The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Can Kamala Really Win？ Top Dem Strategist Hank Sheinkopf Enters The StoneZONE to Discuss

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:07.640 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:11.660 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:17.280 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:22.720 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:27.700 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:33.680 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:41.480 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:46.200 Well, it's only 77 days until the next presidential election,

00:00:50.820 but it's important to point out that early voting starts as early as September 17th in Pennsylvania.

00:00:57.700 So there's even less time in this compressed campaign period.

00:01:01.700 We've seen unprecedented events, including the attempted assassination of Donald Trump,

00:01:08.200 about which we still have more questions than we have answers.

00:01:12.000 A real coup in the Democrat Party in which Joe Biden was brutally forced from the race.

00:01:18.980 And now the coronation of a candidate who no Democrat primary or caucus voter actually voted for,

00:01:27.960 and whose past positions she's trying to erase while sounding more and more like Donald Trump. 0.83

00:01:36.280 It appears that we have what was always going to be a competitive presidential race.

00:01:41.800 Let me be clear, even if Joe Biden had remained the candidate because of the advantages of the mainstream media dominance of communication still in the country,

00:01:55.180 no longer a monopoly, but still quite influential, combined with the widespread censorship on the Internet, including social media,

00:02:04.140 and, of course, the millions of dollars money laundered through Act Blue to Kamala's campaign,

00:02:12.780 this was always going to be a competitive race.

00:02:15.980 And that's before we even talk about election irregularities, anomalies, and, yes, in some cases, outright fraud.

00:02:23.900 We have a very important show for you today because we're going to be joined later by one of the leading Democrat and labor strategists in the country,

00:02:32.480 Dr. Henry Hank Sheinkoff, to my view, one of the most brilliant analysts of American politics,

00:02:39.960 one of the key figures behind the upset re-election of President Bill Clinton,

00:02:45.240 someone who's worked in over 700 campaigns, both nationally and internationally.

00:02:49.960 He will join us to answer the question, can Kamala really win?

00:02:55.980 If you only listen to the mainstream media, you would understand that we are at the tail end of one of the great pro-hype jobs of all time,

00:03:08.180 kind of a psyop.

00:03:09.780 The country hasn't seen anything like this since they manufactured Wendell Wilkie as a candidate in 1940.

00:03:16.280 So between jiggering the poll numbers to oversample Democrats to show an artificial surge,

00:03:24.340 this false claim of millions popping up in their bank accounts, their campaign bank accounts,

00:03:31.400 the use, sorry, of AI to create the impression of enormous crowds.

00:03:36.700 When you say that, they say you're irresponsible.

00:03:39.460 You've seen the beginning of the end of this honeymoon, because as Kamala Harris started outlining her positions, 1.00

00:03:48.440 some of which amounted to authoritarian communism, her numbers will start to recede.

00:03:55.980 It's extraordinary that first she tries to steal Donald Trump's tax on tips idea,

00:04:01.460 as if it was hers, removing the tax on tips.

00:04:04.800 Then she pledges to hire hundreds of border agents and to crack down to seal our border,

00:04:12.560 as if she wasn't in charge of border policy for the last three and a half plus years.

00:04:19.260 And then her new claim that she's going to give $25,000 to anyone who wants to buy a home 1.00

00:04:27.180 so they can use it for a down payment, regardless of whether they could then

00:04:31.480 servage the mortgage on that home.

00:04:34.540 Last time the Democrats tried this, it was when Andrew Cuomo was the secretary of housing

00:04:40.160 under the Clinton administration, and it brought the entire economy crashing down.

00:04:45.440 There's a lot to cover here.

00:04:47.020 Joining me in the Stone Zone, my co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News,

00:04:53.260 Troy Smith, back in the Stone Zone.

00:04:55.480 There he is.

00:04:56.840 Roger, good to see you.

00:04:57.700 I hope you had a nice weekend.

00:04:58.800 And we've got a lot to get to, but before we get to, you know, a lot of the main things

00:05:03.840 we want to talk about today in the news segment, I want to show video for people of the protesters

00:05:08.300 at the DNC.

00:05:10.020 As we know, Roger, the DNC is having their convention this weekend in Chicago,

00:05:14.500 and we have footage of some of the police lines and protesters that have gathered there.

00:05:19.760 I want to show that footage and get your thoughts, Roger, because from the beginning,

00:05:23.580 you've been predicting that this convention would go the way of 1968, and from the early

00:05:28.860 footage, it looks like you are exactly right in your prediction once again.

00:05:32.440 So let's roll that clip.

00:05:33.760 Let's roll the several clips of the protesters and the police lines at the convention, then

00:05:37.760 get Roger's thoughts.

00:05:38.660 Let's roll the several clips of the protesters and the police lines at the convention.

00:05:52.620 The.

00:05:57.720 Are y'all can do better than that.

00:06:10.040 Y'all can do better than that, Mike DeMonte!

00:06:25.040 Free Palestine! 150,000 people are dead! You are fighting a genocide! The Harris Black administration keeps throwing money to India! 0.68

00:06:40.040 Free Palestine! Free Palestine! 0.95

00:06:42.040 Killer Kamala is her name! Killing children is her name! 1.00

00:06:58.040 Jonathan Joe is his name! Killing children is his name! 1.00

00:07:06.040 Chicago! I can't hear you! 1.00

00:07:12.040 What we've seen there, Troy, is the direct manifestation of this double game that the Biden administration is playing in the Middle East.

00:07:20.040 This is the legacy of Barack Obama.

00:07:23.040 Donald Trump, of course, had used very harsh sanctions to cut the Iranians off from any cash.

00:07:30.040 They were virtually bankrupt. The sanctions were so tough that the Iranians couldn't even sell their oil to China.

00:07:37.040 That meant no money to fund their nuclear weapons development program, no money to subsidize Hamas and Hezbollah for the terrorist attacks on Israel.

00:07:47.040 But this administration, under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, unfroze over $190 billion in assets, which has been used to fund the attacks on Israel.

00:07:58.040 In the meantime, Israel, our longtime ally, to whom we already give $1.4 billion a year, is being restrained, or at least the administration tells us they're being restrained.

00:08:12.040 This is a double game that is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:08:17.040 The Democrat Party is split down the middle, as it was in 1968.

00:08:22.040 I actually think it's more lopsided, because the progressive wing of the party has embraced not just the pro-Palestinian cause, but it seems they have embraced outright anti-Semitism.

00:08:34.040 This is a giant problem for the Democrats.

00:08:38.040 Well, and Roger, the tension is building, and it's kind of interesting because Kamala and her allies keep saying, well, we're kind of going, you know, we're for everybody.

00:08:48.040 And they had Gretchen Whitmer. She actually ran out. This cracked me up. We posted this on Slingshot News.

00:08:53.040 The governor, Gretchen Whitmer, on news channels saying, oh, Kamala loves everybody.

00:08:58.040 And they asked her directly about the Palestine. That's their line. Kamala loves everybody.

00:09:03.040 But as you see from the footage there, folks, not a lot of love in the air at the DNC.

00:09:08.040 And I find it interesting that, you know, they claim that, oh, Trump will throw the country into chaos.

00:09:13.040 Look at what the Democrats have produced right there in Chicago, what they've done.

00:09:18.040 Those are not right wingers, by the way, doing that protesting.

00:09:21.040 Those are not people that oppose these people from the right. They're not Republicans. They're Democrats.

00:09:26.040 It shows the deep fracture in the Democrat Party.

00:09:29.040 And I would expect these protests to ramp up as the week goes on here.

00:09:33.040 You're going to have a strong showing at first. But of course, those protests, I think, will ramp up as time goes on.

00:09:40.040 So we have a clip here, Roger. I want to get your thoughts on President.

00:09:45.040 President Trump is sending J.D. Vance across the country and he's making a lot of appearances.

00:09:50.040 He's doing some great speeches. We have a clip from a speech that he delivered in the swing state,

00:09:55.040 a crucial swing state of Pennsylvania today. And we're going to roll that clip.

00:09:59.040 And I want to get your thoughts on Trump's chances in Pennsylvania, how that's looking heading into the 2024 election.

00:10:05.040 Because I think most people, you look at the electoral map and the road to the White House really seems to run through Pennsylvania increasingly.

00:10:12.040 So I want to get your thoughts and roll that clip of J.D. Vance's excellent speech today in Pennsylvania.

00:10:18.040 Just one more observation about this. This is especially to anybody watching who is skeptical of Donald Trump,

00:10:24.040 who remembers when the American media said that Donald Trump was going to start a nuclear war.

00:10:27.040 Did anybody notice that the country and the world were at greater peace under the presidency of Donald Trump than anybody Democrat or Republican who came before?

00:10:38.040 It's it's it's kind of amazing, actually, because I remember when all of you, meaning the media, all the media said that this guy was going to start World War Three.

00:10:49.040 We are on the brink of World War Three. Thanks to Kamala Harris's leadership.

00:10:53.040 We had to get strong American leadership back in there to bring a little bit of calm back to the world.

00:10:58.040 Look, I think that the attempt by the Democrats to discredit J.D. Vance out of the box have failed.

00:11:10.040 I think he's going to prove to be a great asset to Donald Trump. And everything he said is correct.

00:11:15.040 They told us, by the way, that we would have a stock market crash if Donald Trump was elected president.

00:11:20.040 We'd have World War Three. Yet we had the most robust economy in our history.

00:11:27.040 The stock market hit record highs. We had prosperity in the country.

00:11:32.040 And Joe Biden, despite what he says, has destroyed all of that.

00:11:37.040 So to go to your question about Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is going to be crucial.

00:11:42.040 It's an extraordinarily difficult state. The Patriots challenged mail in ballots there as being unconstitutional under the state constitution.

00:11:52.040 I happen to believe they are correct. They won that at the lower court level there.

00:11:59.040 That decision was upheld in the middle courts. But then Pennsylvania's incredibly left wing and politicized Supreme Court reinstated mail in ballots, which, of course, is an open invitation for the Philadelphia Democrat machine to cheat.

00:12:14.040 On the other hand, Cliff Maloney and many of his allies, including Charlie Kirk, have set records for voter registration.

00:12:24.040 My good friend, my good friend, the resistance, they've done an amazing job in Pennsylvania and they continue to do so.

00:12:33.040 So Pennsylvania will be crucial to this election.

00:12:36.040 And I think that the radical views of the Democrats turn off blue collar working class union Democrats in the western part of the state who will vote more heavily than those in the eastern part of the state.

00:12:56.040 So assuming that Kamala and her wacky running mate win the city of Philadelphia, even if they win in the suburban counties outside Philadelphia, which used to be Republican but now swing Democratic but not by huge margins, I think that gets offset by the counties around Pittsburgh and in the western part of the state.

00:13:18.040 Right now, I think if the election were held today, I think President Trump has a narrow but sustainable lead in Pennsylvania.

00:13:26.040 But I stress that anybody who says to you, what's happening in this election?

00:13:30.040 Who's going to win?

00:13:31.040 We have too many large, potentially cataclysmic events before we know that answer.

00:13:37.040 We have a Democrat convention, which has to play out this week.

00:13:41.040 I hope there's not violence, but I think there's certainly the prospect for violence.

00:13:46.040 Then, secondarily, it appears that we're going to have at least two presidential debates and one vice presidential debate.

00:13:53.040 We should not pretend that those won't matter.

00:13:55.040 They will greatly matter in a race that is this close and in which the pool of movable voters is relatively small.

00:14:04.040 Well, and Roger, I'll add that Kamala Harris, you know, you kind of alluded to it there. 0.79

00:14:09.040 We talked about this media boom in the beginning of the show.

00:14:12.040 They've done everything they can to manufacture hype around Kamala Harris. 0.95

00:14:15.040 And that has a certain shelf life, as you always say, in the eye of the storm.

00:14:19.040 And we're in the eye of Kamala Harris.

00:14:21.040 I mean, it's not a small thing.

00:14:23.040 Kamala Harris rising up to replace Joe Biden, who is the sitting president, as the nominee of their party.

00:14:29.040 And so she's getting a boost from that.

00:14:34.040 But as she's revealed her policies, her stock is actually tanking in Vegas and in other places where people can bet on this. 0.98

00:14:40.040 And I know you've been kind of steady all along in saying that Kamala Harris entering this race doesn't strengthen the Democrats' hand really in any particular swing state or area.

00:14:51.040 And I'd like you to talk about that for a second.

00:14:53.040 You know, we've talked on this show about New Jersey possibly being in play.

00:14:57.040 We've talked about other states, including Virginia, possibly being in play.

00:15:01.040 When you're looking across the map, Roger, what are you seeing right now?

00:15:04.040 Do you think that there's any areas that Republicans should particularly focus on where they can make headway, where they maybe couldn't do it in prior elections?

00:15:12.040 You know, Troy, unfortunately, I think it's in a way it's too early to say.

00:15:17.040 So, first of all, I'm not even sure how to correctly pronounce her name.

00:15:21.040 And I know leftists are very sensitive about this.

00:15:23.040 I believe it to be Kamala.

00:15:25.040 I'm not saying that to be insulting, but I think that's how you pronounce her name.

00:15:28.040 Others pronounce it a different way and seem to think it's I'm being disrespectful if I didn't get it right.

00:15:33.040 That's how how I believe it's it's pronounced.

00:15:38.040 But initially it appeared the strategy was to try to erase her past.

00:15:43.040 Pretend she didn't support defunding the police.

00:15:45.040 Pretend she didn't propose decriminalizing crossing the border illegally.

00:15:50.040 Pretending she never proposed that U.S.

00:15:53.040 taxpayers foot the bill for the health care costs of every one of the 20 plus illegals who are in the country. 0.99

00:16:01.040 That we pretend that she's not someone who proposed to ban private health insurance.

00:16:07.040 That she isn't somebody who said they would ban fracking, which is a crucial issue in Pennsylvania.

00:16:13.040 But then she tried to claim that it was she was going to close the border.

00:16:19.040 She was going to hire hundreds of new border agents and crack down to close the border. 0.99

00:16:24.040 Pretending with the with the assistance of the fake news media that she was never in charge of the border,

00:16:30.040 which, of course, she was according to NBC and ABC.

00:16:34.040 Oh, no, she was never the czar.

00:16:36.040 They're they're using that title, which I admit the media picked up and invented.

00:16:41.040 But the job responsibility given to her by Joe Biden was clearly the policy on our southern border.

00:16:48.040 Then she tried, of course, to pirate Donald Trump's proposal not to tax tips for for service workers, which, by the way, makes perfect sense because under the IRS code, gifts are not taxable.

00:17:02.040 So a tip is a gratuity and gratitude for good service.

00:17:08.040 That's not the payment for the meal.

00:17:10.040 That's not the payment of the salary of the server.

00:17:12.040 So it's a gift and it shouldn't be taxed.

00:17:15.040 She she she pirated that as if it was hers. 0.98

00:17:19.040 Then she goes on after claiming she will seal the border and not tax gratuities. 0.99

00:17:27.040 You see the real Kamala starts to surface.

00:17:30.040 She's suddenly now going to give twenty five thousand dollars to anybody who wants to buy a home, as I said earlier, regardless of whether they could service a mortgage or not.

00:17:41.040 That's a guaranteed budget buster and a crash.

00:17:45.040 And she admits that she will just seize your company. 0.99

00:17:48.040 She'll seize your patents if she feels like it. 1.00

00:17:51.040 That's that's communism is what that's called.

00:17:54.040 Even CNN and The New York Times panned her economic plan.

00:17:58.040 So, yes, I think the bloom is off the rose.

00:18:01.040 I want to remind people that joining us today in the Stone Zone, Hank Sheinkoff, probably one of the most brilliant minds in the Democrat Party, longtime Democrat labor strategist, somebody I have enormous respect for.

00:18:15.040 We disagree on a lot of things, but I'm anxious to hear his take on this election.

00:18:22.040 Now, seventy seven days between now and the election is misleading because early voting starts much sooner in various states.

00:18:31.040 So I think it's incumbent on the president's campaign to define Kamala Harris before she tries to redefine herself. 0.54

00:18:40.040 Now, what are we going to see this way?

00:18:42.040 Well, we're going to see a lot of canned speeches using a teleprompter in which they tried to reinvent her as someone who's smart or someone who's articulate or someone who's capable of being president. 0.86

00:18:54.040 None of which, of course, her record would indicate.

00:18:57.040 In the meantime, I point out again, no one on one interviews, no full blown press conferences, no exposure to the media.

00:19:05.040 That's because they know that they're stuck with a weak candidate who cannot speak.

00:19:10.040 And then I would argue that the selection of Walsh is is potentially problematic.

00:19:17.040 Now, again, they will say, oh, well, Walsh is more popular than J.D. Vance.

00:19:22.040 Well, the election is not tomorrow.

00:19:23.040 So he's more popular because the media jumped on these elitist attacks on Vance, which is based basically in snobbery.

00:19:33.040 And they hide the real record of Tim Walsh.

00:19:37.040 I'm sorry, but he is clearly guilty, according to much of documented evidence of stolen valor.

00:19:46.040 He lied about his military service.

00:19:48.040 He lied repeatedly about being in combat.

00:19:51.040 Members of his own unit have documented this.

00:19:55.040 He is also responsible for the for the damage in the Twin Cities during the BLM Antifa riots in 2020, when he delayed three days before calling in and activating the National Guard.

00:20:11.040 Then he tried to blame the mayor.

00:20:14.040 He is he is he is as strange as can be.

00:20:18.040 So what do they do?

00:20:19.040 Oh, J.D. Vance is weird.

00:20:21.040 I'm sorry, but this guy Walsh is wacky.

00:20:23.040 Look at the way he jumps around the stage. 0.52

00:20:26.040 It's just it's unhinged.

00:20:28.040 Well, it is, you know, and Roger, it's interesting watching these rallies that you see, you know, Trump.

00:20:33.040 I've actually seen Trump booed at his rallies before.

00:20:35.040 You know, sometimes he'll mention something particularly.

00:20:38.040 It doesn't happen much, but I remember back in the days of the covid vaccine.

00:20:41.040 You know, there's a few times that the audience would would boo.

00:20:44.040 And you hear a variation in their cheers.

00:20:46.040 Some things they really cheer for, some things they don't.

00:20:49.040 When you listen to a Tim Walls, Kamala Harris rally, every line is an applause line.

00:20:54.040 And if you really watch it, you get the sense that, oh, this is just B-roll.

00:20:58.040 I mean, what they're essentially creating is B-roll for news organizations around the country to show this wacky guy out there waving his hands around while these people cheer for him.

00:21:08.040 And I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

00:21:10.040 You know, Roger, I find it very suspicious.

00:21:12.040 Now, we don't have any proof for this.

00:21:14.040 I'm currently combing through a lot of these Democrat fundraising apparatus to see, you know, if there's anything that, you know, suggests this.

00:21:22.040 But the fact that they're going from these arenas, you know, to basically no rallies at all, to arenas packed with Kamala Harris, who got less than 3% of the vote in the Democrat primary just a few years ago.

00:21:35.040 It seems incredibly disingenuous to me.

00:21:38.040 What do you think's behind this?

00:21:39.040 Do you think there's people paying these people to go to the rallies?

00:21:42.040 Or what do you think's at hand here?

00:21:44.040 Look, anything is possible.

00:21:46.040 With the kind of media hype, free media hype that she gets, where these media outlets should be filing as an in-kind contributor with the Federal Election Commission to try to create this aura that she is surging. 0.97

00:22:00.040 And then when she gets caught red-handed, or her supporters do, using AI to try to exaggerate the size of the crowds, those who point that out accurately, like Donald Trump, get ridiculed.

00:22:12.040 Although it appears to me to be a master manipulation.

00:22:15.040 Look, the country is relatively evenly divided.

00:22:19.040 There's a hardcore base out there who is deeply infected with Trump derangement syndrome.

00:22:25.040 And they'd be for whoever the Democrats nominate, no matter how unqualified for the job.

00:22:31.040 And they would embrace whoever Kamala Harris and Barack Obama anointed for vice president.

00:22:38.040 But as we outlined on this show, Walsh got on this ticket kind of by default.

00:22:45.040 The early favorite, Governor Josh Shapiro, who is Jewish, was determined to be too divisive.

00:22:52.040 And it was thought by Barack Obama and others that he would cost the Democrats Michigan and Minnesota with their large Muslim American populations.

00:23:03.040 And I think that Mark Kelly of Arizona was looked at as a potential nominee with Obama knocking Walsh, pardon me, knocking Shapiro out of contention.

00:23:18.040 But his connections to the Chinese communist company that builds and manufactures these surveillance balloons, like the one that Joe Biden let float all the way across America, ended up ending his potential candidacy.

00:23:33.040 And we ended up with Walsh.

00:23:35.040 The more you read about Walsh, the stranger it gets. 0.98

00:23:39.040 I mean, there are credible stories that he had to have his stomach pumped for swallowing a huge amount of, yes, horse semen. 0.84

00:23:47.040 That is a that's a documented story.

00:23:50.040 That's not to some conspiracy.

00:23:52.040 So this guy is very odd.

00:23:55.040 Their entire ticket is way out of the mainstream.

00:23:58.040 But the Democrats are desperate to to pretend that the old Kamala Harris, the one who was a carbon copy on issues to Bernie Sanders, the one who wanted to defund the police, as I said, who wanted to decriminalize border crossings, who who had a record of being soft on crime, 0.99

00:24:16.040 who criticized Joe Biden for his role in the 90 1994 crime bill, which created the harsh mandatory penalties for the first time nonviolent crime of possession of small amounts of drugs and then turned around and prosecuted thousands of African Americans in California for exact that exact crime.

00:24:39.040 So on the one hand, she giggles about smoking marijuana herself in college, but then she locked people up for that exact infraction. 0.98

00:24:48.040 They really want to to bury that Kamala Harris. 0.73

00:24:53.040 They want to pretend she doesn't.

00:24:54.040 That person no longer exists.

00:24:56.040 And then, in all honesty, the erasure of Joe Biden here as if he was never president is really extraordinary.

00:25:04.040 So Biden speaks tonight to the Democrat convention, and then he's immediately leaving to go on vacation.

00:25:13.040 Now, I think his entire presidency is one big vacation.

00:25:16.040 This guy spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

00:25:19.040 But whether he is leaving out of peak because he's angry that he's been abused or whether he's leaving because the stage managers of this entire Kamala Harris, Tim Walz production want him off the stage and out of the public consciousness as quickly as possible because his record is a disaster.

00:25:42.040 It's a record that he shares with with Kamala Harris.

00:25:47.040 I'm not certain, but it does serve her purposes to shuffle Joe off the stage as quickly as possible.

00:25:54.040 Well, Roger, President Trump has said multiple times we've played the clips on Slingshot of him talking about Biden.

00:26:01.040 He says, I think Biden's going to make a comeback.

00:26:03.040 And I think there's a certain level of joking there.

00:26:05.040 But what I think he's really trying to highlight is the emotion of Joe Biden, who is obviously very angry about this.

00:26:10.040 And I would not be surprised.

00:26:12.040 You know, it may be beyond the Democrats because they usually do.

00:26:15.040 They're a pretty tight knit union.

00:26:16.040 And like you said, there is a possibility that Joe Biden could be taken out by the same people who tried to just assassinate President Donald Trump in order to give us President Kamala Harris.

00:26:27.040 But my point is that, you know, the people really behind the scenes that are orchestrating this, it looks like they are eager as possible to get Joe Biden out of the spotlight.

00:26:36.040 It's something we're going to be touching on at the Stone Zone all week.

00:26:40.040 And, Roger, you know, before we get to our interview here, there's one more thing I wanted to ask you about.

00:26:44.040 And that is President Trump's endorsement of David Shore in Florida's state Senate race in District 7.

00:26:51.040 Now, to my understanding, this endorsement comes opposite of an endorsement made by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:26:59.040 I wanted to get you the opportunity to talk about this here because it sounds like there may be some tension here in this race particularly.

00:27:07.040 Look, Troy, this is a national story only because this is a proxy battle.

00:27:12.040 President Trump has strongly endorsed David Shore, a former sheriff in a county that is Flagler and St. John's County, while the incumbent Tom Leak has been strongly endorsed by Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:27:30.040 So Leak is a rhino. The only thing you can definitively say about Senator Leak is that he's gotten very, very, very wealthy during his time of public service.

00:27:41.040 He appears to be essentially an errand boy for Florida's insurance industry.

00:27:46.040 You know, the one that won't cover your home if it's destroyed in a hurricane.

00:27:52.040 So this is an important battle. The president rarely gets into state Senate races, but he issued an endorsement video of David Shore today.

00:28:01.040 I've endorsed Shore. It's that race tomorrow, folks, August 20th in the Republican primary.

00:28:09.040 Very, very key race to keep an eye on.

00:28:12.040 To go back to your question that you raised, Troy, because it's an important one, and Kimberly Guilfoyle raised it with me earlier today on her great show, was whether they would be tempted to elevate Kamala Harris to the presidency in order to enhance her candidacy.

00:28:29.040 That would require them to either force Joe Biden out under the 25th Amendment, which I believe New York Times Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh is correct about.

00:28:40.040 I think they already threatened to do that to get Joe to step aside.

00:28:44.040 Would they now trigger that in order to remove him entirely, allowing her to take on the trappings and the prestige of being a president?

00:28:51.040 Or, God forbid, would they would they take Joe Biden out the way they took out John Kennedy, the way I think they tried to take out Donald Trump only weeks ago? 0.81

00:29:03.040 These people are inherently evil.

00:29:05.040 No, I don't wish that on Joe Biden, and I'm not trying to pray it into existence, but I'm also a realist about the stakes and the epic evil of the deep state combine that's trying desperately here to hold on to power.

00:29:20.040 Well, and it's just it's a terrible situation, Roger, because Joe Biden, you know, he was put up there as kind of a puppet.

00:29:28.040 He's put up there as somebody who is a real placeholder for Barack Obama and Barack Obama has pulled the puppet strings of his administration.

00:29:35.040 And it's almost like they can't get rid of him.

00:29:38.040 And the idea that this guy was let out to pasture, maybe just maybe you will have some leaks about Kamala Harris and things like that.

00:29:46.040 Maybe you will have some things going forward because I would imagine that people like Hunter Biden and Jill Biden, who very much, you know, they have the connections there in D.C.

00:29:55.040 They know the right people.

00:29:57.040 They have to be extremely angry about this, maybe even more so than Joe, because, you know, obviously they're probably more coherent than Joe at this point.

00:30:04.040 All right. Let me take a quick commercial break and then we're going to be right back with our guest, Dr. Henry Sheinkoff, Hank Sheinkoff, one of the most renowned political strategists for the Democrats and labor in this country, a man for whom I have enormous respect.

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00:31:31.040 As I said earlier, Dr.

00:31:33.040 Henry Hank Sheinkoff is one of the most brilliant Democrat strategists in the country.

00:31:41.040 He is was a key member of the team that reelected Bill Clinton in an upset comeback.

00:31:48.040 He's worked in over 700 campaigns nationally and internationally.

00:31:53.040 He is widely respected, particularly in some state of New York.

00:31:57.040 He is advised labor unions, candidates, parties.

00:32:02.040 And he always tells it to you straight.

00:32:05.040 Hank Sheinkoff joins us now in the Stone Zone.

00:32:10.040 Hello, Roger. How are you?

00:32:12.040 Dr. Sheinkoff, thank you for joining us.

00:32:14.040 Pleasure. Thank you.

00:32:17.040 Well, we are 77 days out from a dramatic presidential election.

00:32:23.040 You and I have been around a long time.

00:32:25.040 We've seen a lot of things.

00:32:27.040 Never quite seen anything like this.

00:32:30.040 Joe Biden was thought only weeks, if not months ago, to be the presumptive Democrat nominee.

00:32:36.040 Rolled up 71 percent in the Democrat primaries and caucuses.

00:32:41.040 Was cruising towards renomination.

00:32:44.040 Suddenly decides, despite saying for weeks that he would not drop out, he drops out.

00:32:50.040 Kamala Harris is elevated to the position of nominee.

00:32:54.040 Despite the fact that no Democrat primary voter voted for her in a caucus or a primary, she has had quite a honeymoon in the media.

00:33:05.040 I'm going to shut up, Hank, and ask you, where do you see this race today? 1.00

00:33:09.040 Today, she wins. 0.83

00:33:11.040 But we haven't gone through the rest of the convention.

00:33:13.040 It's only begun.

00:33:14.040 We haven't gone through debates yet.

00:33:16.040 We haven't gone through a real comparative campaign minimally, a negative campaign maximally.

00:33:22.040 Long way to go between here and there.

00:33:24.040 Donald Trump has got to get back on message, whatever it takes.

00:33:28.040 And, you know, it needs some things got to get put together.

00:33:33.040 I mean, you know, I put myself in the position of the Republicans and I say the following.

00:33:37.040 You know, I've spent millions and millions of dollars and thousands of hours of time planning a campaign against Joe Biden.

00:33:43.040 And I didn't expect that Joe Biden would be couped, which is essentially what happened.

00:33:48.040 President of the United States effectively forced out of office by members of his own party.

00:33:53.040 I mean, who ever heard of such a thing?

00:33:55.040 But I'm Donald Trump and I'm the Republicans.

00:33:57.040 What do I do?

00:33:58.040 I have to come up with a new strategy.

00:33:59.040 It's got to be based on present data having to do with Harris.

00:34:02.040 And it has to be somewhat based upon her performance.

00:34:05.040 Now, the Democrats have, they are kind of too exuberant right now.

00:34:09.040 They think they got this one.

00:34:10.040 I'm not sure.

00:34:11.040 Tell me how she ultimately plays in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia, and you'll know the election. 0.99

00:34:20.040 Why?

00:34:21.040 I think she can win Wisconsin and Michigan. 1.00

00:34:24.040 But I think the other states are in real serious play, and I don't know how that all works out.

00:34:29.040 Look, I agree with your overall analysis.

00:34:32.040 This was always, by the way, going to be a competitive race.

00:34:35.040 Any Republican or Trump supporter who thought even against Joe Biden this was going to be some kind of runaway or some kind of landslide, that was never going to happen.

00:34:44.040 Both candidates in that race extremely well defined, both of them carrying both very polarizing, both of them carrying significant positives and negatives into the general election.

00:34:56.040 I know some of my Republican friends were much too jazzed up in talking about a landslide and maybe looking at swatches of fabric for their offices in the White House.

00:35:07.040 But I always thought this would be a tight competitive race.

00:35:10.040 It seems to me that this shortened campaign period is beneficial to Kamala Harris because she's ill-defined. 1.00

00:35:20.040 And if she can use the convention this week to further define herself as more moderate than she really is, that would be a huge advantage. 0.98

00:35:29.040 It seems to me that the Trump campaign needs to focus on defining her as being someone who wanted to defund the police.

00:35:39.040 Somebody who wanted to make illegal border crossings decriminalized.

00:35:43.040 Somebody who wanted U.S. taxpayers to pay for the health care costs of all the people who are here illegally. 1.00

00:35:50.040 Some of you described correctly on my radio show as a toxic mix for the Democrats.

00:35:57.040 Somebody who wanted to ban private health insurance.

00:36:00.040 And someone who now openly says she will seize your company putting out an economic plan that, wow, even the New York Times and the CNN panned. 0.65

00:36:09.040 But the most important thing you said is that there's a lot to play out here.

00:36:16.040 There are cataclysmic events yet to take place, including, I believe, two debates, one vice presidential debate, the play out of this convention, whether Joe Biden, what role he plays going forward, how visible he is.

00:36:32.040 So all of these things are unknown.

00:36:33.040 So anyone who tries to tell you today that they know how this election comes out, they have no idea what they're talking about.

00:36:41.040 I think the president has a small advantage, but it would be a mistake to ignore the advantages that Kamala Harris has of a mainstream media support. 0.98

00:36:53.040 And now I gather that Barack Obama has onboarded some of his top lieutenants like David Plouffe and Stephanie Cutter, Michael Stewart, I think it is.

00:37:06.040 Do you think that, Hank, is the potential for, I don't know, friction within the Kamala campaign?

00:37:13.040 Absolutely.

00:37:14.040 When you bring new people in, as you know, Roger, from your own experience, you're going to have friction because the others who've been there before feel that they have been, that they have an ownership and a title to the property, which is the candidate.

00:37:27.040 And they're not likely to be very happy.

00:37:29.040 So it'll take some time to integrate those people and to create an operation that looks straight ahead.

00:37:34.040 I also think a lot of what you're saying is accurate.

00:37:36.040 If there is one case that someone finds during her tenure in the attorney general's office, remember the attorney general of California is the second largest effectively justice department in the country.

00:37:47.040 Over, you know, oversized only by the federal government's Department of Justice.

00:37:53.040 They find one case where someone she prosecuted or didn't prosecute was an illegal or immigrant who then went on to kill a police officer.

00:38:02.040 God forbid, that ad will burn up, burn up the airwaves in Arizona, Nevada, Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia, unquestionably so.

00:38:13.040 That's problem one.

00:38:15.040 Problem two, do the Democrats really know how to have a fight?

00:38:19.040 I'm not sure they do.

00:38:22.040 What they're used to doing is, well, I always said the Republicans would have blitzkrieg, the Democrats would have zitzkrieg.

00:38:27.040 What they need to do is to get prepared for a battle that they think they already have fought and won, which is Donald Trump's personality, not so.

00:38:35.040 They're going to have to deal with things like a lot of people believing that we were at peace until the Democrats took control,

00:38:42.040 that the economy was better until the Democrats took control, and other kinds of issues that people feel, whether they are true or not.

00:38:49.040 And it is feeling that elects people, not rational thinking.

00:38:54.040 You make a number of excellent points there.

00:38:59.040 I guess what I would say is that this is going to be very hard fought.

00:39:05.040 But the idea that Trump's campaign team was unprepared for the withdrawal of Biden, that they had not prepared research and looked into the record of Kamala Harris, that they hadn't tested various themes against, is simply not true.

00:39:19.040 They, like most Americans, saw the possibility of this coming.

00:39:23.040 The advertising they're running, and also the advertising some of the super PACs are running, and there have been new FEC rulings about what you can and cannot share, has been very effective.

00:39:35.040 I saw an ad, it's almost like you just described it, a story of a police officer who was killed by an illegal in California, but as a prosecutor, Kamala Harris did not seek the death penalty.

00:39:48.040 And therefore his widow is of the police officers speaking out.

00:39:52.040 See, I think personalizing that in a way that people can identify with the person is much different than just presenting people a cold, hard statistic.

00:40:01.040 Do you agree?

00:40:02.040 I absolutely agree.

00:40:03.040 Absolutely.

00:40:04.040 You know, the other thing that's going to happen here is we're going to see, you know, look, the tragedy of the George Floyd murder is evident by definition.

00:40:15.040 But the fact the riots that occurred afterwards, and the riots around the country, and the governor of Minnesota can be accused of not taking appropriate action or sufficient action, and that event can be blamed for the riots in Portland, Seattle, New York, and cities around the country, that can become part of the discussion.

00:40:33.040 Again, when there is chaos.

00:40:34.040 Again, when there is chaos, when there is disorder, we know from our own history, from presidential elections that both you and I have worked on or been around, the people tend to respond negatively to things that are out of control.

00:40:44.040 And they blame the party that are out of control.

00:40:45.040 And they blame the party that is in power.

00:40:48.040 And Walsh is going to pay for that, unquestionably so.

00:40:51.040 Why?

00:40:52.040 He's weak.

00:40:53.040 His rhetoric is turned against him.

00:40:54.040 He looks too much like a, I think, not a carnival barker, but he's the Ed McMahon of the Johnny Carson show here.

00:41:05.040 That's his job, and he's not doing it very well in my estimation.

00:41:09.040 It's interesting, his poll numbers are slightly better than J.D. Vance's, as if either one of them is totally defined.

00:41:16.040 Vice presidential debates have never really made a difference.

00:41:20.040 But my guess is that this one will get an enormous audience, and in a very close race, it could have some impact.

00:41:28.040 Now, earlier in the show, Troy asked me about Pennsylvania.

00:41:33.040 No one knows more about Pennsylvania than you do.

00:41:36.040 You've had some, I think, shrewd observations about the east-west divide in that state.

00:41:42.040 So as we try to look at Pennsylvania, kind of size that up for us, if you would.

00:41:47.040 The people, I think the Democrats and everybody else is reading this wrong.

00:41:51.040 I mean, if you look at statewide elections in Pennsylvania, which has had a fairly static population,

00:41:56.040 if you take eastern Pennsylvania, the city of Philadelphia, and the suburban portion of Philadelphia,

00:42:03.040 suburban area of Philadelphia, you balance that out proportionally against the turnout in the west.

00:42:08.040 What you find is that people in the west tend to vote with greater intensity.

00:42:11.040 They are much more conservative.

00:42:13.040 They hate Harrisburg.

00:42:14.040 They hate Philadelphia.

00:42:15.040 They hate taxes.

00:42:17.040 They are just disgusted generally with government.

00:42:21.040 They like the city of Pittsburgh overall.

00:42:23.040 They like things that they have, and they don't like what is coming from the outside.

00:42:26.040 That being said, you have Philadelphia, which, you know, turnout numbers have gone down in.

00:42:33.040 The cut points probably in the Philadelphia suburbs may be a woman's right to choose reproductive freedom, reproductive rights. 1.00

00:42:42.040 But Israel and the Gaza war may become much more important in the state of Pennsylvania than people realize it as a very large evangelical population.

00:42:52.040 And evangelical voters across the board are much more strident in their support of Israel.

00:42:57.040 They are.

00:42:58.040 There are many more of them in this country than there are Jews. 1.00

00:43:00.040 So the idea that somehow the Jews are going to define this election is patently idiotic. 1.00

00:43:05.040 The fundamentalist Christians may very well define Pennsylvania. 1.00

00:43:10.040 Excellent point.

00:43:11.040 We know from history that the turnout of evangelicals in 2016 was about 78 percent.

00:43:18.040 But in 2020, it had dropped to about 63 percent.

00:43:22.040 And it is an imperative for the Trump campaign and the Republicans to get those numbers up.

00:43:28.040 I hadn't thought about the the issue of Israel as an important overlay.

00:43:35.040 Let me ask this question and we'll go to Troy for a question.

00:43:39.040 Donald Trump's ultimate upside potential among Jewish voters, even with the issues in the Middle East playing out. 0.63

00:43:47.040 Where does he end up in your view?

00:43:50.040 He does 10 points.

00:43:51.040 He does 10 points plus better than most Republicans have done.

00:43:55.040 Why?

00:43:56.040 Because in the more observant portions of the Jewish community, they will vote in lockstep for Trump.

00:44:00.040 There are people in the center of the community who are going to vote in lockstep for Trump because they just don't trust Biden and Harris.

00:44:07.040 And Harris now with Waltz on the Middle East.

00:44:10.040 And they they understand what reasonable people understand, which is should Israel fail, Iran will triumph. 0.92

00:44:17.040 And you can kiss the Mediterranean basin goodbye and the Red Sea shipping lanes, which is the exactly what Harry Truman kind of talked about in 1948 with the Truman Doctrine as it applied to the Mediterranean.

00:44:29.040 People, unfortunately, don't read.

00:44:30.040 They don't think and they have no sense about international politics.

00:44:33.040 This is not about Israel.

00:44:35.040 This is about our enemy, Iran, the greatest supporter of international terrorism, which Republicans understand. 0.97

00:44:41.040 And and unlike Barack Obama, did not invite Iran into the community of nations because you don't do that with criminals. 0.92

00:44:48.040 All right.

00:44:50.040 Troy, do you have a question for Hank Shankoff?

00:44:53.040 Absolutely, sir.

00:44:54.040 We've seen kind of an unprecedented situation this election cycle with a with Joe Biden getting, as Roger said, 71 percent of the vote then getting taken out.

00:45:04.040 My question to you is, you know, how many Democrat voters are going to stay home because Joe Biden was removed?

00:45:11.040 In other words, you know, how what what percentage of Democrat voters are kind of disenfranchised by Kamala Harris being placed on top with no votes, you know, never getting any votes?

00:45:21.040 I'm not sure that a lot are.

00:45:23.040 I mean, my daughter told me the other day, she said, Daddy, how is it possible that you could just put a candidate in place without other Democrats making that decision?

00:45:32.040 So there's some resentment you may hear at the convention.

00:45:35.040 But overall, Democrats are likely to fall into line because of the visceral sense about that they have about Donald Trump, whether it is right or wrong.

00:45:44.040 That's how they feel.

00:45:45.040 And the data is pretty clear about that.

00:45:47.040 Yeah, I agree with that with that analysis.

00:45:50.040 I think the electorate is so polarized, the Democrats so polarized against Trump.

00:45:55.040 That's a motivational factor to turn out, even if they may be unhappy at the way Joe Biden was shunted aside.

00:46:02.040 It's equally true, by the way, of Republicans.

00:46:04.040 I mean, wouldn't matter who they nominated, whether it was Joe Biden or Kamala, the intensity in Trump's base vote remains extremely strong.

00:46:15.040 It has to depend on that intensity, in fact, going into the stretch.

00:46:19.040 It's interesting to me.

00:46:20.040 We keep talking about 77 days, but early voting starts much earlier.

00:46:25.040 And therefore, literally, we're at the juncture now where every single day counts.

00:46:30.040 And there's a lot of advertising going on that not the entire country is seeing, but is being seen in the swing states.

00:46:39.040 This, by the way, is not just by the Trump campaign and not just by Super PAC supporting Trump, but also by the Democrats, by the Harris-Waltz campaign.

00:46:51.040 This whole thing is playing out, but not everybody sees it nationally.

00:46:56.040 People say, oh, I'm not seeing any advertising for President Trump.

00:47:00.040 I say, well, you live in Idaho, but what do you expect?

00:47:03.040 I mean, so there's a, it is very segmented.

00:47:07.040 There's a lot going on out there that doesn't, that doesn't come to the, to the attention of all the voters.

00:47:14.040 One thing I've been incredibly surprised about, and which hasn't gotten that much commentary, is the inroads that Trump has made among Hispanic voters.

00:47:24.040 I mean, traditionally Republicans were able to get roughly a third of the Hispanic vote.

00:47:30.040 The great Ronald Reagan got in the high 30s.

00:47:33.040 That was considered an accomplishment.

00:47:35.040 George W. Bush got in the high 20s, almost 30.

00:47:39.040 That was considered an accomplishment.

00:47:42.040 Yet poll after poll after poll actually shows Donald Trump leading among Hispanics below 50, but typically leading Kamala Harris 48, 45 in that range.

00:47:57.040 Hank, does this surprise you?

00:47:59.040 No, it doesn't, Roger.

00:48:01.040 I'll tell you why.

00:48:02.040 The Latinos that were getting, I don't like the word Latino, Hispanic, I don't like any of those words.

00:48:07.040 What the people were getting, frankly, from, from, from the, from Central and South America are in many cases, not Catholics.

00:48:14.040 They're evangelicals.

00:48:15.040 If you look at the evangelical growth in Venezuela and in the countries of Central America, you'll find that it's pretty extraordinary.

00:48:22.040 Argentina being an outlier in that regard.

00:48:24.040 Chile probably also, but everybody else, evangelicalism is on the rise.

00:48:28.040 Therefore, you have more people voting for Republicans.

00:48:30.040 You also have a values problem.

00:48:33.040 The, the incessant, you know, banging about gay rights, transgender issues and on and on tends to be a turnoff for that community. 0.81

00:48:41.040 And thirdly, the, the migrants, that the people who provided by the rules, which is the, which goes, that kind of ads go back to the Nixon era, right?

00:48:50.040 They abided by the rules.

00:48:51.040 They played properly.

00:48:52.040 They did the right thing.

00:48:53.040 They became citizens.

00:48:54.040 And now people are being given an advantage that they did not have.

00:48:58.040 It's a point of resentment.

00:48:59.040 So it's not surprising that Trump is doing better.

00:49:01.040 And also, Trump is a celebrity that that community knew.

00:49:04.040 Why?

00:49:05.040 Television.

00:49:06.040 Television advertising, television broadcasting.

00:49:10.040 He was a star on television.

00:49:12.040 Donald Trump is someone that people who think they can get up the ladder admire in the black and Latin communities.

00:49:18.040 You know, it's not many of them.

00:49:19.040 It's not, there's not an accident.

00:49:21.040 And therefore, you have a figure that people within those communities that are trying to get up would admire.

00:49:26.040 And Latinos are particularly, again, I think a lot of it is value arguments. 1.00

00:49:31.040 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:49:32.040 I think it's aspirational.

00:49:34.040 I mean, I think the economic argument, the argument of economic opportunity is a partial explanation about this surge among Hispanic voters by Trump.

00:49:45.040 I saw a survey.

00:49:46.040 In fact, it was a Fabrizio Lee survey about a year ago after the, it was taken after the 2022 elections that indicated that those Hispanic voters who got their news in English were the ones who were moving more heavily to the Republican Party and towards Trump.

00:50:04.040 And those Hispanic voters who were still getting their news in the Spanish language radio and cable were more likely to stick with the Democrats.

00:50:13.040 It's interesting to me that the Trump campaign is now advertising on Spanish language radio, advertising on Univision, Telemundo, and some of the other crucial outlets.

00:50:26.040 So clearly, they have taken this finding in their data to heart.

00:50:33.040 Hispanic voters are going to be a crucial element here.

00:50:36.040 And whether Trump can, in the end, hold on to and even build on the incredible start that he's had here under what was previously habitually and dependably Democrat voter group as going to be one of the absolute keys to the election.

00:50:53.040 Troy, another question for you to Henry Shankoff, my friend.

00:50:58.040 Absolutely, sir.

00:50:59.040 So, you know, we hear so much about Ted Cruz in Texas and the Democrats' efforts in Texas, and we hear also about Republicans trying to make gains in places like New Jersey and Virginia.

00:51:09.040 I'm just wondering, in your electoral map, what you're looking at right now, I know you said it's a little early, but are you seeing any areas where the Democrats traditionally dominate, but they're going to have trouble or maybe vice versa, where the Republicans traditionally dominate?

00:51:22.040 We could see something different this time around.

00:51:24.040 I think the Texas thing is among the most hilarious things I've heard.

00:51:27.040 I worked in Texas a lot. 0.97

00:51:29.040 The idea that a Democrat will win Texas right now is completely ridiculous, number one. 0.93

00:51:33.040 Could Cruz lose? 0.92

00:51:35.040 That happens.

00:51:36.040 It's a function of personality and individual issues, but not about registration or turnouts.

00:51:41.040 You know, I would talk to, what's that fellow from El Paso?

00:51:44.040 You know, governor, forget his name, that's the one, or president, you know who?

00:51:47.040 Nobody ever remembers him.

00:51:49.040 He's a Democrat from El Paso, and that's the end to him.

00:51:51.040 As to other states, do I think that you'll see higher Republican turnouts in New Jersey?

00:51:57.040 I'm not sure.

00:51:58.040 I would think that you'd have to have a pretty different kind of day.

00:52:01.040 My betting, though, is that if the Democrats win the U.S. Senate race in New Jersey, which I expect that they will, that you could very well have a Republican governor next year, which is just a resentment over the president's state of affairs.

00:52:15.040 Other states where you might see twists and turns, North Carolina is interesting to me, because it's been able to go both ways.

00:52:23.040 The era of Jesse Holmes is long gone.

00:52:25.040 There's no centralized control by the Republicans.

00:52:28.040 It's in play, as far as I'm concerned.

00:52:31.040 Virginia?

00:52:32.040 Virginia's in play, too.

00:52:33.040 Why?

00:52:34.040 Reproductive rights in Northern Virginia, and Kamala Harris as a woman of color, for lack of better terminology. 1.00

00:52:41.040 So could that change?

00:52:42.040 It's possible.

00:52:44.040 But are those states important?

00:52:46.040 You bet.

00:52:47.040 But not as important as the others we've talked about.

00:52:49.040 You know, not as important as the others we've talked about.

00:52:52.040 Hank, a difficult question.

00:52:55.040 At the Association of Black Journalists, Donald Trump raised the issue of the ever-shifting claims of ethnicity by Kamala Harris, essentially for political expediency and benefit.

00:53:10.040 Some people thought this was an enormous mistake.

00:53:13.040 Other people thought that it needed to be said because it spoke to her chicanery as a politician and to her character.

00:53:19.040 I'm in the latter group.

00:53:23.040 I'm not saying it's something that should be a constant theme.

00:53:26.040 I think now that it's been raised, many, many people, including many of my friends who are black, get it.

00:53:32.040 They kind of get it.

00:53:33.040 In your view, was it a misstep by the president?

00:53:36.040 And if so, how damaging?

00:53:39.040 How damaging?

00:53:40.040 If not, how do you assess this?

00:53:42.040 I wouldn't have done what he did were I he and I think that timing is everything.

00:53:47.040 You know, Fred Astaire was really good at what he did because he understood when to move.

00:53:51.040 And what Donald Trump did at that particular moment was not helpful.

00:53:55.040 Why?

00:53:56.040 Because people were adjusting to the idea that there was a woman who was black, whether he agreed with that or not.

00:54:01.040 But that's how they saw her.

00:54:02.040 And it's going to be hard to convince them that that's not the case.

00:54:05.040 And I also have a basic rule about American politics, which is no one minds really being a racist if they're in the normal part of the political spectrum.

00:54:13.040 They mind being found out.

00:54:15.040 And that's going to take some time to overcome that for the president, President Trump.

00:54:20.040 Why?

00:54:21.040 Because it's just not the best position to be in.

00:54:23.040 People get someone embarrassed.

00:54:24.040 It was not the best idea.

00:54:26.040 And it wasn't.

00:54:27.040 He didn't really handle it well in my estimation.

00:54:29.040 Why?

00:54:30.040 Because he doesn't.

00:54:31.040 I think that this may be a personal battle, but everybody in the country and the world is watching.

00:54:37.040 One of the classic mistakes that Republicans make is this belief that all people with dark skin or darker skin think monolithically exactly alike, which, of course, is insulting and wrong.

00:54:49.040 And there are many divisions among people of color.

00:54:52.040 People originated whose origins are in the Caribbean think differently than people whose origins may be in Africa.

00:54:59.040 It's much more nuanced than I think any Republicans normally recognize.

00:55:05.040 We're going to have to.

00:55:06.040 I disagree with your assessment, but I respect it.

00:55:09.040 It was.

00:55:10.040 But it was vintage Donald Trump.

00:55:12.040 I mean, look, he's not handled.

00:55:14.040 He's not managed.

00:55:15.040 He's not scripted.

00:55:16.040 And he's going to run this race his way.

00:55:18.040 I think it's funny when those who are nervous about the outcome of this election blame, quote unquote, his campaign.

00:55:26.040 I think his campaign is actually quite well organized, well funded.

00:55:30.040 And they're very professionally led.

00:55:33.040 But at the end of the day, one man makes the decisions.

00:55:36.040 One man is not reading off of talking points.

00:55:39.040 He's not going to go in as scripted.

00:55:42.040 Wouldn't matter what anyone advised him.

00:55:44.040 In the end, he makes his own decisions.

00:55:46.040 I was heartened by this news that Tulsi Gabbard, the former Democrat Congresswoman from Hawaii, who's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, served her country honorably in combat in Iraq and Kuwait, has met with the president, is going to work with him on debate preparation.

00:56:08.040 Although that's a bit of a misnomer because he doesn't do traditional debate preparation.

00:56:14.040 But he does understand Kamala Harris and her style and her record.

00:56:18.040 And therefore, I think that may have some tremendous value.

00:56:22.040 All right.

00:56:23.040 I'm afraid we're out of time because I could ask Hank Sheinkoff questions all day and you would get incredibly illuminated answers.

00:56:31.040 But we have to move this along.

00:56:32.040 Let me thank our guest, Dr.

00:56:34.040 Henry Sheinkoff, one of the leading Democratic and labor strategists in the country and, in fact, in the world.

00:56:40.040 Hank, thank you so much for making time for us today on The Stone Zone.

00:56:44.040 I'm very grateful.

00:56:45.040 All the best, everyone.

00:56:46.040 Thank you.

00:56:47.040 All right, folks, we are out of time for today.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - August 19, 2024

Can Kamala Really Win？ Top Dem Strategist Hank Sheinkopf Enters The StoneZONE to Discuss

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