The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 22, 2025


Jason Goodman ｜ 04-21-25

Topics
Andrew Weissman Weissman mortgage deal Andrew Weissman sweetheart deal
Hosted by
Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
Mentioned
Andrew Weissman Adam Schiff Jason Goodman Jamie Raskin Donald Trump Letitia James Jeffrey Epstein Charles Ortel Felix Sater Mueller Stephen Hoffenberg Leonard Tobaroff Horst Hoffenberg Arthur Anderson Michael Cohen Loretta Lynch Burrell Howell J.P. Morgan John Durham James Bond and 5 more
Sam Antar ｜ 04-18-25 General Michael Flynn ｜ 04-22-25

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In this episode of The Stone Zone, host Alex Blumberg is joined by journalist Jason Goodman, founder of Crowdsourcing the Truth, to discuss what we know about New York AG Letitia James and what we don't know about Adam Schiff.

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00:00:37.100 Welcome back.
00:00:38.240 You're in the Stone Zone.
00:00:39.680 Joining me now is investigative journalist Jason Goodman.
00:00:43.880 Jason Goodman is the founder of Crowdsourcing the Truth.
00:00:48.220 And he has determined that what we see going on with New York Attorney General Letitia James,
00:00:54.500 the serial mortgage fraud at least.
00:00:57.060 This is before we get into the question of her cover-up of sexual assault by her chief of staff.
00:01:03.180 I'll be writing about that very shortly.
00:01:06.680 As well as what I think is epic campaign finance fraud.
00:01:11.500 But the media has been focused on the referral by the Federal Home Finance Administration
00:01:17.780 to the Justice Department of Letitia James for serial mortgage fraud. 0.89
00:01:23.380 But Jason, she's not the only one, is she?
00:01:27.360 No, she's not, Roger.
00:01:29.740 So let's touch on Adam Schiff.
00:01:32.620 I spoke about this a little bit in the beginning.
00:01:34.620 But then you had some groundbreaking information on both former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissman
00:01:41.100 as well as a congressman, Jamie Raskin, two other virulent critics of President Donald Trump.
00:01:48.460 Let's start with Adam Schiff.
00:01:50.760 Yeah.
00:01:51.780 Well, Adam Schiff, of course, everybody knows, is one of the most visible enemies of Donald Trump.
00:01:58.740 I'm surprised that a lot of people in the mainstream haven't really heard of Andrew Weissman,
00:02:03.460 even though he was the lead prosecutor in the Mueller investigation.
00:02:07.740 And, you know, he's one of these guys who's been kind of out of the limelight for most of his career.
00:02:13.780 Anybody who does know him pretty much knows him from seeing him on MSNBC.
00:02:18.980 And then he becomes like a character on a TV show, depending on what he says
00:02:22.940 and how you think he appears on television, you like him or dislike him.
00:02:26.500 But Adam Schiff, everybody knows.
00:02:28.380 President Trump has called him watermelon head and pencil neck.
00:02:31.520 I like it when Trump does stuff like that, because it's a mechanism that he's using to embarrass Adam Schiff,
00:02:39.300 who deserves to be embarrassed.
00:02:41.740 But there's a lot of details to what he's done, Roger, and I'm happy to share them with you and your audience.
00:02:46.800 Well, we touched a little bit on it.
00:02:48.940 It has to do with his Maryland home.
00:02:50.620 Let's touch on that.
00:02:51.500 But I want to leave enough time to talk about these other two reprobates.
00:02:55.180 So run us through Adam Schiff and his residence.
00:02:58.080 Yeah, I mean, to summarize it in the simplest way for lay people and people who haven't studied the information to understand,
00:03:07.280 because it is very dense.
00:03:08.940 Adam Schiff, obviously everybody knows that he's a representative from California.
00:03:13.080 So he purchased a home in Maryland that I guess would be his second home.
00:03:21.400 But a lot of people, particularly those who have had mortgages, a lot of people know that you get a much favorable rate on your mortgage if the loan is on your primary residence.
00:03:31.240 And this is based on, I guess, actuaries have figured out that when you live in the house, you take care of it.
00:03:36.520 And it's just much more statistically likely for a loan to be repaid on somebody's primary residence than a secondary residence that they might abandon or whatever.
00:03:45.980 So the thing that is so important about what Adam Schiff has done, Roger, is that we almost don't even need any more investigation or any trial because he's incriminated himself.
00:03:56.580 He's basically taken out a loan for this property in Maryland, and he has signed the loan sworn under penalty that he will occupy the home and that it will be his primary residence within 60 days of executing this agreement,
00:04:12.700 which is, you know, a 20-something-year-old agreement that he was lying about for 17 years, repeatedly making this false statement.
00:04:22.260 Now, remember, you were talking about Letitia James.
00:04:25.180 She's all up in arms that somebody who works for Donald Trump, not even Donald Trump, Michael Cohen, made payments and got involved in how these things were recorded as legal payments or whatever.
00:04:36.980 There's a strong argument to be made that they were legitimate legal payments.
00:04:40.000 He was paying a settlement in a lawsuit.
00:04:43.180 You do that through your lawyer.
00:04:44.960 It's different than going to the strip show and giving Stormy Daniels money.
00:04:49.100 You're settling a lawsuit.
00:04:50.620 But I digress.
00:04:51.960 Adam Schiff, and he should know better because he is also an attorney, and that's critical, Roger.
00:04:58.240 That's why this is the lawfare loan scam.
00:05:01.760 So far, all the participants I've identified are themselves attorneys, and this is important for a number of reasons.
00:05:10.000 First of all, they are making all of these filings and, you know, including legal language.
00:05:16.060 It's very unusual at times.
00:05:18.440 That seems to be done by them.
00:05:20.900 There's no third-party attorney signing in the fields where normally, you know, if you or I were to close on a home, we'd probably hire a real estate attorney.
00:05:29.880 I can only surmise that these lawfare criminals didn't want to do that because, obviously, it's much easier for two people to keep a secret if one of them are dead or if the other person never knew about it.
00:05:43.200 So I think they don't want to involve potentially legitimate attorneys in these transactions because it could be a stop to the flow of funds.
00:05:51.940 But the thing that Adam Schiff did that I just don't see how he gets out of, he put himself into a legal double bind because if he was being honest in his sworn statements that he signed on the Maryland mortgage, that that was his primary residence, well, then he's committed fraud in representing that he could run to be a congressional representative from California.
00:06:13.160 And if he was being honest in his statements about running for Congress in California, then he's committed mortgage fraud.
00:06:19.880 So I think he's in a lot of trouble.
00:06:22.460 Yeah, it's almost identical to what Letitia James has done. 0.99
00:06:27.240 She's tried to lie her way out of it, but I don't think that's going to work.
00:06:30.580 All right, let's get into Andrew Weissman because you really broke this story.
00:06:35.080 Mr. Weissman bought an extremely expensive, I guess, condominium in Manhattan.
00:06:41.060 But it was under very shady circumstances.
00:06:44.620 Lay this on us.
00:06:46.480 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:47.420 Well, it's unclear if he bought it or if it was like a Christmas gift, excuse me, a Hanukkah gift, because Weissman, he actually lives in sort of near the NYU area, the northern tip of the West Village.
00:07:03.860 And he's a professor, everyone knows, at NYU Law.
00:07:06.780 That's where I first confronted him about his relationship with Felix Sater, which is going to come up later in this investigation.
00:07:14.920 Felix Sater, many people know, is a very longstanding FBI confidential human informant signed an agreement with Weissman in 1998.
00:07:26.140 And Sater has testified under oath that he's done all kinds of things.
00:07:30.320 This guy's basically the Russian James Bond.
00:07:32.520 But I digress back to Weissman.
00:07:34.160 So Weissman purchased two condominiums valued at $7.5 million in the Tribeca neighborhood of New York, very exclusive neighborhood.
00:07:45.000 He bought them from this guy named Leonard Tobaroff.
00:07:48.480 And the interesting thing about Tobaroff is he was business partners with Jeffrey Epstein in the 1980s.
00:07:55.040 And a lot of people who, and believe me, I'm not pooh-poohing being skeptical.
00:07:59.460 You should be.
00:08:00.400 Let's take everything skeptically.
00:08:02.380 But this guy wasn't just someone who happened to be doing business at Bear Stearns and didn't know anything about Epstein.
00:08:08.260 Tobaroff was involved in the Tower financial scandal, which was, people might recall, Stephen Hoffenberg, who was involved with the New York Post.
00:08:18.680 Horst Hoffenberg later was convicted and admitted to being involved in a $460 million Ponzi scheme.
00:08:28.920 And Epstein had lied about the source of the funds for an investment that Tobaroff, Epstein, and a guy named Niederlander made in a company in 1988 called Riddell Sports.
00:08:39.880 So $1.6 million of that investment came from stolen funds.
00:08:46.420 And so, you know, this is, this is, Tobaroff is involved in this deal and he just doesn't care.
00:08:51.480 So, you know, it's a little bit inexplicable why Tobaroff would do that.
00:08:55.800 Then he had already been involved with this thing called Penwalt Corp, some sort of takeover bid.
00:09:02.640 And again, I mean, these are details that people are going to know a lot more about than I did.
00:09:06.500 I just was researching this for background into this Tobaroff.
00:09:09.640 And these are all things that Charles Ortel has told me about over the years.
00:09:13.460 Charles knows great details about each of these scandals.
00:09:17.440 But the point is, this is not just some random guy.
00:09:20.760 This is a criminal associate, excuse me, an alleged criminal associate.
00:09:25.840 I should also say, everything that I'm saying is my opinion.
00:09:28.780 And Roger Stone and ABC Radio don't necessarily endorse this.
00:09:33.340 I am not an attorney.
00:09:34.380 Nothing I'm saying here is legal advice.
00:09:37.360 This is my opinion and information that I have gathered from looking at public documents.
00:09:42.800 Anyone can get these documents.
00:09:44.140 I don't have any access to anything secret or whatever.
00:09:46.800 You know, that's a very, very key point.
00:09:49.800 I've invited Attorney General Tisha James onto the show here at the Stone Zone at any time to respond to all of these allegations.
00:09:57.880 And that is an open invitation.
00:10:00.940 I don't expect that she will accept it, but I would be happy to have her on it.
00:10:05.380 Yeah.
00:10:06.140 Well, okay.
00:10:06.740 So back to Weissman.
00:10:08.000 Flash forward to April 2023.
00:10:11.720 Okay.
00:10:12.000 Now, this is the guy who was the head of the DOJ's Enron Task Force.
00:10:16.980 He was the lead prosecutor on Mueller's impeachment of Trump.
00:10:21.680 Let's just focus on Weissman for a second, because this is not, I mean, if I told you I bought an apartment and then I found out the guy was associated with Jeffrey Epstein, I'm a dummy who was running 3D cameras for Spider-Man for many years.
00:10:32.920 I don't know who all the high-end financial criminals in New York City are, but Andrew Weissman was in charge of the Organized Crime Division of the Eastern District of New York U.S. Attorney's Office for many years.
00:10:47.140 In fact, deranged Jack Smith came up under Weissman in the Eastern District of New York U.S. Attorney's Office.
00:10:57.960 Burl Howell came out of there.
00:11:00.520 Loretta Lynch came out of there.
00:11:02.660 It's a viper's pit.
00:11:04.920 But anyway, Weissman, he buys this $7.5 million, they're adjoined apartments, two separate apartments, and I'm told it's unusual.
00:11:15.240 I've never been involved in a deal like this, $7.5 million, two apartments.
00:11:19.040 I'm told it's unusual for two separate real estate entities to be on one mortgage, but that's how this was done.
00:11:27.400 What I found weird is you're buying something for $7.5 million, but the mortgage is only for a million.
00:11:33.160 I mean, that seems crazy.
00:11:35.440 Don't you usually have like maybe 20% and they give you the rest of it?
00:11:40.220 This seems too low to me.
00:11:42.200 But the other thing is there's no record of where the other $6.5 million came from.
00:11:50.700 Weissman gets this sort of fugazi $1 million mortgage from First Republic Bank five days before it goes into FDIC receivership.
00:12:01.320 So it's impossible to presume that the bank didn't know that that was imminent or that the DOJ and, you know, the Treasury Department people knew that that was happening.
00:12:11.980 And it just seems weird to me that a bank in such financial distress would be giving out a million dollar loan to anybody, let alone one with such ridiculous terms.
00:12:22.460 You know, average mortgage rate in 2023 at that time in April was like six and a half to seven and a half percent.
00:12:31.720 Weissman, it's a 30 year jumbo arm.
00:12:34.920 It's an adjustable rate mortgage that starts at 4.95 percent, but it can go up as high as I think 10 percent or possibly even higher.
00:12:43.880 The thing that's crazy is five days later, when First Republic goes into FDIC receivership and $15.6 billion of, you know, insurance magic happens.
00:12:57.800 But don't worry, Roger.
00:12:59.200 They didn't use any taxpayer money.
00:13:03.000 You didn't pay for it, but you probably did pay $9 for eggs because the dollar is worth about half as much as it should because they keep printing more of them.
00:13:10.620 But don't worry.
00:13:11.480 Don't worry.
00:13:12.300 It's all fine.
00:13:13.480 Andrew Weissman got his apartment.
00:13:16.060 So we don't know where the $6.5 million came from.
00:13:19.340 That's quite crazy.
00:13:21.180 He seems to have foreknowledge that the bank was going to collapse.
00:13:25.020 And so when the bank collapses and the FDIC takes it over, receivership, whatever they do, it gets taken over by J.P. Morgan.
00:13:33.640 And Weissman, because of this wonderful arrangement, he locks in his 4.95 percent rate for 10 years.
00:13:44.380 So he's getting an amazing deal on the mortgage.
00:13:46.780 Roger, it's interesting because I started this investigation maybe about five days ago, and some of this stuff has been kicking around, and a lot of people have been sending me ideas, and something occurred to me.
00:13:57.300 You know, it does kind of make you upset to hear about these connected guys getting good deals on mortgages, and we're talking about $7.5 million this and this and that.
00:14:08.260 But specifically with, let's say, Jamie Raskin and Adam Schiff.
00:14:12.480 Let's just look at that specifically for a moment.
00:14:15.020 Jason, we're going to have to come back and do that on the other side.
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00:15:19.420 And we're back in The Stone Zone.
00:15:20.860 We're talking to investigative journalist Jason Goodman about the sweetheart deal that was gotten by former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissman.
00:15:29.660 You remember him.
00:15:30.260 He's the guy who covered up mob murders in Brooklyn, the guy who who brought down both Enron and Arthur Anderson, only to have his convictions in those cases unanimously overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:15:43.820 The Andrew Weissman who destroyed the cell phone memories of all of the Mueller prosecutors when they were under subpoena from Special Prosecutor John Durham.
00:15:55.280 That Andrew Weissman, you may have seen him at MSNBC.
00:15:58.660 By the way, he is the guy who ordered the FBI to store my home at six o'clock in the morning when they simply could have contacted my attorney and told me to turn myself in.
00:16:09.340 And we know that because I was arrested at 6.06 and at 6.11, a producer at CNN texted a copy of my sealed indictment to my attorney.
00:16:20.020 And while it had no court stampings or other court markings on it, if you looked at the metadata tags, it did have the initials of the man who wrote it.
00:16:27.940 And therefore, the man who leaked it in violation of federal law, that would be Andrew Weissman.
00:16:33.700 But I want to wrap up with Weissman and get into Congressman Jerry, Jamie Raskin.
00:16:40.800 This guy is a real piece of work.
00:16:42.820 And that story is even more outrageous.
00:16:45.200 So, Jason, lay it on us.
00:16:47.920 Well, so exactly.
00:16:49.260 I mean, with Weissman, OK, he's got this seven point five million dollar asset.
00:16:53.040 We've been through that.
00:16:54.100 And that's one method here.
00:16:56.980 Obviously, if somebody could gift you a seven point five million dollar apartment in New York City, you're looking at maybe twenty five thousand dollars a month in income or more.
00:17:04.960 But when we look specifically at the case of Raskin and the similarities to what Adam Schiff was doing, it really raises questions, Roger, because there we have those guys did.
00:17:17.360 Well, Raskin did satisfy some of a mortgage.
00:17:20.540 His goes back to a house that he had in the 90s, which is very interesting.
00:17:25.100 And he's doing a lot of refinancing of it.
00:17:28.040 At one point, he even gets into a zero dollar deed where he's transferring the property from himself and his wife to himself and his wife.
00:17:41.120 I don't understand why he's doing that.
00:17:43.140 I mean, again, these are these are complex criminal mechanisms and I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a criminal.
00:17:48.280 So I can't say why they're doing it.
00:17:50.680 I'm just in a mode where I'm going through and I'm gathering the evidence.
00:17:54.860 And the thing that strikes me as weird, just as an initial matter, because I started to break this down, you know, using artificial intelligence, I can do a lot of analysis of this data that I would never be able to do myself.
00:18:06.220 And it turns out that in the case of Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin, I found sort of the similarities in what they were doing.
00:18:13.260 And it turns out that between the two of them, they were saving between one hundred and fifty and two hundred dollars a month on their mortgages.
00:18:20.860 And it just strikes me as odd that someone is sophisticated.
00:18:25.760 These guys are both attorneys.
00:18:27.380 They're both in Congress.
00:18:28.940 They have very public lives.
00:18:30.260 Why would they risk their reputations, going to jail, losing their bar licenses over such small beer crimes?
00:18:39.540 There's no way to me, Roger.
00:18:41.840 This has got to be an initiation right into a criminal network that's involved in crimes so vast that the theft of multiple millions of dollars is they just don't even have the bandwidth to think about.
00:18:56.500 So that's what I'm interested in learning is why did these guys do this?
00:19:01.500 It doesn't make sense on its face.
00:19:03.280 I think the answer we have about a minute and a half to go here, but I think the answer is they did it because they can.
00:19:09.900 They did it because we have, until Donald Trump's re-election, a two-tiered justice system in which Donald Trump has put through horrific trials on trumped-up, ridiculous charges in New York.
00:19:22.980 But criminals like Adam Schiff, like Letitia James, like Jamie Raskin get sweetheart deals that the average person could never get.
00:19:32.900 They violate multiple laws, but they are never held to account.
00:19:37.020 I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
00:19:38.440 I want to thank our guest, Jason Goodman.
00:19:40.860 Jason, where can people find you on X, formerly known as Twitter?
00:19:45.500 Yes, the best way to follow me there is at JG, like Jason Goodman, underscore CSTT, like crowdsource the truth.
00:19:54.580 JG underscore CSTT on X.
00:19:57.540 Thank you, Roger, so much for having me on.
00:19:59.340 Thank you so much for helping compress so much complicated information into a short period of time.
00:20:05.900 But it is a perfect example of what's been going on in Washington and why it is absolutely essential that we drain the swamp.
00:20:14.400 Jason, thanks for joining us.
00:20:15.740 And for all our listeners, until we meet again, God bless you and Godspeed.
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