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On this episode of The Stone Zone, host Roger Stone is joined by Alex Blumberg to discuss the first Democratic primary debate between Donald Trump and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) in the first primary debate of the 2020 Democratic primary contest. They discuss what they liked and didn't like about the debate, and what they would like to see happen in the future Democratic primary debates. They also discuss why they think we should see a fair primary debate in 2020 and why they don't think we'll get one this cycle, or even in 2020. Roger Stone's Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone. Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents. He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Roger Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here s your host, Roger, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. with a guest on The Stonezone! hosted by Roger Stone joins me to talk about the Democratic Primary Debates, the Democratic Debates and why we should have a fair and open primary debate. And why we need a fair one in 2020, not just on CNN, but on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and CBS, and NPR. and the rest of the major news outlets. Join us in The podcast. , join us on The . and let us know what you thought of the debate and what you think of it was like. Thank you for listening to The StoneZ Zone! Roger Stone: Roger & Alex - The Stone Zone is a Zone with Podcast! and of The , and of the Show! with The with the Stonezone with Roger Zone Podcast on , Subscribe to The & from The and The ZONE Podcast. with Alex , the , with , "The ( ) and , is , The ( . and "The Stone Zone Podcast, in the (
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Stone's Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
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Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents. He is a New York
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Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an
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outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless
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venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
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Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop
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culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
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Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. Well, last night was the first
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and perhaps the only debate of the 2024 presidential contest. Today, we're left to sift through the
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pieces as both sides, of course, try to spin victory by their candidates. Joining me is one of my
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favorite influencers, Alex. I remember when my family and I were targeted for destruction by
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Robert Mueller, despite the fact that I'd done nothing wrong. Alex was one of the few voices of
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truth. We share a passion for both truth and great food. Alex, welcome to the Stone Zone.
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Really great to be with you, my friend. Well, first of all, you have, I think, an incredible
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success story because you were one of those banned by the old regime at what was then Twitter.
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You had a lively feed then, but you can't keep a good man down. You're back and you're in the
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vengeance. I got to tell you, I go to your feed. I go to about three feeds in the morning and look
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at them first. Yours is among the best because of your commitment to truth. So let's get right into
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it. You watched the debate. What did you think?
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Yeah. First of all, thank you. That's a great honor coming from you, especially. Last night,
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I mean, it's pretty much what we all expected. We expected a three-on-one. There's only so much
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that you could do with a three-on-one debate. And to be completely honest, we all knew from the
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beginning of when Kamala took over for Biden that she wasn't going to agree to a fair debate
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because right off the bat, she already penciled herself in despite the name at the top of the
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ticket changing. She said, Trump, you already agreed to this. And Trump's like, well, wait a second.
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You're a completely different person. I agreed to debate Joe Biden. So she was already pouncing on
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that. So a lot of people criticized Trump for even doing the debate because of the biased rules that
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were being set. But honestly, we saw Trump go on offense last night. And despite him being fact
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checked multiple times by the biased moderators who might as well be Democrat candidates themselves
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and not fact-checking Kamala once, we saw a Trump that went on offense. And I thought that looked
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really strong. He even used Kamala's I'm speaking move against her, which really got under her skin.
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So all things considered, I think it was a victory, but I'd love to see an actual fair debate. But
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unfortunately, I don't think we're going to get one this cycle or, you know, even ever.
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I agree with you. In fact, I really, really like to see a different debate.
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Another debate because I think she may not be capable of memorizing that much more. That was,
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you can just kind of tell, that was a completely memorized presentation, which leads me to believe
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with Donna Brazile now working at ABC, that Kamala Harris had all these questions in advance because
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nobody is quite that smooth, particularly her. I do think that they did a very good job
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of lowering the expectation levels for her, which candidly isn't very hard. I've been in
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American politics for 45 years. I'm a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns.
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Two things I've never seen. A candidate who nobody voted for in the nominating process,
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and therefore a candidate who didn't have to work for and earn the nomination. A tough nomination
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contest, a tough primary caucus nomination process improves the skills of the candidate. They get
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sharper. They are able to road test their messages. They find out what people respond to. They find out
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what people don't respond to. They have this woman under wraps. It's not just that she doesn't give
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press conferences or won't do a one-on-one interview with anyone other than CNN and what was really a
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one long infomercial. And she had to have her support animal, Tim Walsk, there with her. I don't
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know how much he helped. She doesn't even answer questions when she goes from the car to the plane
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or the plane to the car. There are a few instances where reporters who I know have told me that
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she pulls out a little like a binder notebook and she reads the answers on those few occasions where
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she takes questions, you know, extemporaneously. I would be nervous if I were them about another
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debate. They say they want another debate. I'd like to see another debate because I'd like to see a
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debate that's one-on-one with an honest moderator. Look, I'm not a fan of Jake Tapper, a man who was
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set on the air. He would be delighted that if I had I gone to prison in the Mueller witch hunt,
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despite the fact that we both know, as the famous t-shirt says, I did nothing wrong.
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But at least he was relatively fair compared to last night. I really like Patrick Bet-David.
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He's just down the road here. He does a great job. I have huge respect for his business acumen,
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and he's pretty shrewd politically as well. I was a little surprised last night when he was
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praising David Muir as doing a fair job in the moderating. That was one of the most
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obnoxious performances I've ever seen. Yeah, it was very reminiscent of the Chris Wallace debate,
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the Mr. President, Mr. President trying to jump in every five seconds. And then the whole thing
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with the mute button. I don't know if the mute button was broken or what, but like you could
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hear crosstalk almost the entire time. They, you know, they gave her, it was supposed to be a minute
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for response time. They're letting her monologue for over two minutes on responses. And to your point,
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yeah, the CNN debate was much more disciplined, you know, surprisingly, I know they can only do so
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much to help Biden. And he like was his own worst enemy in that debate anyway. But like,
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yeah, the CNN debate was actually like, much better, all things considered. But you could just tell with
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the slanted questions in all of this, it was, it was essentially like, Donald Trump, why are you
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racist? And then they would go to like Kamala and say, why is Trump racist? Like things to that effect,
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instead of like pushing Kamala, they'd, they'd like give her the question and say like, oh yeah,
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why, you know, Donald Trump wants to do X, Y, or Z with abortion or whatever. Why is he so mean? And
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why does he want to do these things? And like the questions were just so angled that way. But again,
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we expected that. And, you know, Trump overcame that for the most part. As far as the next debate,
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it, I think our, our best shot possibly would be Fox News, but I don't see Kamala agreeing to a Fox
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News debate. And even then it's going to be Brett Baier and Martha McCallum, which, you know, they're
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not, I wouldn't call them unbiased. But I think honestly, going forward, and this is going to even
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be hard for people to come to terms with, but I don't think we have many unbiased moderators,
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you know, in our corporate media environment. So I think it would be more effective to have two
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biased moderators and have them both asking the opposite candidates questions, because like at
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least then we're admitting that the, the, you know, that the moderators are biased because you're not
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going to find unbiased people in corporate media. So if we had someone from Fox News pressing Kamala,
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and then we had someone from corporate media trying to press Trump, we'd all know, and we'd all,
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you know, admit that we're all playing with the same deck at that point. The, it's an adversarial
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conversation and also let the candidates, you know, ask each other questions. That's one of the rules
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that I guess were kind of broken, but like it was, they weren't supposed to be able to ask questions.
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For example, like Kamala would give a scripted answer about, you know, computer chips and all
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of that. And, you know, words that she has no idea what she's saying and she was just fed.
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So a follow-up question is, okay, so what is that, that you just said? And, you know, like,
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you know, Trump actually kind of did this, but she didn't, she didn't like feel obligated to answer
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because he was breaking the rules technically. But like for immigration, why aren't you closing the
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border? Why don't you ask, why don't you wake Joe Biden up at 4 PM and have him close the border
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immediately? You know, if, if she was obligated to answer that question and, you know, and moderators
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aren't going to ask it, so it comes to Trump to ask it, then we'd have a more honest debate and a more
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honest conversation. And, you know, I think that's really what we need is for everyone to be honest
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with themselves and admit that nobody is unbiased. That's, that's our flaw. I think trying to find
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unbiased moderators, we're just not going to find it in our corporate media environment right now.
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Yeah, I actually think that's a great idea. If you had two opinion journalists, the, the Republican
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one or the conservative one allowed to ask Kamala questions, a leftist able to ask Donald Trump
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questions, it'd be much more interesting. It would be much more honest, be much more fair. I won't
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unfortunately hold my breath. The irony, of course, of Kamala Harris trying to set the table by saying,
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you're going to hear a lot of lies tonight. Well, we did hear a lot of lies. For example,
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they're not eating cats. Haitian immigrants are not eating cats. The city manager says,
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so. How helpful of Mr. Muir to come up with that fact. The problem is, we have multiple police
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reports from Colorado to prove that they are in fact eating cats. Their late term abortion is not
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allowed in any states. Actually, the post election abortion, theoretically, because there are no limits,
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loud in nine states. Another lie. The question of Charlottesville. They keep recycling this one over and
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over. Even Snopes, which is really a fat guy with Coke bottle glasses sitting at a computer. But that guy,
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I mean, he is as left wing and as biased as they come. But even he has reported that Trump never
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called Nazis or Klansmen fine people in Charlottesville. Simply didn't happen. Then there is Trump's
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denigration of our veterans who gave their lives in the service of their country.
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There's only one guy who claims that this happened. That guy was ignominiously
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canned for incompetence and insubordination. And he cooked up that story only after he was fired.
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There were 19 other people present at the cemetery who insisted Donald Trump never said that. But
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Joe Biden has recycled it. Kamala Harris has recycled it. It gets reported by non-journalist
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Trump's outfits like the Atlantic or New Republic or what is emerging as the greatest single fountain of
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falsehood in America today, Axios. I mean, they just have a lie a day. I know Mike Allen, by the way,
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one of the founders. His father, Gary Allen, was a major leader in the John Birch Society
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and wrote one of the most important early books on globalism called None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
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You can still find it. It's a little pricey because I think it's out of print. I'm not sure about that.
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But the apple has fallen very far from the tree. A headline yesterday saying that Trump is pushing the
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fake narrative that people are eating dogs. No. Anyone can go on social media today. You can see
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this grisly practice of Haitians eating dogs and cats. You can actually see it. One I saw of a guy
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actually cooking a cat on a stove top. But don't believe what your eyes actually show you. Believe
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what we tell you. Assault weapons. She lies about that. She tries to duck the fact that she ever
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wanted to defund the police. I do think the president missed an opportunity when asked about
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health care. He should have pointed out that she has proposed U.S. taxpayers pay for health care
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for every single illegal who's in the country. I was also disappointed that the president did not,
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which he almost always does, point out that our energy policy
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and our production of oil and natural gas is the cornerstone to a strong economy. If you have that,
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then you have enormous bargaining leverage, trading leverage internationally as well as you can produce
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prices for the American people that are affordable. He almost always pivots to that. He got very little
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mentioned last night. Other surprises from the debate that maybe caught your eye?
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Yeah. To your point, though, about some of the missed opportunities that I saw, another one was
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pointing out more of the 13 that lost their lives in Afghanistan and how Kamala has never reached out
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to them in the three plus years that she's been in office. The issue there is I think he would have
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gotten to that. But unfortunately, he was playing defense at times because the debate moderators were
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helping him out. There was lie after lie from Kamala. And yeah, exactly. To your point about they're
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calling everything fake news. When when migrants were attacking the apartment buildings in in Colorado,
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the media called that fake news, too. So no matter what police reports or no matter what evidence there
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are, the party tells you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It's their final and most essential
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command. So like none of this actually is going to matter in the grand scheme of things to the media.
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They can have all the evidence that they want. They're just going to perpetuate their narrative.
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I like again, I did like how Trump kind of went on offense, used her line against her. And then,
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you know, there were there were moments where it was just hilarious, where, where he would say,
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oh, go get Joe Biden out of bed. That that was like, so funny. But like the other thing, too, is that
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he was he was debating kind of the ghost of Joe Biden at times last night, which I know is funny and
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everything. But we all know that Joe Biden isn't running the country and he hasn't been for a long
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time. So like she gets irritated when he ties her to him. And he said that last night, he said, you are
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Joe Biden, I think really hitting that home would have been more effective and saying, you have been
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part of this administration, you've either been doing nothing, are you going to admit you've been
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doing nothing? Or have you been part of this administration? And then list off all of the
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failures. But overall, I think it was a good night and a win, all things considered. But I don't know,
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I don't know if we'll actually get to see another debate. You know, a very authoritative study by the
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Rand Institute actually showed a couple of years ago that debates, presidential debates, traditionally
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don't move that many people. In other words, the people who are tuned in are almost 90 percent
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people who've already made up their mind. They're there to cheer for their candidate no matter how
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they do. So I'm not sure this is going to have the kind of impact. Perhaps people think it will.
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I'm anxious to see the audience numbers, to see whether anybody other than political junkies like
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you and I, who are partisans, were really tuned in. If you look at the polling in this election,
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which I've spent a lot of time studying, we have a very close election. And the reason for that,
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I think, is twofold. One, the mainstream media, while it doesn't have the monopoly that it had in 2016,
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or more importantly, in 2020, 2016, as you and I both know, social media was more free.
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It was more level playing field. Without Twitter, without Facebook, then in those days being
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much more fairly operated, Trump was able to win the presidency because he was able to use social
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media as a platform to counterpunch the attacks by the old media. I told him in 2017, directly,
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that Twitter will ban you. And he told me I was out of my mind. I'm the president of the United States.
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They'll never ban me. Of course, they did. My greatest concern going forward is not his ability
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to win the election. He's going to win the election because people don't vote on the basis of debates.
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They vote on the basis of the things that affect their everyday lives. Gasoline prices, grocery prices,
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the unavailability of affordable housing. You can't buy a house because the money's not available at a
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reasonable interest rate. And you can't find rental housing anywhere in the country. The rental housing
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stock is almost unavailable. And what is available is out of most people's reach in terms of cost.
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These are the things that affect voters. The safety of your neighborhood.
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The crime epidemic. Yes, what she said is true. Almost everyone knows someone who has someone in
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their family who's died of fentanyl or other drug abuse. And that's a direct result of the open borders
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policy of this administration. A little disappointed that the president actually never used the word
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open borders, which he commonly does. But I'm not sure that we get the kind of impact that maybe the
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Democrats hope for or expect. But you can help me with this because I can honestly say I've never
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listened to a Taylor Swift song in my entire life. I don't even know what she sounds like. So I can't tell you
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whether she's talented or untalented, in my opinion. She has 883 million followers. I think they're
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overwhelmingly non-voters, to be honest with you. What did you think of the way they kind of had this
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pre-scripted? So no matter what happened last night, Trump was going to endorse Kamala Harris,
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and that was going to be the big media spin. Well, yeah, I saw a couple of points last night that
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people are saying you don't pull the lever with the Taylor Swift endorsement immediately after the
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debate if you thought Kamala had a good night. So I found that kind of interesting. But I kind of
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agree with you. I think she has a younger audience. Some of them can vote. I don't know that all of them
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will vote. But a lot of her audience is probably under 18. That's not to underestimate her potential
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impact. But honestly, I don't see a lot of her fans getting out to vote and getting out and anxiously
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going to vote. I don't know. We already kind of knew that she would endorse Kamala at one point
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or another. And she's been a Democrat voter for pretty much every cycle and anti-Trump. So it's no
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secret that she would have supported Kamala and not supported Trump. So I don't know how much of an
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impact it's actually going to have because it was very expected. And yeah, I'm not a fan of her at
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all. I don't really listen to her music. So I won't go there on her talent either. But yeah, to counter
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it, I think Trump needs to do more of what he's been doing going on shows like Aiden Ross and all
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of these younger streamers. I think that's his avenue to counteract sort of this Taylor Swift
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kind of phenomenon that's been going on is, you know, connect with younger voters where they are.
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They're on Kik and they're on all of these younger sites like TikTok. I'm not on TikTok really, but
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that's where younger voters are. So meeting them where they are is going to be really important.
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And I think he's done a significantly better job than 2020 at that. Seeing how a lot of new young
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voters are entering, you know, the election and are paying more attention right now. So, you know,
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going on TikTok, finding influencers that are younger to connect with those audiences, I think is,
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and when he does these interviews, he's more genuine. Like, I'm not sure if you saw the Theo Vaughn
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interview, but one of the underreported things is when he was talking about his brother and addiction
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that connected with a lot of people and that went viral. So when he has human conversations with
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these people, he, he's painted as, you know, this evil dictator by the corporate media regime. And
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that's what like a lot of people will see if they don't actually look at who he is as a person and the
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media is not going to give him that opportunity. So the more he does these interviews with big
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streamers and more conversation-based interviews, the more humanized he's going to get to the younger
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population that maybe does not have the correct view of him because of what their parents are
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telling him or what corporate media is telling him. So I think that's kind of his avenue to counteract
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the whole Taylor Swift thing, which I don't, I honestly don't think is going to have that big of an
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Yeah, I agree with that. I've done a lot of study of recent polling about the changing way
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people are getting information. First of all, broadcast network television is done as an
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influencer. There's really nobody watching. It's an older demographic and it is sliding
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quickly. Cable is also losing influence because so many people are unplugging. They're unplugging
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because of the expense. Why would you pay to see Fox or CNN when you can see it for free
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on your cell phone? There's been a major, major move in terms of paid advertising, but also
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overall information to CTV and OTT and online communications. That, Alex, gives people like
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you power, gives you influence, which is why I'm glad to see you back with a vengeance. And
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I think this is really underestimated. Barron Trump, I think, is responsible for the president
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understanding and shifting to alternative media podcasts, where he's going to reach a lot more
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people and where he's going to get a more even shake. And I agree with what you say. It gives people
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to see the human side of him, what he's really like. I mean, I've known him 45 years. He's one of the
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funniest guys you've ever met, but you wouldn't know that based on the mainstream media caricature
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of him, you know, as a, as a pissed off dictator, which is, which is not him. Let's talk for a
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minute. I know you have limited time and I appreciate you being with us. This would be a good way to wrap
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it up. J.D. Vance and Tim Walsh. Walsh, I believe, was a mistake. Walsh was a last minute pick because
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Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, really thought he had a lock on this. My sources tell me
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that he'd had good meetings with Kamala. He really thought it was a done deal. He was waiting for the
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final offer. Then Barack Obama swept in, only joining the Kamala campaign reluctantly. I still
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believe that he did make a legitimate effort to try to get Michelle Obama to run. They definitely
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recognized that she was potentially a stronger candidate. No, no political record of having taken
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positions, widely admired by American women, but nonpolitical. He wasn't willing to give up the
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lifestyle, wasn't willing to give up the money. But there's a reason why Barack Obama waited so long
00:28:13.660
to endorse Kamala. And then, of course, he immediately dispatched three of his chief operatives,
00:28:19.540
David Fluff, Stephanie Cutter, and Michael Stewart over to try to bring some order out of the chaos
00:28:27.880
that is the typical Kamala Harris campaign. What do you think, first of all, of the selection of J.D.
00:28:36.660
Vance? And then, secondarily, do you think we'll see a Vance-Walsh debate? Because, man, get me the
00:28:43.760
popcorn. This is really, really entertaining. Yeah, my first pick, I think, would have been Vivek.
00:28:52.320
But I'm not overall disappointed with the pick of Vance. He's very disciplined, and he knows the
00:28:58.900
message and sticks with it. I like the optics of when he went over to Air Force Two and was holding
00:29:05.560
a press conference with the White House press pool when Kamala refused to talk to the press. So,
00:29:10.680
instincts like that are very Trumpian. I think they have both agreed to the debate. So it will be
00:29:17.940
pretty entertaining to see somebody who's disciplined and on message and is good with
00:29:22.480
media versus the goofball that Waltz is. He's an interesting character. But yeah, I think she did
00:29:31.680
make a mistake, though, by not picking Shapiro, because Pennsylvania is going to be the deciding
00:29:37.800
factor, I think, in this election. So she kind of shot herself in the foot there. And, you know,
00:29:44.360
I'm not... Yeah, I think J.D. Vance is a decent pick. I don't know if he's the person that carried
00:29:50.700
the MAGA movement forward as, like, the next presidential nominee. We'll have to see. Only
00:29:56.700
time will tell. I think we're going to have a, you know, a contentious primary in the next election.
00:30:03.400
But I think he's a solid pick to be kind of the cupbearer for Trump right now and kind of
00:30:12.580
a more disciplined version of Trump when it comes to, you know, press conferences and stuff. Trump is
00:30:21.000
Trump. And, you know, that's why people love him. So kind of having a foil to him that's more buttoned
00:30:28.480
up and that's going to be, you know, point by point on message is kind of a good foil and compliment
00:30:36.220
to the Trump Vance ticket. So I'm excited to see the debate between him and Waltz. I think it's going
00:30:44.380
to be entertaining. And I think he'll wipe the floor with him easily. Yeah, he was also not my choice.
00:30:50.740
I was for Tulsi Gabbard. I like to think a little more outside the box. Yeah. But I do think I agree
00:30:59.800
with you. I think J.D. Vance's defining moment in this campaign is going to come. He's 39 years old,
00:31:06.720
same age that Richard Nixon was when he joined the Eisenhower ticket. I think the attacks on him
00:31:12.600
are born of elitism. They hate the fact that this guy came from nothing. They hate the fact that he had
00:31:18.760
a hardscrabble life. He's earned everything he has by excellence. Oh, they attack him because he
00:31:25.580
went to Yale like he's some kind of elitist. He's not a legacy student at Yale. He had to fight his
00:31:34.520
way there. He's been successful with everything he's ever touched. He's not a globalist. I think
00:31:41.520
that's an absolute key. We have a tendency in our party to think, you know, the next guy in line is
00:31:49.220
entitled to the nomination. We've done it throughout the history of the party. We nominated George Bush
00:31:55.860
when Jack Kemp would have been a stronger candidate. We nominated John McCain when he was well past
00:32:02.340
his prime. We nominated my old boss, Bob Dole, who would have been a great president in 1988. But by
00:32:09.140
1996, when it was his turn, I think it was past his time. Still one of the greatest men of the 20th
00:32:17.820
century. Nobody will have a lock on the next nomination because for two reasons. One, there is
00:32:25.100
only one Donald Trump. And his domination of this party at the grassroots is unlike anything that
00:32:32.420
I've seen. I worked for Ronald Reagan. I loved Ronald Reagan. By the way, the new Reagan movie,
00:32:38.180
very well worth your see. If you haven't checked it out, Alex, I really recommend it.
00:32:41.980
Yeah, I watched it a couple weeks ago. It was great.
00:32:44.560
It was great. But I do think one of the answers, final point, is we need to unleash the Justice
00:32:54.700
League. Robert Kennedy, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, and J.D. Vance. Those guys are superstars.
00:33:06.600
The Democrats don't have anyone who can match them. They've got Tim Walsh, who I actually think
00:33:12.040
conceivably totally out of his mind. And Kamala Harris is not going to put in any unscripted
00:33:19.040
situation. So in these final days, if those four candidates, yes, I think they should campaign with
00:33:27.500
Trump. But I also think they should campaign on their own. They should go out on the stump on their
00:33:33.420
own because there's a magnifying factor. And therefore, I think we could be on the cusp of a
00:33:41.760
complete and total political realignment. RFK picked the correct three issues. And I give him
00:33:51.160
huge credit. I've known him for a while. We're not close friends, but we are friendly. And he's
00:34:01.120
identified the three most important issues in the country. War, because if we have a thermonuclear
00:34:07.960
war, I'm sorry, but your position on abortion isn't going to matter. Censorship, because if we can't
00:34:15.420
have a free exchange of ideas on every issue, then we can never win. And lastly, the food we're eating
00:34:23.380
is poisoning us. And that's a fact. I was not aware. I mean, I think I eat pretty healthy. Like
00:34:38.460
Exactly. A classic. Our friend Sal Greco has totally ripped that off from you.
00:34:46.540
And I tease him about it constantly. And it reminds me of some good times we've had together.
00:34:52.840
But, you know, I started looking at the labels of stuff that I just took for granted.
00:34:57.720
I thought Hellman's mayonnaise was the real mayonnaise, right? Then I started reading the
00:35:03.660
label. I'll never eat that stuff again. So, though these are vital issues that can form
00:35:10.420
a new coalition. We're on the cusp of a new coalition. Trump was always bigger than the
00:35:15.720
Republican Party. That's why he did so much better than John McCain and Mitt Romney. He
00:35:20.740
was able to reach working class people, just enough of Michigan, Wisconsin, and so on.
00:35:27.720
But we are on the cusp of an entire realignment. And that is a powerful weapon that, in my
00:35:35.220
opinion, the campaign needs to unleash. All right. Final comment, because I know you need
00:35:43.520
Yeah, I was going to say I've been seeing a lot of activity with Tucker Carlson's tour
00:35:48.540
when he's bringing out people like Tulsi Gabbard-Vivake, RFK Jr.
00:35:53.280
So I think that's been a kind of a nice complement to the Trump campaign, Tucker going and doing
00:35:59.080
his speaking events and bringing all of these guests. But I agree they need to campaign on
00:36:04.920
their own because they can all pull a crowd, which is rare. No one in the Democrat Party
00:36:09.100
could do that. Joe Biden couldn't do that. Kamala has a manufactured crowd because she
00:36:13.400
has entertainers. And then, you know, I think RFK Jr. is actually doing this with the Make America
00:36:19.820
Healthy Again events. So, and that will bring in a lot of, I think, mothers, which is going
00:36:26.060
to be an important demographic in this election as well. So, yeah, I definitely agree that they
00:36:33.000
need to unleash the Avengers, as you put it, and really barnstorm the key areas in this country.
00:36:40.280
And I think that will make a difference. And who knows, maybe someone like Elon Musk might
00:36:44.720
appear on stage at a rally one of these days. That would certainly break the internet.
00:36:50.260
But yeah, I fully agree. Unleash the Avengers. It's time.
00:36:55.780
All right. I'm afraid we have to leave it there. I want to help. I want to thank my friend Alex
00:37:00.660
for joining us, folks. If you're not following him on X, you absolutely must. His daily feed is among
00:37:09.340
the best. I'm completely honest when I tell you, I go to three people in the morning, and you, my friend,
00:37:16.240
are one of them. So, I want to thank you for being with us. It's great to see you again. And
00:37:21.120
if you're ever in South Florida, let's get a meal together, okay?
00:37:25.380
Awesome. Sounds good. It's an honor being with you. Thank you so much.
00:37:29.080
Thank you so much. All right, folks. There's a man who demonstrates the power of the new media.
00:37:38.200
And I do urge you to check out his feed. We have a special guest now. Isaiah Triana, known as
00:37:46.960
The Natural, is a world-renowned youth mixed martial artist. He has a record in the cage at 25 and 1.
00:37:57.280
He was the world grappling champion, which Isaiah won in Germany in October of 23. He is the only
00:38:06.660
youth male to win the United States national MMA title five years in a row. He recently won the
00:38:14.920
ISKA US Open MAA World Championship for a second time. He is a strong and articulate believer in Jesus
00:38:26.600
Christ. He's an extraordinary young man and an extraordinary athlete. And also joining us is
00:38:34.400
his head coach, Roger Crawl. This young man was one of the most popular guests we've ever had in the Stone
00:38:44.200
Zone. We are delighted to have him and Coach Crawl back with us. Gentlemen, welcome to the Stone Zone.
00:38:56.500
Mr. Stone, I just want to thank, first I want to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for putting
00:39:02.540
us together once again. And for me, you're my hero, Mr. Stone, and I can't thank you enough.
00:39:08.560
Well, you're very kind, but Coach, I think you've got a world-class athlete here. Tell my audience how old
00:39:19.080
you are, Isaiah. Well, I'm 13 years old. My name is Isaiah Triana.
00:39:27.340
And you know what, Mr. Stone, I got to interject. The kid is so nervous. This kid flies all over the
00:39:32.380
world and fights people in a cage. And he's like, Coach, I'm so nervous to be on Mr. Stone's show.
00:39:37.500
And I'm like, come on, you're not nervous, kid. You're a professional.
00:39:40.380
Again, I think the most popular guest we've ever had on the show. I think people are shocked by your
00:39:51.500
commitment. It takes a lot to be a professional athlete. You're 13 years old. You're a winner.
00:39:59.200
You have an extraordinary future. What is your training regimen like? What does it take to be the winner that you are?
00:40:07.840
Well, Mr. Stone, it takes blood, sweat, and tears. And I've been doing this since I was two and a half,
00:40:19.560
Tell me a little bit about your schedule, bud. Tell me what you do every day.
00:40:22.640
The road work, the multiple training sessions a day.
00:40:26.080
My hardest days are on Saturday. I have to wake up, 8 a.m., brush my teeth, take a shower, do my hair,
00:40:32.100
eat a healthy breakfast. I have to do my hair first. That's my most important thing.
00:40:36.000
I have to do my beautiful hair. But I have to take a shower, eat a healthy breakfast.
00:40:46.120
And then I do woodwork with my handsome dad, my good dad.
00:40:50.080
I do woodwork. And then I get straight to school doing homework.
00:41:01.040
I do. I have to do. I have to spray it. I have to put gel.
00:41:05.160
And then if it don't work, I have to wash my hair and then do it and then brush it.
00:41:09.620
He's a funny guy, too. If you can't tell, he's a funny guy.
00:41:13.660
Dude, you got great hair. I wish I had hair as great as yours.
00:41:16.480
So I'm just teasing you. Coach, how many hours a day does Isaiah have to train?
00:41:26.440
You know, with now being back in school, he's usually in the morning training,
00:41:32.920
Then after school, he comes to train at the academy,
00:41:44.020
He has a couple of different coaches that he trains with,
00:41:51.180
But, you know, he's super, super dedicated in this sport.
00:41:57.460
You know, these kids to learn about, you know, setting a goal
00:42:03.480
You know, it's not easy. It's not an easy road.
00:42:05.880
But, you know, like I said, from two and a half years old,
00:42:14.720
The first division was for four- and five-year-olds.
00:42:19.740
And, you know, he won his very first tournament.
00:42:22.580
You know, so from there, we kind of knew what his path would be.
00:42:27.700
Well, Coach, you know, when they suggested, you know,
00:42:31.580
that you'd be on the show, I wasn't familiar, you know,
00:42:36.660
And then they told me that you're the Angelo Dundee of the NBA.
00:42:45.820
I've been blessed to have some great champions.
00:42:51.320
The most famous is the greatest female fighter of all time,
00:42:54.520
Amanda Nunez, who retired last year in Vancouver
00:43:01.300
You know, amazing journey to be able to coach her.
00:43:03.520
But really, for me, honestly, the youth movement is what it's all about
00:43:08.520
because it's kind of the purity of the sport before the money gets involved,
00:43:15.180
And, you know, just for really the pure love of competition.
00:43:19.860
This kid right here, you know, already has won the Worlds
00:43:25.340
So, you know, at this point, it's really just continuing to do what he's doing.
00:43:29.560
And, you know, unfortunately, he can't turn professional until 18 years old.
00:43:34.120
But when that day comes in five years, he will be more than ready for sure.
00:43:38.240
And, you know, our goal is for him to be the youngest ever to get signed to the UFC,
00:43:43.100
which right now is a record held by Rojas Jr., who was 17 years old when he got signed.
00:43:49.680
I'm thinking this kid by 15, Dana White's going to sign him up.
00:43:56.640
Coach, I want you to know, I went to Amazon and I ordered your book, MMM Science.
00:44:07.540
Look, in entertainment and in sports, let's face it,
00:44:12.140
it hurts your career to talk about your dedication to Jesus Christ.
00:44:17.440
It hurts your career to talk about the love of your country.
00:44:23.140
It hurts your career to say that you're patriotic.
00:44:28.180
You're not just a great fighter, a great athlete, Isaiah.
00:44:32.160
You're very articulate when it comes to these bigger picture subjects.
00:44:41.900
People want their sports, their entertainment to be either homogenized
00:44:52.140
I think what they really want it to be is politically correct,
00:45:04.020
I recognize at 13 that it's not as long as mine,
00:45:08.640
but when I hear you talk about your belief in the Lord,
00:45:15.640
And for me, and I've been through some difficult times, as you know,
00:45:22.140
Fortunately, your dad became a great friend of mine several years ago,
00:45:27.500
was there for me when things were really tough,
00:45:30.820
not with money, but with prayers, because prayer works.
00:45:35.340
Mr. Stone, as you know, after I was targeted simply because I'm a 45-year friend
00:45:44.340
of Donald Trump's, and they somehow had this misguided lie
00:45:51.060
they could get me to testify falsely against him.
00:45:54.200
They could get me to make up nonsense about Russian collusion.
00:46:00.540
I was never going to do that because it was a lie.
00:46:04.800
Talk to us about the role of Jesus Christ in your life.
00:46:10.440
Well, the amount of miracles that God has gave us, it's incredible.
00:46:16.520
And when more than one comes into prayer, it rattles heaven.
00:46:20.440
And it's just praying is always the solution to every single problem.
00:46:25.760
And just we have to thank him for the suffering and the blood he put down for us,
00:46:33.800
And the doors he has opened for us, the gifts he has given me, my coach,
00:46:39.160
my father, and my teammates, I just thank him so much for that.
00:46:43.680
And you also talk about your support for President Trump.
00:46:49.600
Again, you know, in entertainment and in athletics, it's much safer.
00:46:55.480
You make a lot more money by keeping your opinions to yourself.
00:46:59.440
But I brought your – I've showed the president a couple of your videos.
00:47:06.580
I live for the day where they let you open at a Trump rally.
00:47:11.020
I think that's going to happen between now and Election Day.
00:47:16.100
So my hat's off to you for sticking to your beliefs, for saying, you know,
00:47:30.400
Because what I found is when you put your faith in God, first of all,
00:47:43.060
You know, when you've had the FBI storm your home at 6 o'clock in the morning,
00:47:47.440
when you've seen the FBI perp walk your wife out of the house,
00:47:53.160
looking down the barrel of two M4 fully automatic assault weapons in her pajamas
00:48:14.400
But there's no fear in my life because I've turned my life over to Christ.
00:48:19.980
Sure, there are people who knew me 20, 30 years ago.
00:48:28.640
But when I turned my life over to the Lord, everything changed.
00:48:36.200
But the key to what I think will be your emergence as one of the greatest athletes of the century, maybe.
00:48:46.340
Somebody who's really going to move to the UFC and become a superstar, it has to do with your faith.
00:48:58.540
Talk to us a little bit about how you feel about this country.
00:49:18.520
But with Donald Trump, it motivates me and teens and youth just like me.
00:49:25.860
And no Nickelodeon star, no youth musicians, no youth athletes, no youth.
00:49:47.140
I want to be the fourth one who stands up for the youth.
00:49:50.620
And with me traveling and fighting for Team USA, it really does motivate me to bring our country back together to where it was when Donald Trump was elected for president.
00:50:05.520
It's, you know, talking about fear, this is something we talk about.
00:50:09.240
I mean, we're a faith-based, you know, academy.
00:50:12.560
And, you know, in business, you're a thousand percent right.
00:50:21.080
Because I've been in the arenas for UFC when President Trump walks in and the place goes bigger than the main event walking out.
00:50:29.400
People go absolutely crazy for him because he's genuine.
00:50:40.140
And, you know, for people that don't see that, to me, it's just insanity.
00:50:43.940
You know, but that fear you're talking about, for us, we teach these guys from the time of the little, false evidence appearing real.
00:50:53.760
You know, like I said, this kid, you know, joking about being nervous to be on your show.
00:50:59.560
You know, he gets in an octagon and fights in front of the whole world to see, you know what I mean, with no fear, you know, with nothing but faith.
00:51:06.220
And, you know, he's definitely a special, special kid.
00:51:16.620
You know, for me as a coach, to go there and, you know, as a team, we took third place.
00:51:23.180
And the only reason we took third place, Mr. Stone, we had 50 competitors.
00:51:32.340
I went on Facebook and social media against my usual character and said, hey, guys, we need donations.
00:51:37.440
We're trying to get 50 kids to Abu Dhabi to represent Team USA.
00:51:45.460
Well, can I tell you, sir, that Ukraine won the world championships.
00:51:49.960
They had almost three times the amount of competitors that we had, three times.
00:51:55.520
Ukraine was sponsored by their governments, okay?
00:51:58.760
So we all know, where did that government funding come from for their country to have their kids go compete and represent them?
00:52:06.620
And our kids had to struggle, beg, borrow, and steal to go and compete, you know?
00:52:11.860
I mean, and it's all sport and it's all respect and it's all good.
00:52:23.360
And we had a bunch of kids we had to leave behind, great kids that were national champions here that we couldn't bring because of money, you know?
00:52:30.960
So the only reason we took third instead of gold was sheer numbers and not having the support of the USA behind us.
00:52:41.640
Sorry, I get emotional about this because I was so upset.
00:52:44.460
You know, I'm super competitive as an old coach.
00:52:47.720
I see them pour their hearts into training every day.
00:52:50.680
And, you know, it was just, you know, kind of a bummer, you know, to see that that's really the reason why it's just pure, pure numbers.
00:52:59.860
Yeah, I remember very well when there was a question whether, I mean, you were ready, but there was a question whether you were going to be able to raise enough money to get to Dubai.
00:53:16.360
You're the only young man to win the United States National MMA title five times in a row.
00:53:24.060
You recently won, as I said, the ISKUS Open MMA World Champion.
00:53:37.580
How can my viewers, my listeners help you get there?
00:53:40.660
Because next time you need to compete and you're ready.
00:53:46.000
It's only the money to get there with your coach.
00:53:52.520
I think my listeners and viewers are going to want to be there for you.
00:54:03.420
But hopefully October next month, we're on to Austria to win that, to win that gold in ISK Worlds.
00:54:11.680
And how you can support us is obviously going to our Instagram.
00:54:18.300
It really does support us kids who need it, us athletes, us youth.
00:54:26.720
I apologize for having too little time today because I could do an entire hour with you and I want to.
00:54:35.640
I also want to show some of your incredible videos.
00:54:38.240
So you have an open invitation to come back and let's do it soon because I want to be helpful in getting you to your next big contest.
00:54:47.220
Dana White, if you're paying attention, and I know you sometimes watch the show, keep an eye on Isaiah the Natural because like Donald Trump, like America, he's a winner.
00:55:00.700
Guys, thanks for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:55:08.380
That is one of the most dynamic young men you will ever meet.
00:55:13.200
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00:55:24.900
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00:57:04.640
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00:57:09.860
I also want to give you regards from our normal host, Troy Smith, who was unable to join us today, but would be with us tomorrow.
00:57:35.320
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00:57:43.660
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00:57:48.720
And until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
00:57:52.760
A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people love him.
00:58:02.040
Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.