The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Can Steve Bannon Get Justice？ Roger Stone Discusses on The StoneZONE

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:11.340 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:15.080 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:21.240 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:26.580 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:32.200 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:37.520 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:45.220 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:50.740 That's right, it's summertime, time to break out the mattress.

00:00:54.860 And that's what I've done today.

00:00:57.760 Joining me to break down the political landscape is my co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News.

00:01:09.640 Roger, as always, it's an honor to be here.

00:01:11.900 I love the jacket today.

00:01:13.640 Thank you.

00:01:14.340 So, some major developments overnight.

00:01:19.040 Steve Bannon has filed an emergency appeal with the D.C. Court of Appeals seeking bail while he is appealing his sentence.

00:01:30.340 Now, Steve Bannon is a victim, just as George Papadopoulos was a victim, just as General Flynn was a victim, just as Paul Manafort was a victim, just as I was a victim, and just as President Donald Trump was a victim.

00:01:48.780 There are, in fact, serious constitutional issues regarding executive privilege.

00:01:56.400 And the truth is that Steve Bannon declined to testify based on the advice of his sentence regarding, specifically, the president's asserting of executive privilege in his case.

00:02:11.560 Here's a clip of his now-former lawyer, David Schoen, making an extraordinarily articulate argument as to why Steve Bannon should not be incarcerated during this time of appeal.

00:02:26.280 Let's roll it.

00:02:26.920 ...by Stephen K. Bannon, who's walking out of court right now, getting ready to give some, I'm sure, fiery live remarks.

00:02:38.580 The man who is probably one of the largest existential threats to the Biden regime, which is why they're trying to put him away.

00:02:44.440 There he is.

00:02:45.100 Yeah, so, as you know, the judge today issued a surrender date of July 1st in order to let us appeal to a higher court, meaning the full Court of Appeals in D.C. and or the United States Supreme Court.

00:02:59.460 As I said in the courtroom, this is an issue that legal scholars have said from day one is a case that has to go before the United States Supreme Court.

00:03:06.200 The Licavoli case from 1961, as this judge found earlier in this case, cannot be reconciled with either the traditional notion of willfulness in the criminal law or the modern definition.

00:03:18.120 There have been a number of cases just in the last few years that have fleshed this out and made clear that in this country, we don't send anyone to prison if they believed that they were doing something that complied with the law.

00:03:30.380 In other words, what Justice Alito and Justice Thomas said in 2019, where Congress wants to require proof that a criminal defendant knew his conduct was illegal, it specifies that the violation must be willful.

00:03:43.580 In the context of this statute, a misdemeanor, contempt of Congress, different from every single other statute in our jurisprudence, the court found that willful in 1961, the court found that willful, willfully make the fault, just means did you get a subpoena and did you comply with it?

00:04:00.020 That's not what willful means as a matter of law in the criminal context.

00:04:04.100 And here, the case is complicated because former President Trump invoked executive privilege and reaffirmed that before the trial started, that he had invoked executive privilege.

00:04:13.160 This case raises a dynamic separation of powers issue.

00:04:17.080 We know from years and decades of case law that the president and a former president has the authority to invoke executive privilege.

00:04:24.700 It's his prerogative, his or her prerogative, one day maybe her prerogative, but it's his prerogative to invoke, and it's presumptively valid when invoked.

00:04:33.980 It's not for Congress to determine whether it was an appropriate invocation or otherwise, and Congress cannot be the arbiter of how to respond to that.

00:04:41.820 Only a court can be.

00:04:43.240 That's the McGahn case.

00:04:44.760 Courts have spoken clearly about this.

00:04:46.260 The judge's decision today cannot be reconciled with his earlier comments in the case that Liccavoli was wrongly decided.

00:04:53.620 And what he said today was he acknowledged and the government had argued that this panel, in Mr. Bannon's case, didn't have the authority to overrule Liccavoli.

00:05:02.200 So how on earth can you find that there's no longer a substantial question when they never even considered the modern jurisprudence?

00:05:08.980 The decision has it wrong factually in many, many ways.

00:05:12.080 It's a horrible decision that overlooks facts in the record, but beyond all that, the fundamental principle of law here that's got to be vitiated in the United States Supreme Court is that willfully in the criminal conduct context means that you knew you did something wrong.

00:05:24.900 The unequivocal evidence in this case, without any dispute, is that Mr. Bannon never got the subpoena.

00:05:29.540 His lawyer got the subpoena, and his lawyer told him an executive privilege has been invoked.

00:05:33.980 President Trump confirmed that, and his lawyer told him that when an executive privilege has been invoked, you may not, as a matter of law, comply with this subpoena.

00:05:41.820 It's not your privilege to waive.

00:05:43.540 And he offered the committee an out.

00:05:45.260 He said, if the committee works out privilege with Mr. Trump, Bannon will comply fully.

00:05:49.460 If the committee goes to a judge and a judge says either privilege doesn't apply or it doesn't extend this broadly, Mr. Bannon will comply fully.

00:05:56.520 The committee only went criminal for their publicity reasons and for their political agenda, and you can see that from every statement they made.

00:06:02.940 And I'm going to say one more thing about this, because this is another issue.

00:06:06.200 The committee, the January 6th committee, was composed and engaged in conduct that violated the House rules without any question.

00:06:14.340 There was never any ranking minority member, which was an essential part, as were other parts, of the resolution creating it.

00:06:19.820 My hope is that Blagg, the bilateral advisory group in Congress, will be convened by the speaker, and he will declare that once and for all that the January 6th committee violated the House rules and that their conduct and their actions and subpoenas issued by them were not lawful subpoenas.

00:06:36.080 That's what they should do.

00:06:37.040 They've talked about it day in and day out that the committee wasn't properly composed and violated the rules.

00:06:42.800 For the integrity of the House rules, I call on Speaker Johnson to simply convene Blagg and make that position clear as a matter of law.

00:06:49.620 Blagg speaks for the House in legal matters.

00:06:52.200 Thank you.

00:06:53.220 Okay, thanks.

00:06:53.960 I've got great lawyers, and we're going to go all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to, but I want to say something specifically about the Justice Department.

00:07:00.020 Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, the entire Justice Department, they're not going to shut up Trump.

00:07:04.600 They're not going to shut up Navarro.

00:07:06.060 They're not going to shut up Bannon, and they're certainly not going to shut up MAGA.

00:07:08.620 If you look right here, you reporters.

00:07:10.560 There you have it.

00:07:12.940 I think a brilliant outline of why the ruling to send Steve Bannon to jail is simply illegal and wrong.

00:07:22.940 But then, Troy, you broke shocking news last night.

00:07:27.360 David Schoen, the brilliant lawyer you just saw there, no longer represents Steve Bannon.

00:07:34.720 We learned yesterday that a new lawyer, someone named Trent McCotter, filed the emergency motion with the D.C. Court of Appeals,

00:07:46.440 saying essentially that the government wants to silence Steve Bannon in the months before the election and that he should be allowed to remain at liberty because of his advisory role to the former president in that period.

00:08:07.080 I'm not familiar with any formal advisory role, but having gone before the same D.C. Court of Appeals and having them sit on the gag order placed on me, which was unconstitutional,

00:08:22.260 while I suffered damage from CNN and MSNBC and the New York Times and the Washington Post, false accusations that I was a Russian traitor, which, of course, I could not respond to.

00:08:37.620 And then rather than make a decision, they sent it back to the trial court judge, saying that I had to first ask the judge who placed the gag order on me to remove it, which, of course, she never would have done.

00:08:53.100 So I pray that Mr. Bannon is successful, but my political instincts tell me that he will not be.

00:09:01.140 Your thoughts?

00:09:02.060 Well, Roger, this, I would, you know, just reviewing things, David Schoen is one of the most impressive lawyers that I've ever seen in action.

00:09:10.720 I think his work on the Trump impeachment was masterful, and I think it's a big mistake for Bannon to, or basically for these two to part ways.

00:09:19.820 And I think it speaks to the level of persecution that's going on in this court, Roger.

00:09:25.380 You know, you just heard a very coherent argument from David Schoen that is totally based in law, totally based in constitutionality, totally based in truth.

00:09:34.040 And yet there was no success in this case.

00:09:36.940 And I think it speaks to the idea that this is not your typical, this is not your mom and dad's or your grandparents' courtroom.

00:09:44.560 This is a different kind of courtroom, and they don't care about legality.

00:09:49.540 They don't care about having, you know, precedent or having a basis to persecute the political enemies of the state.

00:09:56.220 They're just going to do it.

00:09:57.800 And, you know, it's just a, it's an interesting situation.

00:10:00.500 But I think for Steve Bannon, getting rid of David Schoen, who I believe is one of the most talented attorneys in the country, I think it's a mistake.

00:10:08.560 But also you look at it, Roger, and you say, well, you have the best guy, he gives the best argument, and you don't get anything out of it.

00:10:14.820 It's kind of a can't win situation, a situation that you yourself have been through.

00:10:18.960 So you understand just about better than anybody.

00:10:21.660 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:10:23.260 Schoen told me in an interview that he spent 20 hours on his brief to the judge five minutes into his presentation.

00:10:32.740 The judge essentially cut him off and then handed a 94-page written opinion, which remanded Bannon to prison, clearly never even taking into consideration any of Schoen's arguments, and inconsistent with everything the judge had said on the record in the case up until that point.

00:10:56.280 Really, really shocking.

00:10:57.660 We're going to be keeping an eye on this story and to bring you the latest developments.

00:11:04.340 Let's go now to our guest.

00:11:07.120 We're very pleased to have Sheriff Richard Mack, who is the president of the Constitutional, let me get this exactly right, the Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officers Association.

00:11:18.900 Sheriff Mack is here to discuss what solutions that citizens have available that are both peaceful and legal to establish order and justice in our nation.

00:11:31.960 Sheriff Mack, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:11:36.360 It's a privilege to be with you again, Roger.

00:11:39.060 We've met a few times as we've been touring the country, and thank you so much for having me.

00:11:45.260 I appreciate it.

00:11:46.000 We're very pleased to have you.

00:11:48.900 I am one of those.

00:11:49.720 By the way, wait, wait, wait, but wait, I got to tell you, you left off one of the victims.

00:11:56.580 There you go.

00:11:58.020 I have to tell you what happened to me.

00:11:59.860 I was in law enforcement for about 20 years, and I lost my third election in Arizona when I sued the Clinton administration.

00:12:10.860 It became quite controversial.

00:12:12.420 I became a big fish in a small pond.

00:12:14.480 I never asked for that.

00:12:16.000 But I was the first sheriff to launch a major lawsuit against the federal government, and literally, I sued the Clintons and beat them at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:12:25.300 And the real miracle with that is I lived to tell about it.

00:12:28.960 So I lost my race in 1996, and in 1997, about eight, nine months later, I won the case at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:12:43.800 And luckily and miraculously, the blessings from heaven is that six other sheriffs joined me in this lawsuit.

00:12:53.100 And ultimately, that guaranteed us a trip to the Supreme Court.

00:12:57.980 So Sheriff Prince from Montana and I were at the Supreme Court in 1996.

00:13:02.940 Justice Scalia wrote the decision.

00:13:05.400 I have a little review of the case in my hand right here that's available at my website at cspoa.org.

00:13:12.220 But the point is this.

00:13:14.080 I started my police career up in Utah.

00:13:17.300 And so I decided, after I lost my third election in Arizona, that I would move back to Utah and win with this Supreme Court victory on my hip.

00:13:29.100 But I thought that one of the most conservative counties in America, Utah County, would love to have me as their sheriff.

00:13:37.860 And indeed, it was going very well.

00:13:39.620 I won the convention two to one, the Utah County Convention, two to one over my opponent.

00:13:46.240 And he was the incumbent.

00:13:48.240 Both of us in every public meeting said that it was extremely close.

00:13:52.620 The newspaper said it was extremely close.

00:13:55.280 So what happened?

00:13:56.180 The FBI and IRS raided my office three days before the election.

00:14:03.820 And they were really after a man who was a client of mine.

00:14:09.120 I had several different clients at that time for the work I was doing.

00:14:12.900 And they put my name on the search warrant that was aimed at him.

00:14:17.380 And then they put in the newspaper the biggest headline that you could ever see.

00:14:24.420 Physically, it would not be possible to get a bigger headline than what they said.

00:14:30.040 Mack raided by the FBI.

00:14:32.960 Well, all of the undecided votes went with my opponent.

00:14:36.680 I lost by over 20%.

00:14:39.000 And then, guess what?

00:14:43.320 I never heard from the FBI or the IRS again.

00:14:47.180 No indictments, no interviews, no courts, no judges, no nothing.

00:14:52.840 They never came back.

00:14:54.500 They got what they wanted.

00:14:56.420 And I haven't served a day in law enforcement since that time.

00:15:00.940 And so we have to see, look at this.

00:15:04.380 I won the case in June of 1997.

00:15:08.340 In June of 1998, when I'm running for sheriff in Utah County, is the very time they went after me.

00:15:16.840 One year, almost to the day, that I beat the federal government at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:15:22.480 And here's their retribution and their vengeance per the FBI and IRS.

00:15:28.980 So I've seen their tactics.

00:15:32.840 My father was an FBI agent.

00:15:34.820 My cousin was a deputy director of the FBI.

00:15:37.300 I've been around the FBI my whole life.

00:15:39.940 I went to the FBI National Academy.

00:15:41.960 And I know these crooks.

00:15:43.720 And they have gotten 10 times worse since then.

00:15:47.400 And going after you and going after Steve and the president and the J6ers. 1.00

00:15:54.280 Do you know what?

00:15:55.640 I believe that the federal government is so lawless.

00:16:00.100 When they went after all the J6 arrestees and arrested them, 1.00

00:16:05.660 you know, not one time, Roger, not once, did any of them ever go through the proper channels

00:16:12.980 through the governor's office to do extradition on these people.

00:16:17.620 They just went and grabbed them and look at the Constitution.

00:16:20.940 It's from one jurisdiction to another.

00:16:22.860 And the FBI broke the law in every single one of those arrests.

00:16:30.180 Really extraordinary.

00:16:32.000 We have a degree of lawlessness in this administration that is unlike anything I've seen in 45 years in American politics.

00:16:42.160 And you have something in common, the FBI raid on your home.

00:16:48.480 Did they find any evidence that was later used in court in that raid?

00:16:53.120 They didn't have any evidence on me.

00:16:57.360 And about six weeks later, I guess I have to say, oh, I did hear from them once.

00:17:03.160 Six weeks later, they brought back boxes of papers that they had taken out of my desk. 1.00

00:17:08.780 And so, yeah, I mean, it was so stupid. 0.99

00:17:13.040 And it's obvious what they did. 1.00

00:17:16.420 They knew they didn't have any evidence on me.

00:17:19.140 They knew they didn't collect any evidence on me.

00:17:21.700 They got exactly what they wanted.

00:17:23.760 They could have waited till the day of the election or the day after the election.

00:17:28.280 And I even asked them why.

00:17:29.600 I said, look, the warrant says you had two weeks to serve this.

00:17:33.540 And you chose the day that would do me the most harm.

00:17:37.180 And I wouldn't have the time to respond or to do any damage control.

00:17:42.300 And so the FBI goes, well, we don't do things for politics.

00:17:44.940 And I said, listen, I've been around the FBI my whole life.

00:17:48.940 So let's try to be up front with each other here.

00:17:51.700 And don't blow any smoke up my backside, OK?

00:17:55.560 Because I know why you did this.

00:17:57.180 And I know why you picked the date that you picked.

00:18:00.100 And that was the last time I ever saw him or anybody else except some clerk that brought

00:18:05.940 me back a box of my papers.

00:18:08.360 That was it.

00:18:09.120 Yeah, it sounds to me like a classic example of election interference.

00:18:16.080 In my case, of course, my lawyers provided the special counsel, Robert Mueller's office,

00:18:22.660 30 pages of text messages.

00:18:23.820 We're frozen.

00:18:24.380 Which confirmed that Randy Credico was, in fact, the source of what little information I had

00:18:33.600 about the WikiLeaks disclosures.

00:18:37.340 They could have told my lawyers at that time that I should simply turn myself in.

00:18:42.660 And I had no previous record.

00:18:44.960 I'm not a danger.

00:18:46.340 I certainly wasn't a flight risk.

00:18:48.380 By the way, I didn't have a valid passport.

00:18:50.700 Don't own a gun.

00:18:52.140 But no, they had to stage a $1.1 million taxpayer-funded raid in my home for the benefit of the CNN cameras,

00:19:02.680 who just, as you know, totally coincidentally, just happened to be there on a hunch.

00:19:09.200 Right.

00:19:09.780 Oh, they notified him.

00:19:10.920 There's no question.

00:19:11.680 They notified him.

00:19:12.660 Just like they notified him in my case.

00:19:15.560 And then, of course, after I went to the FBI booking station, my wife, for the next 13 hours,

00:19:22.340 was forced to sit in the corner at gunpoint as they basically trashed my home,

00:19:28.020 finding no evidence whatsoever of Russian collusion.

00:19:31.860 And I have no recourse, by the way.

00:19:35.220 They destroyed my computers.

00:19:36.940 They cut the cords on my microphones.

00:19:39.280 They smashed my video cameras.

00:19:42.100 All of this very clearly to silence me.

00:19:45.660 But they failed because, well, the good Lord delivered me.

00:19:50.200 So, Troy, let's go to the larger mission here, because I'm a great believer in the sheriffs.

00:19:56.460 How can the sheriffs across this country and the other peace officers help us get equal protection under the law and law and order?

00:20:06.280 Well, you know, that's the $10,000 question.

00:20:11.060 And I've been working on that for the past 20, 25 years.

00:20:15.020 I formed the CSPOA, Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.

00:20:20.100 And every citizen can join that organization.

00:20:23.060 And we have the CSPOA posse, which is for Americans. 0.56

00:20:26.380 And listen, every one of you Americans across this country, if you think we're going to restore our Constitution and the American Republic without you involved, no, it's never going to happen.

00:20:41.200 And you have got to get involved.

00:20:43.140 You've got to get a relationship with your sheriff.

00:20:45.640 And we take back America county by county and state by state. 0.61

00:20:50.460 And so the point to your question, is there a way to do this lawfully and peacefully?

00:20:57.880 And yes, there is absolutely.

00:21:00.100 For instance, there's been sheriffs that have stood up to the federal government all across this country.

00:21:05.540 When I was sheriff, when I was already suing the Clinton administration, the Army Corps of Engineers and EPA came into our county and warned our county supervisors, our county commissioners, that they could not repair a bridge after a flood until they had all conducted their environmental impact studies.

00:21:27.560 This bridge had been there for decades.

00:21:29.500 And it had just washed out a little bit, and there was a little bit of a problem that could take a day, day and a half to fix.

00:21:36.100 We weren't putting in a new bridge.

00:21:38.240 We were simply, we weren't even dredging the river.

00:21:41.100 It was the Gila River.

00:21:42.600 And they think they own the river.

00:21:45.700 It's not theirs. 0.96

00:21:46.660 It belongs to Arizona and the people of Arizona.

00:21:49.420 And so after a while, it took 10 months, and the federal government still hadn't done their studies and all their red tape.

00:21:59.500 So finally, the county commissioners were getting so much heat from the farmers and ranchers that needed that road open, that bridge open, that they finally just succumbed to the pressure politically from our citizens.

00:22:10.400 And they voted unanimously, all three of them, to fix the bridge.

00:22:15.380 Well, then the Army Corps of Engineers and EPA threatened to arrest our county commissioners.

00:22:23.360 And see, I'm not involved in fixing bridges.

00:22:27.040 But once the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers threatened to arrest our county commissioners, then I got involved.

00:22:33.480 And I didn't even like these guys this much.

00:22:35.460 They were wimps.

00:22:36.320 And I couldn't believe that they actually have the courage to do this because they didn't support me when I was suing the Clinton administration at all.

00:22:43.720 And they're just, you know, they just try to go along to get along.

00:22:46.280 But I was proud of them for taking this stand.

00:22:49.320 And so I told them, I brought the Army Corps of Engineers and EPA into my office.

00:22:54.040 And they also threatened to charge us $35,000 a day.

00:22:58.600 This is in 1995.

00:23:01.040 And they're going to charge $35,000 a day for every day that they're in violation, plus arrest them, and plus arrest the maintenance workers.

00:23:12.780 So I called them in and I said, listen, I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm already suing the Clinton administration.

00:23:18.360 They go, yeah, we know.

00:23:19.640 And I said, look, you're not arresting anybody in my county.

00:23:22.220 If you try to arrest anybody, I will arrest you for impersonating an officer.

00:23:27.300 You have no authority to make those arrests here.

00:23:30.140 And you're not peace officers.

00:23:32.580 And so this is not going to happen.

00:23:35.360 And so I guess, you know, they kind of hum-hawed then, you know, and didn't say much.

00:23:39.740 They left town the next day.

00:23:41.980 We fixed the bridge.

00:23:43.440 Nobody went to jail.

00:23:44.640 We didn't pay a dime in fines.

00:23:46.040 And the people of the county were served, albeit very late because of the federal government getting in the way.

00:23:52.280 And we've had numerous incidents like this.

00:23:55.840 And every time a sheriff has stood up either to federal or state bureaucrats, they win.

00:24:03.540 They have won every time.

00:24:05.060 And I could give you numerous incidences.

00:24:07.220 Sheriff Brad Rogers in Eckhart County did it.

00:24:09.220 Sheriff Clark, David A. Clark Jr., did it in Milwaukee, standing against local officials and the governor and the mayor and the chief of police of Milwaukee when he told every citizen to be armed, to be trained, and to be ready.

00:24:26.260 And we had Sheriff Nick Finch do it in Liberty County, Florida.

00:24:30.540 We still had sheriffs doing it. 0.99

00:24:32.240 And there were sheriffs who've done it in Utah and in Idaho and Texas.

00:24:36.940 And all we need now is to get hundreds, if not thousands, of sheriffs to unite in that holy cause to prevent the federal government's oppression and their abuse and their tyranny.

00:24:50.460 And this is what we've got to do within the next three months.

00:24:55.020 And we're trying to raise money to have this national convention so that we can get going on these sheriffs, making sure that we're having safe and secure and integrous elections this year.

00:25:07.340 And also that we erect the barriers, as Madison said, against the encroachments of the national authority.

00:25:15.020 Well, it's more than encroachments now, Mr. Madison.

00:25:18.060 It's downright tyranny and abuse and criminality.

00:25:21.980 Troy, do you have a question for Sheriff Mack?

00:25:27.560 Absolutely, Sheriff.

00:25:28.620 We went through just the 2019 or the 2020 COVID pandemic, and I think that demonstrated to people how powerful the sheriff is and how important it is to their everyday life.

00:25:38.140 Can you describe the process that took place for constitutional sheriffs during COVID-19?

00:25:43.720 I mean, these sheriffs were actually able to protect people from mandates and lockdowns, weren't they?

00:25:49.080 They did.

00:25:49.660 I'm glad you know that.

00:25:51.680 Excellent question.

00:25:53.200 First of all, my Supreme Court case addresses your question.

00:25:57.860 Let me tell you what Scalia said.

00:26:00.340 And again, this is a highlighted version of my Supreme Court case.

00:26:04.540 Every citizen should have this in their pocket.

00:26:06.360 This is such a freedom.

00:26:09.440 This is the most powerful 10th Amendment decision, state, sovereignty, and local autonomy decision in the history of America.

00:26:17.940 Folks, go to CSPOA.org, become a member of our posse, and start passing these around to local politicians so that they know what the Supreme Court said,

00:26:28.380 written by one of the best Supreme Court justices ever in American history, Justice Antonin Scalia.

00:26:36.180 Get this quote.

00:26:38.320 We have held, however, that state legislatures are not subject to federal direction.

00:26:45.220 The federal government we held may not compel the states to enact or enforce a federal regulatory program.

00:26:53.720 What do you think the CDC mandates were regarding COVID?

00:26:57.560 Those were exactly federal regulatory programs.

00:27:03.760 No sheriff has to do that.

00:27:05.140 No state has to do that.

00:27:06.880 The states are not subject to federal direction.

00:27:09.980 Actually, lawfully, they're subject to ours.

00:27:13.240 Now, let me show you one other thing here.

00:27:16.660 Scalia quotes the Federalist Papers.

00:27:19.960 And right here, he quotes Federalist 51.

00:27:22.380 It's documented.

00:27:23.340 Federalist 51.

00:27:24.140 Hence, a double security arises to the rights of the people.

00:27:29.940 How does that double security arise to the rights of the people?

00:27:33.440 And then he says why?

00:27:35.440 Because, quote, the different governments will control each other.

00:27:42.320 Those different governments are in the cities and the counties and the states who have the obligation to put up the stop sign to the federal government and its bureaucrats who think that they are the judge of their own authority.

00:27:57.560 Well, the ultimate judge of their authority is your county sheriff.

00:28:02.260 And he says he can tell them beyond these bounds, you shall not enter.

00:28:07.920 And so the main thing that we want to get the sheriffs to do this year is unitedly sign a declaration to the federal and state bureaucrats who are mostly federal and tell them, do not come in my county unless you check with me.

00:28:22.160 And Mar-a-Lago should have been stopped by local sheriff.

00:28:27.340 Governor DeSantis should have not said, well, I'll pardon Trump.

00:28:30.540 No, he should have said, I'm not going to allow this kind of political criminality to happen in my state.

00:28:37.240 And the sheriff should have done the same thing.

00:28:39.280 And they should have done the same thing for you, Roger, and for many of the other victims that have been criminalized by our wonderful two-tier system of justice in Washington, D.C.

00:28:55.280 It is so corrupt there that I can't believe it.

00:28:58.820 And not only that, if God doesn't strike Washington, D.C. down, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

00:29:06.920 And so to make sure that your question is answered, the sheriffs of this country during COVID stood against the mandates.

00:29:16.740 They stood against some of their own governors.

00:29:18.740 Sheriff Mark Lamb out in Arizona stood against his friend, a Republican governor.

00:29:26.160 He's a Republican.

00:29:27.180 And he said, we're not doing those here.

00:29:28.980 We're not arresting people for this.

00:29:31.140 We're not closing people down.

00:29:33.020 If they want to, that's up to them.

00:29:35.720 But that's what America is about.

00:29:37.940 Then let me give one other tremendous example.

00:29:41.060 This was a horrible situation in Florida when Sheriff Cronister in Tampa arrested Pastor Rodney Howard Brown, who has a mega church there.

00:29:53.100 I've been there since then.

00:29:54.520 I've met him.

00:29:55.820 He is a wonderful man and a wonderful pastor.

00:29:58.500 He was arrested for having church in the United States of America.

00:30:03.520 Come on.

00:30:04.800 And so he was arrested.

00:30:07.260 On the other hand, this is a tell of two sheriffs, the tell of two cities.

00:30:12.280 So Sheriff Hamilton in Sevier County, New Mexico, was contacted by Pastor Caleb Cooper.

00:30:20.760 And he told the sheriff, I'm not going to shut down.

00:30:25.160 This is God's church.

00:30:26.740 It's not run by the government.

00:30:28.780 And I'm going to keep it open.

00:30:30.600 What will you do to protect me?

00:30:32.360 Do you know what Sheriff Hamilton said?

00:30:33.840 If I have to go to jail myself to defend your right to stay open, then so be it.

00:30:41.200 And he stood by and he deputized a bunch of people inside the church.

00:30:47.140 And when they came to shut him down from the state, from the governor's office, he told them, we're having a sheriff's office meeting.

00:30:53.920 Stay out of here.

00:30:55.080 We're fine.

00:30:56.540 Guess who won?

00:30:57.800 Sheriff Hamilton.

00:30:58.660 Because he stood for what's right, and he didn't back down, and he wasn't bluffing, and that's all we need.

00:31:06.720 Now, I want to ask you, I want to ask every sheriff, and I want to ask every citizen, which sheriff do you want in your county?

00:31:17.080 Sheriff?

00:31:17.500 Which sheriff are you?

00:31:18.440 We have to take a stand.

00:31:20.960 We have to have the courage, and we must emulate the founders in preserving our Constitution, just like we already promised to do in solemn oath when we took our jobs.

00:31:33.060 All right.

00:31:33.880 I want to thank Sheriff Richard Mack for joining us today.

00:31:37.640 Excellent presentation on what the sheriffs can do to help preserve justice and law and order in this country.

00:31:45.340 Sheriff, thank you so much for joining us here on the Stone Zone, and God bless you.

00:31:52.940 Thank you so much.

00:31:55.880 All right, folks, a quick message for you.

00:32:01.460 Do you remember several months ago when the AT&T cell phone system went down?

00:32:07.140 I certainly do, because, well, I was one of those affected.

00:32:11.660 Millions of people were unable to get through a cell phone call to reach loved ones or business associates or even for emergency services.

00:32:22.020 That's because the cellular tower system is extraordinarily vulnerable, vulnerable to hackers, vulnerable to terrorists, vulnerable to adverse weather conditions such as hurricanes.

00:32:37.880 They are unreliable.

00:32:39.020 What if, as Colonel John Mills said on this show a week ago, terrorists were to close down the entire electrical power grid?

00:32:50.720 Entirely possible, he says, based on his experience and knowledge.

00:32:55.860 Well, not only would you have no Internet, no cell phones, no air conditioning, no heat, no refrigeration for your food, how will you communicate in that instance?

00:33:10.740 The answer is the Iridium 9555 phone and the Iridium cellular, pardon me, satellite system.

00:33:23.120 You see, the Iridium 9555 phone uses a proprietary satellite system to deliver crisp, clear, encrypted, both phone service and text service.

00:33:38.440 Your phone will literally work any place in America, any place in the world, that you can see the sky.

00:33:47.280 That's why the U.S. government, including the U.S. Senate and the military, rely on this style of satellite phones and this kind of satellite system.

00:33:57.520 You actually get the Iridium 9555 phone for absolutely free when you sign up for a 24-month service package that gives you access to the satellite.

00:34:13.240 That is a low, low $95.95 a month.

00:34:19.300 We actually have some plans that are a little less expensive.

00:34:23.160 We also have a plan for your entire family.

00:34:25.940 They can be on your satellite feed, and you can get up to three free phones.

00:34:32.780 So for peace of mind, to never, no matter what happens, be out of touch, to always have completely protected, entirely encrypted phone calls and text messages, which cannot be monitored, cannot be eavesdropped on, cannot be hacked.

00:34:51.980 And, by the way, there's no danger of big tech, taking your information and selling it.

00:34:58.820 Go to sat123.com slash roger.

00:35:05.620 sat123.com slash roger.

00:35:08.820 And find out about your Iridium 9555 phone and the Iridium satellite phone service.

00:35:17.680 You'll be glad you did.

00:35:20.580 All right, Troy, this is my favorite part of the show.

00:35:24.620 You monitor politics overnight, kind of tell us what's going on.

00:35:29.700 You wrote the story about Steve Bannon parting company with David Schoen.

00:35:35.980 To my mind, perhaps the most brilliant criminal defense lawyer, by the way, specifically an appeals attorney, to change the legal teams.

00:35:46.980 Steve's entitled to do that.

00:35:48.520 We wish him the best.

00:35:50.100 But what else happened overnight that we need to know about?

00:35:52.880 Well, Roger, just very quickly, I wanted to point out that Apple overnight became the most valuable, once again, tech company in the world after they announced that they had implemented or they're going to implement OpenAI into their devices at an OS level.

00:36:08.680 So what that means is for all of you people out there with Apple phones, computers, iPads, everything you do now will be subject to a net, basically, of OpenAI.

00:36:19.080 And I realized we didn't really touch on this yesterday, Roger.

00:36:21.760 I want to just quickly explain this.

00:36:23.780 For people at home who may be saying, what is AI?

00:36:25.920 What does this mean?

00:36:26.640 What does it mean that it's being implemented at an OS level?

00:36:30.340 But you don't understand what AI is, Roger.

00:36:32.040 You know, you go to your chat GPT, you type something in.

00:36:34.700 Where does that answer come from?

00:36:36.020 But that answer comes from a computer that is basically has a data list that is going down the data list.

00:36:42.640 It's looking at Google.

00:36:43.760 It's looking at Facebook.

00:36:44.600 It's looking at every web page that it can find.

00:36:48.500 And it's putting together the best information that it could possibly put together.

00:36:52.800 Now, an AI's strength is determined by the data points which it finds its answers.

00:36:59.020 So the more data points you have, the more intimate information you have about people, the more truthful or better your AI is.

00:37:07.940 And people like Elon Musk have stated that open AI and some of the things going on in the larger AI world are being honed so quickly.

00:37:19.140 They're being implemented like in this Apple move so quickly that it's presenting a massive danger to the United States.

00:37:26.560 Because these things are, we don't know how these things are going to develop.

00:37:30.540 We don't know what is going to happen when we give someone like open AI access to billions of people's information through Apple devices.

00:37:40.740 I think, you know, it's not political, Roger.

00:37:43.140 It's more business.

00:37:44.320 But this will end up being one of the biggest stories of this year and maybe of the last decade because we are dangerously teetering into a space where there will be no security.

00:37:56.140 There will be no ability for people to have any kind of security.

00:38:01.580 This is basically an open book that Apple is bringing into the tech world.

00:38:06.380 It's a massive problem and it needs to be talked about more.

00:38:09.000 I believe we're the only really ones in the political world that are talking about this right now.

00:38:13.280 And it needs to be echoed throughout because this is a massive, massive security concern.

00:38:18.800 I know we cut you short yesterday when you were trying to explain this.

00:38:22.380 I'm glad we had the opportunity to do it.

00:38:25.940 I've been watching it on X, but I confess until this moment, I really didn't understand the issues involved.

00:38:34.900 So thank you for that.

00:38:37.380 Yesterday seemed to be a bad day for Nancy Pelosi as videotape actually surfaced, I believe, shot by her own daughter's film crew, in which she admitted that she had not provided the National Guard on January 6th as she should have.

00:38:55.540 But Kash Patel particularly has proven with documentation that there was an offer by President Trump to Mayor Bowser of D.C.

00:39:07.260 and to Speaker Pelosi to provide the National Guard protection for the Capitol, and it was denied.

00:39:15.040 Pelosi has lied about this now for almost three, a little more than three years.

00:39:21.880 But the truth finally came out.

00:39:24.320 Let's take a look at the video.

00:39:25.880 We have responsibility, Terry.

00:39:28.160 We did not have any accountability for what was going on there, and we should have. 0.93

00:39:34.880 This is ridiculous.

00:39:36.140 You're going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they've already breached the inaugural stuff that should we call the Capitol Police? 0.93

00:39:48.200 I mean, the National Guard?

00:39:50.200 Why weren't the National Guard there to begin with?

00:39:54.700 They thought that they had sufficient resources.

00:39:56.700 No, that is not a question of how they had breached.

00:39:58.840 They don't know.

00:40:00.640 They clearly didn't know, and I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more.

00:40:08.820 Really stunning footage.

00:40:11.060 I mean, it seems to me, since the Democrats intend to run on January 6th, and they just refuse to accept any narrative, particularly some of the excellent work done over at Revolver.News, for example, the heroic efforts of Tucker Carlson, many others, to expose what really happened that day.

00:40:35.400 The FBI director can't answer how many FBI undercover agents were in the crowd.

00:40:42.580 The whole thing stinks.

00:40:44.480 But the mainstream media continues to adhere to this false narrative.

00:40:49.800 They had an illegally constituted congressional committee investigate this.

00:40:54.800 They tampered with the evidence.

00:40:56.700 They manipulated at least two videos of me that were pasted together to give a false impression.

00:41:05.400 Cassidy Hutchinson, their star witness, perjured herself multiple times, said specifically that President Donald Trump instructed his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to call Roger Stone and General Flynn on the afternoon or evening of the 5th to, as Liz Cheney helpfully interposed, quote, find out what was going to happen on January 6th.

00:41:34.040 So, no phone call ever took place.

00:41:37.400 I have never communicated at all with Mark Meadows, not by email, not by text, not by phone, not in person, other than the fact that I met him once in a green room at Fox when he was a congressman.

00:41:50.840 That's the extent of it.

00:41:52.440 I've checked with General Flynn.

00:41:54.000 He's also never communicated with Mark Meadows, specifically not on January 5th.

00:41:59.780 So, that was a perjurous lie.

00:42:03.220 Then Cassidy Hutchinson went on to say that she had dissuaded Meadows from attending a meeting at a war room at the Willard Hotel.

00:42:15.720 Well, as three different sources have confirmed for The Willard Hotel, if there was a war room in the Willard Hotel, I was unaware of it, and I was never in it.

00:42:29.160 But according to Hutchinson, Meadows called Stone and Flynn to get a debrief on the meeting in the war room, a meeting that neither one of us attended or had any knowledge of.

00:42:42.820 That is straight-up perjury.

00:42:45.500 She has sought to amend her remarks, which is normally done with punctuation and grammar and so on, but usually not a change of substance.

00:42:57.400 Cassidy Hutchinson conducted serious crimes in the made-for-television hearings of the January 6th committee, who, despite what they say, destroyed all their records in the aftermath, so we cannot see how they manipulated information with this political drama.

00:43:18.780 Well, and Roger, it's important to point out, who was doing the film?

00:43:22.100 Do you know who was doing the filming of Nancy Pelosi on that day?

00:43:25.080 Do you know?

00:43:25.420 I thought I'd read that it was her own daughter.

00:43:28.960 It was her daughter.

00:43:30.200 Exactly.

00:43:30.860 So my question is, we're just seeing this now, was it her daughter that recorded that video?

00:43:35.980 And additionally, what else?

00:43:38.080 I mean, we have people, Roger, who have been in solitary confinement, who have been starved, beaten, put through the worst political persecution we've ever seen in the United States over this and over the January 6th committee hearings.

00:43:49.320 Why wasn't this video played?

00:43:51.000 Why weren't they talking about this?

00:43:52.220 And additionally, what else does Nancy Pelosi's daughter have in terms of footage that would highlight this play, this ploy, the obvious lies that took place surrounding January 6th?

00:44:04.080 You know, we're sitting in a situation where Peter Navarro is in prison.

00:44:07.280 They're trying to send Steve Bannon to prison over subpoenas from this January 6th committee.

00:44:12.580 Meanwhile, we have footage being leaked from the daughter of Nancy Pelosi admitting that she's the one that felt responsible for January 6th.

00:44:20.140 She's the one that takes responsibility for what happened on that day.

00:44:24.540 So we need to see subpoenas on Nancy Pelosi's daughter.

00:44:28.220 And the fact that we haven't already seen that, the fact that that was not even raised as a question, that they just allowed Nancy Pelosi to basically cherry pick the damning parts of the footage to show, speaks to the kangaroo court nature, I think, of this committee, Roger.

00:44:44.520 And we know they didn't have a ranking member of a different party.

00:44:48.220 You know, they didn't they didn't even set the thing up right in the first place.

00:44:50.860 But now we know that there's damning footage because we just saw it of Nancy Pelosi making stunning admissions during January 6th.

00:44:59.040 I said we need to see all the footage.

00:45:00.880 We need to see every single piece of this footage.

00:45:03.480 And we need to get to the bottom of exactly what happened on that day.

00:45:06.760 Maybe Nancy Pelosi's daughter has some footage that can give us insight into, I don't know, FBI involvement in the day, intelligence agencies involvement in the day.

00:45:17.640 Perhaps the fact that she knowingly and willingly denied 10,000 National Guard troops who were put put on the table by President Donald Trump, who realized that there would be millions of people there.

00:45:30.760 Roger, there's so much to this that's revealed by the idea that we have footage out there of Pelosi that just has not been seen.

00:45:38.400 And we need to get to the bottom of that, especially with people currently serving prison sentences for what happened.

00:45:45.440 Now, I want to get your reaction, Roger, because Pelosi, of course, went into a full blown cover up mode just after this.

00:45:52.820 She appeared on MSNBC denying that that clip is real.

00:45:57.520 And I think really panic setting because you realize, look, the daughter filmed this.

00:46:02.800 The daughter obviously has a lot more footage of Pelosi that's pretty damning.

00:46:06.880 What else does she have and how can we get access to it?

00:46:09.480 Let's roll that clip and get Roger's reaction on the other side.

00:46:12.940 Why do you think this is stirred up and a brouhaha on the right and in some corners of the media today?

00:46:20.120 Well, because of the the fact is that the president of the United States, the former president and his toadies do not want to face the facts.

00:46:32.900 They're trying to do revisionist history on January 6th.

00:46:37.120 But we cannot let us be dragged into their, again, false impression of what happened that day.

00:46:47.220 They know what happened that day.

00:46:49.280 They know how serious it is and was and continues to have an impact on our country.

00:46:55.400 And yet they want to call the people who were in there hostages.

00:47:01.200 Notice how she didn't answer the question.

00:47:05.200 Look, the American people know what happened.

00:47:08.740 Nancy, you know what happened.

00:47:11.820 Well, the real disappointment is in Speaker Mike Johnson for not appointing a committee to investigate the January 6th committee investigation.

00:47:20.900 That's the only way we would get to the bottom of this.

00:47:23.500 If Nancy Pelosi's daughter still has footage, my guess is it has been destroyed by now.

00:47:31.160 Why was it?

00:47:31.980 Why would Nancy Pelosi's daughter even have a film crew at the Capitol on that day? 0.99

00:47:37.300 What was she hoping to record?

00:47:39.880 Look, the evidence here is overwhelming.

00:47:44.020 I think anybody who doesn't get their news from CNN or MSNBC gets it.

00:47:49.680 And that was Nancy Pelosi avoiding the question.

00:47:52.560 Is she claiming that that tape is not her?

00:47:56.520 Is she claiming that it was AI generated?

00:47:59.120 I mean, that's actually possible.

00:48:00.620 I've experienced that myself, but not as well done as that.

00:48:05.020 No, she doesn't deny it.

00:48:06.980 She tries to change the subject.

00:48:09.960 The bottom line remains the same.

00:48:11.900 Donald Trump offered her National Guard troops and she and Mir Bowser denied them.

00:48:17.800 That's a fact.

00:48:18.740 MSNBC can say as many times as they want that it's not, but it is.

00:48:24.080 You can always tell when the talent on MSNBC is lying.

00:48:28.240 You know how?

00:48:29.200 Their lips are moving.

00:48:31.100 Like the other day when Chris Matthews, remember him? 0.96

00:48:33.740 The guy fired for being a sexual predator, said that if Donald Trump is elected, people are going to be put up in front of firing squads.

00:48:42.260 When did Trump ever say that? 0.80

00:48:43.620 What evidence is there of that?

00:48:46.400 Or yesterday, AOC and her crocodile tears saying, oh, if Trump is elected, I'll be thrown in jail.

00:48:53.600 Well, only if you were charged and convicted with some real crime and found guilty by a jury, which I don't think is likely.

00:49:02.220 So this is a scare tactic.

00:49:04.800 Once again, it is Alinsky's rules.

00:49:08.940 Right now, even as we speak, they're trying to jail Donald Trump.

00:49:12.820 They're trying to jail Steve Bannon.

00:49:14.660 They have successfully jailed Peter Navarro.

00:49:18.080 Who is it who is putting their political opponents in prison?

00:49:21.440 Why, it's Joe Biden and his weaponized justice system.

00:49:25.880 No, the coordinated Trump is on a revenge tour.

00:49:31.020 No, what Trump wants is equal protection under the law.

00:49:36.360 If John Brennan, for example, is charged and convicted of treason, and I believe a number of his actions during the Russian collusion hoax were treasonous,

00:49:46.520 and lawyers tell me that there is no statute of limitations on treason, then he should be charged and he should go to trial.

00:49:54.780 If he's acquitted, fine.

00:49:56.460 If he's not acquitted, then he should pay the penalty for his actions.

00:50:03.780 But this idea of revenge, no.

00:50:05.700 Well, I think the revenge Trump seeks is success, economic success, peace in the world, job opportunities, safe neighborhoods,

00:50:17.960 protection from the scourge of drugs.

00:50:20.740 Trump's revenge will be to return America to greatness, something Joe Biden quite clearly cannot do.

00:50:29.680 Well, exactly, Roger.

00:50:30.600 And yesterday, we broke the news here on The Stone Zone that Hunter Biden had been found guilty in his gun trial,

00:50:35.700 and we wrote an extensive piece about this.

00:50:38.220 Yesterday, I mentioned that there have been several precedents set across the country relating to drug users and gun ownership.

00:50:46.620 In that article that we published, the Slingshot News, people can go check that out.

00:50:50.120 We talked extensively about that, and there are links even to some of the cases across the country.

00:50:54.780 But right after that, Roger, we actually said it on the show, so a prediction came true.

00:51:01.160 Joe Biden held a speech at 1.30, just hours after the Hunter Biden verdict,

00:51:07.120 where he announced a kind of new gun control initiative where he's going to be trying to ban assault weapons.

00:51:13.380 I'd say they can't even really define assault weapons, so it doesn't really scare me the way that I think it's intended for them to scare the American people.

00:51:25.960 But let's roll a couple clips from Biden's speech.

00:51:29.220 Really tough time he had up there at the podium.

00:51:32.680 And additionally, he made his threat once again to the American people, Roger, that they're going to need F-15s to take on the government.

00:51:39.660 So you have a guy that's stealing elections, you have a guy that won the most fraudulent election of all time,

00:51:45.800 now behind the podium telling the American people, if you want to take me on, you better have F-15s. 0.99

00:51:51.880 And they have the balls to call Trump a tyrant with that going on. 0.95

00:51:55.140 Let's roll those two clips from Biden yesterday. 0.99

00:51:57.500 Who in God's name needs a magazine which can hold 200 shows?

00:52:02.740 Nobody, that's right.

00:52:04.180 I remember when I was campaigning when I was a senator going through the wetlands of Delaware,

00:52:09.360 to meet all the people who were most upset with me, the fishermen and the hunters.

00:52:14.220 And I came across a guy who was fishing, and he said,

00:52:16.280 you want to take my gun?

00:52:17.980 And I looked at him, I said, yeah, I don't want to take your gun,

00:52:20.700 you're allowed to have a gun, but I want to take away your ability to use an assault weapon.

00:52:24.760 And it wasn't, no, no, here, here, this is how the conversation went.

00:52:28.580 He said, what do you mean I need that gun?

00:52:30.320 And I said, guess what?

00:52:32.340 If you need 12 to 100 bullets in a gun, in a magazine,

00:52:36.200 you're the lousiest shot I've ever heard.

00:52:37.920 I'm serious.

00:52:46.460 And to his credit, he looked at me and said, you have a good point.

00:52:51.300 But think about it.

00:52:51.780 By the way, if they want to think to take on government if we get out of line,

00:52:56.180 which they're talking again about, well, guess what?

00:52:59.040 They need F-15s. 0.94

00:53:00.140 They don't need a rifle.

00:53:01.980 First of all, there is no talk about it.

00:53:05.600 That's manufactured.

00:53:07.880 Nobody's talking about an uprising in this country. 1.00

00:53:10.520 It would be idiotic. 0.99

00:53:12.820 We'd like to win the next election. 0.99

00:53:14.620 We'd like to change the direction of the country in a free, fair, honest, and transparent election.

00:53:20.020 But I could have heard that wrong.

00:53:21.720 I think the president of the United States just threatened to attack American citizens with U.S. aircraft.

00:53:29.180 Is that what I was hearing?

00:53:31.060 That's exactly what he did, Roger.

00:53:32.860 And they claim, oh, Trump, if he gets in, he's going to threaten the people.

00:53:37.940 He's going to break precedent.

00:53:39.000 He's not going to leave.

00:53:40.020 Meanwhile, their guy, who can't even string a sentence together, is up there threatening people with F-15s.

00:53:45.100 Pretty amazing stuff.

00:53:46.880 My question to you, Roger, is politically, who does that statement appeal to?

00:53:50.200 Do you think that there's really anybody out there that hears that and is like, wow, you know, he's threatening us with F-15s.

00:53:55.800 Thank God this guy's president.

00:53:58.300 It's very hard to believe.

00:54:00.140 Let's cover one final thing, and that is, of course, Hunter Biden's guilty verdict yesterday.

00:54:06.280 Where is his indictment for lobbying without registering?

00:54:09.900 If you read Paul Manafort's incredible book, he did almost two years of hard time for allegedly representing Ukraine and not registering as a foreign agent.

00:54:22.340 Hunter and his members of his family took millions and millions of dollars from China, from Russia, from Ukraine, from Romania, from Kazakhstan.

00:54:33.580 That's lobbying without registering.

00:54:35.740 Why hasn't he been charged with that?

00:54:37.200 People say, oh, Roger Stone and his wife evaded taxes.

00:54:41.120 No, we evaded not a single penny.

00:54:43.300 We reported every penny.

00:54:45.040 We simply don't have the ability to pay.

00:54:47.780 I don't have a sugar brother from Hollywood who will swoop in and pay my tax debt.

00:54:53.280 But Hunter Biden failed to report $10 million in income.

00:54:58.560 That's tax evasion.

00:55:00.260 And the U.S. attorney in Delaware let the statute of limitations on that expire.

00:55:05.660 So, as a federal judge said, when Hunter Biden's lawyers tried to point to my case saying that Hunter was being treated differently than I was, the judge said correctly, the cases are like apples and oranges.

00:55:21.540 So, if you're on Twitter today and you want to raise this, don't bother.

00:55:25.760 I got no break whatsoever.

00:55:28.080 If I got a break, the IRS would agree to some reduction in interest and penalty.

00:55:33.380 Because of the $2 million I owe them, all of it from 2006, only one quarter of that is past due taxes.

00:55:42.580 Three quarters of it is interest and penalties.

00:55:45.220 No, I will be forced to pay probably until the day I die.

00:55:51.420 The idea that I evaded taxes is false and defamatory.

00:55:56.040 The government has settled this case because they could find no evidence of those assertions.

00:56:01.980 But where I agree with those who say this gun charge is meant to distract us.

00:56:09.060 Where are the more serious charges against Hunter Biden?

00:56:13.540 A great piece by Paul Sperry in the New York Post about the millions of dollars that were transferred to members of the Biden family, appearingly to Joe Biden himself.

00:56:25.420 More than sufficient grounds for impeachment, in my opinion.

00:56:29.900 So, I don't know what will happen in Hunter's Texas tax trial.

00:56:34.740 I'm unfamiliar with the charges.

00:56:38.460 I haven't read the indictment yet.

00:56:39.740 But I'll be surprised if he gets time in Delaware.

00:56:44.880 Joe Biden has said that he will not pardon his son.

00:56:49.020 Let's see if that's his attitude after the election.

00:56:53.000 It is amazing that it took this long to get to trial.

00:56:58.360 But what's more amazing is the more significant crimes, which they haven't charged him with.

00:57:06.880 His lawyers sent me a threatening letter now twice saying, I can't talk about this case.

00:57:12.500 I have to raise the money to hire a Delaware attorney to fight those spurious claims.

00:57:18.500 This is a First Amendment issue.

00:57:20.220 Any assertion that I knew about his laptop, had his laptop, urged others to do some of that, that's entirely false.

00:57:29.380 That's a fiction.

00:57:30.940 What I know about his laptop, I read in the New York Post or in Breitbart News.

00:57:36.720 It's the first I heard of it.

00:57:38.280 Never had any discussions with Rudy Giuliani or anyone else about his laptop.

00:57:43.960 So it's a fishing expedition meant to pressure you from not criticizing Hunter publicly.

00:57:53.840 Yes, you can help me by going to stonedefensefund.com because I have to hire a Delaware lawyer to quash these baseless subpoenas.

00:58:05.560 Well, and Roger, that's exactly what they are.

00:58:09.640 They're baseless.

00:58:10.600 And, you know, the idea that we have Hunter Biden that's done all these things.

00:58:14.160 And keep in mind, you know, they say, oh, Roger Stone, you can't talk about this.

00:58:18.200 There's a organization that the Bidens are very well aware of because we just saw it was Haley Biden cursing out Garrett Ziegler of Marco Polo USA.

00:58:29.380 But they actually provide, I mean, I have a copy, millions of people, I mean, thousands of people have copies of the Hunter Biden laptop report.

00:58:39.020 And that information, I think this has to do really with the TikTok ban as well, Roger, because on TikTok and other social media platforms, the Hunter Biden laptop information has become widespread.

00:58:49.440 So the idea that they would sit there and tell anybody in this country, oh, you can't talk about this.

00:58:54.880 It's kind of like them saying, oh, Roger Stone, you knew about WikiLeaks, but you communicated with somebody weeks after the actual report had been released and had been talked about in basically every mainstream news outlet. 0.62

00:59:07.520 It's just ludicrous.

00:59:08.420 And it's used to go after people like you who they see as political opposition, I think.

00:59:12.860 You raised the important question of the Marco Polo Organization Laptop Report.

00:59:20.920 This is an extraordinary work where all of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop have been printed out and annotated.

00:59:29.660 Excellent work here by Garrett Ziegler and the folks at the nonprofit Marco Polo Organization.

00:59:38.140 You can get your copy.

00:59:39.580 I think they may be backordered, but you can still get your copy to download online or get the printed edition by going to Marco Polo USA dot org.

00:59:50.860 Marco Polo USA dot org.

00:59:53.880 Make a contribution when you go there, too.

00:59:56.960 The Marco Polo people have done extraordinary work to make public all of this now certified information.

01:00:05.180 I'm afraid we're out of time, folks.

01:00:06.680 So I want to thank you for joining us again on The Stone Zone and on behalf of my co-host, Troy Smith and myself.

01:00:14.460 God bless you and Godspeed.

01:00:16.980 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him.

01:00:25.760 Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 12, 2024

Can Steve Bannon Get Justice？ Roger Stone Discusses on The StoneZONE

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