The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - JFK Murder Re-Examined. Shot From Front And Back = Conspiracy! The StoneZONE w⧸ Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.

00:00:12.380 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:16.560 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:21.520 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:27.620 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:33.220 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:38.560 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:46.340 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:51.580 One of the most enduring murder mysteries of the 20th century is who killed President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and why.

00:01:02.520 From the very beginning, many Americans weren't certain about the conclusions of the Warren Commission,

00:01:09.760 who quickly rubber-stamped an FBI investigation, fingering Lee Harvey Oswald, a man they said was a lone nut,

00:01:20.860 a Russian dissident, as the single assassin acting alone.

00:01:28.800 They claimed that he shot President John F. Kennedy three times from the rear.

00:01:36.020 From the beginning, they haven't maintained all of that.

00:01:41.340 That, of course, means that he acted alone.

00:01:44.200 If one could prove that Kennedy had sustained wounds from both the front and the back,

00:01:51.860 it disproves the central conclusion of the Warren Commission,

00:01:55.980 because it takes more than one person to be in a conspiracy,

00:02:00.880 and that it was indeed a conspiracy.

00:02:03.200 In my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ,

00:02:08.980 I put forward my thesis after much investigation that there was indeed a plot helmed by Lyndon Baines Johnson

00:02:18.580 that included the Central Intelligence Agency, organized crime, big Texas oil, banking interests,

00:02:27.800 and others who had a mutual interest in the removal of JFK.

00:02:34.780 But it was Lyndon Johnson, I believe, who had the most acute need for Kennedy's removal.

00:02:42.260 He was under investigation for epic corruption.

00:02:45.640 I like to look at the Kennedy assassination from many points of view.

00:02:50.120 All of my research is based on those who went before me.

00:02:54.940 I could name many of them, but Mark Lane and many, many others that I credit with my knowledge,

00:03:03.280 bar McClellan and others.

00:03:05.680 Certainly, I've studied all the literature on Lyndon Baines Johnson's strange connections to the murder of JFK.

00:03:13.360 Here to discuss this today is Dr. Paul Maurer.

00:03:18.300 He's going to come from a different point of view.

00:03:20.940 He is a noted physician.

00:03:23.140 He is a resident in neurosurgery at the University of Rochester from 1981 to 1986.

00:03:31.720 He's the attending Letterman Army Medical Center attending neurosurgeon from 1986 to 1988.

00:03:39.800 He was the attending neurosurgeon at Walter Reed Army Center in D.C. from 1988 to 1992.

00:03:49.640 He was the chief of neurosurgery for the 101st Airborne 88th Evacuation Hospital in Saudi Arabia.

00:03:59.920 He was a professor of neurology at the University of Rochester, current.

00:04:04.600 He is a chief neurological surgeon at Rochester Regional Health Systems.

00:04:10.460 I think you get the picture.

00:04:12.080 But he is indeed, in this particular case, he's a specialist in wounds, particularly gunshot wounds.

00:04:19.800 Here to talk to the good doctor is my co-host and friend, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of the Red Hot Slingshot.News.

00:04:32.060 Troy, welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:04:35.380 Roger, as always, it's an honor to be here.

00:04:37.660 And every time this topic comes up on this show, it's a show that I know is going to be, it's going to get a lot of viewers.

00:04:42.960 And we're going to crack a lot of truth because there's a lot of people, Roger, as you know, who are scared to talk about the JFK assassination still to this day.

00:04:50.080 Well, Dr. Maurer and I have a mutual friend who's a friend of President Trump.

00:04:55.100 It was that man who turned me on to Dr. Maurer, who has a number of things to say.

00:05:02.360 I haven't heard all of his conclusions, but he told me he read and respects my book.

00:05:08.000 He's here to talk today.

00:05:09.060 He has some fascinating things he's already told me, but he brings a different perspective, of course, because he's an esteemed neurosurgeon with an expertise in bullet shot wounds.

00:05:20.060 As you know, recently, a documentary put forward by Paramount featuring interviews with the doctors at the hospital in Dallas, Parkland, where JFK had been taken, said that the wounds they saw were consistent with being shot from both the front and the rear.

00:05:44.480 I think Dr. Maurer can tell us even more.

00:05:48.240 Dr. Paul Maurer, welcome into the Stone Zone.

00:05:51.980 It's an honor to be here, gentlemen.

00:05:53.760 Thank you for having me.

00:05:55.460 I'm delighted that you give us your time.

00:05:58.960 You're still a very active physician.

00:06:01.640 You're still out there helping people heal and helping people, particularly who are wounded.

00:06:08.080 So God bless you for that.

00:06:10.680 You bring a very different perspective here.

00:06:13.400 I've put forward a thesis as to the motives of everybody involved here.

00:06:19.360 I reject Warren, obviously, as a false conclusion.

00:06:23.860 There are many notable problems with all of their conclusions.

00:06:28.180 Lee Harvey Oswald has no nitrate or powder burns on his arms or his chest after having supposedly fired a leaky World War II vintage carcano carbine.

00:06:43.400 It's highly unlikely, but as reflected in the Dallas police report, yet they blame him with the shooting of JFK that day.

00:06:52.700 I just use that as an example.

00:06:54.920 But, doctor, you've looked at this case both from two points of view.

00:07:01.020 You've looked for motive, like all Americans, who would do this, and how was it done? 0.96

00:07:07.820 Why was it done?

00:07:09.020 You bring a lot of knowledge to the table that we as non-physicians, certainly non-neurosurgeons, do not have.

00:07:16.820 So welcome to the show, and let's get right to it.

00:07:20.100 Tell me what you think.

00:07:21.120 Thank you so much.

00:07:23.580 I guess I would just put the small intro of my own in for those that are younger, like Troy, who was probably in his mother's ovary when I was in medical school or long after that.

00:07:36.180 But for the people that are a little bit younger, people will often say, why is this such an important topic still?

00:07:43.540 Because if this was just a lone soul, it's a random event, still an overthrow of a government.

00:07:50.500 If it was done by a group or other individuals, as you detail in such depth in your book, that's really a coup d'etat.

00:07:58.900 And so the implications of this, for me, are extraordinary.

00:08:02.960 I think what we saw with COVID, no matter where a person is on that, also opens up the feature of this, that it's an opportune time to review the JFK event and the assassination.

00:08:16.640 Because I think most people have a little different view about when people give us information, is it true?

00:08:22.480 Is it false?

00:08:23.540 Are they giving us the whole story?

00:08:24.960 I think everybody's ready to take a little more open-minded look at this, no matter where you are on these topics.

00:08:30.600 If you will, I'm going to walk through the shooting.

00:08:34.940 My role here, my expertise, if you will, if you want to call it that, is obviously neurosurgery and terminal ballistic wounds of the brain and spine, as we discussed.

00:08:45.300 And I lecture about this to lots of government, non-government organizations over the years, and it is an area I'm obviously very fascinated by.

00:08:53.780 So I'm going to walk through the motorcade.

00:08:55.420 I'm going to pick it up, not the strategic part of this assassination, meaning the milieu, the stew of, you know, different agencies and the mob and everybody else involved.

00:09:06.420 That's so beautifully reviewed previously.

00:09:08.840 My area will be to say, let's take a walk through the day this happened.

00:09:12.940 Let's take a walk through 10 or 15 seconds and take a look at it from a ballistics neurosurgical perspective.

00:09:20.060 It is a little different.

00:09:21.080 I'm a, I've been in neurosurgery long enough. 0.67

00:09:24.020 Most neurosurgeons are a little arrogant.

00:09:26.600 You do this for 10 or 12,000 operations, you become more so.

00:09:30.880 And so I will stand on what I say, recognizing I'm not trying to preach to any single entity, but to just take a placid, open look at this.

00:09:41.360 Could I have slide one, please?

00:09:42.740 And the first image is an aerial view looking down on the scene in the Dealey Plaza area in Dallas, the 22nd of November, 1963.

00:09:58.180 As you can see in this image, the motorcade comes down Main Street, takes a right angle turn onto Houston, and then a very tight 120 degree turn to roll down heading into the highway.

00:10:12.880 All of the things we're going to discuss start in that image as you follow the little white line right where that oblique angle takes place.

00:10:23.180 We end up going less than 10 miles an hour.

00:10:26.560 There is an enormous amount of information, a lot of it in Mr. Stone's book as well as others.

00:10:31.940 Why would you pick an area where you go that slow under a host of urban buildings that offer vantage points to an open vehicle topic for a different day?

00:10:42.600 But interesting, and there's a lot to speak of.

00:10:45.920 As the limo runs around the oblique 120 degree turn and starts to roll down towards the highway, there is an overpass there.

00:10:56.800 There is also the school book depository can be seen in the upper left of that image, and then there's a grassy area, the so-called grassy knoll.

00:11:07.280 We're going to be frequently referring to a gentleman named Zapruder, different pronunciations of that name, so I hope I'm not doing damage to the family pronunciation.

00:11:17.840 A gentleman named Zapruder, 58-year-old dress designer from Dallas, had a, at the time, state-of-the-art, 8-millimeter Zoomatic motion picture camera.

00:11:30.660 It's virtually a movie, a film recording of a president being shot.

00:11:38.140 It's essential that we mention this because his vantage point was on the grass as the limo came down that ramp that you can see and starts to pick up a little bit of speed, although for the whole event, never more than 10 to 11 miles an hour, rolling away from the school book depository.

00:11:56.660 And it's being filmed from the grassy knoll by Abraham Zapruder.

00:12:00.100 We could go to the next image, number two, please.

00:12:02.860 That will be, just to get people, again, to set this stage for how did this go down.

00:12:10.880 This is the limo coming off Main Street, turning left, or excuse me, turning right onto Houston, and it's not yet at that hairpin turn.

00:12:20.340 It's making its first 90-degree turn.

00:12:22.100 The importance of this image, when we go over both John Kennedy's neck wound, Conley's wounds, and the eventual fatal brain injury, the thing I'm trying to point out in this, it's a little tough to see, but if you look, you can see Jackie Kennedy on the driver's side of the car on the left, President Kennedy's to her right.

00:12:43.440 I want you to notice that Kennedy's are both higher than Governor Conley, who's sitting immediately in front of John Kennedy, Conley's wife sitting in front of Jackie, and of course, two Secret Service agents in the front.

00:12:57.200 But you'll notice that Jackie and John are higher than the Conleys.

00:13:02.860 This is intentional.

00:13:03.920 The limo was designed so that the president would always be elevated over any other individual in the car, almost a Roman times sort of scenario.

00:13:13.860 But that's why it looks, if they look higher, it's because they are.

00:13:17.480 Is that important?

00:13:18.580 It sure is when you look at the trajectories of the bullet wounds.

00:13:21.400 So I want people who are not so, you know, the younger person who's not so familiar with this historic event, where they sit is going to be important.

00:13:30.580 The car's open.

00:13:31.660 There was a bubble that could have been in place.

00:13:33.560 That bubble was mostly used for rain.

00:13:35.140 It wasn't bulletproof.

00:13:36.200 It wasn't bullet resistant.

00:13:37.800 It is true.

00:13:39.200 Firing through glass, that includes front windshields, just for the record.

00:13:44.040 Number one, slows a bullet down up to 400 feet per second, and it also refracts the bullet.

00:13:49.700 So when you shoot at a target through glass, even if it's not bullet resistant and it's not bulletproof, it does refract the shot.

00:13:58.480 And so it changes the angle of attack of the bullet, which can mitigate an actual hit.

00:14:03.860 So it may have made a difference, but on a sunny day, it was common to leave that open.

00:14:08.460 If we could go to the next image, three.

00:14:10.600 Number three is a very famous, if you're in the world of surgery and terminal ballistics, wound ballistics, analyzing bullet wounds.

00:14:21.100 And this is where physicians leave lawyers, leave physicists, because bullet wounds is the science of physics, a projectile traveling through space and impacting tissue.

00:14:35.220 Physics is absolutely predictable.

00:14:38.680 This will be very important when we talk about the trajectory of these bullets.

00:14:42.440 Was it one bullet?

00:14:43.440 Was it two bullets?

00:14:45.040 Physics is absolutely predictable.

00:14:47.260 They can tell you when an eclipse will be 100 years in advance within minutes, because that's physics.

00:14:54.500 Biology is not physics.

00:14:56.480 When a bullet strikes tissue, there's a lot of physics involved, but biology and physics interaction becomes very unpredictable.

00:15:06.300 The beauty of biology is its variability.

00:15:09.600 The terror of biology is its unpredictability.

00:15:13.660 That's why it's so difficult to treat diseases like breast cancer and so on, because nature always plays another card.

00:15:20.720 And so we have to mix physics with biology to understand bullet wounds.

00:15:24.740 Two important points before we get to the specific shooting of John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

00:15:29.900 We're going to go to a quick commercial break, and then we'll be back with Dr. Paul Maurer.

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00:18:17.100 So we're talking about the Kennedy assassination.

00:18:20.920 In 2013, I published my book, a New York Times bestseller, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ,

00:18:29.880 in which I made the case that Lyndon Baines Johnson was essentially at the helm of a plot that included the Central Intelligence Agency,

00:18:38.140 organized crime, Big Texas Oil, Secret Service, the banking interests, and perhaps others, all of whom had motive, means, and opportunity to kill John F. Kennedy.

00:18:51.680 Dr. Paul Maurer, a noted neurosurgeon who has studied the Kennedy assassination in granular detail,

00:19:00.800 but brings with him an expertise in gunshot wounds from his long and distinguished medical career,

00:19:08.200 has joined us today, and we'll return to him and my co-host, Troy Smith.

00:19:12.880 Now, Dr. Maurer, pardon me for that crass commercial interruption.

00:19:17.400 Thank you so much.

00:19:21.400 We were looking at image three, which is a picture from a very famous, the most famous bullet wound expert historically, I would say,

00:19:30.680 Martin Fackler, who actually was three doors down from me where his office was at Letterman Army Medical Center when I first finished my residency.

00:19:37.120 So it's a historic diagram.

00:19:39.480 The point I want to make, and it's very important when we look at the neck wound and the head wound,

00:19:44.580 basic wound ballistics from the neurosurgeon's perspective.

00:19:48.760 Let's just say, if we could go back to the prior, right there, we can hold, that's beautiful.

00:19:54.020 When a bullet hits you, let's just, for the sake of discussion, say this was a 6.5 Caracano, 6.5 millimeter round.

00:20:01.100 Not necessarily was.

00:20:02.760 Let's just use that as an example.

00:20:04.980 When that bullet hits, in fact, if you look at these, several of them are 7.62 Russian AK bullets.

00:20:11.360 When the bullet hits you, goes through your lung, you get on the chest, you're going to get a hole through the chest wall,

00:20:18.600 through the lung, involving any artery and veins that hits 6.5 millimeters in diameter.

00:20:24.340 That's a given.

00:20:25.460 That's called the permanent wound tract.

00:20:27.680 You get shot in the front of the neck with a 6.5 millimeter cartridge, you are going to get a 6.5 millimeter tract.

00:20:36.080 Just like an arrow, that tissue is gone.

00:20:39.380 With rifle bullets, not so much handguns, but with rifle bullets, kinetic energy,

00:20:45.360 for those of you out there that are mathematically inclined, which I'm specifically not,

00:20:50.140 kinetic energy, that moving projectile has energy in it.

00:20:54.480 Just like if you hit a 5-ball in billiard, you hit the 5-ball into the 3-ball.

00:20:59.780 What makes those billiard balls move is the motion and weight of the billiard ball.

00:21:06.360 Kinetic energy is mass, the weight of the billiard ball, times velocity squared.

00:21:11.800 So the amount of energy in the ball goes up exponentially as the speed of the ball moving increases.

00:21:21.200 Same is true with a driver in golf.

00:21:23.320 For those of you that play golf, they talk about club head speed.

00:21:27.600 As you swing that drive, energy transfer into the golf ball.

00:21:34.900 So the weight of the driver, the speed the driver's moving hits the golf ball.

00:21:40.760 That kinetic energy goes into the golf ball.

00:21:43.620 And the golf ball goes into the amount of energy to the chest.

00:21:51.060 It goes through the chest and deposits that energy.

00:21:54.600 As the bullet slows down, it sheds energy into the tissue.

00:21:59.500 You can see these diagrams.

00:22:01.960 The darker track is that's the size of the bullet.

00:22:04.900 That stuff is gone.

00:22:06.180 Kiss it goodbye.

00:22:07.800 But the tissue then stretches.

00:22:10.360 And the amount of stretch is called cavitation injury, stretch injury.

00:22:15.780 Liver.

00:22:16.480 You get shot in the liver, the liver explodes.

00:22:20.360 You get shot like John Connolly did in the lung. 0.95

00:22:25.140 The lung will expand.

00:22:26.600 Lung tissue is made to expand.

00:22:28.060 It'll damage tissue, but not as much as inelastic tissue.

00:22:32.500 The brain is encased in a box.

00:22:35.280 The brain is one of the few areas in the body it is locked up in a shoebox.

00:22:40.140 When a bullet penetrates the scalp, penetrates the skull, brain, the brain expands so rapidly,

00:22:48.400 it literally shatters the skull.

00:22:50.540 I had an Iraqi lieutenant colonel during the Gulf War who was shot at very close range in the side of his head by his own soldiers with an AK-40.

00:23:02.420 Push the plates of the skull fragments around.

00:23:06.560 The bullet gets in the brain.

00:23:08.040 The whole brain expands.

00:23:10.100 The body audio.

00:23:13.980 Could we go to the next image, please?

00:23:15.800 Image number four.

00:23:18.120 That is an image.

00:23:19.440 I know this is a little bit.

00:23:20.620 If we could go back, there's several sequences of that melon in this picture.

00:23:26.100 If it can go back one more, please. 0.90

00:23:32.360 I'm going to be too macabre, and I haven't had a lot of people volunteer for me to shoot them in the head, obviously.

00:23:38.020 So a reasonable surrogate, interestingly, not my idea. 0.59

00:23:41.960 It's been done many times before.

00:23:43.920 Melons kind of have a lot of similarity to a human head.

00:23:47.220 The outside layer is not as firm, but the inside is a somewhat aquatic, sort of gelatinous mix, a little less so than brain.

00:23:56.380 But the idea is the same.

00:23:57.860 So that's the front of the head.

00:24:00.220 Kennedy's head, when he was shot, when we see the Zapruder film, you'll see his head was chin down 20 degrees.

00:24:07.120 He was slumped into Jackie.

00:24:08.720 He had already been hit in the neck, and his head was rolled about 15 degrees left.

00:24:13.000 This is critically important.

00:24:14.480 Most people that discuss in a lawyerly fashion, his head would assume his head was slumped on a pole, but he did not.

00:24:23.280 He'd already been hit in the neck.

00:24:24.680 His head was chin down, left rolled, and slumped towards Jackie.

00:24:29.180 And so the impact from front or behind is a little different.

00:24:33.580 Now, if you go to the next image, so that's a mech fully intact, sitting on a post.

00:24:37.800 And if we go to the next, not number five, but then, yeah, there we go, is a shot intentionally that I put right in the tangential side from in front.

00:24:49.740 So I wanted to get off the forehead.

00:24:54.120 There was no description by any of the physicians of an entry wound in the forehead.

00:24:58.120 I wanted, and Kemp Clark, who was the neurosurgeon, the one and only neurosurgeon for sure, in Trauma Bay 1 at Parkland Hospital.

00:25:06.080 He described, he used the word.

00:25:07.380 But after all the research I did on this over the years, years ago, I finally found a note when I was at the Texas School Book Depository, and they were kind enough to let me review a lot of the data there.

00:25:18.360 And he had a tangential, Kemp Clark said, a tangential wound of the skull, meaning not straight through, but off at the side with the head turned and down and smack the side of that ball.

00:25:31.220 That is actually an entry wound.

00:25:33.340 In a human skull, that's called cratering or beveling.

00:25:36.000 Actually, in a melon, it's a little different because it's not bony consistency.

00:25:41.680 In a human, you have an outer hard skull, an inner, like an ice cream sandwich, an inner soft skull, and then an inner table of hard skull.

00:25:50.140 And when the bone hits human skull, makes a hole the size of the bullet, expands in between those layers, and you get what's called beveling.

00:25:58.800 In a melon, you get reverse beveling.

00:26:01.100 So for the very experienced, they'll say that looks like a little exit.

00:26:04.420 It's an entry wound.

00:26:05.120 Now, if you go one slide further, now, look what that did to that melon. 0.98

00:26:11.960 That's a .308 sniper round at 100 yards, a little further than even his headshot by about 10 meters or so, 10 yards.

00:26:21.540 The bullet enters on the right.

00:26:23.440 You can see how it exploded the whole wall of that lemon.

00:26:26.760 This is important when we look at the headshot, and you just go to the next one, and you'll see an exit wound on the back of the head.

00:26:33.720 Very typical.

00:26:34.840 That's what the exit wound looks like.

00:26:36.600 So it, but you can see how it virtually fractures the skull.

00:26:40.720 That fracture comes from the watermelon contents.

00:26:44.020 It can add energy and rapidly expanding, rapidly expanding.

00:26:49.240 That bullet had not tumbled at all.

00:26:52.160 All rifle bullets tumble.

00:26:54.300 Not some, not a few.

00:26:56.340 They all do.

00:26:57.000 It's a law of physics.

00:26:59.160 The unbalanced the round, the quicker it flips and drops its energy and tears a bigger hole.

00:27:04.820 The more balanced the bullet, the straighter they fly, and you get smaller exit wounds.

00:27:10.340 If we go to the next image, we're going to talk now.

00:27:13.860 We're going to take a walk through this Dealey Plaza shooting.

00:27:16.640 This is a picture, this is slide number five.

00:27:22.440 This is a picture from the Zapruder film.

00:27:25.180 This is an eight millimeter Bell and Howell zoomatic state-of-the-art image.

00:27:30.980 Redigitized, particularly in the late 70s for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, where they sort of redid the Warren Commission.

00:27:39.700 This is Kennedy.

00:27:41.240 After he'd been shot in the neck, his arms are already up at his neck.

00:27:45.140 And this is a pretty reasonable picture from those days, expanded and digitized.

00:27:51.020 Jackie Kennedy realizes he's been shot.

00:27:53.700 He's starting to slump towards Jackie.

00:27:56.200 Forgive the yellow dotted line, that's not me.

00:27:58.960 It's just to show that his head is fully intact at this point.

00:28:03.000 She has pivoted to the left side and almost in front.

00:28:06.140 You'll see the head is chin down, rolled to the left, and he's slumped to the left.

00:28:10.600 With regards to the neck wound, which is really one of the pivotal parts of this case, if you look at the Zapruder film, for those that are Troy's age, you don't know what typewriter ribbon is and you don't know what reel-to-reel film is.

00:28:28.220 But in the day, in that day, with a strip of film that had frames, each frame of the Zapruder film accounts for 0.055 seconds.

00:28:42.000 Let's call it 0.06.

00:28:44.020 So the Zapruder film allows very exact timing to count the frames.

00:28:53.400 Prior to that wound, where he's already starting to pivot down, he was on Dealey Plaza.

00:29:03.320 Zapruder was filming the front of the car coming towards him.

00:29:06.720 It would then go straight in front of him.

00:29:08.580 He picked up the car before it got behind a freeway sign, the Stemmons freeway sign, one of those big, green, and white-lettered freeway signs.

00:29:19.460 Frame 205, the 205th frame of his filming the president coming down Elm, coming down that ramp, ready to get on the highway.

00:29:30.020 205, frame 205, Kennedy is waving with his right hand.

00:29:33.760 The Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassination differed a little to the timing of the first hit.

00:29:43.460 The Warren Commission said, well, the first shot missed.

00:29:46.980 That shot was pulled.

00:29:49.400 I'm going to go from the standpoint of the Warren Commission Texas School Book Depository, but stick with me.

00:29:56.280 We're going to start with that is okay scenario one.

00:29:59.180 Does that make sense or does it not?

00:30:01.180 Then we're going to move through it.

00:30:02.620 And I think the next shot is the most pivotal part of this case.

00:30:07.720 The Warren Commission said Lee Harvey Oswald, or could it have been Mack Williams?

00:30:13.180 You know, as Mr. Stone said, there's no nitrate on Lee Harvey Oswald's face.

00:30:18.800 It's apparently pretty hard to wash off, even if you try.

00:30:21.920 He killed, allegedly, Officer Tippett.

00:30:24.280 He was actually arrested for killing a Dallas police officer about 30 minutes after the assassination.

00:30:29.320 And somehow he washed his face off.

00:30:31.060 Well, we don't know, but let's just say a shooter in the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository pulls that first shot.

00:30:38.600 That shooter would be sitting on the sixth floor looking down the barrel of his rifle.

00:30:44.360 Incidentally, he had iron sights to shoot with, and he had a four-power Japanese scope to shoot with.

00:30:50.620 That was an old-school World War II design.

00:30:53.740 Effective, you know?

00:30:54.960 Yeah.

00:30:55.200 Is it a brand-new Accuracy International sniper rifle?

00:30:58.580 No.

00:30:59.340 But I wouldn't want to be standing 100 yards away when somebody shot it at me.

00:31:03.000 It still worked.

00:31:03.740 It was not a landmark weapon, but it was a pretty established weapon, lesser known than the famous Mauser, but very similar.

00:31:11.700 So the shooter in the sixth school book depository, if, if, if we assume that's where one shot came from or more shots, had an option.

00:31:21.080 You could shoot with iron sights, old school.

00:31:23.580 Keep in mind, Lee Harvey Oswald trained in the Marine Corps.

00:31:26.180 Yeah, I know.

00:31:26.860 Everybody says, well, he was a poor shot.

00:31:28.480 He actually came out at about an average shooter.

00:31:30.980 But remember, an average shooter in the Marine Corps is usually vastly more trained than a lot of people in the military, and I'm saying that as a guy in the 101st Airborne Army.

00:31:39.600 But the Marine Corps are shooters.

00:31:41.440 They're not all expert, but they're, he's certainly familiar with weapons.

00:31:45.060 Doesn't mean he did it.

00:31:46.280 I'm just, when we go through the scenario, he could have used the iron sights to pull the shot.

00:31:51.460 He could have used the scope.

00:31:53.340 What's the difference?

00:31:54.400 The difference is he's got a magazine full of bullets.

00:31:58.680 He's got one round in the chamber.

00:32:01.120 Nobody would enter this to bolt.

00:32:02.720 You'd always start this engagement.

00:32:04.880 Anyone that shoots would start this engagement with one in the chamber, ready to go.

00:32:10.140 So as this car, as the limo rolls down the ramp, it gets lost to the Zapruder film at about frame 205.

00:32:19.060 Kennedy is waving his hand, seems to be normal.

00:32:22.520 The Warren Commission said totally normal.

00:32:24.980 In 19, late 1970s, the House, the Senate Committee on Assassination said, yeah, well, we think his hands suddenly stopped moving.

00:32:34.840 The point is he disappears behind the freeway sign.

00:32:38.060 So there is no, there's no image available for the exact moment of the neck hit.

00:32:42.940 The picture you're seeing is after he's emerged from behind that freeway sign, because as soon as the limo emerges, heading towards Zapruder's camera, when it comes out from behind the sign, it framed 225.

00:32:59.140 20 frames after it went black behind the sign, frame 225, he has his hands up to his neck, grasping the front of his throat with his arms up.

00:33:12.580 Now, is that neuromuscular reaction, or was that, if I shoot you in the arm, you're probably going to grab your arm, right?

00:33:19.460 It's a natural event.

00:33:20.640 That takes a little longer than I just had a 2,100 foot per second bullet go within a couple inches of my spinal cord.

00:33:30.320 That energy, we talked, the bullet smacks the skin, starts grooving through the muscles of the neck.

00:33:36.920 The entire back of your neck is muscle.

00:33:39.300 From your earlobe down, the entire back of the neck is muscle.

00:33:43.180 As that bullet grooves through that, the normal response is to start to go into an immediate reflexive reaction.

00:33:52.760 That takes about 1 25th of a second when you look at goats that are shot.

00:33:56.960 So why is that important?

00:34:00.320 Go ahead, sir.

00:34:02.080 Let me say a couple things.

00:34:03.840 This is fascinating.

00:34:05.600 There's a couple things that I'm curious about.

00:34:07.720 There is, of course, the Associated Press photo of a Dallas police officer clearly holding a gun, which is very clearly a Mauser in his hands, outside the Texas School Book Depository building.

00:34:20.480 As you know, I'm among those who believes that Malcolm Mack Wallace, who can clearly be connected to Lyndon Baines Johnson, is indeed the shooter.

00:34:30.320 A shooter, one shooter from the Texas School Book Depository building.

00:34:35.760 The significance of the bubble top is not whether it would slow or hinder a bullet or provide any protection.

00:34:42.880 The key thing to remember is it had just stopped raiding.

00:34:46.020 But it was Lyndon Baines Johnson who gave his aide, Bill Moyers, the order to tell the Secret Service to remove the bubble top.

00:34:54.080 Why would LBJ want that?

00:34:56.280 Because a clear shot at Kennedy's head from a sniper would be enhanced by the removal of the bubble top removed at the orders of LBJ.

00:35:07.700 Your Zaprudder analysis is excellent, but it's key to remember that I showed, proved in my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, that the Zaprudder film, which was seized by the government from Abraham Zaprudder, sent to Rochester, New York for processing, came back minus certain frames.

00:35:34.340 That's the version the government ultimately would allow to be made seen.

00:35:42.000 The only journalist who saw that prior to Time Magazine, not the government, but Time Magazine buying the film to lock it away for 50 years so no one could say it, was Dan Rather.

00:35:56.840 Rather, Rather says, strangely, yes, Kennedy, his head snapped swiftly forward as he was hit from behind, swiftly forward.

00:36:07.460 When, in fact, now, over history and over time, we have seen the film, and Kennedy's head snaps back and to the left, back and to the left, more consistent with at least one wound from the front.

00:36:27.660 Dr. Mauer, continue, until we have to go to commercial break, then we will jump in, and we'll return to you again.

00:36:36.100 Thank you for joining us on The Stone Zone.

00:36:38.340 Dr. Mauer, you have the floor.

00:36:42.360 Troy is young, but he's very smart, and I'm sure he's enjoying himself.

00:36:48.100 I, yes, as I think it was Reagan who said, I won't pick on him because of his young and inexperienced pain, as I recall.

00:36:56.400 It was a seminal moment in the debate.

00:36:58.880 I'm going to step back.

00:37:00.420 All of that understood fully.

00:37:02.720 I'm going to step back into the surgeon's box and say that my whole approach on this from my arena is who pulled that trigger isn't determined by how the bullets hit.

00:37:13.380 It is to try to determine where they came from.

00:37:17.080 Could it have been a 792-57 Mauser?

00:37:19.720 Absolutely.

00:37:21.460 And the frames on those are pretty similar.

00:37:24.020 It takes a fairly experienced soul, even in the shooting community, to separate those on an immediate visual inspection.

00:37:30.640 But I'm not trying to suggest, that's why I kept saying, was it 6.5?

00:37:34.400 Was it 792 Mauser?

00:37:35.900 Either way, the question, the real question to try to resolve from the ballistic surgical standpoint is, where did he get shot from?

00:37:43.800 The whys of who shot him and why, that's a whole different strategic stew to be dissected, which you have done such a legendary job of.

00:37:53.120 So I'll step back in the surgeon's box and say, when he took the shot in the neck and he emerges, frame 225, we can argue about the frames.

00:38:04.000 And there's certainly been this, you know, as they say, you dance with the partner you brought.

00:38:08.980 You don't dance with the partner you wish you had.

00:38:11.980 This is like a, this whole murder is like a jigsaw puzzle given to you with a thousand pieces, but they only gave you 500.

00:38:19.040 That is the reality of life.

00:38:20.760 So as a surgeon and a ballistics person, I know I don't have the whole puzzle.

00:38:25.680 Some of it's been taken by either incompetence, much of it taken away from you by intent.

00:38:31.980 And so I have to dance with the partner I have.

00:38:35.720 So the, he, the first definite hit, I mentioned for thoroughness, the Warren Commission said there was an initial shot that didn't hit anything.

00:38:44.880 How did he miss the whole car?

00:38:46.360 I could spend a lot of time as somebody who shoots a lot telling you, is it likely?

00:38:51.080 It's not likely.

00:38:51.980 Is it impossible?

00:38:53.140 It's not impossible.

00:38:53.940 If the bullet engages a barrier on the way, a tree branch, an umbrella on a light, did the, he didn't have a bipod or a sandbag.

00:39:02.040 Could the gun have rolled?

00:39:03.020 And then he rebolts and starts again.

00:39:04.880 It's all possible.

00:39:06.040 That's probably unlikely, but not impossible.

00:39:08.780 But I'm going to say, let's call shot one the hit in the neck.

00:39:12.200 Let's just call that shot one.

00:39:13.960 The first shot, if we go to one picture further, number six, it's going to be a autopsy illustration slash allegedly taken from a photo.

00:39:25.520 This is part of half the jigsaw puzzles gone.

00:39:29.440 There's just a lot missing here.

00:39:31.500 But I would say consistently from the autopsy people and the people in the room at the autopsy, and I'm going to say one other caveat here that's important, and this will sound like something only a neurosurgeon would say with hubris.

00:39:46.900 Having taken care of a few thousand people in an emergency department, there was one statement, well, the hole in the front of Kennedy's neck was six millimeters, and if this had been a 6.5 or a 7.92, it's not possible because the hole was too small.

00:40:03.180 No one's got a micrometer out in an emergency department.

00:40:06.140 Your job is to save the life if you can.

00:40:08.620 Having done this a lot, the forensic aspects in an emergency department are about a hundredth on the list of importance to the people there.

00:40:18.420 The person looking at that wound converted it quickly to a tracheostomy wound, which was absolutely normal to do in that day.

00:40:26.140 Nasal tracheal intubation that would be done now or oral tracheal intubation where you put the tube through the nose or the mouth was not as common.

00:40:32.900 And so a trach is a great way to get air into somebody.

00:40:36.440 The first duty of an emergency resuscitation is airway.

00:40:39.680 So that hole was visualized by many people.

00:40:43.320 Everybody in every book I can find says, yep, it was just a little small hole, looked like an entry wound.

00:40:49.480 It's right in the middle of the fourth tracheal ring, just, you know, about here, below your Adam's apple, below your larynx.

00:40:57.600 It's a totally sensible place to extend the incision, put a breathing tube down and get air into him.

00:41:04.600 I might add, just parenthetically, because I'm compelled to, when you read lawyerly accounts, I'm not picking on lawyers out there at all.

00:41:12.660 You know, it's one thing to sit in a room with a bunch of paper for 26 hours and decide what happened in seconds, both in the emergency department and on the scene.

00:41:23.000 The skin is elastic, and so it does have elastic recoil.

00:41:28.900 Having taken care of lots of gunshot wounds, the hole often is somewhat smaller than the caliber of the bullet because the skin expands from the kinetic energy as the bullet burrows through and snaps back.

00:41:41.040 So, that hole, if it was six millimeters, and who knows, because I'm sure, I hope no one was measuring that and wasting that time in the emergency department, it still can see, it could be anything from a six millimeter to an eight or nine millimeter cartridge or something in that order.

00:41:57.680 But that, in and of itself, is not evidence that you would hang your hat on.

00:42:03.440 Now, was it an entry wound?

00:42:05.980 Well, I think that's the key to this when you size this up with the Warren Commission report on John Conley.

00:42:12.920 You'll remember in the limo, John Conley is sitting in front and somewhat below John Kennedy.

00:42:19.080 The shot rings out.

00:42:21.300 Two important points to me.

00:42:23.220 I normally don't like to go too much from a surgical ballistic standpoint on, oh, so-and-so thought they heard this or heard that or so-and-so said that.

00:42:34.460 Everyone in law enforcement will tell you witness expertise is sometimes a little shaky, not intentionally.

00:42:41.740 It's just it happens so fast.

00:42:43.320 But it is interesting to me that Conley very much stuck to the story for almost his whole life.

00:42:52.420 He'd waver a little bit, but not much.

00:42:54.560 He said, I never, I heard a shot.

00:42:56.820 I started to turn to look at Kennedy, but I didn't feel anything.

00:43:01.980 Now, remember, speed of sound is 1140 feet per second.

00:43:07.280 So wherever that shot came from, whoever pulled that trigger, that sound is going at 1140 feet per second.

00:43:15.780 The bullet is going at 2100 feet per second, maybe even a little faster.

00:43:22.400 When you get shot by a sniper rifle, you don't hear the shot because the bullet impacts you before the sound.

00:43:31.560 So to me, that's just interesting testimony.

00:43:33.980 I turned to look at the president because I knew the sound.

00:43:39.640 Kennedy, or Conley was a Korean War vet in the military.

00:43:42.960 He was an active hunter.

00:43:44.360 He knew when that bullet leaves the barrel, that bullet is supersonic.

00:43:48.640 It's over 1140 feet per second, and it makes a distinctive snap.

00:43:54.040 And he said, I know that sound.

00:43:56.020 It wasn't a backfire.

00:43:57.280 I turned to look at the president, and as I turned, his arms were up.

00:44:01.800 So Kennedy had been hit.

00:44:03.960 Here's the point.

00:44:05.620 That bullet, after going through, say, seven inches of soft tissue, no cervical spine injury,

00:44:12.420 it certainly slows as it hits tissue.

00:44:14.860 It probably, it should start to wobble.

00:44:17.900 But that bullet may well not flip in seven inches.

00:44:21.680 You saw from our ballistics diagram, when all bullets flip, not some, all,

00:44:27.040 when a rifle bullet, because they're gyroscopically, when they're somewhat unbaled.

00:44:32.940 Dr. Mauer, I'm sorry.

00:44:35.560 I have to interrupt you.

00:44:38.000 When we come back, the question I'd like you to ask is, quite simply,

00:44:42.500 do you think it is likely that the tracheotomy that you point out was performed for the purpose

00:44:48.700 of obscuring whether the throat wound was from the front, as you seem to believe,

00:44:54.520 or from the rear, as the Warren Commission would have us believe.

00:44:58.660 We're going to go to a quick commercial break, and then we'll be back with Dr. Paul Mauer.

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00:47:12.140 Welcome back.

00:47:25.260 I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you're here in the Stone Zone.

00:47:28.140 We love discussion of the 1963 assassination of President John Kennedy because, well, the

00:47:36.460 American people deserve to know more.

00:47:38.600 I believe that that marks the beginning of the deep state, call them the military-industrial

00:47:44.820 complex, if you will, as President Eisenhower did.

00:47:48.360 That marks the beginning of the control of an unelected ruling elite that controls both

00:47:55.420 parties and has essentially controlled the federal government since then, until Donald

00:48:02.640 J. Trump came along, which is why they are so deeply committed to his destruction.

00:48:07.620 With us today is noted neurosurgeon Paul Maurer, who has served his country and is particularly

00:48:18.560 an expert in bullet shot wounds.

00:48:21.520 We don't have much time left, Dr. Maurer, so we're going to have to bring you back for

00:48:27.160 a second show to finish.

00:48:28.420 But I'm going to turn over the time we have left, and then we will, at some point, I will

00:48:34.600 have to interrupt you and end the show.

00:48:39.440 Troy, I hope you're learning something.

00:48:41.000 Dr. Maurer is making an extraordinary presentation that include a medical aspect, a neurosurgical

00:48:49.560 aspect that I could never bring to this debate.

00:48:53.240 Dr. Maurer, continue.

00:48:55.980 Thank you, sir.

00:48:56.880 To answer the question just before the break, Harry Summers, a very famous book called On

00:49:02.880 Strategy for the Military, said, all things being equal, the simplest plan is the best

00:49:08.280 plan.

00:49:09.200 So I have no way of knowing whether his bullet wound in the front of his trachea, whether

00:49:16.400 that was enlarged to a tracheostomy for malicious reasons.

00:49:20.840 But I would only say this, and it takes nothing away from where I end up.

00:49:25.140 I end up at the same place on my thinking of that wound.

00:49:28.700 If I was in the emergency department, and he came in, and you're trying to get an airway,

00:49:34.360 first thing, job one, and I've got a hole in the front of the trache, the quickest way

00:49:38.880 to get an airway in him is going to be to open it and put a trache, put a tube in.

00:49:43.460 So all I'm saying, it doesn't exclude the possibility of that being done for partially

00:49:48.960 malicious reasons.

00:49:49.760 I'm just saying that would be an absolutely normal thing to do in that situation.

00:49:54.720 Now let's go further.

00:49:56.120 Let's go further.

00:49:57.460 Okay.

00:49:58.320 Interestingly, after the Jackie Kennedy, as many of you know, was in the trauma bay.

00:50:03.220 That's something that I can't even imagine having a family in that room, but it's a

00:50:08.160 president's wife. 0.96

00:50:08.960 What are you going to do?

00:50:10.340 So Bob Grossman, there's some discussion about how active he was or not in the room.

00:50:14.600 Bob Grossman, there was two neurosurgeons there that day for a head wound, two.

00:50:18.440 William Kemp Clark, very famous guy, and Bob Grossman, also famous guy.

00:50:23.680 And I had dinner with Bob Grossman a number of years ago.

00:50:26.440 He certainly was in the room, in the ER.

00:50:28.780 He didn't sound like he had a huge role, but he confirmed what all the other people in

00:50:34.820 that room said.

00:50:35.500 They never rolled Kennedy up to look at his back.

00:50:38.400 Nobody knew he had a wound of some kind by his shoulder blade, his scapula.

00:50:42.880 Nobody knew that because they didn't roll him up.

00:50:44.980 Why wouldn't you roll him up?

00:50:46.280 Because he was dead.

00:50:48.160 President's wife's there. 1.00

00:50:49.860 Everybody's there.

00:50:50.540 There's 30 people in this room.

00:50:52.000 Everybody thought he's dead.

00:50:53.480 We're not doing a forensic exam here.

00:50:55.120 We don't need a law.

00:50:56.380 So they thought it looked like an entry wound, and indeed it does.

00:51:00.780 It's everybody described it as an absolutely clean hole, whether he enlarged it or not.

00:51:06.080 The hole in the trach is a spherical hole that they enlarged a little.

00:51:10.240 The skin incision's bigger, but there clearly was a roughly six-ish millimeter hole.

00:51:14.760 Well, where'd that bullet go?

00:51:16.560 Right?

00:51:16.860 Where'd that bullet go?

00:51:17.960 Thing is moving at 2,100 feet per second.

00:51:21.700 Let's just go with the Warren Commission for a second.

00:51:23.700 They say the bullet entered just above his shoulder blade, just above his scapula.

00:51:28.920 If we could go to the—you have the image, the illustration slash picture, which is one

00:51:33.820 of the many problems with the Warren Commission.

00:51:36.160 Beautiful.

00:51:37.000 Where the arrow is, is a spherical—looks just like an entry hole.

00:51:40.620 I'll grant you that.

00:51:41.660 It's right above the edge of the shoulder blade.

00:51:43.240 The problem for me, and the problem for both the Warren Commission and the HSCA in the late

00:51:49.340 70s was that bullet is about T3, and the way they describe it at the School Book Depository,

00:51:56.160 this is coming at a 17-degree down angle into Kennedy's back.

00:52:01.540 Well, then somehow the bullet exits, at least on a flat plane, maybe even up a little bit.

00:52:07.760 Now, we have to remember, lawyers always look at this as though the body is locked in position.

00:52:13.540 It's not.

00:52:14.540 So if he was leaning a little forward, whatever, for whatever reason,

00:52:18.940 could you get that scapula round to exit the fourth ring of his trach?

00:52:23.980 You could, but since the shot would have been 17-degree down angle,

00:52:28.900 I would not have expected the bullet to exit as high as it did.

00:52:33.280 It's almost a flat shot when the shot couldn't have been flat.

00:52:36.680 Then the bullet is described as the single CE-399 magic bullet, if you will,

00:52:44.020 whatever one wants to call it.

00:52:45.360 I'm not trying to denigrate the theory.

00:52:47.140 I'm walking through it to tell you how I end up with the neck wound.

00:52:50.460 Then this bullet flattened, came out his trach, and dropped down to get into Conley's chest,

00:52:58.620 in between the sixth rib, through the lung, out the front of the chest, through the wrist,

00:53:02.960 and into his leg.

00:53:04.380 Can a bullet penetrate that much tissue?

00:53:07.240 An extremely stable, non-wobbling bullet that keeps nose on flight.

00:53:13.140 That's described and proven.

00:53:14.720 I mean, you can put bullets through 25 inches of gelatin.

00:53:17.960 They never flip.

00:53:19.640 But for that bullet to change direction a little bit, which bullets can do,

00:53:25.280 you can get hit by the pelvis and end up with the bullet in the lung.

00:53:28.400 I've seen that in patients I've taken care of that had simultaneous wounds of the head.

00:53:33.020 But it has to hit a barrier.

00:53:34.920 In other words, the bullet doesn't just change direction for no reason.

00:53:38.180 It didn't hit Kennedy's cervical spine.

00:53:40.440 And if the bullet changes direction, here's a key point.

00:53:43.400 Key point.

00:53:44.340 That always starts to flip the bullet into its yaw.

00:53:48.040 It always will stop the nose forward flight and start to flip the bullet.

00:53:53.600 Now you're getting lots of energy stretch, and the bullet's not going to penetrate as far.

00:53:58.720 So I have a—it's not impossible.

00:54:02.620 Somebody that says, oh, it's impossible, it's not impossible that that bullet did all that.

00:54:07.380 I think it's unlikely.

00:54:08.840 What about—so if we say, let's just get a clean slate here and say Kennedy's first shot,

00:54:14.180 the entry wound was in his trach, and the bullet came out where that scapula wound is.

00:54:20.100 Yeah, but isn't the bullet in the back an entry wound too?

00:54:23.140 We saw from our diagrams 25 minutes ago, some bullets are very stable.

00:54:28.520 If they don't hit bone, they'll go nose first, straight on through.

00:54:32.800 And so the exit wound doesn't have to look very different than the entry wound in this type of tissue.

00:54:40.300 This isn't tissue. This isn't liver. This isn't brain that explodes.

00:54:44.960 This is muscle and skin.

00:54:47.180 So this is—there would be nothing wow about,

00:54:51.200 could this have gone in the front of the trach and out the scapula?

00:54:54.440 Here's the key.

00:54:55.800 If somebody was shooting from in front at a slight down angle,

00:54:59.640 that's exactly what you'd get.

00:55:02.580 You don't have to make up a trajectory.

00:55:05.260 You don't have to explain, how did this thing go?

00:55:07.740 It came down at 17 degrees, flattened out, then it went down again.

00:55:12.220 You get rid of all of that.

00:55:14.080 I'm not saying that's impossible.

00:55:15.840 I'm saying, when you think about it,

00:55:18.000 if somebody shot him from in front, from a slight up angle,

00:55:22.040 it would go out exactly where that hole is.

00:55:25.200 Now, where'd that bullet go?

00:55:26.560 Well, it's one of the many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that's gone.

00:55:31.080 Because that bullet, if it left nose on,

00:55:34.820 that bullet was still going 1,500 feet a second.

00:55:37.860 Recently, a Secret Service agent said he found a bullet in the backseat of the car.

00:55:42.980 You know, I don't know.

00:55:43.860 He just said that just came out a number of months ago.

00:55:46.180 But that might make sense, actually, right?

00:55:48.360 So if that was, the neck wound strikes me, is more likely a front hit than a posterior hit.

00:55:59.460 Now, we have to now account for shooting Conley, right?

00:56:04.040 So let's, could it have been a posterior, a backward shot that got JFK?

00:56:08.860 Sure.

00:56:09.420 But when that bullet came out as straight, where'd it go?

00:56:12.000 They did find a bullet by the side of the right,

00:56:14.040 the driver's seat sort of fragmented and deformed.

00:56:17.940 But that's flying through this car at 1,500 feet a second.

00:56:21.100 It's possible.

00:56:22.400 But then we still can't account for Conley.

00:56:24.760 And I think the Conley trajectory is possible but unlikely.

00:56:29.340 I think a front shot actually meets this criteria pretty nicely.

00:56:35.640 It also, the timing's always brought up.

00:56:38.560 Well, it had to be one bullet because the next thing you know,

00:56:42.520 there's a head shot in the time frame so tight that the only way that could have been done

00:56:49.660 with a bolt gun, iron sight or scope, is if you have, they had to manufacture a sufficient

00:56:56.100 span of time, seven-ish seconds.

00:56:58.720 It also, if we have a front shot, the other thing that's never mentioned, anybody who's

00:57:03.480 done any long gun training, they always communicate with each other.

00:57:06.880 You don't put two or three snipers out and say, you just shoot whenever you feel like it.

00:57:09.940 Just have a free-for-all, right?

00:57:11.660 There's always, nowadays, it'd be a radio.

00:57:14.000 So you'd count down, five, four, three, two, on this T of two, shoot.

00:57:18.400 In those days, the indicator probably would be, when you hear a shot, it's go time.

00:57:24.260 And interestingly-

00:57:24.660 Dr.

00:57:26.860 Dr.

00:57:27.520 Maurer, you have obviously, if you conclude that there's a shot from the front, you have

00:57:34.240 destroyed the entire Warren Commission thesis, which is based on one person, one shooter,

00:57:41.900 all from the rear.

00:57:44.200 You make an excellent, excellent point.

00:57:49.900 And it is key to point out, of course, that Connolly dies with a bullet in his wrist, which

00:57:56.920 he never allows to be removed.

00:57:58.840 Could that have been the bullet, the official Warren claim, which you've just proven today,

00:58:05.580 the single bullet theory, conjured up by Arlen Specter when a fourth bullet, unfortunately,

00:58:11.460 hit the curb next to a car salesman, James Tate, who became a good friend of mine, and had to

00:58:21.300 come up with this theory that one bullet had wounded both Kennedy and Connolly.

00:58:26.880 Unfortunately, we are out of time.

00:58:29.580 I know you have a lot more to your presentation.

00:58:32.560 So I ask you to come back and join us on a second show here on the Stone Zone.

00:58:39.240 Today, if you're just tuning in, folks, Paul Maurer, a very respected neurosurgeon, has

00:58:45.500 essentially destroyed the Warren Commission conclusion of one shooter shooting from behind

00:58:53.060 with a detailed analysis of a tracheal wound, which he focused on today, which I believe

00:59:00.500 he made a case, is most likely a shot based on his vast knowledge of gunshot wounds and

00:59:08.380 his expertise, an entry wound from the front.

00:59:11.780 That's been the significance of why I wanted him on.

00:59:15.020 Folks, you can get my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, New York Times

00:59:21.520 bestseller, by going to themanwhokilledkennedy.com.

00:59:28.100 There's the book cover.

00:59:29.480 There is where you get it, themanwhokilledkennedy.com.

00:59:33.820 Dr. Maurer, I want to thank you for joining us in the Stone Zone.

00:59:38.560 And we'll come back and schedule round two with Dr. Paul Maurer.

00:59:44.320 And then the key will be on the Zapruder film.

00:59:49.460 Key point, John Connolly doesn't react with any grimace or anything for 25 frames after it's

00:59:57.220 through Kennedy's neck.

00:59:58.600 That bullet's been 50.

00:59:59.980 I can't wait, and I'm certain that Troy cannot wait.

01:00:03.240 We look forward to seeing you again.

01:00:04.960 Until tomorrow, God bless you.

01:00:07.040 And Godspeed.

01:00:07.900 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and

01:00:15.180 people love him.

01:00:17.120 Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.

01:00:19.580 Roger Stone.

01:00:20.640 Where's Roger Stone?

01:00:21.740 And he zerores.

01:00:35.740 I'm going to have the chance to enjoy as soon as we take it.

01:00:39.720 I'll see you soon.

01:00:40.980 Michael up next time.

01:00:42.280 Michael up next time.

01:00:45.140 Thank you.

01:00:46.080 We're seeing now some of those new things.

01:00:48.340 plataone live.

01:00:48.840 Danke.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 09, 2024

JFK Murder Re-Examined. Shot From Front And Back = Conspiracy! The StoneZONE w⧸ Roger Stone

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