Carter Page joins us in The Stone Zone to talk about his time working for the Trump campaign, his experience with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) warrant application, and why he thinks Congress should have renewed the program without major revision. Carter also talks about why he left the campaign in 2016, why he didn t vote for Donald Trump, and what it was like working on the campaign with a man who had been spied on by the Obama administration for years. He also discusses why he believes the FBI should have been able to get a warrant to spy on Trump's campaign and why they failed to do so. And, of course, he talks about the infamous Steele dossier and the "Russia Collusion" dossier, which was written by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and compiled by former Democratic National Committee (DNC) fact-checker Christopher Steele. The Steele dossier details what he and his co-conspirators believed was a Russian spy ring that was working on behalf of Hillary Clinton and the DNC to influence the 2016 presidential election. The dossier has since been declassified and declassified, and has been made public by the Department of Justice, but no one has been charged with any crime, and no one is in any way held accountable for its use of the information. the dossier. This is the biggest dirty trick in U.S. political scandal in American history, and it s one of the most elaborate political smear campaign in modern American history. Roger Stone has a theory that could go down as one of all the dirty tricks ever done in American politics. and why it s the FBI got a warrant for spying on Trump s campaign . by the Justice Department. The most powerful man in American intelligence agency in the entire country and the most powerful guy in the world in order to smear Donald Trump s presidential campaign . the man who did it not to get him on the front page of the New York Times and the front pages of the Washington Post . and much, much more. The guy who got away with it. The one of his name in the most important piece of evidence, too! the one and only book written about him but not much more to make him look bad, right? The one and the only one to do the most, the one who got it right, right and the least, right, and the one with the most in the news.
00:02:22.100Roger, thank you so much for your kind introduction.
00:02:25.000It's great to have our third conversation.
00:02:27.540This week is the first time since, as we recently discussed, since 2016 that I've had the chance to join you.
00:02:39.340And so it's great to be with you, and great to meet Troy as well.
00:02:43.7802016, Carter and I met at a book signing on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
00:02:51.100Little did we know that both of our names would ultimately go down in history in the greatest single dirty trick in American political history,
00:03:01.620the largest single abuse of power in which the Obama administration, with the full compliance and involvement of Vice President Joe Biden,
00:03:16.020used the full authority of the United States government and the incredible capabilities of our intelligence services,
00:03:27.540utilizing what they knew was fraudulent evidence, the Steele dossier,
00:03:32.760and the false allegation that the DNC had been hacked by Russian intelligence to rationalize a completely illegitimate and illegal effort to remove a duly elected president.
00:03:51.620I mean, this is the largest dirty trick in American history.
00:03:57.100So, because the attention span of the American people is so short, I thought it would be useful at the top to just walk through, Carter, exactly what happened to you.
00:04:13.700Troy has reviewed the application they made for the FISA warrant on you.
00:04:19.180So, then I'd like to talk about how you feel about the fact that the Congress has renewed the program without major revision.
00:04:31.400Carter, tell folks how you hooked up with the Trump campaign and exactly what happened to you.
00:04:37.260Well, Roger, it was really the greatest honor of my life that I was given the opportunity to just volunteer as a, you know, a junior person on a, just an incredible foreign policy slash national security team.
00:04:57.640I volunteered in late 2015 and then, you know, not too long later, in March of 2016, President Trump, then candidate Trump, announced in a Washington Post editorial board meeting that myself and, you know, several others would be, would have the opportunity to help him in a, in a advisory team.
00:05:27.640Council. So, it was, it was, it was really some of the most amazing people I've ever worked with in my life.
00:05:34.760And, you know, again, I was just, you know, one, one guy who had, you know, done many billions of dollars of international transactions and had served in the military for many years.
00:05:47.480But, you know, by comparison to some of my colleagues who also had the opportunity to do so, such as General Keith Kellogg and several other generals and retired admirals.
00:06:02.460I was, you know, it was just an incredible working group.
00:06:06.440But, but little did we know, as you're, as you're also alluding to, a lot of, a lot of dirty tricks would start happening very soon thereafter.
00:06:15.080So, they decided to illegally surveil you.
00:06:23.620I'm not really clear on what their probable cause was.
00:06:27.700You were working with President Trump and his campaign, then candidate Trump and his campaign, on foreign policy issues, which is the area of your expertise.
00:06:38.200Well, there, a lot of it is kind of a repeat of what you see on the news every day, Roger, which is one Russia hoax after another.
00:07:01.320You know, these made up stories by both, you know, operatives related to the U.S. government on the one hand, and then driven by the fake news media, which is constantly rolling out one conspiracy theory after another about how anyone that does not support the party line is, by definition, a agent of a foreign power or a Russian agent.
00:07:29.420So, it's just, it's just deja vu all over again, which goes directly to your point in terms of this most recent FISA renewal, which just happened only a few weeks ago.
00:07:43.120So, it's repeat after repeat, lie after lie, and dirty trick after dirty trick, and it only gets worse over time.
00:07:51.560Troy, you have reviewed the application that was made to the FISA court. Tell us about that.
00:08:02.960Well, you know, Roger, it's a pretty astounding document. I just want to say, you know, Mr. Page, it's an honor to be able to speak with you and ask you questions about this, because I view this, as Roger does, and I know so many people, as a pivotal moment in American history.
00:08:15.500It's the moment, really, when government becomes weaponized against a candidate for really, not the first time, but I think in the most egregious sense.
00:08:25.700And while I was reviewing this document, you know, they make some pretty hefty allegations about you, and you know this, you've obviously read it yourself.
00:08:33.080They claim in this that you were actually working on behalf of the Russian government, that you've been an unregistered agent of the Russian government for some time.
00:08:44.640And they also allege, and this to me just seemed to be the most ridiculous claim in the whole thing.
00:08:50.460They claimed, actually, that you were going and talking to Russian government officials and actually getting them to commit and getting the Trump campaign to commit to allowing Russian aggression in Ukraine.
00:09:05.560Now, that's just what the document says.
00:09:08.100I'd like you to comment on that, because they've actually made this allegation against you, and in every sense, where we actually get the facts of the document, and we actually get the facts of the matter in this document, it's blurred out, it's redacted, and we don't get to see the full document.
00:09:23.800Could you comment on them saying that you were actually meeting with the Russians and getting things and favors for the Russians with the Trump campaign?
00:09:33.820Well, the funny part about it is, Troy, it's literally the opposite of the case.
00:09:40.440And what's interesting about it is, while the Democrats were, at the same time, that same year in 2016, were spending over a million dollars in terms of campaign finance violations, and actually hiring foreign spies with ties to Russian intelligence, I was actually working for our government.
00:10:08.580Again, I'm a U.S. Naval Academy graduate.
00:10:12.640I had worked closely with the intelligence community since my time in the Navy and in the years since, and have only been supporting the U.S. government.
00:10:24.400And most recently, since getting out of the Navy, I was never paid one cent, not a cent, to support our government.
00:10:32.660I was a, similar to trying to help the Trump campaign, I was just a volunteer trying to serve my country and help make America better.
00:10:43.680But unfortunately, it was, you know, the dirty tricksters in Washington, and in the political powers that be, were just trying to interfere with U.S. elections, and to work against honorable, hardworking, proud citizens of the United States.
00:11:04.240Well, it's, no, I was just going to say, and I think the most salacious part of this whole thing is that they've actually used this, and I've seen the media interviews with you, sir.
00:11:17.280They actually say that it's all about you.
00:11:27.320Because it seems to me pretty ridiculous.
00:11:28.720Well, the most ridiculous thing about it, Troy, is that it's not just then.
00:11:35.280It's a repeat of what you see time and time again, almost once a week or more, sometimes more frequently, as you and Roger were alluding to, with the most recent renewal of the FISA statute in terms of the 702 program, which is part of it.
00:11:56.400They just make up these lies, and anyone that does not stick with the party line that we have to be a constant war with Russia or constant state of aggression, then you must, by definition, be compromised or working as a Russian agent or an agent of a foreign power.
00:12:17.200So it's just, it's so ridiculous on the face, particularly after we've learned this the hard way, after all the abusive process, all the judicial abuses throughout the last eight plus years, it only continues and it only seems to get worse, at least for the time being.
00:12:36.740We'll see what happens come this November and beginning next January, but at least so far, it's just a complete and utter joke.
00:12:47.200You know, the most amazing thing about this, and Troy, I think you looked at this, is not only did they grant the application for the FISA warrant, but they renewed it multiple times long after they knew that Carter Page was not an agent of the Russian government.
00:13:05.960Carter Page was not having conversations about Trump policy in Ukraine post-election.
00:13:17.660This whole thing seemed to be an effort to, once you surveil Carter Page, you see, under the FISA law, you're allowed to surveil anybody Carter Page is talking to,
00:13:32.460which would include other U.S. citizens, perhaps others involved in the campaign.
00:13:39.600I did enjoy watching the interview in which Donald Trump asserted to Leslie Stahl of CBS that they spied on my campaign and they got caught.
00:13:52.360She kept insisting, there's no proof of that.
00:13:55.380No, we absolutely, positively can prove that.
00:13:58.400That is an undisputed fact, but the media still doesn't want to talk about it.
00:14:05.060We're going to go to a quick commercial break, but when we come back, the question I'm interested in is why none of the House Republicans invited Carter Page to testify in a hearing regarding their decision to renew the FISA warrant program.
00:14:23.800We're going to talk about that when we get right back.
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00:29:45.280I would say in short, Roger, I know we're short on time, but essentially exactly the same.
00:29:51.480And again, as, as we've been talking about, it only seems to get worse and worse.
00:29:56.260And watching President Trump in the courtroom yesterday here in lower Manhattan with him and his family, including Eric Trump there, sitting right behind him.
00:30:09.520It's just entirely reminiscent and it's, it's such a crying shame that it has only gotten worse and worse as the Obama-Biden regime continues to roll out these, these terrible election interference campaigns against both President Trump and literally millions of Americans.
00:30:34.780I want to thank our guest, Carter Page, a man whose name will go down in history.
00:30:39.820I am among those who's deeply disappointed in Speaker Johnson, who cast the tie-breaking vote to renew the FISA program without at least substantial amendment to protect the civil liberties of Americans.
00:30:55.700Carter Page, thank you so much for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:35:22.900And now I want to bring Tina Blanco on to talk about why everyone needs one of these, how it functions, and why this just makes good sense.
00:37:05.520In other words, I have serious questions about the government surveilling cell phone conversations.
00:37:13.840We know, based on their own statement, that the FBI dipped into the 702 database.
00:37:22.840That's the database collected through FISA that we discussed in our previous segment.
00:37:30.060Over 4 million times to collect data on American citizens.
00:37:34.880We also know that they've had as many as 128,000 warrantless surveillances, searches, spying on American citizens.
00:37:46.580Again, without a warrant from a judge.
00:37:50.280So, what about the security in terms of the abilities of anyone, a foreign power, our government, a third party, to monitor your conversations?
00:38:58.240They're also good to take with you if you're on vacation.
00:39:03.020You saw what happened in Hawaii recently with when the less than 5% of the island burned down in Maui.
00:39:12.360But 95% of the island had no cell coverage for over a week.
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00:39:30.980I highly recommend at least be the one in your neighborhood.
00:39:34.700So, that in case there is a disaster, fire, hurricane, tornado, cell towers getting hacked, that you're the neighbor in a neighborhood that has a satellite phone so that you can allow your neighborhood to communicate with the outside world to let everyone know that you're safe.
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00:40:26.800In fact, I was shocked to learn that cell phone coverage covers only about 7% of the Earth, whereas your satellite phone, the 955 Iridium phone, works everywhere on the planet, literally everywhere on the planet.
00:40:48.520So, these would be used in, I guess, a disaster or even in like an outage or something like that.
00:40:54.480What kind of battery life do they have, and are they long-lasting so people can make a lot of calls in a disaster situation?
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00:42:05.080One final thing that I also want to touch up on is that back when the war started with Ukraine, the whole earth was out of satellite phones.
00:43:52.800I never promote it unless it's something that I myself have tested and believe in.
00:43:58.900I was a little skeptical when I got this that it would be, you know, hard to hear, that it would be not as efficient as my cell phone seems.
00:44:28.900All right, folks, that was our guest, Tina Blanco.
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00:44:39.520Troy, you've been watching the political scene.
00:44:42.880We have a few more minutes left here today.
00:44:45.800President Donald Trump goes yet again to another day in trial.
00:44:50.740Late yesterday, the judge fined Trump $9,000 for nine individual violations of his unconstitutional gag order.
00:45:04.080And then the judge set a deadline by which Trump was required to remove certain posts from his truth social page.
00:45:16.820I was watching intently to see whether he would do so by the deadline, by the deadline.
00:45:22.920Interestingly, among those things that he was ordered to take down was a letter signed by Stormy Daniels several years ago in which she said that they had never had a relationship and that all of the allegations regarding the two of them were false.
00:45:42.800Trump was ordered to take the truth social down this this entire trial trial is a travesty.
00:45:54.980I mean, it seems to get worse by the day.
00:45:59.940What's the latest that you have seen out of New York?
00:46:03.940Well, I've been monitoring this case pretty closely, Roger.
00:46:07.140And what I see is a judge that's just gone rogue.
00:46:09.700I mean, these people have gone literally berserk.
00:46:12.040And you, as somebody who's been a veteran of, I believe, 13 different presidential campaigns throughout the years, you can speak to this, Roger, better than anybody.
00:46:20.500The idea that we have a presidential candidate, the nominee for a major party heading into a general election being gagged, not being allowed to talk about things that I believe are truthfully relevant.
00:46:31.720I mean, and this is the bait and switch, Roger.
00:46:34.320This is the Pelosi smear that we hear so much about that we've talked about here.
00:46:37.420The media gets to go out there and say whatever they want about President Trump, they can make any allegation.
00:46:44.780They've accused him of all kind of crazy things that there's no evidence of or to support that he committed any of these crimes that they accused him of.
00:46:53.800And yet he's not allowed to post a letter in which Stormy Daniels admits that there was no relationship between the two of them.
00:47:00.260So I'd like you to comment just as a veteran of all these presidential campaigns, Roger, how out of the ordinary is it that you have a gag order in place for a candidate for president?
00:47:11.560And on top of that, the idea that they're tying Trump's hands behind his back and not allowing him to speak while the media does whatever they want and paints him however they want in this case, it seems eerily similar to the situation you were put into.
00:47:50.780The good news is, well, the American people see through it.
00:47:54.500We're going to go to a quick commercial break, and then we'll be back to wrap up today's Stone Zone and kind of summarize what's going on in New York City.
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00:51:45.260And I remember when we first started doing these or first came on board here, you know, I look back at those days and I look at the viewers we have now.
00:51:54.280And the level of, you know, to be able to talk to a Carter Page, Roger, I mean, there's no understating how unbelievable that is and the importance of that man and what he's been through in U.S. history and how this all ties in to President Donald Trump, who I believe is probably the most important historical figure in the last hundred years, at least maybe in American political history.
00:52:20.100So to go through this entire thing, to watch the guests come in here and to be hitting things across the country.
00:52:26.720It's an honor and it's just another reason why people out there need to be subscribed to the show, need to watch the show every day because I don't think, I've watched a lot of the other shows, Roger.
00:52:36.680I've watched a lot of the other interviews because we obviously have to cross-reference things and obviously have to research before we have guests on.
00:52:43.440And I don't think there's any place else on the web or on television or radio, for that matter, where they can get the kind of content they get here at the Stone Zone.
00:52:55.020And as we were touching on really before we went to the break there, Roger, President Trump is being put through the ringer in New York City.
00:53:03.260And he's being put through, he's really having his hands tied behind his back.
00:53:06.480He's not allowed to respond to what's being leaked out by the attorneys and Michael Cohen, who, by the way, is on TikTok, as you said, accepting money for putting out information about President Trump.
00:53:19.760You know, there's a there's a huge problem there.
00:53:22.780But I'd like to get your comment on on because you obviously are friends with the president and you speak to him from time to time.
00:53:29.800How how is he doing in the midst of all this?
00:53:32.600He he's not sitting back and kind of contemplate.
00:53:35.200It looks to me like he's constantly on the attack.
00:54:09.420He's a little angry, but I think he has every right to be angry because no other previous president has been treated this way.
00:54:18.000He's well aware of the fact that as the judge in the documents case, unredacts more and more that special counsel Jack Smith wants hidden, that that whole thing looks like a frame job.
00:54:31.800It looks like the GSA and the National Archives shipped him a pallet of boxes of documents that he didn't ask for.
00:54:41.660And then once they confirmed that they had arrived at Mar-a-Lago, reported that Trump was in illegal possession of the very documents they sent.
00:54:53.020The president's lawyers argue that under the Presidential Documents Act that he's entitled to do anything he wants with his documents, the documents of his presidency.
00:55:04.120He can decide what goes back to the government, what he gets to keep.
00:55:07.580Now, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who just happened to have been the judge in my case, she ruled for President Bill Clinton, saying that Bill Clinton could essentially do whatever he wants with his presidential documents, including keeping them in the sock drawer at his home.
00:55:26.400So why that is not the governing law here is kind of a mystery to me.
00:55:32.540Trump is not charged for some violation of the Presidential Records Act, and the government claims that that's not the governing law.
00:55:42.480They have actually charged him under the Espionage Act, although the false claims of Trump has got the nuclear codes, he's keeping them at Mar-a-Lago, he's going to sell them to the Chinese, he's going to sell them to the Russians.
00:55:58.120And that's what they call the wrap-up smear that Nancy Pelosi is so very good at.
00:56:04.280Make up a lie, get somebody in the mainstream media to write it as if it's a fact, then point to that story and say, ah, you see, it's true because USA Today reported it or Yahoo News reported it.
00:56:20.980Therefore, it must be true, and then, as Nancy Pelosi says, merchandise it and continue to push it.
00:56:28.780This is the exact format that they use.
00:56:33.780And right now, I think what you've got is hysteria, actual apoplexy, because it's very unlikely, lawyers tell me, that either the Florida documents case or the D.C. case involving election interference brought by Jack Smith, which is the election interference itself,
00:56:57.600they tell me it is unlikely, given the Supreme Court's deliberate due process that they have afforded President Trump, that either one of those cases will get to trial before the election.
00:57:14.500In New York, they don't really care if a conviction that they win with a crooked judge and a rigged jury and by prohibiting Trump from defending himself and by limiting what defenses he can offer.
00:57:29.840They don't care if they get a conviction and that conviction is later overturned on appeal because, you see, the election will be over by then.
00:57:39.440All they care about is getting a conviction, any conviction in any jurisdiction, and this is the one they're down to.
00:57:49.640Now, as you know, the U.S. attorney looked at this case in the Southern District of New York, rejected it as finding no violation of the law.
00:57:59.080The Federal Election Commission investigated it.
00:58:06.940It is it is it is an outrageous process.
00:58:10.960And all that we can do right now, Troy, I do this every night, is pray that there is just one juror, just one reasonable, honest, nonpolitical juror who will look at the facts presented by Trump's lawyers and refuse to convict.
00:58:33.420I'm afraid we are out of time and therefore we've got to move on down the road on behalf of myself, Roger Stone, and my co-host, Troy Smith.
00:58:42.260Thank you for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:58:45.680Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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