The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Life in Prison For Starting a Website？ Trump Pledges to FREE Ross Ulbricht - The StoneZONE

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:13.060 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:17.360 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:23.020 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,

00:00:26.960 spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:33.980 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:39.340 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:46.980 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in The Stone Zone.

00:00:51.640 One of the political stories that we didn't get a chance to cover yesterday was the Libertarian Party National Nominating Convention,

00:01:02.760 which was attended by President Donald Trump.

00:01:05.660 There were some significant news developments there, and my co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.news, joins me now to break those down.

00:01:16.700 Roger, thank you so much for having me. It's an honor to be here as always.

00:01:19.520 Great to have you back with me.

00:01:22.220 So, many people thought that the Libertarian Party had devolved into a joke,

00:01:28.980 and a few wondered why President Donald Trump agreed to their invitation to address their convention.

00:01:36.860 It's important to note that, under law, Trump could not be the nominee of both the Republican Party and the National Libertarian Party.

00:01:45.600 New York, I believe, may be the only state that allows nominations on multiple ballots,

00:01:51.900 and that would require the Libertarians to actually get on the ballot in New York, which they have not yet done.

00:01:59.400 There was a very significant development, however.

00:02:03.940 What I think turned into what could have been a catastrophe was turned around by President Donald Trump

00:02:10.600 when he made the bold pledge to commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht.

00:02:17.000 Let's take a look.

00:02:18.360 And if you vote for me on day one, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht to a sentence of time served.

00:02:26.720 That moment, that flashpoint, I think, really kind of changed the entire situation.

00:02:38.180 Unfortunately, the Libertarian Party would go on to nominate a candidate who is in favor of transitioning children,

00:02:45.980 who favors mask and vaccination mandates, who believes that men should compete in women's sports, and who believes in open borders.

00:02:55.540 That is not, by my definition, libertarianism in any way.

00:03:00.380 Clint Russell, who was a candidate for vice president, joins us later in the show to talk about that convention

00:03:07.180 and what he's decided to do about their nominee.

00:03:10.020 But first, we're going to be joined by Martha Bueno, who is a forward-thinking entrepreneur and political activist

00:03:18.240 recognized by Inc. 500 at the age of 32 of leading one of the fastest-growing companies in the United States.

00:03:29.060 She is melding her entrepreneurial success with political activism,

00:03:33.880 including a very strong and valiant race in 2022 for the Miami-Dade commissioner position.

00:03:42.480 Right now, however, with the announcement by Donald Trump that he will grant clemency to Ross on day one,

00:03:50.020 Martha Bueno, a lifelong libertarian and a friend to the Ulbricht family, has shifted her support to Donald Trump.

00:03:58.240 Martha Bueno joins us now in the Stone Zone.

00:04:00.780 Thank you so much for having me. This is such a great honor.

00:04:05.500 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:04:07.800 So, Martha, you saw that national convention, where I think President Trump did an extraordinarily valiant thing.

00:04:18.060 It's sad how many Americans are unaware of the history and the story of Ross Ulbricht,

00:04:25.140 I'm also unaware of why a commutation of his sentence at this point would be appropriate.

00:04:32.200 Can you help illuminate those who are in the dark?

00:04:36.500 Absolutely. So, Ross is a tragic story of a young American man who did something that he believed was right.

00:04:46.520 He built a very libertarian free market website, which unfortunately, you know, what happens when people have some freedom is they tend to sell all sorts of goods and services.

00:04:59.840 And sometimes those goods and services include drugs.

00:05:02.300 But he built the website.

00:05:04.240 He did not, in fact, sell drugs himself.

00:05:06.220 And as a libertarian with a belief of not hurting people and not taking their stuff, there were very important rules on this site.

00:05:14.260 You could not buy or sell any stolen goods, no arms, no child trafficking, no child porn.

00:05:22.560 So there was a lot of rules.

00:05:24.200 And of course, all of this was used with Bitcoin.

00:05:27.500 And for that crime of building a website, Ross Ulbricht was sentenced to double life sentence plus 40 years, which is 240 years.

00:05:36.780 And it is far too long.

00:05:39.120 He was an idealistic or he is an idealistic young man and he deserves freedom.

00:05:44.120 What he did was maybe some people see it as a bad thing.

00:05:48.880 I, as a libertarian, do not.

00:05:51.140 And so for me, he is a hero.

00:05:52.620 I do understand why the state did not quite like what he did.

00:05:57.960 And so they threw the book at him and have put him in a prison ever since.

00:06:03.780 He's been there for 11 years.

00:06:05.280 It is far too long, as President Trump said from the stage.

00:06:09.100 It is far too long.

00:06:10.260 And he deserves to be home.

00:06:12.120 His family is a good family.

00:06:13.900 And they deserve to have him back home.

00:06:15.900 And he deserves to be somebody who brings good things to this world, to this country.

00:06:21.100 He's an entrepreneurial spirit.

00:06:23.660 And I believe that he has a lot of good left in him.

00:06:26.660 And I hope to see him be able to achieve it.

00:06:30.300 Based on the research I did, which I admit was cursory, but it appears that most of the drug sales were marijuana, which is now legal in more than half of the states.

00:06:41.100 There is no evidence that he himself sold drugs.

00:06:46.020 And as you point out, there was nobody here sex trafficked, nobody killed.

00:06:53.000 Life in prison seems to be a little excessive given his transgressions.

00:06:59.300 And he's now served 11 years, more than one would ever serve for the crime of selling marijuana, even if he himself had done it.

00:07:08.120 All of this, of course, on the dark web, which I'm not terribly familiar with.

00:07:12.880 Troy, do you have a question for Maria?

00:07:15.740 Absolutely.

00:07:16.480 Roger, you kind of hinted at my question there.

00:07:18.720 It would seem that a life sentence would be just unbelievably out of the question.

00:07:25.340 Why would they choose to give this man a life sentence?

00:07:28.100 That would be my question to you, Martha.

00:07:29.820 It's like, why is this guy getting a life sentence?

00:07:33.660 Do you think that there was something about the charges here?

00:07:36.940 There was an ulterior motive.

00:07:38.460 There was something they wanted to punish him specifically for.

00:07:41.460 Do you think that this was political?

00:07:42.840 Why did they decide to give him life in prison for for basically running a Web site?

00:07:47.880 Seems insane.

00:07:49.180 It does seem insane.

00:07:50.500 You're absolutely correct.

00:07:51.540 And, you know, I don't I can't speak for the United States government and why they would do this.

00:07:56.380 However, the judge, Catherine Forrest, at her sentencing said that Ross needed to be punished for his very libertarian ideals for.

00:08:06.200 Yes, absolutely.

00:08:07.060 You know, it's crazy to hear that our American justice system, which is supposed to be fair and balanced, is is punishing somebody for creating a Web site that, again, was using Bitcoin, which back at the time people didn't really understand Bitcoin and was basically selling cannabis.

00:08:27.600 And but they also sold other things.

00:08:28.740 They sold art.

00:08:29.820 They sold insulin.

00:08:30.840 I mean, it was it was very much like an eBay style Web site.

00:08:34.120 And I want to point out that this sentence is so wrong that El Chapo Guzman, the head of the Sinaloa cartel, one of the largest drug traffickers, human traffickers, murdered people.

00:08:44.220 I mean, one of the most evil people on the planet was only given one life sentence.

00:08:48.860 And I don't think by that comparison, one can even, you know, look at Ross and say you deserve this.

00:08:54.260 Ross has served far too long and he's been a model citizen in prison.

00:08:57.640 He's not only helped people graduate in jail, he's he's led, you know, courses for people.

00:09:05.960 He's helped them meditate.

00:09:07.200 He's created games.

00:09:08.260 He's done everything he can do to pass his time in the most helpful way.

00:09:13.540 And again, he's been a model citizen and he's in a maximum security prison with people that he does not deserve to spend his time with.

00:09:21.240 It has been a travesty.

00:09:22.780 They have, you know, upended this entire family and family's life.

00:09:28.240 And it's just wrong.

00:09:29.960 And Donald Trump is doing the right thing here by offering to commute his sentence.

00:09:34.760 This is this is so needed.

00:09:36.140 And it definitely got me behind Trump.

00:09:39.720 And I know so many people actually, I keep getting messages from so many people saying that they don't vote.

00:09:45.800 They're anarchists and they don't vote and they're going to be voting.

00:09:48.000 They're going to be casting their first vote for Donald J. Trump come November.

00:09:52.780 Uh, here's it.

00:09:54.420 Let me posit a theory here and that that that this may not really have been about Ross may not even really been about the Silk Road website, but it may have been about Bitcoin.

00:10:04.480 Uh, it's kind of obvious to me that this administration would like to either heavily regulate or if they can actually outlaw Bitcoin as a form of currency.

00:10:16.240 And of course, Donald Trump has just embraced Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, which I think is a good reason for many libertarians or those looking for an alternative monetary system to vote for him.

00:10:29.940 Troy, what do you think of that idea?

00:10:31.140 Well, Roger, I think, uh, you know, it's about freedom, really.

00:10:35.600 And, uh, I think the regulators, you know, they, they talk so much about, uh, the, the, oh, Bitcoin is unreliable.

00:10:43.220 They say, oh, well, Bitcoin is, is, is not really backed by anything, but yet their entire system is backed by the exact same thing.

00:10:50.160 So they want to tell us that, oh, it's this unregulated system.

00:10:54.380 And we have Elizabeth Warren, even Senator Elizabeth Warren on CNBC after Trump announced that his campaign would be accepting Bitcoin donations.

00:11:02.320 She's on CNBC, Roger, calling for Bitcoin to be eliminated because it funds, uh, terrorists.

00:11:08.180 And, and you made the point, I believe on this show where you said, uh, well, are we going to ban dollars too?

00:11:13.440 And I think that's what it comes down to Ross Ulbrich here.

00:11:15.900 You know, uh, what is the really underlying crime?

00:11:18.460 You know, we, Roger, we just went through a hush money trial in New York where there was no underlying crime for the former president.

00:11:25.220 And, uh, it's a, it's a travesty that the, that, that they were able to kind of orchestrate this persecution, uh, without really a charge.

00:11:33.740 And it seems to me, uh, uh, Martha, we can kick this one to you. 0.99

00:11:37.140 It seems to me that Ross Ulbrich is being put through the exact same ringer, but there's no real underlying charge,

00:11:42.800 but he really made the crime of operating as a free individual in the United States.

00:11:48.460 Oh, absolutely.

00:11:49.600 And, you know, it's funny because it's actually the same court that Ross was, uh, convicted and tried it in.

00:11:54.920 So Donald Trump is facing the exact same court that put Ross into a cage for double life sentence in 40 years for the crime of using a currency.

00:12:05.500 I agree with you both.

00:12:06.660 Um, I think the real crime, according to the United States government is having introduced and been the first use case for Bitcoin in the United States.

00:12:14.820 And, you know, like you said, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

00:12:17.740 The, uh, dollar, should we go after the dollar?

00:12:20.400 Because we can exchange dollars.

00:12:22.060 And as a matter of fact, that's the number one thing used to exchange for drugs is the United States dollar.

00:12:27.580 So, I mean, if, if Bitcoin is such an evil currency, then so is the U S dollar and, um, you know, Bitcoin is a currency that is supposed to, um, free us from the government fiat.

00:12:42.320 And I think that that is exactly why he is in that cage.

00:12:45.680 And I hope to see not only Ross free, but Bitcoin free.

00:12:49.020 And there are many other current, uh, people currently in jail for using Bitcoin.

00:12:53.780 Uh, people like Roger Ver, people like I, uh, Ian Friedman.

00:12:57.660 I mean, there are so many people that the United States government is now going after for Bitcoin.

00:13:03.600 And, um, of course we know that they're trying to impose their own type of, uh, cryptocurrency, a CN, um, uh, the, um,

00:13:11.080 CBNC, or, um, sorry, I'm, I'm, I just drew a blank, but, um, the United States government is also going after, uh, creating their own currency so that they can continue to inflate it and continue to force us to use money.

00:13:23.520 That is basically worthless.

00:13:24.680 Uh, uh, very, very well put.

00:13:27.940 All right.

00:13:28.240 We have to move along.

00:13:29.380 Let me thank Martha Bueno for joining us today in the stone zone, uh, an eloquent, uh, presentation regarding why it is time for president Donald Trump to commute the sentence of Ross Albert.

00:13:41.080 Thank you so much, Martha, for joining us, uh, on the show.

00:13:45.640 Thank you for having me and free Ross.

00:13:48.400 There you go, folks.

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00:16:20.480 Welcome back, folks.

00:16:21.800 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone, and this is The Stone Zone.

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00:16:41.940 Joining me again in The Zone is my co-host, Troy Smith.

00:16:47.200 Troy, the Trump trial in New York continues to dominate the news.

00:16:51.840 I'm not an attorney, as I've said on this show many times, but I am perplexed by the jury instructions from Judge Juan Merchan, who basically says that since the government never established any underlying crime, which would be required for these financial transactions to be a felony, they had to mask or be related to some underlying crime.

00:17:17.500 That is, interestingly, that is, interestingly, specifically not a Federal Election Commission campaign finance violation.

00:17:26.100 We know that only because, well, the Federal Election Commission conducted an investigation.

00:17:31.440 But the judge would not allow Bradley Smith, the former chairman, vice chairman, and I believe general counsel of the Federal Election Commission, a man who probably has the best understanding of the federal election law of anyone in the country, the judge would not allow him to testify.

00:17:49.380 And therefore, the perception continues with the jury that Trump may have committed a federal election commission, a federal, pardon me, a campaign finance crime, which, of course, he didn't.

00:18:02.720 Now, basically, as I understand it, what the judge is saying is, if the jurors, a majority of the jurors find that Trump committed any underlying crime, it doesn't even have to be the same one, well, that would result in a guilty verdict.

00:18:21.620 No lawyer that I know thinks that this is a just result or that this trial will stand on appeal, but that's not really the point here, is it, Troy?

00:18:33.600 Roger, no, it doesn't seem to be the point.

00:18:35.860 And we kind of broke the news. 0.83

00:18:37.800 We were one of the first to do it yesterday about Robert De Niro kind of acting like a fool outside of the Trump hush money trial.

00:18:44.780 And I think him being there highlights exactly what you're saying.

00:18:47.820 The point of this is not some kind of trial or to right some wrong or to point out some crime.

00:18:54.640 The point of this trial is election interference.

00:18:56.940 This was hammered by Trump's surrogates outside of the trial yesterday, which I think we're going to show here very shortly.

00:19:05.280 But when we're talking about Robert De Niro, at a certain point, he says in his speech, Roger, that he delivered yesterday while he was being showered with booze from Trump supporters, that he is actually he was there on behalf of the Biden-Harris campaign.

00:19:20.020 He says it flat out and he actually says, I'm working with the Biden-Harris campaign.

00:19:25.580 And so I was watching yesterday the press coverage of De Niro.

00:19:29.860 And while I think he thought that he was going to march in there and be some kind of anti-Trump hero, he was really being destroyed by both sides of the political aisle.

00:19:39.100 Because the idea that the Biden administration sent Robert De Niro, this 80-year-old individual who appears to be losing his mind, to the hush money trial, it proves, as you said on the show, that this is purely political.

00:19:57.620 This is all about the 2024 election and the Biden administration's attempt to justify, I think, what they're planning.

00:20:05.320 And we don't know exactly what they're planning because, you know, the election's not here yet.

00:20:10.300 But I think that these cases, this one in particular, if they're able to land anything here, all it's going to do, Roger, is give the establishment, the same people who put Joe Biden in power in 2020, it's going to give them a license to do whatever they want.

00:20:25.780 And it's going to give them carte blanche to go out and say, well, the president's been charged.

00:20:29.600 And I'm interested to hear what you think, because I think what's eventually going to happen, if they do land any of these charges, I think his approval rating will actually go up.

00:20:38.780 People will actually like him more.

00:20:39.980 Your thoughts?

00:20:41.460 Well, I agree with you that the Biden-Harris campaign made a tactical error by producing not only Robert De Niro, who admitted that he was there at their behest,

00:20:51.320 but also one of the January 6th Capitol Hill police officers to assault Donald Trump.

00:20:58.040 That proves what we have been saying all along, that this is a politicized prosecution, and that is all political theater.

00:21:07.460 But, Troy, I have one question for you that I'm a little unclear on.

00:21:10.960 What exactly is a MOOC?

00:21:12.460 People in the crowd were very angry at De Niro, but they kept calling him a MOOC.

00:21:21.340 What exactly is a MOOC?

00:21:23.860 I got to tell you, Roger, I'm not from New York.

00:21:26.280 That's not my thing.

00:21:27.120 I have no idea what that is.

00:21:29.440 When the show's over, we're going to go to the Urban Dictionary and look that up,

00:21:33.420 because there are a lot of people calling Robert De Niro a MOOC.

00:21:37.900 What it's really going to transpire here is going to be very interesting.

00:21:44.580 Yesterday, you saw a purposely leaked story that the Secret Service has been meeting with officials in New York in their prison system

00:21:57.500 to talk about the terms and circumstances, I guess, under which President Donald Trump would be incarcerated.

00:22:04.180 I assume that this story was leaked for its negative effect on the jurors.

00:22:10.220 In other words, oh, well, he's definitely guilty.

00:22:13.340 Now we're beginning to plan about how we're going to put him in jail.

00:22:17.540 It really is incredibly outrageous.

00:22:21.140 Of course, CBS led with this story, which instantaneously was almost everywhere.

00:22:26.960 Your thoughts?

00:22:27.440 Well, Roger, you know, the idea that the Secret Service is meeting with somebody, like you said,

00:22:32.860 I think that that's probably, as you said, selectively leaked to try to create the impression that the media wants to create.

00:22:40.060 They've been doing this all along.

00:22:41.360 And I noticed this yesterday in some of the things that are being said outside of the Hush Money trial.

00:22:47.480 I wanted to play some of these clips here because Stephen Chung hits this right on the head in his statement that he gave to the press yesterday.

00:22:55.360 He's an advisor. I believe he's the communications director for the Trump campaign.

00:22:59.860 And we want to play that clip of Stephen Chung outside of the courthouse yesterday.

00:23:04.240 It was just he nailed it.

00:23:05.640 This is election interference.

00:23:07.340 And let's roll that clip now.

00:23:08.940 Get Roger's thoughts on the other side.

00:23:10.840 Make no mistake.

00:23:12.220 This is election interference of the highest order.

00:23:16.740 Crooked Joe Biden and his campaign are in complete freak out mode.

00:23:21.080 And that's why they've gone back on the word and now they've gone in bed with a highly convicted, conflicted judge.

00:23:27.300 And now they're making a political mockery of this entire thing.

00:23:32.220 The fact remains that President Trump will overcome.

00:23:36.120 He will fight these charges up and down.

00:23:39.420 And there is nothing to stop the truth from coming out.

00:23:42.040 Thank you.

00:23:42.700 Yeah, Stephen Chung, the communications director for Donald Trump's campaign.

00:23:49.020 I think he just hit it on the head.

00:23:52.380 It's going to be very interesting watching the polls and the polling in the wake of this trial.

00:24:00.340 It's still quite extraordinary to me.

00:24:03.280 And, of course, it's not over yet.

00:24:05.080 Most people do not understand that in a criminal trial at the state or federal level, the prosecution gets to put on their case as to why you should be convicted.

00:24:17.940 Your attorneys, your defense attorneys, are allowed to cross-examine the government's witnesses.

00:24:24.780 Then you're allowed to put on your defense.

00:24:26.980 The government is allowed to cross-examine your witnesses, unless the witnesses, of course, are not allowed to testify by the judge.

00:24:35.180 And then, of course, the people don't know this.

00:24:40.080 The government gets the final shot at the ball.

00:24:42.660 They get to essentially have a summation to answer everything put forward by the defense.

00:24:50.200 This seems unfair, but that is our American system.

00:24:54.120 President Donald Trump seemed to be surprised by it.

00:24:56.320 I was surprised by it when I went to trial in D.C. on the trumped-up charges of Russian collusion, which, of course, I was not guilty of.

00:25:08.000 Well, and, Roger, in this case, I wanted to ask you specifically because you dealt with media leaks in your case as well.

00:25:14.160 Isn't that right?

00:25:14.780 And it's probably it's just like deja vu for you seeing these leaks happen in the Trump case as well.

00:25:20.280 Yeah, I remember the weekend that CNN reported that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had seized all my bank records and my tax records from the IRS and my bank records from my bank.

00:25:33.880 But yes, we were subjected to these leaks like Chinese water torture every single week.

00:25:50.420 There was a new story about a new surprise witness or stone associate pulled to the grand jury.

00:25:57.060 This is this is this is part of their strategy.

00:26:00.040 So and I think this is key while they want to gag Trump.

00:26:04.260 They want to gag him in New York.

00:26:06.380 They want to gag him in the Florida.

00:26:11.060 Documents trial.

00:26:12.180 They want to gag him.

00:26:13.420 I think they have successfully gagged him in the D.C. trial of election interference brought by Jack Smith.

00:26:21.940 They are constantly leaking negative, many times inaccurate information about you to their colleagues in the fake news media.

00:26:33.820 And of course, no one else is is gagged but you.

00:26:38.180 So CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times, they're allowed to pile on.

00:26:43.960 They can say anything they want, but you're not allowed to respond to defend yourself.

00:26:48.480 Clearly unconstitutional, but unfortunately, has never made that question has never made it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:26:56.280 I challenged the gag order in my case, and it was basically sat on for eight months by the D.C. appeals court and then rejected on procedural grounds,

00:27:09.640 saying that I hadn't asked the judge in my case who had imposed the gag order to lift the gag order.

00:27:16.560 And therefore, my motion, my my mandamus was not ripe for consideration.

00:27:23.360 I sustained huge public damage during that entire time.

00:27:27.840 To this day, people on X will keep calling me a Russian traitor.

00:27:32.020 They obviously didn't follow my case because the government never produced any evidence of either Russian collusion or even WikiLeaks collaboration.

00:27:40.800 And it wasn't until BuzzFeed, of all people, sued the U.S. Department of Justice to force the release of the entire final report by Robert Mueller,

00:27:54.720 where the entire section on me had been redacted, that Mueller himself admitted that he'd found no evidence of Russian collusion, WikiLeaks collaboration,

00:28:04.840 or for that matter, any other crime on my part.

00:28:08.800 I think most people know that my prosecution was about pressuring me into testifying falsely against Donald Trump, something I refused to do.

00:28:18.800 Well, Roger, and it's just it's important to point out because you've been through this ringer.

00:28:23.440 You've seen this before. And I wanted to get your opinion.

00:28:26.400 You know, the the Supreme we talked a little bit about it yesterday.

00:28:29.400 The pressure campaign that's being mounted by MSNBC, CNN and others against the Supreme Court.

00:28:35.580 Does that make you question?

00:28:37.960 You know, it would seem to me, based on your case and based on Trump's case and others, that the gag order is an essential piece of of how the deep state comes after you.

00:28:48.340 It's an essential piece of how the government manipulates reality in order to achieve its goal of persecuting its enemies politically.

00:28:58.000 So my question to you is, do you think that this pressure campaign is an indication that we may have an opportunity here before the next election to see gag orders ruled unconstitutionally, as they really should be?

00:29:11.120 Well, somebody has to get a gag order question before the court.

00:29:14.980 And of course, the court has to agree to hear it. 0.64

00:29:17.000 But the hypocrisy here is knee deep.

00:29:20.220 The same people who are howling for Justice Alito to recuse himself from any matter pertaining to Donald Trump or the January 6th matter are because his wife, evidently, based on what I read, flew an upside down flag at their beach house, which we're not even sure had a political connotation.

00:29:42.260 She says it did not.

00:29:44.280 She said it was a dispute with a neighbor who called her a vile word with four letters.

00:29:49.900 It starts with C. 0.95

00:29:51.880 Those same people are the ones who see nothing wrong with Judge Merchant giving a campaign contribution to Joe Biden or having a daughter who is a Democrat fundraising consultant and whose clients include Biden and Harris.

00:30:07.760 And she has used this trial, which her which her father is presiding over to to to as the focal point for her fundraising.

00:30:21.440 Seems to me that that is a serious monetary financial conflict of interest.

00:30:26.580 But of course, the folks who want Alito and for that matter, Clarence Thomas to step down, well, they have no problem with the conduct of Judge Merchant and his daughter.

00:30:36.440 No, they don't, Roger.

00:30:38.660 And additionally, anybody who really stands up for President Trump, you know, I think it's kind of interesting.

00:30:44.440 The I call them the Trump surrogates, the people outside of the courthouse, whether it be Lara Trump was out there yesterday.

00:30:50.480 Eric Trump was out there.

00:30:52.000 We've seen senators.

00:30:53.180 We've seen Senator Rick Scott.

00:30:55.240 We've seen representatives from Congress and even Speaker Johnson.

00:30:59.600 They are viciously attacked.

00:31:02.480 And I think it's important.

00:31:03.380 I don't think that and I even see him attacked within Republican circles to a certain extent, people bashing them.

00:31:09.500 And I say it's important because the president, as you state, is gagged.

00:31:13.160 He's not allowed to speak about these issues.

00:31:15.480 And for people of prominence, especially within Republican politics, to come and show their support for the former president, I think is a great thing.

00:31:22.920 It's a sign of unity.

00:31:25.180 And I notice that, too, Roger.

00:31:26.540 Any unity as it pertains to the MAGA part of the Republican Party and embracing those values, well, that's bad.

00:31:34.720 We can't talk about that.

00:31:35.780 But if it's unity on the Democrat side or amongst establishment Republicans who want to do damage to the MAGA movement and make sure that it has no influence in Republican politics, it's terrible.

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00:34:05.440 Welcome back, folks.

00:34:06.760 I'm Roger Stone, and yes, this is The Stone Zone.

00:34:09.940 I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.news.

00:34:16.460 And joining us now is Clint Russell, who was a candidate for vice president at the National

00:34:23.900 Libertarian Nominating Convention, also the host of a very popular podcast.

00:34:30.340 He joins us now.

00:34:33.280 Thanks for having me, Roger.

00:34:34.560 Yeah, host of Liberty Lockdown, vice presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, and front

00:34:40.220 row center for Donald Trump's speech.

00:34:43.040 In fact, I gave an opening speech before he came out.

00:34:45.360 So it was quite a surreal event, but I enjoyed it tremendously.

00:34:49.440 So you are the host of Liberty Lockdown, which we very much commend to our audience.

00:34:57.780 You know, I was, as you know, briefly a member of the Libertarian Party in 2012, when the Republican

00:35:04.840 Party foolishly nominated Mitt Romney, who clearly believed in nothing whatsoever other than power

00:35:10.980 and money, a man who once described himself as severely conservative, which, of course,

00:35:16.880 no conservative would ever describe themselves that way.

00:35:21.000 I realized that it was time to split.

00:35:24.580 It was a very difficult decision.

00:35:26.520 I'm a former young Republican national chairman.

00:35:29.340 I'd worked for three Republican presidents, but I left.

00:35:34.800 And it was a surreal experience.

00:35:37.240 Now, I'm proud of my support for Governor Gary Johnson in 2012.

00:35:41.060 I think he was the strongest candidate the party has ever nominated.

00:35:45.960 He had a more than credible record as governor of New Mexico of low taxation, less regulation,

00:35:53.200 more freedom. 0.92

00:35:54.440 And it is pathetic as kind of a Ron Paul conservative, which is what I consider myself. 0.73

00:36:03.780 The last vote I cast in a Florida Republican presidential primary was for Congressman Ron 0.95

00:36:11.360 Paul before leaving the party.

00:36:14.260 We have arcane laws here, so there's a long waiting period in switching parties.

00:36:19.080 So I didn't switch parties in time to vote for Donald Trump in 2016 in the Florida primary.

00:36:24.800 But, of course, I was able to vote for him subsequently in the primaries in 2020.

00:36:29.900 The Libertarian Party, as I learned the hard way, has always had different wings.

00:36:37.580 There seems to be a more traditional, conservative, let's call them the sane wing, if we may.

00:36:44.220 And then there's another wing who they seem to be out of their minds.

00:36:48.960 I do not define libertarianism the way they do.

00:36:55.620 Break that down for us, if you would.

00:36:57.360 Yeah, so when actually we were kind of ships in the night when you were going over to Libertarian

00:37:05.840 Party, I was going over to the GOP or shifting slightly in that I was trying to support Ron

00:37:10.720 Paul in 08 and 12.

00:37:12.580 But, you know, I've been a libertarian.

00:37:14.360 I'm a second gen libertarian.

00:37:15.760 Anyways, the the party in that era from 08 through 12, because Ron Paul was toying or

00:37:22.780 attempting to get into the president's into the White House under the GOP banner, many

00:37:27.320 of the good libertarians, the Ron Paulian libertarians, the Misesian, Rothbardian libertarians

00:37:33.080 all essentially shifted over to the GOP because we knew that in Ron Paul we had a real libertarian

00:37:40.680 and we were like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

00:37:43.080 Let's get this guy in there. 0.97

00:37:43.960 In that void, all of the liberal progressive libertarians, I'll scare quotes it, even though

00:37:51.600 they do the same thing to me.

00:37:53.020 They basically took over the Libertarian Party and they dominated it for the next 10 years.

00:37:58.640 And it took until 2022 for Michael Heiss, Angela McArdle, Dave Smith, myself, Tom Woods,

00:38:06.680 a handful of others to essentially stage a coup within the Libertarian Party under the Mises

00:38:11.900 Caucus banner.

00:38:12.880 We did so successfully.

00:38:14.520 We took over the party.

00:38:16.280 But Dave Smith opted not to run for the presidency.

00:38:19.700 I basically stepped in as a surrogate for him under the vice presidency.

00:38:23.920 And and that's that's how we got here.

00:38:26.100 We lost a nail biter, to put it mildly.

00:38:30.680 I detailed it in length on Liberty Lockdown this morning.

00:38:33.420 It's one of the craziest stories ever.

00:38:35.200 But that's that's what happened is the the basically the the very like critical race

00:38:41.180 theory, race conscious libertarians, which I didn't even know they were a thing until

00:38:46.960 I got involved with the Libertarian Party.

00:38:49.240 They took over and the the Misesian Rothbardian Libertarians and the Mises Caucus, we tried

00:38:54.800 to basically take it back.

00:38:56.940 And we came up just just short.

00:38:59.640 But now the party has nominated this fellow, Chase Oliver, who I don't know.

00:39:05.820 He's in favor of transitioning children.

00:39:08.460 He supported mask and vax mandates.

00:39:12.400 Nothing freedom oriented about that.

00:39:14.880 He is for men competing in women's sports.

00:39:18.480 He's for open borders.

00:39:20.980 Where where's the libertarianism?

00:39:22.400 I'm not saying it.

00:39:24.520 Well, for the for the record, I don't know about the mandate aspect of that.

00:39:28.700 If he if he supported mandates, I want to make sure that we get it right, because I don't

00:39:32.740 want to slander the guy unnecessarily.

00:39:34.200 But he was taking photos of himself wearing masks for two years and standing with like a 0.94

00:39:41.340 porcupine shirt with the gay pride rainbow across it and taking pictures with transvestites 0.96

00:39:47.240 and gay pride flags and stuff like that.

00:39:49.220 And he's just he's just very much in this is what I described earlier, like the critical

00:39:53.840 race theory, the race and gender conscious libertarian wing, which, as I said, I don't

00:40:00.880 relate to.

00:40:01.680 I believe that that that falls under critical theory that falls under a hierarchy of oppression,

00:40:08.120 which is not really how libertarians view things.

00:40:10.700 We view things as individualists and as a meritocracy.

00:40:13.620 So I don't understand why the Libertarian Party delegates went with him.

00:40:20.700 It was razor close.

00:40:22.960 And it was ultimately a coalition of the second and third largest, I guess, coalitions that

00:40:29.440 came together in the 23rd hour that barely edged out the Mises Caucus candidates.

00:40:34.360 But yes, I agree with you.

00:40:36.300 I don't see the libertarianism in him very much.

00:40:39.160 I mean, he is to a certain degree anti-war, which I appreciate, but I am not fond of the

00:40:45.400 men.

00:40:45.900 I really am not.

00:40:47.340 And I did everything in my power to prevent him from being our candidate because I think

00:40:51.900 it is going to be the worst turnout the Libertarian Party has ever seen come November.

00:40:57.280 I agree with that analysis.

00:40:59.620 Look, the Libertarian Party has always had trouble attracting a candidate who is able to gather

00:41:06.700 resources.

00:41:07.440 It's a sad fact in America that you have to become well-known and your views have to become

00:41:12.340 well-known before you can win anybody's votes.

00:41:15.340 So nominating an obscure academic or an individual who has no access whatsoever to resources seems

00:41:24.000 to me to be counterproductive.

00:41:26.160 This is why I thought that the nomination of Governor Johnson gave the party a chance to

00:41:32.600 break through.

00:41:33.500 I said this on yesterday's show.

00:41:35.240 I thought it was interesting that in 2012, when I was helping get Governor Gary Johnson

00:41:41.140 on the ballot, I think it was 48 states, and helping his campaign, it was virtually impossible

00:41:47.620 to get any mainstream media coverage.

00:41:50.460 CNN and the rest of the mainstream media just literally pretended like he didn't exist.

00:41:56.400 By the way, they did the same thing to the Green Party candidate.

00:41:59.060 They're committed to the two-party duopoly.

00:42:02.380 Fast forward, and there's another odd aspect of this.

00:42:06.660 Gary Johnson wanted a strong running mate, as did I.

00:42:10.880 Our first choice was former Congressman Barry Goldwater Jr., and we asked him, and he politely

00:42:18.840 declined.

00:42:19.820 He liked Gary.

00:42:20.740 He liked our platform.

00:42:21.660 But he could not leave the party of his father, the party of Lincoln.

00:42:27.080 Our second choice was Governor Bill Weld, the former governor of Massachusetts, who was a

00:42:34.280 friend of mine.

00:42:35.280 I approached Bill Weld, and he told me that I was out of my mind, and that he had no interest

00:42:40.040 in whatsoever, and he intended to remain a Republican.

00:42:44.040 Fast forward to 2016.

00:42:46.220 The party nominates Gary Johnson again, and then suddenly Bill Weld pops up, basically

00:42:53.200 volunteering to be a vice presidential candidate.

00:42:56.480 Once nominated, he spends all of his time attacking Donald Trump and extolling the virtues of Hillary

00:43:02.140 Clinton.

00:43:03.260 I know a setup when I see one.

00:43:06.060 And suddenly, the media discovered that there was a Libertarian Party and that they did have

00:43:11.920 a nominee, and CNN now suddenly is having a town hall for the Libertarian candidates and

00:43:18.200 covering their campaign.

00:43:19.780 Not CNN, just the mainstream media generally.

00:43:22.600 Why?

00:43:23.400 Well, because they thought that he would be draining votes from Donald Trump.

00:43:27.160 That's why.

00:43:27.980 That's how manipulative the media is.

00:43:30.700 Troy, do you have a question for Clint?

00:43:33.740 Absolutely, Clint.

00:43:34.580 We saw Robert F. Kennedy Jr. deliver a speech at this convention, and he actually put his name

00:43:40.060 on the list, or he had his name on the list to be nominated, and we saw he only got 2%

00:43:46.280 of the vote.

00:43:46.760 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:43:48.040 That seems surprising to me.

00:43:50.240 Oh, it's not surprising to me. 0.99

00:43:52.720 Libertarians are the most ideologically possessed, stubborn, psychotic people I have ever engaged 0.99

00:44:01.880 with in my entire life. 0.97

00:44:03.600 We, I mean, we're very principled people, and we do not like outsiders. 1.00

00:44:07.240 We don't like people who are just trying to use us for ballot access, which is clearly

00:44:11.460 what RFK Jr. was attempting to do.

00:44:13.960 Donald Trump doesn't need us for ballot access, so this is why I took his attempts at trying

00:44:21.860 to persuade us into nominating him and all of those things, or at least voting for him.

00:44:27.740 I took that in a much more favorable way, because I know he doesn't need to do that.

00:44:33.860 But RFK Jr., he's got a tremendous amount of un-libertarian policies, particularly in

00:44:38.820 his history.

00:44:39.320 He hasn't been favorable towards gun rights.

00:44:42.640 He's essentially a socialist on economics.

00:44:46.060 So we have major, major areas of disagreement when it comes to policy.

00:44:50.520 I absolutely respect the work he has done in looking into the corruption within the FDA,

00:44:57.920 the CDC, Fauci.

00:44:59.820 I mean, the real Anthony Fauci was an absolute masterpiece of a book, and as someone who

00:45:04.000 named my show Liberty Lockdown, I am very freaking pissed off about the lockdowns, and

00:45:08.360 I love that he has done such an incredible job of highlighting the injustice of that period

00:45:13.140 and where it stemmed from.

00:45:14.300 So, you know, no hard feelings towards RFK Jr., but he's just simply not a libertarian,

00:45:20.220 and that's why he got blown out.

00:45:23.740 I think you make an excellent point.

00:45:27.560 So, Clint, what will you now do?

00:45:29.960 I know there are some in the party calling for you to endorse Chase Oliver.

00:45:34.620 I gather from your postings on social media that that's not your intention.

00:45:41.860 That's correct.

00:45:42.820 I'll keep it family-friendly.

00:45:44.900 That's called understatement.

00:45:47.380 Yeah, yeah, I'll keep it family-friendly, but I have never been a party guy, you know?

00:45:53.400 As I said earlier, like, the only time I voted Republican in my life, or the two times,

00:45:58.220 I guess, was when Ron Paul was in the GOP.

00:46:01.280 Like, that's what I'm about.

00:46:04.260 I am a Ron Paulian.

00:46:05.840 I am not a—yes, I'm a libertarian, and yes, I occasionally participate in libertarian party

00:46:11.820 politics, but I think that the principles, the ideas, the philosophy, and trying to bring

00:46:17.400 our philosophy into reality is what matters most.

00:46:20.020 I am anti-war.

00:46:21.280 I am pro-capitalism.

00:46:22.640 I am pro-property rights.

00:46:24.080 Whatever party, whatever politician gets me closer to that end goal is the conduit that

00:46:29.660 I will use to get there.

00:46:31.420 So, there was a lot of people in the party, particularly because I was running for vice

00:46:34.820 president, particularly because I got 47% of the vote, which shows you how close this

00:46:39.760 divide is in the party.

00:46:40.760 It was, like, razor-thin.

00:46:42.260 Literally 30 or so votes.

00:46:44.680 I mean, it was 31 was the difference between myself and my competitor.

00:46:49.400 So, it was razor-thin, and a lot of people in the party are party politics folks.

00:46:54.520 They're like, ride or die.

00:46:55.640 We stay in the libertarian party, and we support whoever it is.

00:46:59.060 Chase Oliver doesn't represent me, and he doesn't represent the vast, vast, vast majority

00:47:05.040 of libertarians in this country.

00:47:06.900 This ticket is going to implode upon itself because he is appealing to critical, race-conscious

00:47:14.380 leftists, largely.

00:47:16.560 That is who he's going to appeal to.

00:47:18.700 I don't know many of those people to be libertarian.

00:47:21.980 Last I checked, none of them are.

00:47:23.340 So, that's the future of the party in the next six months, and I think you're going

00:47:29.680 to see very little support from the, you know, more influential members of the libertarian

00:47:35.900 party.

00:47:36.300 I just, I don't know of any of them that actually agree with Chase Oliver.

00:47:41.640 We're going to go to a quick commercial break, and when we come back, we're going to talk

00:47:45.580 about the general election implications.

00:47:47.500 As Clint Russell just pointed out, it appears to me at this point that all of the minor party

00:47:53.920 or independent candidates are to the left, and none of them are to the right.

00:47:58.920 Maybe, just maybe, what happened at the Libertarian Party convention could have been the best possible

00:48:04.800 result for Donald Trump.

00:48:06.580 First of all, he went into the lion's den, showing enormous courage.

00:48:09.560 He stood on principle in his call to commute the sentence of Ross Albrecht, and the party

00:48:15.840 nominated someone who I, looking at objectively, looks like a progressive leftist to me.

00:48:22.220 Anyway, this is The Stone Zone.

00:48:23.760 I'm Roger Stone.

00:48:24.720 We'll be right back with our special guest, Clint Russell, when we come back from this commercial

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00:50:35.680 Welcome back, folks.

00:50:36.940 If you're just joining us, I'm Roger Stone and you're in the Stone Zone.

00:50:40.600 I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith and Clint Russell, who has a terrific show of his own,

00:50:46.820 Liberty Lockdown.

00:50:48.680 Clint, where can people go to see your show?

00:50:50.520 Let's get some business done here.

00:50:53.140 Sure.

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00:50:57.080 Also YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, just search Liberty Lockdown, you'll find it.

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00:51:06.640 we have an exclusive deal and we go live most nights.

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00:51:14.520 we were thrilled to have you on a couple weeks ago, Roger.

00:51:17.640 So yeah, those are the shows I do.

00:51:19.660 And people can find me just by searching Liberty Lockdown or at Liberty Lockpot on X.

00:51:25.720 Most excellent.

00:51:26.280 Let's look at the general election now.

00:51:29.400 What did you think of my theory that from Donald Trump's point of view, this was the best possible

00:51:34.980 result?

00:51:35.640 In other words, Chase Oliver is not going to appeal to anyone who might have been voting

00:51:40.640 for Donald Trump.

00:51:41.360 Well, you're obviously right.

00:51:44.580 I mean, I can't deny it.

00:51:46.480 But what's weird about it is that what made this happen was the it was the oppositional

00:51:53.520 party to the more right leaning libertarians at the libertarian party.

00:51:58.120 The people that despise Donald Trump are now the ones that are responsible for handing

00:52:04.840 the vast majority of libertarian votes to Donald Trump.

00:52:08.460 And the bizarre thing, like the crazy irony, is that they have been accusing the Mises caucus

00:52:13.220 of wanting to assist Donald Trump when, in fact, we were all like, no, we're Ron Paul.

00:52:18.840 Like, you know, Trump's not bad on many things, but we're Ron Paul guys, and that's why we

00:52:24.460 want to have a messenger that reflects us in totality. 0.95

00:52:27.740 And now so many of us are left going, well, if it's Chase Oliver, who's a guaranteed loser,

00:52:34.300 who's going to mislead America as to what libertarianism is, or it's Donald Trump who's

00:52:41.400 going to, who promises, and I hope, I pray he will.

00:52:44.300 I know Lynn Albrecht, I know Ross's mother, if, if Donald Trump is going to pardon Ross

00:52:49.720 Albrecht, if he's going to, you know, assist us in avoiding World War Three, which was one 0.69

00:52:53.900 of my biggest concerns.

00:52:55.520 Yeah, it's going to be real hard not to cast a vote for the guy come November.

00:52:59.000 Now, I haven't endorsed anybody, and I haven't decided definitively what I'll do.

00:53:03.100 But I know for a fact, I am not voting for Chase Oliver.

00:53:07.560 All right, so we'll put you down as undecided, maybe pliable with steaks and martinis.

00:53:13.220 We'll see soon.

00:53:14.300 But we certainly, we certainly want your vote.

00:53:18.240 I do think the Libertarian Party, unfortunately, may have now be moving into complete irrelevance.

00:53:25.100 I mean, I see them actually getting the lowest vote they've ever gotten with this candidate.

00:53:31.280 And anyone who is a Libertarian will recognize that Donald Trump is the only president in modern

00:53:37.880 times to not only not start any new foreign wars, but to bring many of our men and women

00:53:43.960 in uniform home to the United States without having the countries they're leaving collapse

00:53:49.220 behind them into the hands of our enemies.

00:53:52.220 That alone, that is a Libertarian credential, particularly when you consider that during the presidency, there were those in his administration and those in the permanent power structure pushing

00:54:05.660 him relentlessly towards war, something that he resisted.

00:54:09.680 Remember a great story he told about a drone was shot down and the those of the Pentagon wanted

00:54:17.400 him to retaliate.

00:54:18.880 Trump said, well, how many people were killed on the drone?

00:54:21.260 They said, none, sir.

00:54:22.340 There were none killed.

00:54:23.140 And he said, well, you want me to go to World War Three over that?

00:54:26.860 It's an excellent answer.

00:54:28.680 All right.

00:54:29.060 Final question for Troy Smith.

00:54:30.980 Then we got to move it along.

00:54:32.360 Troy, you have a question for our guest.

00:54:35.640 Absolutely.

00:54:36.240 So as far as the future, Clint, where do you see the party going from here?

00:54:40.100 Because Roger said they're in danger, really, of falling into total irrelevance.

00:54:44.420 Do you see Libertarians sticking around looking to write things or is it just too early to make that call?

00:54:50.100 Or do you think that they will kind of coalesce around Donald Trump in total?

00:54:54.840 Yeah, it's very hard to say at this junction because it's still very fresh.

00:54:59.380 You know, we honestly thought that there was a very good chance that we would maintain control

00:55:03.680 of the party and have a Michael Rechtenwald, Clint Russell ticket in the vein of Ron Paul

00:55:09.180 and Dave Smith that would absolutely galvanize the populist, slightly more right-leaning Libertarian

00:55:15.820 Party folks or Libertarians, not even LP members, but Libertarian voters all over this country.

00:55:21.560 We would have inspired them and got them to vote for the Libertarian Party.

00:55:25.460 That ain't happening now.

00:55:27.440 The people that are pissed at lockdowns are not going to vote for Chase Oliver, who was

00:55:32.220 essentially justifying or playing along with the biggest psychological operation, the most

00:55:39.700 criminal civil rights infringement I've ever experienced in my life.

00:55:43.860 So they're not going to vote for them.

00:55:45.580 I promise you that.

00:55:47.060 So yeah, I think that the party is in danger of serious irrelevancy.

00:55:52.540 And it's really going to boil down to, in my opinion, whether or not Dave Smith or myself

00:55:57.400 decides to run in 28.

00:55:59.420 But for this cycle, it's over.

00:56:02.160 I mean, there is absolutely no Libertarians that I consider my brethren are going to be

00:56:07.620 supporting this ticket.

00:56:08.360 All right.

00:56:10.560 I'm afraid we have to wrap it up.

00:56:12.120 Let me thank our guest, Clint Russell.

00:56:14.900 Clint, you have a permanent invitation here at the Stone Zone to come back at any time.

00:56:19.780 I've enjoyed this enormously.

00:56:21.640 And I urge folks to go to Liberty Lockdown right here on Rumble to see Clint's great show.

00:56:26.960 And I look forward to being back with you and Luke Rutkowski again.

00:56:30.100 That was a great show.

00:56:31.360 I'd love to do it again.

00:56:33.080 Absolutely, Roger.

00:56:33.980 That was maybe my favorite episode we've done in the six months or so we've been doing it.

00:56:38.440 You are an almanac of deep state history.

00:56:41.040 You know, the ins and outs in a way that I find just absolutely fascinating.

00:56:45.280 So yes, thank you again, Roger.

00:56:46.880 And thank you for having me, Troy.

00:56:49.100 All right.

00:56:50.140 Thank you to Clint Russell.

00:56:51.680 Well, I think we're at the end of the show here, folks.

00:56:55.280 We appreciate your joining us.

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00:57:14.000 Go to the store there and pick up any books, T-shirts or other products because, well, we need your support.

00:57:20.860 Until tomorrow, I'm Roger Stone.

00:57:23.400 This has been the Stone Zone.

00:57:24.820 God bless you and Godspeed.

00:57:27.160 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him.

00:57:36.140 Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.

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00:57:39.640 Where's Roger Stone?

00:57:40.740 Yeah.

00:57:41.280 Yeah.

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00:57:46.220 He's married.

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