The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 11, 2025


Col. Douglas Macgregor ｜ 06-10-25

Topics
Insurrection Act and martial law concerns deportation operations No Kings protest and riots peace deal with Ukraine Russian and Ukrainian conflict
Hosted by
Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
Mentioned
Douglas McGregor Donald Trump Richard Blumenthal Lindsey Graham Zelensky Harry Truman John Durham Putin Doug Franklin Roosevelt Douglas MacArthur Thomas Jefferson Herbert Hoover Kash Patel George Soros John Brennan Chris Pine Cory Booker Pam Bondi Desjardins and 5 more
John Phillips ｜ 06-09-25 General Michael Flynn ｜ 06-13-25

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Former U.S. Army Colonel, retired, a combat veteran, and former top advisor to the Secretary of Defense, Douglas McGregor joins us on The Stone Zone with Roger Stone to discuss martial law in the wake of the anti-ICE riots in Los Angeles.

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00:00:30.000 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:00:42.860 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
00:00:46.620 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.
00:00:49.000 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
00:00:52.600 Now they treated him very unfairly.
00:00:55.180 Now, get in the zone. 0.94
00:00:57.040 It's the Stone Zone.
00:00:58.560 Welcome back to the Stone Zone.
00:01:05.020 Joining me now is a former U.S. Army colonel, retired, a combat veteran, former top advisor to the Secretary of Defense.
00:01:15.360 Douglas McGregor is a, as I say, a decorated combat veteran, an author of five books, a Ph.D., and an expert in both defense and foreign policy matters.
00:01:26.180 He is the geopolitical strategic thinker that I admire the most.
00:01:31.960 He's very famous within our military because in the Battle of 73 Easting, he led the U.S. Army's largest tank attack since World War II.
00:01:45.000 And also for his groundbreaking books on military transformation.
00:01:50.340 We're honored to have Colonel Douglas McGregor with us today in the Stone Zone.
00:01:55.220 Colonel McGregor, welcome.
00:01:58.360 Thanks, Roger.
00:01:59.340 Glad to be with you.
00:02:00.140 So, yesterday I noticed that you called on President Donald Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to the anti-ice riots in Los Angeles.
00:02:11.000 Can you tell us what additional police powers the president would gain by invoking the Insurrection Act and why you believe he should do so?
00:02:20.280 Hey, thanks for asking.
00:02:23.720 This is an important question, and I thought I should be urging the president to act because I was afraid that too many other people in his inner circle would urge him to do nothing.
00:02:34.680 I'm concerned, and I think the president needs to be concerned because the Insurrection Act gives him federal power that he otherwise doesn't have.
00:02:43.300 Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States will you find the words martial law.
00:02:48.860 The president does not have the authority to establish martial law.
00:02:53.020 Some governors do, and local military commanders can, but the president does not.
00:02:58.520 But the Insurrection Act that was passed in 1807, Thomas Jefferson's urging, gives him the power to federalize local militia, National Guard, local police, as well as to bring in federal troops.
00:03:12.820 That is, regular army and marines.
00:03:15.720 In the event that certain conditions seem to be met, and those conditions involve outright contempt for authority, destruction of private property, threats to the bodily harm to not only the agents of the local government and police, but to federal officers and to the population at large.
00:03:38.140 And what we're seeing now in Los Angeles suggests that this is very, very serious, much more serious than most people refer to us.
00:03:46.260 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Colonel Douglas MacArthur, McGregor, pardon me.
00:03:53.900 He is the CEO of Our Country, Our Choice.
00:03:56.420 You can find him at OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:03:59.960 He's also written a number of excellent books on military strategy and history.
00:04:04.960 Colonel McGregor spent a year at VMI, four years at West Point, and retired with the rank of colonel.
00:04:14.040 He served in the Trump administration as a top advisor to the Secretary of Defense, and he has been outspoken in his opposition to a strike on Iran.
00:04:26.700 In fact, Colonel McGregor, your oration on that is so good.
00:04:30.500 We've played it several times here on the show.
00:04:32.800 You've called for the president to now bring back all U.S. ground troops from overseas and employ them inside America to restore the rule of law and to help execute these mask deportations.
00:04:47.520 It was on this show I recall you saying that the Army should be utilized in the deportation operation.
00:04:53.880 How do you see an operation of that size unfolding, and how many million illegals do you think we actually need to deport?
00:05:02.800 Well, the true estimates, not necessarily the ones that are locally admitted to, and certainly not by people on the Hill,
00:05:09.160 but the true estimates are that we have about 50 million people inside the United States who are illegally here.
00:05:15.560 In other words, they broke the laws in order to enter the country. 1.00
00:05:18.220 Of that number, almost 30 million came in under President Biden when he effectively opened the borders and essentially suspended the rule of law,
00:05:29.320 letting these people in without any betting or any prior examination of any kind.
00:05:34.640 Now, historically, we have been through deportations before.
00:05:38.360 In 1929, after the stock market crash, President Herbert Hoover signed an executive order that resulted in the deportation of 9 million Mexicans.
00:05:49.440 Now, why did he do that?
00:05:50.780 Because he wisely concluded that they had jobs that Americans under normal circumstances might not do.
00:05:57.980 But with the onset of the Depression, Americans would be desperate for ways to make money.
00:06:02.920 And what he didn't want was a war inside the United States between American citizens and non-citizens doing jobs Americans needed.
00:06:13.220 Franklin Roosevelt deported another 3.5 million.
00:06:17.060 Harry Truman deported another 2.2 million.
00:06:20.520 And Eisenhower ultimately deported somewhere between 1.2 and 1.4 million.
00:06:25.440 Now, in every case, these people were deported because they were not legally in the country,
00:06:31.300 but they were also deported because they held down jobs that Americans needed.
00:06:36.300 The United States Army was involved in all of those deportations to a greater or lesser extent.
00:06:42.780 Why would the United States Army, that is, the regular Army, be involved?
00:06:45.740 Because they can mobilize the transportation assets.
00:06:49.160 They can ensure the professional conduct of the deportations.
00:06:53.920 And they can protect the citizens that are being deported from each other as well as from Americans
00:06:59.420 and protect Americans from them. 0.65
00:07:02.120 So this is a natural thing for the Army to do.
00:07:04.900 And by the way, the Marines, as a regular element of the ground force, have also been involved in these things.
00:07:10.760 But when you look at the numbers that are involved, it's going to take a force the size of both the Marines and the Army to get the job done.
00:07:21.080 A brilliant thinking, in which I completely agree.
00:07:24.760 What I see here, Colonel McGregor, and I think you agree with this, is this is the precursor to a rerun of what we saw in 2020,
00:07:33.320 where these so-called riots, which are really planned, orchestrated insurrections, very well-funded, very well-planned,
00:07:42.620 will break out across the country, Chicago being after Minneapolis, Chicago and Los Angeles being two of the worst examples.
00:07:51.940 In that instance, President Trump, unfortunately, listened to advisors who told him to let the governors decide about the use of the National Guard.
00:08:02.360 And I think it is a decision that he regrets.
00:08:05.860 It's also clearly a decision that he's not going to make again.
00:08:11.000 I wondered if you had seen this, the advertising for the so-called No Kings protest planned for this weekend.
00:08:22.840 The No Kings protest is backed by a number of radical left organizations,
00:08:28.620 including one funded by George Soros.
00:08:32.700 Are we about to see a replay of 2020?
00:08:37.700 Yes, I think we're at the beginning of this process.
00:08:40.020 I think we're going to see this stretch through the balance of the summer and into the fall.
00:08:44.900 First of all, let's get something straight right up front.
00:08:47.460 So important that you brought this up.
00:08:49.000 We have discovered cell phones found in the possession of people that participated in the riots and the destruction of private property,
00:08:58.840 the attacks on police officers in Los Angeles.
00:09:01.400 They've traced these cell phones back to people in Bel Air, Beverly Hills and other wealthy neighborhoods all the way back to Manhattan and New York City.
00:09:12.360 In other words, we know within a reasonable distance just who is ultimately funding all of this,
00:09:21.900 because none of this would happen without copious amounts of money.
00:09:26.160 We've got people on film passing out extremely expensive biohazard masks to people,
00:09:33.940 as well as cell phones.
00:09:36.820 And also, as we saw before, as you pointed out in 2020, large numbers of bricks and stones and other things showing up.
00:09:45.280 I think before long, we'll also see weapons confiscated.
00:09:48.960 The point is that you're 100 percent right.
00:09:52.560 These are well orchestrated, well funded.
00:09:55.580 That man that Pam Bondi, the attorney general, mentioned as having been found,
00:10:01.440 who was throwing bricks at police cars, he's the tip of a proverbial iceberg.
00:10:07.780 Any number of people can be bought, put on the street and told, hey, throw rocks at the police.
00:10:13.500 That's not problematic.
00:10:14.880 The people that we should be going after are the people funding these things.
00:10:18.660 And if you apply the Insurrection Act, then you can begin to prosecute people for treason.
00:10:25.000 People who are rebelling against lawful, legitimate federal authority.
00:10:29.360 And that needs to happen.
00:10:31.020 We have to come down hard on this.
00:10:33.460 If we don't, it will metastasize and become much worse.
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00:10:56.840 That's an excellent point you make, that those who had the, if the Insurrection Act is enacted, could be charged with treason if they're involved in the planning and orchestration of this.
00:11:11.580 This is something I would have to believe the FBI and Drakash Patel could very quickly get to the bottom of.
00:11:17.040 We've already seen substantial evidence just from watching the videos online.
00:11:23.380 This is the great thing about the Internet.
00:11:25.100 You can have Cory Booker telling us that the protests in California are mostly peaceful.
00:11:31.920 And then in the very next minute, you can see protesters dropping concrete, chunks of concrete onto moving ICE vehicles in an overpass.
00:11:44.580 In one case, crashing through the windshield and injuring one of the officers.
00:11:50.180 This is a, this is an all out insurrection.
00:11:53.940 Let me jump across the globe here for a moment, if I will, because it's another subject on which you have always been extraordinarily correct.
00:12:02.020 Russia and Ukraine have now met twice in Turkey.
00:12:06.260 The only thing that has emerged from those discussions was a large prisoner exchange.
00:12:12.200 Do you see us any closer to getting a peace deal pertaining to Russia and Ukraine?
00:12:21.840 Unfortunately, Roger, I don't.
00:12:24.760 And I think that President Trump has been sabotaged by people in the Senate and in the House,
00:12:31.500 individuals who are desperate to keep this war going for any number of reasons.
00:12:35.280 A good example is this Representative McCaul from Texas.
00:12:40.440 Other examples include Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal.
00:12:44.820 The President of the United States has explicitly stated his desire to have peace in Ukraine.
00:12:51.840 And these individuals have stepped forward and said, we want nothing to do with peace.
00:12:56.420 Our goal is to destroy Russia. 0.97
00:12:58.060 But President Trump has made it very clear he's not interested in destroying Russia or harming Russia, nor should he be.
00:13:05.300 But I think the only solution at this point is one we discussed before, and that's for the President, to simply end any further aid.
00:13:13.220 He's the chief executive.
00:13:14.480 He has authority.
00:13:15.640 He can stop the aid.
00:13:16.840 And then he can direct that all American citizens in or out of uniform, in intelligence capacities or any capacity whatsoever in Ukraine, leave Ukraine.
00:13:28.260 When he does that, the Ukrainian regime is finished because the Europeans can't provide the equipment, the cash or anything else to keep this going.
00:13:38.140 And that's the quickest way to end the killing, because the Russians are now stuck. 0.94
00:13:43.340 Since they're dealing with this bad man, Zelensky, who's determined to fight to the last Ukrainian, they have to fight even if it requires them to kill the last Ukrainian. 0.65
00:13:53.220 That's something they don't want to do.
00:13:54.740 It's something we shouldn't want anybody to do.
00:13:57.440 So the President needs to, he needs to be the leader he is and simply say, that's it.
00:14:03.460 Everybody out.
00:14:04.360 This stops now.
00:14:05.360 Yeah, I suggested that if, I said if, Senators Lindsey Graham and the Vietnam War hero Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut met privately with Zelensky and urged him not to make a peace deal with Donald Trump, they would be in violation of the Logan Act.
00:14:26.300 There is no immunity for U.S. senators on that law.
00:14:30.080 Now, I didn't say they did it.
00:14:31.300 I said if they did it.
00:14:32.760 We don't know if they did it, but they certainly undermined the United States.
00:14:36.960 It's also abundantly clear that President Trump was not informed of the Ukrainian attack on the Russian airfield, in which a number of their bombers and their weapons were destroyed.
00:14:49.640 So the Ukrainian, pardon me, the Ukrainians are not operating in good faith. 1.00
00:14:54.740 If you're just tuning in, folks, we're talking to Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:14:59.060 You can find him at our country, let's see, our country, where are we, Doug?
00:15:07.420 Anyway, we'll be right back with more of Colonel McGregor.
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00:15:31.300 Now, get in the zone. 0.94
00:15:33.220 It's the Stone Zone.
00:15:35.260 Here's Roger Stone.
00:15:36.800 And we're back in the zone with Colonel Douglas McGregor, decorated combat veteran, defense and foreign policy consultant, geopolitical thinker.
00:15:49.180 Found my notes here.
00:15:50.300 You can find him at ourcountryourchoice.com, ourcountryourchoice.com.
00:15:56.060 I recommend you go there for Doug's always brilliant analysis of the world situation.
00:16:03.040 We're talking about the Russian and Ukrainian conflict.
00:16:07.980 I was reading these chilling stories about conscriptions in Ukraine where 14-year-olds, 12-year-olds are being essentially kidnapped on the streets to be put into military service.
00:16:20.020 Are the Ukrainians running out of men?
00:16:22.540 I think they're running out of manpower because most of the manpower that would have otherwise been available has left the country.
00:16:31.160 And the other thing is that there are now gangs active inside Ukraine that are arming themselves to fight off these press gangs from the Ukrainian government.
00:16:40.160 The population of Ukraine has had it with this war.
00:16:42.820 It wants an end to it.
00:16:44.300 So we know the government is no longer legitimate.
00:16:47.140 When that sort of thing happens, it's over.
00:16:49.280 But, you know, Roger, you said something that's very important that people need to know.
00:16:53.700 Every day, the president is inundated with huge quantities of information.
00:16:59.880 Neither you nor I were there.
00:17:01.500 Neither of us could be absolutely certain what President Trump was told.
00:17:05.940 But the Central Intelligence Agency provides him with a briefing whenever he wants it and usually on a daily basis.
00:17:12.020 It's the obligation of the director of the CIA to make known to him the intention of a covert operation in a place like Russia as a result of that Ukraine-Russia war.
00:17:24.340 I don't know what Radcliffe is doing, but that's his job.
00:17:28.200 Obviously, he failed to tell the president, this is what's being planned.
00:17:32.480 If this happens, these are the implications.
00:17:34.960 That's his job, Roger.
00:17:36.440 Well, we know on two instances.
00:17:39.660 The president himself, in an interview, learns for the first time about an assassination attempt on Putin, that they had an attack on Putin's helicopter.
00:17:52.160 We heard it from his own mouth.
00:17:53.720 He didn't know that.
00:17:54.640 He wasn't aware of that, which means he was never told that.
00:17:56.840 And then the White House put out a statement in the wake of Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Blumenthal's sit-down with Zelensky, saying specifically that the president was not informed in advance of the unprecedented Ukrainian attack on the Russian airfields.
00:18:16.680 So those seem to me to be two failures of his own CIA.
00:18:21.940 You're absolutely right.
00:18:24.500 And you know from your own experience in Washington, every president since Harry Truman has had difficulties with the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:18:32.900 And you've got to have someone in the agency who reports to you, who keeps you informed.
00:18:38.520 You have to have someone looking out for your interests as president of the United States.
00:18:43.360 And that's obviously not being done.
00:18:46.100 Well, we see similar problems at the FBI.
00:18:49.680 We're now just learning that the FBI had an enormous tranche of Russian collusion, hoax documents hidden within their computer system at an inaccessible location where neither Special Counsel John Durham nor the Inspector General of the Department of Justice could get them.
00:19:12.240 Perhaps that would explain why his report was the report of John Durham missed so many key things.
00:19:21.760 I have very high regard for Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence.
00:19:26.580 Anytime you get attacked by John Brennan, that's a badge of honor.
00:19:30.360 He said he was appalled, appalled by the intelligence professionals that she was firing.
00:19:37.720 And she was firing because they're not loyal to President Trump or to his agenda.
00:19:42.340 She also referred a number of them to the Department of Justice for prosecution for leaking.
00:19:47.440 She's kept a relatively low profile, but I think she's endeavoring to fix the problem you describe.
00:19:53.640 And I frankly think she has the gumption and the experience to do so.
00:19:58.900 I'm afraid we have to wrap it up there.
00:20:01.700 I want to thank our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:20:05.020 You can follow him by going to OurCountryOurChoice.com, OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:20:12.820 He always brings it, so I wanted to have him on the show.
00:20:16.340 I completely agree with your assertion regarding what the president must do.
00:20:20.200 He must enact the Insurrection Act immediately to give him the power to deal with what is coming.
00:20:26.900 A nationwide insurrection planned with the assistance, I think, of enemies, both foreign and domestic.
00:20:35.040 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:20:37.640 Thanks again to Colonel McGregor for joining us.
00:20:40.180 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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