The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Christopher Mazzei ｜ 06-04-25

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:05.980 We're back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:08.340 I can tell you firsthand, I know what it is to be targeted by a vengeful and politically motivated federal government.

00:00:15.280 They have unlimited resources.

00:00:17.980 I know what it is to be the subject of a trial presided over by a hostile and hateful judge who essentially will not allow you to mount any defense whatsoever.

00:00:30.000 I know what it is to have a judge who won't even allow you to enter exhibits of evidence that would have proved that you're an innocent, even though under the law, it's the government's job to prove you're guilty.

00:00:42.100 You're not required to prove your innocence.

00:00:44.580 It doesn't really work that way.

00:00:45.880 But the case of Aaron and Chris Mosey is so stunning, so overreaching, so outrageous that I wanted to bring Chris Mosey on the show today to talk about it.

00:01:00.600 The Moseys are successful California entrepreneurs.

00:01:04.960 They had a history of developing entertainment content previously, directing and producing several feature films, all of which made money.

00:01:12.320 But when they got a PPP loan back during the COVID-19 crisis, that's when the trouble started.

00:01:22.940 Chris Mosey, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:01:26.280 Thank you, Roger.

00:01:26.900 Thank you for having me.

00:01:28.320 So give us a kind of a quick synopsis of what went down in this epic prosecution of you and your wife.

00:01:38.280 If you were sentenced to 36 months of imprisonment while your wife, Erin, was sentenced to 27 months of imprisonment, she is still incarcerated.

00:01:47.620 The charges in the end were allegedly wire fraud and money laundering conspiracy for receiving a PPP loan to fund an entertainment project in Hawaii where you live.

00:02:00.240 Tell us what happened.

00:02:01.840 Well, actually, we never lived in Hawaii, so that's the ironic part.

00:02:05.460 We've always lived in California.

00:02:08.280 This all stemmed because we had a project called Ohana that basically was a fictional character in a non-fiction world of Hawaii in the 1990s dealing with the mob and the corrupt federal government over there.

00:02:23.640 So that's, I don't know if that's how it all stemmed from it, but we, you know, during COVID when it all happened, we were like everybody else, didn't know what was going on, was following directions by any and everybody.

00:02:39.960 And, you know, at that time I was reaching out to our local banks and they're like, we're not doing this program yet.

00:02:45.260 We don't know what it, what it is.

00:02:46.840 And so that's when I started just kind of going online every day just to, to, to get questions.

00:02:54.040 You know, I had questions, I needed answers and I reached out to, I don't even know how many different banks and loan originators.

00:03:01.280 And one of them wrote us back and said, no, you can use projections.

00:03:05.240 And it didn't seem off to me because back in the day we used to own a no fear store and we got a traditional SBA loan.

00:03:13.720 And one of the requirements is you fill out a whole Excel spreadsheet on your 18 months of projections.

00:03:21.540 So it didn't throw up any irregularities to me or to us.

00:03:27.480 So that is the issue that happened with the prosecutor.

00:03:33.540 He didn't want to hear anything about the email.

00:03:35.520 He just turned a blind ear.

00:03:37.600 It wasn't, wasn't part of his narrative.

00:03:39.860 So the loan originator urged, advised you that it was proper to use payroll projections for the loan, which is what you did.

00:03:48.960 You had done it previously when applying for an SBA loan.

00:03:52.640 Ultimately, it was determined that the loan originator's guidance was incorrect.

00:03:57.580 It would seem to me that agreeing to pay back the loan should have solved this issue.

00:04:03.800 But for some reason, the U.S. attorney and a federal district judge, they seem to me to be looking more for a scalp rather than than true justice.

00:04:16.200 What happened next?

00:04:17.520 So, yeah, I mean, through this whole process, we, you know, we once we learned that the information was incorrect, we said, OK, like, let's you've already seized the majority of it.

00:04:34.280 Because when we first got the loan, I'm like, I do not want any of this money in my normal account.

00:04:40.000 Like, this is not my money.

00:04:41.400 So we use we put what we were told we're allowed to pay ourselves and everything else went into a specific account, specific account for Ohana.

00:04:50.560 And, you know, that right there is their money laundering charge.

00:04:56.240 And but once once we found out that the advice from the loan originator originator was not proper, we said, OK, what can we do?

00:05:07.720 Like, let's sell let's sell our condo.

00:05:09.560 We had bought a condo over in Hawaii because we were planning on shooting this pilot in summer of twenty twenty one.

00:05:15.720 So, you know, we sold that and we came up with close to one point two million out of the one point three million dollars.

00:05:23.200 That was the original loan amount.

00:05:24.820 And they just didn't care.

00:05:29.720 You know, they're like, no, you guys are hard criminals.

00:05:31.880 You know, we don't care.

00:05:34.060 We they wanted to treat us like the other people that you would hear on the news that bought Lamborghinis and didn't have businesses.

00:05:41.980 And it was it was just sickening to us that we were being labeled that when we we're a normal family.

00:05:49.020 I mean, we're basically similar to everyone that's listening to your program.

00:05:54.560 We're not famous.

00:05:55.660 We're not politicians.

00:05:57.940 We're your average family that got targeted.

00:06:01.560 And I think there's a lot of them out there that just don't have a voice.

00:06:05.560 And so we're very thankful you're giving us a voice.

00:06:09.060 I mean, the case against you and your wife, Erin, seems plagued with prosecutorial abuse from the start.

00:06:15.340 Federal agents seized all your accessible assets prematurely in May of twenty twenty one.

00:06:21.740 But that's nearly a year before any charges were filed against you in May of twenty twenty two, violating a requirement to file charges within 90 days or return the seized assets.

00:06:34.280 This include placing a what's called a Liz pendens, a public notice that a particular property has a claim against it on your family home that had been purchased three years well before the covid-19 pandemic even occurred as part of the plan to squeeze you and coerce you into entering a plea agreement.

00:06:57.200 And I still find the entire thing incredible because you were bled dry.

00:07:05.260 You had already paid back virtually all of the PPP loan, yet they decided to destroy you financially anyway when the matter could have been civilly quite easily settled simply by paying them back.

00:07:21.280 You operated on the basis of bad advice, but they had no interest in that.

00:07:27.240 In fact, as I understand it, the plea deal banned any negotiation that would have prevented you from arguing for a reduced sentence.

00:07:38.440 You and you have two small children.

00:07:41.100 Yet they insisted that despite the fact that you were first time nonviolent, non drug, drug related offenders that you had to do serious time ripping your wife now, who's still behind bars, away from two young children.

00:08:00.160 This is really quite incredible.

00:08:02.780 So, no, I agree.

00:08:05.540 And the whole the problem with the house is when we got served our target letter, we had over a million dollars in equity in that house and we couldn't pull any cash out for legal assistance.

00:08:16.880 So we got stuck with the Hawaiian court appointed attorneys, which aren't aren't court appointed.

00:08:23.620 Like they are literally it's a panel of attorneys and you look any of them up and they're literally their main focus is personal injury.

00:08:30.260 So they they had no idea what they were doing.

00:08:34.680 And any time we would push them to like, hey, look at like what you just said about the assets being seized ahead of time.

00:08:43.340 Instead of actually doing anything, they just went to the court and has to be removed.

00:08:48.420 That went on for almost two years until my father in law saw this.

00:08:53.160 And luckily, he had a little bit of money saved up.

00:08:55.640 So we finally were able to hire a private attorney.

00:09:00.160 But at that time, that's when the government was saying, if you don't take this plea, we're going to file charges against my mom, who's 77 and has had no issues with our business at all.

00:09:13.280 Just to bring in the family aspect to get us to plea.

00:09:17.540 It was it was just disgusting.

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00:09:50.160 Precisely what they did to General Flynn, threatening to charge his son if he did not a plea to take a plea or former upstate New York Congressman Chris Collins, who they charged with insider trading.

00:10:04.200 Despite the fact that there's no evidence that he conducted any inside trading, but they threatened to indict his young son if he did not plead guilty.

00:10:14.300 The most stunning thing about your case is learning that the U.S. attorney used the money you paid back to turn around and try to buy your family home in the foreclosure sale.

00:10:24.820 In fact, they actually sent agents to go bid on it.

00:10:27.840 So they forced a foreclosure instead of allowing a normal sale, which would have allowed you to keep some equity.

00:10:34.960 On top of that, as I understand it, the government hasn't applied the money that you paid back towards restitution, even though the court transcript clearly states that that is what the money would be used for.

00:10:47.460 So in other words, they double dipped, they stole your home, and they got to keep your money.

00:10:53.000 This is a cautionary tale because what happened to you and your wife, Erin, can happen to any American.

00:11:02.940 No, I agree.

00:11:03.900 And it was just out of dumb luck that we found out about the foreclosure sale because I just remember I was talking to my best friend on the phone right after I told him what our sentence was.

00:11:14.700 And so we were basically crying together on the phone.

00:11:16.900 I've known him since seventh grade, and he's a very successful mortgage broker.

00:11:23.160 And he said, well, let me see if I can just buy your house for you at the sale.

00:11:29.140 When is it?

00:11:29.900 And I'm like, they're doing it in 12 days.

00:11:31.860 The sale was scheduled for 12 days after our sentencing.

00:11:34.840 So he has his guy that's been doing this for 30 years, buying foreclosed sales at the auction.

00:11:42.220 You know, he had a certain amount he was going to be able to spend, and it went over that.

00:11:46.340 But I have the text message, and I think I sent you a copy of it.

00:11:49.380 Like, the guy said it was unusual because federal agents were at the auction bidding, and they didn't win.

00:11:57.520 The house ended up going back to the mortgage lender.

00:12:00.020 But, I mean, I would have never known that unless he would have offered to purchase it.

00:12:07.000 And, yeah, the restitution is a battle.

00:12:13.280 I just got off the phone with my attorney, and he's going to be writing a letter to the D.C. office about having that put in from the forfeiture to restitution.

00:12:24.040 But no one knows where the money is.

00:12:25.660 Like, I've asked, and nobody can—I've written multiple letters to the District of Hawaii, to the court, and no one knows where it is.

00:12:34.500 So that's a little concerning.

00:12:37.100 I must ask you, on a personal level, how has the impact been on your wife, Erin, and your kids?

00:12:43.640 You know, Erin is a very strong woman.

00:12:47.100 That's what I fell in love with.

00:12:48.620 When she first had to surrender, the judge was cruel and made her surrender to the—wouldn't let her get designated to her camp.

00:13:00.620 She had to surrender to the marshal services in Fresno.

00:13:04.780 We live in San Luis Obispo, California, so it's an hour-and-a-half drive, and I took her there.

00:13:09.500 And the marshals didn't even understand why she was there.

00:13:12.240 They didn't know what to do with her, so they put her in county jail in Fresno for almost three weeks.

00:13:19.680 It was the toughest thing she's ever been through, and it's one of the toughest things I've ever had to hear on the other end of a phone as her husband.

00:13:27.240 She is fine now in her camp in Victorville.

00:13:33.960 Obviously, it's not ideal, but she's just kind of keeping her head down and praying every day that, well, we can get the truth out there,

00:13:42.660 and somebody with some power and some common sense can actually see what happened to us.

00:13:50.180 Obviously, the conditions aren't great, but you know what?

00:13:54.380 She said most of the guards and everyone there is friendly and understanding of the majority of the people.

00:14:00.600 So she doesn't have bad, bad things to say about where she is,

00:14:04.720 but obviously this woman has never had a parking ticket since I've known her. 0.86

00:14:09.020 So to even be anywhere near a federal facility is ridiculous.

00:14:14.340 So, Chris, have you thought about setting up a GoFundMe or a website where people can keep track of your case and maybe offer support?

00:14:27.120 Not really.

00:14:28.300 I mean, I've been so busy.

00:14:30.620 We own our own business.

00:14:31.800 Through all of this, we were able to start a whole other business under the most trying of times,

00:14:37.580 and it's doing really good, so that takes the majority of my focus,

00:14:42.340 and obviously I'm raising two young boys as, you know, a pseudo single father right now.

00:14:49.940 And, you know, they're hanging in there.

00:14:53.080 Our oldest obviously was more of a mama's boy, and I can tell he misses Aaron.

00:14:58.440 Our youngest, Nico, he always looked more up to me,

00:15:02.560 so I think he isn't getting hit with the effect of it as much.

00:15:06.400 But we don't need the money.

00:15:11.020 I don't care about money.

00:15:12.260 I just care about getting her home.

00:15:14.020 But obviously our story could make an impact for other people.

00:15:17.920 So I've thought about starting some kind of blog or something like that.

00:15:22.040 Obviously Aaron's keeping notes, and we are writers,

00:15:24.900 so obviously this could be a book someday or a documentary or something

00:15:29.140 that would just blow you away on what can happen to a normal family.

00:15:35.000 All right.

00:15:35.900 Chris Mousset, thank you so much for coming into the Stone Zone,

00:15:39.060 telling us your story today,

00:15:40.260 and we will be praying for you and your wife Aaron and your two young boys.

00:15:45.700 Don't go away, folks.

00:15:47.000 I'll be right back in the Stone Zone.

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00:16:02.040 ...whether the so-called reporters at the Washington Post are deranged.

00:16:07.160 In an article investigating the, quote,

00:16:09.660 mysterious drop in fentanyl seizures on the U.S.-Mexico border,

00:16:13.900 the Washington Post explores what they call a new and puzzling reality.

00:16:17.700 The explanation, they say, is complex.

00:16:20.900 Of course, it's only puzzling and complex if one refuses to acknowledge

00:16:24.540 that President Donald Trump has stemmed the flow of drug smuggling

00:16:29.140 by enforcing the law against illegals entering the country on our southern border.

00:16:36.200 Fentanyl seizures have plummeted from 1,700 pounds in 2024

00:16:42.440 to 746 pounds in 2025, according to the Washington Post.

00:16:49.300 The declines occurring, even as the Trump administration has deployed

00:16:52.760 thousands of troops to the borders and expanded drone flights

00:16:56.440 with more boots on the ground,

00:16:58.220 you'd think that seizures would go up, not down.

00:17:01.920 Now, you might think that if you fail to consider for a second

00:17:04.720 that the thousands of boots on the ground provide deterrence

00:17:08.640 against Mexican drug cartels, avoiding being thrown in prison,

00:17:13.520 something cartels don't have to worry about so much under Joe Biden,

00:17:18.080 is undoubtedly a significant factor in the drop of narcotics seizures.

00:17:23.060 A White House spokeswoman responded to the Washington Post by saying,

00:17:26.140 the drop in fentanyl seizures at the border is only a mystery

00:17:30.600 to the Washington Post reporters suffering from a severe case

00:17:34.580 of Trump derangement syndrome, also known as TDS.

00:17:40.040 Everyone else not affected by TDS knows the simple truth,

00:17:45.600 that President Trump's closed our border to illegal drug traffickers

00:17:49.240 and Americans are safer because of it.

00:17:51.960 As of March, fentanyl traffic at the southern border

00:17:54.480 had fallen by more than half of the same amount last year,

00:17:58.400 while Joe Biden's open borders were still terrorizing and destroying America.

00:18:03.680 The Washington Post's theory is the drugs just stopped being cool this year.

00:18:09.520 At least that's essentially what they say in their article.

00:18:12.560 You're getting this generational effect.

00:18:14.780 Illicit opiates are just not as cool as they were,

00:18:18.840 an epidemiologist was quoted by the Washington Post as saying.

00:18:23.060 It's amazing how fentanyl apparently lost its addictive nature

00:18:27.180 as soon as President Donald Trump took office, apparently.

00:18:30.640 This is why I don't get my news from the Washington Post

00:18:34.060 for the same reason I don't eat out of the toilet.

00:18:38.260 A new poll out from Atlas Intel of the 2028 Democrat Presidential Contest

00:18:45.760 has Pete Buttigieg in the lead at 32%, AOC at 19%,

00:18:51.620 former Vice President Kamala Harris at 17%,

00:18:55.380 Cory Booker at 10%, Governor Gavin Newsom at 7%,

00:19:01.560 Little Josh Piro of Pennsylvania at 5%,

00:19:04.680 Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan at 4%,

00:19:08.180 and Reverend Raphael Warnock, the senator from Georgia, at 1%.

00:19:12.760 You know, you can make a poll say anything you want

00:19:16.560 by the wording of the question, the order of the questions,

00:19:19.840 the size and accuracy of the sample.

00:19:23.340 Every credible poll that I have seen shows Kamala Harris

00:19:27.620 would be the easy frontrunner.

00:19:30.240 Makes sense.

00:19:30.960 She just spent $300 billion running for president. 1.00

00:19:34.280 And AOC is a surprisingly strong second-place finisher.

00:19:39.980 Although my favorite remains an AOC Jasmine Crockett ticket.

00:19:45.960 Make my day.

00:19:47.860 Thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:19:50.500 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 05, 2025

Christopher Mazzei ｜ 06-04-25

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