The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Lee Smith ｜ 07-10-25

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:05.780 And we're back in the Stone Zone. Joining me now is Lee Smith. He is the author of the New York

00:00:12.400 Times bestseller, The Plot Against the President, that was subsequently made into one of the most

00:00:18.200 powerful documentaries I have ever seen. He has a new book out, which is even more shocking,

00:00:25.340 actually, called Disappearing the President. It is a shocking tale of how a shadow network of

00:00:34.100 powerful partisan activists have waged a years-long scorched-earth war to eradicate and destroy

00:00:41.240 President Donald Trump, resorting to unprecedented campaign of domestic spying, election rigging,

00:00:47.980 brute force censorship, and political violence, and sabotage countless other vital institutions

00:00:55.260 in their relentless effort to destroy Donald Trump. There is literally no person in the country

00:01:02.240 more knowledgeable about the Russian collusion hoax than Lee Smith, and we are honored to have

00:01:08.360 him with us today. Lee, welcome back into the Stone Zone. Roger, thank you so much for the really

00:01:14.440 super kind introduction. And like you, I'm excited to see movement on certain things, though.

00:01:23.120 I'm hopeful, but not certain we're going to get anything right now.

00:01:27.560 Yeah, I'm in the same position. I think things are looking better. I think the public focus on it

00:01:33.340 is vitally important. I'm sure that you had kind of the same reaction that I did when I saw this report

00:01:43.120 by CIA Director Radcliffe that said that John Brennan, the disgraced CIA director, the admitted communist,

00:01:55.600 he admitted that in the lie detector test, the same John Brennan who got caught spying on a Senate

00:02:03.120 committee that was investigating his illegal use of torture as CIA director, the same John Brennan who

00:02:10.140 signed the visas for four of the hijackers who attacked America on 9-11, the same John Brennan who FBI

00:02:21.900 counterintelligence agent John Guandolo swears converted to radical Islam when he was the station chief in

00:02:29.820 Riyadh, pushed to include the largely discredited Steele dossier in the president's intelligence

00:02:42.060 community briefing. You reported this long, long ago. This was not news to you. You had reported this,

00:02:53.260 we're well aware of it. Now we have the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rick Croffer,

00:02:59.420 who's a very good man, saying that he thinks that Radcliffe's move was really designed to preempt

00:03:07.820 the report that he's been working on for eight months that includes a great deal more declassified

00:03:13.740 documents, a much, much deeper dive about the rot and the corruption in our intelligence agencies. So,

00:03:22.620 Lee Smith, what say you? Yeah. Well, I mean, what, uh, what, uh, what chairman Crawford is referring to

00:03:29.260 is he's referring to the, uh, House Intelligence Committee Russia report that those guys are working

00:03:34.940 on since, I mean, since Devin Nunes ran that committee, um, in 2017 is when they started that

00:03:41.900 report. Uh, and that report is extensive and that does talk about Brennan. I mean, I, I haven't seen it.

00:03:49.420 I'm just saying what, what they've told me, it's still classified that report. I'm telling,

00:03:53.500 uh, I'm relaying the parts of that report that, that, that they've told me about that can be talked

00:03:59.020 about. And there, and, you know, we've seen it because we've seen that, we've seen that reported

00:04:03.740 now that there are parts in the, in the House Intelligence Committee, uh, you know, document that

00:04:10.300 talk about Brennan, that talk about, uh, the intelligence community assessment and Russiagate.

00:04:16.460 Now, I, I, I don't think that, I, I think that, um, I think that director John Ratcliffe

00:04:22.300 is a good guy. I think he, he loves Donald Trump. He supports Donald Trump. So he's not trying to,

00:04:29.260 he's not trying to do anything underhanded, but I agree with you, Roger. I think that this report

00:04:34.540 is, is, as other people have said, it's a whitewash. I mean, it's insane. Um, we've known most of this

00:04:40.840 stuff for a long time and it doesn't really get to the, it doesn't really advance anything new.

00:04:45.460 And there are different parts, which absolutely cover up for the bad things that Brennan and that

00:04:49.460 group did. I mean, there are just some astonishing things. I, I, I really have to hope that, you know,

00:04:54.900 you're, you're, you're a great audience. Your listeners are welcome to look it up and check it

00:04:59.140 and check it out. But, you know, we all have more important things to do with our lives. So I'll just

00:05:04.740 say the sort of ridiculous things that it's saying stuff like, oh yeah, it's still, uh, it's still a robust

00:05:10.580 document using proper sourcing. I'm like, this is just insane the way that these bureaucrats talk 0.91

00:05:16.260 about each other. But, you know, I mean, we, we all know that that's the kind of work they were

00:05:21.460 going to get. If you tell the people at Langley here, write a report on what people at Langley did,

00:05:27.380 that's absolutely the product they're going to turn around. So again, I don't think that director

00:05:33.140 John Radcliffe is a bad guy. I think he's a good guy, probably a great guy. As the, as,

00:05:39.700 as, uh, Donald Trump's director of national intelligence at the end of Donald Trump's first

00:05:44.180 term, Radcliffe declassified a whole bunch of really important documents. So he's a good guy.

00:05:49.060 And we know a lot about Russiagate, thanks to the efforts of John Radcliffe during Trump's first

00:05:53.780 term. So I don't think he's trying to obfuscate anything here, but yeah, we want that report that

00:05:59.140 Devin Nunes started. We, the report that, uh, that chairman Rick Crawford is talking about.

00:06:04.500 So those things are all really important for our understanding. I'll just say that the craziest

00:06:09.620 thing, uh, the craziest thing about, about that document, the craziest thing about the reporting

00:06:15.860 afterwards is, well, yeah, of course, Brennan and Comey wanted the dossier put into that intelligence

00:06:22.900 community assessment report, because that's all they had. There was never any evidence

00:06:28.820 that Donald Trump was colluding, conspiring, uh, uh, contacting Russia. Never. All they had

00:06:38.260 was the dossier. It had to go in the ICA. And that's why Devin Nunes, uh, Devin Nunes in my first

00:06:45.300 book on, on Russiagate, the plot against the president. That's why Devin Nunes called that

00:06:50.580 intelligence community assessment, Obama's dossier. And that's the title of one of my chapters in that

00:06:55.780 book, Obama's dossier. So we've known this for a long time that they had to put that in there.

00:07:01.780 They had to put all that steel reporting in there because that's all they ever had.

00:07:06.260 This whole fake story paid for by the Clinton campaign.

00:07:09.620 I completely agree with your assessment of John Radcliffe. I think he's a good man. And I think

00:07:16.820 this has been an important contribution to getting public focus, uh, back on the epic

00:07:23.140 corruption of what I've continued to call the greatest political dirty trick in American history,

00:07:29.060 uh, and certainly the greatest single abuse of power. I'm sorry, but Watergate pales in comparison

00:07:35.780 to this. Watergate was, uh, an operation, a bunch of misguided private citizens, uh, broke into the

00:07:42.260 Watergate. Uh, I have my own theories about what they were looking for. You can read it in the two

00:07:47.540 books I've written about it. It's not, I'm gonna get sidetracked on it. Uh, but we also saw another

00:07:52.820 example this week of the, uh, of the, uh, uh, uh, uh, corruption, I guess I have to call it, uh,

00:08:00.580 in the games played by the CIA. For six decades, the Central Intelligence Agency insisted, uh, that they

00:08:09.140 had no knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald. They weren't tracking him. He wasn't on their radar.

00:08:13.940 Uh, that turns out to be an egregious lie, uh, that they had him under surveillance. They were

00:08:21.140 monitoring all of his communications, uh, and those reports were not being handled by low-level

00:08:26.660 bureaucrats. They were going to the CIA director, John McCone, and to the, the then deputy director,

00:08:34.260 Richard Helms. Uh, so they were not only in essence monitoring Oswald, they were actually handling

00:08:42.820 Oswald. Uh, and they set up the famous, uh, uh, altercation on the street in New Orleans in which

00:08:50.820 Oswald was handing out pro-Castro leaflets in an effort to establish the narrative that he was a

00:08:59.140 communist. By the way, none of this, in my opinion, means that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed John F.

00:09:04.340 Kennedy, because he didn't. Uh, it's a story for another day. But it does demonstrate the fact

00:09:10.020 that even now, with the president ordering the National Archives and all branches of government

00:09:16.900 to release all data regarding the murder of John F. Kennedy, that the government held the so-called

00:09:23.540 George Joannides, uh, documents back. Joannides was the, was the FBI official, pardon me, the CIA official

00:09:32.740 in charge of, uh, overseeing the monitoring of Lee Harvey Oswald. Uh, and, uh, he's also the CIA

00:09:42.100 operative who was in charge to, uh, to stonewall the 1978 House, uh, Select Committee on Assassinations,

00:09:51.860 re-examination of the Kennedy assassination, with the CIA flatly refused to cooperate in. They turned over

00:09:59.540 no documents, they provided no witnesses, and they answered no questions. It just speaks to the epic

00:10:06.180 corruption, uh, of the CIA. Uh, there is no greater patriot than Devin Nunes, who I think did an amazing

00:10:16.580 job as the chairman of the committee. Just having to put up with Adam Schiff every day, he should get a

00:10:21.700 medal for that. Yes. I mean, the, the, the, this guy is the, uh, is the, uh, the most incredible

00:10:30.420 congenitor liar, uh, in the history of American politics. Uh, uh, I'm sure you recall when he said 0.56

00:10:37.700 that he had seen more than circumstantial evidence of Russian collusion. Well, congressmen produce it.

00:10:44.660 Where is it? You never produced anything. Uh, the fact that he continues to get away

00:10:51.140 with these lies, he actually got a promotion to the U.S. Senate, is, uh, it's hard to stomach,

00:10:57.060 to be quite honest with you. Uh, I was happy to see Kash Patel announce that there's now an open

00:11:04.260 investigation into Comey and Brendan, because I, there's no question they need to be held accountable.

00:11:10.820 There are some statue of limitations questions. What's interesting here is that both Brennan

00:11:17.700 and Comey not only used the Steele dossier, uh, wedging it into the intelligence community,

00:11:26.980 uh, assessment that was presented to Obama, but as you pointed out, uh, Obama knew it was coming and

00:11:33.460 he used it essentially as the rationale to, uh, uh, authorize Crossfire Hurricane, the, uh, the CIA,

00:11:42.180 FBI effort to, uh, uh, uh, surveil and bring down Donald Trump, also later used as the rationale for

00:11:49.940 the appointment of, uh, Robert Mueller as the special, uh, counsel. Uh, this, by the way, is why I think

00:11:58.020 they came back and pressured me. As I say, after spending 30 million dollars, uh, and, uh, conducting

00:12:06.260 an exhaustive investigation, they couldn't find the Russian collusion because it didn't exist.

00:12:12.660 Uh, and that, therefore, they just, they decided that perhaps they could flip me and get me to testify

00:12:19.060 falsely against the president, which I refused to do. Uh, there was no Russian collusion. There was no

00:12:25.220 WikiLeaks collaboration. I passed not one, but two different polygraph tests on that very subject.

00:12:32.580 So, uh, I'm really very hopeful that they will be held to account here and that there will be

00:12:39.140 indictments. The, the problem here is one of statute of limitations, or maybe not. I would make an argument

00:12:46.660 that both Brennan and Comey engaged in treason, and there is no statute of limitations on, on treason,

00:12:54.340 but, uh, while Brennan and Comey both lied before Congress about pushing to include the

00:13:03.060 so-called Steele dossier in the Intelligence Committee's assessment, um, later on, uh, as late as 2020,

00:13:12.340 uh, in Brennan's interview with Special Counsel John Durham, uh, he yet again lied, uh, about, uh,

00:13:19.380 that there may be some legal vulnerability there. For reasons I don't understand, then Attorney General

00:13:27.060 Bill Barr cleared Brennan of wrongdoing, claiming falsely that the CIA had stayed in its lane. Uh,

00:13:36.500 I think there, uh, is also the possibility that, uh, Comey lied at a later date before Congress as well.

00:13:45.300 Uh, I still have the same concern, which you and I have discussed, which is that any indictment brought

00:13:52.660 in the District of Columbia, uh, is going to get a hostile, uh, partisan judge, uh, going to get an all

00:14:00.660 Democrat jury, uh, and of course you have the coverage by the fake news media, which will seek to discredit,

00:14:09.220 uh, any, uh, uh, uh, accounting by these people. I saw John Brennan yesterday on MSNBC.

00:14:16.580 This guy's arrogance just, uh, continues to blow my mind. I mean, he's there yet repeating the same lie.

00:14:23.460 He basically said yesterday, oh, no, I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't push to include the Steele 0.99

00:14:28.340 dossier when we know the exact opposite is true. Lee? Well, well, that's going to be the problem.

00:14:35.700 I mean, you know, I mean, we're all reading the same reports about the, uh, and I don't know. I,

00:14:41.860 I'm, it's just not clear to me that if the FBI has announced an investigation, because that's,

00:14:46.740 they're not really supposed to do that. My sense is that what's been announced is that, uh, uh,

00:14:52.820 John Radcliffe, uh, made a criminal referral, which went over to DOJ. So that I think that's what we

00:15:00.420 know for sure. I've seen reports that, that, that there's an FBI investigation now, but that, that,

00:15:07.060 that might be racing a little bit ahead, but definitely Radcliffe made a referral, um, you know,

00:15:13.860 for an investigation by at over at DOJ FBI. Um, yes, if it is a perjury charge, that's going to be a big

00:15:21.780 problem because as I've been explaining in these different books, I mean, look, no one called it the

00:15:27.380 Steele dossier until January, 2017, when they were passing this thing around before they were not

00:15:35.700 calling it the Steele dossier. So just the idea, you know, I mean, Brennan has been weaseling out of

00:15:40.980 this one for, for, for half a decade now there, there, for instance, Roger, there's a, uh, an article.

00:15:48.260 Uh, I mean, I, I know all the press reports inside out. I have all the dates. It's June 23rd,

00:15:53.760 2017 Washington post what the story is about. It's about how John Brennan put the Steele dossier

00:16:01.040 on Barack Obama's desk, right? That they sent it over. I mean, did it really happen? I don't know,

00:16:07.600 but John Brennan is the source for the story that was published in the Washington post,

00:16:12.400 but it's never referred to as the Steele dossier in there. So the idea that Brennan, you know, that,

00:16:18.160 that, that Brennan, uh, somehow is going to get in trouble because he said he didn't put the Steele

00:16:24.720 dossier in there. It doesn't make sense to me. They never called it that, right? The, the way that

00:16:30.560 they, they thought of it in an entirely different way. And they were very careful. John Brennan,

00:16:35.440 and I try to remind people of this. John Brennan is not a good guy. He's a bad guy, but he's not a

00:16:40.560 dumb guy. And this is something that, you know, Congressman Nunes and Chairman Nunes, you know, 0.90

00:16:45.740 repeated again and again. He said, look, you know, Brennan is a very slippery guy. These,

00:16:49.900 these guys are, are, are not dummies. They get to the head of these agencies and these institutions

00:16:55.340 by being, um, being more clever as bureaucrats, right? Not by being more patriotic or not by

00:17:03.020 necessarily being the best at their jobs, but by being more skillful bureaucrats who know how to use

00:17:10.520 paperwork. So the idea that they're going to catch, um, Brennan on this, on a, on a perjury charge,

00:17:16.800 it, it, I, I, I don't see it. I think there probably are different things. And you mentioned

00:17:22.540 before, uh, when Durham went to Langley to interview Brennan in August, 2020, I, I, I think that there

00:17:32.120 are different things that may have happened. And while Brennan was preparing for that interview,

00:17:37.100 perhaps even in the aftermath, I'm hoping that DOJ and the FBI FBI looks at that, looks at that

00:17:44.940 period. But I think the 2017 period, again, I'm, I'm, you know, I, I can't speak to the statute of

00:17:51.280 limitations, what it is exactly for every charge and how it might be extended. It just seems to me

00:17:56.680 that there are different places that if they're looking to hold John Brennan accountable for what

00:18:01.420 he did, it seems to me that maybe the, uh, preparation for that intelligence community

00:18:07.360 assessment is not going to provide a lot of leads, but that August 20, uh, August, 2020 meeting or

00:18:15.520 interview with John Durham may be fruitful. All right. We have to wrap it there. Uh, I want to thank

00:18:22.440 our guest, uh, Lee Smith, the great Lee Smith, urge you to check out his book, Disappearing the

00:18:28.520 President, the New York Times bestseller. Whatever you do, don't touch that dial because we'll be

00:18:33.700 right back. The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - July 11, 2025

Lee Smith ｜ 07-10-25

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