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00:01:06.700All eyes have been fixed on New York, where yesterday the appellate court in New York State lowered Donald Trump's bond.
00:01:15.920The bond required for him to post in order to appeal the outrageous verdict by Judge Engeron from $450 million, that's almost a half billion dollars, to a more reasonable $175 million.
00:01:34.820Interestingly enough, I know this for a fact, Donald Trump paid cash.
00:01:41.060For all those brain-damaged liberals on social media saying Trump is broke, I would point you to the fact that his truth social stock, now that the merger has been approved by the SEC, makes him among the six wealthiest men in the United States.
00:03:11.960You always have some of the best style as well.
00:03:14.060But but I digress on what is the most important topic here, which when you mentioned Letitia James, look, I think anybody has to just go and look at her campaign statements.
00:03:34.260She basically, in very Bolshevik fashion, ended up finding her man first, Donald Trump, and then she was going to try to find a crime.
00:03:44.220And I know that you guys have covered this time and time again, so I won't get into the details and the facts of this.
00:03:50.540But I think there are so many New Yorkers that are looking at this.
00:03:53.500And there are a lot, a lot of very high powered business people that I'm that I'm talking to that are saying, hey, look, we have real estate in New York.
00:04:00.900We have businesses in New York and I don't want to invest any more in New York.
00:04:05.700As a matter of fact, I'm thinking about divesting from New York.
00:04:10.260Take the fact that you're paying an economic premium in New York and put that aside.
00:04:14.200If you have an attorney general that is actually going to go after their political opponents, the way Letitia James is obviously doing with Donald Trump and anybody connected to Donald Trump.
00:04:24.320That's a very, very scary scenario for people that actually have private property, that actually have property in the state of New York.
00:04:33.020And Roger, I got to tell you, I may be at Trump Bedminster in New Jersey right now.
00:04:37.260It doesn't mean I'm fleeing New York yet.
00:04:39.100But as somebody who loves the president, as somebody who has a last name, which is which is recognized in New York, it makes you think when you have a two year old daughter, whether or not New York is the actual place that you want her to grow up or whether you're actually looking at maybe a place that might be a little bit more red and might not go after political opponents the way the state of New York is.
00:05:00.600Well, Andrew, the appellate court in New York state is also an elected court elected on a partisan basis.
00:05:09.320That would mean that the majority, in fact, I think all of the appellate court judges are, in fact, Democrats.
00:05:16.320But this didn't seem to me to be a partisan decision.
00:05:20.060This seemed to be a relatively fair decision, even though 100 plus million dollars seems kind of high to have to post just in order to appeal your case.
00:05:36.000You know, I think the if you look at Judge Engeron, as you pointed out so many times, Roger, in terms of the way that he's handled this case,
00:05:44.560I think the appellate court had to actually lower this and had to lower it significantly.
00:05:49.420Otherwise, they would lose all credibility.
00:05:52.080And there's one thing that I've pointed out to President Trump specifically, and I've pointed out time and time again,
00:05:57.800that I think is really indicative of not just where Engeron was on this, but really where the entire left has been on Donald Trump.
00:06:05.740When Donald Trump took the stand in the case and Donald Trump was answering one of the questions from the attorney general's office,
00:06:15.620Judge Engeron stopped the president and said, I didn't come here to listen to you.
00:06:21.340Well, as a matter of fact, as the judge in the case, you did come to listen to Donald Trump.
00:06:26.560And not only were you the judge, he was the jury as well, because we know this was a jury by judge.
00:06:32.460So to me, I wasn't surprised just because they would have lost all credibility.
00:06:37.760One hundred and seventy five million dollars does seem steep still.
00:06:41.060But you know what? It gave Donald Trump the opportunity to post that bond, as you said, in cash.
00:06:46.380And it gives him the opportunity to appeal what is this absolutely absurd case with with with nobody that has actually been harmed at all.
00:06:57.060And when you have the banks that are continually lending to Donald Trump time and time and time again, you know, they have their own due diligence.
00:07:06.120They go through their process and they did not make any claims against this.
00:07:10.560So this is just obviously, again, a political pawn in Letitia James, who's going and using a court, which you've said and you've you just pointed this out, is very political.
00:07:23.860And she found the right guy in anger on to be able to go and try to nail Donald Trump.
00:07:28.580I'm glad the Court of Appeals lowered this and gave Trump an opportunity to appeal this case further.
00:07:34.540Troy, do you have a question for Andrew Giuliani?
00:07:37.220Absolutely. I think some of us not in New York, we look at the situation there, whether it be the cities or the migrant situation.
00:07:44.480We say to ourselves, how could the officials of New York be focused on Donald Trump while their own city is I mean, it's falling apart.
00:07:51.620Could you speak to New Yorkers opinion on that of these people focused on Trump while the city burns?
00:08:13.100But maybe they were turned off by some little things about Donald Trump.
00:08:16.880They're looking and they're saying, wait a second, our city is going to hell right now, which it really is.
00:08:22.340I mean, you mentioned the migrant situation there.
00:08:24.260I can tell you that when when I go into W.A.B.C. radio, where Roger, I know, has an incredible show on Sunday afternoon as well.
00:08:33.000And I go in a few times a week and and I end up taking either the one train or I take the four train there.
00:08:39.500The four train is right by City Hall, which is 200 feet from where the mayor works.
00:08:44.520In the last 10 days, I've been confronted three times with open drug use on that subway or on the platform.
00:08:51.340And there are cops right there and they can't do anything about it.
00:08:53.580They choose not to do anything about it because of the instructions that they've been told from one police plaza and specifically from City Hall.
00:09:01.600When you add that on top of the migrant crisis, which is going on right now, where you see the city giving hundreds and hundreds of dollars a day, up to fifteen thousand dollars in cash in credit cards to these migrants, which, by the way, was a no bid contract.
00:09:18.720So the mayor specifically chose who was going to be giving that contract.
00:09:22.840The contractor alone got fifty three million dollars for themselves, not to then dole out to the migrants.
00:09:28.980This is going to be more in the range of one point five to two billion dollars that's going to be doled out to migrants just this year alone.
00:09:36.060Forget about next year. This is a three year contract.
00:09:38.860So as people are looking more and more and more at the situation now in the city of New York, you're having more people that are saying, hey, I don't think this is the right place to raise my family at this time.
00:09:51.120And as Roger knows very well in New York City specifically, things need to get really bad before they get worse.
00:09:58.000I mean, go back to the early 90s and there were two thousand murders a year each and every year under David Dinkins in 1990 from 1990 to 1993.
00:10:07.840And you had enough at that point, I guess, independents and Democrats that held their nose and said, yeah, I guess we'll vote for that Rudy Giuliani guy.
00:10:15.660I don't know. He seems to be talking a little too much law and order, but I guess we need it now.
00:10:19.500And he was able to just win his first election. But we saw what New York City could become, the potential that it could be.
00:10:28.140Sadly, we've seen we've seen the opposite over the last few over the last few mayors and specifically the last 10 years with de Blasio and Mayor Adams and a lot of families.
00:10:40.340And a lot of people are saying, you know what, I'm going to go look for brighter pastures.
00:10:46.700You know, Andrew, one of the proudest things in my political history is the fact that I worked as a volunteer in your father's first campaign for mayor, the campaign he lost.
00:10:58.520And then I came back and was able to make a small donation to his second campaign for mayor.
00:11:05.560I like to say that Eric Adams is the best dressed mayor since Jimmy Walker, the most corrupt mayor since William O'Dwyer and the most incompetent mayor since Bill de Blasio.
00:11:19.160Anyone who will look objectively at the Giuliani record will recognize that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani was the greatest mayor in New York City history.
00:11:31.320We're going to go to a quick break here.
00:11:33.340We'll be back with Andrew Giuliani has a limited time to be with us.
00:11:37.560We've got a few more questions for him.
00:15:10.820And then we're going to put up a graphic to tell people how they can help the mayor, because the legal fees, I can tell you this firsthand, when the government decides to destroy you, the facts don't matter, the evidence doesn't matter, the rules don't matter, the Constitution doesn't matter, and the costs of legal assistance are astronomical.
00:15:36.140And I got to tell you, what's amazing is a son.
00:15:39.920What I can say is looking at him over the last few years and how he's been attacked by the left.
00:15:48.240First off, I think there's a real reason for this.
00:15:51.260And I think they want to be very, very clear to anybody who is going to defend President Trump specifically in 2024 with regards to the election.
00:16:01.460And they want to say, if we can take down America's mayor, we're going to try to take you down as well.
00:16:06.440That's what you're dealing with here with regards to the left here.
00:16:10.220And that's what you're dealing with specifically with Biden's cronies and Obama's cronies.
00:16:14.720And that's why, honestly, Roger, I'm so proud of my father, because I can't tell you how many conversations we had post-election.
00:16:24.280And basically, he knew exactly what they were going to try to do to him, just for speaking the truth, just for going out there and laying out what was the case for President Donald Trump,
00:16:36.600just laying out the case, the facts, the signed affidavits, the hundreds and hundreds, over a thousand signed affidavits from Americans in states from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia.
00:16:50.460So as a son, I have to tell you, I am more proud of my father now than I've ever been in my life, including going after the mafia, including saving the city of New York, including in his days after September 11th, when he was dubbed America's mayor.
00:17:08.860So as a son, I'm very proud. And I have to tell you, we also had a conversation a couple of weeks ago and I pulled him aside and I said, hey, dad, you know, how are you doing yourself?
00:17:17.160You always are very optimistic about this. And he said, look, he said, I have two options.
00:17:21.660He said, one, I can roll over and I can die. Or two, I can go and get the truth out there and fight this and let the American people know what I think happened in 2020,
00:17:33.060what I'm trying to prevent from happening again in 2024. And he said, that's what I choose to do.
00:17:39.260And I have to tell you, he's one of the most optimistic guys that I've ever seen as well.
00:17:43.000He really believes that this is going to end well for us, for the country, that our constitutional republic will continue.
00:17:51.300And so he's a great, a great, great role model to me. I couldn't ask for a better father, Roger.
00:17:55.720And I appreciate you saying that. I think you are right. And you're, by the way, in that category of well is some of the toughest people that I know.
00:18:02.540But between Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani and Roger Stone, that's a that's a pretty tough threesome right there.
00:18:08.480Well, that's a great company. You know, I foresaw all of this.
00:18:14.700So after the election, I strongly urged the president to issue a pardon of every Republican member of Congress who had who had questioned the election.
00:18:26.180Every Republican member of the U.S. Senate, every member of his own staff, every one of his most high profile supporters.
00:18:34.320That yes, that would have included me, not because we did anything wrong, but because I foresaw that they would weaponize the justice system and they would make the simple act of questioning the outcome of an election, a crime headline stone begged for second pardon.
00:18:52.540This is nonsensical. This is just how the hard left rolls.
00:18:57.180So let's take a quick preview of the upcoming trial.
00:19:01.960We now have a notorious liar, Michael Cohen, who's told so many lies, you can't even keep them straight.
00:19:12.220Alvin Cheeseburger Bragg, a man whose election to the district attorney's office was essentially funded by George Soros,
00:19:20.980is bringing a case that the federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York fully examined and determined what they could not bring.
00:19:30.580Mr. Bragg is yet to to to outline the underlying crime.
00:19:36.140In other words, it's alleged that Trump or Michael Cohen on his behalf made payments to this this adult movie actress.
00:20:23.240And let me just take a little bit of a different perspective on this case, because I think this is going to be the absolute key to the case.
00:20:29.920You're talking about facts and anybody who has any experience, whether or not you went to law school, whether you practice law, whether or not you've just seen many cases and been around many lawyers and prosecutors like I have.
00:20:43.880To me, the most important thing about this case is going to be jury selection in Manhattan, where you have 81 percent of the vote actually voted for Alvin Bragg.
00:20:53.74080 percent voted for Joe Biden. To me, it's going to be so important for the Trump defense team to be able to get as much information about these 12 jurors as possible.
00:21:05.820Specifically for me, I would want to know their political affiliation.
00:21:09.480And I think that's very, very relevant in this case, because as you highlight the facts out there.
00:21:14.800Yeah, obviously, the Trump team will do a very good job in defending the facts.
00:21:20.620I think Alvin Bragg can't even put any merits to this.
00:21:24.300Like you pointed out there, you have Michael Cohen, who is the star witness, who has lied numerous times under oath, been caught lying under oath, been prosecuted, went to jail lying under oath.
00:21:36.500So to me, this is going to be all about jury selection and whether or not you can get an unbiased jury or at least two or three unbiased members of the jury that are going to actually look at this for what it is, which is a complete farce that, like you said, the Southern District of the U.S.
00:21:55.560Attorney's Attorney's Office in New York chose not to take on this case.
00:21:59.340Yet Alvin Bragg, who's funded by Soros, who is a complete one of the main reasons why we're not able to arrest violent felons in Manhattan, in basically the center of the city of New York, he's the one taking this case on.
00:22:15.120So going to be all about jury selection in this to make sure that Trump gets a fair trial.
00:22:20.400Michael Cohen is most definitely one of the most odious characters I've ever met.
00:22:24.320He testified before both the House and the Senate, claiming that he overheard a phone conversation between Donald Trump and I, because Trump put such conversation on a speakerphone, in which I gave Trump a heads up that WikiLeaks would release material regarding Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
00:22:45.300The problem is, at first he said it happened in July of 2016, then he changed his mind, I think, at the urging of prosecutors and said it happened in August of 2016.
00:22:56.060Of course, there is no phone record to bolster his claim.
00:23:00.080And the Trump assistant, who he claims came into the room to tell Trump that I was on the phone, has no memory of that ever happening.
00:23:09.720I can tell you exactly when it happened.
00:23:12.480Why would you even be discussing something in July or August that allegedly or that actually only happened in October?
00:23:20.060By the way, Julian Assange himself had announced publicly on numerous occasions that he had obtained material regarding Hillary Clinton and the DNC.