On October 7th, Iran carried out an attack on the Israeli Consulate in Tel Aviv, resulting in the deaths of a number of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) leaders. What was the real goal of the attack, and what was the political point of action? Jack Posobiec and Roger Stone break down the details of what happened, and whether it was a surprise attack or a premeditated strike by the Iranian regime to show strength and force, or was it part of a larger strategy to destabilize the Israeli government and force the Israeli people to choose between peace and war. Plus, a special guest appearance from the Stone Zone with Roger Stone, a longtime friend and adviser to President Donald Trump. The Stone Zone is a show with a mission: to inform, inform, and empower Americans on all matters pertaining to politics, culture, and the world including matters relating to the world s most important issues. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, and is a New York Times best-selling author, best selling author, and a long-time friend of President Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society, and has lectured at countless universities across the world. He is a regular contributor to countless publications and events, including The Weekly Standard, The New Republic, The Huffington Post, and The Daily Beast, and he is a frequent guest on Fox News. and The Hill. The Daily Caller, among other media outlets. In addition, Roger Stone is an avid reader of books and blogs about politics, and politics, including a regular on the streets of New York and the internet, and his latest book, . and a regular attendee at the Harvard Law School, and hosts a podcast on the Harvard Graduate School of American University, where he blogs at Harvard Yardley, Harvard Yard, and Harvard Law Review. And so on and so much more. This episode was produced in partnership with Human Events Daily, a new book, "The Stone Zone" by Jack Posibiec, a fellow at Harvard University, published in the fall of 2018, The Stonezone. , a podcast produced by the New York Review of American History and The New York Magazine, and the Harvard Spectacle, a podcast that chronicles the events of October 7, 2019.
00:01:32.580Jack, I'm trying to sort out what happened yesterday.
00:01:36.640It appears we were told initially that the Iranians launched a drone attack that was supposed to be followed by a missile attack.
00:01:45.720Then we heard that through the Turks, the Biden administration knew about this attack and tried to put parameters on the Iranians.
00:01:55.480Is what we saw yesterday, the beginning of World War III, or is it just really war optics to achieve political objectives?
00:02:07.560Well, Roger, you're very perceptive, of course, in your knowledge of politics serves you well here.
00:02:12.680So, yes, what you're looking at is, in a sense, it's twofold.
00:02:16.980There are two scenarios that could have played out over the weekend as we heard about this Iran strike.
00:02:22.280Now, number one, first and foremost, everyone needs to understand the fact that the Iranians essentially gave 72 hours notice to this thing.
00:02:32.740This was something that was widely reported throughout Western media, throughout Israeli media.
00:02:37.520People were able to get all their assets in place, the United States, the U.K., the U.S. Navy was able to participate in the eastern Mediterranean,
00:02:45.860bringing ballistic missile defense ships in should any ballistic missiles be nearby the U.S. Navy.
00:02:52.140is easily capable of taking out any of those any of those missiles.
00:02:55.860And it remains to be seen whether the whether or not any ballistic missiles were even launched.
00:03:00.100The drones that came in, the Iron Dome, made short work of them because they knew that this was going to be coming in.
00:03:35.540This has turned much hotter after the events of October 7th with is Iranian backed proxy forces.
00:03:42.740These Shia militia groups operating throughout Syria and Iraq, attacking predominantly U.S. forces,
00:03:49.480but also Israeli forces and Assad and Assad locations across the Middle East.
00:03:54.460Now, the reason that Iran doesn't usually do something like this is because they know that the Iranian regime,
00:04:01.600for all of their strength in the Middle East would not stand against a combined war with with the U.S. or Israel.
00:04:09.560That being said, it is of no interest to Israel and the United States to break out into a wider war either,
00:04:16.620because, as you say, it would go into World War Three.
00:04:19.760Nuclear weapons would surely be used in such a conflagration.
00:04:23.040And so what you had amounts to a little bit more than a face saving operation for the Iranian regime.
00:04:31.600Because the Iranians, the Iranian regime wanted to show strength to the rest of the Middle East,
00:04:36.780that because Israel had just taken out a number of their senior IRGC,
00:04:40.840the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps leaders at this at this consulate.
00:04:45.300Consulates are usually considered a safe space of, you know, sort of out of bounds for an attack or an assassination.
00:04:52.160Although Israel, of course, as we have seen, has responded very aggressively to the events of October 7th
00:04:58.240and is clearly breaking down many, breaking through many of those prior prior red lines that have been set for these types of operations.
00:05:04.900And so on one hand, it's good that this attack amounted to fireworks and a lot of optics,
00:05:12.840but not really much significant damage on the ground.
00:05:15.880I don't think anyone was killed as far as we know at this point.
00:05:18.720But at the same time, we should be very careful because this is the first time that Israel has been attacked directly by Iran.
00:05:27.000And so we need to understand that this does create the conditions for escalation into a World War III scenario.
00:05:36.620And nobody, to my mind, is calling for peace.
00:05:39.880No one is up there saying that we need to have peace talks.
00:05:42.260No one even has any credibility on the world stage for peace talks between Israel, Iran and the wider Muslim world right now.
00:05:49.540There is no singular person in in all of in all of world politics, world leaders who could achieve such a feat right now.
00:05:58.260Interesting to me that both the Saudis and the Jordanians joined the coalition to protect Israel,
00:06:06.180along with the United States, the UK and France, of course, the most outrageous thing about this is this attack on Israel by Iran was funded by the Biden administration.
00:06:20.120Look at this Wall Street Journal headline kind of makes the point.
00:06:24.280This is just a small fraction of what the Biden administration has supplied to Iran based on some strange commitment on their part to to use the money for strictly humanitarian purposes.
00:06:46.200Well, Roger, what we're seeing here, of course, is it's very simple that Biden, the Biden administration, by and large,
00:06:54.260and particularly when it comes to foreign policy, is, in fact, what we're living through is the third term of a Barack Obama presidency.
00:07:01.600Many of the same names like Jake Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, Tony Blinken, who is a chief advisor to then Vice President Joe Biden,
00:07:09.700Victoria Nuland, who only recently left the administration.
00:07:12.400Many of these names all participated in the Obama administration.
00:07:16.960What did we see in the Obama administration?
00:07:21.340That was the idea that if Iran could be allowed to attain peaceful nuclear or a peaceful nuclear power generation program,
00:07:28.920that it would bring them into line with the rest of the Western world.
00:07:32.540And of course, the real goal was always the oil and natural gas resources located under that Iranian soil.
00:07:39.960The same the same that British Petroleum used to once attempt to control and led to various intelligence and regime change operations in the country of Iran back when it used to be called something called Persia.
00:07:54.280So people need to understand that this administration under under, I should say, Barack Obama's policies, whether or not it's at his own direction remains to be seen.
00:08:04.800But these these advisors, these playbooks that they're looking at, this is nothing new, Roger.
00:08:16.360And we've seen this over and over other than maybe Biden himself.
00:08:20.780We've seen the Hamas all the way up to the level of Hamas support from actual staffers and many of the low level staffers of the White House itself.
00:08:29.980These these people run around with their Starbucks cups and their free Palestine mugs.
00:08:33.780And and we all know the types on college campuses.
00:08:36.320But people need to understand that that's who's running the White House right now.
00:08:40.840A certain irony here, because I remember back during the 2020 campaign when it was Joe Biden who said that if Donald Trump was reelected, he would drive us to war with Iran.
00:08:54.960The world has changed because what Trump has done and the American people, including independents and some Republicans, know how bad he is, know how much he's misrepresented, know how he's getting close to getting us in a war.
00:09:08.180I said there's the walls closing in this man.
00:09:10.800I'm worried he's going to get us to war in Iran.
00:10:13.700Is it not fair to say, though, that there have been moves by this administration that have opened up cash and other opportunities for them, which we know are fungible in ways that are not helping the Iranian people, but are benefiting the elites and people there who chant death to America and death to Israel?
00:10:28.500If you and I have had this fungibility argument before, I obviously take a different issue or take an issue with that characterization.
00:10:35.720The sanctions relief that has come about or it's not even sanctions relief, but the additional funds that have been made available to Iran due to sanctions relief program that the Trump administration put in place can only be used for humanitarian goods.
00:10:50.340It doesn't go to the regime and the idea that the regime was somehow felt like they were freed up to support these proxies because of that.
00:10:58.440It just doesn't comport with the facts.
00:11:00.020They have been supporting these proxies for many, many years.
00:11:02.760And it comports with their language, though, saying we will use this money in the way that we want to use it.
00:11:11.980Seems to me that Blinken and Kirby just contradicted each other.
00:11:16.540Folks, we have to go to a quick commercial break because, well, we've got to keep the lights on here.
00:11:21.780But when we come back, I will continue with Jack Posobiec, senior editor at Human Events, a former naval intelligence officer, and to my mind, one of the most perceptive and well-informed people in the country when it comes to foreign policy and particularly defense issues.
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00:14:30.640Roger, I heard that was based on you in part.
00:14:33.660Well, I have no comment, but I actually think it was really based on Dick Cheney and the efforts to have a war in Iraq based on the false claim that they had weapons of mass destruction, that they had yellow cake uranium they were developing into weapons of mass destruction.
00:14:51.120It was a lie to enrich Halliburton and other of Dick Cheney's wealthy friends, including himself.
00:14:58.580He's a war criminal, although it's amazing how the media that once despised him now loves him as some kind of an icon because he's anti-Trump.
00:15:08.000Roger, if you love war, if you escalate for war, if you push the world into war, the media will always find a way to love you and turn you into a great statesman and a great figure.
00:15:22.020But if you search for peace, if you actually support candidates that are on the side of peace, you will be smeared and you will be blacklisted by history.
00:15:30.200Absolutely true. Let's take a quick look at President Trump's comments on what transpired yesterday.
00:15:37.540What's going on with Israel October 7th and what's going on with Israel could end up in a world war.
00:15:43.540We have a president that can't put two sentences together.
00:15:46.340We have a president that can't find the stairs off a stage.
00:15:49.460We have a president that doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
00:16:10.020Is this really when you get right down to it, Jack, is it maybe what happened yesterday is about Biden seeking to carry Michigan?
00:16:17.500I mean, in all honesty, he has a huge division now in his own constituency.
00:16:23.840When President Barack Obama, President Joe Biden and President Bill Clinton appeared at Radio City Music Hall in New York, there were enormous protests outside.
00:16:41.000They have a serious division in their party.
00:16:43.680And now Biden seemingly being well aware of trying to shape the attack of Iran on Israel for the optics and then going back to Israel and saying, now, you really can't respond to this or any response you have has to be anemic.
00:17:02.700I mean, this attempt to stage manage this war seems to me to be strictly for the purposes of reelection.
00:17:11.020Roger, not only the state of Michigan, but as you well know, also Minnesota and, in fact, northern Virginia.
00:17:18.740These are all key states that are now being put in play because they're and this is something, by the way, the Democrats have.
00:17:27.580It is a bit of their own making because they are the ones that called for the mass the mass importation of many people from the Middle East to these areas.
00:17:37.100They have placed them in parts in, we saw Afghanistan.
00:17:40.340All those people were brought into northern Virginia.
00:18:02.500They are on the side of Hamas in this thing.
00:18:05.840They are certainly on the side of calling for a ceasefire.
00:18:09.820This is something they've been calling for for a long time.
00:18:11.980And that that has infected many of the same left wing groups that were out in 2020 for George Floyd.
00:18:18.660It's not quite Black Lives Matter anymore because, as you can tell, it doesn't quite fit the domestic demographics.
00:18:24.780But, of course, it had become a huge issue for Biden's coalition.
00:18:29.040So what he's attempting to do is walk this knife's edge politically by saying that he supports Israel, but then also calling for Israel to not respond with escalation in terms of many of these in terms of many of these dust ups.
00:18:45.960And so he is attempting to have his cake and eat it, too.
00:19:37.720I think Jill Stein, who will be on the ballot in most states based on the past experience of the Green Party, and Cornel West, who said he was going to initially run for the Green Party nomination, then decided he would run the much, much tougher course of running as an independent.
00:19:55.040And, I don't know, a source told me he had a very nice house in Malibu that he just purchased.
00:20:01.240So that I wonder whether he was, you know, was reasoned with by the leaders of the Democratic Party.
00:20:08.800Jack, while we have you, I can't resist asking you about the trial that opens in Manhattan this morning.
00:20:14.260President Donald Trump, the first president in American history to go to trial on a criminal charge, this this if Trump did anything wrong and that's not certain, this should be a civil business records case.
00:20:29.900The government is relying on Michael Cohn, a notorious convicted liar, as their chief witness.
00:20:36.340How do you think this is going to play out?
00:20:42.560So two weeks of jury deliberations, jury selection, voir dire, the idea that you're going to find 12 and then two alternate people in jurors in New York City who don't have an opinion on Donald Trump just seems kind of ludicrous to me.
00:20:54.960But then the case is ludicrous on its face.
00:20:56.740The idea that it's a felony to pay a lawyer to allegedly pay funds to Stormy Daniels to allegedly cover up an alleged affair on the one hand and that, by the way, all of which constitutes a campaign finance violation, which is not a municipal law or a state law.
00:21:15.840It is a federal law that the FEC doesn't seem to have any had any issue with.
00:21:21.600The FBI hasn't had an issue with the Southern District of New York, not fans of Donald Trump, gave a complete pass on and even Alvin Bragg himself put a pass on this.
00:21:29.780Look, Roger, I on one hand, as as monumentous as this day is, and I think the day historically will go down because this is the first time we've ever had a president of the United States go on trial.
00:21:44.180And in fact, this is what they always do.
00:21:45.840However, when I look at this with my political analysis hat on, I can't help but say it feels like we've watched this before because Trump has effectively been in some form of courtroom or court situation for the past 12 months.
00:22:01.380And he's done and his team have done a fantastic job of making sure to show the media and show people that he's been on trial and that these trials have always been a joke.
00:22:12.880The trials typically go unfavorable for him.
00:22:15.220But every time that happens, he only goes up in the polls.
00:22:18.380And so what I think Americans and the average person out there are really experiencing when I look at this politically, number one, I think there's a bit of lawfare fatigue.
00:22:26.800It's kind of like watching Rocky, Rocky five at this point.
00:22:44.960It is amazing to me that they seem to be driven to have a trial, any trial, this trial.
00:22:53.700This judge, Judge Juan Merchant, he's got two strikes against him.
00:22:57.820First of all, he's a contributor to Joe Biden's campaign for president.
00:23:01.240That's a violation of the judicial canon of ethics.
00:23:04.780He should have had the good sense to recuse himself on that basis.
00:23:07.660The independent journalist, investigative journalist, Laura Loomer, has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Merchant's daughter, who's an adult, is a Democrat political operative who has raised as much as $93 million for her Democrat clients, including the Biden-Harris campaign, using this trial as her talking point, as her selling point.
00:23:33.920There's a second egregious conflict of interest.
00:23:36.580Here's the amazing thing, and that is when you were in the courtroom when I was tried, when the deep state gets you in their crosshairs, the Constitution, the rules, the evidence, the truth, none of these things matter.
00:24:05.540It's what the judge will allow in, in terms of controlling Trump's defense.
00:24:10.040Yesterday, on my WABC radio show at 77 WABC, Trump impeachment lawyer David Schoen said that Robert Costello, who had previously represented Michael Cohn, testified for the grand jury, the federal grand jury, examining this matter, and said that Cohn had told him on numerous occasions and in writing that Trump was not involved in any of the Stormy Daniels matter.
00:24:58.320I don't know if you saw the clip, Roger, but Ari Melber, our good friend over at MSNBC, your biggest fan, went and interviewed Michael Avenatti, the former lawyer for Stormy Daniels, from prison.
00:25:11.220And Coyote called it, and even he said that the case was a total loser.
00:25:15.780He said it was beyond the statute of limitations.
00:25:18.000He said it should never have been brought, and if it should have been brought, it would have made sense maybe in 2017, but it certainly wasn't a campaign finance violation.
00:25:39.720I thought Ari Melber was going to break down and cry, in all honesty.
00:25:43.220I think he even – it was so bad, Roger, that the MSNBC hosts had to put him on a struggle session for not pushing back against Avenatti enough.
00:25:57.300Many thanks to our good friend Jack Posobiec, senior editor at Human Events, for joining us today to break down exactly what happened yesterday between Iran and Israel.
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