The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Dems in Shock as Walz is a Dud!

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:07.220 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:11.280 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald

00:00:15.960 Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,

00:00:20.960 spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the

00:00:26.000 Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena,

00:00:31.140 Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:41.000 Welcome. I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. If you've been following the

00:00:48.500 Stone Zone over the last several weeks, we have predicted the selection of Governor Tim

00:00:55.180 Waltz of Minnesota for vice president almost consistently. Initially, I believe that the

00:01:02.620 Democrat nominee would be Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. But it is now clear that the deep

00:01:10.440 division in the Democrat Party between those who support Israel and those who support Palestine

00:01:17.480 and Iran is a gigantic political problem for them, as bad as the split in the Democrat Party during the

00:01:26.140 1968 election over the Vietnam War. And therefore, Barack Obama leaned heavily on Kamala Harris not to pick

00:01:37.000 Governor Josh Shapiro. The case for picking Shapiro was pretty clear. He's the governor of Pennsylvania,

00:01:44.620 Pennsylvania, a swing state that it is assumed, as of today, that Donald Trump must carry. But in the end,

00:01:53.420 the collapse of the potential candidacy of Mark Kelly of Arizona, who it turned out as a former astronaut,

00:02:03.100 was actually in a partnership with a Chinese communist company that makes the satellite spy balloons that

00:02:11.620 Joe Biden allowed to drift across America. That let him out of contention. And therefore, perhaps in the

00:02:21.140 selection of Tim Walz, they thought they would get the candidate who did the least harm. After all,

00:02:29.220 vice presidential candidates very rarely affect the outcome of presidential elections. I think, however,

00:02:36.580 that the Democrats have gotten more than they bargained for. This guy, Walz, is a lout, seems to be a bit of a

00:02:46.420 loud mouth, but his record leaves a lot for Republicans to attack. Joining me now to break this down is my co-host,

00:02:57.620 back from extensive illness and looking pretty chipper this morning. It's great to be with you once again, my good friend and

00:03:07.460 co-host Troy Smith, the editor in chief of Slingshot.News. Troy, welcome back to the show.

00:03:15.220 Well, Roger, you know, we've been in this foxhole together for some time here at the Stone Zone, and I feel like we've had some

00:03:21.140 some impact. And I have to say, you know, I think your pressure on Mark Kelly, you kind of hammering

00:03:26.500 that over and over again about the Chinese spy balloon. You were not hearing that on Fox News. You

00:03:31.460 were not hearing that on other programs. So proud to be here to dissect really this unbelievable pick

00:03:38.180 of Tim Walz, Roger. And I say unbelievable because I have been doing the research and digging into this

00:03:43.700 gentleman since he was selected. You see him there. He kind of has a mad scientist look sometimes with the

00:03:49.540 hair. It's kind of creepy. But what I wanted to start with here, Roger, is video that I think,

00:03:55.060 you know, kind of highlights exactly the problem with Walz and the rest of the Democrat elite that

00:04:00.500 were all kind of really pushing for this seat. They all wanted it, whether it was Gretchen Whitmer or

00:04:08.020 Josh Shapiro or so many others across the country. Mark Kelly included in that, Roger. And the problem is

00:04:14.500 that all of these people covered for Joe Biden for the last three and a half years when we all knew

00:04:19.860 that there were actual problems. We all knew those of us who watched President Biden routinely knew

00:04:24.900 that there were serious cognitive issues dating back to even before he took the oath of office. So

00:04:31.380 just a few weeks ago, Roger, Tim Walz visited the White House and he actually assured the press that

00:04:37.860 Biden was 100% fit to serve for office. I find this ironic considering now it is Walz and Harris who have

00:04:44.180 conducted this silent coup in the Democrat Party to take away the votes of millions of Democrat primary

00:04:51.460 voters who are now forced at gunpoint to vote for Tim Walz and Kamala Harris. So let's roll this clip.

00:04:58.180 And Roger, I want to get your thoughts on Tim Walz's complicit, you know, his actions that were

00:05:03.380 completely complicit in the defense of Joe Biden and pushing the narrative that there was nothing ever

00:05:09.460 wrong with him. This is the guy that's now replaced him. Let's roll that clip.

00:05:15.540 Yes, fit for office. President has three and a half, three and a half years of delivering for

00:05:20.100 us going through what we've all been through. None of us are denying Thursday night was a bad

00:05:24.980 performance. It was a bad. It was a bad hit, if you will on that. But it doesn't impact what I

00:05:30.900 believe. He's delivering. A very revealing clip. I mean, look, Tim Walz is your run of the mill

00:05:44.580 progressive Democrat. I mean, he's allowed convicted felons to vote before probation or parole is complete,

00:05:52.500 passing legislation. He essentially stood by while Antifa and Black Lives Matter burned down half of

00:06:00.020 Minneapolis. But he refused to call out the National Guard. This is a guy who actually said,

00:06:06.820 one person's socialism is another person's neighborliness. He said he was more than happy

00:06:12.820 to be labeled as a big government liberal. He refuses to call the situation on our southern border a crisis.

00:06:21.540 He supports sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. But my all time favorite, he's insisted that the boys'

00:06:29.620 rooms in the public schools in Minnesota supply tampons. I think folks should mail him a tampon and tell

00:06:40.900 him what he can do with it. Well, Roger, I think as far as the policies on the bathrooms thing,

00:06:48.340 I want to highlight this because it's very important. They're going on the school lunch thing. Now, first of

00:06:53.700 all, Republicans out there, stop fighting the school lunch issue. You make the kids go to school,

00:06:59.380 you can give them free school lunch. It's not that big of a deal. And the fact that he gave the school

00:07:04.980 lunches to people, he signed some bill that allows school lunches to be free in Minnesota. You know,

00:07:10.820 it's just opportunism at its finest, Roger. You know, the government schools are really where people go to

00:07:17.860 get brainwashed. They're really the training ground for the Democrat Party and him giving them a little

00:07:24.340 token of a school lunch. You know, he acts like I'm the big government. I'm here to help you.

00:07:29.460 When the fact is, I think it was Republican, you know, a lot of failures on the local Republican level

00:07:34.260 to that led to this being able to happen. But it's important to point out to the people, Roger,

00:07:38.580 you send your kids to a school with Tim Waltz. They're going to be confused. They're going to have

00:07:43.620 tampons in the boys' bathroom. And how dare somebody like Tim Waltz, Roger, who has started

00:07:50.340 this whole weird thing. You know, he calls us weird. Why are you so fixated on putting tampons

00:07:56.420 in the boys' bathroom and confusing young men, telling them that they can be women? In Tim Waltz's

00:08:02.500 America, there's tampons in every boy's bathroom. And I think a lot of people in America, Roger,

00:08:06.660 need to ask themselves, why is he so obsessed with this? Why is he so weird when it comes to

00:08:12.100 our children and their bathrooms in the public schools? I mean, he wants to say that people in

00:08:17.380 the Republican Party want to get between a woman and their doctor. Tim Waltz wants to get between

00:08:21.940 your child and their bathroom at their school. Pretty sick stuff. Agreed. Let's see some more video

00:08:28.660 on the new vice presidential designate. By the way, very strange factoid. The Democrat National Convention

00:08:36.900 does not have to vote to designate a vice presidential candidate. I've honestly never

00:08:42.980 heard of such things. So their process is so undemocratic. Nobody voted for the delegates

00:08:50.900 who voted for Kamala Harris. So no voter voted for her for president. And their candidate for vice

00:08:58.180 president won't even be formally nominated or voted on by the Democrat National Convention. Very,

00:09:06.180 very strange. Also interesting to me is the fact that, yet again, Tim Waltz is a guy who wants to

00:09:13.940 phase out fossil fuels. He's against fracking. He's against exploration for gas and oil. So if you

00:09:22.660 like that price you're paying at the gas tank, well, it's politicians like Tim Waltz that you can thank.

00:09:29.220 Let's move along with some more video here. It's a lot of great stuff.

00:09:32.100 Well, and we have some more stuff to get to here, Roger. One thing that people have to remember is

00:09:37.620 that during the George Floyd riots of 2020, where over $2.2 billion of damage was done to cities

00:09:45.220 across America, one of the people that fanned the flames of that riot, one of the people that sat

00:09:50.900 back while you sat in your living room and you said, how could this chaos be allowed to be unfolding in

00:09:57.140 our cities? How could government officials sit back and watch our cities burn throughout this

00:10:03.300 country? Well, Tim Waltz was one of the guys that made this happen. And he's actually said,

00:10:08.420 even though cities burn, millions of people lost businesses that they go to regularly. Millions of

00:10:14.660 people were completely had their lives destroyed by these riots. He said he's proud of the response

00:10:20.900 that Minnesota had in the wake of these riots. So the city's burned and Tim Waltz is proud. Let's

00:10:26.100 roll that clip and get Roger's thoughts on that decision at the time. The murder of George Floyd

00:10:30.980 shocked not just Minnesota, nor the nation. It shocked the world. And the civil unrest that ensued from that

00:10:38.020 was probably some of the greatest that we've seen both in this nation and globally. And that operation

00:10:44.340 involving dozens of local county and then the state involving multiple states in the region and

00:10:50.980 involving the federal government had to be assembled, had to be coordinated and had to make sure that we

00:10:56.420 brought order back. I'll be the first to tell you that's terrifying for Minnesotans in those days.

00:11:01.140 Nothing like this had been seen before at the level of violence after the murder of George Floyd.

00:11:05.380 Um, I think again, looking, there'll be stories written in this, this will, this will be written about

00:11:10.180 for quite some time. I'm proud of Minnesota's, uh, response. I'm proud of Minnesota's, uh, first.

00:11:17.460 Proud of his response. His response is, I understand it was a non-response. He refused to mobilize

00:11:22.900 the National Guard to protect both life and property, uh, in Minneapolis. Uh, it's, uh, it's amazing.

00:11:31.300 The more you learn about this guy, the more disturbing. This is, uh, one as an Italian American,

00:11:38.100 I particularly dislike, uh, he supported vandals who tore down the statue of Christopher Columbus outside

00:11:45.540 the, uh, the, the state capitol in Minnesota. And then he refused to resurrect the statue. Unbelievable.

00:11:53.940 Well, and in Tim Walz's world, this is what people have to realize, you know, uh, they hate America

00:12:00.740 and they view America as the problem. And in Tim Walz's world, uh, in the Kamala Harris world,

00:12:07.140 America is the enemy of freedom. Whereas in the land of MAGA in, in Donald Trump's, uh, political

00:12:14.180 circles, America is viewed as the light, the beacon, uh, the, the, the, the beacon of freedom, hope,

00:12:20.020 liberty around the world. And, and it's kind of interesting, Roger, you know, if you listen to the

00:12:25.700 talking points from Tim Walz and Kamala Harris on America, how it's a racist, divisive, angry place,

00:12:33.380 uh, these are actually the exact same talking points as China and Russia that they use across

00:12:39.540 the world, uh, to get people to join their BRICS, uh, agreement, to get people to ally with China and

00:12:45.380 Russia who are portraying themselves as the new leaders of the free world, uh, in, in, in Biden's

00:12:50.900 America, you know, he's created a vacuum. He's allowed them to do this. Uh, but the point is

00:12:55.940 the rhetoric from Walz, the, the rhetoric from China is kind of the same. And we have a very

00:13:00.820 interesting clip. I want to get your thoughts on because you, you highlighted Mark Kelly's ties to

00:13:04.820 China. Uh, and we actually have some video evidence that Tim Walz has been a defender of China, even

00:13:10.340 going as far as to claim that the nation is not our adversary and that we shouldn't be, uh, interested

00:13:16.100 in fighting with China at all, even though China is sending spies to our country to steal technology,

00:13:22.820 to take it back to China, uh, to, to undercut us, uh, to, to undercut every aspect of our industry

00:13:29.460 and to, uh, pump fentanyl into our country, killing hundreds of thousands of people every single

00:13:35.540 year. Uh, Tim Walz says that China is not an adversary. Well, if you've had a relative die from

00:13:40.500 fentanyl, you can thank China most likely for sending that fentanyl into the country.

00:13:45.620 Let's roll that clip of Walz defending China and get Roger's thoughts focusing on. And I lived in

00:13:50.420 China. And, uh, as I said, I've been there about 30 times, but, uh, if someone tells you and they're

00:13:55.060 an expert on China, they're probably not telling you the truth because it's a complex country,

00:13:58.660 but it's critically important for us. I don't fall into the category that China necessarily needs to be

00:14:03.460 an adversarial relationship. I totally disagree. Uh, you know, this just kind of reminds me of

00:14:09.700 Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who insists, uh, that China is not a military threat to us. Meanwhile,

00:14:16.660 literally tens of thousands of single military age Chinese men are pouring, uh, across our southern

00:14:25.460 border, coming from China first to Ecuador, where there's no visa, uh, requirement, uh, for Chinese

00:14:33.700 immigrants, uh, and then making their way north, uh, through to Panama, through the Darien Gap,

00:14:41.060 and ultimately crossing our border. Why so many single military age Chinese men? And by the way,

00:14:50.260 very, very sophisticated, uh, uh, weaponry. Yet Tim Walz says the situation on our southern border

00:14:58.100 is not a crisis. Two things I'd like to focus on. One is, uh, his military service. He always

00:15:06.580 points out that he's a veteran, but in fact, uh, I'm not sure that, uh, his service stacks up. We've

00:15:13.700 got a pretty good bite here of JD Vance, who addressed this very question, uh, this morning.

00:15:19.620 What really bothers me about Tim Walz as a Marine who served his country in uniform,

00:15:24.260 when the United States Marine Corps, when the United States of America asked me to go to Iraq

00:15:28.180 to serve my country, I did it. I did what they asked me to do, and I did it honorably,

00:15:32.180 and I'm very proud of that service. When Tim Walz was asked by his country to go to Iraq,

00:15:36.340 you know what he did? He dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him,

00:15:40.900 a fact that he's been criticized for aggressively by a lot of the people that he served with.

00:15:45.540 I think it's shameful to prepare your unit to go to Iraq, to make a promise that you're going to

00:15:50.820 follow through, and then to drop out right before you actually have.

00:15:56.100 I think you, you have it, uh, right there, uh, a great contrast. He says he's anxious

00:16:02.260 to debate a JD Vance. I'm anxious to see that as well. You know, I think likability in politics is a

00:16:10.420 key factor. Uh, and, uh, from what I can see, the governor isn't extremely likable. It seems like a

00:16:17.380 bit of a, uh, of a loud mouth kind of a lout. Uh, and then I wonder, I've read about this morning

00:16:23.700 about an incident in which he was arrested for driving while intoxicated, but in order to try to

00:16:30.020 avoid arrest, he pretended like he was deaf. What kind of character is that for a vice president?

00:16:37.220 Well, it's the same kind of, you know, Roger, it's, it's very interesting because I know we

00:16:42.020 are going to get attacked, especially for talking about his military service. And I think, uh, it's

00:16:48.260 important to point out, you know, it's just like Kamala's race. You know, she runs out there and

00:16:52.500 says, I'm African-American. I'm African-American, even though that's not the case. Uh, and, and,

00:16:58.660 you know, we point out saying, well, she's, she says she's Indian and, and not only that,

00:17:04.020 but her father's Jamaican. So that that's not African-American. She's not an African-American.

00:17:08.420 And, and yet, you know, we get attacked for that. And with this stolen, I mean, this is the thing.

00:17:15.060 He makes his military service a centerpiece and he says, oh, I served my country. I served my

00:17:20.420 country. Then you look at the record and it turns out, well, he didn't really. And I find it

00:17:24.420 interesting. This is the same party, Roger, who since the beginning of Trump's career says,

00:17:30.020 oh, they've called him bone spurs, said he dodged the draft, uh, in, in Vietnam. I mean,

00:17:35.300 it's just absurd. They are the most hypocritical group of people on the face of the planet earth.

00:17:41.220 And the idea that the mainstream media just covers for them, a carte blanche does literally anything

00:17:47.300 to make sure that people, uh, don't see the truth. Uh, it's just, it's sickening. And you know,

00:17:52.500 we have another clip I want to play for you here. This was put out. Uh, and, and I think this is

00:17:56.420 very well, the Minnesota Freedom Club. They're the ones that posted this and what, at least that I

00:18:00.580 saw. Uh, and it talks about Waltz's pandemic shutdowns. This guy, um, people have been

00:18:06.420 fleeing Minnesota. You can look it up. Uh, we didn't prepare that for you today, but you can

00:18:10.020 actually look this up. People have been fleeing Minnesota under Tim Waltz's reign. Uh, there,

00:18:14.820 it's one of the many states where people are moving to Texas from, uh, people are moving to

00:18:19.380 Florida from, because they don't want to live in the liberal insanity that has been caused by Tim Waltz,

00:18:26.100 uh, that led to their entire state nearly being burned to the ground in the wake of George Floyd,

00:18:30.900 which he already said he's proud of. Uh, so let's roll a clip showing how, uh, authoritarian this

00:18:37.380 guy turned out to be when COVID-19 hit shutting down businesses, destroying lives all in the name of

00:18:44.020 the common cold. Let's roll that clip. Many of you are out of work. Businesses are shuttered. Families

00:18:48.660 are struggling to pay rent. People are worried about making ends meet. The new restrictions are a big

00:18:52.980 blow to restaurants and bars. It doesn't hit all businesses equally. It's like a tornado that went

00:18:57.380 through and hit restaurants and left other buildings standing. At the beginning of the pandemic,

00:19:02.020 she was forced to close her small business for three months. We're doing everything right. Why do we

00:19:07.620 have to now worry about another closure again? The president of Hospitality Minnesota tells us that

00:19:12.500 restaurants and bars are affiliated with only 2% of COVID cases and should not be unfairly singled out.

00:19:18.580 We're not just randomly targeting these things. The data shows this is how COVID-19 works. The

00:19:24.580 infection rates increase after a set time in the evening. I don't think you can ever set the date

00:19:30.420 on this. Not only did the governor not give a date for lifting restrictions, he also didn't give any

00:19:35.540 metrics he's looking at to make a decision. Get ready to see more and more bankruptcies declared in the

00:19:39.860 month of June. There'll be a ton of them and it's a shame. Shame on the governor for what he did today.

00:19:45.060 Listen, we got some right. We get some wrong. First of all, I want to correct something I said earlier.

00:19:51.620 Governor Walz did eventually call out the Minnesota National Guard,

00:19:56.900 but he delayed for three days while the Twin Cities were burning. According to the Minneapolis

00:20:04.500 Mayor Jacob Frye and records by published by the Star Tribune newspaper, when Frye requested the guard,

00:20:12.820 Governor Walz said he would consider it, but then hesitated. Walz was asked why the National Guard

00:20:19.540 wasn't applied sooner. He suggested that it was the mayor's decision, despite the fact that only the

00:20:27.380 governor has the authority to call out the National Guard. Walz says he was reluctant to mobilize the

00:20:34.020 National Guard because he thought it might look oppressive, saying,

00:20:38.260 I will not patronize you as a white man without having lived your experiences. Following the George

00:20:47.860 Floyd riots, Walz reneged on his promise to provide the police with more resources, instead called for

00:20:56.180 wide ranging political reform that included shifting police resources away from enforcement to community

00:21:04.980 engagement, whatever that is. He says that crime went up under Donald Trump. I don't know how he can

00:21:13.700 ignore the crime spikes in his own state. All right, let's continue. What else have we got here?

00:21:20.260 By the way, folks, J.C. Hawkins, a great author, a longtime friend of mine, who's written a series that

00:21:27.860 really exposes the deep state, is going to join us almost momentarily here at the Stone Zone. You

00:21:34.500 definitely want to stay tuned for that. Troy, let's wrap up on Tim Walz, who I think is going to turn out

00:21:43.220 to be a drag on this ticket. Well, Roger, I agree with you, and I think he's not going over well,

00:21:49.220 and it's going over like a lead balloon. And we are also still, you know, I think there's a lot of

00:21:53.620 decisions being made in the eye of the storm. You talk about it all the time. It's very hard to make

00:21:58.180 polling data surrounding a major event and replacing a president this late in the game. I don't think

00:22:05.940 it's never happened before. And the idea that we're still kind of polling in the eye of the storm is

00:22:11.780 giving benefit to these people. But as we get out of that, and people really start to examine, okay,

00:22:17.140 four years of Trump, I saw what I saw, four years of Biden, and this would be worse than Biden,

00:22:22.260 I think by all accounts that we're seeing. You know, I think the decision is clear. Now, Roger,

00:22:27.620 you had the honor of working for President Richard Nixon, President Ronald Reagan, and of course,

00:22:35.540 President Donald Trump. And I saw an ad yesterday that I really wanted to get your thoughts on,

00:22:40.180 because I think it's important that we don't just focus on Tim Walz and the Democrats, but we show

00:22:44.820 what the Trump campaign is doing as well. And they put out a very special ad that included former

00:22:50.340 President Ronald Reagan and his messaging. A very powerful ad. I wanted to play this

00:22:55.540 and get your thoughts because it's such a unique perspective that you have knowing both men

00:22:59.700 as you did. So please roll that clip and let's get Roger's thoughts on the back half.

00:23:03.860 Please welcome President Ronald Reagan, who has a few questions for you.

00:23:10.580 All of you will go to the polls, who stand there in the polling place and make a decision.

00:23:17.460 I think when you make that decision, it might be well if you would ask yourself,

00:23:22.020 are you better off than you were four years ago? Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the

00:23:29.460 stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment in the country than there was

00:23:35.460 four years ago? Is America as respected throughout the world as it was? Do you feel that our security

00:23:45.460 is as safe, that we're as strong as we were four years ago?

00:23:50.740 If you don't think that this course that we've been on for the last four years is what you would

00:23:55.300 like to see us follow for the next four? Then I could suggest another choice that you have.

00:24:02.500 President Trump, he'll make America great again.

00:24:12.980 Well, Troy, I have to admit that the video brings back many fond memories because, of course, I worked in

00:24:19.220 three national presidential campaigns for Ronald Reagan among our greatest presidents. But I really

00:24:26.660 think in there lies the key to this election, which is not name-calling. Now that we have basically outed

00:24:35.220 Kamala Harris for her shifting ethnicity for political expediency and benefit, I think most Americans get it.

00:24:44.180 She's a phony. And they have a huge problem in her inability to speak. She can't talk extemporaneously.

00:24:53.140 She's just not capable of it. Even now, I notice, when she lands at an airport and she has a brief

00:25:01.460 interface with the press, she reads from a notebook. They don't set up a teleprompter because it's too

00:25:07.860 brief, but she reads from a notebook. Since she was selected as the nominee of the Democrat Party,

00:25:15.060 no press conference, no one-on-one interview with any real reporter. I guess the strategy here

00:25:24.500 is to try to hide her for the next 90-plus days. I don't think that's going to work.

00:25:31.300 It worked in 2020 because of the COVID-19 vaccination, pardon me, the COVID-19 pandemic,

00:25:39.940 but I don't think it will work now. And this kabuki dance about debates is actually almost laughable.

00:25:48.740 Donald Trump never agreed to a September 10th debate with Kamala Harris with ABC. He agreed to a debate

00:25:57.940 with Joe Biden. Joe Biden is no longer in the race. Yet Donald Trump had the courage to go into the arena

00:26:07.460 in CNN under very disadvantageous debate rules. Why can't Kamala Harris do the Fox debate? The truth is,

00:26:18.420 she doesn't want to debate. Her handlers know that a debate is potentially fatal for her candidacy.

00:26:26.260 So watch them try to hide her. They're going to showcase her in tightly controlled situations

00:26:32.980 where she speaks only off the teleprompter. They're never going to let her speak extemporaneously,

00:26:38.900 and they're going to play games to try to avoid ever having any real debate. All right, we have to

00:26:46.340 leave our discussion of Tim Walz and his selection there. I'm going to take a very quick commercial break,

00:26:52.980 and then we're going to go to JC Hawkins, an amazing author, who's written a terrific series of books

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00:27:56.180 and America is plunged into darkness. No internet, no cell phones, no refrigeration for your food,

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00:30:45.700 All right. JC Hawkins is an extraordinary author. He's a communications expert. His past careers include

00:30:58.100 work as a newspaper reporter, a corporate executive, a public relations entrepreneur, and an author.

00:31:05.700 In September of 2017, he published what I thought was one of the most incredible books that I've ever

00:31:12.420 read. It's called Betrayal at Bethesda, and it involves the intertwined fates of James Forrestal.

00:31:21.700 He was a secretary of defense who it is claimed committed suicide by jumping out of a window. Also,

00:31:30.660 Senator Joseph McCarthy and Senator, later president, John F. Kennedy, all of whom ended their lives

00:31:40.420 at the Bethesda medical facility outside of Washington, D.C. I'm really very happy to have JC Hawkins

00:31:50.500 join us today in The Stone Zone to talk about his three books and how they really expose the deep

00:31:59.060 state, which is still in full operation today. JC, welcome to The Stone Zone. Great. Thanks so much,

00:32:07.140 Roger. It's always a pleasure to speak with you, and I appreciate the kind words you've said about my work.

00:32:12.740 When I started the first book, Betrayal at Bethesda, The Intertwined Fates of James Forrestal, Joseph

00:32:22.900 McCarthy, and John F. Kennedy, I did it with the thought in mind that all the research and books

00:32:30.020 that have been written about the assassination of President Kennedy looked at it as an isolated,

00:32:36.820 one-off event, an aberration in our political life. And as I researched a lot of history in the Cold

00:32:47.300 War and found out the ties among Forrestal, McCarthy, and Kennedy, I realized they had very strong

00:32:55.300 personal ties and political ties. They formed the vanguard in the fight against communism domestically and

00:33:03.060 globally. And I found it very odd that within a 14-year period of time, they all died under horrible

00:33:11.300 circumstances and their bodies all wound up in the same place, the National Naval Medical Center in

00:33:18.340 Bethesda, Maryland, which got me to thinking about betrayal because Forrestal and McCarthy were both

00:33:27.060 murdered in that hospital, which I conclusively proved. And Kennedy, we know what happened to him,

00:33:34.340 but he then underwent a fraudulent autopsy at that hospital, which has gone on to create a whole host of

00:33:44.820 problems in the official narrative put out by the Warren Commission. So it got me to thinking is that

00:33:51.780 we have had a history of political murders in this country that are all connected. Kennedy's murder was

00:33:59.860 part of a continuum of these murders, and they're all being done by what we can now call the deep state.

00:34:07.220 So after the first book, I continued my research, found out more and more about the deaths of these men,

00:34:14.260 and then realized there were other people involved, like General George Patton. He was murdered.

00:34:19.620 And so I began to put all the pieces together, and I wrote a second book, Betrayal of Bethesda,

00:34:27.220 two origins of the modern deep state and fake news. And I did it with the idea that people think

00:34:35.460 the deep state and fake news are some modern creation, something that just happened within the last

00:34:41.700 few years. Well, they've been going on throughout our whole lifetime, is what I've concluded.

00:34:47.700 And then just last fall, I came out with my latest book, Betrayal of Bethesda III,

00:34:54.660 the deep state sellout of the American Republic. So I've been able to trace the murders all the way back

00:35:02.580 to President William McKinley at the turn of the century in 1901, which is just a shocking cover up that

00:35:15.300 went on then. And the deep state was very much involved in that murder. But that's when they

00:35:21.460 came up with the idea of the lone nut gunman, who is responsible for all these horrible crimes,

00:35:28.340 which is just absurd.

00:35:31.620 This is a very interesting point. Let's talk about the murder of McKinley for a second.

00:35:36.420 And it's interesting that Theodore Roosevelt, who had been mayor of New York City, New York City

00:35:43.380 police commissioner, governor of New York, but was a reformer, kind of deeply distrusted by the

00:35:51.380 stalwart old guard in the Republican Party that was used to the Port of New York being a source of

00:35:58.660 great patronage, decided that the way to get rid of TR was to put him on the national ticket as vice

00:36:05.700 president. Then he would no longer be governor and no longer be able to insist on reforms and integrity

00:36:15.220 in the operation of New York City's Port. Amazingly, he was also obviously a huge critic of

00:36:24.340 of the trusts and those who abused their economic power on Wall Street. They called him a damn cowboy.

00:36:31.780 Let's get rid of that damn cowboy, the political bosses said when they made him vice president

00:36:37.300 to William McKinley. Now, McKinley is an interesting figure because he really

00:36:42.340 ran the first semi-modern political campaign. Although he, McKinley, did not stump the country,

00:36:51.380 what would happen is McKinley would come out on his porch in Canton, Ohio, and Republican delegations

00:36:59.220 of voters from around the country on a daily basis would visit McKinley's home. He would come out on

00:37:05.700 the porch and make a speech. One day it might be the California Republicans. The next day it might be the

00:37:11.700 New Jersey Republicans. This is how politics worked. It was actually considered unseemly for presidential

00:37:19.300 candidates to stump. In fact, presidential candidates rarely attended the Republican or Democrat national

00:37:27.060 convention. What would happen is the convention would nominate a candidate and then they would

00:37:32.180 designate a delegation of party leaders to travel to the candidate's home to inform them that they had

00:37:38.740 been nominated and they would give their acceptance speech again from their home. So what did you learn

00:37:47.700 about the assassination of McKinley? This is fascinating. The assassin who was captured immediately after

00:37:57.860 the shooting was an anarchist and he claimed that he was a disciple of Emma Goldman who was a noted anarchist

00:38:09.140 communist and communist who lectured around the country and he had attended one or more of her lectures and been

00:38:16.740 inspired, he claims, to do what he did. Well, as it turns out, Goldman and some of her associates actually raised

00:38:29.380 money to pay Liliana Golgosh to kill McKinley. And one of the plotters, a guy named David Kaplan, later,

00:38:41.220 about 10 years later confessed to being part of the plot to kill McKinley. And the government at that point

00:38:48.580 had established the narrative of the Lone Nut gunman, so they didn't even bother looking into it again.

00:38:54.740 But a researcher and a historical writer in Buffalo, New York, had done a lot of the research on this and I'd found

00:39:03.700 one of his books and was fascinated that really there were people behind Emma Goldman. She had bankers who were

00:39:15.620 funding her as well. There were certain banking interests in New York that not only

00:39:24.740 funded her but funded the communist revolution in Russia against the Romanov dynasty. What most people

00:39:34.660 don't realize is that was financed by wealthy bankers in New York City, including one of them named Rockefeller.

00:39:45.700 Extraordinary. Before we talk about the obvious next step here, which is the attempted assassination

00:39:52.180 of Donald Trump. They don't teach history in the schools anymore. It's actually quite sad.

00:39:59.300 But let's focus for a moment on Secretary of Defense James Forrestal. They claim that he fell from a 16th

00:40:08.100 floor window at a building at the Bethesda Medical Center. What was the motive in what to me appears to be his murder?

00:40:19.140 Robert Stahl was very critical of some of the policies of the Roosevelt administration

00:40:28.260 during World War II and then what was afterward the denazification policies that were carried out in

00:40:38.100 Germany. And he, after he had served as Secretary of Defense, he was burned out. He was tired of the

00:40:47.700 government infighting. And so he was independently wealthy and he had decided that he was going to retire

00:40:56.980 from government service. And he was going to launch either a magazine or a newspaper that he would be

00:41:07.700 able to expound on his views of what's going on within the government, as well as his views on

00:41:16.580 international communism, which he felt was a dire threat to our country.

00:41:21.460 Robert Stahl, Jr.: Well, the idea of an independent James Forrestal outside the confines of government,

00:41:28.500 being able to share what he knew about a number of things, including the treachery at Pearl Harbor

00:41:37.860 that was carried out by the Roosevelt administration, and about the plans, the Morgenthau

00:41:45.780 plan that was going to destroy Germany after World War II and turn it into essentially just a poverty

00:41:53.780 stricken country that could never recover. I mean, he had a number of things he could write about. And

00:42:00.900 he was a popular figure in some circles because he was a wealthy banker in Wall Street, New York,

00:42:11.220 and had a lot of contacts across the country. So he was clearly a threat to the powers that be. And that's

00:42:19.220 why they put him in the hospital at Bethesda, pumped him full of drugs. And as I reveal in my latest book,

00:42:29.060 Robert Stahl, Jr.: He may have been subject subjected to some very harsh interrogation

00:42:36.740 techniques to find out what he actually knew. And shortly after that is when he went out the window.

00:42:42.820 Robert Stahl, Jr.: Now, the Navy conducted a review of the incident and just said, basically,

00:42:50.740 they don't know exactly what happened. They just know he fell and went out the window.

00:42:54.740 Robert Stahl, Jr.: But right away, the fake news went into operation, Drew Pearson and others saying

00:43:00.740 he committed suicide. And they made up a phony story about him copying a poem in a notebook,

00:43:09.780 which turns out we and other friends of mine can prove it's a total forgery. What they claim was his

00:43:18.580 handwriting. You know, Forrestal was a threat to the powers that be and he had to be eliminated.

00:43:26.500 And they threw him out the window.

00:43:28.100 Robert Stahl, Jr.: Yeah, it's, I do recall reading there was no reports of him being depressed.

00:43:34.740 There was no indication that he was psychologically in a state where he would take his own life.

00:43:41.700 It's always been extremely suspicious. Now let's focus for a moment if we can on

00:43:47.540 Robert Stahl, Jr.: Senator Joseph McCarthy. Now McCarthy goes to Bethesda with a relatively minor malady,

00:43:55.300 but he never comes out. And there's a very difficult book to find by Medford Evans on the assassination

00:44:05.140 of Joe McCarthy, who I think was killed Bethesda. But walk us through that very quickly.

00:44:11.220 Robert Stahl, Jr.: McCarthy had suffered an injury in World War II to his knee and had had problems on and

00:44:19.860 off with it. And it was acting up. So he decided on a Sunday to go to the hospital. He was as a veteran

00:44:28.020 Marine. He could go to Bethesda and get treatment. He went there with a knee injury.

00:44:34.820 Robert Stahl, Jr.: And he was admitted for neuropathy in his knee. And then shortly after that,

00:44:44.340 he was transferred to another part of the hospital. And they said he had hepatitis. Well, that's not why

00:44:52.980 he went to the hospital. But once he got there, that's what they said his problem was. And they started

00:44:58.500 treating him for jauntus and hepatitis, put him in an oxygen tent. And this is how I figured out how they

00:45:06.420 killed him. One of the common fluids used for cleaning at the time was carbon tetrachloride,

00:45:14.500 which was ubiquitous in a hospital setting. And if you could vaporize carbon tetrachloride,

00:45:23.300 you can essentially destroy someone's liver if they inhale enough of the fumes. Well,

00:45:30.740 what better way than to put that into the oxygen tent while the man was sleeping? And he very quickly

00:45:39.300 developed a very severe liver condition and ultimately went into convulsions and died from it.

00:45:46.740 And right away, the fake news, Drew Pearson said, oh, he drank himself to death. It was cirrhosis.

00:45:54.180 Well, no, the actual report from the hospital, the official statement from the hospital was he

00:46:01.700 died from a form of hepatitis that was non-infectious, which meant he had to have been poisoned.

00:46:14.980 This is a tremendous book, folks, and you need to get it. Interestingly enough, JC,

00:46:20.340 I recently learned in my research for a book I'm working on, on the attempted assassination of

00:46:27.460 Ronald Reagan, that Reagan is essentially missing for 15 minutes. In other words,

00:46:33.700 James Brady, who is shot at the same time as Reagan, one of the four bullets discharged by

00:46:43.540 John Hinckley Jr., hits Brady in the head. But Brady arrives at George Washington University Hospital

00:46:51.540 15 minutes before Reagan, yet they left at the same time. According to an interview I've now done with

00:46:58.260 the Secret Service agent, now retired, there was an argument among the Secret Service about whether to

00:47:05.220 take President Reagan to Bethesda Medical Center or whether to take him to George Washington University

00:47:12.820 Hospital. The University Hospital was closer, so they ended up going there. But Reagan is literally

00:47:20.180 missing for 15 minutes. Based on your book, I guess I'm glad they didn't take him to Bethesda Medical

00:47:27.300 Center. As I will reveal shortly, Hinckley is always crouching in front of Reagan. He gets off four shots.

00:47:37.060 All four shots are accounted for, yet Reagan was hit from behind and above, I believe using a flechette,

00:47:46.900 which is a weapon that the Central Intelligence Agency admitted during the church hearings that they

00:47:53.140 had developed specifically for the purposes of assassinations. It's a noiseless weapon that shoots

00:48:01.540 a projectile about the size of a dime, often dipped in poison. When the doctors at George Washington

00:48:11.300 University got Reagan there, they immediately conducted an x-ray to find out where the bullet

00:48:16.260 was and they couldn't find a bullet. They began to conclude that there was no bullet, despite the

00:48:21.780 fact that Reagan had a puncture wound from which he was bleeding. Only because one doctor was dissatisfied

00:48:30.260 and decided to open Reagan up and conduct a manual examination did they find the flechette. So this is in my

00:48:41.460 upcoming book, which is entitled Bushwhacked, the real story of the attempted assassination of Ronald

00:48:50.580 Reagan. I think that you particularly will enjoy it. Well, I think there's one thing, if I could interject,

00:48:57.540 Roger, one thing that you might want to consider or think about is what we have in the Reagan assassination is

00:49:05.620 what we had in the Kennedy assassination, a magic bullet. Now supposedly Hinkley fires at Reagan and the story is it

00:49:17.780 hits the door of the limo, ricochets off it and goes into Reagan's armpit. That's about a gazillion to one shot.

00:49:27.140 I mean, the deep state, if they're going to lie, they need to come up with a much better story than that.

00:49:34.260 Well, and as we know, Judy Woodruff, then with NBC, this has been scrubbed from the internet,

00:49:41.460 but I have a copy. She reports seeing a man on a balcony above the entrance of the Hilton Hotel

00:49:49.300 who has what appears to be a gun. If you don't accept the cropped photos you can find online and

00:49:56.020 you find the original photos, you yourself can see this man. It's actually will be published in my

00:50:03.940 upcoming book. So now I have to ask you the obvious question because beyond your first book, you have

00:50:11.380 now published Betrayal at Bethesda 2 and 3, which really does an excellent job of laying out the

00:50:20.180 progress and the continued existence of the deep state. You can call them the military industrial

00:50:27.380 complex as Eisenhower did, or you can call them the deep state. It's the same thing. It's an unelected

00:50:34.180 ruling elite that is burrowed into all aspects of our government, the military, our intelligence

00:50:40.900 agencies. They're also in the think tanks and in the defense contractors. And they have, I think,

00:50:47.380 since 1963 at least, had a heavy hand in the conduct of America. Give us your views on the

00:50:59.060 recent attempted assassination of Donald Trump and the fact that all we seem to be getting is questions

00:51:06.740 and very few answers. We've got about seven minutes. I really want to hear you on this subject.

00:51:14.100 I was not the least bit surprised when it happened because I had been writing for time on my blog,

00:51:21.860 theforgottenstreet.com, my concerns and also in my three books that Trump was clearly in danger of

00:51:29.300 being assassinated. And it was, in my mind, it was not a matter of if, it was a matter of when it was

00:51:35.620 going to happen sooner or later, because it's, he's clearly posed such a threat to the deep state.

00:51:42.740 You know, they, they can only steal so many elections at some point, they, they're going to figure out

00:51:48.020 they've got to find a way to totally eliminate him. And this is by no means the only time they're going to

00:51:53.780 try. They've also laid the predicate, Roger, for the next time. Christopher Wray has come out and

00:52:01.700 talked about this Iranian hit team that somehow got into the country. Gee, I wonder, maybe they

00:52:08.260 crossed a border or something. And this Iranian hit team is in this country. And they're, you know,

00:52:15.380 worried about it, maybe they're going to go after Trump. Well, instead of a sniper trying to take out

00:52:21.940 Trump the next time, how about if it's an IED or a drone or something else that the deep state can do

00:52:30.180 and blame on the Iranians? They've laid down the predicate for how they can get away with it the

00:52:37.380 next time. A very shrewd observation. I caught the same thing. So within days, I think about 48 hours

00:52:47.620 of Reagan being shot, pardon me, at Trump being shot at, they do a couple things. First of all,

00:52:53.940 they begin the, the entire assassination denial thing, where people all over social media,

00:53:02.900 including some who should know better. Joy Reid at MSNBC claimed that there was no attempted

00:53:08.900 assassination attempt on Reagan. This was all staged. It was a styop. He, he bit some capsule to simulate the

00:53:16.580 blood that was smeared all over his face and ear. Really irresponsible and kind of nutty. But they

00:53:24.020 immediately announced this Iranian plot, kind of laying, as you point out, the groundwork. So if there

00:53:30.980 is another attack on Trump, which many, many Christian prophets have predicted right here on this show,

00:53:38.180 well, we can blame the Iranians. This is deeply disturbing. At the same time, Fox has a story that says

00:53:46.100 that Iran is trying to infiltrate and interfere in Donald Trump's presidential campaign. I find that

00:53:53.780 very curious as well. Kind of like the early stories about Russian collusion and interference that turned

00:54:01.300 out to be non-existent. So a final question here, I guess. Do you think we'll ever get to the bottom

00:54:09.220 of who and why this attack on Donald Trump and whether the government was indeed, as I believe, complicit,

00:54:21.380 essentially let this happen? What is your view?

00:54:24.900 Well, the cover-up went into operation almost immediately. And on my blog, theforgottenstreet.com,

00:54:34.580 I've written in a column about all the questions that are unanswered that were so apparently obvious.

00:54:41.060 And one of them is the FBI immediately came out and said they identified the shooter using DNA.

00:54:49.460 And I'm thinking to myself, well, what database would this kid have been in

00:54:53.860 that they would have his DNA? Or was he someone already known to them? And then what happened to

00:55:00.420 his body? And I had raised a question, have they done an autopsy to see if the kid had drugs in his

00:55:06.900 system? And what's happened to the body? Has it been released to the family for a funeral? Well,

00:55:13.540 all these questions are unanswered. Now, I saw a story today, I guess it was on Gateway Pundit, that

00:55:21.460 they did an autopsy in Pittsburgh, which is the big city close to Butler, and that then they sent

00:55:31.300 the results back to the Butler County coroner for him to handle. Well, under Pennsylvania law,

00:55:39.060 an autopsy is performed in Allegheny County in Pittsburgh. It's a public document, and the media

00:55:47.460 asked to receive it, they are to be given the autopsy report. Well, they've asked and they've been

00:55:53.700 stonewalled and told, oh, you have to get that from Butler County. So the cover-up is well underway.

00:56:01.060 And the only way we may ever know what happened in the Trump assassination attempt is if Trump gets

00:56:08.180 elected and then he can dig into it with an investigation of his own. Other than that,

00:56:14.100 we'll probably never know. I tend to agree. Troy, we got about two minutes, three minutes here. You

00:56:21.140 want to finish this off with our great guest, J.C. Hawkins? Absolutely. And, sir, you mentioned

00:56:28.020 something that kind of caught my ear, and I think about this quite a bit, and that's the death of

00:56:33.060 General George Patton. And I think Patton, you know, he dies in a car accident, a very strange

00:56:38.820 circumstance. And I think he was killed. And I think he was killed because he was a threat

00:56:43.140 to the very threat that you mentioned, international communism. That really is the biggest threat and the

00:56:49.060 string from all the way from this attempted assassination on Trump all the way back to 1901

00:56:54.100 and William McKinley. That international communism, these are the forces that are really doing this,

00:56:58.660 aren't they? Absolutely. And what we've seen now with the deep state is they've taken capitalism and

00:57:06.260 communism and blended it into a form of global fascism. This is what they want to have, a one-world

00:57:13.780 government that will blend capitalism, communism together into global fascism in which a small,

00:57:22.020 select, ruling elite will control everything. They'll control politics and our economics,

00:57:29.220 you name it, and how we live, our morals, our moral code. And if I could interject one thing before,

00:57:37.860 I don't want to miss, is we were talking about Walsh earlier and how he's trotted out this idea that

00:57:47.220 somehow J.D. Vance is weird, you know. And I'm thinking now, if they think what we believe and the

00:57:55.620 ideals that we follow are weird, then what's really disturbing is, then what do they think is normal?

00:58:05.860 If they think what we are is weird, what do they consider normal? And that's really disturbing.

00:58:13.860 Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, cutting off the genitals of school children, of school-aged

00:58:20.500 children without their parents' knowledge or consent, I'd say that's weird. I'd say that's

00:58:26.260 about as weird as it gets. All right, I'm afraid we have to wrap it up. Folks, all three of these

00:58:32.100 books, Betrayal, Bethesda 1, 2, and 3, I highly commend them to you. Also, go to theforgottenstreet.com,

00:58:40.660 which is J.C. Hawkins' lively blog. We're going to see if we can arrange to sell these books at the

00:58:48.420 store at stonezone.com. That's how strongly I feel about how great they are. And J.C., I really

00:58:56.020 appreciate your joining us today. My pleasure. We're going to have you back. God bless you,

00:59:01.620 my friend. All right, folks, that's kind of it for us today. I want to thank you for joining us

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