Liz Crokin is an award-winning author, an independent investigative journalist, and a documentary film producer. She is best known for her relentless work against sex trafficking. Liz executive produced the film Slave Princess, which covered Britney Spears' illicit conservatorship and the systematic corruption surrounding the media, Hollywood, and the government. In the spring of 2020, Liz appeared in the viral documentary Out of Shadows, which has been viewed by over 100 million people globally, and has actually translated into two dozen languages. She has broken many, many exclusive stories about the misadventures and misbehavior of those in Hollywood. But it is her role as an advocate and, frankly, a whistleblower, that she has done her most important work. We are honored to have my friend Liz Crokin on The Stone Zone. Join us as we discuss the recent raids on the Los Angeles and Miami homes of hip-hop artist P. Diddy, and why the FBI should have been targeting him first. And, of course, why Jeffrey Epstein should never be allowed to own a house in the first place, no matter how much money he may or may not have stashed away in the United States. The Stonezone is a production of Gimlet Media and Slingshot News. Please rate, review, and subscribe to our new show on Apple Podcasts and wherever else you get your news and information needs a good ol' reliable source to help keep them on the up and up to date. Thank you for listening and sharing the Stone Zone! Roger - The StoneZ Zone "The Stone Zone" - by Roger Stone "The Real Story" by and "Out of Shadows" by Liz "Cynthia" Crokin "The Secret Life of P.D. " & "Out Of Shadows" is a post on Insta: on ( ) , . @ # or "The White House is a place where you can find us on the Real Story? ? And "The New York Times" is Is She Here? & can you help us spread the word about the truth about it? , "The Oldest & The Real Story by , and "The Most Beautiful, The Most Authentic & The Most Beautiful And The Most Accurate & the Most Beautiful & The Worst of It's Not the Most Authenticated? .
00:06:58.940But, so, and the reason why they're calling him the black Epstein is because it's not just that he's allegedly involved in the child sex trafficking.
00:07:08.240He also alleges involved in blackmail.
00:07:11.600He's also allegedly involved in wiring all of his homes with security cameras in order so he could videotape people committing crimes and or in compromising positions so he can blackmail them.
00:07:26.720And as we all know, Jeffrey Epstein was not just running a child sex trafficking ring, he was running an intelligence operation, a.k.a. a potty pot to blackmail people.
00:07:40.020So, that's the reason why people are calling him the black Epstein, because the crimes that he's been accused of are very similar to the crimes that Jeffrey Epstein's been accused of.
00:07:51.400Now, there are a lot of people that are aligned with Diddy that can be brought into this.
00:07:59.940A lot of his powerful celebrity friends, I think, are panicking right now, such as Jay-Z, you know, and his other pals in the rap community.
00:08:10.220He, a lot of these crimes allegedly took place at these infamous parties that he had, and again, according to people that have been speaking out against him, and people who have filed the lawsuits, and other people are saying that a lot of these crimes took place at these wild parties.
00:08:31.600So, it is looking like this is a massive ring, and it could potentially involve dozens, maybe hundreds of other people, high profile names, celebrities, and then there's a lot of people also involved, potentially, that, you know, are powerful people.
00:08:50.140There may be names that we're not as familiar with, but they're powerful people that work, you know, in the music industry, and I would even argue it could bring down politicians.
00:08:58.620You know, we know that Diddy's done a lot of work with politicians, and the Obamas, and so has Jay-Z, so it'll be very interesting to see how this unfolds.
00:09:10.280You know, Liz, you made a very good point in a text to me last night.
00:09:15.120People really do need to have some context.
00:09:18.380Child sex trafficking, pedophilia, among the ruling elite in this country, in Europe, is not in any way a new thing.
00:09:26.720About a week ago, we had Nick Bryant on the show.
00:09:30.680Nick Bryant is an amazing investigative journalist.
00:09:33.720He's really the first American journalist who revealed and exposed the truth about Jeffrey Epstein for Gawker magazine.
00:09:42.800He was, I believe, among the first reporters to get Epstein's little black book, to get the FAA manifests showing who had flown to the island.
00:09:57.400I covered much of this in my own book on the Clintons with full attribution to Nick Bryant, who I flew to New York to meet with several times.
00:10:06.340What's amazing is how long it was ignored.
00:10:11.140And as some people may not realize, Epstein originally got charged in the state of Florida.
00:10:18.440It is pretty clear that the investigation by the Palm Beach police secured him more than enough evidence to charge him with child sex trafficking and more serious crimes.
00:10:32.300But he ultimately got off the hook, essentially, with a slap on the wrist.
00:10:38.200He was allowed to plead initially to one charge of solicitation.
00:10:43.980That's like going into a bar and trying to pick up a hooker.
00:10:46.740And when the police chief, who had conducted the undercover investigation, objected, they just bumped that up to solicitation of a minor, which is still a serious crime, but not nearly as serious as child sex trafficking.
00:11:03.240And then the state's attorney allowed Jeffrey Epstein to plead to that one charge.
00:11:08.680He got an 18-month sentence, of which he only served 15 months.
00:11:15.400But he was allowed to serve his sentence in the brand-new, air-conditioned wing of the Palm Beach County Jail, where he had his gourmet meals brought in, where he was only required to be from 10 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:11:33.240During the day, he was free to travel.
00:11:35.300He actually used sheriff's deputies, essentially, as his own kind of personal security squad.
00:11:43.080It's only because of the dogged work of a reporter named Julie Brown of the Miami Herald that that story unraveled.
00:11:53.540Before that, as you correctly pointed out to me, there was the Franklin scandal, in which a flamboyant financial criminal and big Republican in Nebraska, Larry King, somehow got a backdoor to Boys Town and was trafficking both boys and girls underage to Washington, D.C. and elsewhere.
00:12:15.720Now, we had Alicia Owens on our show last week.
00:12:20.380I know that she was trafficked to the chief of police in Omaha.
00:12:23.980I know she was trafficked to the publisher of the largest newspaper in the state.
00:13:30.080Pizzagate is basically that Hillary Clinton's associates were using the pedophile code word pizza in the Podesta emails that were released in 2016.
00:13:38.760And what Pizzagate basically is, it's no different than the Franklin scandal.
00:13:43.400And that is that there's a group of powerful people, elites, celebrities and politicians around the world that are involved in the rape, torture and trafficking of kids.
00:13:52.380And as you said, this has been going on for a very long time.
00:13:56.820There's been scandals all over the United States, as you mentioned, you know, the Franklin scandal, McMartin preschool scandal.
00:14:05.080There's been rings in Europe that have been exposed in Canada as well.
00:14:08.580And then on top of that, it's not new to see politicians and or celebrities or musicians involved in pedophilia.
00:14:18.080You know, I was texting you last night.
00:14:19.860I just happened to watch this crime show the other night, and it was about Jerry Lee Lewis.
00:14:26.100And I'm watching the crime show, and a woman comes on, and she's talking about how she was forced to marry him at the age of 13, and she was his cousin.
00:14:36.160And I never knew that about him, and I'm like, geez, like, I mean, are there any people in the music industry and or Hollywood who aren't pedophiles?
00:14:44.280Because it just seems that it's more the norm that celebrities in Hollywood, musicians, you know, and politicians at the highest level are involved in trafficking and or are actual pedophiles.
00:14:58.380So this has been going on for a very long time.
00:15:01.980And part of the reason why this has not come to surface is because, number one, you have the media that is completely owned and controlled by the people involved in these elite pedophile rings.
00:15:16.600So they're constantly lying about this, covering this up, slandering people like you and I, and not telling the truth about these elite pedophile rings.
00:15:28.380Number two, as you mentioned earlier, these rings often have judges involved, police officers involved, members of the FBI involved, members of the government at very high level involved.
00:15:44.280I mean, there's been reports recently of a high-profile prostitution and or trafficking ring that's actually involved in the, I believe, the Virginia, Maryland area that's allegedly tied to Chinese espionage.
00:16:01.380And law enforcement has come out and said that people involved in that ring, there's many who have security clearances with our government.
00:16:11.280So the reason why this has been kept underground for so long is because the fox is guarding the henhouse here.
00:16:21.040And as we learned from Diddy, from the revelations from these lawsuits that have been filed against him, is that according to these lawsuits, Diddy has bragged for years how he has law enforcement, you know, all on his side and working with him just like they did with Epstein to make sure that he can do no wrong.
00:16:45.300And if he ever has an issue with him, and if he ever has an issue with the law or any alleged crimes, that he's protected.
00:16:54.480If you remember, you know, over two decades ago when he was dating J-Lo, you know, there was that incident he was involved in, the shooting he was involved in, in a nightclub, you know, he got off.
00:17:05.020And so a lot of these elite pedophiles, they're protected because there are members of government and people in the judicial system and whatnot, they're also involved in their rings that protect them.
00:17:22.700All right, folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to the incredible Liz Crokin.
00:17:29.720We're going to take a quick commercial break.
00:17:32.160When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit more about Jay-Z, some amazing things that Liz has reported on him.
00:17:42.180I think our friend Troy Smith has done some incredible investigative reporting that shows that there's rampant pedophilia at the highest levels of government in Maryland.
00:17:53.880We'll be right back after this commercial message.
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00:20:18.240If you're just tuning in, this is The Stone Zone, and I'm here with investigative journalist and activist Liz Crokin, as well as my colleague Troy Smith from slingshot.news.
00:20:31.260We're going to put up a graphic where people can go to see all of Liz's amazing work.
00:21:21.060So, as you mentioned in the introduction, I have a background working in all kinds of different journalism, but particularly celebrity journalism.
00:21:31.100And I wrote a gossip column for the red-eye edition of the Chicago Tribune, in addition to doing the Sun-Times column for years.
00:21:39.660And I also worked for many different celebrity magazines for years.
00:21:43.420Flying around literally the world covering these celebrities, often checking into the same hotel as them, sometimes literally staying in a room next to them.
00:21:53.900I was working in celebrity journalism in Hollywood for over a decade.
00:21:57.760And so, you know, I was on the ground, hanging out with these celebrities, covering these celebrities, flying around the world, doing investigative reporting on these celebrities.
00:22:08.500So, and I did this for almost two decades.
00:22:13.260I have seen a lot of things behind the scenes.
00:22:15.860There's a lot of things that I learned that were horrific that have never gotten out there.
00:22:20.900And, you know, what I learned very quickly in celebrity journalism is that these people are not who you think they are.
00:22:30.760You know, when I first got into this kind of work, I realized right away that most celebrities are just assholes, right?
00:22:38.540But then through the years, I started to see darker and darker things.
00:22:43.080And that's when I realized there's something much darker going on in Hollywood.
00:22:48.060And so, in about, I believe it was in 2011, at this point in time, I was working as an investigative reporter and an editor for Star Magazine.
00:22:59.160Star Magazine is owned by American Media that also owns the National Enquirer and several other different magazines.
00:23:14.920I worked for some of the best or with some of the best journalists in the world at American Media and at other tabloids.
00:23:24.940From my experience, the tabloids do more thorough reporting than any of these newspapers, especially these days.
00:23:33.560We, at that time, we had some lawyers that used to work for Bill Clinton when he was president that would fact check everything.
00:23:40.220We would even have our sources take lie detector tests, you know, and for me to get an explosive story out, you know, about a celebrity having an affair or whatever, I would have to get all kinds of proof.
00:23:55.340I mean, I would have to get text messages, phone records, you know, sources on the record, off the record.
00:24:01.720So we did really good work, you know, back at American Media and then the other, you know, entertainment sites that I have worked for in the past.
00:24:11.480And so back in 2011, I was working for Star and I was asked to look into Jay-Z and his alleged affair with a mistress named Kathy White.
00:24:25.880Now, you have to keep in mind, back then, this is before people were really getting their news online.
00:24:34.280You know, at that point in time, people that were into celebrity gossip, which it was a huge, huge industry back then, they got all of their news from these magazines.
00:24:43.840There was about five magazines that came out every week that were competing against each other.
00:24:48.820And they did very, very well before the Internet really blew up and social media blew up.
00:24:53.500And so there were not that many entertainment blogs and there weren't that many people going online to get their news.
00:25:04.960So if there was an explosive story about a celebrity coming out, you did not want that story in any of these magazines because that was everyone's source for the celebrity gossip, right?
00:25:17.120So I'm looking into this story about Jay-Z and this alleged mistress.
00:25:23.140And by the way, at this point in time, there had been many allegations of him cheating and there have been rumors and reports that he not only had other mistresses, but he also had love children.
00:25:36.260But this was something that really hadn't made the magazines often.
00:25:40.260And, you know, you would find reports on smaller blogs here and there.
00:25:44.860So I started looking into this and I managed to get a hold of this woman who allegedly was his mistress.
00:25:52.860And she initially told me that she didn't know him and that she had never even met him and that she never even been to a concert or anything.
00:26:04.860So I then get off the phone with her and I did more digging on her and I found pictures of her.
00:26:11.860And one of the last places where she's been photographed with Jay-Z was also with Diddy at a party in Las Vegas, I think back in 2010 at Town Nightclub.
00:26:24.340And so I called her back and I said, hey, you know, you you told me that you didn't even know Jay-Z, that you've never met him, you've never been in a concert, you've never been in the same room as him.
00:26:35.800But now I'm looking at all these pictures that clearly shows that you not only know him, you've hung out with him.
00:26:41.360And I have other sources telling me that you guys have been having this affair, you know, it's been going on for a long time.
00:26:47.220And I'm like, you know, whether you talk to me or not, like my boss wants to run this story, so I'm going to have to run this story.
00:26:54.860So it's going to it's up to you if you want to tell your side of the story or not.
00:26:59.600And at that point, she kind of realized, you know, I think in her head, oh, you know, I'm busted because she's seen the pictures of me with Jay-Z.
00:27:07.500So she knows I know him at the minimum.
00:27:10.060So, you know, she said to me, all right, you know what?
00:27:15.440I'm going to think about whether or not I want to do an exclusive interview with you, but I'm going to consider it and I will get back to you on this.
00:27:23.800So a few days passed by and I can't get a hold of her.
00:27:29.060And I'm calling and calling and calling.
00:27:31.060And so finally, I'm like, this is really weird.
00:27:32.840Like, why can't I get a hold of this woman all of a sudden?
00:27:36.880So I ended up calling one of her colleagues at her office and I said, hey, I'm trying to get a hold of Kathy.
00:28:23.200Long story short, the official story was that she had died from a, quote, aneurysm at the age of 28.
00:28:31.580Well, I then later met sources that knew her very well and were on the very inside of what happened with her death.
00:28:45.600And these sources told me that they were very confident that she indeed was murdered and that Jay-Z allegedly was involved.
00:28:58.360And the reason why she was murdered, or at least the partial reason why she was murdered, is because allegedly, and other people have reported this, after I talked to her on the phone, she allegedly called Jay-Z and said,
00:29:15.840Hey, you know what, I think I'm going to do a story with this reporter, and she may have told him, unless you give me, you know, X amount of dollars, I'm going to do this story with this reporter and talk about our affair.
00:29:34.080So the timing was very convenient for Jay-Z.
00:29:39.660When this was all going down, there already had been other allegations about him having affairs.
00:29:46.120But again, the affair stories never made the magazines.
00:29:50.220They were just kind of in the dark corners of the internet.
00:29:53.460So, like, him and Beyonce still had this, like, squeaky clean image that, you know, I know his handlers and his PR machine wanted to keep for as long as possible.
00:30:02.920And the second one of these affair stories or alleged love children's stories hits the tabloids, then that is not good for the couple, right?
00:30:13.780So, at this point in time, like, none of those stories had really gone mainstream.
00:30:19.220But in my head, I'm thinking, all right, like, what would be the incentive for him murdering her if he has all these mistresses?
00:30:27.600You know, I understand that maybe she asked him for money and that pissed him off.
00:30:32.040But what ended up happening right after I contacted her, which I didn't know and nobody knew was happening,
00:30:40.060is that Beyonce had, and her team had crafted this whole big publicity stunt to announce her pregnancy at the VMAs with her first child with Jay-Z.
00:30:58.240So, looking back, if she had done this story with me, this would have overshadowed this big PR stunt that they had planned to announce their first child.
00:31:14.880And everyone had been talking about, when is she going to get pregnant?
00:31:20.020They had this whole, you know, wonderful crafted PR stunt to announce that she was pregnant, you know, like, the king, you know, and queen of, like, you know, the rap industry.
00:31:34.500And so, I believe that if indeed she was murdered, I think that is one of the reasons why.
00:31:42.860Because this story could have dominated the headlines as opposed to the story of announcing that Beyonce was pregnant with her and Jay-Z's first child.
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