On this episode of The Stone Zone, host Roger Stone is joined by his regular co-host Troy Smith and political strategist R.C. Maxwell to discuss the latest in domestic and international politics, including the charges brought against Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and 15 others in Arizona for advocating a slate of alternative electors, and why they should not be allowed to vote for the other party s nominee. Also, Stone and Smith discuss why alternative electors are not allowed under the Electoral Control Act of 1877 and why the mainstream media is wrong about their use of them in a presidential election, and how they should be used in a real election. And, of course, there's a special guest on the show to wrap up the episode: Stone's good friend and long-time supporter, R.J. O'Keefe. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society, and has lectured at countless events. He is a pop culture icon. Join us now to talk about what s going on in the world of politics, politics, and pop culture, with Roger Stone and Troy Smith on this week's Stone Zone! The Stonezone - Roger Stone - The StoneZONE Join Roger Stone: Roger Stone on & Troy Smith: Slingshot on The Stone Zone and The R. Co-host: The Political Strategist from Georgia Maxwell Maxwell: . Roger R. C.C., R. M.A. Maxwell: "Pardon Me from Arizona: The Mythical"? . . . , , R.S. "Podcast: The ? , "The Mythical ? , , and is a political strategist from Georgia, Troy Smith ( ) . & joins us to discuss what s happening here in Arizona. , with R.K. & the Arizona Project? with to discuss this week s latest in politics and the Arizona Republic? , The Arizona Republic , Roger Stone, , & , the ! , Troy Smith, & more!
00:00:00.000The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
00:00:07.900Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
00:00:11.960He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
00:00:17.600As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,
00:00:23.000and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
00:00:27.980Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
00:00:33.940And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
00:00:41.380Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
00:00:47.200Joining me now to break down the latest in domestic and international politics is my normal co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith, joins me now.
00:01:06.400Roger, it's always an honor to be here.
00:01:08.200Troy, I spent a little time at the pool this morning.
00:01:13.500I think I got a little sunburned, so I feel pretty good.
00:01:20.080So, we saw late on Friday that, or pardon me, late yesterday, that in Arizona, Donald Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and 15 others were charged under state law for advocating the creation of a slate of alternative electors.
00:01:49.380Now, the mainstream media keeps calling them fake electors as if there is no historical precedent for them, as if they are not allowed under the Electoral Control Act, I think, of 1877.
00:02:07.060But, in truth, alternative electors in a presidential race have a substantial history.
00:02:16.240In 1960, on election night, it appeared that Vice President Richard Nixon had carried Hawaii.
00:02:26.600He put forward a slate of electors committed to himself.
00:02:32.460The forces of Senator John F. Kennedy believed, correctly, that when all the absentee ballots in Hawaii were counted, that Kennedy would emerge as the leader.
00:02:48.100Therefore, he legally established an alternative slate of electors.
00:02:53.660And after a re-canvass and all of the absentee ballots were indeed counted, JFK carried the state of Hawaii, and the electors put forward by Vice President Nixon were disallowed,
00:03:12.640while the electors that initially were alternative electors put forward by Senator John F. Kennedy were ultimately ceded, and those votes were counted in the Electoral College.
00:03:26.340Also unclear, and I'm not a lawyer, as you know, but I've read the Electoral College Act multiple times, and prior to its amendment, the actual role of the Vice President does not appear to be clear to me.
00:03:46.660It does not delineate precisely what his authority is, precisely what his latitude is.
00:03:55.980It is a false narrative of the mainstream media who said that Trump was trying to get Vice President Pence to, quote-unquote,
00:04:07.160throw out the electors in the states where he was contesting the outcome of the election, when in fact, based on everything I have read and seen,
00:04:20.740what President Trump's advisors were urging the Vice President to do was to return those electors back to the states.
00:04:30.160The state legislatures have the ultimate authority, by the way, to certify which electors should be counted by the Electoral College
00:04:40.140and determine whether on the basis of allegations of voter fraud, anomalies, and irregularities,
00:04:50.860whether they should be replaced or whether they should be returned to the Electoral College to be properly voted.
00:04:59.900The mainstream media, particularly those at MSNBC, I don't want to name any names,
00:05:07.940I remember, have completely misrepresented to the American people what the law says, what the history is,
00:05:18.020seeking to make any effort to put aside an alternative elector slate pending the outcome of litigation,
00:05:31.760potentially as an illicit criminal act.
00:05:36.040Now, I had no involvement in any of the efforts to either delay the certification of the Electoral College
00:05:46.020on the floor of the U.S. Senate, nor was I involved in Georgia or Arizona or Michigan or any of these places.
00:05:56.840My full involvement consists of reading about it and following it in the media,
00:06:03.480but they never let facts get in the way of a good fake narrative that aids their political arguments.
00:06:15.500Joining us now to talk about what has gone down in Arizona is our guest.
00:06:24.900That would be R.C. Maxwell, who is a political strategist from Georgia, pardon me, from Arizona, who joins us now.
00:07:43.120And I remember an attorney by the name of David Boyce who actually attended Broward County meetings in Florida.
00:07:51.660And then all of a sudden after his attending at a meeting, they now change their process and they now count ballots that are called dimpled ballots, ballots that have punctured in them.
00:08:01.660And Gore was able to get 585 additional votes.
00:08:05.240That wasn't the end of the Democrat scheme in Florida.
00:08:08.180They said that Republicans were intimidating people who were doing hand recounts down there in Florida.
00:08:16.140Democrats actually invalidated hundreds of military ballots off of minor technical mistakes and errors that probably weren't even errors like name spelling variations or things scribbled minorly incorrectly.
00:08:30.440So in 2000, the Democrats, they understood exactly what the goal was, was to come up with a strategy in order to get the votes that you thought could overturn the election.
00:08:40.700That's exactly what the Trump campaign and folks were doing here in Arizona, literally just concocting a legal strategy, which is now being used as some nefarious plot to overturn the election.
00:08:53.120Republicans in Arizona never went as far as Democrats did, actually changing and flipping votes in counties, actually invalidating votes of military members.
00:09:03.840Republicans in Arizona never got that far.
00:09:05.580They just said, we need to put together a slate of electorates.
00:09:09.100These people are essentially Republican leaders here in Arizona, very well known and respected leaders.
00:09:16.820No, no floor, no Florida Democrat who was contesting the 2000 election results were getting their licenses removed like Rudy Giuliani is.
00:09:26.420So Americans can see through what this is for what it is.
00:09:29.520And honestly, I think this is the worst of all the concocted law fairs done by Democrats, because it's blatantly obvious that there's nothing illegal about putting together a slate of alternate electorates during a hotly contested election where there are questions about the integrity of the election.
00:09:45.740You know, what you say is absolutely true.
00:09:49.140If you actually read the minutes of the meeting of the slate of alternative electors in Georgia, they specifically say we're holding this meeting, we're establishing this alternative slate of electors so that contingent on the outcome of litigation, all of our rights have been preserved.
00:10:12.100That is not a claim that they should unilaterally be seated.
00:10:18.820I don't think there's any illegal activity there, but well, evidently, Fonnie Wills sees things differently.
00:10:27.140I'm glad that you brought up the 2000 election because there's a huge amount of disinformation out there about the so-called Brooks Brothers riot.
00:10:38.680You can find it on Twitter, if you're really a masochist, where people say, well, Roger Stone stopped the recount of votes in Miami-Dade County, and that ultimately handed victory to George W. Bush.
00:11:00.980What I was a party to was stopping two Democratic Party officials from violating the state sunshine laws, which have been decimated since then but were then very strong,
00:11:14.600to take a pile of ballots that had already been counted three times into an area with no observers, no windows, no doors, none of the lawyers from both sides, no reporters.
00:11:31.700And, yes, I told supporters in the building not to allow that door to be closed because closing it would have been a violation of the sunshine law.
00:11:44.360So we did not stop the recount in Miami-Dade.
00:11:49.740Every single vote in Miami-Dade was recounted.
00:11:53.700And, Roger, they signed affidavits saying that they were intimidated from doing their job.
00:12:07.680Now, I don't recall any criminal charges being brought about by Bush folks in power there.
00:12:13.780And I think the reason that being is because Bush wasn't hell-bent on locking opponents up.
00:12:18.220And it's clear that's what Democrats are doing.
00:12:20.040One of the most devastating things about this lawsuit is the fact that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator.
00:12:25.760If anything that you say in your lawsuit or in these charges have any validity to them, then you should expect Donald Trump to be charged.
00:12:33.180I think this lawsuit, these charges were so poorly concocted, they knew that they couldn't even indict Donald Trump.
00:12:40.160So they decided to indict all these folks.
00:12:42.340And the entire briefing is written as a dissertation by a Democratic strategist.
00:12:47.940It talks about how Donald Trump, Joe Biden, unequivocally won the election.
00:12:54.380And it's going to be solved through by the people.
00:12:57.140This news came out at the same time in which a poll demonstrated how badly the Democrats were going to get shellacked out here.
00:13:03.940Democrats got lucky in 2020 alongside the long voting lines and all the nonsense you saw out here in Arizona with the ballot paper being too long and stuff like that.
00:13:13.400In addition to that, a lot of Republicans who were McCain supporters were just too, for lack of a better term, offended by Donald Trump's entire success and his presence.
00:13:24.740But I think that now a lot of those McCainites, they're suffering with the housing prices and they're suffering through Biden's presidency.
00:13:31.600They're going to hold their nose, so-called, and they're going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:13:37.620So they're trying to come up with something to galvanize the base out here.
00:13:40.840But when you're using the court system to galvanize your base for political persecution, you're getting into eerily dangerous grounds in terms of destroying the fabric of our nation.
00:13:51.180But that's exactly what Democrats are aiming to do, Roger, and you know that very well, especially with lots of news coming out now about the CIA's involvement in Watergate.
00:14:00.500So this is a moment of awakening for America.
00:14:03.2802024 is very important, and the Democrats know that.
00:14:06.420So they're going to pull out all the stops.
00:14:07.960And it's just unfortunate that many of these good people, Tyler Boyer, Jake Hoffman, I mean, Nancy Cottle is a great older woman out here in Arizona, just a local Republican leader being indicted and now having to hire lawyers at times in which they're already, these people aren't millionaires.
00:14:29.240These are just good people being smeared by a Biden administration and their fogies just insistent on waging war and using the law as a tool for that war.
00:14:40.760All right, we're going to cut to a quick commercial break.
00:14:43.840And when we come back, my co-host, Troy Smith, will have the next question for Republican strategist R.C. Maxwell of Arizona.
00:17:30.440But there at StoneZone.com, you can not only get access to our daily show, which shows on both Patriot.TV at 4 o'clock Central, 5 o'clock Eastern, shows later again in the evening at Rumble.
00:17:52.020You can find all of that by going to StoneZone.com.
00:17:57.040We also urge you to go to Slingshot.News, where my co-host Troy Smith is the editor-at-large and where you can get cutting-edge political coverage ahead pretty much of everyone else.
00:18:13.300So you're going to want to check that out as well.
00:18:16.460We return now to our interview with R.C. Maxwell.
00:18:21.320He is a Republican strategist from the state of Arizona.
00:18:26.380And we're talking about these shocking developments yesterday in which 17 people, including President Donald Trump, who I guess was named as an unindicted co-conspirator, were charged in connection with the 2020 election.
00:18:48.760Troy Smith, my co-host, is in the House, as is our guest, R.C. Maxwell.
00:18:56.560And, Troy, the next question goes to you.
00:19:00.020Well, you know, we're seeing, you know, the Democrat Party in the state of Arizona, it seems to me they're just taking out their political opposition.
00:19:08.420I think you put it very well in the last segment there.
00:19:10.500What can you tell us about Attorney General Chris Mays and where this has been kind of like how long has this been developing?
00:19:18.300And where do you think they go from here?
00:19:21.220Well, many insiders in Arizona had suspected that this could be coming for some time, and they suspected this as a result of, you know, some of the subpoenas and stuff that came down from Michigan and other states like Georgia as well.
00:19:33.080But this was a bit of a shock, and this is also news that I can break here on the show, which is that some of the clients actually did not get the notification that the indictment had actually came.
00:19:45.060Attorneys may have been informed, but attorneys had not been able to successfully make contact with some of the defendants who were, you know, on vacation.
00:19:53.900And this was they heard about it through the news.
00:19:56.980You know, prosecutors immediately leaked this information to members of the media.
00:20:00.560So, yeah, this is certainly something that has been coming from the AG's office for a long time.
00:20:05.920And this is, unfortunately, what the AG's office in Arizona is focused on.
00:20:11.660They get into these seats of power in Arizona that has been historically Republican, like the Secretary of State's office, previously the Maricopa Recorder's office.
00:20:20.220And all of a sudden, there's a dramatic shift in policy that just so happens to result in more power in the hands of the Democrats.
00:20:27.200You have Katie Hobbs ripping up the school choice system immediately by destroying the equal, the ESA out here.
00:20:34.720And now you have Chris Mays, who won by 280 votes against Abe Hamaday, which is, you know, right within the margin of contestability.
00:20:44.480I mean, even Gore was even Bush, Florida, I think, was 537 votes in some of those counties at one point.
00:25:15.960And there's going to be something else that they're going to be working on.
00:25:19.040But Arizona just has to maintain any bit of normalcy and kind of see through this and see through what is right here.
00:25:28.660Okay, Troy, do you have a question for our guest, R.C. Maxwell?
00:25:32.700Absolutely. And then afterwards, if you could add on to it, Roger, my question to you, sir, is do you think that this is the end of the road as far as 2020 election indictments?
00:25:41.420Or do you think there's going to be additional, you know, maybe not in Arizona, but in other states heading into 2024?
00:25:46.880Because as you said, I mean, this is a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats, is it not?
00:25:51.380It's a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats.
00:25:56.800You had an instance not too long ago in Wisconsin, Peter Berneger, who's been bringing about lots of complaints in Wisconsin about election irregularities.
00:26:07.480He actually did an investigation with James O'Keefe about irregularities involving Act Blue.
00:26:12.080And now he's getting charged with intimidation of an election official.
00:26:17.660I think that Democrats realize that there are older folks out there and there are normies who don't quite pay attention to the news and aren't quite willing to believe that our court system has become politicized to this point.
00:26:31.040And they think those people could be persuaded by instances of charges being brought about individuals because, you know, historically, you know, criminality is associated with wrongdoing and allegations of criminality is certainly not something that folks want to be involved in who are engaging in government servitude.
00:26:50.200So, no, I don't think we're done with Democrat indictments.
00:26:53.700And I think that we're not done with Democrat lawsuits either.
00:26:56.580I think you're going to see more defamation attempts, just like you're seeing against Cary Lake, because they know that this is expensive.
00:27:04.600And what they do is they pile together money and their goal is to legally bankrupt you.
00:27:10.380Lauren Windsor, who's a Democrat operative, made the mistake of sending this in an email with folks about James O'Keefe.
00:27:16.360They said we have to sue him to oblivion.
00:27:19.700It's all about legally bankrupting him.
00:27:24.920And that's one of the reasons why the moment that these indictments came, it was leaked to members of the media.
00:27:30.360And then a lot of these defendants, they may not be trying to make themselves victims, but they're going through a lot of death threats that they're getting right now.
00:48:54.800There is no credible witness who could claim that because, well, I'm actually the first author in the country to fully expose Jeffrey Epstein.
00:49:04.560I'm the first person to write a book about his ties to the Clinton Foundation, to the Clinton Global Initiative.
00:49:13.260I had his little black book with attribution to author Nick Bryan in my book, The Clinton's War on Women.
00:49:21.020I also had the FAA manifest that shows you who did go to Epstein's Island.
00:49:28.100You won't find Roger Stone's name on any of those published lists.
00:49:32.900So this is the price you pay for being in the arena.
00:49:38.600Sure, you can sue people who say that.
00:49:41.800The defamation laws are not very well structured, but that's such an egregious example of defamation.
00:49:49.840The hard part may be tracking them down to serve the folks that say crazy things like this.
00:49:56.600All right, sorry about that diatribe, but I had to get that off my chest today.
00:51:14.680Glad you didn't resign from politics, Roger, despite all the attacks against you.
00:51:19.480I know a lot of us in politics who are, you know, strategists, political consultants.
00:51:23.760You know, we fashion ourselves poor man's Roger Stones.
00:51:26.540I mean, you popularized what it is to be someone to kind of dedicate your life working for causes who are working for America and America first.
00:52:15.220So literally when Trump was doing that and he was taking pictures with Jesse Jackson, Joe Biden was targeting Black Americans with criminal legislation.
00:52:24.280I think a lot of Black Americans were persuaded by that in 2020.
00:52:28.540But I think the NBA and all of these people coming out against Trump was such an uphill battle that despite the incremental gains we made, we could have made more.
00:52:42.540Illegals have supplanted Black Americans as, you know, I see people in Chicago complaining that their opioid fund is getting withdrawn and re-diverted to illegal immigrants.
00:52:52.140So I think we have to just stay on message.
00:52:55.100I think that people will admit that they were wrong.
00:52:58.360And I think you're going to see a lot of voters who were voters of color actually flip their vote from Biden to Trump in 2024.
00:53:05.040So all we have to do is stay on message and show up.
00:53:07.620And I think we're going to make big gains in those communities.
00:53:10.740And I think that's going to be a big scare for Democrats because without those strangleholds on the Black community and on the Brown community, they're really dead in the water.
00:53:18.860Also, I think you can't underscore how educated voters are.
00:53:23.100I think there are going to be voters who surely will come out and they will vote in favor of some abortion legislation.
00:53:30.620And then they're going to think about their wallets when they get to the top of the ticket.
00:53:33.900And they're going to look around and they're going to check that ballot for Donald J. Trump.
00:53:37.900And I hope those people also will check that ballot for those federal candidates because we need control of the Senate and we need control of Congress in order for us to get an agenda pushed through that's going to get these housing values down a little bit, that's going to restabilize our economy, and it's going to give people money back into their wallets.
00:53:54.840It's funny that you bring up that video.
00:54:08.740There were a number of the Buffalo Bills there.
00:54:10.880We were on the far end of a football field.
00:54:14.780What you had to do is you had to take a football and throw it through this tire.
00:54:19.980It was essentially more than halfway down the football field.
00:54:24.420And professional after professional from the Bills stepped up and they couldn't do it.
00:54:31.060And then Donald Trump, who is a great natural athlete, stood up and, of course, he got the football not only directly into the tire, but directly through the center of the tire.
00:54:48.180This was at a time that we were first beginning to think about the idea of Donald Trump running for public office.
00:54:56.820I always wanted him to run for president starting in 1988.
00:55:01.560There were others who thought he should run for governor of New York.
00:55:05.240I never thought that job was big enough for him.
00:55:08.280And ultimately, I'm glad that he didn't make a race for governor.
00:55:12.440I'm glad that he ultimately changed to focus on the most improbable presidential campaign in American history, his selective, his extraordinary election in 19, pardon me, in 2016.
00:55:32.340He's the first president who wasn't a general or a governor or a senator or a congressman.
00:55:40.100So he's the first business person we've elected president.
00:55:43.460He's the first person with no previous government experience, therefore, to be elected president.
00:55:48.960He began to realize what I saw several years earlier, which is the single most valuable commodity for someone who wishes to be president is being well-known.
00:56:02.140Getting to be well-known, universally known in America is not nearly as easy as some people might think.
00:56:13.620So the celebrity that he brought to a campaign for president was a very key part of his appeal.
00:56:23.820So in other words, usually first a candidate has to establish who they are before they're able to establish what it is they stand for.
00:56:33.440In our case, everybody already knew who Donald Trump was.
00:56:37.300So he was able to skip that step and move right into the America first agenda.
00:56:45.200It's why I think he was not only such a successful presidential candidate, but then based solely on his fierce independence, because believe me, I can tell you, no one tells Donald Trump what to do.
00:57:27.920Let me thank our guest, R.C. Maxwell, Arizona political strategist, for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:57:37.480And, R.C., you now have an open invitation next time you write one of your great pieces for Human Events, or you have something you think is important in Arizona or anywhere in the country.
00:57:49.060You have an open invitation to return to The Stone Zone.
00:58:08.340Well, you know, Roger, one thing I was thinking about what I wanted to say today here on the show, and I'm seeing this more in business.
00:58:15.860I'm seeing it when I go out into the world and I just interact with people.
00:58:20.080There's a severe lack of accountability, and I think we see that in every aspect of our lives from beginning to end.
00:58:26.540And whether it's people in business, whether it's people that are in stores, whether it's people that you just interact with on a daily basis, there's no accountability.
00:58:32.900You have people running around acting like children, basically, for most of their lives.
00:58:37.460And I think the problem, what we're seeing in America is the good people, the people that had sense, the people that actually believed in truth and honesty and integrity.
00:58:56.880And they think that they're entitled to destroy people because they disagree with them.
00:59:01.120And I think if there's anything that this next Trump presidency needs to be about, it's telling those people, no, you're not going to destroy the United States.
00:59:08.880You're not going to silence good people because they disagree with you.
00:59:13.340We're done with you putting restrictions on what we can say, how we act, how we live our lives.
00:59:18.440We are done with the chains of government that these people have put over us.
00:59:22.900And the overgrown children that are trying to take over society and tell us what we can and can't say, can and can't think, need to be told where to go.
00:59:30.620And they need to go directly to hell where they belong.
00:59:33.260So I think that's kind of what I, the message I wanted to deliver here, Roger.