The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:05.860 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.

00:00:09.180 Reported to you yesterday that Sirius XM has terminated the $100 million a year contact for Howard Stern.

00:00:19.060 Joining us now is radio legend Eric Mancow Mueller, better known as The Mancow,

00:00:26.380 who went head-to-head with Howard Stern in the Chicago radio market and vanquished Stern.

00:00:34.380 He is a longtime critic of Stern.

00:00:37.000 In my own case, not only did I never understand Stern's humor,

00:00:41.800 but I hated the way that he loved to utilize Donald Trump to boost his ratings before Trump was in politics,

00:00:48.360 but then turned on Trump like a rabid dog once Trump decided to make America great again.

00:00:56.380 Joining me now is The Mancow.

00:00:59.140 He stormed into the Chicago radio scene, originally with Mancow's Morning Madhouse,

00:01:05.280 emerging as a giant in the radio industry, known for his daring stunts, his sharp wit,

00:01:12.940 his vivid character, and his boundless charm.

00:01:16.320 But his abilities extend far beyond radio.

00:01:20.220 He's a best-selling author, appeared on several hit TV and reality shows.

00:01:25.960 I am proud to bring on my friend Mancow.

00:01:30.480 He is a gourmand, a boulevardier, a bon vivant, a man about town, a raconteur,

00:01:38.220 and a man from whom I have learned virtually everything I know about radio.

00:01:44.440 Mancow, welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:01:46.300 Roger, thank you.

00:01:47.900 Love you, brother.

00:01:49.400 You know, I don't know where to begin.

00:01:50.720 Let me thank you for the intro.

00:01:53.620 The Die Hard movie with Bruce Willis is what I hear about a lot now.

00:01:56.840 People want to see who I am, and Bruce is not going to be doing many more.

00:02:01.580 Look, my battle with Stern is epic.

00:02:04.340 I have all the files from radio.

00:02:07.660 I can reveal a lot of stuff to you.

00:02:09.320 But what I want to say, the main point I want to get out is Oprah was allowed to do all kinds

00:02:14.740 of assertive things and excretory things, and so was Stern, that I wasn't allowed to do

00:02:18.840 because I was conservative.

00:02:21.000 I'm a freedom lover.

00:02:22.040 I'm a libertarian.

00:02:22.920 I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy.

00:02:24.680 And I've been saying it for 30 years, and people thought I was crazy, of course.

00:02:27.920 But these people were propped up.

00:02:29.720 And we see now, without USAID and other government help, they don't exist.

00:02:33.240 They're going away.

00:02:34.140 People like Colbert.

00:02:35.100 Kimmel was my sportscaster.

00:02:36.440 And you tell people this 20 years ago, 10 years ago, and they think you're crazy.

00:02:41.480 They think, just like everybody would argue with me, that you were a Russian spy.

00:02:45.820 And so you feel like a crazy man because you know the truth.

00:02:48.960 Howard Stern was set upon the American radioscape.

00:02:51.480 Believe me, we have to deal with the FCC, a government agency.

00:02:54.400 And I got fines and hassles every single day.

00:02:57.640 Man, Cal, you said the F word.

00:02:58.840 No, I didn't.

00:02:59.680 But I still had to hire a lawyer and fight it against the government.

00:03:02.320 Well, Stern got a free pass.

00:03:03.880 In every audience survey and in every market where I competed against him, I didn't just hold my own.

00:03:10.340 I kicked his ass.

00:03:11.960 And I destroyed him.

00:03:13.080 And people given a choice always wanted me, look, he was there for one reason.

00:03:16.900 Yes, he gave you cake and circus and all the BS.

00:03:20.340 He was allowed to talk about boobies and get the young men.

00:03:23.060 But it was really about neutering men and making them into good little subservient communists.

00:03:28.260 And I'm not kidding you.

00:03:29.460 He was a mouthpiece, a propagandist, and a sellout.

00:03:32.120 So just like the freak shows would have a great banner and you would go into the freak show and it would always be a letdown, the same thing, you get your boobies.

00:03:40.580 Oh, he's so naughty.

00:03:41.820 And then you get in and it's a good neutering of men. 1.00

00:03:45.500 And I always hated the guy.

00:03:47.600 And I will relieve myself on his grave.

00:03:51.360 And that is not something I'm just saying.

00:03:54.740 I'm going to do it.

00:03:55.300 I'm going to post it online.

00:03:56.600 He is the devil.

00:03:57.760 And good riddance.

00:03:58.620 Man, Cal, you have to stop mincing words.

00:04:02.860 You have to stop holding back.

00:04:04.380 You need to tell my audience what you really think.

00:04:07.260 Look, I recall that Howard Stern often used the N-word.

00:04:13.940 He did a number of routines in blackface.

00:04:16.920 None of that is acceptable then or today.

00:04:19.820 But somehow he got away with it in a way that no one else could do.

00:04:25.160 Why do you think that is?

00:04:26.780 I said it.

00:04:28.740 And again, oh, it's spoiled sport, man, Cal.

00:04:32.040 And look, I was offered to replace him in New York.

00:04:35.280 And David Lee Roth got in there.

00:04:37.380 And that's a very long story.

00:04:39.100 But look, it's fake.

00:04:41.720 It's fake.

00:04:43.320 Why is Anderson Cooper?

00:04:45.020 I mean, my numbers dwarfed Anderson Cooper and all these guys.

00:04:47.900 So they're promoted because their agenda.

00:04:50.580 It's government licensed.

00:04:52.740 The same thing when I had better numbers than, you know, the Daily Show.

00:04:57.640 And I went and talked to Comedy Central.

00:05:00.320 Well, you have to be liberal, right?

00:05:02.060 Well, no, I'm a freedom guy.

00:05:03.640 I'm a populist guy.

00:05:04.780 Ah, can't do it.

00:05:05.860 So, look, you've been – look at the dumbing down of society, Roger.

00:05:10.520 Listen to the music.

00:05:11.800 Look at the TV shows.

00:05:13.200 Look at the movies.

00:05:14.420 This is all by design.

00:05:16.380 I was at Comic-Con for a week with a guy that played Flash Gordon, Sam Jones.

00:05:20.320 And I don't know if you remember that old movie, Flash Gordon, 1982 Queen soundtrack.

00:05:24.520 But you should see what passes for men now.

00:05:27.140 They're all soft around the middle.

00:05:28.640 They don't have an opinion.

00:05:29.560 They're wearing flip-flops and shorts.

00:05:32.480 And they're just – they're nothing.

00:05:34.360 And their children are even worse.

00:05:36.080 The schools have dumbed us down.

00:05:37.400 There's chemicals in the water.

00:05:38.800 And they've given us entertainment that is to neuter you. 0.69

00:05:42.220 And that's why.

00:05:43.940 Because the government backing – how am I going to fight the government?

00:05:47.180 I was asked to run – you know about this.

00:05:48.700 You were going to be part of my campaign.

00:05:50.580 I was asked to run against J.B. Pritzker here in Illinois.

00:05:53.020 He's our governor, complete communist.

00:05:54.920 But he's a billionaire.

00:05:56.580 What do you do?

00:05:57.620 It's all scripted.

00:05:58.500 It's all fake.

00:05:59.200 And the people are really getting the short end of the stick.

00:06:04.420 I have to agree with everything you say.

00:06:07.820 Let me ask you a few subjective questions.

00:06:09.760 You are probably the number one rock and roll fan in the country.

00:06:14.000 You are an aficionado of great rock.

00:06:18.960 What is the greatest rock band of all time?

00:06:21.440 Wow.

00:06:21.800 Thank you.

00:06:22.240 I introduced John Lodge of the Moody Blues the last two nights in Chicago.

00:06:26.900 I was instrumental in getting the Moody Blues in the Rocker Hall of Fame.

00:06:29.960 They have seven albums, starting with Days of Future Past, I think, are masterpieces.

00:06:34.240 The Beatles are great, of course.

00:06:35.420 The Who, The Stones, et cetera.

00:06:37.060 But when you talk about perfect albums – and every one of their albums had clunkers – but

00:06:40.960 perfect albums without clunkers, you're talking about seven Moody Blues albums.

00:06:44.480 Question of Balance is probably the masterpiece.

00:06:46.560 I love the Kinks.

00:06:48.000 And they played my wedding.

00:06:50.080 There's a lot of great rock bands.

00:06:51.180 But I would have to say the Moody Blues, which nobody would agree with.

00:06:55.240 But that's my stance.

00:06:56.420 And then the Kinks.

00:06:58.260 Well, I can definitely testify for your love at the Kinks because the last time I was a

00:07:02.940 guest at your home in Chicago, outside of Chicago, you played the album 12 times in

00:07:07.960 a row.

00:07:08.540 It was like background music.

00:07:10.940 It was really great.

00:07:12.180 I'm also a fan of the Kinks.

00:07:14.460 In your opinion – it's a tough one – the greatest rock guitarist of all time.

00:07:19.800 Well, you know, I love Rick Nielsen.

00:07:24.580 They're my friends from Cheap Trick.

00:07:29.360 I love David Gilmour with Pink Floyd.

00:07:31.220 I'm not a big guitar guy.

00:07:32.400 I like more subtle stuff.

00:07:33.920 So I would say Gilmour with Pink Floyd.

00:07:37.040 And Billy Corgan, my neighbor here, Billy Corgan, the Smashing Pumpkins, is a great underrated

00:07:42.320 guitar.

00:07:42.760 The Edge is great, but it's all done through effects.

00:07:45.240 The Edge with U2.

00:07:46.080 And the greatest entertainer of all time, I would either say, if I may, I would either

00:07:51.140 say Al Jolson or Wagner.

00:07:53.660 So two controversial people to say, but just you're talking about great artists that have

00:07:58.520 lived, those two.

00:07:59.900 Yeah, there's no question.

00:08:01.400 Al Jolson, who has his first Broadway hit in 1912 and is the male vocalist of the year,

00:08:07.640 1950, the year before he dies.

00:08:10.980 A guy who dominated Broadway, then makes the first talking picture, then a radio star goes

00:08:21.420 into an eclipse, but it makes a tremendous comeback when Metry and Goldwyn Mayers makes

00:08:28.000 the Jolson story, which remains my favorite movie of all time, with Jolson Sings Again,

00:08:33.740 and the sequel being my second favorite movie of all time.

00:08:37.560 Of course, politically incorrect to recognize the enormous talent of Al Jolson.

00:08:44.120 People ask me the guitar question.

00:08:46.040 I take it a little broader.

00:08:48.700 So to me, the greatest guitarist of all time would either be one of the Kings.

00:08:53.300 It would either be B.B. King, Albert King, or Freddie King.

00:08:57.340 But that, of course, is a little bit more in the blues genre.

00:09:01.720 Let's get back to politics, if we may.

00:09:05.120 The director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has now released the classified

00:09:10.780 Russiagate files, proving beyond any doubt that Barack Obama, CIA director John Brennan,

00:09:18.820 James Clapper, and the whole gang were responsible for framing Trump as a Russian agent with

00:09:25.860 completely fraudulent, fabricated intelligence.

00:09:30.000 And, Wes, we just found out that through an email that was declassified that Hillary Clinton

00:09:35.480 approved the entire gambit from the beginning.

00:09:39.860 What do you expect to happen to these criminals now that they've been exposed?

00:09:44.140 And do you have any confidence that they will actually pay any penalty?

00:09:49.220 Roger, casting aside the man-cow mask of play and speaking to you as my friend, people don't

00:09:56.700 know the hell you went through.

00:09:58.160 You lost everything over this Russian hoax.

00:10:01.120 And I got in fistfights over you.

00:10:03.580 The hell you've been through.

00:10:05.400 And the fact that you can sit here on the radio and talk about it so detached is shocking.

00:10:11.740 Look, we knew it was all B.S.

00:10:13.580 And we fought it.

00:10:15.000 I fought it on air and off air.

00:10:16.860 And I'm sorry that our country put you through this hell.

00:10:20.580 But we will be victorious.

00:10:21.840 And in the end, you know that God wins and good wins.

00:10:25.400 I hope that the creep that's running for mayor of New York doesn't win.

00:10:29.920 And my prayers go there.

00:10:31.700 Look, I'll tell you some crazy stuff.

00:10:35.400 I have to say it's my opinion.

00:10:36.440 But I believe they have video of Barack Obama and the butler, the chef, being drowned.

00:10:43.300 I believe they have surveillance photo and video.

00:10:46.500 I believe that Breitbart was killed and they found out that information.

00:10:49.940 I was going to do a show on Fox, signed, sealed, and delivered days after he was murdered.

00:10:54.700 Andrew Breitbart, you may or may not remember, but we were going to do a show called Future

00:10:57.840 News.

00:10:59.020 And look, these people are bloodthirsty. 0.97

00:11:01.000 I believe part of the frazzled rip story involving Hillary, these are demonic people. 1.00

00:11:05.720 The sex things with children is it's not sexual.

00:11:09.400 It's it's demonic.

00:11:11.280 It's chemical.

00:11:12.260 These are evil, evil people.

00:11:14.460 I knew Barack Obama before he was Barack Obama when he was buried in Illinois and he was a

00:11:19.720 cokehead homosexual. 0.99

00:11:21.340 That was the word.

00:11:22.440 And that's the vibe I got, certainly a Muslim. 1.00

00:11:24.820 And we really have been just fed a lot of lies and we've been led by a lot of evil.

00:11:29.260 And you got sucked up into all that.

00:11:31.600 And I'm sorry that you went through that and your lovely wife.

00:11:34.320 It breaks my heart.

00:11:35.460 But I hope you feel vindicated.

00:11:37.120 But who cares now that you've lost everything and they put you through hell for years.

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00:12:11.860 Well, as you know, it is only through the grace of God and my faith, the restoration of my faith,

00:12:18.940 that I was redeemed in the blood of the cross.

00:12:22.080 And therefore, I have no regrets.

00:12:24.720 There's nothing I would have done differently.

00:12:26.460 When they indicted me on fabricated crimes in order to try to pressure me into testifying

00:12:32.600 falsely against Donald Trump, I refused.

00:12:35.680 And I have no regret.

00:12:37.000 I would do it again tomorrow.

00:12:38.740 I don't know how people like Michael Cohen live with themselves.

00:12:42.420 I really, really don't.

00:12:44.660 So if you were President Trump's top advisor, and I know he's a good friend of yours, but

00:12:49.360 if you were his top advisor in the White House, what would be your top priority?

00:12:54.800 What would you put at the top of his list of things to do to make America great again?

00:13:00.740 What a great question.

00:13:02.140 I don't know that.

00:13:05.080 Right now, but there was a thing that Obama repealed about fake news and propaganda and

00:13:11.840 news having to be somewhat equal.

00:13:13.540 They need to restore that act that Obama destroyed.

00:13:16.100 And we need to restore the act that foreign agents cannot run for office, public offices.

00:13:22.420 Islam is a cancer that's coming for us. 1.00

00:13:25.800 I was in England recently.

00:13:27.360 I'm going to be there in December with the Moody Blues, Justin Hayward.

00:13:29.940 And it's like being in Calcutta, man.

00:13:32.280 It's unbelievable what we've given up, the culture that we've...

00:13:35.960 And that's what I was saying with Stern, too.

00:13:37.140 The cautioning, the stupidity, the neutering of the...

00:13:39.940 Look at how men are portrayed.

00:13:42.220 And, yeah, so I would say no foreigners can hold office. 1.00

00:13:49.180 You've got to be born in America and also make it so the media cannot lie.

00:13:53.880 It's amazing how they're reporting all this Tulsi Gabbard stuff.

00:13:56.720 Like, it's some questionable thing.

00:13:59.640 It's not.

00:14:00.400 They've got the smoking gun.

00:14:02.140 Obama and Hillary and the rest are treasonous.

00:14:05.980 And we used to hang traitors.

00:14:07.280 I remember the story of Julius and Ethel.

00:14:09.720 You're not old enough to remember them, are you?

00:14:11.020 Yes, I'm very familiar with that case.

00:14:15.060 Of course, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were convicted of being Russian spies

00:14:19.200 and actually stealing the country's atomic secrets.

00:14:23.300 Right.

00:14:23.660 So why are we putting up with this?

00:14:26.000 You know, I know Barry's so likable.

00:14:28.020 Barry Obama and Hillary is such a delight.

00:14:30.020 But, you know, they should get the treatment that the Rosenbergs got. 0.98

00:14:33.540 We need to bring that back.

00:14:34.580 And, yes, McCarthy was a drunk, but he was right. 0.91

00:14:37.120 But we really were filled with, you know, Hollywood really was filled with communists.

00:14:41.780 Our government really was filled with communists.

00:14:43.940 They really did want to destroy our culture.

00:14:46.580 They really did pack the schools with creeps.

00:14:50.000 And, wow, we were right.

00:14:51.560 But, you know, little solace now after all we've been through.

00:14:55.860 It remains to be seen.

00:14:57.780 I think you can make a very good case that there was and is a seditious conspiracy

00:15:03.120 to commit treason.

00:15:05.180 And that manifested itself, most recently, as the raid on Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago

00:15:15.100 in Palm Beach.

00:15:16.160 Until you've had your home raided, as I had at 6 o'clock in the morning by 29 heavily armed

00:15:22.640 FBI agents in full SWAT gear, brandishing M4 fully assault, automatic assault weapons,

00:15:29.960 just to arrest little old me for the first time, nonviolent alleged crime of lying to

00:15:38.700 Congress.

00:15:39.560 When we've now established that there was nothing to lie about there, I had no motive

00:15:44.260 to lie since there was no Russian collusion to cover up.

00:15:49.080 You can't even imagine the sense of violation that stays with you for the rest of your life.

00:15:54.640 My wife still has PTSD from that experience.

00:15:58.580 If something goes bump in the night, she thinks the whole thing is happening again.

00:16:03.500 It's, you know, it is only through prayer that we are fully restored.

00:16:08.600 We're talking to the man-cow radio legend right here on The Roger Stone Show, right here in

00:16:14.640 The Stone Zone.

00:16:15.560 We'll be right back.

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00:16:34.040 Welcome back.

00:16:35.200 We're in The Stone Zone.

00:16:36.240 We're talking to radio legend Mankow.

00:16:40.080 He is the man who drove Howard Stern out of both Chicago and virtually every major AM radio

00:16:47.580 market in the country.

00:16:48.980 We're kind of celebrating the end of Howard Stern's career.

00:16:52.580 I never even found him faintly amusing.

00:16:55.760 I guess I just didn't get it, or maybe it was his politics that I didn't get.

00:17:01.280 One thing I want to clarify in the little time we have left here.

00:17:04.180 You had a hit show on Fox.

00:17:05.960 You knew legendary Fox pioneer Roger Ailes, a man who has been vilified after he's gone

00:17:15.220 on to his maker and can no longer defend himself.

00:17:18.420 The smears and falsehoods that have been spread about him disgust me.

00:17:24.480 He was a great man.

00:17:25.620 He was a decent man.

00:17:27.220 He was a friend of mine.

00:17:28.580 Tell us about your experience with Roger Ailes and the Roger Ailes you knew.

00:17:34.700 Well, he was he was a man and he was a man of great honor and he stuck by me through thick

00:17:40.580 and thin.

00:17:40.980 And that's what everybody will tell you, except for I forget the woman Gretchen or whatever

00:17:44.400 that I believe just wanted money, my opinion.

00:17:46.660 But no, Roger was incredible.

00:17:48.980 Roger, I'm going to tell you something, Roger, Roger, about Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger.

00:17:52.760 Roger, that's going to shock you.

00:17:54.220 You know, he was my agent.

00:17:57.580 Did you know that?

00:17:59.660 Roger Ailes was my agent.

00:18:01.680 And the head of Stern's boss called me and said, Roger Ailes is calling me.

00:18:06.120 Roger Ailes is your agent.

00:18:08.380 And I said, yes.

00:18:09.420 You know, I want to say one thing about Stern, brother.

00:18:11.660 You know, he wore sunglasses and the wig and looked down all the time.

00:18:14.540 He had 23 writers in another room and everything was scripted.

00:18:19.240 Everything was scripted.

00:18:20.520 Nothing was off the cuff.

00:18:21.580 And so 23 writers, I was on my own.

00:18:26.020 And we beat him in 330 markets, not every market.

00:18:29.000 But where I wasn't on, I couldn't beat him, obviously.

00:18:31.040 But he was definitely propped up.

00:18:33.000 And the government helped him because of his communism.

00:18:36.500 They want men weak and they want betas. 1.00

00:18:39.340 They want beta males. 1.00

00:18:40.400 Look at the boobies. 1.00

00:18:41.640 And then he would give you his politics.

00:18:43.940 And it was always to the left.

00:18:45.500 Roger Ailes was a great guy.

00:18:47.080 You're a great guy.

00:18:48.080 We're men.

00:18:48.960 We're alpha men.

00:18:49.860 We make decisions.

00:18:51.960 We sit with our legs open.

00:18:53.420 We mansplain.

00:18:55.320 You know, you can't have that now.

00:18:58.420 So that was the problem.

00:18:59.780 The world couldn't handle a Roger Ailes.

00:19:01.280 Yeah, I agree.

00:19:03.720 Of course, I made the same point about Bill Maher, whose show I did numerous times.

00:19:08.180 I actually did his original pilot for Politically Incorrect.

00:19:10.740 I did it as a favor for a friend.

00:19:13.040 But when you get to your dressing room, his producer comes in and says, please do me one favor.

00:19:19.860 Yeah, what is it?

00:19:20.980 Don't try to be funnier than Bill Maher.

00:19:25.860 And I said, wait a minute.

00:19:26.840 He's got a platoon of comedy writers.

00:19:28.720 I live by my wits.

00:19:30.560 My uncles, Leibovitz and Markowitz.

00:19:32.700 No, I'm all by myself out here.

00:19:35.100 Ba-boom. 0.66

00:19:35.420 And, you know, Bill Maher is not even faintly amusing without a platoon of comedy writers.

00:19:43.140 I find him, you know, most unentertaining.

00:19:47.700 I'm particularly unhappy about the fact that he impugned my integrity.

00:19:51.640 He called me a Russian spy.

00:19:52.860 Then he admitted there was no Russian collusion.

00:19:55.800 But, of course, he would never have me back to clear my name.

00:19:58.480 Not a good guy.

00:19:59.320 In any event, I want to thank my guest, radio legend Mancow, from whom I have learned enormously

00:20:06.540 virtually everything I know about the medium of radio and how to keep all you folks interested.

00:20:12.560 I hope you have enjoyed our interview today.

00:20:15.080 And I want to issue a very special thanks to Mancow, who's been more than just a friend.

00:20:20.360 As I've embarked in this radio career, he's really been more like a mentor, teaching me the ropes

00:20:26.180 so I can come here and entertain you five nights a week and for two hours on Sunday.

00:20:33.060 Mancow, God bless you and thank you.

00:20:35.320 And to my friends out there listening in the Stone Zone, God bless you.

00:20:39.720 God bless you and Godspeed.

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Mancow Muller ｜ 08-08-25

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