The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - George Papadopoulos ｜ 04-14-25

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00:00:30.000 This is the Stone Zone.

00:00:41.260 Now, get in the zone. 0.94

00:00:43.200 It's the Stone Zone.

00:00:45.220 Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:48.840 And you're back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:51.300 Joining me now, George Papadopoulos.

00:00:53.560 He is a former foreign policy advisor to both Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson.

00:00:58.700 From 2011 to 2015, he worked as a research associate with the Hudson Institute, as well as director of the London Center for International Law Practice.

00:01:09.220 He is currently a contributor at Newsmax and a best-selling author of the book, Deep State Target, how I got caught in the crosshairs of the plot to take down President Donald Trump.

00:01:20.840 He was also one of the principal victims of the Russian collusion hoax and the Mueller Inquisition.

00:01:28.320 George Papadopoulos, welcome into the Stone Zone.

00:01:32.220 It's great to be with you, Roger.

00:01:33.560 Thanks for having me.

00:01:34.300 I think it's really timely, George, to have you on.

00:01:38.080 I just saw you and your beautiful Italian wife, Simona, this past weekend at a great Lincoln-Reagan-Trump dinner in Collier County, Florida.

00:01:50.220 It was a great evening, and you gave a great speech.

00:01:53.000 As you know, the FBI has released 700 pages of declassified documents related to Crossfire Hurricane.

00:02:00.280 That's the counterintelligence effort that was focused on the alleged but nonexistent ties between Russia and the Trump campaign back in 2016.

00:02:10.780 Now, these documents were first declassified at the end of the first Trump term, but they never saw the light of day,

00:02:17.640 because the bureaucrats in the NSA essentially decided to wait Donald Trump out.

00:02:23.040 They disobeyed a direct executive order of the president, but now we finally have them, and they're relatively shocking.

00:02:30.760 We just found out that the FBI paid Stephen Halper, an associate of former President George H.W. Bush, and a political consultant and academic.

00:02:43.840 Well, they paid him $1.2 million as an informant.

00:02:49.020 The only problem was the information he was providing all appears to be false.

00:02:53.680 Your reaction?

00:02:55.780 Yes, yes, and it was great to see, Roger.

00:02:58.100 It was an incredible event in Collier County.

00:03:00.440 Florida's doing wonderful things here with the Republican Party.

00:03:03.120 And look, regarding this recent declassified, I should say the release of the declassified information,

00:03:10.840 because you're absolutely right, President Trump attempted to get this information out to the American public before the 2020 election.

00:03:18.900 But, of course, the bureaucrats and those who basically were subverting his administration and his policies and his movement from within

00:03:28.580 prevented those files from coming out, while simultaneously, of course, you had 51 intelligence officers colluding with both big tech and the media

00:03:38.920 to suppress the infamous Hunter laptop story that swayed the last election.

00:03:43.880 So now that we finally have some light that has shined upon these files, it's actually a lot worse than I really thought.

00:03:53.760 There aren't too many people that can now actually look at the facts with the declassified information

00:04:00.700 and think that President Trump and his 2016 campaign and his first administration were guilty of anything

00:04:07.400 except being victims of an overzealous Democrat prosecutorial base

00:04:14.400 and a weaponized government that attempted to basically overthrow his administration with falsehoods and fake information.

00:04:23.400 So the situation that you referenced with Stefan Halper is extremely damaging to both the FBI and the Obama administration

00:04:33.320 and actually the Uniparty, because this is a person that you rightfully just explained,

00:04:38.480 was an associate of a Republican administrations.

00:04:41.900 He was a professor at Cambridge University, but then he was moonlighting as an informant

00:04:47.200 that attempted to ingratiate himself within the Trump campaign.

00:04:50.680 Now, that is all good, potentially, if there was some criminal activity being conducted

00:04:55.580 by people associated to the Trump administration, the Trump campaign.

00:04:59.680 But that wasn't the case, Roger.

00:05:01.220 What Halper was doing was he was being paid to basically throw dirt and lies

00:05:06.560 on associates of President Trump and himself in order to allow the FBI to continue this fake investigation.

00:05:13.560 It stinks to high heaven, Roger, and it's time for accountability.

00:05:17.960 Yeah, it's quite extraordinary to me that Andrew Weissman, who was the de facto head of the Mueller Inquisition,

00:05:25.360 because Mueller, as we now know, seemed to me to be around the bend.

00:05:29.600 He knew all the way back to his time as the general counsel to the FBI that the so-called Steele dossier was a fraud.

00:05:36.060 He knew who paid for it.

00:05:37.340 He knew it had been paid for by Hillary Clinton, and he knew it wasn't true, yet he still used it,

00:05:43.400 combined with that false claim that the Russians had conducted an online hack of the Democrat National Committee.

00:05:50.660 When my lawyers at trial, my trial, made it clear that the FBI had never inspected the computer servers of the DNC,

00:06:01.660 a federal prosecutor, Jonathan Kravis, who says his name Kravis, but his name is Kravis,

00:06:08.160 filed a rare surapply, a filing with the court,

00:06:12.640 claiming that the government had additional evidence that the DNC had been hacked by the Russians,

00:06:18.080 but they didn't have to produce it for my trial because of matters of national security.

00:06:23.100 In other words, they had no proof whatsoever.

00:06:26.620 In your particular case, George Aaron Zelinsky, another one of the Mueller thugs,

00:06:33.340 according to documents we have both seen,

00:06:36.220 actually altered the FBI's transcript of his interview with you, called a 302,

00:06:42.960 in which they asked you whether you would cooperate in their efforts to locate this mysterious Professor Mifsud,

00:06:51.120 who seemed to be an operative in this whole operation,

00:06:54.820 and you said, of course, you'd be happy to cooperate,

00:06:57.180 but he changed the document to have you say that you didn't.

00:07:00.160 Why has this guy not been prosecuted?

00:07:02.060 Yeah, Roger, this is a very disturbing pattern that we've seen over and over,

00:07:07.080 and it really starts with even Kevin Clinesmith,

00:07:10.820 this FBI lawyer that was altering documents about Carter Page and others,

00:07:16.680 where they were saying that Carter Page was not a CIA helper, CIA informant of some nature,

00:07:23.840 but that he was working with the Russians.

00:07:25.740 It goes to the same situation with you.

00:07:27.740 They were lying, saying that you knew things about hacking,

00:07:30.020 even though there was no evidence that there was ever any hacking.

00:07:33.160 And with this infamous person, Mifsud, absolutely. 0.95

00:07:37.140 When the FBI, actually when I told the FBI about him and said there was this shady guy,

00:07:43.160 you should look into him, that was me overtly trying to cooperate

00:07:48.040 and to let them know that this guy might be up to no good.

00:07:51.600 I don't know what that whole situation was all about.

00:07:54.040 And then what did Zelensky do while part of the Mueller team?

00:07:57.800 He said, no, Papadopoulos was there to obstruct the investigation.

00:08:01.340 Papadopoulos was there to potentially work with this person,

00:08:04.100 even though we now know, based on numerous fact-finding missions by extremely adequate reporters,

00:08:10.760 that Mifsud was likely part of an operation working with Western intelligence against me

00:08:15.640 and potentially others on the Trump campaign.

00:08:17.520 And Zelensky and others on the Mueller team did what they know best,

00:08:21.280 that is lie about the truth, cover up the real story.

00:08:25.220 And Roger, just to be quite frank here,

00:08:27.920 I've always said that I thought that Mueller was there to cover up for the egregious misconduct of Comey.

00:08:33.760 So I'm not really surprised that prosecutors like Zelensky,

00:08:37.720 who are tied into the Democrats and big law, did that.

00:08:41.280 What I'm most surprised about is that this information took so long to come out,

00:08:46.180 but we still have other information that we need to come out, Roger.

00:08:49.940 You know, you have people like special counsel John Durham say that the so-called predicate

00:08:55.440 that launched Crossfire Hurricane, that launched Mueller, was not correct,

00:09:01.060 that it was illegal and that there was more to the story.

00:09:03.580 We need that information to come out, Roger.

00:09:05.880 We need those files declassified.

00:09:07.280 We need to know what the CIA was up to, what John Brennan was really up to,

00:09:12.280 what all of these stories about honeypots in 2015 were really all about.

00:09:17.660 Because if we don't have the source and the knowledge about that,

00:09:22.280 that went into the fake predicate of Crossfire Hurricane, we'll never have the true story.

00:09:27.220 So that is what I think the next step should be regarding declassification.

00:09:31.780 And that includes John Brennan and others, too.

00:09:33.840 Yeah, it was the same Mueller prosecutor, Aaron Zielinski,

00:09:37.860 who insisted that he and three other prosecutors had been pressured by main justice

00:09:44.260 to, quote, unquote, go easy on Roger Stone in sentencing. 0.99

00:09:49.000 But only Zielinski was stupid enough to say that under oath before the House Judiciary Committee 0.98

00:09:54.340 because a subsequent investigation by the inspector general of the Justice Department 0.99

00:10:00.240 proved that there was no pressure on these prosecutors.

00:10:04.760 They wanted to give me seven to nine years for allegedly lying to Congress,

00:10:11.280 but their sentencing memo said that I had cooperated in foreign interference in an American election,

00:10:18.260 which, of course, I wasn't either charged with or guilty of.

00:10:23.060 So Zielinski perjured himself before Congress.

00:10:26.760 Wait a minute. Isn't that exactly what they charged me with, claimed that I did,

00:10:31.460 even though no misstatement I made to Congress was material?

00:10:35.520 No misstatement I said was willful.

00:10:38.280 There was no Russian collusion.

00:10:40.100 There was no WikiLeaks collaboration.

00:10:42.340 And Robert Mueller knew that, said it in his final report,

00:10:46.620 but then redacted it so I would never know.

00:10:49.820 Judge Amy Berman Jackson, when my lawyers moved for the full Mueller report to be used in my defense,

00:10:58.020 she denied it to us.

00:10:59.380 She said that she would read the report and she would give my lawyers the sections that were relevant to me.

00:11:07.040 Why did she leave out the section in which even Mueller could not sugarcoat that he found no evidence of Russian collusion,

00:11:13.520 WikiLeaks collaboration, or, for that matter, any other crime on my part?

00:11:17.400 In other words, she withheld exculpatory evidence from my defense attorneys.

00:11:22.860 Why she hasn't been impeached is yet another adequate and legitimate question.

00:11:28.860 Additionally, George, when we come back, we have a little bit of time here,

00:11:32.960 but when we come back, I do want you to go into your own experience about how they set you up

00:11:38.620 to be used as a pawn in the entire Russian collusion hoax.

00:11:43.580 Let me note that Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence agent who was the author of the so-called Steele dossier,

00:11:52.920 was paid $75,000, but they offered him a $1 million bonus if he could prove that anything he had alleged about Trump was true.

00:12:03.700 And he didn't collect the million dollars because all of it was a lie.

00:12:08.320 It really is disconcerting.

00:12:10.920 I have great confidence in Kash Patel, the FBI director.

00:12:14.620 I have great confidence in Pam Bondi, the attorney general.

00:12:17.480 I know both of them very well.

00:12:19.960 But like many, including our mutual friend General Flynn and others,

00:12:24.600 we wonder, is anyone going to be held accountable here?

00:12:29.340 The Durham investigation, in my opinion, was yet another hoax.

00:12:33.120 First of all, he took five long years, just long enough for the statute of limitations to run out

00:12:39.300 so that Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan and John Podesta and Comey, the FBI director,

00:12:46.300 and John Brennan, the CIA director, just long enough so that they could not be charged.

00:12:50.900 Although I argue that there is no statute of limitations when it comes to treason

00:12:55.480 and that this is treasonous activity, but Durham never inspected or addressed the question

00:13:02.620 of whether the DNC had indeed been hacked by Russian intelligence.

00:13:07.200 My attorneys sent him forensic evidence and made available to him expert witnesses,

00:13:13.400 such as former CIA counterintelligence expert Bill Binney,

00:13:17.260 and he never addressed the question at all in his final report.

00:13:22.280 In retrospect, George, I think that the Durham investigation was a holding action,

00:13:28.000 was an effort to ratchet down the pressure on the Barr Justice Department

00:13:33.360 to investigate and hold those accountable for the Russian collusion hoax for their actions.

00:13:40.820 I think you agree with me on that.

00:13:43.740 Yeah, I think the entire situation with John Durham

00:13:47.020 is that he let a lot of people down, including probably his own professional reputation,

00:13:53.120 because during this infamous exchange that he had with Congressman Matt Gaetz

00:13:58.060 during his testimony to the Judiciary Committee,

00:14:01.000 the congressman told him flat out,

00:14:02.660 you're part of a cover-up, you're not telling the full story,

00:14:05.940 you didn't do what you were supposed to do,

00:14:08.240 and you let down yourself and the American people.

00:14:11.360 And I think the only thing that John Durham accomplished,

00:14:15.680 if you want to call it anything an accomplishment,

00:14:17.800 was that he said that he refutes the official predicate of how the entire thing started,

00:14:23.300 and that there was a lot more agencies involved,

00:14:26.260 there were other countries involved,

00:14:28.140 and that the story goes way further back than July of 2016,

00:14:34.620 when apparently Crossfire Hurricane launched.

00:14:37.440 Now, that is all good.

00:14:39.480 However, he didn't give the information of what he actually meant.

00:14:43.760 He basically just left it as a cliffhanger,

00:14:46.580 that this happened, but I can't give you the details.

00:14:49.920 Now, if you've investigated a situation, like you said, for five years,

00:14:54.040 why were you presenting your case in front of the Judiciary Committee

00:14:57.420 and not giving the facts?

00:14:59.060 Is it because things were classified at that moment,

00:15:02.040 because it was the Biden administration?

00:15:04.320 Was there an actual cover-up?

00:15:06.140 These are questions that we have to understand.

00:15:08.560 Was Crossfire Hurricane basically providing top cover

00:15:12.620 for Comey's off-the-books illegal activities that he initiated before Crossfire Hurricane?

00:15:18.580 These are very important questions, Roger, that we don't have answers to,

00:15:23.500 even with the rollout of these files that have come out,

00:15:26.840 over 700 pages of Crossfire Hurricane.

00:15:29.060 So if Special Counsel John Durham says that the FBI wasn't the only agency involved here

00:15:36.040 and that Crossfire Hurricane isn't the beginning and the end,

00:15:38.960 then we need to start asking these important questions to people like D.N.I. Gabbard

00:15:42.920 and also CIA Director John Ratcliffe

00:15:45.660 and have those files be presented to the Attorney General

00:15:49.860 to see if there are prosecutorial cases that can be made off new evidence

00:15:55.620 that John Durham alluded to.

00:15:57.560 Because if we don't have the full picture here, Roger,

00:16:00.180 if we don't have the facts about really what went into this fake story about hacking

00:16:04.840 that they tried to level against you,

00:16:07.360 about these people like Joseph Mipso that they were throwing at me,

00:16:10.920 about covering up the situation with Christopher Steele

00:16:14.700 and how that went into the FISA files,

00:16:18.540 that we'll never have the truth.

00:16:19.840 No one will be held accountable and they'll continue to do this over and over

00:16:23.520 and might try to sabotage Trump from within again this time.

00:16:27.060 This can't happen again, Roger.

00:16:28.240 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to George Papadopoulos and we'll be right back.

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00:17:16.740 It's the Stone Zone.

00:17:18.760 Here's Roger Stone.

00:17:22.260 And you're back in the Stone Zone.

00:17:24.400 We're talking to former Trump foreign policy advisor, George Papadopoulos.

00:17:29.800 George, I want to shift gears here because politics is always about the future, never about the past,

00:17:35.340 even though I think we and many of those in the MAGA movement want to know exactly what happened in the Russian collusion hoax.

00:17:42.580 And those who should be held accountable should be prosecuted.

00:17:46.340 How do you think President Trump is doing in this new term?

00:17:49.880 I think President Trump learned many lessons from his first term.

00:17:54.580 And the most important is that personnel is policy.

00:17:58.280 And by that, he's appointed patriotic Americans, constitutionalists, and people who are there to serve the American people

00:18:04.900 and not to grift or undermine the America First movement.

00:18:09.100 During his first term, of course, people say, oh, you had the Republicans have controlling Congress.

00:18:15.020 That was not the case.

00:18:16.360 Actually, the Mueller situation and so many of these rhinos subverted the America First movement from within, 0.99

00:18:22.800 prevented him from enacting many of his policy proposals and legislation.

00:18:28.540 This time around, people like Howard Lutnik, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary Bessett,

00:18:35.560 everybody is on the same page.

00:18:37.600 And in tandem with a series of executive orders that the president has signed,

00:18:42.660 you understand why now the border is finally secure, why the American economy is once again on the right path,

00:18:49.820 and World War III has been prevented.

00:18:52.500 These three issues were critical to this past election.

00:18:56.620 And we just discussed, of course, the weaponization of government.

00:18:59.800 That's the fourth element to why I think President Trump had this resounding victory.

00:19:04.600 And he is enacting on all of these key pillars,

00:19:08.440 and he's making the right moves with the right people at the right time

00:19:12.960 to make sure that he is a successful president and his vision is implemented.

00:19:18.460 And that's exactly what's going on.

00:19:19.980 And I think we're all going to be a lot richer and a lot safer,

00:19:23.060 and we're going to be functioning as a true republic with the rule of law during this administration

00:19:28.300 and hopefully moving into the future now that President Trump has enacted the policies the way he has begun.

00:19:34.600 I could not agree more.

00:19:37.160 I mean, ironically, I think he was still a great president in his first term,

00:19:41.220 despite the fact that many of the people that he appointed thought their job was to delay or derail his agenda.

00:19:49.620 Yet he gave us a boom economy, rebuilt our military strength,

00:19:54.220 appointed scores of conservatives to the courts, sealed our southern border.

00:19:58.880 He was a truly great president.

00:20:01.820 I think, however, having sat out one term and returned,

00:20:06.680 having gone through the crucible of the tsunami of lawfare

00:20:10.240 and seen firsthand the viciousness and the dishonesty of the political establishment,

00:20:16.280 he is a battle-hardened leader now.

00:20:19.440 He is so much better prepared for this new term.

00:20:22.960 And I predict, yet again, a golden age, an unprecedented age of peace, prosperity, security, justice, and law and order.

00:20:34.020 I was with him Friday night for dinner, saw him the following morning at breakfast.

00:20:38.960 He is calm.

00:20:40.680 He is happy.

00:20:41.740 He is serene.

00:20:43.040 And above all, he is confident that he has the game plan to make America truly great again.

00:20:49.840 Thank you so much for joining us here in the Stone Zone.

00:20:52.360 Until we meet again, God bless you and Godspeed.

00:21:19.840 Thank you so much for joining us here in the Stone Zone.

00:21:26.840 Thank you.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 15, 2025

George Papadopoulos ｜ 04-14-25

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