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00:31:37.840Nick, what's amazing about this book is, you say right up front, you did no new and original research.
00:31:44.840All you did was go through all of the authoritative reporting that has been done by authors like Jim Haugen and the late Len Kaladny, who was a good friend of mine, Phil Stanford, many others.
00:31:59.280And you have pulled it all together in a very concise, understandable way.
00:32:26.700You're not a fan of Richard Nixon by any means, but what we have here is the unvarnished truth that Richard Nixon was taken down in a coup, and that the real villain, if you have to name the foremost villain of the entire Watergate drama, well, that would have to be General Alexander Haig.
00:32:48.280Nick, tell us about this amazing book.
00:32:51.060Well, I have read all the Watergate books over the years.
00:32:56.320I've been fascinated by Watergate because at the heart of Watergate is a CIA honey trap.
00:33:01.880And I've written two books about CIA honey traps.
00:33:04.840And that's what really piqued my interest with Watergate.
00:33:08.880And as I dug deeper and deeper and deeper into Watergate, the cover story just disintegrated.
00:33:15.820The cover story for Watergate is mind-boggling.
00:33:19.140It even – even the laws – it contravenes the laws of physics.
00:33:27.380And yet it stands as the unvarnished truth.
00:33:31.880And Alexander Haig was Nixon's chief of staff.
00:33:34.980And a lot of people who are Republicans look up to Alexander Haig as someone who was there.
00:33:40.160And actually, he's been portrayed as a hero who might have – Richard Nixon was supposedly this unhinged president on drugs and drinking, and he was going to nuke somebody.
00:33:52.100But not that – but not with Alexander Haig.
00:33:54.640Alexander Haig came along and saved the day.
00:33:58.140Well, that is the story that Alexander Haig gave Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward.
00:34:20.960There are so many things in Watergate that amazes me that the mainstream media has whiffed on.
00:34:25.600But to put Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein on the Mount Rushmore of journalism is really a sad commentary on journalism.
00:34:35.640Because as I show in my book, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein tell a lot of lies.
00:34:43.180And they lie when they don't even need to lie.
00:34:46.700And I wanted to determine whether that was serial lying or pathological lying.
00:34:51.780So I googled serial lying, and it came back as pathological lying.
00:34:56.460So I guess I'd have to conclude at this point that Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein are pathological liars.
00:35:04.540Yeah, there's so much in this book that I had even forgotten.
00:35:09.640The fact, for example, that Jeb Stuart Magruder, who I believe is the man who approved the funding for the Watergate break-in and other dirty tricks,
00:35:20.720actually admitted to Len Kolodny, the author of Silent Coup, that John Mitchell never approved the Watergate break-in.
00:35:29.320In fact, he rejected it numerous times.
00:35:32.220On his deathbed, of course, Magruder would change his tune entirely, claiming that Nixon knew in advance about the Watergate break-in,
00:35:40.520which, of course, there is no evidence to support that whatsoever.
00:35:45.280I grabbed a Garrett Graff's book, just to look quickly in the index.
00:36:03.240It's amazing that the Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs, were actually actively spying on President Richard Nixon because they distrusted his movements for detente.
00:36:15.620They were opposed to a strategic arms limitation with the Soviets.
00:36:18.880They were opposed to ending the war in Vietnam on the expedited schedule that Nixon and Kissinger favored.
00:36:27.780They also were opposed to his overtures to China, which, at the time, they were taken in out of the cold.
00:36:38.480China was a backwards, dirt-poor, agrarian society with no technology.
00:36:43.940The people today who blame Nixon for essentially giving the Chinese government its legitimacy, he had no way of looking 30 years down the road to see that the Bushes would give the Chinese most favored nation trading status,
00:37:01.560and the Clintons would sell them some of our most top military secrets, including missile-targeting secrets in return for illegal campaign contributions.
00:37:12.960It is those acts that really make China the powerhouse that it is today.
00:37:30.380Not everybody involved in the Watergate break-in was involved for the same purposes.
00:37:35.600We now know, thanks to recently declassified documents, that without any question, the Central Intelligence Agency knew in advance about the break-in,
00:37:46.400and they infiltrated the Watergate break-in team, the burglar team, with numerous CIA assets, some of whom were even still on the CIA payroll.
00:37:58.080For my book on Watergate, I interviewed 91-year-old Eugenie Martinez, who still lives in Miami and is in extraordinarily good health for his age.
00:38:12.720You really, I think, lay bare the CIA's knowledge and involvement here.
00:38:18.640The idea that James McCord and E. Howard Hunt, both veteran CIA operatives, that they didn't know each other, well, that's absurd.
00:38:31.360The Maura Radford spy ring that was perpetrated by the Joint Chiefs is really an important part of this story because it shows that the Hawks in the Pentagon didn't trust Nixon
00:38:43.940and that they actually put together a spy ring, an espionage ring, against Nixon.
00:38:49.640And when Len Kolodny—unfortunately, this book got published after Len Kolodny's death, but I was talking to him when I was writing it.
00:38:58.080And he said, did you include the Maura Radford affair?
00:39:02.600And then he knew that I was on the right track.
00:39:06.340And the thing is, once the Nixon administration outed the Joint Chiefs hijinks,
00:39:13.380then it was the CIA that started infiltrating the Nixon administration.
00:39:19.340McCord and Hunt infiltrated Butterfield, Alexander Butterfield, who would eventually spill the goods on Nixon's taping system.
00:39:28.380He also infiltrated the—and we don't know how many people, how many CIA people infiltrated the Nixon administration.
00:39:36.880But the—and when you're looking at Watergate from a different perspective, Jaworski, the special prosecutor, he also had ties to the CIA.
00:39:52.660So you've got a lot of people—Leon Jaworski—so you've got a lot of people involved in Watergate that have these CIA ties.
00:40:00.260And Ben Bradley at The Washington Post also had CIA ties.
00:40:06.000Now, he adamantly denied it, and Jaworski adamantly denied it, but they were both lying.
00:40:10.660And what I'm saying in my book is, why would these guys lie about having former CIA ties?
00:40:20.260The primary reason that I can think of is the reason why they lied is because they still had CIA ties.
00:40:29.380And if they were outed as being CIA assets or working for the CIA, then that would have brought the whole Watergate cover story into question by the American people.
00:40:39.840So these lies by not only Woodward and Bernstein and Alexander Haag, but Leon Jaworski and Ben Bradley, there are a lot of people telling a lot of lies.
00:40:51.480And John Dean was the hero of Watergate because he supposedly saw the moral turpitude in the Nixon administration, and he decided to blow the whistle.
00:41:09.140He wrote a book called Blind Ambition about his experience with Watergate, and he wrote it with an esteemed historian.
00:41:16.020And when his book didn't align with his various testimonies before the Watergate committee and also in the trial of Mitchell, Halderman, and Ehrlichman, he said that this esteemed historian made up his story out of whole cloth.
00:41:35.960These are the kind of lies that John Dean tells.
00:41:39.420And one lie that I think is really pertinent, Maureen Dean had a connection to Heidi Reichen, who ran an escort service that was hooked up to the Democratic National Committee.
00:41:53.820And if you were a Democratic big shot, you go to the sixth floor of the Watergate, and a woman named Maxie Wells, the secretary of Maxie Wells, would show you a list of prostitutes, and you would choose the prostitute that you liked, and they would
00:42:09.420be at the Columbia Plaza, which was a block away from the Watergate.
00:42:13.120And once you went into that brothel of Heidi Reichen's, it was a CIA honey trap.
00:42:18.680There were cameras, and ultimately, that individual would be compromised.
00:42:24.220Now, according to John Dean and also Maureen Dean, they met in Los Angeles when John Dean was on business.
00:42:32.100And people like Liddy had accused Maureen Dean of being a prostitute, and that never made sense to me because he immediately moved in with John Dean.
00:42:44.960According to their cover story, John Dean met her in L.A., and then they had a whirlwind romance, and then she immediately moved in with John Dean.
00:42:53.580And why would she have to be a prostitute?
00:42:56.260She's working for—she's basically the girlfriend and then the wife of John Dean, who's consul of the president, who's making a lot of money, who's from an affluent family.
00:43:07.280But I found a passage in the Washington Post that they met actually in Washington, D.C.
00:43:14.340Now, that really changes the perspective of John and Maureen Dean.
00:43:19.300If they met in Washington, D.C., you can throw out that timeline, and also you can throw out the idea that she was never a prostitute.
00:43:31.180Interestingly enough, just to follow up on that same line of reasoning, when Eugenio Martinez, one of the Watergate burglars, was arrested,
00:43:40.800he attempted to swallow a key that he had, which opened the draw where the portfolio of call girls available to D.N.C. dignitaries was available.
00:44:06.080Now, we know that Jack Caulfield and Tony Ulasiewicz, two former New York City police officers who essentially worked first for John Ehrlichman as investigators for the White House Counsel's Office,
00:44:19.140but were inherited by John Dean, both say in their oral histories that John Dean sent them to the Watergate to case the joint many weeks before the break-in.
00:44:29.960This would indicate that John Dean is the man who not only conceived of the Watergate break-in, but who pushed relentlessly for the funding of it,
00:44:40.900then lied to Nixon for 19 straight months, insisting that no one in the White House was aware of this operation,
00:44:50.460when he knew that some of the bugging reports had been sent to Gordon Straughn, an aide to H.R. Bob Haldeman.
00:44:59.140In Dean's book, The Nixon Defense, which he claims is the definitive printout of all of the Watergate transcripts,
00:45:10.040he conveniently leaves out conversations between he and Nixon in March of 1973,
00:45:18.200in which he's not only coaching Nixon about how to commit perjury, but lying to him repeatedly.
00:45:24.140Now, as you know, Nick, John Dean has been very litigious.
00:45:30.700He sued Len Kolodny and Robert Getline for their book, Silent Coup.
00:45:37.920He threatened to sue James Rosen for his amazing book, The Strongman, a biography of John Mitchell.
00:45:46.140I tried to get him to sue me over my book, Nixon's Secrets, The Truth About Watergate, the cover-up and the pardon.
00:47:54.300Now, with Woodward and Bernstein, I didn't know whether they were serial liars or pathological liars.
00:48:01.380With John Dean, I don't know whether he's a psychopath or a sociopath.
00:48:07.860I should talk to a psychiatrist to delineate that.
00:48:11.520But what he did throughout Watergate, John Mitchell was the attorney general, and he had immense respect in the Nixon administration.
00:48:20.560Nixon and John Mitchell had been partners in a law firm in New York City.
00:48:26.520And John Mitchell was a very, very prominent individual in law circles and also within the Nixon administration.
00:48:36.960And what John Dean was doing was he was proposing cover-ups and various types of malfeasance to Ehrlichman and Halderman, the number two and number three guys in Nixon's administration.
00:48:53.520Halderman was the chief of staff and Ehrlichman was the domestic czar.
00:48:58.600And he was proposing these things and saying John Mitchell said that we have to do this, like John Mitchell suggested that we use the CIA to cover up Watergate.
00:50:14.080First of all, I think, by and large, Deep Throat is a composite of multiple sources.
00:50:19.800But the leading source, and I think Ray Locker laid this out brilliantly in his book, Haig's Coup, it appears to me that General Alexander Haig is Deep Throat.
00:50:31.020It is absolutely clear that Haig believes his job is, A, to protect himself, because he was deeply involved in the illegal wiretaps in 1969 at the very beginning of the Nixon administration, driven by Henry Kissinger, who was livid about the Pentagon Papers release.
00:50:51.420Nixon's initial reaction to the Pentagon Papers release was, well, all this is is damning for Lyndon Johnson and John F. Kennedy.
00:50:59.780There's no reflection on the policies of this administration to end the war.
00:51:05.000But it was Kissinger who insisted, no, Mr. President, you can't conduct foreign policy under these circumstances.
00:51:12.320That led to the illegal wiretaps of journalists, government officials, White House staff members.
00:51:20.180And there's no question that Haig was deeply involved and had knowledge of those wiretaps, something he was always able to keep out of the public eye.
00:51:32.320I mean, Deep Throat is a composite, but the most damaging information definitely came from Alexander Haig.
00:51:40.320The most damaging information was the tapes, what was on the tapes.
00:51:45.540And Mark Felt was the number two man in the FBI, but he was fired in May or June of 1973.
00:51:53.780And the most damaging information that came from Deep Throat was in November of 1973.
00:52:02.320And Bob Woodward said that his communication with Deep Throat was that he would move the pot, the flower pot on his balcony.
00:52:10.040And because Felt had been fired, he was living in Virginia.
00:52:16.400So Woodward wants us to believe that Felt was driving into Washington, D.C. every day and looking at Woodward's balcony for the flower pot that moved.
00:52:27.300And to actually see Woodward's balcony, you had to go down an alley and get out of your car and then walk about 50 feet and look straight up.
00:52:39.020So Woodward is telling us that Mark Felt drove to Washington, D.C. from Virginia every day, went down an alley, walked 50 feet and looked straight up.
00:52:52.580So Woodward definitely went a bridge too far when he named Mark Felt as the sole source of Watergate.
00:53:03.000And then their communication was also where Felt would, on a certain page of The New York Times, felt ostensibly put down a time, a clock, that delineated a time that they would meet.
00:53:20.200Those newspapers, all the newspapers were just thrown in a pile.
00:53:24.800Woodward's New York Times wasn't delivered to him at his door.
00:53:28.600He had to go to this pile of newspapers and dig through and find a copy of The New York Times.
00:53:36.020So that, again, disintegrates the cover story of Bob Woodward.
00:53:40.740And hopefully, at this point, we can start getting some truth about Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein.
00:53:49.420It is amazing the extent to which everyone just accepts as a fact that former FBI official Mark Felt was deep throat.
00:53:57.120By the time Woodward said that, and by the time that Felt's family confirmed it, because Felt had been felled by a stroke, could no longer speak, and had severe financial problems, I think Felt was convenient for Woodward and Bernstein.
00:54:15.120There were more and more questions about their book, their conclusions, and their assertion regarding deep throat, and I think he was a fall guy.
00:54:26.980The timing, as you point out, doesn't work.
00:54:29.600He would not have been in the loop, information-wise, at the time that he allegedly was deep throat.
00:54:37.640Folks, if you want to know more about John Dean, I have a website up.
00:54:40.920It's called watergateweasel.com, watergateweasel.com.
00:54:44.120I have listed, I think, 12 or 14 questions that John Dean will never answer, questions that he should answer, questions that I think would prove, the answers to which would prove that he was the man who planned, pushed, covered up, and then lied about Watergate.
00:55:01.800The federal prosecutors knew that there were substantial contradictions between his testimony before the grand jury, his interviews with the federal prosecutors, and his testimony before the Senate Watergate Committee.
00:55:17.840But it didn't matter, because the idea was to get Nixon.
00:55:22.340As Tucker Carlson recently pointed out, Nixon went from being one of the most popular presidents in the country, with a 49-state sweep and a landslide, to being removed from office about a year and a half later.
00:55:37.060Folks, I recommended Kash Patel's book in the first segment, but if you are interested in this subject, or even if you're not, if you just want to have a correction, a course correction on history, the book, again, let's throw up the cover.
00:55:51.420The Truth About Watergate, A Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars, by the brilliant investigative reporter Nick Bryant.
00:56:00.000You can get it any place where books are sold.
00:56:34.980There were times you actually made me laugh out loud.
00:56:38.480You talked about the fact that Heidi Reichen, I believe it was, was married to two guys at the same time, but she hadn't converted to Mormonism at that time.
00:56:49.860It was one of the funniest lines in the book.
00:56:52.880Folks, if you want to know what really happened in Watergate, get this terrific book.
00:56:59.020Nick, I'd like you to come back and talk about these new Jeffrey Epstein files that have just been released.
00:57:04.340My producer will reach out to you and schedule that.
00:57:07.200There is no one more knowledgeable about the Epstein scandal than Nick Bryant.
00:57:12.100We look forward to having you back in the Stone Zone.
00:57:14.800Folks, go get this book as soon as you can.
00:57:16.760Nick, thank you, and God bless you for joining us today in the Zone.
00:57:23.120All right, folks, I'm afraid that's it for today.
00:57:27.500We'll be watching the drama surrounding the deepest division in Democratic Party history, where the party leaders clearly want to jump, dump Joe Biden.
00:57:37.120But Joe Biden now with his son as his chief political advisor, Hunter Biden, and his wife digging in their heels.
00:57:43.720It's unclear who will be the Democratic nominee for president.
00:57:49.120In the meantime, President Donald Trump has asked for, and I believe been granted, a delay in his July 11th sentencing.