The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 07, 2025


Jack Posobiec ｜ 06-06-25

Topics
tariff war AI regulation and funding cuts Maha movement and US health issues
Hosted by
Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
Mentioned
Donald Trump Roger Jack Posobiec Elon Musk Maha Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Bobby Kennedy Joe Biden Jared Isaacman Stephen Miller Sam Harris Viktor Orban Ron DeSantis Steve Bannon Adam Schiff Chris Pine George W. Bush Ross Perot Tony Lyons Desjardins and 7 more
The Stone Zone ｜ 06-05-25 John Phillips ｜ 06-09-25

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Jack Posobiec, senior editor of Human Events, a Navy intelligence officer, a proud Catholic, a MAGA patriot, and New York Times bestselling author, joins me to talk about his trip to Poland and Hungary, and the mass riots in Paris.

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00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:06.120 Welcome back. We're in the Stone Zone again.
00:00:09.420 Joining me now, direct from Poland, is the senior editor of Human Events,
00:00:17.260 Navy intelligence officer, a proud Catholic, a MAGA patriot,
00:00:24.420 also New York Times bestselling author, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:27.000 Jack, welcome to the Stone Zone.
00:00:30.000 Roger, thanks so much for having me on.
00:00:32.880 So I have to ask you off the top, how was Poland?
00:00:36.720 You know, the Polish make their stuffed cabbage slightly different than the Hungarians,
00:00:41.720 but it's actually still quite good.
00:00:43.600 How was your trip?
00:00:45.120 I had a lot of glumpy, or as my parents call it, pigs in a blanket in English, on our way home.
00:00:53.900 And what can I say, Roger?
00:00:55.180 You're an incredible nail-biter of a victory come from behind when being over there at this CPAC Poland,
00:01:03.780 which sort of acted as a de facto political rally for the conservatives there in Poland,
00:01:09.940 in southeastern Poland, right on the border with Ukraine, which, funny enough, actually is the area of Poland where my family,
00:01:18.940 the Posobiec family, actually hails from.
00:01:21.440 It is, in fact, this will come as no shock to anyone,
00:01:24.000 the most rock-ribbed, hardcore, Catholic, conservative part of all of Poland.
00:01:31.880 So, you know, big shocker that that's where the Posobiec family is from.
00:01:35.520 And a one-point victory for the conservative campaigning hard on issues of Ukraine,
00:01:45.680 issues of immigration, border security, and having the support and de facto endorsement of President Donald J. Trump.
00:01:55.120 This carries a lot of weight in Poland, and it's a tremendous victory, one by which will absolutely be a huge victory,
00:02:03.260 not only for all those things, but also for the pro-life movement,
00:02:07.420 because the liberals in the Polish parliament have been trying to legalize abortion in Poland.
00:02:13.340 This will put a stop to all of that.
00:02:15.540 It's very exciting.
00:02:17.580 Look, I think nationalism is beginning to sweep Europe.
00:02:21.360 They had to cancel the elections in Romania when the conservative candidate won.
00:02:27.520 You have Maloney, who shifted back to the right, now that she has Trump as a reliable ally.
00:02:34.120 I liked her initially, then she started to suck up to the globalists, 0.86
00:02:38.000 because I think perhaps she thought Joe Biden was going to get re-elected,
00:02:42.340 and then with Trump's election, she has gone back to her roots, which I certainly like.
00:02:47.240 You have Hungary, which is a beacon of freedom for all of Eastern Europe.
00:02:53.180 And you have all of these, the French, they had to throw our candidate in jail, 1.00
00:02:59.360 because they're going to lose.
00:03:00.980 People are tired of unregulated, uncontrolled immigration.
00:03:06.960 It's destroyed every one of these countries.
00:03:08.800 It has not destroyed Poland.
00:03:10.340 It has not destroyed Romania.
00:03:12.340 Why?
00:03:13.160 Because they have never allowed it.
00:03:16.000 Well, Roger, that's exactly right.
00:03:17.780 And actually, when I went over to CPAC Hungary,
00:03:19.960 I had the honor of being invited to sit down with Prime Minister Viktor Orban,
00:03:27.160 and he had a lot of conversations and a lot of things to say about this,
00:03:31.820 specifically on the question of mass immigration.
00:03:35.820 He talked about the problems that have been going on in Germany,
00:03:41.600 the problems that have been going on in France.
00:03:43.780 And Roger, I have to say, by the way, on the way home, we stopped.
00:03:47.100 We had a long layover, basically a day-long layover in Paris.
00:03:50.760 I wanted to take my children to see the Notre Dame after it had been reopened.
00:03:54.600 It was an incredible experience.
00:03:56.840 But that very night that we were in Paris, these mass riots kicked off.
00:04:01.820 It was precipitated by a win in the soccer championship for the team, Parisian city team.
00:04:11.060 And yet the migrants came out in full force and started setting fire to the city. 1.00
00:04:17.640 Hundreds of people were arrested.
00:04:19.820 I had to grab my wife and my children and say, this is a bad situation.
00:04:24.120 We need to get back inside as soon as possible because we saw it, Roger.
00:04:28.680 We saw it going from Poland and Hungary and then to Paris.
00:04:31.860 The Notre Dame is beautiful.
00:04:33.620 But what they've done in terms of this migrant crisis, Paris is not Paris anymore.
00:04:38.400 President Trump is exactly correct on that.
00:04:40.180 And I just thank God that we were able to safely make it in and out in the midst of all these riots.
00:04:46.660 So, Jack, what do you make of the Elon Musk, Donald Trump tiff?
00:04:52.460 Is this really about insufficient spending cuts in the big, beautiful bill?
00:04:57.420 Or is it about something else?
00:04:59.960 Oh, Roger, I think it seems to be very personal on the perspective of Elon Musk.
00:05:06.080 And I think that anyone reading this seems to think that it has a lot more to do.
00:05:11.300 Certainly, the way he reacted is a bit more than just having a disagreement over spending.
00:05:16.680 And in fact, this bill isn't even a budget bill.
00:05:20.340 The budget bill comes up later in September.
00:05:22.220 In fact, this is the bill regarding deportations, regarding President Trump's agenda, regarding no tax on tips, regarding no tax on overtime.
00:05:30.520 This is this is an agenda bill.
00:05:32.380 It's not a budget bill.
00:05:33.740 And I certainly agree, by the way, that I would like to see a lot of the Doge Cots, all of the Doge Cots really codified into law. 0.89
00:05:41.300 But clearly, I think there's a lot more going on.
00:05:44.240 And what I hear, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes.
00:05:47.360 One of the top issues, of course, being this easy tax credit being removed as part of the bill.
00:05:54.040 A huge blow to Tesla as a company, as well as Elon's pick for the NASA director, ultimately being removed from his potential appointment, his nomination going in, which, of course, would have been a huge leverage point for SpaceX as well.
00:06:12.180 So, Jared Isaacman, who the White House actually announced that he would be the NASA director, and then it was pulled back when it was learned that he had given money to numerous Democrats, including Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, the senator from Georgia, Adam Schiff, and others.
00:06:35.780 So, I think Elon's nose was out of Jordan about that.
00:06:39.380 Also, they rejected his bid to have the air traffic controllers across the country use Starlink in their technology.
00:06:49.000 I think he was miffed at that.
00:06:51.580 Look, I do think that he's done a tremendous service for his country.
00:06:57.020 When I met him at DeMar-Lago, I said, you've done more for free speech than anyone in the history of the country other than the founding fathers themselves.
00:07:05.200 And I believe that to be true.
00:07:07.040 But that's what got a target on his back.
00:07:09.160 Remember, he flirted with supporting Ron DeSantis for president.
00:07:13.940 It was really only after the events of Butler, Pennsylvania, when he saw how desperate the deep state was.
00:07:21.080 And he realized that if Trump lost, Elon Musk was most likely going to jail and his companies would have been destroyed.
00:07:31.180 That's what Biden was seeking to do.
00:07:33.140 And this was the payback for not just buying Twitter, but releasing all the proof of government-sponsored censorship.
00:07:40.520 So he embarrassed the regime.
00:07:44.980 Roger, that's exactly right.
00:07:48.680 And we know that this is a situation where, of course, and look, I'm an incredible fan of the X platform.
00:07:56.740 I use it every single day.
00:07:57.960 And I think it's something that Elon Musk did years before the election that really created the conditions for President Trump to be able to return to the political sphere.
00:08:11.020 Because it was during that time that the truth about COVID was finally able to be told in a public dissemination, a public manner.
00:08:18.620 It was during that time that the truth about President Trump's lawfare was able to come to light.
00:08:24.240 They were going to put President Trump in jail for the rest of his life.
00:08:27.620 They tried in four different times in various states and locations to put him away and obviously tried to strip him from the ballot and even got to the point where they attempted to kill President Trump multiple times.
00:08:41.940 And so it obviously was a key effort by President Trump, Elon Musk, and, of course, Bobby Kennedy and the Maha movement, which I think really gets discounted a lot when people tell the story of 2024.
00:08:53.900 Not by yourself, of course, Roger.
00:08:55.280 But many people and certainly the media completely discount the fact of the Maha movement and the strength and the importance of Bobby Kennedy's endorsement crossing the line for the first time that Kennedy has ever really publicly endorsed a Republican in such a way and did so at just a seminal time for the United States of America.
00:09:17.500 And so certainly I, like many others, do hope that there can be a way to mend this great schism.
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00:10:11.020 I agree with that.
00:10:15.240 I must tell you, I think, when Steve Bannon says that we should deport him, if he's a U.S. citizen, you can't deport him.
00:10:21.480 And secondarily, the government should seize his companies, one of his companies.
00:10:25.660 That's what we call communism.
00:10:27.040 I think that is an overreaction.
00:10:30.520 But look, he can be a powerful ally.
00:10:32.580 He spent his own money to help Trump win.
00:10:34.600 I do think it had a positive impact.
00:10:36.780 Would Trump have won without it?
00:10:38.760 It's impossible to say.
00:10:40.920 But I think it is not good for the movement overall.
00:10:45.480 Let's talk for a moment about the tariff war.
00:10:51.420 The tariff war kind of got moved to the back burner here.
00:10:55.480 But how do you think the president is doing in his efforts to make our trading partners pay their fair share or to give us an even deal, I guess I should say?
00:11:04.800 Well, I think the president is doing very well.
00:11:07.780 And for folks who have been keeping score, even though it's not really in the headlines, and people say, oh, well, he walked back to 150 percent tariffs.
00:11:16.220 And I've seen a lot of people say they'll be very upset to say, oh, well, he had these tariffs and the formula wasn't using the proper tariff formula for the net balance of trade.
00:11:27.380 Look, the trade deficit is actually flipping for the first time ever in years in the United States on the back of the tariffs.
00:11:37.400 The Atlanta Fed is now forecasting an incredible explosive growth for the U.S. GDP in terms of Q2 in the United States.
00:11:46.880 And we currently still have tariffs that are, in some cases, 20 percent or more on these trading partners, including the additional tariffs that were labeled on to China.
00:12:01.080 This, of course, is also coming at the same time that the Chinese are begging President Trump for a meeting.
00:12:09.240 They're inviting him to Beijing.
00:12:10.580 They're doing everything they can to roll out the red carpet for the president.
00:12:14.400 Because, of course, China – and this has always been about China.
00:12:17.620 China has always been our biggest budget deficit.
00:12:20.420 China is my background.
00:12:21.780 I spent two years living there and working in trade between the U.S. and China.
00:12:28.700 And so this understanding that China's economy is so fragile because they are export-driven.
00:12:36.660 And there's a lot of talk about China having an expanding middle class.
00:12:39.580 Now, they certainly do.
00:12:40.560 But it is completely built on exports and the fact that we allow these cheap Chinese goods to flood into our market. 0.88
00:12:48.460 And this was, I think, foolishly, this most favored nation status was given by the previous – the original George Bush administration
00:12:56.460 and the Clintons before them paving the way for all of this.
00:13:00.520 This was never meant to be part of the deal when Nixon went to China in the first place, as you of all people know,
00:13:06.880 that we were never supposed to give them this most favored nation status.
00:13:09.780 But this was how the system of globalism was built.
00:13:12.700 And what President Trump is smartly doing is understanding that the system of globalism is crumbling.
00:13:17.840 And it's crumbling on its own.
00:13:19.960 But so what he's going to do is put America in a position where we can benefit, we can be strengthened,
00:13:26.700 and we don't have to have these global commitments the way that we have in the past
00:13:31.580 and actually right the ship economically for the American people and the American manufacturer,
00:13:37.380 who is usually the last when it comes to Wall Street's way of thinking.
00:13:42.260 I could not agree more.
00:13:44.660 I really do think that people need to recognize that there are three legs to Trump's economic stool.
00:13:50.440 It is, first and foremost, it is a better tariff deals with all of our trading partners.
00:13:57.080 An issue he's been talking back all the way back to 1988, because he hated NAFTA, he hated GATT,
00:14:02.840 he hated these one-size-fits-all trade deals that completely disadvantaged the United States
00:14:08.640 and as the late, great Ross Perot said, sucked the jobs out of America.
00:14:13.440 But tax reduction is everybody's important.
00:14:17.840 I don't love this AI stuff that is in the big, beautiful bill that stops the states from restricting AI.
00:14:25.180 I think that's a bad idea.
00:14:26.660 As someone who can tell you there are hundreds of AI videos of me saying things I never said,
00:14:34.040 this is extraordinarily dangerous.
00:14:36.220 I'm very concerned about it.
00:14:40.060 Roger, that's right.
00:14:41.140 And I suppose one of the messages that I've heard Stephen Miller and the White House put out regarding the AI piece of the bill
00:14:50.040 is what they're really aiming at here, and perhaps this language could be tightened up,
00:14:54.580 but what they're really aiming at is blocking California, because most of these companies are based in California,
00:15:01.960 blocking California from having control over all regulation of AI.
00:15:07.860 Basically, that China, they saw that Newsom was having some plans to be able to regulate AI at the state level,
00:15:16.820 which, of course, would have been written by the companies themselves.
00:15:19.520 And so I can understand, perhaps, the considerations there,
00:15:22.580 but would also want to make sure that the language is tightened up as much as possible.
00:15:28.520 I agree.
00:15:29.680 It is concerning.
00:15:31.420 But the good news here is that the Golden Dome funding is in there.
00:15:34.960 The Golden Dome, which we used to call the Strategic Defense Initiative under Reagan,
00:15:38.420 the left mocked us by calling it Star Wars, but it's working in Israel, protects Israel from incoming missiles,
00:15:45.140 could protect our country.
00:15:47.840 In some cases, the Congress has voted funding for parts of it, but still hasn't been built.
00:15:52.400 The one for the East Coast, they have never cited, should go to Fort Drum in upstate New York,
00:15:58.120 that makes the most sense, but they're dragging their feet.
00:16:01.500 I think that funding is also in the big, beautiful bill,
00:16:04.560 not to mention the largest, the continuation of the largest tax cuts in American history.
00:16:10.880 It's not perfect.
00:16:12.280 Elon's not wrong about that, but it's good and it's a start.
00:16:17.040 They have a $98.4 billion rescission bill going up to the House next week.
00:16:22.560 That's where the cutting actually needs to be done, and that is the third leg of the stool,
00:16:27.200 cutting the wasteful spending, the fraud, the corruption, and so on.
00:16:32.040 We're going to be right back with Jack Posobiec.
00:16:33.820 You can follow him on X as Jack Posobiec, our original.
00:16:38.140 He's also at Human Events, where he is the senior editor.
00:16:41.760 We're going to be talking about the Trump administration,
00:16:45.620 how Robert Kennedy is doing very specifically when we come back on the other side.
00:16:50.900 So whatever you do, please, my friends, don't touch that dial.
00:16:54.480 We're back in the zone.
00:16:55.660 I'm talking to Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events,
00:16:59.920 served his country with distinction as a naval intelligence officer.
00:17:03.820 He's a keen analyst of the political scene.
00:17:06.860 He has a unique set of sources.
00:17:09.340 He's a man who always seems to be one step ahead.
00:17:12.140 If you don't watch him at Human Events daily, I strongly recommend it to you.
00:17:16.720 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. taking on big pharma and big agriculture.
00:17:21.540 This is not going to be an easy fight, but he's fulfilling what I wanted him to do.
00:17:26.880 This is what I voted for.
00:17:28.380 Jack, what do you think?
00:17:30.360 Roger, I think that's exactly right.
00:17:32.120 And I love just even, I think it was either today or yesterday,
00:17:35.500 he announced this nutrition education mandate,
00:17:39.260 these new plans for requiring American medical schools to offer nutrition courses,
00:17:44.400 and basically saying that all federal funding will be pulled.
00:17:48.280 And using that leverage, the same way we see President Trump doing with Harvard and others,
00:17:52.800 he's now saying that your federal funding will be cut if you do not offer this nutrition education
00:17:59.260 and these programs.
00:18:01.040 And these are really things that the federal government can be doing and should be doing,
00:18:06.400 should have been doing all along, rather than serving as a piggy bank for these universities.
00:18:12.180 I think we need to need a restructuring of the way the federal government's spending of our taxpayer dollars are done.
00:18:19.440 And the Maha movement is obviously one of the most important ways to do this.
00:18:23.920 I've said for quite some time that the Maha movement is actually the most politically popular movement in America today.
00:18:34.240 And I see this when I talk to my wife, who is not someone who's, you know,
00:18:39.120 she knows about politics from being married to me,
00:18:41.240 but she just doesn't follow politics on a regular basis the same way that, you know, 0.99
00:18:45.140 that news junkies like myself do.
00:18:47.080 But she is absolutely enamored with the Maha movement.
00:18:50.900 She was born in Eastern Europe, came to the United States, and has always asked questions.
00:18:56.060 What is wrong with your food?
00:18:57.480 What is wrong with your medicine?
00:18:59.560 And that's exactly the type of demographic that Bobby Kennedy is speaking to.
00:19:03.860 Politically, it makes the most sense.
00:19:05.400 And for America's health and America's nutrition, it makes the most sense.
00:19:08.280 Roger, you mentioned earlier that I just got back from Europe.
00:19:11.100 Europe has tons of issues, but they don't have the same type of health issues,
00:19:15.540 the food issues, and the nutrition issues that the United States does.
00:19:19.620 And unfortunately, and your friend of mine, Tony Lyons,
00:19:23.520 have been chatting about this a little bit as well.
00:19:25.900 And he made a point to me recently saying that, you know,
00:19:29.240 we've done so much to make food cheaper and say that we're cutting costs in order to do so.
00:19:36.320 And that's why we've put chemicals in all of our food
00:19:39.040 and why we have factory farms the way that we do.
00:19:41.180 But unfortunately, we're not actually saving any money
00:19:43.820 because all of those costs then go into our increased health care bills,
00:19:48.700 end-of-life spending, increases in health insurance that we have to pay
00:19:52.620 because of chronic illness and chronic inflammation,
00:19:55.400 something that, of course, Big Pharma is more than happy to keep going
00:19:59.960 because it creates a financial incentive for them.
00:20:02.360 And there we have it.
00:20:03.480 We have to wrap it there.
00:20:04.460 I want to thank my guest, Jack Pasobo, with Human Events,
00:20:06.780 and thank you for tuning in to The Stone Zone.
00:20:09.160 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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