The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Boone Cutler ｜ 06-17-25

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00:00:30.000 Now in the Stone Zone is Boone Cutler.

00:00:33.360 Boone Cutler and I actually met many years ago, long before Donald Trump ran for president.

00:00:38.780 Long before the America First movement.

00:00:40.600 Because we were both advocates for the legalization of medicinal marijuana.

00:00:45.940 In my case, I became such an advocate because my father was dying of cancer.

00:00:51.860 He was wasting away because he had no appetite.

00:00:54.360 And he was in horrific pain.

00:00:56.660 He was a veteran of the Korean War.

00:01:00.880 And the pain reduction drugs they were giving him merely served to constipate him, but did not increase his quality of life.

00:01:12.040 My sisters and I decided to get him a small amount of marijuana, then illegal, and it both restored his appetite and eased his pain.

00:01:23.060 I don't regret it.

00:01:24.520 Frankly, we have advanced since that time.

00:01:28.220 It's one of the things we're going to talk to Boone Cutler about.

00:01:30.260 But Boone Cutler served as a psychological operations team sergeant for the war in Iraq as a team was responsible for Seder City.

00:01:39.280 He has written multiple books.

00:01:41.620 The most interesting, they're all interesting, but the one that has impressed me the most is the book that he wrote with General Michael Flynn, a Citizen's Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare.

00:01:53.580 Boone Cutler, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:01:56.020 Roger, it's a pleasure, man, to be on air with you again and talking about the things that a lot of people just, I mean, even back in the day when we were talking about cannabis, there was a lot of pushback.

00:02:06.560 There was a lot of pushback.

00:02:08.340 And folks just, they really didn't understand because they had gotten so much bad information over the years.

00:02:13.360 And that's changed.

00:02:14.520 And that's really good.

00:02:16.240 That's a solid impact indicator that shows like what you have and getting out good information.

00:02:21.380 It does change things.

00:02:22.640 And so I appreciate you having me on.

00:02:24.280 I'm delighted to have you on.

00:02:25.640 First of all, tell us, you were a psychological operations team sergeant in the war in Iraq.

00:02:30.520 You wrote a book that you started during the fog of battle.

00:02:34.240 I guess you finished at Walter Reed, where you defeated a prescription drug addiction and you healed.

00:02:42.100 Now you're multidimensional, both as a music producer, as an author, as a spokesman.

00:02:49.460 You had a terrific radio show.

00:02:50.960 But you've really stood up for Americans, veterans.

00:02:54.080 And this is what interests me the most.

00:02:56.600 So explain concisely what a psychological operations team sergeant does.

00:03:02.400 Well, psychological operations team sergeant runs a PSYOP team.

00:03:07.020 It's called a TPT, a tactical psychological operations team.

00:03:10.060 And your job is to basically integrate with a supported unit inside an area of operation and be the commander's voice on the battlefield.

00:03:18.200 The other thing is you're going to do is you're going to work the shaping of that environment in non-kinetic ways, meaning changing the way the people are acting without having to kill them.

00:03:28.980 So and this is done in a myriad of ways.

00:03:31.740 But I really enjoyed that job because you really are immersed in the people.

00:03:37.760 In Sadr City, we were we were on the street every single day with the people of Sadr City, you know, listening to them, paying attention to them, seeing what their motivations were, their vulnerabilities, susceptibilities were.

00:03:47.940 And being able to shape that environment to make the environment safer for Americans, but also at the same time, really pushing towards our U.S. or U.S. national objectives without having to obliterate everybody.

00:04:01.120 So it's a real long term strategy.

00:04:04.840 It's something that you can put on the ground pretty much anywhere and do some really fantastic work in a very humane way that shapes environments.

00:04:14.120 Yeah, I want to once again recommend the book that Boone Cutler co-wrote with General Michael Flynn, who was with us just a few days ago, The Citizen's Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare, which is designed to help society overcome the Marxist psychological conditioning strategies that attack the cognitive battle space in the nation today.

00:04:35.860 Boone, what what what what survival skills do Americans do all people have to have in this era of of fifth generation warfare?

00:04:47.520 Well, I would kind of boil it down to a couple of things.

00:04:50.640 The first thing, and I say this over and over again to people that I talk to, protect your mind, control your emotions, because the only way you really can protect your mind is to control your emotions.

00:05:00.440 We see these polarized messaging strategies all day long.

00:05:04.960 People who are on social media all day long, they're getting hit with it constantly, constantly, constantly.

00:05:09.800 And one of the ways you protect your mind, you control your emotions with a good amount of discernment is through tech hygiene and tech discipline, especially in today's online world.

00:05:19.520 So tech hygiene is making sure you're looking at stuff that's good for you.

00:05:23.240 You know, just like your physical hygiene, your physical health, you want to put good things into your body so you can get the optimal performance out of your body.

00:05:30.740 Well, it's the same thing with your mind.

00:05:32.400 With tech hygiene, we want to make sure that we're good.

00:05:34.620 We're looking at the things that that are that are positive.

00:05:38.200 It's not always doom and gloom.

00:05:40.280 The world's going to end and all this negative stuff.

00:05:42.860 So that's the tech hygiene part of it.

00:05:44.540 The tech discipline part is how much time are you spending online looking at this?

00:05:49.980 Are you ignoring your children?

00:05:51.460 Are you ignoring your job?

00:05:53.180 Are you ignoring your spouse because you're completely immersed in this digital world? 0.94

00:05:58.820 Meanwhile, the trash is stacking up.

00:06:00.800 The, you know, the backyard needs to be picked up.

00:06:04.800 Your kids are failing in school.

00:06:06.320 They're not getting enough attention.

00:06:07.660 They're not getting outside.

00:06:08.640 They're doing the same thing you are online every day.

00:06:11.400 You know, tech is like today's digital crack.

00:06:13.760 And what I see is I see parents giving their kids an iPad from the time they're about three years old, which is like giving your kid crack so you can do more crack.

00:06:23.040 And this is the thing we got to step out of.

00:06:25.260 So if I was going to give anybody, you know, a crash course on what you can do for yourself right now is step away from the tech.

00:06:32.740 Go spend time in nature with your family and people you love and just be around them.

00:06:37.440 It does amazing things for your mental health.

00:06:39.560 I could not agree more.

00:06:41.400 One of the things, the phenomena that we see is people who begin to believe that the Internet is the real world, people who believe specifically that social media is the real world and that everyone knows what you know because you spend so much time on social media.

00:06:58.260 It is addictive, but it is not the real world.

00:07:02.300 And therefore, what you say is absolutely true.

00:07:05.400 I think that that leads to very dangerous, dangerous habits.

00:07:10.300 I'm particularly concerned about artificial intelligence.

00:07:13.400 I've been a victim of artificial intelligence.

00:07:15.920 You can see many videos online of me allegedly saying things that I never said.

00:07:21.320 If you look pretty carefully, you can see that they're fraudulent.

00:07:24.480 But it is very, very dangerous because at not much cost and with very little skill,

00:07:31.560 we can make a video, say, of Joe Biden or Donald Trump, for that matter, saying things that they never said.

00:07:39.100 How do you think we should fight the abuses of artificial intelligence?

00:07:45.120 Well, the first thing is, and General Flynn and I, in the Citizen's Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare, it's a three-book series.

00:07:51.680 The first book is Introduction to 5GW.

00:07:54.000 The second one is How to Fight Artificial Intelligence.

00:07:56.620 And the third one is The Role of the Church.

00:07:58.160 In the second book of the series, we talk a lot about, you know, what things people can do.

00:08:04.020 And the first thing is make yourself smart.

00:08:06.360 You know, make yourself smart on what the capabilities of these artificial intelligence systems and platforms can do.

00:08:13.460 That way you can recognize what you're looking at when you're looking at it.

00:08:16.860 And I'll tell people this, and I'll tell them over and over again.

00:08:19.600 It's not the robots that you have to worry about.

00:08:21.940 A lot of people think about robots when they think about AI.

00:08:24.340 It's really about the AI-driven psychological programming.

00:08:28.560 And the AI-driven psychological programming is typically foreign-born, being launched by Iran, Russia, China, into the United States.

00:08:37.720 And it's really like artillery for the mind that is just blowing everything up constantly.

00:08:43.260 And it gets people in these behavioral cycles.

00:08:46.260 And that's the AI-driven psychological programming.

00:08:48.520 I mean, it really kind of takes everybody at the most basic animal level and starts shaping the way people think from their origin points.

00:08:57.380 This is the dangerous part.

00:08:58.980 And most people have never, ever heard the term AI-driven psychological programming.

00:09:04.000 So we wanted to really open up with that.

00:09:06.100 And the reason we did is because after the first book, people were saying, okay, I get it.

00:09:10.860 I'm programmed.

00:09:11.580 I get it.

00:09:12.160 I'm programmed.

00:09:12.800 I'm on social media.

00:09:13.800 I'm doing all these things.

00:09:14.840 I'm susceptible to this messaging.

00:09:16.440 I'm programmed.

00:09:17.120 How do I become deprogrammed?

00:09:19.200 And then we kind of had to go in and say, okay, what is the most updated ways people are being manipulated and programmed?

00:09:26.080 And the journey led us to artificial intelligence.

00:09:29.340 This is the most emergent threat in the United States and the world.

00:09:32.800 And we really, really need to stop it.

00:09:35.880 One of the things that you have been most vocal and articulate about is the suicide epidemic among veterans.

00:09:41.640 I haven't had the FBI store in my home at 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:09:47.160 I've had some experience with PTSD.

00:09:49.400 My wife has had an even worse experience with it. 0.99

00:09:52.620 I can tell you firsthand that the pharmaceutical drugs like Zoloft and Xanax all have side effects in the long term.

00:10:01.360 They are not good for you.

00:10:03.120 You have been an advocate for certain psychedelic therapies that you think have helped.

00:10:10.460 Let's talk about that for a minute.

00:10:13.040 Yeah.

00:10:13.540 Go ahead.

00:10:14.640 No, I was going to say, well, quickly, just let me kind of underline what my story is and how I got to the decisions that I have.

00:10:21.400 I was injured in Iraq.

00:10:22.760 I spent two years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

00:10:25.140 They put me on all the psych meds.

00:10:26.560 They put me on all the pain meds.

00:10:27.800 They put me on all the benzodiazepines, and I lived that life of addiction through those medications for a number of years until I stopped.

00:10:35.860 And it was actually cannabis that got me off of a lot of that because then I could get good sleep.

00:10:40.940 And that was just an amazing turning point.

00:10:42.840 Things started to change for me there.

00:10:44.880 So then I got off all the psych meds.

00:10:46.700 I got off most of the opiates later when CBD became proliferated.

00:10:52.000 That really helped me get off the rest of the opiates.

00:10:54.260 But I was still having a lot of issues with PTSD and TBI, and there's overlap in the PTSD and TBI.

00:11:02.320 Well, later on down the road, I was – so just to kind of underline the thing.

00:11:07.580 So I can talk to everybody about the different types of therapies that are out there.

00:11:11.700 I can talk to the different types of drug therapies that are out there.

00:11:14.540 I can talk to people about the addictions because I've been through it, and I've been through it with several people, several other veterans, getting them help.

00:11:21.260 Like, and then this thing came out, this – I was hearing it kind of like – especially like when you and I were talking about cannabis way back in the day.

00:11:29.820 You could just hear these rumblings and see things change slowly.

00:11:33.660 Well, I was starting to see those same rumblings around psychedelics, but I was not educated on it until a good friend of mine had gone – two good friends of mine had gone down to Mexico.

00:11:44.980 And I knew the shape that they were in.

00:11:46.900 So when they came back and they were touting how wonderful this had been for them, that kind of pushed me over the edge to figure it out because I trusted their reports.

00:11:56.640 And so I got involved in it because I went down to Mexico, and I did psychedelic therapy.

00:12:03.860 And the one thing that I immediately noticed was that, one, addictions completely fade away.

00:12:10.560 I had a horrible drinking habit.

00:12:13.500 I mean, alcohol was something I just really could not put away to the point that my wife would say, hey, you need to stop drinking.

00:12:20.060 I said, sweetheart, you can ask anything from me.

00:12:22.180 Okay, I'm a good husband.

00:12:25.040 I always treat you right, but you can't ask me to stop drinking because it's never going to happen.

00:12:29.220 It's never, ever going to happen.

00:12:31.120 And we kind of had to deal with that thorn in our side as a couple for several, several years.

00:12:36.620 And then I did the psychedelics, and I was actually in San Diego coming back home, and I was with a buddy who also went through the treatment.

00:12:45.740 And I started laughing, and he says, why are you laughing?

00:12:47.980 I said, I just walked past a bar in an airport.

00:12:50.720 I haven't done that in 10 years, and it meant nothing to me.

00:12:55.640 And so the alcohol, the behavior around alcohol, the addiction side of it was just gone, just completely gone.

00:13:02.400 And the ability to think, you know, cognitively with TBI, the psychedelics just does so many good things neurologically for people, and also the PTSD issues, the ability to maintain some semblance of self-control.

00:13:19.100 You know, people call me Zen boon now, and they used to call me like Hulk boon because I'd blow up all the time.

00:13:23.440 So it's a different thing.

00:13:26.160 So when I'm looking at, you know, all these different modalities for veterans that I know that work, I can tell you cannabis works.

00:13:33.200 I can tell you community works, having a good, strong community to lean on.

00:13:36.640 I can tell you that stem cells work, and I can tell you that psychedelics work.

00:13:41.020 Everything else, I can't tell you that works because I didn't experience that.

00:13:45.360 But definitely psychedelics on the forefront right now, you know, we've got Texas just passed major legislation for Ibogaine research.

00:13:53.140 Arizona passed major legislation for Ibogaine research.

00:13:57.380 So that will come to America. 1.00

00:13:59.580 But right now, most of it is done on the underground in the United States, or you have to go to Mexico.

00:14:04.880 And they've got great treatment facilities in Mexico.

00:14:07.760 Yeah, Ibogaine is a psychoactive alkaloid derived from the root bark of a specific African shrub.

00:14:15.400 And it has shown enormous potential in treating depression and PTSD, particularly in cases resistant to conventional therapies.

00:14:24.500 Evidently, it stems from its complex interaction with the brain, where it acts on multiple transmitter systems, including serotonin, dopamine, and NMDA receptors.

00:14:37.760 I have not used it myself.

00:14:39.680 I've read extensively about it.

00:14:41.400 I'm also interested in the use of psilocybin mushrooms in microdoses, sometimes called micro-mushrooms.

00:14:52.400 And some have reported successful treatment of PTSD with that.

00:14:59.820 These, I think, are both promising, still illegal in most states,

00:15:03.960 although mushrooms are becoming increasingly legal across the United States.

00:15:08.740 I agree with you about CBD and that medicinal use of the hemp derivative.

00:15:16.680 It would be difficult to sleep without it, in all honesty.

00:15:20.020 It's quite legal in the state of Florida.

00:15:22.820 So, I do think you are an early advocate for these all-natural substances, which can help those with PTSD.

00:15:34.460 This requires a lot more discussion.

00:15:37.260 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Boone Cutler, author, warfighter, veteran, and a good friend of this program.

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00:16:40.560 I'm really privileged to have him on the show today.

00:16:43.340 Boone, I want to talk about stem cells and how that can help people with serious injuries.

00:16:49.020 It has helped my wife tremendously.

00:16:51.040 Who had injury in her knee.

00:16:54.180 I'm not sure that all Americans are familiar with stem cell therapy and how it works and why it works.

00:17:00.500 But lay it on us.

00:17:02.160 Well, this is my story.

00:17:05.100 About six years ago, my heart gave out and I was dying from cardiomyopathy, heart failure, polycythemia, stage 3 kidney disease.

00:17:13.580 It all hit me at once.

00:17:15.160 And I was in that death spiral.

00:17:16.300 I had six months to live.

00:17:17.220 And I was blessed enough to find a way through a wonderful lady who helped sponsor my treatment and also Warfighter Hemp.

00:17:27.300 My good friends at Warfighter Hemp also helped sponsor my treatment to go down to Panama and get stem cell therapy from my heart.

00:17:34.340 And I went down there in a wheelchair.

00:17:36.420 That's how bad off I was.

00:17:38.440 And after two treatments, two of four treatments, I was able to walk.

00:17:43.500 I was able to go down an elevator, walk across the lobby, buy my wife some coffee, bring it back up to the room.

00:17:50.180 And I was just better.

00:17:52.580 And so that was stem cell therapy.

00:17:54.400 And I would definitely be dead without it.

00:17:56.640 Later, a few years ago, I went down to Tijuana, to the Cellular Performance Institute, and got stem cells again.

00:18:05.800 And it was, again, just a very, very healthy thing that just works.

00:18:11.080 And no babies were harmed during the process of the stem cell therapy.

00:18:15.820 These are stem cells that are derived from an umbilical cord that's already used.

00:18:18.960 It's going to be thrown in the trash.

00:18:20.140 Nobody's going to benefit from it, which I think is a travesty.

00:18:23.160 We have births all around this world every single day.

00:18:25.980 And many times we just take that umbilical cord and throw it away when it can be harvested for the stem cells and save people's lives.

00:18:32.020 So there you have it.

00:18:34.940 Boone Cutler, who's a veteran, has served his country with distinction, now dedicates his life to helping other warfighters, other veterans.

00:18:44.440 Check out his three books with General Flynn, all regarding the fifth generation warfare America is facing today.

00:18:54.160 Particularly at this time when we may be facing yet another foreign war.

00:19:00.160 I trust President Trump to make the right decision.

00:19:02.980 It has to be a very lonely and difficult time for him as he makes life and death decisions around his nation.

00:19:08.840 But I thank God that it is he, not Joe Biden or, God forbid, Kamala Harris, making those decisions.

00:19:17.680 Thank you very much.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 18, 2025

Boone Cutler ｜ 06-17-25

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