On this episode of The Stone Zone with Roger Stone, the host is joined by retired Col. John Mills, a former Director of Cyber Strategy and Strategy at the Center for Security Policy at the Department of Defense, to discuss a variety of topics, including the Alex Jones bankruptcy filing, the latest on the latest in the Russia/U.S. relations between the United States and Russia, and the ongoing investigation into Hillary Clinton's possible involvement in a Russian hack of a DNC server. Also, President Trump is facing a possible prison sentence of up to 20 years in prison and could be sentenced as early as July 12th, 2020, which would be the date of his sentencing hearing in the New York City court case brought forward by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia/Trump investigation. The special counsel has not yet released a report on the matter, but it is expected to be declassified and declassified by the end of the year. The White House has not denied that Hillary Clinton conspired with the Russian government to hack the DNC and other Democratic targets in order to obtain compromising information on Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton s campaign. But the White House insists that there is no evidence that she colluded with the Russians in any way with the hack. If so, who is to blame? and who is responsible for the hack? and why is this a good thing? Roger Stone has a theory that could be the answer? The answer may surprise you! Join the conversation by using the hashtag , on social media to find out who s working for the President Trump s campaign and why Hillary Clinton is a crook. . with the truth and why she s a cro crooper . and how she s colluding with Russia s the truth is not the only thing she s working with Russia And why she should be worried about her or not working with her . . with Russia. and who s really working for China what s working to topple America if she s not working for Russia and what she s really is working for them What s going to do about it? , and why they re working for her? And is she working for us I ll tell you the truth, and what s she s doing it, and why it s working not working on our interests, and why they should do it
00:03:54.940I was actually just reading about that.
00:03:56.860You have to point all national security decisions with the Biden team toward Jake Sullivan, Jake the Snake Sullivan, who has zero experience in uniform.
00:04:10.880I think zero experience running anything except running his mouth.
00:04:16.880He's the one who is making these decisions.
00:04:33.020They're going, well, it's only targets that are close to the border.
00:04:37.660Parsing doesn't work in the real world when you're dealing with nation states that want to topple America and have nuclear weapons.
00:04:45.380And I'm talking about Russia, but Russia is really working for China.
00:04:49.200This whole situation in Ukraine is—ladies and gentlemen, we have to constantly remind ourselves this is part of the no-limits agreement to topple America, with China as the senior partner, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela as the junior partners.
00:05:09.620This is very dangerous, and I don't think Jake Sullivan is thinking this through, and decisions like this—I've sat on these decisions like this before at the National Security Council.
00:05:21.680They don't come lightly, and I'm very disappointed if we have uniformed military members endorsing this and thinking this is a good idea.
00:05:30.980Jake Sullivan, of course, embroiled deeply in the Russian collusion hoax.
00:05:35.760Don't listen to me. Listen to the special report of—pardon me, the final report of Special Counsel John Durham.
00:05:44.020It was Jake Sullivan and Hillary Clinton herself who knew that there was no Russian alpha bank computer terminal or connection to Trump Tower, but he authorized the dissemination of that information.
00:05:57.800Anyway, Jake Sullivan doesn't get prosecuted when he breaks the law, but I get prosecuted when I didn't break the law.
00:06:06.840It would be funny if it hadn't been so incredibly expensive that Jake Sullivan, even in government, is amazing, considering his involvement in the Russian collusion hack.
00:06:21.160Speaking of that, I mean, our own Secretary of State, who is as bad at guitar playing as he is at Statescraft, he was the guy who organized those who were the 51 current and former intelligence operatives and officers who co-signed a letter claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop had, quote,
00:06:44.600All the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, claimed that, claimed that in a debate, it was a lie in a Delaware courtroom just last week, became very clear that the government admits that Hunter Biden's laptop is completely and totally real.
00:07:03.420And the crimes that are documented there go far beyond this minor buying a gun while having a drug addiction.
00:07:16.500While that is serious and many people, overwhelmingly minorities, have gone to jail for it, the larger crimes here of essentially lobbying on behalf of foreign powers,
00:07:30.600influence peddling on behalf of foreign powers without filing a foreign agents registration act or the willful decision by prosecutors in Delaware to let the statute of limitations on tax evasion run out are egregious examples of the double standard.
00:07:52.960Colonel Mills, Colonel Mills, we also read, and I think we've got a headline on this, in what appears to be retaliation for the decision to use U.S., also allied missiles to strike targets inside Russia,
00:08:09.960it appears that Vladimir Putin has moved nuclear submarines into the Gulf of Mexico, into very close to our shores.
00:08:26.360This is a return to Cold War days, where there used to be very regular visits by Russian long-range bombers, by Russian submarines, Russian warships.
00:08:37.760Yes, Cuba should be now looked at as a subcontractor to Venezuela, who's the prime subcontractor to China for influence operations in the right off 90 miles south of Key West.
00:08:55.700This is extremely dangerous, provocative.
00:08:57.920I would suggest we have had a second missile crisis in Cuba for potentially years.
00:09:05.040When China announced, when Tony Blinken was desperately trying to go to China on his apology tour last year in 2023,
00:09:16.900China had already announced that they were helping Russia reopen the spy base at Lourdes, Cuba, just kind of to the left and a little bit below Havana.
00:09:28.180Now, I suggest that that Lourdes spy base has never been closed.
00:09:32.740There's actually documents going back to the 90s, where China was actually involved in the Lourdes spy base.
00:09:38.540And Russia announced, because of budget reasons, they closed in 2020, or excuse me, the year 2000.
00:09:44.500I don't think they ever actually closed Lourdes.
00:09:46.200So I would suggest, and when Blinken left in his disastrous visit with Xi, where he did this bizarre semi-bow, semi-back pain.
00:09:58.300It was, if you're going to bow, at least bow.
00:10:04.860If the Chinese are doing training, military, because that's what they announced when Biden left.
00:10:10.560They said, we're not only doing the spy base, we're also doing mill-to-mill training, which is dramatically different, new, and a great provocation.
00:10:19.260I would suggest they probably have long-range missiles already in Cuba to protect their training and their intelligence.
00:10:26.680That's what they do on their overseas bases, such as Djibouti, where they have surface-to-air missiles because they're concerned we're going to attack their spy base in Djibouti.
00:10:36.260And we have a base just like 10 minutes, a 10-minute drive away.
00:10:41.540So I would suggest we already have and have had, with the Biden team, a missile crisis in Cuba already.
00:10:49.400These long-range missiles, the S-300 and the S-400, are extremely long-range, extremely accurate, extremely powerful.
00:10:59.840You can not only knock down an airliner over Orlando halfway up the Florida coast with these S-300, S-400 missiles, you can also use them to strike ground targets.
00:11:12.540I would suggest we very likely have a missile crisis, a second missile crisis already in Cuba.
00:11:18.680The Biden team is either not doing anything about it or we don't have any resource to actually monitor and even assess that.
00:11:26.260Everything is always the intelligence cut line.
00:11:29.360And if it's not above the intelligence cut line, we may actually – our immense capabilities may be collecting, but nobody is processing or acting.
00:11:38.020I would suggest none of these things are above the intel cut line.
00:11:41.960And so we're not really paying attention to what's going on in Cuba.
00:11:44.980But this is a dangerous provocation, and this visit by the Russian sub and other ships is just part of this provocation.
00:11:53.520And Jake Sullivan is doing nothing but trying to throw elections in Israel.
00:11:58.520Let me make sure I understand you, because I think I do.
00:12:02.540I think what you're telling me is we either don't have the capability or we're not bothering to determine whether the Chinese have already mounted missiles in Cuba.
00:12:18.500Making news here, folks, right here at the Stone Zone with one of our favorite guests, Colonel John Mills.
00:12:25.820And Colonel Mills, we're grateful to you for joining us at the last moment.
00:12:30.960I'm delighted that you were able to join us, because I think domestic politics is really making all of these major foreign policy stories take a backseat.
00:12:41.880I think many Americans are unaware that we continue to tiptoe towards war in two different theaters.
00:12:52.680Several weeks ago, as you know, Iran launched a missile attack on Israel, a drone and missile attack.
00:13:02.660We are told that not only the Iron Dome of Israel, but also anti-missile technology supplied by the United States, the Saudis, I believe the French, perhaps UK.
00:13:48.060But yes, the score was essentially 350 to zero.
00:13:51.500Now, I noticed this report that went right over a lot of people's heads was there was this report from two White House officials who were talking on background.
00:14:01.880That's deep state code word for most likely Jake Sullivan whispering.
00:14:06.460And I've been in the White House when John Brennan talked on.
00:14:11.340It's a very common practice procedure to talk on background.
00:14:14.460But they said they were able to disrupt the launches of even more of the Iranian missiles, which implies we were reaching in via cyber methods to make a mess out of the launch facilities at, I think it was Natanz and Isfahan.
00:14:30.840So we were using remote cyber capabilities to reach in and make a mess because a lot of their missiles were liquid-fueled, which have an extremely complex and dangerous fueling process before firing.
00:14:45.360And the wrong valve turned at the wrong time could be catastrophic, especially when they're launching them from underground bunkers.
00:14:53.260One of those things cooks off underground.
00:14:57.040So I think it really was 350 to zero, which gave the Iranians great pause, gave the Chinese great pause because they're going, wow, the coordinated—and we have to do a shout-out, UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, France, the U.K., the U.S. all worked with Israel.
00:15:17.860We've actually had these missile defense plans in place for almost 20 years for Israel.
00:15:23.080The coordinated effort worked very well, very well.
00:15:26.500Now, some have said, well, we tipped them off.
00:15:28.400They knew—I'm not totally sure about that.
00:15:32.700And you just don't—we're going to let you shoot 350 times at Israel, but we're going to make—but we want you to miss every time.
00:15:40.360And so I think it actually really worked remarkably well.
00:15:44.420But I still—that doesn't in any way release Jake Sullivan or any of the other smarmy characters from all the games they've been playing on this and many other topics, including with you, Roger.
00:15:58.760Colonel Mills, we have had an open border now for essentially the duration of the Biden administration.
00:16:09.160Experts tell me that the estimate of 10 million illegals in the country is likely low, some say quite low.
00:16:18.920We had Christy Hutchison on this program not long ago.
00:16:23.980She did a great job of outlining a number of the weapons that have come across the border, not just people, but weapons.
00:16:31.620On a scale of 1 to 10, maybe that's not the way to do it, but on a scale of 1 to 10, what is the likelihood of some kind of terrorist attack on American soil?
00:16:49.160I just had breakfast this morning with somebody who knows this topic extremely well, a quite noteworthy figure, and this is one of the topics we were going over.
00:16:59.180Absolutely, they are pre-positioning special operators for coordinated assaults.
00:17:04.380And I just had an article come out in Epoch Times about the vulnerability of Department of Defense bases, you know, and the number of Chinese.
00:17:12.380I mean, at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, which—right next to Kennedy Space Center, which launches all of the classified spy satellites.
00:17:23.220You know, we had three Chinese nationals there picked up who were scuba diving right offshore.
00:17:31.240All you need is a sniper rifle or a small rocket, and you could take out a lot of very expensive things we're trying to launch into orbit.
00:17:39.720We had three Chinese nationals at Key West in 2020 were convicted of probing the different naval facilities on Key West.
00:17:49.440Isn't that suspicious? Were they just trying to figure out our capabilities as they built up in Cuba?
00:17:55.020And then, oh, right, on the Bahamas also.
00:17:57.520So these Chinese special operators are real—and they're always pivoting for whatever reason.
00:18:02.340They're muscling in on legal cannabis operations.
00:18:06.680Because the unbankable cash of state legal cannabis is a great funding mechanism to pay the $250 a night for all these—suddenly they were violent transgender protesters yesterday.
00:18:22.140Now they're Hamas and Palestinian protesters.
00:18:28.080I would suggest legal cannabis being skimmed by Chinese special operators.
00:18:31.700There's documented cases all over the country, Chinese muscling in on these operations, unbankable—it's a Disneyland for skimming operations.
00:19:47.660Yeah, this is absolute coordinated—in military terms in the U.S. and joint doctrine, we would call this strategic reconnaissance, strategic reconnaissance.
00:19:59.800They are definitely checking the readiness of our facilities.
00:20:03.900I mean, Quantico, which is about a 10 to 15-minute drive from right where I'm sitting right now, you know, they had two—it was Jordanian nationals.
00:20:12.400There was one on the terror watch list, both illegals coming across the southern border.
00:20:17.240This is part of the coordinated campaign.
00:20:19.200But Chinese nationals all over the place in Alaska, right where some of our Navy special—I was about to reveal location here—where some of our Navy special warfare units in Virginia.
00:20:33.540You know, they're running a biolab out in, what is it, Reedley, California.
00:21:22.840It's a war against the deep state, the foundation of the mass surveillance system, which I helped set up under lawful purposes in the original.
00:21:30.740It's been weaponized against the American people.
00:21:33.560Also, this helped the rise of the unlawful fourth, fifth, and sixth branches of government.
00:22:39.920Folks, we saw last week the decision by a federal judge to incarcerate Steve Bannon in his contempt of Congress conviction.
00:22:55.920That is a conviction that is yet again being appealed.
00:23:00.680In my opinion, Mr. Bannon had the finest criminal defense lawyer in the country, David Schoen, represent him.
00:23:10.920Schoen told me on numerous occasions that he thought the underpinnings of Steve Bannon's appeal were incredibly solid.
00:23:19.680There are important questions here of executive privilege.
00:23:23.800The hearing for that was early last week.
00:23:29.680And I think David Schoen, literally a very respected veteran of the criminal justice system, was literally shocked by what he found in court.
00:23:44.140This is kind of long, but it's well worth it.
00:24:12.680And The New York Times was reporting that Judge Nichols responded in a way that let him, you know, he wasn't too thrilled with your response, saying,
00:24:18.700One thing I can need you to learn as a lawyer is that when a judge has decided, you do not get up and yell at them.
00:24:25.320Look, I know you're an advocate for your client.
00:24:35.860It goes against everything that he has said in this case.
00:24:38.520Judge Nichols found substantial questions for the appeal, said twice that Bannon should not be serving his time while the appeals process runs.
00:24:47.960There's nothing about the panel decision that changed that.
00:24:51.200Judge Nichols said that the definition of willfully used in this case cannot be reconciled with the modern or traditional definition of willfully.
00:24:59.700Laura, you know, I'm a big fan of yours, but I have to correct something you said in the monologue.
00:25:03.300Former President Trump absolutely did invoke executive privilege.
00:25:30.220The primary argument here is that in the 60 years since this Licavoli case, which says willfully, solely in the context of this statute, means did you get a subpoena and comply or not comply with no reason matters.
00:25:42.46060 years since then, the court has, the definition of willfully has evolved.
00:25:46.980So in 2019, the court said, literally, when Congress wants to say an act is criminal, then they say willfully, you must know that the act you did was illegal or wrong, or we don't attribute criminal liability to it.
00:26:03.960And certainly, I'm not above clarification if you think it's necessary to do so.
00:26:07.360But let me talk from the audience's perspective on the case you just described.
00:26:10.880And just in plain speak, this comes down to the notion of advice of counsel and whether that was a willful action by Steve Bannon to not comply with the subpoena.
00:26:19.820If it was advice of counsel, I think he wanted to argue that, listen, it wasn't a deliberate act.
00:26:25.040It was advice of counsel he was following, and that's why he didn't provide the information to respond.
00:26:29.940The court, though, did find, although they did wait some time, that they were, their hands were tied on the idea of it had to be a deliberate, intentional act.
00:26:37.900And that was enough to go forward in this case.
00:26:40.300And so here you are, getting ready to appeal this matter, likely, I'm assuming, all the way up to the Supreme Court if necessary.
00:26:46.120Peter Navarro, though, did try to appeal to the Supreme Court.
00:26:49.180What would make this instance different to you?
00:26:53.440Peter Navarro's case is completely different.
00:26:55.420There was no executive privilege ever invoked in the case.
00:27:00.680Listen, the cases even before Licavoli and in the Licavoli case, the 1961 case that Nichols says he was following, the defendant was permitted to testify as to his reasons.
00:27:09.820At the government's behest, this Department of Justice behest, Bannon was barred from testifying.
00:27:14.600Costello was barred from testifying about what happened and what their reasons were.
00:27:18.960And the jury was told they may not consider the reasons.
00:27:21.520Remember, Costello got the subpoena, not Bannon.
00:27:24.520Costello, as an experienced lawyer, told Bannon, executive privilege has been invoked.
00:27:34.260But, he told the committee, if you take him before a court and the court says privilege doesn't apply or it's not this broad, he will comply fully.
00:27:52.200What is the argument you would make to the Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court that you think would allow your client not to serve those four months in jail time?
00:28:01.320What would be a successful legal appellate argument?
00:28:07.480The definition of willfully used by the Licavoli Court that this court said their hands were tied by is no longer a valid definition of willfully in the criminal law, period.
00:28:17.360The Supreme Court has said it since 2015.
00:29:13.460Well, Steve Bannon has argued something different than what you were describing today.
00:29:17.380He's talking about weaponization in more loaded terms.
00:29:21.040He's talking about this being, um, an issue that is more broadly with the narrative we're hearing about, um, an attack on Trump, an attempt to try to suppress MAGA as well.
00:29:32.240I mean, shutting down the MAGA movement he's accused this judge of doing.
00:29:35.480This is, by the way, a Trump-appointed judge.
00:29:38.940This is somebody who was a clerk, I believe, of, if I'm not mistaken, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
00:29:43.240He's been a partner in a number of law firms as well and well-well regarded.
00:29:46.780Does that undermine the arguments that you are now making?
00:30:10.180He shouldn't have changed his bail status.
00:30:11.540Listen, it's not such a major event in the sense that all he could have done was let him out on bail until rehearing and rehearing on Bonk is decided.
00:30:19.200In this case, what he did, though, is pull the rug out from under him because he has to file now.
00:30:24.180He's going to send a person to prison who he himself has said didn't comply, who he himself has said was convicted under a definition of willfully that simply is not consistent with the law.
00:31:43.240But at this point, I really am praying for him because I believe he is being attacked by the same people who attacked General Flynn,
00:31:51.480who attacked me, who attacked Paul Manafort, who attacked George Papadopoulos,
00:31:57.020who attacked Carter Page, and who attacked, today, Donald J. Trump.
00:32:04.540Folks, do you remember, it was only weeks ago, really, that AT&T's entire cell system went down?
00:32:12.800And millions of people, including me, were unable to contact loved ones or business associates or even call for emergency services.
00:32:23.760You see, that's because the cellular system is extraordinarily vulnerable.
00:32:28.560Vulnerable to hackers, vulnerable to terrorists, vulnerable to natural weather conditions like hurricanes.
00:32:38.200And there is a great danger in relying solely on your cell phone.
00:32:44.720Then, of course, if the entire electric grid went down, which numerous technical experts, cybersecurity experts on this show have told us is a very real possibility,
00:52:31.000In 1970, in Connecticut, Senator Thomas J. Dodd was censured by his colleagues for taking money that was ostensibly raised for his campaign, but using it to pay his personal expenses.
00:52:52.520Dodd was not rejected from the Senate, but he was censured by his colleagues.
00:52:58.560When it became clear that he was likely to be defeated for renomination in 1970, the Democratic Organization put forward a businessman named Alphonse Donoghue, where the anti-war forces, remember, this is the height of the Vietnam War,
00:53:19.060who were indicted, pardon me, endorsed and nominated the Reverend Joseph Duffy, who was the head of Americans for Democratic Action and a hardcore progressive who was against the war.
00:53:33.780In that three-way split, on election day, Republican Congressman Lowell Weicker from the 4th District of Connecticut went to the Senate.
00:53:43.360So, could New Jersey, in a three-way split, similar to what happened in 1970, elect a Republican senator?
00:53:52.000Curtis Bashaw won the Republican primary last week, mostly funded by the Republican bosses, the county chairman,
00:54:01.360who under the current system, who under the current system have great influence because they control the line, which is essentially a superior ballot position.
00:54:11.920And it is not inconceivable that he could actually be competitive for the U.S. Senate.
00:54:19.460Republicans have not had a U.S. senator since 1978.
00:54:24.840It's the last time New Jersey elected a Republican U.S. senator.
00:54:29.460This, once again, a race that we'll be watching very, very closely.
00:54:34.900I would say that Trump has to watch New Jersey.
00:54:40.920Trump strategist Tony Fabrizio, for whom I have the highest possible regard, has said repeatedly that their campaign is looking to expand the map.
00:54:53.740And I think that expansion could well include New Jersey.
00:54:59.960Let's go back to, we have a little bit more time.
00:55:03.820Here is a question from Terry in Fairfield, Connecticut.
00:55:08.840Terry says, what is your opinion of Governor Burgum?
00:55:13.300You know, several weeks ago, I guess now several months ago, I had the occasion of speaking to the Collier County, Florida, Lincoln-Reagan dinner, where the governor was one of the other speakers.
00:55:29.740Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, now the Republican nominee for governor in North Carolina, was also a speaker.
00:55:37.980I was very, very favorably impressed by Doug Burgum.
00:55:51.440He talks about running the government like a business, which, of course, is one of the great attributes of Donald Trump.
00:55:58.500In his first term, where we had record prosperity, record job growth, record wage growth, billions of dollars coming back into the country to be invested here, create jobs here.
00:56:13.680I was favorably impressed by Burgum, but remember the axiom of former President Richard Nixon, who said, in looking for a vice presidential running mate, don't look for someone who can help you.
00:56:32.960Just find someone who doesn't hurt you.
00:56:36.700Burgum would meet that criteria perfectly.
00:56:39.500There is no evidence that he is a neocon.
00:56:42.180He is, others will say, well, that's two old white guys on the ticket.
00:56:48.640It's more important that you pick somebody who the voters view is actually has the judgment and temperament to be president.
00:56:57.340I think Burgum, among others, would be excellent in that regard.
00:57:35.000Now, experienced attorneys, people I respect, say, given the fact that the president has no previous record, given the nature of these crimes, they believe that the judge will impose a prison sentence, but then stay that sentence pending appeal.
00:57:55.820So I think that they are being optimistic.
00:58:03.780It's not about Trump violating the law, because the prosecution can't even identify the underlying crime that would make these bookkeeping entries a felony rather than a misdemeanor.
00:58:18.720I think that Judge Merchant wants to become a liberal icon, like, say, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
00:58:31.720He may also aspire to a federal judgeship.
00:58:36.660And therefore, I'm bracing for the worst.
00:58:40.100I don't know whether that is sending the president to Rikers Island, which is a hellhole, or whether it is home arrest, let's say, at the Trump Tower and the indignity of wearing an ankle bracelet.
00:58:58.100This past Sunday, I had Will Scharf on my 77 WABC radio show.
00:59:04.840He also appeared here at the Stone Zone.
00:59:07.500I do have a lot of confidence in Mr. Scharf, and I think all the legal options are being examined.
00:59:16.420Excellent presentation by Mark Levin the other night about how to get this question before the Supreme Court prior to sentencing.
00:59:26.940This is something that every Trump supporter needs to be praying about.
00:59:32.280Well, I am praying about it, as is everyone in my family.
00:59:37.240Pray every day for the president's safety.
00:59:40.500I pray every day for the president's strength.
00:59:45.280We are hopeful that the judge will stay any sentence of incarceration.
00:59:54.620But then that wouldn't be very effective if the goal is election interference.