The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


Mancow Muller | 08-08-25


Episode Stats

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Summary

Former radio host Eric Mancow joins me to discuss Howard Stern's exit from Sirius XM and the impact it will have on the radio industry and the world at large. He also talks about why Howard Stern should have been allowed to do more than he did.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:05.860 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.
00:00:09.180 Reported to you yesterday that Sirius XM has terminated the $100 million a year contact for Howard Stern.
00:00:19.060 Joining us now is radio legend Eric Mancow Mueller, better known as The Mancow,
00:00:26.380 who went head-to-head with Howard Stern in the Chicago radio market and vanquished Stern.
00:00:34.380 He is a longtime critic of Stern.
00:00:37.000 In my own case, not only did I never understand Stern's humor,
00:00:41.800 but I hated the way that he loved to utilize Donald Trump to boost his ratings before Trump was in politics,
00:00:48.360 but then turned on Trump like a rabid dog once Trump decided to make America great again.
00:00:56.380 Joining me now is The Mancow.
00:00:59.140 He stormed into the Chicago radio scene, originally with Mancow's Morning Madhouse,
00:01:05.280 emerging as a giant in the radio industry, known for his daring stunts, his sharp wit,
00:01:12.940 his vivid character, and his boundless charm.
00:01:16.320 But his abilities extend far beyond radio.
00:01:20.220 He's a best-selling author, appeared on several hit TV and reality shows.
00:01:25.960 I am proud to bring on my friend Mancow.
00:01:30.480 He is a gourmand, a boulevardier, a bon vivant, a man about town, a raconteur,
00:01:38.220 and a man from whom I have learned virtually everything I know about radio.
00:01:44.440 Mancow, welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:01:46.300 Roger, thank you.
00:01:47.900 Love you, brother.
00:01:49.400 You know, I don't know where to begin.
00:01:50.720 Let me thank you for the intro.
00:01:53.620 The Die Hard movie with Bruce Willis is what I hear about a lot now.
00:01:56.840 People want to see who I am, and Bruce is not going to be doing many more.
00:02:01.580 Look, my battle with Stern is epic.
00:02:04.340 I have all the files from radio.
00:02:07.660 I can reveal a lot of stuff to you.
00:02:09.320 But what I want to say, the main point I want to get out is Oprah was allowed to do all kinds
00:02:14.740 of assertive things and excretory things, and so was Stern, that I wasn't allowed to do
00:02:18.840 because I was conservative.
00:02:21.000 I'm a freedom lover.
00:02:22.040 I'm a libertarian.
00:02:22.920 I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy.
00:02:24.680 And I've been saying it for 30 years, and people thought I was crazy, of course.
00:02:27.920 But these people were propped up.
00:02:29.720 And we see now, without USAID and other government help, they don't exist.
00:02:33.240 They're going away.
00:02:34.140 People like Colbert.
00:02:35.100 Kimmel was my sportscaster.
00:02:36.440 And you tell people this 20 years ago, 10 years ago, and they think you're crazy.
00:02:41.480 They think, just like everybody would argue with me, that you were a Russian spy.
00:02:45.820 And so you feel like a crazy man because you know the truth.
00:02:48.960 Howard Stern was set upon the American radioscape.
00:02:51.480 Believe me, we have to deal with the FCC, a government agency.
00:02:54.400 And I got fines and hassles every single day.
00:02:57.640 Man, Cal, you said the F word.
00:02:58.840 No, I didn't.
00:02:59.680 But I still had to hire a lawyer and fight it against the government.
00:03:02.320 Well, Stern got a free pass.
00:03:03.880 In every audience survey and in every market where I competed against him, I didn't just hold my own.
00:03:10.340 I kicked his ass.
00:03:11.960 And I destroyed him.
00:03:13.080 And people given a choice always wanted me, look, he was there for one reason.
00:03:16.900 Yes, he gave you cake and circus and all the BS.
00:03:20.340 He was allowed to talk about boobies and get the young men.
00:03:23.060 But it was really about neutering men and making them into good little subservient communists.
00:03:28.260 And I'm not kidding you.
00:03:29.460 He was a mouthpiece, a propagandist, and a sellout.
00:03:32.120 So just like the freak shows would have a great banner and you would go into the freak show and it would always be a letdown, the same thing, you get your boobies.
00:03:40.580 Oh, he's so naughty.
00:03:41.820 And then you get in and it's a good neutering of men.
00:03:45.500 And I always hated the guy.
00:03:47.600 And I will relieve myself on his grave.
00:03:51.360 And that is not something I'm just saying.
00:03:54.740 I'm going to do it.
00:03:55.300 I'm going to post it online.
00:03:56.600 He is the devil.
00:03:57.760 And good riddance.
00:03:58.620 Man, Cal, you have to stop mincing words.
00:04:02.860 You have to stop holding back.
00:04:04.380 You need to tell my audience what you really think.
00:04:07.260 Look, I recall that Howard Stern often used the N-word.
00:04:13.940 He did a number of routines in blackface.
00:04:16.920 None of that is acceptable then or today.
00:04:19.820 But somehow he got away with it in a way that no one else could do.
00:04:25.160 Why do you think that is?
00:04:26.780 I said it.
00:04:28.740 And again, oh, it's spoiled sport, man, Cal.
00:04:32.040 And look, I was offered to replace him in New York.
00:04:35.280 And David Lee Roth got in there.
00:04:37.380 And that's a very long story.
00:04:39.100 But look, it's fake.
00:04:41.720 It's fake.
00:04:43.320 Why is Anderson Cooper?
00:04:45.020 I mean, my numbers dwarfed Anderson Cooper and all these guys.
00:04:47.900 So they're promoted because their agenda.
00:04:50.580 It's government licensed.
00:04:52.740 The same thing when I had better numbers than, you know, the Daily Show.
00:04:57.640 And I went and talked to Comedy Central.
00:05:00.320 Well, you have to be liberal, right?
00:05:02.060 Well, no, I'm a freedom guy.
00:05:03.640 I'm a populist guy.
00:05:04.780 Ah, can't do it.
00:05:05.860 So, look, you've been – look at the dumbing down of society, Roger.
00:05:10.520 Listen to the music.
00:05:11.800 Look at the TV shows.
00:05:13.200 Look at the movies.
00:05:14.420 This is all by design.
00:05:16.380 I was at Comic-Con for a week with a guy that played Flash Gordon, Sam Jones.
00:05:20.320 And I don't know if you remember that old movie, Flash Gordon, 1982 Queen soundtrack.
00:05:24.520 But you should see what passes for men now.
00:05:27.140 They're all soft around the middle.
00:05:28.640 They don't have an opinion.
00:05:29.560 They're wearing flip-flops and shorts.
00:05:32.480 And they're just – they're nothing.
00:05:34.360 And their children are even worse.
00:05:36.080 The schools have dumbed us down.
00:05:37.400 There's chemicals in the water.
00:05:38.800 And they've given us entertainment that is to neuter you.
00:05:42.220 And that's why.
00:05:43.940 Because the government backing – how am I going to fight the government?
00:05:47.180 I was asked to run – you know about this.
00:05:48.700 You were going to be part of my campaign.
00:05:50.580 I was asked to run against J.B. Pritzker here in Illinois.
00:05:53.020 He's our governor, complete communist.
00:05:54.920 But he's a billionaire.
00:05:56.580 What do you do?
00:05:57.620 It's all scripted.
00:05:58.500 It's all fake.
00:05:59.200 And the people are really getting the short end of the stick.
00:06:04.420 I have to agree with everything you say.
00:06:07.820 Let me ask you a few subjective questions.
00:06:09.760 You are probably the number one rock and roll fan in the country.
00:06:14.000 You are an aficionado of great rock.
00:06:18.960 What is the greatest rock band of all time?
00:06:21.440 Wow.
00:06:21.800 Thank you.
00:06:22.240 I introduced John Lodge of the Moody Blues the last two nights in Chicago.
00:06:26.900 I was instrumental in getting the Moody Blues in the Rocker Hall of Fame.
00:06:29.960 They have seven albums, starting with Days of Future Past, I think, are masterpieces.
00:06:34.240 The Beatles are great, of course.
00:06:35.420 The Who, The Stones, et cetera.
00:06:37.060 But when you talk about perfect albums – and every one of their albums had clunkers – but
00:06:40.960 perfect albums without clunkers, you're talking about seven Moody Blues albums.
00:06:44.480 Question of Balance is probably the masterpiece.
00:06:46.560 I love the Kinks.
00:06:48.000 And they played my wedding.
00:06:50.080 There's a lot of great rock bands.
00:06:51.180 But I would have to say the Moody Blues, which nobody would agree with.
00:06:55.240 But that's my stance.
00:06:56.420 And then the Kinks.
00:06:58.260 Well, I can definitely testify for your love at the Kinks because the last time I was a
00:07:02.940 guest at your home in Chicago, outside of Chicago, you played the album 12 times in
00:07:07.960 a row.
00:07:08.540 It was like background music.
00:07:10.940 It was really great.
00:07:12.180 I'm also a fan of the Kinks.
00:07:14.460 In your opinion – it's a tough one – the greatest rock guitarist of all time.
00:07:19.800 Well, you know, I love Rick Nielsen.
00:07:24.580 They're my friends from Cheap Trick.
00:07:29.360 I love David Gilmour with Pink Floyd.
00:07:31.220 I'm not a big guitar guy.
00:07:32.400 I like more subtle stuff.
00:07:33.920 So I would say Gilmour with Pink Floyd.
00:07:37.040 And Billy Corgan, my neighbor here, Billy Corgan, the Smashing Pumpkins, is a great underrated
00:07:42.320 guitar.
00:07:42.760 The Edge is great, but it's all done through effects.
00:07:45.240 The Edge with U2.
00:07:46.080 And the greatest entertainer of all time, I would either say, if I may, I would either
00:07:51.140 say Al Jolson or Wagner.
00:07:53.660 So two controversial people to say, but just you're talking about great artists that have
00:07:58.520 lived, those two.
00:07:59.900 Yeah, there's no question.
00:08:01.400 Al Jolson, who has his first Broadway hit in 1912 and is the male vocalist of the year,
00:08:07.640 1950, the year before he dies.
00:08:10.980 A guy who dominated Broadway, then makes the first talking picture, then a radio star goes
00:08:21.420 into an eclipse, but it makes a tremendous comeback when Metry and Goldwyn Mayers makes
00:08:28.000 the Jolson story, which remains my favorite movie of all time, with Jolson Sings Again,
00:08:33.740 and the sequel being my second favorite movie of all time.
00:08:37.560 Of course, politically incorrect to recognize the enormous talent of Al Jolson.
00:08:44.120 People ask me the guitar question.
00:08:46.040 I take it a little broader.
00:08:48.700 So to me, the greatest guitarist of all time would either be one of the Kings.
00:08:53.300 It would either be B.B. King, Albert King, or Freddie King.
00:08:57.340 But that, of course, is a little bit more in the blues genre.
00:09:01.720 Let's get back to politics, if we may.
00:09:05.120 The director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has now released the classified
00:09:10.780 Russiagate files, proving beyond any doubt that Barack Obama, CIA director John Brennan,
00:09:18.820 James Clapper, and the whole gang were responsible for framing Trump as a Russian agent with
00:09:25.860 completely fraudulent, fabricated intelligence.
00:09:30.000 And, Wes, we just found out that through an email that was declassified that Hillary Clinton
00:09:35.480 approved the entire gambit from the beginning.
00:09:39.860 What do you expect to happen to these criminals now that they've been exposed?
00:09:44.140 And do you have any confidence that they will actually pay any penalty?
00:09:49.220 Roger, casting aside the man-cow mask of play and speaking to you as my friend, people don't
00:09:56.700 know the hell you went through.
00:09:58.160 You lost everything over this Russian hoax.
00:10:01.120 And I got in fistfights over you.
00:10:03.580 The hell you've been through.
00:10:05.400 And the fact that you can sit here on the radio and talk about it so detached is shocking.
00:10:11.740 Look, we knew it was all B.S.
00:10:13.580 And we fought it.
00:10:15.000 I fought it on air and off air.
00:10:16.860 And I'm sorry that our country put you through this hell.
00:10:20.580 But we will be victorious.
00:10:21.840 And in the end, you know that God wins and good wins.
00:10:25.400 I hope that the creep that's running for mayor of New York doesn't win.
00:10:29.920 And my prayers go there.
00:10:31.700 Look, I'll tell you some crazy stuff.
00:10:35.400 I have to say it's my opinion.
00:10:36.440 But I believe they have video of Barack Obama and the butler, the chef, being drowned.
00:10:43.300 I believe they have surveillance photo and video.
00:10:46.500 I believe that Breitbart was killed and they found out that information.
00:10:49.940 I was going to do a show on Fox, signed, sealed, and delivered days after he was murdered.
00:10:54.700 Andrew Breitbart, you may or may not remember, but we were going to do a show called Future
00:10:57.840 News.
00:10:59.020 And look, these people are bloodthirsty.
00:11:01.000 I believe part of the frazzled rip story involving Hillary, these are demonic people.
00:11:05.720 The sex things with children is it's not sexual.
00:11:09.400 It's it's demonic.
00:11:11.280 It's chemical.
00:11:12.260 These are evil, evil people.
00:11:14.460 I knew Barack Obama before he was Barack Obama when he was buried in Illinois and he was a
00:11:19.720 cokehead homosexual.
00:11:21.340 That was the word.
00:11:22.440 And that's the vibe I got, certainly a Muslim.
00:11:24.820 And we really have been just fed a lot of lies and we've been led by a lot of evil.
00:11:29.260 And you got sucked up into all that.
00:11:31.600 And I'm sorry that you went through that and your lovely wife.
00:11:34.320 It breaks my heart.
00:11:35.460 But I hope you feel vindicated.
00:11:37.120 But who cares now that you've lost everything and they put you through hell for years.
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00:12:11.860 Well, as you know, it is only through the grace of God and my faith, the restoration of my faith,
00:12:18.940 that I was redeemed in the blood of the cross.
00:12:22.080 And therefore, I have no regrets.
00:12:24.720 There's nothing I would have done differently.
00:12:26.460 When they indicted me on fabricated crimes in order to try to pressure me into testifying
00:12:32.600 falsely against Donald Trump, I refused.
00:12:35.680 And I have no regret.
00:12:37.000 I would do it again tomorrow.
00:12:38.740 I don't know how people like Michael Cohen live with themselves.
00:12:42.420 I really, really don't.
00:12:44.660 So if you were President Trump's top advisor, and I know he's a good friend of yours, but
00:12:49.360 if you were his top advisor in the White House, what would be your top priority?
00:12:54.800 What would you put at the top of his list of things to do to make America great again?
00:13:00.740 What a great question.
00:13:02.140 I don't know that.
00:13:05.080 Right now, but there was a thing that Obama repealed about fake news and propaganda and
00:13:11.840 news having to be somewhat equal.
00:13:13.540 They need to restore that act that Obama destroyed.
00:13:16.100 And we need to restore the act that foreign agents cannot run for office, public offices.
00:13:22.420 Islam is a cancer that's coming for us.
00:13:25.800 I was in England recently.
00:13:27.360 I'm going to be there in December with the Moody Blues, Justin Hayward.
00:13:29.940 And it's like being in Calcutta, man.
00:13:32.280 It's unbelievable what we've given up, the culture that we've...
00:13:35.960 And that's what I was saying with Stern, too.
00:13:37.140 The cautioning, the stupidity, the neutering of the...
00:13:39.940 Look at how men are portrayed.
00:13:42.220 And, yeah, so I would say no foreigners can hold office.
00:13:49.180 You've got to be born in America and also make it so the media cannot lie.
00:13:53.880 It's amazing how they're reporting all this Tulsi Gabbard stuff.
00:13:56.720 Like, it's some questionable thing.
00:13:59.640 It's not.
00:14:00.400 They've got the smoking gun.
00:14:02.140 Obama and Hillary and the rest are treasonous.
00:14:05.980 And we used to hang traitors.
00:14:07.280 I remember the story of Julius and Ethel.
00:14:09.720 You're not old enough to remember them, are you?
00:14:11.020 Yes, I'm very familiar with that case.
00:14:15.060 Of course, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were convicted of being Russian spies
00:14:19.200 and actually stealing the country's atomic secrets.
00:14:23.300 Right.
00:14:23.660 So why are we putting up with this?
00:14:26.000 You know, I know Barry's so likable.
00:14:28.020 Barry Obama and Hillary is such a delight.
00:14:30.020 But, you know, they should get the treatment that the Rosenbergs got.
00:14:33.540 We need to bring that back.
00:14:34.580 And, yes, McCarthy was a drunk, but he was right.
00:14:37.120 But we really were filled with, you know, Hollywood really was filled with communists.
00:14:41.780 Our government really was filled with communists.
00:14:43.940 They really did want to destroy our culture.
00:14:46.580 They really did pack the schools with creeps.
00:14:50.000 And, wow, we were right.
00:14:51.560 But, you know, little solace now after all we've been through.
00:14:55.860 It remains to be seen.
00:14:57.780 I think you can make a very good case that there was and is a seditious conspiracy
00:15:03.120 to commit treason.
00:15:05.180 And that manifested itself, most recently, as the raid on Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago
00:15:15.100 in Palm Beach.
00:15:16.160 Until you've had your home raided, as I had at 6 o'clock in the morning by 29 heavily armed
00:15:22.640 FBI agents in full SWAT gear, brandishing M4 fully assault, automatic assault weapons,
00:15:29.960 just to arrest little old me for the first time, nonviolent alleged crime of lying to
00:15:38.700 Congress.
00:15:39.560 When we've now established that there was nothing to lie about there, I had no motive
00:15:44.260 to lie since there was no Russian collusion to cover up.
00:15:49.080 You can't even imagine the sense of violation that stays with you for the rest of your life.
00:15:54.640 My wife still has PTSD from that experience.
00:15:58.580 If something goes bump in the night, she thinks the whole thing is happening again.
00:16:03.500 It's, you know, it is only through prayer that we are fully restored.
00:16:08.600 We're talking to the man-cow radio legend right here on The Roger Stone Show, right here in
00:16:14.640 The Stone Zone.
00:16:15.560 We'll be right back.
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00:16:34.040 Welcome back.
00:16:35.200 We're in The Stone Zone.
00:16:36.240 We're talking to radio legend Mankow.
00:16:40.080 He is the man who drove Howard Stern out of both Chicago and virtually every major AM radio
00:16:47.580 market in the country.
00:16:48.980 We're kind of celebrating the end of Howard Stern's career.
00:16:52.580 I never even found him faintly amusing.
00:16:55.760 I guess I just didn't get it, or maybe it was his politics that I didn't get.
00:17:01.280 One thing I want to clarify in the little time we have left here.
00:17:04.180 You had a hit show on Fox.
00:17:05.960 You knew legendary Fox pioneer Roger Ailes, a man who has been vilified after he's gone
00:17:15.220 on to his maker and can no longer defend himself.
00:17:18.420 The smears and falsehoods that have been spread about him disgust me.
00:17:24.480 He was a great man.
00:17:25.620 He was a decent man.
00:17:27.220 He was a friend of mine.
00:17:28.580 Tell us about your experience with Roger Ailes and the Roger Ailes you knew.
00:17:34.700 Well, he was he was a man and he was a man of great honor and he stuck by me through thick
00:17:40.580 and thin.
00:17:40.980 And that's what everybody will tell you, except for I forget the woman Gretchen or whatever
00:17:44.400 that I believe just wanted money, my opinion.
00:17:46.660 But no, Roger was incredible.
00:17:48.980 Roger, I'm going to tell you something, Roger, Roger, about Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger.
00:17:52.760 Roger, that's going to shock you.
00:17:54.220 You know, he was my agent.
00:17:57.580 Did you know that?
00:17:59.660 Roger Ailes was my agent.
00:18:01.680 And the head of Stern's boss called me and said, Roger Ailes is calling me.
00:18:06.120 Roger Ailes is your agent.
00:18:08.380 And I said, yes.
00:18:09.420 You know, I want to say one thing about Stern, brother.
00:18:11.660 You know, he wore sunglasses and the wig and looked down all the time.
00:18:14.540 He had 23 writers in another room and everything was scripted.
00:18:19.240 Everything was scripted.
00:18:20.520 Nothing was off the cuff.
00:18:21.580 And so 23 writers, I was on my own.
00:18:26.020 And we beat him in 330 markets, not every market.
00:18:29.000 But where I wasn't on, I couldn't beat him, obviously.
00:18:31.040 But he was definitely propped up.
00:18:33.000 And the government helped him because of his communism.
00:18:36.500 They want men weak and they want betas.
00:18:39.340 They want beta males.
00:18:40.400 Look at the boobies.
00:18:41.640 And then he would give you his politics.
00:18:43.940 And it was always to the left.
00:18:45.500 Roger Ailes was a great guy.
00:18:47.080 You're a great guy.
00:18:48.080 We're men.
00:18:48.960 We're alpha men.
00:18:49.860 We make decisions.
00:18:51.960 We sit with our legs open.
00:18:53.420 We mansplain.
00:18:55.320 You know, you can't have that now.
00:18:58.420 So that was the problem.
00:18:59.780 The world couldn't handle a Roger Ailes.
00:19:01.280 Yeah, I agree.
00:19:03.720 Of course, I made the same point about Bill Maher, whose show I did numerous times.
00:19:08.180 I actually did his original pilot for Politically Incorrect.
00:19:10.740 I did it as a favor for a friend.
00:19:13.040 But when you get to your dressing room, his producer comes in and says, please do me one favor.
00:19:19.860 Yeah, what is it?
00:19:20.980 Don't try to be funnier than Bill Maher.
00:19:25.860 And I said, wait a minute.
00:19:26.840 He's got a platoon of comedy writers.
00:19:28.720 I live by my wits.
00:19:30.560 My uncles, Leibovitz and Markowitz.
00:19:32.700 No, I'm all by myself out here.
00:19:35.100 Ba-boom.
00:19:35.420 And, you know, Bill Maher is not even faintly amusing without a platoon of comedy writers.
00:19:43.140 I find him, you know, most unentertaining.
00:19:47.700 I'm particularly unhappy about the fact that he impugned my integrity.
00:19:51.640 He called me a Russian spy.
00:19:52.860 Then he admitted there was no Russian collusion.
00:19:55.800 But, of course, he would never have me back to clear my name.
00:19:58.480 Not a good guy.
00:19:59.320 In any event, I want to thank my guest, radio legend Mancow, from whom I have learned enormously
00:20:06.540 virtually everything I know about the medium of radio and how to keep all you folks interested.
00:20:12.560 I hope you have enjoyed our interview today.
00:20:15.080 And I want to issue a very special thanks to Mancow, who's been more than just a friend.
00:20:20.360 As I've embarked in this radio career, he's really been more like a mentor, teaching me the ropes
00:20:26.180 so I can come here and entertain you five nights a week and for two hours on Sunday.
00:20:33.060 Mancow, God bless you and thank you.
00:20:35.320 And to my friends out there listening in the Stone Zone, God bless you.
00:20:39.720 God bless you and Godspeed.
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