The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in

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00:00:30.700 and we're back the big story today the release of the jfk assassination archives as promised by

00:00:42.300 president donald trump during the campaign a promise that he has now fulfilled uh it is

00:00:49.500 impossible to parse 80 000 documents overnight although many have tried joining us now is

00:00:56.960 attorney uh and respected rfk researcher tyler nixon he also represents abraham bolden uh who is

00:01:05.560 among i think the first african-american secret service agents who was there in dallas the story

00:01:13.320 of bolden is something we'll get into a little later but tyler welcome to the stone zone roger

00:01:19.440 great to be with you congratulations uh it is uh great to have you i know few people as knowledgeable

00:01:25.900 as you are about the kennedy assassination so let me ask you off the top uh with these disclosures

00:01:32.400 yesterday what do you make of what you have seen so far well i'm not surprised and i think we've we've

00:01:39.080 talked about this many times i i don't believe that there will be any sort of bombshell smoking guns or

00:01:45.380 any type of uh dispositive evidence that comes out that that conclusively says that it was any one

00:01:51.920 you know particular person or that or that it was lee harvey oswald what i am seeing a lot of

00:01:56.480 is a lot of focus on what i think would be considered the cover story the story that they wanted to

00:02:03.960 they wanted to be believed which you know oswald wasn't a lone nut that he was backed by uh you know

00:02:10.640 cuba or russia in order to exacerbate and make worse um and potentially spark war for the war hawks the um

00:02:17.620 the curtis lamaze of the world who wanted who wanted the confrontation with russia and didn't

00:02:21.700 mind potentially having a nuclear war um and kennedy had thwarted that and i believe that was part of

00:02:28.140 what cost him his life and what we're seeing are a lot of a lot of i think um documents that are

00:02:34.560 key to that sort of story you know oswald was controlled by this and that uh russian uh operatives

00:02:41.780 and that kind of thing um it's a lot of to me it's a it's a lot of filler it's really uh there's

00:02:48.260 only been one i think document the underhill uh the memo that indicates that a gentleman named

00:02:53.640 underhill the day of the assassination went to friends with you know with terror it was terrorized

00:02:59.560 said that the cia did it and of course he committed suicide supposedly six months later and you know

00:03:05.720 that's kind of a little juicy tidbit but nothing the core of the story i think we know that 62 years

00:03:11.360 these documents have been sitting in in the recesses of the government archives um at the cia or

00:03:17.260 wherever have you and they have been gone over and scrubbed i'm sure so many times i agree tyler i'm

00:03:23.180 going to stop you there we're going to we're going to go to a quick break when we return uh tyler

00:03:28.140 nixon will continue to talk to us about the disclosures of the jfk documents and i want to get

00:03:33.660 into the story of abraham bolden a secret service agent who has been disserved by this country you're

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00:04:31.880 this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone

00:04:51.360 and we're back in the stone zone we're talking to tyler nixon attorney at law but also one of the

00:05:00.940 most respected jfk assassination researchers in the country also a long time personal friend he's

00:05:07.220 represented me personally uh there's really nobody better on these topics uh you made an excellent

00:05:14.380 point before the break tyler and that is these documents have been in the hands of the federal

00:05:19.740 government uh for 62 years they have had more than enough time to to cleanse them of any document that

00:05:28.800 would disprove what i think is the largely discredited theory of the warring commission that being

00:05:34.400 that lee harvey oswald a lone nut uh supposedly uh a russian communist uh shot and killed

00:05:43.920 the president and acted alone i always thought it was interesting that malcolm killduff uh the man who was the

00:05:50.800 deputy press secretary for president john f kennedy the man who had the horrific job of announcing to the

00:05:58.400 huddled press in dallas that john f kennedy uh had in fact uh passed away uh is almost subsequently

00:06:07.120 on an elevator with the new president lyndon johnson and he says to him according to killed off's memoirs

00:06:14.240 mr president who would do such a horrible thing who would kill our president and johnson says it was a

00:06:21.360 communist son and killed off says a communist what kind of a communist sir and johnson says it was a

00:06:29.920 russian communist son the problem with this conversation of course is that oswald had not

00:06:35.280 yet been apprehended so how did johnson know that a quote unquote russian communist had killed john f kennedy

00:06:42.960 uh interestingly just just as you had noted uh i saw i believe a tweet from yesterday roger that uh

00:06:50.320 johnson asked for a second set of clothing a suit uh to be uh brought for on the 21st so as if he was

00:06:58.640 going to the next day have to change his clothes and uh you know look johnson was your your your

00:07:05.200 amazing book uh the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj which i would urge everyone to go out and

00:07:11.280 get if you haven't gotten it yet um really does tie it all together uh at the center of it all was this

00:07:17.840 this um just uh homicidal sort of uh megalomaniacal psychopath lyndon johnson and he uh you know it's

00:07:26.960 it really you have to think of the the milieu in which everybody uh lived back then and and the grandeur

00:07:33.520 of the presidency and the ability of the intelligence services and frankly the the powers that be to

00:07:40.080 control media is the fact that if you think about it today as just a basic story john kennedy was

00:07:46.400 invited to texas home turf and johnson johnson goes back uh as president and kennedy comes back in a

00:07:53.600 body bag i mean and that really tells you what you need to know about the whole thing yeah we know we

00:07:58.480 we know that the night before the murder uh that johnson goes to president kennedy's uh room in fort

00:08:06.640 worth in a hotel and tries to persuade kennedy to change the motorcade arrangements to put

00:08:14.560 his hated enemy senator ralph yarborough of texas the head of the progressive liberal wing of the texas

00:08:20.720 democrat party in the death car with kennedy and have uh johnson crony governor john connolly

00:08:28.720 uh removed and put in the vice presidential car uh and because that defeats the whole supposed

00:08:37.280 purpose for the trip to texas which is to bind up the divisions in the texas democrat party between

00:08:44.800 the bourbon conservative wing of the party uh a wing that no longer exists today i might add uh and the

00:08:51.200 progressive wing of the democrat party uh kennedy refuses uh and johnson uh throws a pitch as a fit

00:08:59.120 leaves in a huff jacqueline kennedy asks her husband what's wrong with johnson and kennedy says that's

00:09:05.040 just linden being linden so uh it is clear to me that johnson knows that his protege the man who served as

00:09:13.760 his senate administrative assistant a man who of whom he once said that uh john connolly's as loyal as a

00:09:20.880 dog he said if you called him at three o'clock in the morning told him to come polish your boots he'd

00:09:25.360 come a run in it's a direct quote uh he tried he knew that connolly was in the death car connolly of

00:09:32.240 course would be wounded uh in the attack on kennedy uh he would never allow the bullet to be removed

00:09:39.280 from his wrist uh but he always publicly uh denied the so-called single bullet theory that is that that

00:09:47.200 he had been hit by the same bullet as john kennedy yes no question and and it's interesting you there's

00:09:55.360 some pictures of connolly uh right at the airport as they're getting ready to leave love field and

00:10:01.520 he's got this like stiff expression on his face i mean he looks he looks tense let's just say as if

00:10:07.920 he knew i think he knew something was coming as well obviously because he's the one who invited kennedy to

00:10:12.480 texas and you know i'm i just i guess it shows that jfk may be as savvy as he was was a little

00:10:20.080 naive about how ruthless and uh crazy that lyndon johnson was and how how high his blood was up for

00:10:27.360 the kennedys um and all the slights and it's probably because jack kennedy tried to treat lyndon and tried

00:10:33.200 to get his people to treat lyndon with respect uh or some level of dignity but they couldn't help it i

00:10:38.560 mean they call him with uncle corn pwn i believe was one of the nick names they called him and uh

00:10:43.200 you know he was treated very very shabbily by the the kennedy uh retinue as well as of course you know

00:10:48.720 he and bobby kennedy hated each other but it does it you know you can't i guess you got to say at least

00:10:54.320 lyndon tried right but nevertheless he had to send uh watches uh his protege go right into the into the

00:11:00.880 kill zone as he ducked down inside his limit or his uh lincoln continental a few cars back yeah that's

00:11:06.880 that's another key factor which is you can see in both newsreel footage and also still photograph

00:11:11.840 footage from that day uh riding in the vice presidential limousine which was a cadillac

00:11:17.760 that they called the queen mary which would normally would have been directly behind the

00:11:22.480 presidential limousine but there was in this case both a secret service car full of agents

00:11:29.520 and a a car full of reporters between the presidential and vice presidential limousines

00:11:36.080 and if you look at the pictures you see lady bird johnson and you see senator ralph yarborough

00:11:42.400 and you see lyndon johnson then in the next frame johnson is missing that's because as we now know

00:11:49.360 before the first shot is fired johnson hits the deck he's on the floor of his limousine

00:11:55.120 talking into what ralph yarborough says in his memoirs and in oral history is a walkie-talkie or some

00:12:01.680 kind of small radio so clearly johnson anticipates the attack on kennedy in advance now the secret

00:12:08.560 service agent assigned to johnson uh would tell the warring commission that after he heard the first

00:12:15.280 shot that he forced johnson to the floor only after johnson's death did that agent come forward

00:12:22.880 and say well that wasn't really the truth that's what i was told to say in fact johnson hit the deck

00:12:29.120 prior to the first shot being fired that's right and uh he he told the story that rufus youngblood

00:12:35.520 leapt over the car and shield now threw himself on top of johnson uh threw it left over the seat and and

00:12:41.680 this was not true this is not true at all he was just uh he was just trying to play up the whole drama

00:12:46.240 of it you know as though he was in mortal danger as well as uh you know john f kennedy and of course we

00:12:51.840 have that infamous uh uh november 27th conversation between recorded which johnson knew was being

00:12:58.160 recorded of course between he and j edgar hoover where he sort of asks do you think they were firing

00:13:03.520 at me or do you think there was any threat to me something along those lines and uh you know playing

00:13:08.640 up for the playing up for the uh the recording clearly because uh you know he knew full well that

00:13:14.880 there was no uh no guns aimed at him that day you have um taken on the case of abraham bolden

00:13:22.800 this is i think a very compelling story that unfortunately the mainstream media

00:13:27.120 has not covered bolden was a secret service agent i think he may have been the first or among the first

00:13:33.360 african-american secret service agents who've been treated extremely shabbily by our government uh tell us

00:13:40.160 this story sure it's really it's a horrifying story especially considering that not only were the uh

00:13:48.240 some of them hung over beyond belief secret service agents there in dallas that day none none not a

00:13:54.960 single agent was either disciplined uh in fact many of them were promoted the shift supervisor emory

00:14:00.320 roberts who stood who told the agents to freeze in the limousine behind kennedy's limousine uh that the

00:14:07.040 queen mary told them to freeze as the shooting began he became the appointment secretary to linden

00:14:12.320 johnson kind of an odd role for a secret service agent but that again touches back on linden's uh

00:14:18.000 complicity but abraham bolden was the first uh black secret service agent ever to serve on the white

00:14:24.080 house detail he was hand selected by president kennedy when president kennedy came through chicago on april 28th

00:14:30.000 1961 bolden served uh it was a brief it was a brief period because he experienced such intense racism

00:14:38.640 amongst the agents and and constantly being uh lampooned and he also saw among the agents

00:14:45.760 quite a bit of laxity and carousing and drinking similar to what the agents uh who were out in the

00:14:51.520 cellar in fort worth till 4 a.m the morning of the assassination did um bolden returns to chicago is a

00:14:58.240 uh extremely meritorious and brilliant undercover uh secret service agent doing counter a bus on

00:15:05.440 counterfeiters um he had been the first uh the detect black detective in the uh illinois state police and

00:15:12.320 he was the first black pinker detective he had a spotless record after the assassination um and by

00:15:18.400 the way he also had heard amongst agents some of these southern agents who called him uh who took to

00:15:24.480 referring to president kennedy as a n-word lover i won't use the real the actual term um and and

00:15:31.680 sentiments that they might not protect kennedy or there to be an attack on him which he found also

00:15:36.080 shocking so um bolden of course is shocked and and just dismally disappointed and horrified at the

00:15:43.840 assassination of president kennedy and in part because on november 2nd 1963 um they the secret service uh in

00:15:52.240 chicago had busted up well not busted up but learned of a uh some cuban uh cubans who were in town

00:16:00.400 staying in a rooming house and the rooming house i guess uh the the lady who runs it had been cleaning

00:16:06.480 the room and found you know high-powered rifles and a map with the parade route proposed president

00:16:12.160 kennedy was going to come to town to see the army navy game they broke that up or you know they were onto

00:16:18.080 it and essentially uh president kennedy's trip to chicago ultimately was canceled we're unclear as

00:16:23.760 to why but they bungled the pursuit of these cubans i think they only caught one of them they

00:16:29.520 interrogated them and apparently just let him go and knowledge of this was was held within chicago the

00:16:36.000 chicago uh field office and potentially some higher ups maybe at the in the secret service but was not

00:16:41.360 disseminated throughout the system so you know this is this was a shocking it should have been a high alert to

00:16:47.280 the uh to the agency throughout that they should have been on you know there should have been extra

00:16:52.000 precautions taken in dallas um so bolden uh you know continues his work as a secret service agent and

00:16:58.560 the warren commission is formed in early 64 and bolden decides that he can't hold this information to

00:17:06.240 himself um concerning the laxity of the agents uh and especially concerning the plot that he was aware of

00:17:12.560 and in uh chicago and he requests to speak speak to the warren commission he you know sends a a formal

00:17:19.200 request up the chain of command and is denied of course they say no you will not speak to the warren

00:17:24.800 commission so uh you know bolden was not one to accept um you know he was he's a truthful man an

00:17:31.520 honest man he's uh really if you hear him speak he has the wisdom of solomon um and so in may of 64 around

00:17:39.040 the i believe the 18th he is uh sent with a number of agents to washington for what they said was

00:17:44.880 annual training that was due uh that secret service agents have with the national uh the national

00:17:50.000 headquarters immediately uh that afternoon the same day they're all ordered uh the agents from chicago

00:17:57.280 including bolden to return to chicago um and he begins to get suspicious because it was unusual you

00:18:03.760 know they said there was some counterfeiting case that they needed everybody on deck for

00:18:07.040 uh the head of the secret service in uh chicago at the time maurice martineau directly gave the order

00:18:14.080 when bolden gets down on the ground they escort him to the u.s attorney's office and charge him

00:18:19.360 out of the blue with soliciting a bribe now this was uh a crazy instance because um first of all bolden

00:18:27.680 had arrested one of the people accusing him uh twice before and these were two uh career criminals who had

00:18:34.480 uh absolutely you know long records of crime or and were also under pending charges and the main

00:18:40.960 witness was facing upwards of you know decades in prison tyler i'm tyler i'm going to stop you there

00:18:46.080 we're going to pick it up on the other side if you're just tuning in we're talking to tyler nixon

00:18:50.080 jfk assassination researcher and we'll be right back this is the stone zone with roger stone

00:18:58.320 this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in the

00:19:23.200 office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than anybody in

00:19:28.240 this place now as they treated him very unfairly now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger

00:19:37.200 stone we're back in the zone if you're just tuning in we're talking to tyler nixon attorney at law

00:19:45.760 uh who represents abraham bolden a former secret service agent uh tyler continue uh with this story

00:19:53.600 of injustice regarding abraham bolden sure abraham bolden the secret service agent first black secret

00:20:00.080 service agent on the white house detail uh handpicked by president kennedy is arrested by his fellow

00:20:05.520 secret service agents in chicago on may 18th 1964 and charged with soliciting a bribe this is a the story

00:20:13.760 on its face is frankly crazy because first of all um the only witnesses against him supposed witnesses

00:20:21.280 were career criminals who were uh in the essentially under the pressure of facing immediate uh trial on

00:20:28.240 serious counterfeiting charges and there was no physical evidence or any sort of evidence directly

00:20:34.800 uh dispositive or showing you know that bolden had had in fact solicited a bribe and there it just

00:20:40.240 makes no sense the man was he had a spotless record of service um was a meticulous undercover agent who

00:20:47.040 had been commended multiple times uh within the agency for all the great work he did and so he's put

00:20:53.680 immediately brought to trial and i'm talking within a matter of weeks before a uh a an uh let's just

00:21:00.400 say a bombastic aggressive and racist judge in federal court um he is put through this this ridiculous almost

00:21:08.080 absurd sort of um trial where the evidence are things like a whiskey bottle that has fingerprints

00:21:14.480 of the one of the witnesses against him to prove that they were together when the uh bribe solicitation

00:21:20.640 was passed along it was just an absurdity and the judge uh constantly cut off um uh bolden's defense

00:21:27.920 defense attorney and really made it a quite a slog for him just to get through and put on any kind of

00:21:32.960 defense and the judge finally as they're getting ready to uh the jury's getting ready to retire to

00:21:39.520 deliberate does the unusual move of telling the jury that he believes that the evidence is sufficient to

00:21:46.560 show that the uh the defendant is guilty in other words essentially tells them that he thinks bolden's

00:21:52.800 guilty so this is i mean this is so rigged it's unbelievable um bolden ultimately gets a hung jury in

00:21:59.840 that first trial and uh it was a single uh black lady who was on the trial of the jury who said she

00:22:05.440 didn't you know she held out she would not vote guilty so it was a hung jury and um immediately

00:22:11.440 within a matter of again a couple of weeks i mean you're talking he would put went through two federal

00:22:15.360 trials within a matter of three months which is in itself unheard of and certainly would never happen

00:22:21.040 today goes through a second trial same deal um and is ultimately found guilty uh by the by the all

00:22:28.160 white jury of course uh in chicago and is is sentenced ultimately to uh six and a half years in federal

00:22:34.800 prison where he serves three and a half now this is where it really gets nuts the main witness against

00:22:40.160 him this guy joseph spagnoli the counterfeiter the career criminal goes to trial before the same judge

00:22:45.520 a couple months later in chicago or a few months later during that trial he is under oath and testifies and

00:22:53.920 to the surprise obviously of the uh of the federal prosecutors that the assistant u.s attorney one

00:23:00.720 of the assistant u.s attorneys in bolden's case prosecuting bolden suborned perjured testimony from

00:23:07.120 this witness spagnoli in against bolden so in other words bolden was convicted on perjured testimony

00:23:13.280 solicited by the assistant u.s attorney and and coached as well not just simply solicited but also

00:23:19.280 suborned and this goes to appeal that the judge presiding was at a really an axe to grind i guess

00:23:26.640 with bolden was a racist he refuses to even uh declare a mistrial do anything about it it goes up

00:23:32.880 to appeal on the uh and the uh the circuit court of the federal circuit court of appeals and this this

00:23:39.600 information is brought out this assistant u.s attorney is called before the court of appeals

00:23:44.400 to answer for the perjury charge or the suborning perjury charge whether he did this he pleads the

00:23:51.040 fifth amendment before the court of appeals if you can believe that how would that be acceptable in

00:23:55.840 this anywhere uh in any ethical uh environment or fair environment where tyler we've got we've got

00:24:02.720 about one minute you are fighting for justice for for abraham bolden tell us tell us how folks can

00:24:08.480 support that fight well right now we're getting ready to to request that the president um uh settle

00:24:15.920 abraham bolden's civil case and and order the vacature uh through pam bondy of his um his conviction in

00:24:22.640 chicago in in uh 1964 and that he'd be restored as a secret service agent and um there will be more

00:24:29.040 coming on that roger i don't want to everybody can catch my uh my twitter feed my x feed at real tyler

00:24:34.960 nixon and i'll be posting more and more information about that in the days ahead and i appreciate your

00:24:39.760 support roger you worked so hard to try to get him a pardon uh several years back and he ultimately

00:24:45.200 did get one but um justice has not been done yet in his case all right i want to thank our guest

00:24:50.480 tyler nixon and also for laying out the story of injustice against abraham bolden the first african

00:24:57.200 american secret service agent assigned to a presidential detail this has been the stone zone we appreciate

00:25:02.800 your tuning in until we meet again god bless you and god speed

JFK Expert - Tyler Nixon ｜ 03-19-25

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