The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

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00:00:25.100 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:00:28.520 People love him and respect him. Roger Stone.

00:00:31.300 Now, get him his own. It's the Stone Zone. Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:37.520 Joining me now is a good friend of mine, Captain Seth Ketchel,

00:00:42.880 who is a battlefield-level analytical, brings a battlefield-level analytical discipline

00:00:49.180 to one of the most contentious issues in the country, election integrity.

00:00:53.560 He is a former U.S. military intelligence captain, a veteran of Afghanistan, but he's also, in my opinion, one of the most recognized, incredible independent analysts investigating voter registration anomalies, election procedures, systematic vulnerabilities in your selection.

00:01:11.560 But the other thing he is excellent on is trends in being able to project where our politics is going.

00:01:18.720 He has a new book, which I highly recommend it to you, The American War on Election Corruption, which you should go out and get immediately.

00:01:27.440 It has a foreword by former Speaker Newt Gingrich.

00:01:32.140 It has a great cover.

00:01:33.740 Seth, welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:01:36.100 Roger, it's great to be back on with you.

00:01:38.020 And I will tell your audience that I am disappointed I did not make your best dressed list for 2025.

00:01:43.640 Well, you've heard of payola, haven't you?

00:01:45.640 No, not really.

00:01:46.360 I haven't looked at you in those terms, but I will reevaluate you for next year's awards.

00:01:53.340 You are someone who I have deep respect for in your analysts of the trends in voting and the anomalies in voting.

00:02:03.640 So a couple of things I wanted to ask you about that I'm very curious,

00:02:06.840 And that is, how is it possible that Donald Trump wins Wisconsin while the Republican Senate candidate in 2024 is going down narrowly?

00:02:18.140 How is it that Trump carries Arizona by the margin he does, but the Senate candidate, our mutual friend, Carrie Lake, goes down to a dirtbag?

00:02:30.660 How are those anomalies possible? Because that seems unlikely to me.

00:02:34.920 I think the 2024 election was similar to the 2020 election,

00:02:38.620 but when Trump made the catchphrase too big to rig, he meant that.

00:02:42.420 And I think that in Pennsylvania, you probably would have had a different result

00:02:45.420 had Trump not converted 100,000 or so voters that Harris probably expected to have camp.

00:02:51.360 But down ballot, once Trump had been declared the victor and all eyes were off the election,

00:02:56.320 that particular race you mentioned in Wisconsin flipped in the middle of the night.

00:03:00.360 At the end of counting time on election night, I remember specifically

00:03:03.560 seeing Trump ahead in which he comes by about four points,

00:03:06.640 which is where my numbers had him.

00:03:08.780 And, of course, over time, over a few hours,

00:03:10.940 Trump's lead went down below one point.

00:03:12.960 And with it, so did Eric Huffey's lead, and he lost,

00:03:15.600 and they didn't count a single vote again.

00:03:17.280 Yeah, I find both of those races to be enormously suspicious. 1.00

00:03:21.420 I mean, generally speaking, the idea that Joe Biden got 81 million votes

00:03:24.480 when he was essentially a diaper-wearing vegetable

00:03:29.860 for a good part of that campaign,

00:03:31.820 They kept him in the basement at his home in Delaware.

00:03:35.220 They would sometimes drive him 20 miles over the Pennsylvania border for a small meet and greet

00:03:41.040 so they could say he was doing a campaign event in the Keystone State.

00:03:46.400 Everybody, I think, on our side of the aisle gets wrapped up in, you know, algorithms

00:03:53.300 and the nuances of mail-in ballots, the integrity or lack thereof of the electronic voting machines.

00:04:03.240 But in a larger sense, wouldn't the SAVE Act in one swoop clean up a large segment of that election fraud

00:04:12.440 and irregularities that do take place?

00:04:16.160 Yes, I come to odds with people who are obsessed with machine voting or they're obsessed with mail-in ballots.

00:04:25.580 But the foundation of all the corruption in our elections is the voter registration system.

00:04:30.860 And the most nefarious act in voter registration is to implement automatic voter registration.

00:04:36.720 That wasn't a thing in the United States until 2015 when California and Oregon started pushing that through.

00:04:41.760 in the 2020 election joe biden won 18 out of 20 states that had automatic voter registration and

00:04:48.580 the edge was 243 electoral votes to nine yeah i had 90 percent of the electoral votes he needed

00:04:55.160 just because of automatic registration so that populates way more registrations than are possible

00:05:00.280 which are then outfitted with mail-in ballot requests or in the case of universal mail-in

00:05:04.540 voting all these registrations receive a ballot which are then harvested up over a very lengthy

00:05:09.160 early voting period well let's also make it clear at the same time the voting lists are not being

00:05:13.880 cleaned so last time i was in las vegas i gave a speech for the president at the end of the last

00:05:19.960 presidential campaign speaking of an event in las vegas a guy came up to me and he showed me five

00:05:25.240 ballots and they were all addressed to different people but all at the same address one of them

00:05:30.120 was addressed to him and i said what's this he said well these are all the mail-in ballots i've

00:05:34.200 received at my home i said well if you were a dishonest person you could cast every one of

00:05:38.520 of those for Donald Trump she said yeah but I'm not even going to cast this one I'm going to go

00:05:42.140 in and vote in person because I don't trust them and I said well that's the attitude I said these

00:05:46.540 other people he said well uh two of them uh these are all people who lived in my apartment before

00:05:51.320 me two of them I just are dead uh one of them has moved out of state and the other one is still in

00:05:56.620 the state but has moved to another location so it just says and that of course is a remnant of the

00:06:02.940 Mary Reid machine, which, you know, mandated that a ballot be mailed to every registered voter,

00:06:10.620 whether you ask for one or not. Well, Roger, the event that you came to in Washington, D.C. on the

00:06:16.220 19th of February, our election integrity summit, the gentleman that spoke a couple hours before

00:06:21.020 you, Dr. John Lott, I asked him specifically to come in to talk about his extensive research

00:06:26.100 on mail-in ballot fraud. And it's a really sad thing. We don't use a lot of the information we

00:06:32.300 can find openly available to our benefit 34 out of 47 european countries ban mail-in voting outright

00:06:39.460 and some of the ones that do allow it only allow it for overseas citizens so we're talking about

00:06:43.880 a couple thousand ballots mexico japan russia israel they all ban mail-in voting so why is it

00:06:50.220 our blue states are going the other direction i think you raise an excellent point so for example

00:06:55.620 the fact that 300 000 ballots essentially popped up at the detroit counting center in michigan at

00:07:01.920 three o'clock when the fact that they hadn't been folded and therefore had never been mailed that

00:07:06.000 that doesn't really matter does it no of course as long as it advances the democrat agenda of

00:07:10.760 when i mean they've been doing this in american elections for a long time in my book i point out

00:07:15.840 democrat operatives in 1864 trying to steal new york state for george mcclellan against

00:07:20.480 abraham lincoln by using fake signatures on absentee ballots yeah i mean when i when i went

00:07:25.900 to vote myself in the last election i was waiting in line and because i always try to to vote in

00:07:31.000 person, and a man in front of me stepped up and produced his ID and his address, and the

00:07:37.220 lady working, the temporary election worker beyond the desk said, well, I'm sorry, sir,

00:07:41.600 you already voted this morning.

00:07:43.080 He said, no, I didn't.

00:07:44.700 He says, oh, no, you voted, and she gave him a time.

00:07:48.700 And he said, let's say his name was John Smith, and he says, let me ask you a question.

00:07:51.900 Is there also a Rhonda Smith registered at the same address?

00:07:57.420 And the woman says, oh, yes, and she voted also.

00:07:59.960 He said, well, that's my mother.

00:08:00.820 She's been dead for 15 years. Welcome to Broward County, Florida, ladies and gentlemen, where dirty voter lists are the norm. 1.00

00:08:10.500 This claim by Governor Ron DeSantis that we run the gold standard of elections is just not true based on the myriad of problems.

00:08:20.760 Even when the boards of elections mail out a mail ballot, it has to be requested in an event that is undeliverable.

00:08:28.180 So in the primaries two years ago, 4,000 returned to the Lake County Board of Elections, and somebody, somebody cast those votes.

00:08:37.060 So it's a very corrupt system here, and you're right.

00:08:39.800 I think it all goes back to the voter lists.

00:08:42.300 And that's exactly why you don't see a lot of these states, almost all the states, including the red ones, cooperating with the DOJ and the orders to turn over voter rolls.

00:08:50.820 So I love the he puts boss tweed on the cover of his great new book, The American War on Election Corruption, The Crusade to Restore Trust in Voting.

00:09:03.600 Newt Gingrich wrote the wrote the forward. It's a terrific work. I'm only about a third into it, but it is also a great cover.

00:09:11.980 You say you have some concerns about the over the Texas Senate primary.

00:09:17.280 I am concerned about it, and I think it presents a combination of issues.

00:09:21.340 It presents a very serious political problem, number one, because it was a nasty primary.

00:09:26.760 I'm not one of these people that panics over Texas every two years,

00:09:29.940 but I think you've got one race that sticks out to people that is causing some concern,

00:09:34.320 and that would be Ted Cruz in 2018 and his re-election bid against Robert Francis Beto O'Rourke,

00:09:41.000 who came within three points of flipping that seat.

00:09:43.700 Now, Ted was a very lazy campaigner, in my opinion.

00:09:46.300 I think that he listened to some pretty bad advice,

00:09:49.480 and he was going for a blowout when he was barely winning.

00:09:52.240 But Ken Paxton got outspent big time.

00:09:55.440 Cornyn put $60 million in the race to harm him,

00:09:57.740 and I'm not so sure where Wesley Johnson's candidacy came from.

00:10:00.460 I think I have an idea.

00:10:02.000 But Cornyn really damaged Paxton,

00:10:05.240 who underperformed by at least 6.5 points, if not 10,

00:10:08.620 putting the president in a very difficult position.

00:10:10.500 Now, I think that there's leverage over the U.S. Senate and Cornyn,

00:10:15.060 and president soon senate leader soon to get the save act across but it doesn't sound like based

00:10:22.340 on the news today that that's going to happen so i almost wonder if we should just say uh the hell

00:10:27.500 with it and endorse paxton because he's a far better senate candidate and senator waiting to

00:10:31.740 happen uh it is uh i must say that in the 50 years i've been in american politics i have never seen

00:10:38.100 a more selfless act of ken paxton who could very well still win this senate seat in fact i would

00:10:43.400 argue might be well positioned to do so, to say, look, I'll give up my personal ambitions and my

00:10:48.440 candidacy if the Senate will simply end the filibuster and allow J.D. Vance to break the

00:10:54.780 tie to pass the SAVE Act, which the president correctly calls the SAVE America Act. It's really

00:10:59.420 not that controversial. It simply says that one has to be a qualified U.S. citizen to vote in a

00:11:04.500 federal election, and one needs to have a certain form of ID. These are perfectly reasonable

00:11:09.160 concepts we have 50 votes but because of an antiquated rule among gentlemen we don't have

00:11:17.140 the filibuster now the instant republicans lose control of the senate if they would if they do

00:11:21.220 they will end the filibuster and they will ram through some of those left-wing extremist

00:11:25.820 legislations you've ever seen we have a unique opportunity right now to save the country

00:11:30.720 by passing this vote and john thune i bet donald trump wishes if he had to guess again he had

00:11:38.540 supported rick scott to be the majority reader than john thune who thune who will not even uh

00:11:44.460 leave the senate in session so that trump may have recess appointments i mean there are many jobs

00:11:49.880 in the trump administration that are yet vacant or even worse still filled by biden quizlings

00:11:55.380 that have not been filled because the there's no process for confirmation if the uh if the senate

00:12:03.300 was kept technically in session, Trump would have the ability to make at least temporary

00:12:08.280 appointments so we could actually run the machinery of government. But of course,

00:12:14.600 they won't allow that. On top of this idea that both senators must agree on the choice of a U.S.

00:12:24.020 attorney, a U.S. attorney who might be in a position to investigate the corruption of, well,

00:12:28.980 those two U.S. senators, the so-called blue slip system, where a U.S. attorney has to have at least 0.96

00:12:36.260 the acquiescence of a Democrat senator in his state. All of Biden's appointments were duly

00:12:43.960 approved by Republican senators. He had the right to appoint his U.S. attorneys as horrible as some

00:12:48.680 of them were, but they have not given Donald Trump the same courtesy. In fact, they continue to

00:12:54.480 refuse to confirm his appointments. And I think that is hurting his administration. And you can't

00:13:01.640 sue because it's not a law. It's an antiquated custom. We've got to break the filibuster first. 1.00

00:13:06.560 I think that's next. You know, I think all roads lead back to the corruption of our elections

00:13:12.340 because you have the problem with not enough senators willing to get this across.

00:13:16.760 But you have the last three federal election cycles where if you restore these Republican

00:13:21.420 losses that we've already mentioned. My count is that since 2020, if you take those three

00:13:26.700 elections, we should have 62 Republican senators in office, not 53. 0.57

00:13:31.160 Well, once Saskatchewan and Alberta secede from Canada, which constitutionally they have

00:13:37.700 the right to do and may be in the process of doing and then become independent, then

00:13:42.220 applying for statehood, I get you at least four more conservative members of the Senate

00:13:48.800 and a bunch of conservative members of the house i'm thinking maybe cuba and venezuela too give us

00:13:54.540 four more uh that's an interesting idea i wonder if the president would also then appoint marco

00:14:00.100 rubio uh in addition to being the archivist of the united states the national security advisor

00:14:06.100 the secretary of state uh but would also appoint him governor of uh of uh of cuba that would be

00:14:14.120 you know one more thing for him to put in his resume he's handled everything really well so far

00:14:18.400 No, I'm very, very pleased and happy with my home state senator. His politics were not always mine. I did support him over Charlie Crist in the Tea Party circle, and I'm glad I did.

00:14:28.400 He has been a valiant warrior against Marxism and Marxist narco trafficking in this hemisphere, where he and Trump are obviously, based on what they did in Doral this weekend with all those Central and South American leaders in this new coalition to fight the narco drug trafficking that is mostly done by these leftist Marxist states in this hemisphere.

00:14:52.700 I think that is laudable.

00:14:55.420 If I were the Cubans, I'd be very, very, very nervous right now.

00:14:59.460 After big wins in Venezuela and Honduras and cutting off Cuba's oil, is Cuba next to fall?

00:15:06.280 We'll be right back with Captain Seth Ketchel.

00:15:08.480 I'm going to ask you a bit more about the 2020 elections and how you see 2026 shaping up.

00:15:16.900 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

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00:15:46.120 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:15:49.780 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:15:53.660 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:15:54.820 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:15:57.740 Now, get him his own.

00:15:59.500 It's the Stone Zone.

00:16:01.440 Here's Roger Stone.

00:16:03.300 And we're back with Captain Seth Ketchel.

00:16:05.800 He has a very lively feed over there at Substack.

00:16:09.800 He is an author, election integrity analyst, former U.S. Army intelligence captain.

00:16:14.800 And he is also, I think, a very shrewd reader of political trends.

00:16:21.340 I do have to ask you, in your new book, which is The American War on Election Corruption,

00:16:27.380 The Crusade to Restore Trust in Voting, which I highly recommend to you,

00:16:30.940 you say that elections are not stolen but rigged.

00:16:34.440 What do you mean by that?

00:16:35.520 You know, it was actually Newt Gingrich's comment about the elections not being stolen but rigged.

00:16:40.280 And I wanted to pick the speaker right before because, you know, we all, you and I, Roger, we've toured a lot of events and we tend to talk in circles.

00:16:47.700 And one of the more difficult audiences, and we deal with them all the time in Arizona, regular rank and file Republicans that may not like the president's style who don't want to talk about election corruption.

00:16:56.720 And I always knew that Speaker Gingrich felt the same way about elections that I did.

00:17:00.220 And by not stolen, but rigged, I mean that the 2024 election made it very obvious to me what the capabilities and capacities of the various states to produce which ballot counts are.

00:17:10.460 And it's all based on what types of laws they have on the books.

00:17:13.520 So, while Governor DeSantis may say that he's got the gold standard of elections, I wouldn't call it that.

00:17:18.340 I would say maybe states like Iowa have the gold standard of elections.

00:17:21.840 But for a large state, clamping down on how much cheating is possible with the more than three million mail-in ballots that Florida has every cycle has really turned that state into a blowout.

00:17:31.920 I mean, nobody's going to win Florida for the Democrats for our lifetime, my lifetime, and I'm 41 years old.

00:17:36.560 So forcing voters to request a mail-in ballot, verify addresses, that really tamps down on how much cheating is possible.

00:17:43.220 So rigging is done by what types of laws?

00:17:45.620 The big three laws are automatic voter registration, universal mail-in voting, and ballot harvesting.

00:17:50.580 You have those, you have a Democrat superpower.

00:17:52.960 Yeah, it's very interesting, the trend in Florida.

00:17:55.160 Now, for the first time, Republicans have over $1 million voter registration edge over Florida Democrats.

00:18:03.400 This was a state that until not that long ago was a purple state rather than a red state.

00:18:08.160 It's become a solidly red state.

00:18:10.360 A lot of this has to do with Hispanic Americans beyond Cubans, Venezuelans, even Puerto Ricans,

00:18:17.220 who are more traditionally Democratic, gravitating to the new Republican Party of Donald Trump.

00:18:23.040 And therefore, I think it is easy to say at this point,

00:18:26.500 whoever wins the Republican nomination, it would be Governor of Florida,

00:18:29.720 most likely Congressman Byron Donalds, who's been endorsed by the president,

00:18:33.860 based on that endorsement alone.

00:18:37.040 But whoever wins the Republican nomination, there are several other candidates.

00:18:41.220 The Democrats have no bench here, and their party has atrophied very badly.

00:18:46.760 Well, Roger, there's a few things in Florida I like to watch.

00:18:51.000 There are three things in Florida I really like to watch.

00:18:53.340 Number one, Miami-Dade County is a pretty interesting opportunity for the Republicans everywhere.

00:18:58.960 I get frustrated watching the party in Pennsylvania.

00:19:01.500 They don't seem to realize that if they could just go into Philadelphia County and be anti-crime, anti-corruption, and be 10 percent better,

00:19:07.620 they could never lose the state again based on the trend in the rest of the state.

00:19:10.980 So Miami-Dade County offers an urban roadmap for Republicans if they can figure out how to replicate that.

00:19:15.440 Number two, the overall trend of Florida. So Florida was R-plus 7.8 percent by registration, 1.1 million more Republicans than Democrats when Trump won by 13 points.

00:19:26.000 Now it's R-plus 11.2, almost 1.5 million advantage.

00:19:29.820 What that means is Florida is on pace to be redder than Texas in the next presidential election, whether that's J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio as the party nominee.

00:19:36.740 And Florida has a 1952 to present, brand present, in which Pennsylvania and Michigan move in the same direction as Florida.

00:19:44.380 So Florida's current lean suggests very strongly that the next Republican nominee will carry both Pennsylvania and Michigan.

00:19:49.600 And then the third thing I like to watch is Duval County, Jacksonville.

00:19:52.380 It has shifted in the same direction as Georgia in every presidential election since 2004.

00:19:56.720 So I can't get party registration figures in Georgia because they don't register by party.

00:20:01.480 But I can read them in Duval County, and Duval County is almost flipped to a Republican registration advantage.

00:20:06.400 I know some of these demographic trends are very, very interesting.

00:20:09.860 Of course, they also, the negative side, look at New York City and the white flight, the flight of Catholics, the flight of working class white voters changing that Democrat primary to produce a memdami. 0.74

00:20:24.540 You know, there's never enough time.

00:20:25.920 I'm going to have Captain Seth Ketchum back because I want to get his thoughts on 2026 and 2028.

00:20:31.500 I think we beat up the last election pretty good tonight.

00:20:35.200 Seth, good luck with your book again, The American War on Election Corruption, The Crusade to Restore Trust in Voting by Captain Seth Ketchel.

00:20:44.060 You can go to Amazon, grab your copy right now.

00:20:46.960 Yeah, thank you very much, Roger, for having me on.

Captain Seth Keshel ｜ 03-10-26

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