480 law. It's so upside down what these Democrats are doing. He said that you'd have to go through him.

00:25:22.000 Would have been probably more accurate if he said something like you'd have to go around me.

00:25:25.360 And that might take four years just to get around me. But what's wrong with him is he's a pandering

00:25:30.560 politician, billionaire who inherited the money, who isn't about trying to like make things better

00:25:37.600 for the state of Illinois. He's made things worse because he's played the politics of

00:25:41.840 the far left. He feels like that's where the energy is. And it's really greatly unfortunate

00:25:47.520 that he would take that position real quick about that precinct. That's Cook County jail,

00:25:51.520 by the way, Roger. And I'm very familiar with that area. I used to be a criminal defense lawyer

00:25:57.600 long ago after I was a prosecutor. And I know a lot about those inmates because I lived with a lot of

00:26:03.520 that type of inmate for eight years in prison. And it is true what you say that a woman named Michelle

00:26:08.880 Alexander wrote a book called The New Jim Crow. And it was the Biden crime bill signed by Obama,

00:26:13.760 led by the Democrats, that incarcerated first time nonviolent drug offenders with these long

00:26:19.440 merciless sentences that gave him no chance at a second chance. And it's it's another form of

00:26:24.640 segregation. And it's just another example of how the Democrat Party has historically treated black

00:26:29.440 people. They pretend to be the friends of the black community. Some have been, but most of them

00:26:33.440 haven't. And the establishment doesn't want to let them off what Harold Washington called the

00:26:37.120 plantation. It's called plantation politics. They want to keep the black community overwhelmingly

00:26:42.960 Democrat, keep them aggrieved, but keep them poor. And so they'll do their social programs and just do a

00:26:48.960 little bit to keep them in need, but not enough to help lift them up out of those neighborhoods

00:26:54.800 and have a chance to live the American dream. And, you know, I learned when I was campaigning

00:26:58.000 statewide and and particularly in the black community that the American dream for those of us who live it

00:27:03.920 like me, Roger, and you two means it is meaningful to us. But in the black community, it's a very

00:27:08.480 different thing. And it's understandable because of the unfortunate and very terrible history that

00:27:12.720 they've gone through in America. And a lot of that has to do with the Democrat policies.

00:27:17.120 And the modern Democrat Party is all about dividing America along the lines of race so they can keep

00:27:23.680 the black community angry at things this generation had nothing to do with, except that the generation of

00:27:29.440 Democrats have continued to keep the black community in that place. And one of the great examples of that

00:27:33.840 is the the opposition to something like school choice, where you're denying a young black mother who's got a

00:27:39.200 young child and maybe a single mom, single or not is immaterial, a chance to be able to have a choice to

00:27:45.120 send their child to a better school because the public schools in places like Chicago, they suck because the

00:27:50.720 teachers unions have so much control and resist any kind of reforms to take away the power that they have. And here's another

00:27:57.440 example of how the Democrats have have really sold out their constituents. And it's a reason why that

00:28:02.800 precinct in Chicago and precincts across the country where Democrats are gravitated towards Trump. And that,

00:28:09.600 I think, is a trend that will continue if President Trump and the Republicans follow through on the stuff

00:28:16.000 that the president ran on.

00:28:17.040 A final point in this regard. New York State adopted a no bail policy where violent criminals

00:28:25.840 who, you know, who say you attack a little old lady and you beat her over the head and you take her

00:28:31.200 purse. Well, you don't go to jail. You're you're arraigned and you're back out on the street immediately and you

00:28:36.720 pay no bail now. And it's been a disaster for New York. Crime rates are up in New York City dramatically.

00:28:44.480 The current administration of Eric Adams denies that. But you can see, and we've proved it on this show,

00:28:50.080 they cook the numbers. They cook the numbers federally, nationally. No, crime is not down,

00:28:55.280 as Kamala Harris and Joe Biden tried to claim in the recent campaign. Crime is up. Yet, Illinois,

00:29:01.280 under Pritzker, is now adopting these same disastrous no bail policies that are such a disaster

00:29:08.480 in New York. You really have to wonder. New York, pardon me, Chicago used to be known

00:29:14.080 under Richard J. Daley, Dick Daley, the original Richard Daley, who was a great mayor.

00:29:18.560 As the city that worked, it doesn't work anymore. Nobody I know there feels safe in their home,

00:29:25.440 not just in the city, but in the suburbs. To me, this is almost incredible.

00:29:31.040 All right. We have to leave it there. Rod Blagojevich, I understand you're working on a book.

00:29:36.120 This is certain to be a bestseller. When you're ready to unveil your book, I want you to come back

00:29:41.800 here on The Stone Zone and tell us all about it and see if we can help get your story and your book out.

00:29:47.520 Just promise me that if you would. That's a campaign promise I'm eager to keep.

00:29:52.880 And thank you, Roger, for having me on. And thank you for your friendship. I really,

00:29:56.400 really value the fact that we've gotten a chance to know each other. And yes, let's get together at

00:30:00.320 an Italian restaurant, not in prison. All right. There we have it. All right, folks, Rob Blagojevich,

00:30:06.160 a former Illinois governor, a great man who was very unjustly prosecuted by a vengeful political

00:30:17.120 corrupt Justice Department, a man who, if I may coin a phrase, did nothing wrong. I admire him

00:30:23.760 because, frankly, he's not bitter. He's not broken. He admits that his Christian faith and his love of

00:30:30.160 his family got him through this ordeal. And I'm particularly glad that President Donald Trump

00:30:35.600 recognized that he had been unfairly targeted, that he didn't do anything wrong and commuted his

00:30:41.440 sentence. He's on to great things. I predict that his greatest public service lies ahead.

00:30:47.920 Great honor to have him on the show today. All right. We have a very interesting subject for you now.

00:30:55.200 It goes all the way back to Pearl Harbor. Now, in Pearl Harbor, on the attack of December 7th, 1941,

00:31:04.800 when the Empire of Japan launched their surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, 2,403 total Americans were

00:31:13.040 killed, including 68 civilians. The largest loss of life that day came from the crew of the USS Arizona.

00:31:23.600 Now, 85 years later, 85 crew members remain buried as unknown, commingled in graves at a cemetery roughly 10

00:31:34.160 miles away from Pearl Harbor. For some reason, the U.S. government, which has the means and the ability

00:31:41.680 to identify those 85,000 American heroes, simply refuses to do so. One man, Kevin Kline,

00:31:50.240 refuses to accept this decision by the federal government because it is unjust. He has something

00:31:56.960 called Operation 85, which is committed to everything necessary to get our military and

00:32:04.240 our government to identify the remains of those American history heroes. Kevin Kline of Project 85

00:32:12.400 joins us now.

00:32:17.120 Hey, Roger. How are you? Hey, Roger. Nice to see you.

00:32:17.200 Great to have you back with us again. You are in yourself a hero, fighting for justice and truth

00:32:25.040 for the families of those brave men, presumably all men, who died on the Arizona. Now,

00:32:32.080 there were other U.S. vessels attacked there, if I'm not incorrect, and the remains of those on the

00:32:40.560 other ships have been identified, correct? That's correct. I guess the other largest loss of life

00:32:48.480 was the U.S.S. Oklahoma. I think there were approximately 390 unknowns buried 10 miles away

00:32:55.840 in the same cemetery. Some people call it the Punchbowl. The official name is the National Memorial

00:33:01.600 Cemetery of the Pacific, and it was a lot of hard work by one of the survivors of the USS Arizona,

00:33:08.960 and I want to give him full credit. His name is Ray Emery. He worked his whole life trying to make sure

00:33:15.920 that his shipmates, his buddies, the ones that were left there in those graves that were marked

00:33:21.040 unknown, somehow got identified. Not many people know, and I'm learning just in a year and a half I've

00:33:27.200 been working on the Arizona project, how long and how hard Ray Emery and a few other people on his team

00:33:32.880 worked to compel the government to identify these unknowns. He did the same thing I'm doing now,

00:33:39.600 which is going out and trying to find all the family members, get their DNA reference samples in,

00:33:44.720 and when he was doing it, he did not have social media. He did not have internet. He did not have

00:33:49.520 talk shows like this. He was writing letters with his hand. He was doing it the old-fashioned way,

00:33:54.320 and he was able to find a few very good clues that would basically force the hand of the government

00:34:06.000 to disinter one grave because they believed they had enough evidence to prove that this one person

00:34:12.080 was definitely in this one grave. At the time, I believe they thought there were five Americans in

00:34:17.680 the unknown grave commingled, and eventually the government did agree to open it up and see if this

00:34:25.040 that sailor was in there. It turns out there were over 90 sailors commingled in that one grave.

00:34:30.960 I think it then opened up a can of worms, and then the USS Oklahoma project was started.

00:34:36.640 Don't quote me on this, but I think as of today, they started this in 2015, they've been able to

00:34:41.280 identify 364 of the 392 that were unknown in those graves. We've got a quick video to tell people about

00:34:49.680 operation 85, and then when we come back, we're going to talk about how through your own family

00:34:54.560 members, you became interested in this and how you put your life on hold to pursue justice and the

00:35:00.240 truth for the families of those brave sailors who gave their lives. Let's roll that video.

00:35:05.760 For 20 years or so, I've just always been interested in history and the family history mainly.

00:35:17.280 His name was Robert Klein. He was a gunner's mate, second class, joined the Navy in 1937,

00:35:24.800 so in the Arizona was his first and only ship. He was having a blast. He was a young guy. He was

00:35:31.360 traveling the world. For four years, he sent home tons of stuff to his sister. They were just souvenirs,

00:35:38.720 and they made it home, and you know, they were kind of spread out through the family over the

00:35:42.000 years. But over the years, I kind of brought the whole collection back.

00:36:03.920 I can go to the memorial, and I can't be 100% sure that that's where my uncle's final resting place is,

00:36:11.600 because there's co-mingled graves, you know, 10 miles away.

00:36:21.680 I would get these letters from the DPAA about these family meeting, you know, updates once a year.

00:36:28.400 Why aren't they doing anything about the Arizona unknowns? They have 20 DNA samples, and there's 1,072

00:36:37.360 missing crew members. It cost a lot of money, time, resources to find those families. They never kept

00:36:46.480 a connection with those families. They're gone. You know, it was the Navy that kind of pulled me aside

00:36:54.800 and said, look at the Oklahoma project. Look how it got started.

00:37:05.040 If you really want to do something, that's how you have to do it.

00:37:09.520 We're trying to get our numbers up, our family numbers up, that are involved in order to change

00:37:27.840 the priority from non-working to working. They would need 60% crew member DNA samples before they

00:37:34.000 would ever consider a disinterment. I have been extremely surprised at how many families still

00:37:43.360 have a sense of grief. Some families have said to me, you know, I'm okay with it. Again, that separation

00:37:49.920 of time, didn't know. But I really would like to have closure from my mom or from my grandmother,

00:37:56.000 who they saw actually had grief and suffered. To think that 80 years have gone by and nobody is

00:38:02.320 suffering and nobody needs to put this to rest is just flat out wrong. This is my uncle, William

00:38:08.960 Edward Mann, who perished that day. His legacy is important to us, as all of the men that were on the

00:38:17.840 Arizona are important to us. I will tell you that the generations below me and my own family feel the same

00:38:23.760 as we do because we grew up with a great sense of pride that our grandmother put in our hearts,

00:38:32.560 that our uncle gave his life for our country. And so we're so honored by that. I just encourage families

00:38:39.200 to learn about what we're doing, go online, give their DNA if they want to be more involved. We're here

00:38:45.040 as a community. We want to stand up for all the other families that might be able to bring their service

00:38:50.960 member home and and have that sense of like peace for their family and honor because they deserve it.

00:39:10.640 All right, Kevin, so you've told us, you've told us that your uncle, a great gunner's mate,

00:39:16.880 class two. Robert Edward Klein was among those killed aboard the USS Arizona, still considered

00:39:23.120 among the missing. Now, you're not a professional genealogist. You're not a professional researcher.

00:39:29.360 You're not a trained historian. You are a husband, father of two small girls and a small business owner.

00:39:36.960 You've taken up this project. It's a massive project.

00:39:41.760 Tell us about the roadblocks that you've gotten from our federal government. Tell us about the roadblocks

00:39:46.720 that you have encountered from those who are supposed to be helping you, supposed to be

00:39:51.440 theoretically interested in the truth. So, Roger, it's funny. When I saw that video we just showed,

00:39:57.360 that was done about a year and a half ago from Pacific York Parks, a partner of ours there in Pearl

00:40:02.240 Harbor. And I look at myself as a very naive person starting this project. Honestly, I expected this to

00:40:12.400 not take a year and a half of my life. I didn't expect to spend tens of thousands of dollars of

00:40:17.600 my money on this project. To be honest, I told my wife, hey, just give me three months

00:40:22.960 off the business. I'll get the government's attention. We'll put some noise around this

00:40:27.680 and the government's going to go ahead and do what they're supposed to do. It's just an oversight. It's

00:40:31.840 just a mishap. As soon as we let them know that we expect the Arizona guys to be done too,

00:40:37.680 I'll be back to my job. And I look at that year and a half ago, Kevin Kline, and see

00:40:43.280 someone that just didn't know the bureaucracy and the roadblocks that I would encounter. And Roger,

00:40:50.240 I've lived in DC my whole life. I'm one of the rare that was born here and lived in this area my

00:40:54.960 whole life. I don't think I understood the true definition of bureaucracy until I started this

00:41:02.000 project. I had a very naive view of what the word bureaucracy meant. And now seeing it and fighting

00:41:09.120 it and going up against it, I've realized it's a much powerful force than most people expect.

00:41:17.600 So you went to the Defense Department's POW MIA Accounting Agency, the DPAA.

00:41:24.000 And what you got was kind of the runaround, as well as evidence that they actually destroyed evidence

00:41:33.120 to hinder your efforts to identify the unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery. Let's run that video,

00:41:40.080 if we may. There are no unknowns that we are actively pursuing that are buried at Arlington.

00:41:47.760 Obviously, you all are familiar with the Tomb of the Unknown. There are unknowns from World War II,

00:41:53.680 the Korean War, and those, again, were purposely... Do you want to speak to the Korean War Unknown? Can you?

00:42:02.480 Those were purposely entombed there for the express purposes of representing

00:42:08.240 all those service members who are unable to be identified.

00:42:11.680 Yes, sir. In fact, the selection of the Korean War Unknown

00:42:18.320 amounted to looking at four different files and then destroying those files so that it would hinder

00:42:26.880 an effort to try and identify the individual who's from the Korean War in the Tomb of the Unknown.

00:42:32.960 Kevin, your reaction to that video?

00:42:51.600 Unfortunate, but that is the culture that was in this organization for a long time, and the culture

00:43:03.040 is still there today. I think if any American found out... Now, we're not talking about destroying the

00:43:08.160 files of the USS Arizona guys. He was referring to the famous Tomb of the Unknown in Arlington Cemetery.

00:43:14.400 He's discussing the fact that when they were choosing who they wanted to place in the Tomb of the Unknown,

00:43:24.320 they wanted a World War II, they wanted a Vietnam, they wanted to have at least one unknown and they're

00:43:31.600 representing every conflict. But clearly, even today, they're admitting the truth that they picked

00:43:38.880 someone randomly. They had files and documents that could have potentially identified who that person

00:43:45.200 was and instead destroyed those files and documents, as he said, to hinder the efforts of any future

00:43:53.120 potential of identifying who is in the Korean War Tomb of the Unknown at Arlington. And just a quick point,

00:44:02.000 Roger, I don't know. I can't remember if it's been 10 years now or 15 years now, but some time ago,

00:44:07.920 they disinterred the Vietnam unknown from the Tomb of the Unknown in Arlington. And that was never

00:44:14.160 supposed to happen. And I'll tell you how it happened. They actually had destroyed the records and files

00:44:20.400 on who the unknown was from the Vietnam. But a very, very patriotic employee of DPAA, or at the time it

00:44:30.800 was called JPAC, an employee made a copy of all that Unknown's files and records. And when that

00:44:37.920 employee quit, or I don't know whether he quit or retired, whatever, he actually tracked down the

00:44:43.040 mother because they knew who it was. They knew who was in that tomb. They tracked down, that person,

00:44:49.040 employee tracked down the mother and gave them all the files that was supposed to have been destroyed

00:44:55.040 and said, your son is in that tomb. Of course, the mother went crazy. And, you know, one thing led to another.

00:45:00.880 They had enough evidence to prove that the person in the Tomb of the Unknown representing the Vietnam

00:45:06.160 conflict was, in fact, the person that they had the records on that they thought they had destroyed.

00:45:11.600 But it was a very patriotic employee within that government agency that tipped off the mother, gave her the

00:45:17.360 documents. And it was a few, I don't know whether it was a year or so after that, they disinterred the

00:45:22.560 remains, identified that Vietnam veteran, gave him his name back. And this is the culture that I'm running

00:45:30.000 into in this agency. It's really breathtaking. So the man who is currently the director of the defense

00:45:39.120 agency, also known as the DPAA, was demoted for fraud and mismanagement as a general, yet ended up as

00:45:51.040 the director of this agency under the Defense Department, just a few years later, as a civilian.

00:45:58.080 Isn't this nuts? And so the interesting thing about it, it was called something else. I think the

00:46:03.600 acronym was JPAC, Joint Pacific, I don't remember. I'm not an expert. The acronym was JPAC. The agency

00:46:10.800 was called something different. And yes, at the time, Mr. McKeague now was a major general in the

00:46:17.360 United States Air Force, and he was leading up the agency that was supposed to go out and keep

00:46:22.800 America's promise to identify, bring home all of these Americans. It was complete dysfunction,

00:46:30.640 which he admits there was a major congressional investigation. I don't know if we have one of

00:46:36.720 the headlines from some of the articles back then, but not only was it complete dysfunction

00:46:41.280 and inefficient and waste of money, the director was authorizing and they were staging fake coming

00:46:48.640 home ceremonies, pretending as if they were doing the job, bringing American homes. Now look at this,

00:46:55.840 Roger. There were family members invited. There was news invited. They had planes, the big C-47 cargo

00:47:03.360 planes loaded with coffins with American flags. We found out later there was not one American

00:47:10.240 inside of any of those coffins. There were no remains. They were empty coffins. It was just a big

00:47:15.600 show, a marketing scheme to pretend as if something was being done to make it look like this agency was

00:47:23.600 wisely using the taxpayers' dollars and bringing home Americans. And it was all fake. It's unbelievable

00:47:31.040 to think that this would happen. But okay, they had a big congressional investigation. They found out

00:47:38.160 Kelly McKeague was the general in charge of this agency. He was demoted from that position. One thing led to

00:47:46.560 another, the agency was dismantled and re-put together as what is now known as DPAA. And somehow or another,

00:47:56.720 a year or so later, the same person that was running it with all the dysfunction, all the system management,

00:48:02.160 the person that caused the agency to go belly up is now still running the same agency as a civilian.

00:48:09.760 So they've had an 80% failure rate on their current mission. They have a budget of over 200 million

00:48:18.960 dollars, yet they have no results. They don't have any of the sophisticated DNA technology that would

00:48:26.720 help them identify the remains of those who lost their lives. And they've been completely unwilling to

00:48:33.600 cooperate with the private sector or to contract with anyone to get results. This is your tax dollars

00:48:42.240 at work, folks doing nothing whatsoever. Kevin, this is an amazing thing that you have done. It's an

00:48:49.360 amazingly selfless thing that you are doing. I know you spent a lot of your own money, a lot of your time

00:48:56.640 on this effort. How can people help you? I thought the answer when I realized that I was getting no

00:49:04.480 help from the government agency, this bureaucracy, was to maybe begin right 15 minutes away from Capitol

00:49:12.800 Hill to start getting a champion Congress and Senate to push legislation to push this. I thought,

00:49:20.320 yes, people can help. Yes, I can scream and yell and bang on my desk. But if I wanted fundamental

00:49:25.760 change that was going to be effective, not only for the Arizona, but for all these issues and all

00:49:30.720 these family members, we needed to get legislation enacted. Admittedly, I had congressmen that piqued

00:49:37.840 their interest. They wanted to do it. And I had some congressmen and senators that helped last year

00:49:42.480 get legislation into the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA. I mean, I'm not a lobbyist,

00:49:49.600 I'm not a professional lobbyist, but somehow my story was compelling enough and I was up there banging on

00:49:54.000 doors. And we got them to put in the language to do this correctly, use the modern technology to

00:50:01.280 identify specifically at the time, the USS Arizona unknowns. What happened was, as they do with all,

00:50:08.080 you know, legislation like this, the staffers unknowingly took it to the DPAA and said, hey,

00:50:14.480 we want to help you guys with new legislation and money and funding and technology. Could you make sure

00:50:20.160 that the wording of this legislation reads correctly so that it will be effective? And that was their

00:50:25.680 biggest mistake. Once the DPAA got a hold of it, they changed the wording, okay, from what we had,

00:50:31.600 which would have been effective. They changed the wording to make it completely unbittable for outside

00:50:36.880 contractors and completely ineffective. They basically, in my opinion, sabotaged the wording of

00:50:44.000 that legislation. And then what happened, I didn't know about it. Everybody thought it was fine.

00:50:49.680 Congress passed that sabotaged wording of that legislation in last year's NDAA. Boy,

00:50:57.120 did I learn a lesson. I scrambled. I tried to, the only way I could fix it was to fix the language in

00:51:04.240 what's called conference in the Senate side before they approved it. And I was on Capitol Hill for two

00:51:11.520 weeks trying to get these senators, trying to get these staffers to understand the issue and change the

00:51:18.720 language. They did change the language through the DPAA. They changed the language that all they gave us

00:51:25.360 was what is called a briefing, which is a private meeting between the Senate House Committee and the

00:51:33.360 Senate House Committee and the DPAA. This meeting that, if it even took place, is private. It's not

00:51:40.960 public information. So I learned my lesson the first time that I got squashed. I don't understand how

00:51:49.600 anybody would want to squash this issue unless these congressmen and senators don't understand what is

00:51:55.520 going on behind the scenes at the DPAA, and they trust them. They trust the leadership there to tell

00:52:01.200 them the right thing. And everyone is getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

00:52:05.280 Can you tell us the name of any particular congressman or senator who you believe has been helpful to your

00:52:14.800 quest to try to get at the truth? Absolutely. And I don't know, Roger, if you're a big fan of them

00:52:20.000 these days or not, but South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham and his staff have been exceptional.

00:52:27.680 As a matter of fact, when the election happened on that Wednesday, we woke up Friday morning,

00:52:36.640 I had an email from their staffer saying, hey, Kevin, we have not forgotten about you.

00:52:42.880 We now have an opportunity with the control of the Senate, the House and the White House. We have an

00:52:48.960 opportunity now to get this through. And so I will give full credit to Senator Lindsey Graham and his staff

00:52:56.000 members. They really want to see it get pushed through this time. And I feel like President Trump

00:53:02.480 doing the second time term this way, I learned my lesson really hard the first way. And so my trust

00:53:10.080 factor is the wall is up. I understand I cannot trust DPAA to help me, to assist me. And I make sure

00:53:17.600 that the congressmen and the senators that we're working with, because there are others, understand that

00:53:22.400 we cannot just let the door open for DPAA to come in and smooth them over. This is an issue and a

00:53:29.360 problem that we need to fix. And I think they need to keep their hands out of it because they clearly

00:53:34.480 been doing something wrong. You mentioned 80% failure rate. This agency has a $200 million budget,

00:53:41.600 but they are mandated by Congress to identify a minimum of 200 Americans every year. They have only been

00:53:50.000 able to meet that number twice in the last 10 years. And that's where we get that complete 80%

00:53:56.000 failure rate. I don't know about you, Roger. I run businesses. If I ran my business for 10 years at 80%

00:54:01.120 failure, I don't think I'd be CEO very long. And I'm not sure how we continue to keep that type of

00:54:06.960 leadership in there. And we have a new culture now and a mandate of creating efficiency in government,

00:54:13.280 not wasting taxpayer dollars. The issue here and what we can put forth is right now, if we do the

00:54:20.800 math, I think it costs $2.3 million for every single unknown that's identified. That's how much

00:54:27.520 the taxpayers are paying for one identification. And that's give or take a little bit here, but it

00:54:32.800 averages out to about $2 to $3 million per unknown that's identified. There's technology out there that

00:54:39.520 the DPAA refuses to use, DNA technology. I have gone to these labs, met with these CEOs, talked to them,

00:54:46.480 know the process. The taxpayers, if we're able to use the correct technology that DPA doesn't have, and

00:54:52.800 we're able to contract that out to private American companies that do this, we're looking at a cost

00:54:57.280 estimate of between $8,000 and $10,000 to identify one unknown. So when you see the government doing it

00:55:03.840 for $2.3 million, and the private sector can do it for $8,000 to $10,000, okay, we need to make this change.

00:55:11.200 And that is the message I've realized I need to pound home. And as soon as these congressmen and senators

00:55:16.320 figure out that, you know, there's waste everywhere, there's bureaucracy everywhere, this is kind of what we

00:55:21.680 need to change to move forward. I love the fact that so many family members and supporters have emailed me and

00:55:26.640 said, what can I do to help? And, you know, some people have gone to the website and bought a hat or whatever,

00:55:31.620 but that's, and I appreciate it. That takes a little bit of the sting out all the costs I've

00:55:35.700 spent on this, Roger. But the truth is, we need to get a champion on the Senate and a champion in the

00:55:42.020 House to really push through this legislation. And we only, like everything that we're trying to

00:55:46.980 change over the next two years, we only have a limited time to do it. Well, as far as Senator

00:55:52.500 Lindsey Graham is concerned, look, even a stop clock is right twice a day. Perhaps you should go see

00:55:59.780 Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, a truly great senator, a guy who's not a politician,

00:56:05.940 came from the world of professional sports, someone who really stands up to our veterans.

00:56:09.860 I would recommend that. In fact, I'm happy to introduce you to him. He's a great man.

00:56:14.100 I think this will greatly interest him. I'm afraid we've got to move along. Folks,

00:56:17.700 to learn out more, you can go to ussarizona.navy. I want to thank Kevin Kline for joining us today

00:56:25.620 on the Stone Zone. Kevin, God bless you in your mission, and let us know how we can help.

00:56:31.780 Thanks, Roger. Appreciate it. See you next time.

00:56:34.500 In the meantime, folks, let me remind you that you can go to Rumble and see our show. Go to

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00:56:55.860 zone. Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed. A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going

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America’s Political Realignment – Democrat Gov. Rod Blagojevich Joins The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

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