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00:08:48.720You know, look, Elon Musk is clearly a genius.
00:09:00.720And I think he and President Trump have extraordinary chemistry.
00:09:04.720And therefore, yes, he wants nothing for himself, first of all.
00:09:10.720He is going to head a committee on government efficiency.
00:09:15.720I love the fact that he asked former Congressman Ron Paul to join the committee.
00:09:20.720Somebody's been talking about wasting government spending for decades.
00:09:26.720He's going to have a disproportionate amount of influence.
00:09:30.720You can see that the fake news media is apoplectic about this.
00:09:36.720Yesterday there was a story, and I've checked, it's completely fraudulent, that the Trump staff is frustrated by Elon's presence at Mar-a-Lago.
00:09:46.720NBC, these people are running dog lackeys for the deep state.
00:09:52.720Virtually nothing they report is either true or accurate.
00:09:56.720So, look, I think Elon is not only a great man, obviously a great advocate for free speech, a very positive influence on this administration.
00:10:26.720Troy, Tom Barrick is one of President Donald Trump's oldest friends.
00:10:31.720Tom Barrick, who heads Colony Capital, a real estate investment fund in California, first met Donald Trump decades ago when he was working for the Bass Brothers.
00:10:46.720And Donald Trump bought the Plaza Hotel in New York from the Bass Brothers.
00:10:52.720Tom Barrick, who was then working for the Bass Brothers before he struck out and made a fortune on his own, went to New York expecting to negotiate the sale with some Trump Organization staff lawyer.
00:11:06.720But instead, he ended up negotiating the sale in a complicated negotiation with Donald Trump himself.
00:11:27.720Tom paid a very high price because he was an advocate for the Abraham Accords.
00:11:33.720That's because he's Lebanese and it's what he believed in.
00:11:38.720Federal prosecutors later came back and charged him, claiming that he had to file a foreign agents registration act because he had talked to the president on behalf of the Abraham Accords.
00:11:53.720Their claim was that because certain interests in the Middle East had invested in his real estate investment firm or trust, I guess it was, that there was some quid pro quo.
00:12:08.720The problem was it's a long term hold fund.
00:12:12.720So, yes, he had Middle Eastern money in his fund, but it was deposited 16 years ago, 16 years before Donald Trump became president, 16 years before anyone could possibly know that Trump was going to be president.
00:12:27.720They tried to, just as they did with me, they tried to pressure Tom Barrick into testifying falsely against his friend Donald Trump.
00:14:01.720And I think what the country now has decided is that all the rhetoric, all the confusion, all the drama around how it may be presented.
00:14:11.720This is not only one of the greatest political athletes that we've ever seen.
00:14:16.720He's just one of the greatest athletes.
00:14:19.720But the question, I think, on what 2.0 is, is it's going to be hopeful, phenomenal, and much better, I think, than even the other side in fear of what might be coming will accept.
00:14:35.720Why? Because think about it, in 2016, we were together.
00:14:41.720You have a man who's one of the best builder, developers, financiers in the world, a reality talk show host for 13 years on The Apprentice.
00:14:49.720Zero political experience, zero Washington experience, right?
00:14:53.720And if you had to go out of the 2-1-2 area code in those days, it was a flurry.
00:15:00.720Comes to Washington, putting a team together, right?
00:15:05.720We all thought we were putting the best team together.
00:17:53.720Because there are ways to succeed inside the system.
00:17:56.720Trump in many ways has succeeded in spite of the system.
00:18:01.720And now he kind of wants to burn it down.
00:18:05.720Is burning it down in principle, is the risks that you take in burning it down, the risks
00:18:13.720The risks that you take with the rule of law, the risks that you take with civil rights, the risks that you take with military competence, the risks that you take with financial markets, are they worth it?
00:18:23.200Are they worth the prize that potentially is there at the end of the day when you've burnt it down?
00:18:29.940Absolutely. And he's not burning it down. And the price is freedom in America, right?
00:18:35.160I mean, that's what we're looking for, is the American dream to be reinstated.
00:18:39.320So if you look at how he's doing, it's analog to digital, right?
00:18:42.980We have a federal government that is not corrupt. The Justice Department itself, we all talk about that as kind of the mainstay of the focus of these atrocities that have happened.
00:18:54.740Steve Bannon in jail, 27 of his associates indicted. What they've done to him time in and time out, in my opinion, is not because Merrick Garland is corrupt or Lisa Monaco is corrupt or the civil servants, the 94 U.S. attorneys that are there.
00:19:11.100They're not corrupt. They're corroded. The system doesn't work. You have to change the system.
00:19:16.700And the only way you can change the system is from the bottom and from the top. And yes, he's going to do it.
00:19:22.800His appointments absolutely understand the program. Congress now is on site. But by the way, Congress is not so easy, right?
00:19:31.440If you're a senator in Congress, you don't want your fiefdoms to be totally taken away from you with someone else's decision.
00:19:39.860So his artfulness in dealing with Congress will be better. But these people are first class choices. Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy just now.
00:19:47.780You make it sound so reasonable. But even some Republicans look at a nomination of a Matt Gaetz say and think to themselves, WTF, what is Trump doing?
00:20:03.480Is that a serious nomination or is that sort of a joke or perhaps a maneuver of some sort?
00:20:14.360Obviously, I can't speak for the president. I can tell you it's not a joke. So what is he doing? He's disintermediating everything.
00:20:21.900We've lived in 10 years of disintermediation of everything that we've known, right?
00:20:26.440Every company that was AAA 10 years ago is almost nonexistent today. So it's the same thing.
00:20:36.660Matt Gaetz, his pick of a Matt Gaetz going into something like the Justice Department, right?
00:20:41.240When you think of the thousands of GS-12s, GS-11s, GS-10s, lawyers, FBI agents, it has to have some chilling effect.
00:23:51.280So in the Justice Department, and I'm getting to why Trump, Trump has gone through this in spades.
00:23:56.020Nobody knows what it does to your life.
00:23:58.680This man can suffer, absorb more pain than any human being I have ever seen.
00:24:04.700What it does to lives, what it's done to the lives of all the people around, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, they've all been attacked.
00:24:12.320So for me coming back and saying I was honored to be a part of it, I went through this system, and I admire the system, and I don't have anger, revenge, even at the people who brought those charges against me.
00:24:27.000I understand what they're doing, but it's got to be fixed.
00:24:31.960It has to end not prosecuting Democrats, not prosecuting the existing prosecutors, not prosecuting the political people who were there before.
00:24:46.560Should Donald Trump, as one of his first acts as president, pardon anybody who might otherwise be prosecuted for the same reasons on the Democratic side?
00:25:20.900I don't think the president is obsessed with revenge or retribution.
00:25:26.760I think he understands that the way to go down in history among our greatest presidents, along with Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, is to unite the country.
00:25:42.500And the way he's going to unite the country.
00:25:44.700He understands that the country is with a robust economy because a rising tide lifts all boats.
00:25:50.840He understands that the cornerstone to restoring our economic strength is low energy prices.
00:25:58.800That, in turn, will give him the resources necessary to deal with the problem of affordable housing, to deal with the problem of more job opportunities.
00:26:10.080He's, as I think it was Ronald Reagan who said, the greatest social welfare program in the world is a good job.
00:26:17.420So, this is what I think Trump's legacy will be.
00:26:21.140Yes, he's appointed a controversial and potentially a very tough attorney general who I think is going to examine fairly whether there are some in the previous administration, such as John Brennan or James Comey or Susan Rice, who acted in a treasonous manner.
00:26:43.400That's not that's not that's not persecution in my case today happens to be the I think the fourth anniversary of my conviction and all of the stories that will report that none of them will mention that the judge in my case withheld from my defense attorneys Robert Mueller's final fully unredacted report.
00:27:08.460They would allow me to allow me to use it in my defense, even though the Constitution says that a defendant is allowed to see all of the evidence against them.
00:27:17.660Now we know why, because BuzzFeed sued the Justice Department and finally got the unredacted report.
00:27:26.060Now, I'm sure the folks at BuzzFeed, which is now out of business, thought that this would be embarrassing to me, but on the contrary, it was completely exonerating.
00:27:36.000You can read it for yourself, but you'll have trouble finding it because the Washington Post and the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and CNN and MSNBC and ABC and CBS never reported it.
00:27:50.780But Robert Mueller concluded that he could find no evidence of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration on my part.
00:27:59.900He went on to say that even if he had found such evidence, which he didn't, that he had concluded that those activities would not have been illegal.
00:28:10.960So my family and I were put through hell for process crimes, for allegedly lying under oath to Congress in voluntary testimony.
00:28:42.340The things I was charged with were immaterial.
00:28:46.340And then the sentencing recommendation of the prosecutors in my case wanted to give me additional jail time for crimes I had never been charged or convicted of.
00:29:00.980They said in the report that I had been involved in foreign interference in the election.
00:29:30.940Up in the tiny dot in the upper left-hand corner, there is a logo for the organization, Corruption Central, which produced the original image.
00:29:44.320If you look very closely, it's based on a Celtic cross.
00:29:49.660I got a sworn affidavit from the graphic artist who designed it, and he said, no, it had nothing to do with a rifle crosshair.
00:29:59.840But by the end of the day, every major news outlet said that I had posted a photo of the judge in my case with a rifle crosshairs over her face.
00:30:21.780So I'm going to be writing that today to point out the falsity of those who are celebrating my conviction, for which I have a full and unconditional presidential pardon.
00:30:35.900I guess it was now four years ago today, I believe.
00:30:42.200Well, Roger, we have a lot to get to today in the video department.
00:30:46.340One of our favorites here at the Stone Zone, Dan Goldman, has, you know, the Democrats are really spinning in their wheels because they're trying to figure out why they just got destroyed in an election, not only in the popular vote, but in the Electoral College as well.
00:31:01.780It's very tough for them in their world of anti-Trump hate to cope with the fact that a majority of Americans want Trump to lead the country.
00:31:11.100So one of the things that they're now throwing around in Congress, they've actually filed a resolution on this, Roger, is a resolution stating that Trump can only serve two terms.
00:31:43.220Yes, it is very clear, which is why it should be very easy for every single Republican member of Congress to vote in favor of this resolution.
00:31:52.180But Donald Trump, as you point out, Chris, has joked, quote, unquote, about many different things, including, as I remember, in 2018, he joked about pardoning himself.
00:32:02.480And then that became completely normalized, and everyone just expected him to pardon himself if he won this time.
00:32:37.660This is the same Dan Goldman, the trust fund baby who purchased himself a seat in Congress from New York's Silk Stocking District of Manhattan.
00:32:46.420He is a man who said that Donald Trump needed to be eliminated just weeks before an assassination— pardon me, an assassin tried to do exactly that.
00:33:00.340He also, when Kash Patel set up a foundation to help those whistleblowers in the FBI who were fired—not fired, pardon me, suspended, so they couldn't go get a job elsewhere, but suspended without pay.
00:33:17.400Today, when Kash Patel set up a foundation to raise money to support the whistleblowers' families, Dan Goldman accused him of paying them for false testimony, which is, of course, a lie.
00:33:32.360Now, Dan Goldman is in a contest with Jamie Raskin to see who can be the most irresponsible and dishonest member of Congress.
00:33:41.740I still think Raskin's in the lead, but Goldman's moving up on him quickly.
00:33:48.640Well, it's just unbelievable to see, you know, and the process is very straightforward, Roger.
00:33:53.540I mean, these are guys, like Dan Goldman particularly, they go into committee hearings, and they did this to you.
00:33:58.680And I believe it was Jamie Raskin that came out and said that he had definite evidence that you had colluded with Russia.
00:34:05.500And he was telling news outlets this based on privileged classified information that he had received behind closed doors.
00:34:11.920We found out that's a total lie, but can you comment on that?
00:34:14.360Because that's what these people do, right?
00:34:15.940They go into classified hearings, they run out to the media, and they start spewing lies based on that classified information.
00:34:22.440I'd like to see in this next Republican Congress, Roger, them start to take action against people who do this.
00:34:27.900Because these are classified hearings, and to go out and misrepresent what you hear to the press for your own political benefit, I mean, that's just horrible.
00:34:38.440So in the House Intelligence Committee hearings, theoretically, under the House rules, there's supposed to be no discussion of what happens in a classified hearing.
00:34:48.440Yet, within hours of my testimony, you had Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, who we now know was penetrating a red Chinese spy who was in turn penetrating his office.
00:35:03.880He was entitled to classified information.
00:35:08.360God knows how much of it he passed on to the Chinese spy.
00:35:12.160You also had that half-pint congressman from Texas, whose name escapes me, all saying that I had perjured myself, which was not true.
00:35:25.880At least they didn't used to apply for them.
00:35:28.560Adam Schiff not only violated House rules, he violated the law in the Russian collusion hoax.
00:35:36.820And right now, my guess is that he's crapping his pants over the fact that you may have in Matt Gaetz, an attorney general who is committed to the rule of law.
00:35:49.100Really funny to watch Eric Swalwell yesterday say that Matt Gaetz is not a serious person.
00:35:56.180Eric Swalwell, who has an IQ of 70 on a good day.
00:36:02.400I mean, this stuff would be funny if it wasn't true.
00:36:06.660But the Democrats really fear those who have violated the law.
00:36:14.180That's why when I was on with Clayton Morris yesterday on Unredacted, his great show, I still said that my number one fear was yet another assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
00:36:27.900Now, that would sound like a crazy conspiracy theory, but for the fact that they've already tried to kill him twice that we know of.
00:36:38.860So that remains my greatest fear, because the president is signaling that Washington is not going to be business as usual.
00:36:51.300There's a new sheriff in town, and we're going to live under the rule of law, not the perversion of the rule of law that we saw under the Biden administration and before that, the Obama administration.
00:37:06.620Well, and Roger, there's been a lot of warnings from D.C. about Jack Smith and his investigation and the idea that he's going to walk away.
00:37:17.660He's resigning, but he's going to release his report before Trump takes power.
00:37:21.320And we have an article from Fox News where top GOP senators are warning the DOJ to preserve all the documents in the Jack Smith investigation.
00:37:33.020And they're even citing past destruction of records here.
00:37:36.880So they're saying, you guys have a history of deleting and destroying anything that might incriminate you.
00:37:41.780We want to take a look at this investigation.
00:37:44.220We want to take a look at what's going on.
00:37:46.040What do you have to say about this warning from GOP senators?
00:37:50.660Is there anything that we can do here to prevent them from basically shredding everything that incriminates them?
00:37:58.820Look, I'm glad that Jack Smith has recognized that, based on the Supreme Court decision, that he is unable to prosecute a sitting president, which Donald Trump is going to be.
00:38:11.160There are some who suggest that the indictments of Trump should be frozen in time so that he can be tried after the Trump presidency.
00:39:01.820So I happen to think, just based, not on any contact with Judge Cannon, who I've never met in my life, never seen, never communicated with, but I can read.
00:39:12.300I read all of the filings from both sides in the so-called document case.
00:39:17.400And I was also familiar with the argument about the constitutionality of Smith's appointment.
00:39:22.840Now, that has been, had been appealed to the 11th Circuit, which comprises Florida.
00:39:29.860I don't know what the 11th Circuit would have done, but I'm not sure it matters whether they had upheld Cannon or upheld Smith.
00:39:38.060The question was going to go to the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:39:41.360I think, just my opinion, that the Supreme Court would find, despite what Andrew Weissman may say or Neil Keitel or any of these other criminals who are on MSNBC, that Smith's appointment is indeed unconstitutional.
00:39:59.100Well, if Smith's appointment was unconstitutional, well, then so was Robert Mueller's.
00:40:04.480Robert Mueller, that was challenged in the D.C. Circuit, and it was wrongly decided.
00:40:12.020So, but if the Supreme Court ruled that Smith was unconstitutionally appointed, then it is logical to conclude that Mueller was also unconstitutionally appointed.
00:40:26.900And frankly, my lawyers would have moved to completely vacate the charges against me.
00:40:31.820I believe that General Flynn would do the same, probably Paul Manafort as well.
00:40:37.820Unfortunately, we will never have that opportunity now because Smith has announced that he will drop his cases, in essence, and resign.
00:40:47.820But I think there needs to be an examination of whether Jack Smith was coordinating the prosecution of Donald Trump in Georgia and in New York in at least two cases there, because I believe there's more than ample evidence that he was.
00:41:07.240That is a legitimate question, and I hope if Matt Gaetz gets to be attorney general or whoever the next attorney general ends up to be, presumably Gaetz, that they will look into that because it is an egregious violation of law.
00:41:22.940What's driving Democrats and the establishment media crazy is they're now finally going to be held responsible for their lies.
00:41:33.100They're going to be held accountable for the tsunami of disinformation in their efforts to destroy Donald Trump.
00:41:43.660Look, they tried to keep him off the ballot in 50 states, all the while telling us that they were protecting democracy.
00:42:04.300You can feel it when you go out in the streets.
00:42:07.120You know, I usually, when I go to the grocery store, I wear sunglasses and a hat because I just don't want to argue with abusive leftists who want to get into it with you, not interested.
00:42:20.520Day before yesterday, my wife wanted me to pick some things up at the grocery store.
00:42:24.740I wore, for the first time ever, a Trump T-shirt that Anthony Constantino at StickerMutal.com gave to me.
00:42:33.540It says in giant letters, Trump for peace.
00:42:36.880And I wore it, and I was amazed at how many people came up to me who I think previously would have said nothing to tell me that they voted for Trump and they were glad that he won.
00:42:47.180And here's the great thing, Troy, I would say that as many as 20 people stopped me in the grocery store to tell me that they voted for Trump and they were glad that he won.
00:42:57.080And of those 20, 17 were African-Americans.
00:43:01.220Now, that's not a scientific sample, but it does say an awful lot.
00:43:26.400And, you know, I feel that in every clip that we play here, Roger, these people panicking.
00:43:32.500You know, the, I mean, people like George Conway ran advertisements in this election with Trump's father, like a, like transparent image of Trump's father.
00:43:44.800It's like talking, saying, I'm ashamed of you, talking to Trump.
00:43:49.000I mean, that level of hatred, Roger, is something that, it's not just something we haven't seen in politics.
00:43:56.440And I think one of the amazing things about Trump that we don't really talk about is the level to which he's pulled the rope and the curtain away from the media.
00:44:07.500And we see how really vicious and evil these people really are.
00:44:14.400People on MSNBC, they're out of their minds.
00:44:16.980And the fact that we are supposed to look to them, you know, people like, I have to scratch and fight for slingshot news to be respected.
00:44:25.960And people, like we talked to Michael Knowles yesterday, independent media people, we have to scratch and fight.
00:44:31.560Meanwhile, they got people like Joy Reid up there on MSNBC, who says that the president was never shot, that he, when Trump fell down on the stage, this is what she claims.
00:44:42.520He took out a blood capsule and bit it and spread the blood on his face to fake that he was shot.
00:44:51.220That's legitimately what Joy Reid claims happened when Trump was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:44:58.880No one ever questions her credibility.
00:45:00.500But people like me, people like Michael Knowles, people like yourself, you know, we're not credible.
00:45:04.320And it's just something we have to address in this administration.
00:45:07.740We have to see media get more involved.
00:45:11.120We have to see more independent media and we have to see the president, I hope, and his administration honor that independent media more than what we see, you know, in the mainstream media, which is just getting worse and worse.
00:45:24.200Roger, we have another story that I want to get your comment on, you know, because true social really, I know Twitter was very important and X, you know, eventually probably was the main factor in Trump winning this election.
00:45:36.200But true social was really instrumental before that in getting Trump's voice back.
00:45:41.980You see, before true social, Trump was not allowed to post anywhere.
00:45:45.640And it wasn't until he started posting there that that Elon Musk eventually took over Twitter.
00:45:50.760And I think the Democrats see this, Roger, and they're very angry about it.
00:45:54.600So they have launched a new effort to kind of rival true social with this Twitter clone called Blue Sky.
00:46:02.000And they've paid these large Hollywood people like George Takai and Ben Stiller and others to go over to Blue Sky and to tweet about Democrat politics.
00:49:40.240But then when the people claiming to be me are taken down, they just pop up again later, hours later, making a slight change in the handle name.
00:54:50.860I mean, more ways than you can really count.
00:54:52.480And as you've kind of talked about here on the show today, surviving that media frenzy where they get all of these, you know, the Daily Beast, the Guardian, you know, all these groups they put out, the New Republic.
00:55:04.520They put out all these articles in a coordinated fashion.
00:55:07.980And even the mainstream news gets on it.
00:55:10.740To survive that for the amount of time that Alex Jones has and the fact that Infowars continues to triumph, it's pretty amazing.
00:55:18.160And one thing real quickly, Roger, I want to say on the Facebook front with the fake profiles, one thing I did notice, you know, I know a few people who have been lifetime banned from Facebook.
00:55:28.360And if you look on Facebook and you look at the names of these profiles and you go into the fake profiles and the descriptions that they have, it almost leads always back to a thing called QFS.
00:55:41.260And it's this weird quantum financial system that people talk about.
00:55:46.340And if you trace it all back, it comes back to some of the most hardcore right-wing conspiracy theorists, the most dangerous people on the Internet, really.
00:55:54.720The people that the mainstream media tells us are destroying lives and hurting people and spreading propaganda.
00:56:05.720But the impersonators, the people, these hardcore conspiracy theorists that literally steal money from people, they're allowed to operate.
00:56:12.980And it's why we have to have channels like this, Roger, here on Rumble, where people can follow us, rumble.com slash Roger Stone.
00:56:19.860And also on the Stone Zone, where you put up your radio show and you put up clips of the show.
00:56:24.940I mean, it's just it's so important for us to have those communication channels.
00:56:28.780And you, Roger, having the experience you do, you remember a time when you didn't have access to independent media and you were really at the will of the mainstream media.
00:56:37.680It must be nice to have have a voice today.
00:57:07.200But if you miss it there, you want to see it later in the day, well, download the Rumble app to your phone and sign up at rumble.com slash Roger Stone.
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00:57:26.980We try to bring you the best political analysis out there.
00:57:31.380Troy Smith will not be attending the swearing in of Larry Hogan as the U.S. senator from Maryland because too bad Larry lost.
00:57:41.740Anyway, until tomorrow, God bless you.