The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 26, 2024


More Phony Indictments! This Time in Arizona—GOP Strategist RC Maxwell Breaks it Down—The StoneZONE


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Summary

On this episode of The Stone Zone, host Roger Stone is joined by his regular co-host Troy Smith and political strategist R.C. Maxwell to discuss the latest in domestic and international politics, including the charges brought against Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and 15 others in Arizona for advocating a slate of alternative electors, and why they should not be allowed to vote for the other party s nominee. Also, Stone and Smith discuss why alternative electors are not allowed under the Electoral Control Act of 1877 and why the mainstream media is wrong about their use of them in a presidential election, and how they should be used in a real election. And, of course, there's a special guest on the show to wrap up the episode: Stone's good friend and long-time supporter, R.J. O'Keefe. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society, and has lectured at countless events. He is a pop culture icon. Join us now to talk about what s going on in the world of politics, politics, and pop culture, with Roger Stone and Troy Smith on this week's Stone Zone! The Stonezone - Roger Stone - The StoneZONE Join Roger Stone: Roger Stone on & Troy Smith: Slingshot on The Stone Zone and The R. Co-host: The Political Strategist from Georgia Maxwell Maxwell: . Roger R. C.C., R. M.A. Maxwell: "Pardon Me from Arizona: The Mythical"? . . . , , R.S. "Podcast: The ? , "The Mythical ? , , and is a political strategist from Georgia, Troy Smith ( ) . & joins us to discuss what s happening here in Arizona. , with R.K. & the Arizona Project? with to discuss this week s latest in politics and the Arizona Republic? , The Arizona Republic , Roger Stone, , & , the ! , Troy Smith, & more!


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00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
00:00:07.900 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
00:00:11.960 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
00:00:17.600 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,
00:00:23.000 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
00:00:27.980 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
00:00:33.940 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
00:00:41.380 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
00:00:47.200 Joining me now to break down the latest in domestic and international politics is my normal co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith, joins me now.
00:01:06.400 Roger, it's always an honor to be here.
00:01:08.200 Troy, I spent a little time at the pool this morning.
00:01:13.500 I think I got a little sunburned, so I feel pretty good.
00:01:16.880 That was my one break of the day.
00:01:20.080 So, we saw late on Friday that, or pardon me, late yesterday, that in Arizona, Donald Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and 15 others were charged under state law for advocating the creation of a slate of alternative electors.
00:01:49.380 Now, the mainstream media keeps calling them fake electors as if there is no historical precedent for them, as if they are not allowed under the Electoral Control Act, I think, of 1877.
00:02:07.060 But, in truth, alternative electors in a presidential race have a substantial history.
00:02:16.240 In 1960, on election night, it appeared that Vice President Richard Nixon had carried Hawaii.
00:02:26.600 He put forward a slate of electors committed to himself.
00:02:32.460 The forces of Senator John F. Kennedy believed, correctly, that when all the absentee ballots in Hawaii were counted, that Kennedy would emerge as the leader.
00:02:48.100 Therefore, he legally established an alternative slate of electors.
00:02:53.660 And after a re-canvass and all of the absentee ballots were indeed counted, JFK carried the state of Hawaii, and the electors put forward by Vice President Nixon were disallowed,
00:03:12.640 while the electors that initially were alternative electors put forward by Senator John F. Kennedy were ultimately ceded, and those votes were counted in the Electoral College.
00:03:26.340 Also unclear, and I'm not a lawyer, as you know, but I've read the Electoral College Act multiple times, and prior to its amendment, the actual role of the Vice President does not appear to be clear to me.
00:03:46.660 It does not delineate precisely what his authority is, precisely what his latitude is.
00:03:55.980 It is a false narrative of the mainstream media who said that Trump was trying to get Vice President Pence to, quote-unquote,
00:04:07.160 throw out the electors in the states where he was contesting the outcome of the election, when in fact, based on everything I have read and seen,
00:04:20.740 what President Trump's advisors were urging the Vice President to do was to return those electors back to the states.
00:04:30.160 The state legislatures have the ultimate authority, by the way, to certify which electors should be counted by the Electoral College
00:04:40.140 and determine whether on the basis of allegations of voter fraud, anomalies, and irregularities,
00:04:50.860 whether they should be replaced or whether they should be returned to the Electoral College to be properly voted.
00:04:59.900 The mainstream media, particularly those at MSNBC, I don't want to name any names,
00:05:07.940 I remember, have completely misrepresented to the American people what the law says, what the history is,
00:05:18.020 seeking to make any effort to put aside an alternative elector slate pending the outcome of litigation,
00:05:31.760 potentially as an illicit criminal act.
00:05:36.040 Now, I had no involvement in any of the efforts to either delay the certification of the Electoral College
00:05:46.020 on the floor of the U.S. Senate, nor was I involved in Georgia or Arizona or Michigan or any of these places.
00:05:56.840 My full involvement consists of reading about it and following it in the media,
00:06:03.480 but they never let facts get in the way of a good fake narrative that aids their political arguments.
00:06:15.500 Joining us now to talk about what has gone down in Arizona is our guest.
00:06:24.900 That would be R.C. Maxwell, who is a political strategist from Georgia, pardon me, from Arizona, who joins us now.
00:06:38.120 Thanks for having me on, Roger.
00:06:39.720 I'm excited to discuss this ridiculous and ludicrous lawfare happening here in Arizona.
00:06:44.220 I'm very, very happy that you could join us, particularly on late notice.
00:06:50.280 I apologize for incorrectly introducing you as being from Georgia.
00:06:56.480 That is an error on my part.
00:07:00.320 So tell us what transpired this late last week.
00:07:07.600 Well, look, what's transpired here in Arizona, it's what's been happening nationally.
00:07:12.200 You know, if you can't beat him, throw him in jail.
00:07:14.740 You know, Roger, the last time I saw you was actually alongside James O'Keefe when I was working as his press secretary while in New York.
00:07:21.500 And he is also no stranger to this kind of just concocted BS.
00:07:25.460 I think he did a great job breaking down how alternate electors is nothing new.
00:07:30.560 It's a strategy for hotly contested elections.
00:07:33.900 I want to take you back to the year 2000.
00:07:36.220 You know, most kids during this time were watching WrestleMania, you know, when they were 12 years old.
00:07:41.020 My WrestleMania was Bush Gore 2000.
00:07:43.120 And I remember an attorney by the name of David Boyce who actually attended Broward County meetings in Florida.
00:07:51.660 And then all of a sudden after his attending at a meeting, they now change their process and they now count ballots that are called dimpled ballots, ballots that have punctured in them.
00:08:01.660 And Gore was able to get 585 additional votes.
00:08:05.240 That wasn't the end of the Democrat scheme in Florida.
00:08:08.180 They said that Republicans were intimidating people who were doing hand recounts down there in Florida.
00:08:16.140 Democrats actually invalidated hundreds of military ballots off of minor technical mistakes and errors that probably weren't even errors like name spelling variations or things scribbled minorly incorrectly.
00:08:30.440 So in 2000, the Democrats, they understood exactly what the goal was, was to come up with a strategy in order to get the votes that you thought could overturn the election.
00:08:40.700 That's exactly what the Trump campaign and folks were doing here in Arizona, literally just concocting a legal strategy, which is now being used as some nefarious plot to overturn the election.
00:08:53.120 Republicans in Arizona never went as far as Democrats did, actually changing and flipping votes in counties, actually invalidating votes of military members.
00:09:03.840 Republicans in Arizona never got that far.
00:09:05.580 They just said, we need to put together a slate of electorates.
00:09:09.100 These people are essentially Republican leaders here in Arizona, very well known and respected leaders.
00:09:14.660 It's all concocted.
00:09:16.820 No, no floor, no Florida Democrat who was contesting the 2000 election results were getting their licenses removed like Rudy Giuliani is.
00:09:26.420 So Americans can see through what this is for what it is.
00:09:29.520 And honestly, I think this is the worst of all the concocted law fairs done by Democrats, because it's blatantly obvious that there's nothing illegal about putting together a slate of alternate electorates during a hotly contested election where there are questions about the integrity of the election.
00:09:45.740 You know, what you say is absolutely true.
00:09:49.140 If you actually read the minutes of the meeting of the slate of alternative electors in Georgia, they specifically say we're holding this meeting, we're establishing this alternative slate of electors so that contingent on the outcome of litigation, all of our rights have been preserved.
00:10:12.100 That is not a claim that they should unilaterally be seated.
00:10:18.820 I don't think there's any illegal activity there, but well, evidently, Fonnie Wills sees things differently.
00:10:27.140 I'm glad that you brought up the 2000 election because there's a huge amount of disinformation out there about the so-called Brooks Brothers riot.
00:10:38.680 You can find it on Twitter, if you're really a masochist, where people say, well, Roger Stone stopped the recount of votes in Miami-Dade County, and that ultimately handed victory to George W. Bush.
00:10:58.360 That is incorrect.
00:11:00.980 What I was a party to was stopping two Democratic Party officials from violating the state sunshine laws, which have been decimated since then but were then very strong,
00:11:14.600 to take a pile of ballots that had already been counted three times into an area with no observers, no windows, no doors, none of the lawyers from both sides, no reporters.
00:11:31.700 And, yes, I told supporters in the building not to allow that door to be closed because closing it would have been a violation of the sunshine law.
00:11:44.360 So we did not stop the recount in Miami-Dade.
00:11:49.740 Every single vote in Miami-Dade was recounted.
00:11:53.700 And, Roger, they signed affidavits saying that they were intimidated from doing their job.
00:12:07.680 Now, I don't recall any criminal charges being brought about by Bush folks in power there.
00:12:13.780 And I think the reason that being is because Bush wasn't hell-bent on locking opponents up.
00:12:18.220 And it's clear that's what Democrats are doing.
00:12:20.040 One of the most devastating things about this lawsuit is the fact that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator.
00:12:25.760 If anything that you say in your lawsuit or in these charges have any validity to them, then you should expect Donald Trump to be charged.
00:12:33.180 I think this lawsuit, these charges were so poorly concocted, they knew that they couldn't even indict Donald Trump.
00:12:40.160 So they decided to indict all these folks.
00:12:42.340 And the entire briefing is written as a dissertation by a Democratic strategist.
00:12:47.940 It talks about how Donald Trump, Joe Biden, unequivocally won the election.
00:12:52.340 So it's just absolute BS.
00:12:54.380 And it's going to be solved through by the people.
00:12:57.140 This news came out at the same time in which a poll demonstrated how badly the Democrats were going to get shellacked out here.
00:13:03.940 Democrats got lucky in 2020 alongside the long voting lines and all the nonsense you saw out here in Arizona with the ballot paper being too long and stuff like that.
00:13:13.400 In addition to that, a lot of Republicans who were McCain supporters were just too, for lack of a better term, offended by Donald Trump's entire success and his presence.
00:13:24.740 But I think that now a lot of those McCainites, they're suffering with the housing prices and they're suffering through Biden's presidency.
00:13:31.600 They're going to hold their nose, so-called, and they're going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:13:36.160 And Democrats know that.
00:13:37.620 So they're trying to come up with something to galvanize the base out here.
00:13:40.840 But when you're using the court system to galvanize your base for political persecution, you're getting into eerily dangerous grounds in terms of destroying the fabric of our nation.
00:13:51.180 But that's exactly what Democrats are aiming to do, Roger, and you know that very well, especially with lots of news coming out now about the CIA's involvement in Watergate.
00:14:00.500 So this is a moment of awakening for America.
00:14:03.280 2024 is very important, and the Democrats know that.
00:14:06.420 So they're going to pull out all the stops.
00:14:07.960 And it's just unfortunate that many of these good people, Tyler Boyer, Jake Hoffman, I mean, Nancy Cottle is a great older woman out here in Arizona, just a local Republican leader being indicted and now having to hire lawyers at times in which they're already, these people aren't millionaires.
00:14:24.040 They aren't well-known, Democratic, connected, conservative millionaires.
00:14:29.240 These are just good people being smeared by a Biden administration and their fogies just insistent on waging war and using the law as a tool for that war.
00:14:40.760 All right, we're going to cut to a quick commercial break.
00:14:43.840 And when we come back, my co-host, Troy Smith, will have the next question for Republican strategist R.C. Maxwell of Arizona.
00:14:54.180 So don't go anywhere.
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00:16:07.160 Is there any regrets that you have in life?
00:16:11.920 I should sit here and say, yeah, I got a lot of, yeah, I got a lot of regrets.
00:16:16.300 But when I look back on my life and I understand the lives that were lost, I mean, I'm sitting
00:16:25.360 here with you in here with you and I can tell my story.
00:16:30.360 Former National Security Advisor Lieutenant General Michael Flynn is pleading guilty today for lying to the FBI.
00:16:35.740 He was one of the most respected generals in the military.
00:16:37.920 He was, by definition, the most dangerous possible person for Donald Trump to hire.
00:16:43.740 He lived a brilliant military career serving 33 years ago.
00:16:47.300 Why was he being so elusive about him?
00:16:48.300 Mike Flynn told the truth and faced life in prison.
00:16:51.060 Welcome back, folks.
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00:18:13.300 So you're going to want to check that out as well.
00:18:16.460 We return now to our interview with R.C. Maxwell.
00:18:21.320 He is a Republican strategist from the state of Arizona.
00:18:26.380 And we're talking about these shocking developments yesterday in which 17 people, including President Donald Trump, who I guess was named as an unindicted co-conspirator, were charged in connection with the 2020 election.
00:18:48.760 Troy Smith, my co-host, is in the House, as is our guest, R.C. Maxwell.
00:18:56.560 And, Troy, the next question goes to you.
00:19:00.020 Well, you know, we're seeing, you know, the Democrat Party in the state of Arizona, it seems to me they're just taking out their political opposition.
00:19:08.420 I think you put it very well in the last segment there.
00:19:10.500 What can you tell us about Attorney General Chris Mays and where this has been kind of like how long has this been developing?
00:19:16.880 What was the plan here?
00:19:18.300 And where do you think they go from here?
00:19:21.220 Well, many insiders in Arizona had suspected that this could be coming for some time, and they suspected this as a result of, you know, some of the subpoenas and stuff that came down from Michigan and other states like Georgia as well.
00:19:33.080 But this was a bit of a shock, and this is also news that I can break here on the show, which is that some of the clients actually did not get the notification that the indictment had actually came.
00:19:45.060 Attorneys may have been informed, but attorneys had not been able to successfully make contact with some of the defendants who were, you know, on vacation.
00:19:53.900 And this was they heard about it through the news.
00:19:56.980 You know, prosecutors immediately leaked this information to members of the media.
00:20:00.560 So, yeah, this is certainly something that has been coming from the AG's office for a long time.
00:20:05.920 And this is, unfortunately, what the AG's office in Arizona is focused on.
00:20:09.720 This is exactly what Democrats do.
00:20:11.660 They get into these seats of power in Arizona that has been historically Republican, like the Secretary of State's office, previously the Maricopa Recorder's office.
00:20:20.220 And all of a sudden, there's a dramatic shift in policy that just so happens to result in more power in the hands of the Democrats.
00:20:27.200 You have Katie Hobbs ripping up the school choice system immediately by destroying the equal, the ESA out here.
00:20:34.720 And now you have Chris Mays, who won by 280 votes against Abe Hamaday, which is, you know, right within the margin of contestability.
00:20:44.480 I mean, even Gore was even Bush, Florida, I think, was 537 votes in some of those counties at one point.
00:20:51.440 She won. She won by 280 votes.
00:20:54.480 And many of those votes were contested by Abe.
00:20:58.200 That was just unfortunately unsuccessful.
00:21:00.560 And now you see what the stakes were with the weapons and weaponization of government coming in immediately.
00:21:05.380 I mean, one of these defendants is someone who actually is spending a lot of time taking care of her ailing husband.
00:21:12.280 And now all of a sudden, she's going to have to be thredged into a legal battle here.
00:21:17.460 I mean, a lot of these folks like Jake Hoffman, Senator Anthony Kern, they're dug in.
00:21:21.440 They're ready to fight this.
00:21:22.420 But again, like I said, a lot of these folks are just Republican leaders out here, mothers, grandmothers,
00:21:28.080 who are now being thrown into this lawfare simply because Democrats have this appetite to get Trump,
00:21:34.800 which they're not going to do because the American people can see right through this.
00:21:37.980 And hopefully Arizona's legal system doesn't go rogue and we're able to get this dismissed immediately.
00:21:44.980 Well, if past is prologue, I guess I would have some concerns.
00:21:49.860 I followed very closely the contesting of the election in the state courts by Carrie Lake.
00:21:58.640 I think her attorney, Kurt Olson, is extraordinarily able.
00:22:04.000 It's interesting that the court gave them a very, very abbreviated period of time to make their case.
00:22:11.040 You would think that the justice system would have all the time in the world for truth
00:22:15.580 and to try to sort through the facts and every argument that unfortunately hasn't happened.
00:22:21.560 It's particularly ironic because Arizona actually has a history of a past gubernatorial campaign being voided,
00:22:29.360 election being voided on the basis of egregious fraud.
00:22:34.460 Now, it was many, many, many decades ago, but it has happened.
00:22:40.160 There is precedent for it.
00:22:41.820 R.C., I guess my question is the Supreme Court filing of about two weeks ago in which Carrie Lake and her allies
00:22:53.640 produced shocking new evidence of election irregularities, particularly abuse within the machines,
00:23:05.060 while the Supreme Court seems to me not to be willing to hear that evidence, which is extraordinarily disappointing.
00:23:14.300 I wonder whether all of that compiled evidence could not be the basis for a motion to dismiss these charges that were announced yesterday.
00:23:27.340 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:23:29.080 I mean, the motion to dismiss, I imagine, is going to be very beefy here from the defendants,
00:23:34.320 considering the lack of teeth here that's in this lawsuit.
00:23:37.640 And I think Democrats are fine with that.
00:23:39.660 Again, they wanted this lawsuit to kind of be a Democratic press release.
00:23:43.280 However, a lot of the evidence that Carrie Lake has had dismissed by other courts
00:23:47.900 is certainly at least evidence that there's a reason for them to put together a slate of alternate electors.
00:23:55.020 You have to remember, one of the justifications here in this charging document is that Rudy Giuliani made up allegations of voter fraud.
00:24:03.600 As long as the defendants are able to prove in this instance that these instances of voter fraud aren't made up,
00:24:08.960 they're grounded in some sort of literature,
00:24:11.100 whether or not that literature has not been interpreted as enough to overturn the results of election is one thing.
00:24:16.960 But there's certainly enough evidence to indicate that there is just cause for the electors to have a dutiful belief
00:24:24.760 that this election could be overturned on the basis of actual fraud.
00:24:28.840 And as long as that's the case, then there's nothing here.
00:24:31.880 There is no indictment because everything that the indictment is based upon is based upon the idea of made up allegations of fraud.
00:24:40.480 If the fraud is remotely possible, then this indictment goes away.
00:24:43.960 So that's a good point. The motion to dismiss is certainly going to be beefy,
00:24:48.260 and it's going to take a while for that to be handled.
00:24:52.420 And I'm sure the defendants are going to appeal, even if the dismiss is not granted.
00:24:57.360 And there's going to be good reasons for an appeals court,
00:24:59.740 which is usually a lot less politicized than some of the lower courts, to potentially overturn this.
00:25:05.820 So again, it's going to come down to some legal decisions.
00:25:09.380 But you know how Democrats are.
00:25:10.860 Once decisions get made, they move on to the next grift.
00:25:14.360 They move on to the next scam.
00:25:15.960 And there's going to be something else that they're going to be working on.
00:25:19.040 But Arizona just has to maintain any bit of normalcy and kind of see through this and see through what is right here.
00:25:28.660 Okay, Troy, do you have a question for our guest, R.C. Maxwell?
00:25:32.700 Absolutely. And then afterwards, if you could add on to it, Roger, my question to you, sir, is do you think that this is the end of the road as far as 2020 election indictments?
00:25:41.420 Or do you think there's going to be additional, you know, maybe not in Arizona, but in other states heading into 2024?
00:25:46.880 Because as you said, I mean, this is a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats, is it not?
00:25:51.380 It's a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats.
00:25:54.600 I don't quite think it's over with.
00:25:56.800 You had an instance not too long ago in Wisconsin, Peter Berneger, who's been bringing about lots of complaints in Wisconsin about election irregularities.
00:26:07.480 He actually did an investigation with James O'Keefe about irregularities involving Act Blue.
00:26:12.080 And now he's getting charged with intimidation of an election official.
00:26:15.940 So I don't think this is the end.
00:26:17.660 I think that Democrats realize that there are older folks out there and there are normies who don't quite pay attention to the news and aren't quite willing to believe that our court system has become politicized to this point.
00:26:31.040 And they think those people could be persuaded by instances of charges being brought about individuals because, you know, historically, you know, criminality is associated with wrongdoing and allegations of criminality is certainly not something that folks want to be involved in who are engaging in government servitude.
00:26:50.200 So, no, I don't think we're done with Democrat indictments.
00:26:53.700 And I think that we're not done with Democrat lawsuits either.
00:26:56.580 I think you're going to see more defamation attempts, just like you're seeing against Cary Lake, because they know that this is expensive.
00:27:04.600 And what they do is they pile together money and their goal is to legally bankrupt you.
00:27:10.380 Lauren Windsor, who's a Democrat operative, made the mistake of sending this in an email with folks about James O'Keefe.
00:27:16.360 They said we have to sue him to oblivion.
00:27:19.700 It's all about legally bankrupting him.
00:27:21.480 So that's what Democrat strategy is.
00:27:23.560 Punishment is the process.
00:27:24.920 And that's one of the reasons why the moment that these indictments came, it was leaked to members of the media.
00:27:30.360 And then a lot of these defendants, they may not be trying to make themselves victims, but they're going through a lot of death threats that they're getting right now.
00:27:36.940 Just constant, just cyclical noise.
00:27:39.920 And, again, the punishment is the process.
00:27:41.460 So I don't think we're done with indictments, no.
00:27:44.200 Folks, if you're just tuning in, this is The Stone Zone.
00:27:48.000 I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith, and our guest today, R.C. Maxwell, a Republican strategist from Arizona.
00:27:56.860 We're going to take a quick commercial break.
00:27:59.140 And then when we get back, I want to ask R.C. Maxwell not about the past, but about the future.
00:28:05.340 How the prospects look for Donald Trump carrying Arizona in the next presidential election.
00:28:12.800 How the prospects look for Carrie Lake in the U.S. Senate race.
00:28:17.380 So you're not going to want to miss that.
00:28:19.080 Stand by for this message, and we'll be right back.
00:28:22.180 Joining me at the news desk now is Rebecca Walzer of walzerwealth.com.
00:28:33.060 She has been a regular guest on my TV show, Brennan House Live, for a long time.
00:28:38.360 She's not just an economics expert, but she's an attorney.
00:28:42.080 Rebecca, you have a large firm.
00:28:44.220 How many people work for your firm?
00:28:45.460 Just about 30, yes.
00:28:46.920 30.
00:28:47.420 Yes.
00:28:47.680 Tell me, how can people prepare for what's coming with the, well, the end of the dollar as we know it?
00:28:53.140 The end of the fiat system as we know it globally.
00:28:55.260 We are moving to hard asset-backed currencies again.
00:28:58.160 Thank the Lord, because fiat is where we get into all the problems.
00:29:01.400 When you have debt-based currency, you have debt-based problems.
00:29:04.680 And the United States, unfortunately, since 2020, has not stopped spinning at pandemic levels.
00:29:10.200 This is systemic, and it is unsustainable, and it is coming to an end,
00:29:14.380 especially with the addition of Saudi Arabia and the UAE to the BRICS nations.
00:29:18.320 This is what controls our petrodollar.
00:29:20.180 This is the threat immediately in 2024.
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00:32:30.220 I'm here with Troy Smith, the editor-in-large at Slingshot.News,
00:32:37.000 and also R.C. Maxwell, who is a Republican strategist from Arizona,
00:32:44.300 who we're very pleased and honored to have with us today.
00:32:49.180 So, all politics is, of course, not about the past, but about the future.
00:32:55.000 Richard Nixon did not get elected in 1968 by whining incessantly about the 1960 election,
00:33:02.120 which was stolen from him.
00:33:04.060 It's not that election integrity is not a legitimate issue.
00:33:09.320 It is, but that's because the stealing was so egregious, so outrageous, so obvious, so documentable.
00:33:18.520 It will always be a topic.
00:33:20.800 But Americans, I think, are concerned about our future.
00:33:24.440 They're concerned about the safety of their neighborhoods.
00:33:27.560 They're concerned about the cost of living, the cost of groceries, the cost of gasoline,
00:33:35.540 whether there is affordable housing, one of the huge sleeper issues in the country,
00:33:42.880 as this influx of illegal migrants puts a huge pressure on our housing stock.
00:33:51.500 And I think, in many cases, there's resentment by U.S. citizens, poorer Black and white families,
00:33:59.000 Hispanic, Asian families, of the lack of affordable housing.
00:34:04.420 I'm not even touching on the fentanyl crisis, the crime epidemic,
00:34:09.600 Hispanic, the fiscal crisis in our cities and counties and states being caused by the open border policies of Joe Biden.
00:34:20.760 So that's a long intro.
00:34:23.440 But, R.C., how do things look in Arizona for the next election?
00:34:28.800 Things are looking really good.
00:34:31.900 And one of the reasons why you're seeing that polling data look so positive is because Republicans,
00:34:36.840 mainly thanks to the help of organizations like Turning Point Action,
00:34:40.140 have now actually invested in the ground game.
00:34:42.920 I have the pleasure of working with some of these strategic minds like Charlie Kirk, Tyler Boyer,
00:34:47.080 who essentially put together Trump's first rally, Cliff Maloney Jr.,
00:34:50.700 who practically built Young Americans for Liberty into the powerhouse that it was.
00:34:54.060 All those figures are working together on a ballot-chasing operation,
00:34:57.960 which is essentially going to turn out low-propensity, disengaged, inactive.
00:35:03.060 Those are the voters that Republicans need to carry in order to win by a landslide.
00:35:07.420 The base has certainly woken up.
00:35:09.300 But what we need to do is we need to win those uninspired voters.
00:35:12.160 And the only way to reach those folks is by ground game.
00:35:14.620 Turning Point now has opened a field office in Wisconsin, now also in Michigan.
00:35:19.080 And things are also looking great in Arizona.
00:35:21.820 Again, we had the votes here.
00:35:23.500 Kimberly Yee was able to win Treasury out here, a statewide position in Arizona.
00:35:29.340 And she won.
00:35:30.440 She had about 300,000 additional votes that she won by.
00:35:33.980 So the votes are certainly here.
00:35:36.100 There were some things that happened in 2020 that got away from us in terms of messaging
00:35:40.320 that's also being rectified.
00:35:42.160 I think Republicans in Arizona are going to have a resounding victory
00:35:45.340 because Democrats like Katie Hobbs, again, they're taking away things like the ESA,
00:35:50.980 which parents are using, in order for their tax dollars to follow the student.
00:35:55.820 Arizona's looked at it as the model for school choice because of that.
00:35:59.340 And Katie Hobbs wants to rip that up.
00:36:00.900 She's vetoing practically anything and everything because she's on a war path.
00:36:06.040 So people realize that in Arizona.
00:36:08.220 And we were going to win big because of it.
00:36:10.080 Houses that were once a quarter of a million dollars are now half a million dollars in just
00:36:16.180 five years in Arizona.
00:36:17.720 It's untenable.
00:36:18.780 It's unsustainable.
00:36:20.220 And I think normie voters and run-of-the-mill Republicans and independents are now finally
00:36:25.280 willing to stand up and say, this is nonsense.
00:36:27.860 So because of that, you're going to see Democrats get more aggressive.
00:36:30.400 And they're going to get more desperate with this law fair and touting things like Arizona,
00:36:35.080 which was some nonsense that I was a part of last week with some craziness protests that's
00:36:40.580 also happening this week at the Capitol over the right to kill babies.
00:36:45.960 So I think Arizona's in a good position.
00:36:48.820 But again, this is only April.
00:36:51.640 We're going to have an October surprise.
00:36:53.540 Who knows what that's going to be?
00:36:55.400 Let's just hope it's in our favor.
00:36:57.100 Roger.
00:36:57.300 Troy, you're up next.
00:37:00.940 A question for R.C.
00:37:02.300 Maxwell.
00:37:03.640 Absolutely.
00:37:04.340 So you mentioned it there.
00:37:05.720 There's been a lot of news about abortion in the state of Arizona.
00:37:09.200 Does abortion, you know, the push there to have the Democrats kind of come out and vote
00:37:12.800 for abortion and strengthen their numbers, does that worry you at all?
00:37:16.460 What's the Republican strategy out there to kind of combat that?
00:37:20.320 I would be lying if I said it didn't worry me.
00:37:22.240 It certainly worries me.
00:37:23.260 Every time abortion has been put to the test legislatively, it has not succeeded.
00:37:28.200 I'm a pro-life individual, but I'm someone who also feels like the pro-life movement does
00:37:33.480 not do enough when they have the spotlight.
00:37:36.580 So what we're trying to do right now in Arizona is we're trying to do enough.
00:37:39.680 We're trying to educate the public on the reality of what Democrats are proposing, and we're
00:37:44.360 trying to essentially beat back the narrative that, look, we're not the ones who's radical.
00:37:48.840 It's actually Democrats who support abortion up until the month and up until the point of
00:37:53.140 pregnancy.
00:37:54.200 But the thing that's actually not being reported on is that Arizona Democrats were already
00:37:59.260 trying to use abortion as something to get folks up and energized.
00:38:02.140 There's an abortion amendment that's actually on the ballot, most likely in November.
00:38:07.920 Petition is currently circulating, but we think they're going to get the signature.
00:38:11.880 So on the ballot is going to be an abortion bill, very vague written in terms of its legislation.
00:38:17.820 The way it's phrased, it certainly allows the healthcare professional to decide if there's
00:38:23.420 fetal viability or not.
00:38:25.120 And the definition of fetal viability has been changed.
00:38:27.600 So this law certainly allows abortion up until the point of pregnancy, and it's certainly
00:38:34.020 something that Democrats are trying to rally around.
00:38:36.760 We have certainly seen more fight from the pro-life movement here in Arizona on that fact,
00:38:42.240 educating folks on statistics on Black abortion, educating folks on how babies at the earliest
00:38:48.220 six weeks respond to stimuli, things getting poked into them.
00:38:51.720 They can feel pain.
00:38:52.760 Their neural plate has formed.
00:38:54.020 And there's a lot of folks fighting back on that point, but there's a lot of Republicans
00:38:58.360 who think that maybe we should scale back.
00:39:01.220 And this is certainly something worth keeping an eye on and something that might energize
00:39:05.200 Democrats going down the road in the future.
00:39:07.660 But if you look at the polling data, it's not energizing them yet.
00:39:10.580 People are looking at their wallets and they think that the Biden administration has to
00:39:14.480 get out of there.
00:39:15.100 And Trump has done a good job staying on messaging with his abortion talking points as well.
00:39:21.200 So worth keeping an eye on.
00:39:23.260 It's certainly something that I am concerned about.
00:39:26.120 I definitely agree with your analysis.
00:39:29.820 Here in Florida, Democrats have succeeded in putting the legalization of recreational marijuana
00:39:38.120 on the ballot through a constitutional amendment.
00:39:40.840 We also have an abortion question because Governor Ron DeSantis here, forced through a six weeks
00:39:48.420 abortion ban, was unpopular even among some who are pro-life as politically dangerous.
00:39:59.120 And they put it on the ballot.
00:40:01.260 Now, this is designed not because they care about those issues per se, but to bring out a
00:40:06.820 much larger number of younger voters, perhaps more libertarian-oriented voters.
00:40:14.200 First of all, I think they may be surprised.
00:40:16.460 Some of those younger voters that they bring out who may end up voting, for example, for
00:40:22.320 the legalization of recreational cannabis, also want jobs.
00:40:28.160 They also want an economic future.
00:40:31.040 And looking at the poll numbers in Florida, Trump's gains among Hispanic voters, particularly
00:40:40.020 among younger voters, and among African-American voters, have been really, really impressive.
00:40:48.600 His gains among Hispanic voters are actually historic.
00:40:52.620 They include that large a swing.
00:40:56.460 So, for example, those Spanish-speaking voters in Florida who get their news in English is
00:41:06.320 where Trump and Republicans have made major inroads.
00:41:11.640 Those Spanish-speaking voters who still get their news in Spanish-language media, meaning
00:41:19.620 Spanish-language radio, Spanish-language cable, is where Republicans and President Trump could
00:41:28.940 continue to make gains.
00:41:31.220 When you look at all the other factors between those voters, they're identical in their ideology.
00:41:39.520 They're identical in their socioeconomic circumstances.
00:41:44.080 So, there doesn't seem to be any explanation for why Republicans have made gains among one group
00:41:53.600 and not the other, other than the mode of communications.
00:41:59.300 Note to self, campaign must have Spanish-language radio advertising.
00:42:06.240 This is something else that I think did not happen in the 2020 election.
00:42:11.480 I think Donald Trump had and has an extraordinarily strong case to make regarding not only how a vibrant, robust economy
00:42:26.240 brought us the lowest levels of black unemployment in the history of the country.
00:42:32.880 Now, you add to it the criminal justice reform under the First Step Act and the Second Chance Act,
00:42:42.300 essentially fixing the fact that under Joe Biden, we had the harsh mandatory penalties
00:42:52.260 for the first-time nonviolent crime of possession of small amounts of drugs,
00:42:58.740 clogging our prisons and jails with people who were not a danger to themselves, to anyone,
00:43:04.880 other than perhaps themselves, and at the same time, the folks who believed it belonged in
00:43:12.040 drug treatment programs, not in taxpayer-financed incarceration.
00:43:18.000 He gets no credit for those things because I don't think he talked about them enough.
00:43:23.880 Urban radio, extremely efficient way to reach black voters, should very definitely, in my opinion, be a mix.
00:43:34.860 And then, of course, there's the president's platinum plan, the economic development plan for black Americans,
00:43:42.880 actually modeled on Richard Nixon's plan of black capitalism.
00:43:47.940 There's a lot to sell.
00:43:50.080 The mistake we make is not communicating with these voters.
00:43:54.920 The mistake we make is writing them off, and that is an enormous mistake.
00:44:01.280 We're going to go to a quick commercial break here,
00:44:04.740 and we're going to continue with R.C. Maxwell, who has proven to be a terrific guest.
00:44:10.860 R.C., I ask you to hang on, and we'll be right back.
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00:45:22.720 Andy, Steve.
00:45:25.340 Is there any regrets that you have in life?
00:45:28.120 I should sit here and say, yeah, I got a lot of, yeah, I got a lot of regrets,
00:45:33.080 but when I look back on my life and I understand the lives that were lost,
00:45:39.540 I mean, I'm sitting here with you,
00:45:42.760 and I can tell my story.
00:45:46.540 Former Hatchell Security Advisor, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn,
00:45:49.540 pleading guilty today for lying to the FBI.
00:45:51.940 He was one of the most respected generals in the military.
00:45:54.120 He was, by definition, the most dangerous possible person
00:45:58.040 for Donald Trump to hire.
00:45:59.940 He's a brilliant military career, serving 33 years ago.
00:46:03.420 Why was he being so elusive about him?
00:46:04.480 Mike Flynn pulled the truth and faced life in prison.
00:46:07.260 Welcome back, folks.
00:46:33.660 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
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00:47:11.660 We're continuing our discussion with R.C. Maxwell.
00:47:16.020 He is a Republican strategist from Arizona, and also in the House, of course,
00:47:22.400 is my co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News.
00:47:29.760 Gentlemen.
00:47:34.520 Okay.
00:47:36.200 It's kind of hard to know where to go from here.
00:47:40.440 It's amazing how much of the nation's focus is on Arizona.
00:47:45.840 Last night, I attended a fundraiser, spoke at a fundraiser for Mark Fincham, who's running for the State Senate.
00:47:54.280 He's a very good man.
00:47:56.960 It's interesting because when you've taken a beating in politics, and I certainly have taken one,
00:48:03.940 my children, my grandchildren, even my wife said, you know, maybe it's time to pack it in.
00:48:10.960 Maybe you should just go to the beach and write historical books and stay out of the fray.
00:48:18.400 Well, I can't do that.
00:48:20.940 I love my country too much, and I cannot do that.
00:48:25.060 Therefore, I'm subjected to the vilifications and the vituperation of crazy people on social media who say,
00:48:34.580 oh, Roger Stone was seen on Epstein's Island.
00:48:38.400 He was wearing a bull mask.
00:48:40.360 He assaulted a 15-year-old, and we know it was him because of his Nixon tattoo.
00:48:48.100 That is a damned lie.
00:48:51.560 There is no basis in fact.
00:48:54.800 There is no credible witness who could claim that because, well, I'm actually the first author in the country to fully expose Jeffrey Epstein.
00:49:04.560 I'm the first person to write a book about his ties to the Clinton Foundation, to the Clinton Global Initiative.
00:49:13.260 I had his little black book with attribution to author Nick Bryan in my book, The Clinton's War on Women.
00:49:21.020 I also had the FAA manifest that shows you who did go to Epstein's Island.
00:49:28.100 You won't find Roger Stone's name on any of those published lists.
00:49:32.900 So this is the price you pay for being in the arena.
00:49:38.600 Sure, you can sue people who say that.
00:49:41.800 The defamation laws are not very well structured, but that's such an egregious example of defamation.
00:49:49.840 The hard part may be tracking them down to serve the folks that say crazy things like this.
00:49:56.600 All right, sorry about that diatribe, but I had to get that off my chest today.
00:50:02.900 Thank you for saying that, Roger.
00:50:05.860 It's not easy to be in the arena.
00:50:09.480 Tell us a little bit about your background, R.C.
00:50:12.440 I'm interested in how you got into Republican politics.
00:50:17.160 Look, I was someone who didn't really know a lot about the politics within politics when I was interested.
00:50:24.420 Certainly was someone who liked to watch cable news and liked to debate.
00:50:27.980 I was a big debater in high school and college.
00:50:31.040 So I came into politics actually interning for Meg Whitman, who ran for governor in 2010.
00:50:35.560 And then I was big with Mitt Romney's actual student group, Roland for Romney, in 2012.
00:50:40.960 Then I was away from politics, you know, getting my education, dabbling in the marketing industry.
00:50:45.420 And then I kind of came back actually 2015, 2016, really liked what Marco, really liked Marco Rubio, always liked him.
00:50:51.960 He was young, you know.
00:50:53.580 And then this guy, Donald Trump, was making a lot of sense.
00:50:56.920 And I started to see how within the Republican Party, how they were working to essentially knife Donald Trump as much as they could.
00:51:03.480 And I made a risk to essentially work for Trump team, Oregon.
00:51:07.520 And we won the election, won the primary in Oregon.
00:51:11.100 And I kind of decided I like politics.
00:51:12.880 I'm going to stay in this full time.
00:51:14.680 Glad you didn't resign from politics, Roger, despite all the attacks against you.
00:51:19.480 I know a lot of us in politics who are, you know, strategists, political consultants.
00:51:23.760 You know, we fashion ourselves poor man's Roger Stones.
00:51:26.540 I mean, you popularized what it is to be someone to kind of dedicate your life working for causes who are working for America and America first.
00:51:35.900 So that's essentially what I do.
00:51:37.640 I've dedicated my life to working for folks like James O'Keefe, Brigitte Gabriel.
00:51:42.120 I've already said Charlie Kirk and Cliff Maloney.
00:51:44.740 And just a lot of conservative entities.
00:51:47.100 And we have to take this country back.
00:51:48.820 And we're not going to take it back by not showing up.
00:51:52.280 You know, I think 80% of politics is just showing up.
00:51:55.280 So you're absolutely right.
00:51:56.640 Republicans have to be in communities of color.
00:52:00.240 And I think you're right.
00:52:01.260 The Republicans have to stay on message.
00:52:03.400 I think we're making incremental gains.
00:52:05.280 But we have to keep at it.
00:52:06.300 I was watching a great video of Trump throwing a football through like a little hole like they do for the quarterback challenge.
00:52:13.520 And it was in 1992.
00:52:15.220 So literally when Trump was doing that and he was taking pictures with Jesse Jackson, Joe Biden was targeting Black Americans with criminal legislation.
00:52:24.280 I think a lot of Black Americans were persuaded by that in 2020.
00:52:28.540 But I think the NBA and all of these people coming out against Trump was such an uphill battle that despite the incremental gains we made, we could have made more.
00:52:39.040 Now it's 2024.
00:52:40.600 Reparations didn't come.
00:52:42.540 Illegals have supplanted Black Americans as, you know, I see people in Chicago complaining that their opioid fund is getting withdrawn and re-diverted to illegal immigrants.
00:52:52.140 So I think we have to just stay on message.
00:52:55.100 I think that people will admit that they were wrong.
00:52:58.360 And I think you're going to see a lot of voters who were voters of color actually flip their vote from Biden to Trump in 2024.
00:53:05.040 So all we have to do is stay on message and show up.
00:53:07.620 And I think we're going to make big gains in those communities.
00:53:10.740 And I think that's going to be a big scare for Democrats because without those strangleholds on the Black community and on the Brown community, they're really dead in the water.
00:53:18.860 Also, I think you can't underscore how educated voters are.
00:53:23.100 I think there are going to be voters who surely will come out and they will vote in favor of some abortion legislation.
00:53:30.620 And then they're going to think about their wallets when they get to the top of the ticket.
00:53:33.900 And they're going to look around and they're going to check that ballot for Donald J. Trump.
00:53:37.900 And I hope those people also will check that ballot for those federal candidates because we need control of the Senate and we need control of Congress in order for us to get an agenda pushed through that's going to get these housing values down a little bit, that's going to restabilize our economy, and it's going to give people money back into their wallets.
00:53:54.840 It's funny that you bring up that video.
00:53:59.200 That was in Buffalo, New York.
00:54:01.440 I was actually there that day traveling with Donald Trump.
00:54:07.140 It was a charity event.
00:54:08.740 There were a number of the Buffalo Bills there.
00:54:10.880 We were on the far end of a football field.
00:54:14.780 What you had to do is you had to take a football and throw it through this tire.
00:54:19.980 It was essentially more than halfway down the football field.
00:54:24.420 And professional after professional from the Bills stepped up and they couldn't do it.
00:54:31.060 And then Donald Trump, who is a great natural athlete, stood up and, of course, he got the football not only directly into the tire, but directly through the center of the tire.
00:54:44.040 It was an amazing, amazing moment.
00:54:48.180 This was at a time that we were first beginning to think about the idea of Donald Trump running for public office.
00:54:56.820 I always wanted him to run for president starting in 1988.
00:55:01.560 There were others who thought he should run for governor of New York.
00:55:05.240 I never thought that job was big enough for him.
00:55:08.280 And ultimately, I'm glad that he didn't make a race for governor.
00:55:12.440 I'm glad that he ultimately changed to focus on the most improbable presidential campaign in American history, his selective, his extraordinary election in 19, pardon me, in 2016.
00:55:32.340 He's the first president who wasn't a general or a governor or a senator or a congressman.
00:55:40.100 So he's the first business person we've elected president.
00:55:43.460 He's the first person with no previous government experience, therefore, to be elected president.
00:55:48.960 He began to realize what I saw several years earlier, which is the single most valuable commodity for someone who wishes to be president is being well-known.
00:56:02.140 Getting to be well-known, universally known in America is not nearly as easy as some people might think.
00:56:13.620 So the celebrity that he brought to a campaign for president was a very key part of his appeal.
00:56:23.820 So in other words, usually first a candidate has to establish who they are before they're able to establish what it is they stand for.
00:56:33.440 In our case, everybody already knew who Donald Trump was.
00:56:37.300 So he was able to skip that step and move right into the America first agenda.
00:56:45.200 It's why I think he was not only such a successful presidential candidate, but then based solely on his fierce independence, because believe me, I can tell you, no one tells Donald Trump what to do.
00:57:01.380 No one.
00:57:02.300 He is fiercely independent, very much his own man.
00:57:05.880 He's not handled.
00:57:07.940 He's not managed.
00:57:09.580 He's not scripted.
00:57:11.340 He's not phony.
00:57:12.560 Most of the politicians we see don't open their mouth without polling and focus groups and roundtabling it.
00:57:20.480 Not true with Donald Trump.
00:57:22.820 What you see is what you get.
00:57:26.120 All right.
00:57:26.420 Unfortunately, we are out of time.
00:57:27.920 Let me thank our guest, R.C. Maxwell, Arizona political strategist, for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:57:37.480 And, R.C., you now have an open invitation next time you write one of your great pieces for Human Events, or you have something you think is important in Arizona or anywhere in the country.
00:57:49.060 You have an open invitation to return to The Stone Zone.
00:57:54.060 Thank you, Roger.
00:57:55.280 It was an honor just to be able to speak with you.
00:57:57.920 I appreciate your being here, particularly on late notice.
00:58:03.040 Okay, Troy, I'm going to leave it to you here to wrap it up.
00:58:07.240 Final thoughts.
00:58:08.340 Well, you know, Roger, one thing I was thinking about what I wanted to say today here on the show, and I'm seeing this more in business.
00:58:15.860 I'm seeing it when I go out into the world and I just interact with people.
00:58:20.080 There's a severe lack of accountability, and I think we see that in every aspect of our lives from beginning to end.
00:58:26.540 And whether it's people in business, whether it's people that are in stores, whether it's people that you just interact with on a daily basis, there's no accountability.
00:58:32.900 You have people running around acting like children, basically, for most of their lives.
00:58:37.460 And I think the problem, what we're seeing in America is the good people, the people that had sense, the people that actually believed in truth and honesty and integrity.
00:58:45.620 They're slowly being phased out.
00:58:47.300 They're slowly getting older.
00:58:48.460 They're leaving the space.
00:58:49.420 And what's taking over is a bunch of overgrown children who are really, they're pompous, they're arrogant.
00:58:55.440 They have no basis in reality.
00:58:56.880 And they think that they're entitled to destroy people because they disagree with them.
00:59:01.120 And I think if there's anything that this next Trump presidency needs to be about, it's telling those people, no, you're not going to destroy the United States.
00:59:08.880 You're not going to silence good people because they disagree with you.
00:59:11.660 And we're done with the policing.
00:59:13.340 We're done with you putting restrictions on what we can say, how we act, how we live our lives.
00:59:18.440 We are done with the chains of government that these people have put over us.
00:59:22.900 And the overgrown children that are trying to take over society and tell us what we can and can't say, can and can't think, need to be told where to go.
00:59:30.620 And they need to go directly to hell where they belong.
00:59:33.260 So I think that's kind of what I, the message I wanted to deliver here, Roger.
00:59:38.580 Okay, there we have it.
00:59:40.280 Thanks again to our guest, R.C. Maxwell.
00:59:43.040 Thanks also to my co-host, Troy Smith at Slingshot.News.
00:59:49.060 Until Monday, I'm Roger Stone.
00:59:51.320 This has been The Stone Zone.
00:59:53.600 God bless you and Godspeed.
00:59:56.240 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him.
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