The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Donald Trump Will Face Jail For The Constitution & Free Speech – Owen Shroyer Enters The StoneZONE!

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.

00:00:09.560 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:13.180 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:19.340 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:24.880 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:30.000 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:35.600 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:43.080 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:48.820 Well, all eyes are on the tumultuous New York City case of Donald J. Trump.

00:00:56.720 Shocking news this morning that Stormy Daniels, the adult movie actress who is embroiled in this case, will be appearing as a witness.

00:01:09.060 Also, yesterday, we seemed to be at a flashpoint.

00:01:13.540 Judge Juan Merchant has vowed to incarcerate Donald Trump if he dares to violate the gag order placed on him by the judge.

00:01:25.020 And Trump essentially said he's prepared to go to jail because, well, free speech and the Constitution are important.

00:01:33.760 Here to break both of these items down and also give us a general political overview of everything happening today,

00:01:42.980 first is my co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News.

00:01:51.460 Roger, as always, it's an honor to be here in the Stone Zone.

00:01:53.940 All right, but even a greater honor for us, Owen Schroyer, who hosts the War Room show at InfoWars.com every day at 4 o'clock Central, 5 o'clock Eastern, also joins us today in the Stone Zone.

00:02:11.080 Happy to be back, Roger. Nice hat.

00:02:13.700 What a fine-looking hat that is.

00:02:16.000 A hat.

00:02:16.840 All right, gentlemen, let's take a quick look at Donald Trump last night outside the courtroom. 0.93

00:02:25.840 And it's a disgrace.

00:02:27.840 And then you have the other thing that maybe is even more disgraceful is the gag order,

00:02:32.760 where I can't basically, I have to watch every word I tell you people.

00:02:37.200 You ask me a question, a simple question, I'd like to give it, but I can't talk about it.

00:02:41.640 Because this judge has given me a gag order and said, you'll go to jail if you violate it.

00:02:48.580 And frankly, you know what?

00:02:49.820 Our Constitution is much more important than jail.

00:02:52.620 It's not even close.

00:02:54.880 I'll do that sacrifice any day.

00:02:57.880 But what's happening here is a disgrace that the appellate courts ought to get involved.

00:03:02.600 New York looks so bad.

00:03:03.920 I think it lays it out pretty well.

00:03:10.340 The judge was not backing off yesterday, starting with you, Owen.

00:03:15.440 Do you think Donald Trump will actually go to jail?

00:03:20.200 I like this strategy from Trump, daring the judge to put him in jail and let's see what happens next.

00:03:27.560 Obviously, all the persecution has only increased Donald Trump's poll numbers.

00:03:32.680 And I think that Trump is really thinking like a politician now.

00:03:36.820 I know it is turning a lot of his supporters kind of off, if you will.

00:03:43.060 But he is acting as a politician.

00:03:44.820 He's trying to win an election.

00:03:46.940 And so daring the judge to do this, I think, is a bold move.

00:03:51.120 If they do put him in prison, it makes him the number one story, maybe even in the world.

00:03:57.420 And again, his poll numbers will go up.

00:03:59.660 He'll have record fundraising.

00:04:02.560 I guess they'll hold him in there until the next day's court hearings and then maybe release him after that.

00:04:09.580 I don't know.

00:04:10.440 I guess it depends on what the judge decides, how desperate they are to keep him silent.

00:04:14.800 But that's really what this is about.

00:04:16.420 So daring the judge to incarcerate him, I think, is a bold strategy.

00:04:20.060 I like it.

00:04:21.300 I don't know if the judge is going to follow through with it.

00:04:23.800 So now you're going to make him look weak when he doesn't do it.

00:04:28.100 And for Donald Trump right now, really, it's almost like he can do no wrong.

00:04:32.620 I mean, his supporters are going to be with him no matter what.

00:04:35.320 The more they persecute him, the more donations and voters he's going to pick up along the way.

00:04:41.020 But as he laid out in that speech, this whole thing is obviously political.

00:04:45.580 And the more they do to him, the more obvious it is that the whole thing is political.

00:04:49.840 And what Donald Trump is going through, unfortunately, is something that I've experienced before with Alex Jones and Infowars and what the left would love to do to everybody.

00:05:00.180 They want to be able to politically persecute you, hold the jail over your head, and basically threaten you with that to say you're going to shut up, you're going to stop campaigning, you're not going to run for office, you're going to shut down your show, you're going to shut down your media network.

00:05:16.400 And so this is the intimidation tactics that the left engage in.

00:05:20.020 So I say good for Donald Trump.

00:05:22.440 It's a bold strategy.

00:05:23.420 I think he means it.

00:05:24.520 I think he's leaning into it.

00:05:26.020 And I don't think the judge is going to follow through, quite frankly.

00:05:29.540 And if he does, then, quite frankly, politically, there's going to be held to pay for the Democrats.

00:05:36.260 I think that's a very shrewd analysis.

00:05:40.220 Troy, what's your take on it?

00:05:42.420 Roger, you said something that was pretty interesting yesterday that I'd like you to kind of expand on, and it was about the Secret Service protection.

00:05:49.580 Now, they're threatening Trump with jail time here, but he has Secret Service protection that's required to be protecting him at 24-7.

00:05:57.540 So if he is put in jail, is the Secret Service also going to jail with him?

00:06:03.060 I think that kind of goes to what Owen's pointing out there is that I think Trump is calling the bluff here.

00:06:08.860 I think that there's really – if the Democrats really wanted to hand Trump something like they did with the mugshot, they would put him in jail because I think that would only increase the visibility of his case and the political prosecution that's going on against him.

00:06:23.740 And I think it would also rally support around him.

00:06:27.620 But, Roger, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the Secret Service thing because I think that kind of speaks to the ridiculousness of this entire situation.

00:06:34.620 Yeah, I can't even speak to how logistically that could possibly work.

00:06:39.780 Look, you're in a point here where neither side can really back down.

00:06:45.220 The judge, if Trump does violate the gag order again, which is virtually a certainty, will show that he's powerless if he doesn't try to incarcerate him.

00:06:58.080 Trump, I think, has the high ground here.

00:07:01.620 Nowhere does it say that if you're charged with a crime that you're subjected to a gag order.

00:07:08.020 In my case, the judge not only imposed a gag order on me, but every single member of my family, my wife, my adult children, also it extended to my supporters.

00:07:22.120 Well, that could have included Owen Schroyer or Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson.

00:07:27.780 The judge was incensed, by the way, when any of those three people commented on my case, just made her wild, as if federal judges in this country are immune to criticism.

00:07:39.880 You're not allowed to criticize them.

00:07:43.180 And then they were very clever in what they did.

00:07:45.680 I immediately filed a writ of mandamus, challenging the constitutionality of the gag order.

00:07:53.760 The appeals court in D.C. sat on it for nine months, nine months while I was sustaining damage from The Washington Post and CNN and MSNBC virtually every day with a torrent of falsehoods.

00:08:07.540 He's a Russian spy.

00:08:08.540 He's a Russian intelligence asset.

00:08:13.540 And then at the just days before my trial, the judge, the appeals court ruled that my motion was not ripe for consideration because I had not first asked the judge who placed the gag order on me to remove the gag order, which, of course, she never would have done.

00:08:34.400 So this is this is a game sooner or later.

00:08:38.560 We're going to get a ruling on the constitutionality of the so-called gag order, because I believe that they are greatly unconstitutional.

00:08:48.280 By the way, they're supposed to be put in place to protect the defendant, not to not to perfect to to not because of the jury pool, but to protect the defendant.

00:09:01.720 And Trump is I've known him 45 years.

00:09:07.580 I can see that look in his eye.

00:09:09.620 I think he has reached his saturation point here today could be an extraordinarily cataclysmic day.

00:09:18.960 Well, and Roger, especially if they bring Stormy into the courtroom here.

00:09:23.880 I mean, this is going to be a joke.

00:09:25.440 And obviously, they're going to bring up the signed statement that she made.

00:09:28.760 I want to get back to what Troy brought up earlier, though, because this is actually a very important point.

00:09:34.220 The way the flow of I mean, let's say power for lack of a better term or security for lack of a better term, the way the flow of security works with Donald Trump is that Secret Service has the ultimate upper hand.

00:09:46.260 And so virtually, Troy, what will happen in a situation if Trump is incarcerated is that Secret Service will take over that prison and they will basically now have the power to determine what goes on in that prison, who comes in, who comes out, who gets access to the president, how that all goes down.

00:10:08.200 And that's basically the flow of security dealing with that.

00:10:12.280 So obviously, as Roger said, that's a logistical nightmare, but it's a logistical nightmare that Secret Service working for Donald Trump is going to be in charge of.

00:10:22.480 And so really, it's a situation that, I mean, you really wouldn't even want to deal with.

00:10:27.280 But again, what are we talking about here?

00:10:29.340 We're talking about a judge wanting to silence a defendant.

00:10:34.060 That's what we're talking about.

00:10:35.260 We're talking about a judge that wants a defendant to shut up.

00:10:39.960 This is obviously a constitutional issue.

00:10:42.500 This is obviously a First Amendment issue.

00:10:45.500 But this is what goes on in authoritarian regimes.

00:10:49.520 Find me the man and I'll find you the crime.

00:10:52.400 Donald Trump is the man.

00:10:53.860 They can't find the crime.

00:10:55.300 So they just haul him into a courtroom all day long and say, you're not allowed to talk about this.

00:10:59.600 I mean, imagine that.

00:11:00.460 You're an innocent man and you can't even say you're innocent.

00:11:03.820 What happened till innocent, till proven guilty?

00:11:06.440 So this whole thing is beyond a sham.

00:11:09.140 And it's, you know, look, for Donald Trump personally, it's unfortunate he has to go through this.

00:11:13.560 For the country, we're seeing how corrupt, I think, that our justice system is and maybe more specifically the Democrat Party is.

00:11:20.480 But this needed to happen.

00:11:22.080 People needed to see this.

00:11:23.520 They needed to see how corrupt it all is.

00:11:25.380 They needed to see how Democrats on a bench or in a courtroom as a prosecutor, hell, as a teacher, wherever they are, as a doctor, they're Democrat, liberal, extremist activists before anything else, including their important role as a judge.

00:11:42.160 So Trump is going through this personally.

00:11:44.120 We're learning this the hard way.

00:11:45.300 But, yes, secret security will take over whatever prison they decide to put Trump in.

00:11:51.560 That's how the flow of power works, the flow of security works.

00:11:55.320 And, you know, what are they going to do when they bring Stormy Daniels up there and the Trump defense shows the document with her signature that says, yeah, none of this ever happened?

00:12:03.700 A document, I might point out, that the judge ordered Trump to remove from his Truth Social post.

00:12:13.900 I've actually now seen that there are two different documents where she says in writing that none of these things actually transpired.

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00:15:04.960 Welcome back, folks.

00:15:06.740 If you're just tuning in, this is the Stone Zone.

00:15:10.140 I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith from Slingshot.news, and our special guest, Owen Schroyer, from the War Room on InfoWars.

00:15:19.920 In the early days of the trial, a lawyer named Keith Davidson, who had been the attorney for Stormy Daniels and who arranged the settlement with Michael Cohen, testified at trial.

00:15:37.140 But what he was not asked was whether or not it was accurate that he was arrested in an FBI sting regarding a group of people who sought to extort Hulk Hogan over a sex tape.

00:15:56.140 And that he essentially avoided prosecution in that case by agreeing to testify against the president in this case.

00:16:08.620 I believe it was Davidson who actually tipped the feds off to Cohen and his activities.

00:16:14.620 Now, tomorrow, right here on the Stone Zone, Bubba Clem, that's right, Bubba the Love Sponge, who was involved in that entire controversy, will be right here to outline the role of Keith Davidson and Michael Cohen.

00:16:32.100 I think it's fair to say that there's some evidence that Cohen himself may have been the one who had a relationship with Stormy and that Cohen himself may have been paying her for his own protection.

00:16:46.900 But I guess that's something we will learn in the trial.

00:16:52.020 Troy, let's move on with the political front here.

00:16:56.280 I want to get Owen's thoughts on some of the most important stories of the day.

00:17:01.760 Well, Roger, this is something that President Trump discussed outside of the courthouse today.

00:17:06.180 And Owen, too, I want to get your opinion on this because he's making the case, as this CNN contributor does, that the proof of falsifying records, the centerpiece of this case, has not been accomplished yet.

00:17:18.100 So let's run that clip from CNN that the president discussed this morning.

00:17:21.000 Well, her testimony was important because it starts to connect some of the dots, and that is, you know, can you actually put a pen in Donald Trump's hand?

00:17:30.100 Can you put a check in his hand under his signature?

00:17:32.240 But that really is not the crux of the government's case.

00:17:35.780 The case deals with heavy falsified records as it relates to federal election law.

00:17:41.920 And so that has not been accomplished yet.

00:17:45.500 Roger, your thoughts?

00:17:46.480 You know, I don't know whether in the end this case is going to turn on large items or small.

00:17:55.220 You have a fundamental problem, as I said earlier.

00:17:59.300 Even if Trump were guilty of falsifying these records, which he vehemently denies, this would be, at worst, a civil business records case.

00:18:10.040 It only becomes a criminal case, a felony, if that act was in furtherance of some other criminal conspiracy.

00:18:19.080 But very much like my trial, in which I was never allowed to prove, through the use of forensic evidence and expert testimony,

00:18:28.880 that there was never any online hack of the DNC by the Russians or anyone else.

00:18:36.380 In this case, Trump is restricted by the judge from letting the jury know that the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York

00:18:48.120 already investigated all of these matters and elected to bring no charges,

00:18:54.300 probably because they also couldn't find the underlying crime and because Cohen is so unreliable as a witness.

00:19:02.700 But also, the Federal Election Commission investigated these matters and found no violation of law.

00:19:11.580 So, again, Trump is restricted from letting the jury know any of those things.

00:19:18.320 It just shows you the extent to which this is a rigged proceeding.

00:19:24.140 Owen?

00:19:24.360 Owen?

00:19:24.500 Well, you know, it's amazing how many people don't even understand the basics of this case, right?

00:19:31.560 I mean, the propaganda media wants you to just think, oh, hush money case, hush money case, hush money case.

00:19:36.820 But the details behind that are really important to understand, as you briefly heard the attorney lay out there on the CNN clip and then Roger get into.

00:19:46.420 And to step aside from that for a second, when I was reviewing just the, let's say, series of events, the chronology here,

00:19:57.040 I actually landed on the conclusion, and I never said this out loud before until Roger just made this inference a second ago.

00:20:06.200 Was it Cohen that was sleeping with Stormy Daniels?

00:20:09.320 Because, really, when you kind of lay it all out and you look at all the different evidence and the timeline, it looks like it was actually Cohen that was paying for her silence. 0.77

00:20:19.480 So that's an interesting riff in this clown story that we have here.

00:20:24.160 But, no, the details of this case are really forgotten.

00:20:27.760 All the prior chances that New York, the attorney general, the FEC, had to bring this case against Trump and said, there is no case here.

00:20:37.320 We're not going to take it.

00:20:38.660 And then Letitia James runs, says, I'm going to indict Donald Trump if I get elected.

00:20:43.920 That was her campaign promise.

00:20:45.260 So she fulfilled it, didn't have a crime, just said, we're going to go with this.

00:20:49.000 So there's all kinds of dirty deeds that are behind this deal.

00:20:52.500 And when you understand that, you realize that this whole case over, quote, unquote, hush money, well, that's just the nice headline, right?

00:21:01.380 That's just the nice narrative.

00:21:03.240 It's really not even about hush money, especially when Stormy Daniels writes a signed, I mean, essentially an affidavit claiming that there was no hush money.

00:21:12.040 So what we're talking about here is essentially an NDA, and what we're talking about here is something that is very common when it comes to powerful men with a lot of money in positions like this.

00:21:25.900 Sometimes you just want to swat a fly away.

00:21:28.800 Whether the allegations are real or not, you just don't want to deal with a headache.

00:21:33.560 And quite frankly, that's why a lot of women make accusations against men, because they know sometimes that's the approach that the men will take.

00:21:41.160 So if you ask the average person, well, what is this case really about, they wouldn't be able to tell you.

00:21:48.260 I mean, even the CNN hosts probably couldn't tell you, and they basically renamed, MSNBC and CNN have basically renamed their network to the Trump court case network.

00:21:58.820 I mean, that's all they cover 24-7, and they have their bottom lines running and their headlines running.

00:22:03.260 If you flip through the channels on your cable, it'll even say, like, on the box for the programming, you know, Trump case, Trump trial 24-7.

00:22:11.840 So they've basically rewritten their entire programming to cover this thing.

00:22:15.560 And even the people at CNN that are obsessed with this, they could not explain what's actually going on here.

00:22:21.660 And so isn't that what's telling?

00:22:23.540 Everybody knows what this is.

00:22:25.200 This is political persecution of Donald Trump.

00:22:27.600 That's the long and short of it.

00:22:29.940 Whatever means and methods or technicalities or legalese or buzzwords that they're trying to use, it's all irrelevant.

00:22:37.300 This is political persecution of Trump.

00:22:39.480 Everybody knows it.

00:22:41.040 And so that's why, I mean, calling Stormy Daniels as a witness is an interesting strategy.

00:22:45.720 We'll see how that goes.

00:22:47.500 But whatever the conclusion of this case ends up being, which I think is going to be Trump walking, it's going to be another liberal cry fest.

00:22:56.460 They really think that this is it.

00:22:58.240 They really believe. 0.99

00:22:59.140 They really like the smell of their own feces. 0.77

00:23:02.520 And they think that they've finally gotten Donald Trump, just like they've been thinking since 2016.

00:23:08.180 So it's going to be another big letdown for them when Trump walks from this case.

00:23:13.060 Or they, I guess, throw him in jail and say, well, you know, he violated the gag order, so we have to silence him now.

00:23:19.900 It's just crazy. 0.52

00:23:20.940 It's crazy how corrupt it is.

00:23:22.360 And it's even crazier that even the CNN hosts that cover this 24-7, they don't know what's really going on, except they do.

00:23:28.500 It's political persecution of Donald Trump.

00:23:30.260 They just can't say it.

00:23:32.200 Yeah, I think the truth of the matter here is that we're only prosecuting this case because all of their other cases have stalled out.

00:23:41.600 So originally, particularly with the large number of ordered redactions removed from the documents in the so-called documents case, it's looking more and more like a setup.

00:23:56.440 It's looking more and more like the National Archives plotted with Trump's, pardon me, with Biden's White House counsel to set Trump up.

00:24:06.680 Send him a pallet of documents he didn't ask for.

00:24:09.200 As soon as you're sure that he's received them, then report him for being in possession of documents that he's not supposed to have.

00:24:16.940 That was the case that I think was designed to take Trump down.

00:24:24.180 His critics are very unhappy that he, in the luck of the draw, that case was assigned to Judge Eileen Cannon.

00:24:31.980 Oh, my God.

00:24:33.400 An honest judge.

00:24:34.840 A judge committed to the rule of law.

00:24:37.320 A judge who's not down with the anti-Trump agenda.

00:24:43.420 So, of course, what do they say?

00:24:45.020 She's unqualified. 1.00

00:24:46.960 She's biased. 0.90

00:24:48.300 Well, let's be very clear.

00:24:50.300 Paul Manafort and General Flynn and I all went before judges who were appointed by Barack Obama.

00:24:57.100 The Russian collusion hoax in which I was jammed up, even though I did nothing wrong, was born in the office of Barack Obama.

00:25:07.720 But nobody said, oh, but the judge who sits on Flynn's trial or Stone's trial or Manafort's trial, that judge was appointed by Barack Obama.

00:25:18.080 So, you know, that's outrageous.

00:25:20.280 No, that never gets raised.

00:25:23.220 That case, to me, seems to be stalled.

00:25:26.320 Then you have the January 6th case in which Special Counsel Jack Smith very specifically does not charge Trump with insurrection.

00:25:37.340 The one charge for which, if he was convicted, he would be barred from running for president, but charges him with interference in the federal election.

00:25:50.420 But because the court has agreed to give Trump his due process rights and the court has agreed not only firstly to hear the Colorado case that sought to bar him from the ballot, essentially in every state, but also surprisingly agreed to hear the immunity case.

00:26:13.060 That's the question of whether Trump has constitutional immunity from all acts, all official acts, when he was president.

00:26:22.160 Trump will argue that keeping fair, keeping for the enforcement of the law is part of his responsibility as president.

00:26:35.340 And therefore, he's going to argue that all of his actions to ensure an honest election were constitutionally protected.

00:26:42.460 What that means, however, is that Jack Smith is unlikely to get his case to trial before the election.

00:26:50.880 And that is what this is all about.

00:26:53.420 Again, they don't care what they convict him of.

00:26:58.180 They don't care if the conviction is later overturned on appeal because that, they know, would be after the election.

00:27:06.240 So this is what they're down to.

00:27:08.400 This case is the weakest of the cases against him, based on attorneys that I've talked to.

00:27:15.080 But it is it is now at this point their single best chance, they believe, to damage him.

00:27:24.240 I frankly think it's already backfiring badly.

00:27:27.620 On the other hand, it's amazing.

00:27:30.480 On Sunday, he was in Florida.

00:27:34.080 He had returned here to sunny Florida for the weekend on Friday.

00:27:38.680 He went to the Formula One race in Miami, which is like UFC times 12.

00:27:45.920 I mean, it was pandemonium of middle Americans and people who love Donald Trump.

00:27:53.160 He was very much in his element.

00:27:56.020 He got a tumultuous welcome.

00:27:58.680 But then think about it.

00:27:59.880 Instead of going back to Mar-a-Lago, he had to jump on a plane in Miami to fly him to rainy New York, where he arrived after one o'clock in the morning so he can go sit in a trial all week.

00:28:14.060 Think about the the the the stress that puts out a man who, you know, is dying to be on the campaign trail, who's dying to be out there with the people.

00:28:25.520 You can see why he appears angry.

00:28:28.040 He has every right to be angry.

00:28:29.560 Well, and I just want to ask a question, you know, for Roger and Owen here.

00:28:35.100 Do you think that this because they're obviously trying to get some kind of charge to land against him?

00:28:40.680 Do you think that they legitimately think that that's going to be politically effective or do you think that that's going to be used as a just a justification for them to steal the election?

00:28:52.180 Owen, you want to go first?

00:28:53.620 You know, I think trying to analyze what the Democrats are thinking from a reasonable person's perspective is a fool's errand, because these are not reasonable people.

00:29:05.920 Everything.

00:29:07.760 The antithesis of reason is is what the Democrats represent here.

00:29:13.280 So.

00:29:14.660 To try to say, well, what's their strategy?

00:29:17.360 What are they thinking?

00:29:17.860 Their strategy is to just get Trump out of the race, intimidate him, do whatever they can.

00:29:22.660 And maybe they think they can get him to drop out.

00:29:25.280 Maybe they really think they can throw him in prison.

00:29:27.660 But trying to try to figure out the logic or whatever behind it, there really is no logic.

00:29:32.380 It's just that these are people after raw political power.

00:29:36.020 And so that's why they behave the way they behave.

00:29:39.400 It's really not that complicated.

00:29:40.660 And so, I mean.

00:29:43.480 They've been obsessed with this man since he entered the race in 2015.

00:29:47.780 I mean, that's what this is really about.

00:29:48.920 The analogy that I use here, and, you know, not to be crass, but basically the American left, the Democrats, have been politically masturbating themselves over Donald Trump since 2015.

00:30:02.100 And they haven't been able to finish, if you catch my drift.

00:30:06.380 And so they're basically just trying to, you know, rub one off here for more than five years.

00:30:11.680 And, you know, the arm's getting a little tired.

00:30:13.560 And, you know, they're kind of getting sick of it.

00:30:15.780 And they're just, like, waiting for that release.

00:30:18.080 And they need that release.

00:30:19.440 They've been sitting here politically masturbating themselves over this idea of Trump in a prison or Trump dead or Trump losing an election, whatever it is. 0.98

00:30:27.840 And so they've been engaging in this political masturbation technique, and they just need that release. 0.99

00:30:34.020 They just need Trump in prison or they need Trump dead or they need Trump to lose another election. 0.98

00:30:41.100 And so, I mean, that's what we have here.

00:30:43.940 And I don't think it's going to go the way they want it to.

00:30:46.240 But, I mean, you know, maybe in a way if Trump does go to jail, that'll kind of give them a little, you know, relief for a second.

00:30:53.720 But then they'll get right back to it. 0.97

00:30:55.320 And it's, like, it's political masturbation for these people. 0.98

00:30:58.380 I'm telling you, it's an obsession. 0.99

00:31:00.580 It's truly deranged.

00:31:02.700 And so they're just addicted to this thing.

00:31:06.340 And they're never going to give it up, whether it's a judge, whether it's a host on CNN or MSNBC, whether it's some leftist liberal Democrat Trump hater out on the streets. 0.99

00:31:15.180 It's just a giant political masturbation routine for them. 0.98

00:31:18.800 And they just, they really need that release. 0.99

00:31:21.360 They just, they need it so badly.

00:31:24.060 And I just, you know, when they don't get it, you see what happens.

00:31:28.140 The tugging and the jerking and the, it just gets more intense and more enthused.

00:31:33.480 And eventually they just look like the psychos that they are.

00:31:36.060 They're the Jeffrey Toobins of the world.

00:31:43.020 Troy, there may be something to what you say.

00:31:46.160 You know, as a long-term analyst of polls, I would point out that while President Trump is leading in every swing state, perhaps one where he's not, and leading nationally, in no poll is that lead insurmountable.

00:32:02.280 And rarely do you see him break 50% of the vote, which to the trained eye is one of the factors you look for.

00:32:11.200 So it is not inconceivable that if Trump were to go into election day with a small lead, but then based on irregularities or anomalies or perhaps even outright fraud, not become president after the count, it would allow the left to say, well, you see, it was his conviction in New York that swung voters against him.

00:32:38.520 Their timing seems to be off.

00:32:40.720 On the other hand, let's be clear.

00:32:43.260 If federal prosecutors could try Donald Trump in October, they would, if they could.

00:32:49.960 Now, that would be a violation of longstanding Department of Justice policy.

00:32:56.180 But all of their rules are out the window.

00:32:59.680 As Owen and I can both tell you firsthand, there are no rules.

00:33:04.420 The facts don't matter.

00:33:05.960 The truth doesn't matter.

00:33:07.320 The evidence doesn't matter.

00:33:09.260 The rules don't matter.

00:33:11.060 The Constitution doesn't matter.

00:33:13.720 Your rights don't matter. 0.98

00:33:16.500 When you have that target on your back from an all-powerful and politically motivated government, Owen's absolutely right.

00:33:26.880 Don't look for rationality.

00:33:28.400 There is no rationality.

00:33:30.460 They are just hell-bent on destruction.

00:33:33.440 I really believe they're badly overplaying their hand, but we shall see.

00:33:40.440 Troy, what else have we got on deck?

00:33:42.160 Well, and I just want to ask one more question here about the Trump thing, because I think it's important.

00:33:48.100 And I haven't seen anybody discuss this.

00:33:50.940 Let's say he wins in November, and let's say that this is still ongoing.

00:33:56.900 What happens at that point, Roger?

00:33:59.000 Would he still be forced to go to court if these things are still ongoing as a president of the United States?

00:34:04.720 Do you see him pardoning himself?

00:34:06.380 How does that work?

00:34:07.000 It's a very complicated question.

00:34:10.960 It's interesting.

00:34:12.460 Back when Nixon, it was speculated that Nixon would pardon himself for crimes that he had not yet been charged with.

00:34:24.820 In the end, Nixon was never charged with any crimes, but President Gerald Ford gave him a preemptive pardon against any charges, which obviously, constitutionally, he has the authority to do.

00:34:39.540 Now, technically, lawyers I respect tell me that Trump would have the authority to pardon himself of federal crimes, and therefore he could, but even as the chief executive with authority over the Justice Department, he could choose to end these witch hunts if he was elected.

00:35:02.000 But he has no ability to pardon himself from a state conviction.

00:35:08.780 So this is why the Georgia case, which I think is really specious, and the New York cases continue to be problematic.

00:35:20.580 If convicted of state charges, he has no authority to pardon himself.

00:35:26.520 Now, I don't know that he would pardon himself on federal charges.

00:35:29.600 That is simply speculation on my part, but I do believe that he would have the authority to do so.

00:35:36.220 Awesome.

00:35:36.740 And I think that's just important for people to clear up, and I wanted to – we have a video here that we want to go to Owen to first.

00:35:43.460 Oh, go ahead, Roger.

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00:37:54.020 Welcome back, folks.

00:38:11.660 I'm Roger Stone.

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00:38:45.620 All right.

00:38:46.260 We're continuing with my co-host, Troy Smith.

00:38:50.480 And our special guest, who's done us a great favor by getting up early this morning, our good friend, Owen Schroyer, who hosts The War Room, one of the greatest programs of all time, on InfoWars.com.

00:39:07.240 Owen, thanks again for being here.

00:39:09.620 All right.

00:39:10.140 Troy, you had a video you wanted to show us.

00:39:13.200 Absolutely.

00:39:13.820 So I want to go to Owen on this one first.

00:39:15.640 This is Maxine Waters having a freakout on MSNBC the other day, claiming bizarrely that Trump has some kind of groups training up in the hills and that she's going to be urging Biden to look into these groups.

00:39:28.000 Let's take a look at that and get Owen's opinion on the other side.

00:39:31.220 This is a man who we'd better be careful about.

00:39:34.380 And I tell you what I'm going to do.

00:39:36.360 I'm going to ask the Justice Department and I'm going to ask the president to tell us what they're going to do to protect this country against violence if he loses.

00:39:47.460 I want to know about all of those right wing organizations that he's connected with who are training up in the hills somewhere and targeting, you know, what communities they're going to attack. 0.88

00:40:00.080 This woman is a nutcase. 1.00

00:40:08.200 She's nuttier than a squirrel turd. 1.00

00:40:09.940 I think whatever chemicals are in that wig she puts on her bald head are starting to seep into her brain. 1.00

00:40:18.160 She's truly demented. 1.00

00:40:19.320 She's truly deranged. 0.96

00:40:21.000 Now, making that obvious observation here, let's actually listen and think about what she just said.

00:40:27.680 When we go back to, I think it was 2016, Maxine Waters made public statements about basically encouraging violence against Trump supporters.

00:40:37.020 She said, go find Trump supporters, surround them at the gasoline station, or I don't know what she said, some awkward diatribe she was having in public.

00:40:45.020 Surround them, intimidate them, bully them. 0.77

00:40:47.760 And then what did we see after that?

00:40:49.480 Well, we saw that very thing.

00:40:51.100 We saw Trump supporters getting harassed and assaulted at colleges, at restaurants in the streets.

00:40:57.540 And so that was a direct result of what Maxine Waters was calling for.

00:41:01.500 Now, I'm not giving Maxine Waters really the credit for that.

00:41:04.160 But what I'm saying is she's not having these thoughts on her own.

00:41:10.140 She's basically putting out what she's hearing for the public now.

00:41:14.980 So my guess is that just like what we saw in Michigan with the fake kidnapping plot of the governor all run by the feds and they get some unfortunate suckers to buy into it and then they get arrested.

00:41:27.360 All the charges were dropped and they were acquitted, by the way.

00:41:30.580 And now the FBI is being excoriated by the appeals court and the judge in that case.

00:41:35.240 No, my guess is Maxine Waters is actually privy to information that feds are running groups right now, militias, right-wing activists, whatever you want to call it.

00:41:46.660 And they're recruiting people that they're targeting, Trump supporters specifically, to go out probably into the woods to some compound, some cabin, whatever, learn firearms training.

00:41:57.920 And they think they're going to overtake the government or whatever the case may be, very similar to the Whitmer case.

00:42:03.820 So I think Maxine Waters here, Mad Max, I think that she's actually showing their hand.

00:42:10.540 I think that this is probably actually going on.

00:42:12.940 Now, again, none of this is organic.

00:42:16.160 This is all fed sting operations, entrapment operations.

00:42:20.180 But, yeah, my guess is that Maxine Waters is probably tipping a hand here and that the Democrats are running some federal operations and they're entrapping people in middle America, let's say, and maybe the, you know, the Appalachian Mountains or something.

00:42:35.620 And so they might be out there.

00:42:37.040 They might actually – there might actually be some militia groups training with firearms in the woods or whatever have you.

00:42:42.400 It's probably being run by feds.

00:42:44.440 Maxine Waters is privy to this.

00:42:46.240 And she just wants to look like some sort of a genius by getting out in front of it and saying something first. 0.77

00:42:51.920 So as crazy as she sounds and as she looks, I think that maybe she's tipping their hand.

00:42:59.840 I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a bunch of federal entrapment schemes being run right now to try to entrap right-wingers and Trump supporters and some sort of federal provocateur staged violence. 0.89

00:43:11.660 And then they can say, see, see, we told you, the Trump supporters are violent.

00:43:15.260 See, we told you, they were out in the hills.

00:43:16.900 They were training with guns.

00:43:18.200 And it'll be like three unfortunate suckers and then, you know, 25 federal agents that run the whole thing, just like we saw in the Whitmer case. 0.89

00:43:27.120 But, you know, stepping aside from the breakdown here, I mean, we really have a clown show, don't we, in D.C.?

00:43:33.560 I mean, Roger, you've seen a lot of – you've covered a lot of Congress sessions.

00:43:38.600 You've covered a lot of White House administrations. 0.58

00:43:40.700 I mean, there's nothing like the clown show we got going right now.

00:43:44.280 I mean, we got men dressing up as women, sending emails saying we're going to change kids' gender. 0.75

00:43:50.960 We got mad Maxine Waters with a polished-up chrome dome putting on a wig and talking about people going out into the woods and shooting guns. 0.86

00:43:58.480 I mean, there has never been more of a freak show, clown show than I think the current collection that we have in Washington, D.C.

00:44:07.180 I mean, aside from the fact they're trying to destroy the country, I mean, this is truly entertaining stuff.

00:44:13.000 I mean, mad Maxine Waters is a cartoon character of a person. 0.93

00:44:17.280 Yeah, it really is Disneyland on the Potomac.

00:44:23.420 I mean, perhaps she's asking the wrong question.

00:44:26.120 I think the question she means to ask the Justice Department is, what are they going to do about the BLM-Antifa riots that will take place across the country if Trump is duly reelected?

00:44:39.260 And you've already seen the answer to that.

00:44:41.940 Senator Blumenthal, the Vietnam War hero senator from Connecticut, has introduced legislation to essentially remove civilian control of the military.

00:44:54.920 In other words, take away any president, in this case Donald Trump's, ability to issue orders to the military.

00:45:03.240 Now, under the Constitution, maintaining order is one of the first responsibilities of the president.

00:45:12.060 And clearly they are seeking, I think it would be unconstitutional by the way, but they're thinking, seeking legislatively to remove that power from him.

00:45:22.920 Which I think is just one section of the next hoax they intend to perpetrate in order to try to hijack the next election.

00:45:35.520 Maxine Waters, who lives in a multimillion dollar mansion outside the district that she represents, 0.91

00:45:43.500 and who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars with her famous slate cards, which is a handout for Election Day, 1.00

00:45:53.800 which lists the candidates endorsed by Maxine Waters.

00:45:59.400 You have to pay big, big bucks if you're a Democrat to get on that slate card.

00:46:05.060 It's produced a very, very lucrative living for her daughter, particularly when you combine the consulting fees paid by her, by Maxine's campaign, to her daughter.

00:46:19.340 She's not, as you point out, she's not a serious person.

00:46:22.260 By the way, when she openly advocates violence in restaurants, in gas stations, in public, against other Americans,

00:46:32.180 no one raises any question about charging her or the dangerousness of what she's advocated.

00:46:39.640 Once again, your classic two-tiered justice.

00:46:43.780 Troy, what else you got for us?

00:46:46.220 Well, I think it's important.

00:46:47.520 And as Owen pointed out, there's never been a show like this.

00:46:50.120 And, Roger, the Disneyland on Potomac, I'm going to use that one.

00:46:53.140 That's a good one.

00:46:54.060 But we have – I want to show people on the flip side of this.

00:46:57.940 You know, we're seeing Trump attacked.

00:46:59.480 And as you pointed out, Roger, he's flying from Florida to New York to attend these trials.

00:47:03.180 He's also campaigning.

00:47:04.720 And even I'm amazed sometimes.

00:47:06.200 He does two or three campaign stops across the country in a single day.

00:47:09.560 And then the next morning, he's there for his trial.

00:47:12.520 He sits through that.

00:47:13.740 He does his media thing in the morning.

00:47:15.160 He does the media thing afterwards.

00:47:16.380 And then he's doing campaign visits.

00:47:17.700 I mean, the guy works literally 24-7.

00:47:21.060 And on the other hand, you have Joe Biden who continues to kind of embarrass himself.

00:47:25.540 And this was a clip that I want to get your guys' opinion on from yesterday.

00:47:30.840 Biden accepted a word from the Army football team.

00:47:32.940 And he had a jersey.

00:47:34.300 And you can see there's people walking up to him.

00:47:37.200 He's just staring at them to the point where they're looking at him like,

00:47:40.220 sir, like, are you okay?

00:47:41.920 They're fighting – they're like – he's handing over the jersey to them.

00:47:45.600 But he doesn't really know if he's supposed to hand it over.

00:47:48.640 He's just staring at them blankly.

00:47:50.920 Let's roll that Biden embarrassment yesterday at the White House.

00:47:54.620 And just get your guys' thoughts.

00:47:55.840 I've never seen anything like this before.

00:47:57.440 It's unbelievable.

00:47:58.060 Thank you.

00:48:00.680 What do you think?

00:48:02.260 All right.

00:48:03.060 Perfect.

00:48:03.640 Thank you.

00:48:04.780 Thank you.

00:48:07.540 Thank you.

00:48:10.380 I'll make sure you get my number right.

00:48:12.300 Thank you.

00:48:42.300 Thank you, thank you, Tom.

00:48:46.600 Guys, thank you very much.

00:48:48.380 Thanks, sir.

00:48:50.760 Does this guy even know where he is?

00:48:53.080 I mean, it really has reached the point of embarrassment.

00:48:57.820 They do seem at least still intended to nominate him at their convention,

00:49:05.440 which I think is at the end of July or perhaps early August.

00:49:09.260 I still think it's entirely possible, now that they've cleared the field and that he clearly will have enough votes for re-nomination since no one was allowed to compete with him,

00:49:21.040 that it is possible that he could release his delegates, announce that he is not resigning as president,

00:49:27.460 but that he is not seeking another term based on his health.

00:49:32.800 I still believe this is a scenario which is both legally and politically completely and totally possible.

00:49:41.220 If you worked for him, can you imagine how you are holding your breath every time he opens his mouth? 0.99

00:49:50.680 Well, holding your breath because you don't want to smell the crap that he just put in his diaper, too. 0.98

00:49:56.080 I mean, let's be perfectly clear here. 0.99

00:49:57.580 He quite literally crapped his pants on the White House lawn just a few days ago.

00:50:03.720 Everybody saw it.

00:50:04.500 We know what we saw.

00:50:05.360 Everybody's seen it before.

00:50:06.680 He awkwardly paused, squatted, and crapped his britches.

00:50:10.800 And even Jill was so embarrassed that she just walked away.

00:50:14.240 I mean, his own wife abandoned him in his moment of need, you know?

00:50:17.940 Is that what that was?

00:50:19.640 Is that what that was?

00:50:21.280 Absolutely.

00:50:22.400 A hundred percent.

00:50:23.540 He crapped his britches right in front of the media.

00:50:25.960 And look, they, and I'm sure you saw this, guys.

00:50:29.320 They changed the protocols for the Marine One walk, the media access,

00:50:35.360 and how usually the president would leave the White House, walk over to the media solo,

00:50:41.220 and then walk to Marine One solo.

00:50:43.300 That's the tradition.

00:50:44.240 That's the protocol.

00:50:45.140 They completely changed that.

00:50:46.960 And now Biden walks with a gaggle to Marine One, and then they just said,

00:50:52.560 you know what?

00:50:52.860 We're not even going to allow you to film that.

00:50:54.580 And now we know why.

00:50:55.580 They didn't want that moment to be captured on camera. 0.93

00:50:58.920 I mean, dare I say, it's such a regular occurrence for Joe Biden to crap his pants

00:51:05.080 that they had to change White House lawn protocols and media protocols

00:51:10.040 so that you wouldn't capture that moment on camera.

00:51:12.800 Well, unfortunately, the moment was captured on camera.

00:51:15.100 Everybody saw it.

00:51:15.800 We all know what that was.

00:51:17.420 This is how bad it is.

00:51:19.420 Biden is silent for weeks as you have these college campus protests raging.

00:51:25.020 It's the biggest story in the media.

00:51:28.820 It's gripping everyone's attention.

00:51:31.160 It takes weeks for Biden to do a press conference.

00:51:34.240 He does a three-minute statement, three minutes,

00:51:38.000 and then doesn't take any questions from the press.

00:51:40.100 I mean, that's how bad this situation is with Joe Biden.

00:51:44.440 And to get to what Roger is talking about here.

00:51:47.580 So, yeah, forgetting about the jersey or not knowing where he is.

00:51:50.600 I mean, it's all regular stuff.

00:51:51.720 The guy literally craps his pants on the White House lawn, and everybody sits there and watches it.

00:51:55.940 His own wife has to hold her nose and walk away. 1.00

00:51:58.020 But to talk about the Rogers point here, in 1968, when the DNC was held in Chicago, the Democrats, and I think some Republicans were involved, too, were rioting in Chicago.

00:52:10.260 It was a big story.

00:52:11.820 It had big political implications.

00:52:13.700 I think we're building up to a similar moment now.

00:52:16.320 I think that these protests are going to crescendo into massive events outside of the Chicago Democrat Convention in mid-August.

00:52:24.700 Now, these groups tried to get an official protest pass or whatever you want to call it, a permit to have a rally or a protest outside of the convention.

00:52:37.120 They got denied by the local Chicago government.

00:52:40.100 They got denied by the local Democrats.

00:52:42.460 Well, now they're saying, well, we're just going to riot, basically.

00:52:45.140 Well, we're just going to still have our events, and we're just going to be out on the streets, and we're going to disrupt your Democrat National Convention.

00:52:50.360 So I foresee that happening, and I guess, Roger, my question would be, could that be the perfect excuse to remove Joe Biden, to have these massive demonstrations, these massive protests, where there are Democrats out there chanting F Joe Biden, and they just have to say, okay, well, we have to remove Joe Biden.

00:53:10.380 The people don't want him.

00:53:11.440 There's a massive protest here.

00:53:12.800 So could you see maybe that being kind of the temple of doom, like switcheroo moment, where they take Biden out, and they kind of use the backdrop of the protests as the excuse?

00:53:23.900 You know what, Owen, we're going to go to a quick commercial break, and I'm going to answer your question on the other side.

00:53:29.380 Folks, we'll be right back. 0.69

00:53:30.800 We'll be right back.

00:54:00.800 We'll be right back.

00:54:30.800 We'll be right back.

00:55:00.780 We'll be right back.

00:55:30.760 We'll be right back.

00:56:00.740 That is whether pandemonium riots at the Democratic National Convention, reminiscent of those over the Vietnam War in 1968 in Chicago, could be the catalyst for Joe Biden's withdrawal.

00:56:17.820 The answer is, I think, if he's going to withdraw, not because he believes his war policies are unpopular, not because he recognizes that his domestic record is a failure, but solely on the issue of health.

00:56:38.020 If you saw his work, if he's going to have a lot of people's work, he's going to have a lot of people who are unpopular, not because he's going to be right back.

00:56:56.020 And then he's going to have a lot of people who are unpopular, not because he's going to have a lot of people who are unpopular.

00:57:02.020 and then he went on to say, who else could do what I have done? Who else indeed? So there is

00:57:09.760 no recognition that his record as president is a failure, and going forward, he could never admit

00:57:20.900 that. I do think, however, that this schism in the Democratic Party is truly problematic and is

00:57:29.920 very reminiscent of the division you saw over the Vietnam War. Those people calling him Genocide

00:57:36.940 Joe, those people who are protesting, for example, outside of Radio City Music Hall during his recent

00:57:44.240 giant fundraiser there, those are not Republicans. Those are not conservatives. Those are not Trump

00:57:51.180 supporters. Those are Democrats. And the cost of supporting both Iran and Israel in this

00:57:59.680 conflict, I think, is badly dividing the Democratic Party. I'm afraid we are out of time. I want to

00:58:06.680 thank my co-host, Troy Smith, from slingshot.news, and also my good friend, Owen Schroyer, who hosts

00:58:15.560 The War Room at Infowars.com five days a week for joining us today. Until tomorrow, I'm Roger Stone.

00:58:24.400 And on behalf of all of us here at the Stone Zone, God bless you, and Godspeed.

00:58:30.400 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people

00:58:37.920 love him. Not everybody, but people love him and respect him. Roger Stone. Where's Roger Stone?

00:58:44.120 Offscreen Smith, and Isaiah Smith.

00:58:49.300 For more information, please visit T16해� Bridge, his family.

00:58:56.200 Hi, I'm Steve The Matty.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 07, 2024

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