The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.

00:00:09.560 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:13.920 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:19.520 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:25.160 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:30.560 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:35.900 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:43.300 You know, I don't know the answer to your question, Owen, but I do know this.

00:00:47.080 There's far more evidence to justify the impeachment of Joe Biden than ever existed to justify the two impeachments of Donald Trump.

00:00:56.440 Paul Sperry at the New York Post did a terrific piece about the millions of dollars that went to various Biden family members from Russia, from Ukraine, from Romania, from China, and elsewhere.

00:01:10.920 So, yes, I do think that the biggest problem is not the left-wing Democrats who want to make excuses and say none of this is real, or the laptop.

00:01:24.680 Dan Goldman's still saying the laptop was tampered with.

00:01:27.420 We know that's now.

00:01:28.380 Dan Goldman.

00:01:29.160 You know, perhaps Trump should have an African-American running mate. 0.92

00:01:33.260 Well, but the candidate on the ticket who's winning African-American votes is Donald Trump.

00:01:38.940 Others say, well, maybe you need a Hispanic on the ticket.

00:01:41.720 But the polling already shows you the candidate that is going to win you Hispanic votes is Donald Trump.

00:01:47.360 The one area we haven't moved is among women, which is why you might look at Tulsi Gabbard, as I said, or Elise Stefanik, who let's say she's proven that she's tough on nails, as nails, taking on a number of these corrupt judges in New York. 0.83

00:02:03.040 The living legend with a jacket that probably only one man in the history of American media could pull off, and that man is Roger Stone.

00:02:12.020 And he joins me.

00:02:13.100 Roger, before we get into some of the serious political discussions, you know, it's a bit of a moment here for us, isn't it?

00:02:21.380 It's a bit of a moment here for us, a show that we started in September of 2017, probably in its final run now.

00:02:28.860 You know, I contacted you the other night.

00:02:30.340 I said, I got to get you on one more time.

00:02:32.760 So just, you know, just reflect a little bit on our time together and the things we did on this show when we were co-hosting.

00:02:40.240 You know, you're absolutely right, Owen.

00:02:44.000 It's a bittersweet moment.

00:02:46.560 Some of the fondest memories in my life, the time that you and I co-hosted The War Room until somebody heisted our name.

00:02:55.520 I remember having some of the best barbecue brisket I've ever had in my life right there in the studio.

00:03:04.280 I remember being yelled at by leftists downtown.

00:03:07.680 That's when Alex Jones would call you at 11 o'clock and say, hey, what are you doing?

00:03:12.000 Let's go downtown and mix it up.

00:03:16.080 I have a lot of great memories, particularly about our accomplishments.

00:03:20.880 You and I broke the story of Fiona Hill.

00:03:24.000 Fiona Hill was the State Department bureaucrat who was a key player in putting together the frame job in the Ukrainian impeachment attempt on Donald Trump.

00:03:35.780 We broke that story on InfoWars.

00:03:38.460 So it is the uncertainty of the situation is really unsettling.

00:03:44.860 So it's I feel nostalgic to be back on the show.

00:03:48.200 But we don't know what's coming next.

00:03:51.620 InfoWars has always been the tip of the spear.

00:03:55.880 If you read my book, The Making of the President 2016, I make a very persuasive case that the endorsement of Donald Trump by Alex Jones and reporting on his campaign by InfoWars was a very key factor in his nomination, his improbable nomination in 2016.

00:04:16.280 So we've achieved history here as well.

00:04:19.740 Well, and I think that's one of the main reasons why InfoWars is being punished.

00:04:25.760 You know, the American people aren't supposed to be deciding who becomes president.

00:04:29.720 That's supposed to be the deep state and all its control factors, one of which now being censorship on social media, which you were way ahead of the threat there.

00:04:39.600 But how much do you think the the shutdown of InfoWars has to do with with punishment for helping Trump get over the finish line in 2016?

00:04:48.080 This has nothing to do with money whatsoever.

00:04:52.180 Look, first, they went after General Flynn.

00:04:55.200 Then they went after Paul Manafort.

00:04:57.460 They went after me.

00:04:59.060 Then they went after Tucker Carlson.

00:05:00.840 Then they went after Alex Jones.

00:05:03.200 I remember the days when Alex Jones was first censored.

00:05:06.780 How many conservatives sat back and said and did nothing because, well, that's Alex Jones's problem.

00:05:12.660 That's not me.

00:05:13.520 And then, of course, it wasn't long before they themselves were fighting Internet censorship.

00:05:19.900 So I think it is about preparing the next election, going after the chief executive, the chief financial officer of the Epoch Times.

00:05:29.500 That's just coincidental.

00:05:30.540 Two of the most important alternative news outlets in the country that speak to the Trump base, particularly and to many of many hardworking Americans, InfoWars and the Epoch Times now under assault.

00:05:46.180 And as much as I admire Elon Musk, and I do, and as grateful as I am to be back on his platform, I do find weird anomalies, not only in my own numbers, but in the numbers and views of other conservatives.

00:06:01.500 So I have to wonder whether some of the old crew is still there, you know, playing games with us.

00:06:07.420 I honestly don't know.

00:06:08.720 Well, I'll tell you what, I'll follow up on that.

00:06:10.900 That's a good way to segue into the next segment because I do have the answer to that.

00:06:15.400 I don't know if it's the crew or just some of the algorithms and code that they left behind.

00:06:20.600 Roger Stone, my guest, don't go anywhere.

00:06:23.080 Roger Stone is my guest.

00:06:27.040 And this is, as he said, bittersweet, bittersweet.

00:06:29.840 Could be Roger's last time here on InfoWars.

00:06:33.300 And really, I mean, Roger and me, the original host of this show in September 2017.

00:06:40.960 So this is a bit of a historical moment, you might even say.

00:06:44.680 You might even say a bit of a historical moment, myself and Roger, together yet again on The War Room.

00:06:49.480 I want to pick it up where we left off in that short segment.

00:06:51.680 You're talking about the things that you're seeing on X as far as maybe some shadow banning or engagement stifling, let's say.

00:07:01.520 And I would say that you're 100% right.

00:07:03.720 And my understanding from my experience is that a lot of the code that was there to shadow ban people like yourself and conservatives, Trump supporters, I think it still remains in the system.

00:07:17.640 Because here's what I noticed.

00:07:19.280 And before I go on, you're using your original account.

00:07:22.180 They have stored your original account, right?

00:07:24.580 Correct.

00:07:25.060 Okay, so when they censored my original account at All I Do Is Owen back in 20-whatever-it-was years ago, and when Elon Musk bought it, I started a new account, Owen Troyer 1776.

00:07:39.440 Now, they have very similar amounts of followers, just shy of 200,000.

00:07:47.200 But if I put something up on the old account, it gets like a quarter of the engagement or less than on the new account.

00:07:54.880 So my understanding is that because I have a new account, it doesn't still have all that shadow banning code and whatever written into its existence, whereas the old account, it still does.

00:08:06.400 And that's why it doesn't have the reach.

00:08:07.900 So that's what I think is going on, Roger.

00:08:10.620 But what have you noticed?

00:08:12.600 Well, here's one thing that I noticed, Owen, and that is with the sentencing of Hunter Biden, many, many, many people have posted, well, Roger Stone and his wife evaded $2 million in taxes, and why wasn't he criminally prosecuted and so on?

00:08:26.940 Now, I posted a long explanation of why a federal judge said that the tax case of my wife and I was like apples and oranges when compared to what Hunter Biden did.

00:08:38.700 Hunter Biden failed to declare $10 million in income.

00:08:42.240 But the U.S. attorney let that charge lapse in terms of the statute of limitations, whereas I and my wife reported every penny of income, every accurate asset, although somewhat meager.

00:08:57.580 And in terms of evading taxes, I made eight years of monthly payments of about $19,000 a month.

00:09:03.840 That's not tax evasion.

00:09:05.220 That's paying down your tax debt.

00:09:06.940 So three-quarters of what I owe the IRS is interest and penalties, but, of course, those facts are never told unless you tell them yourself.

00:09:15.320 Anyway, the people accusing me of tax evasion are getting more traction than my response to the question.

00:09:21.860 Very strange.

00:09:23.240 Well, that's pretty typical, and I wonder, though, I wonder – I'm sure there's still some bugs that they have built into shadowbanning your account and limiting its engagement based off of what was going on before Elon Musk took over.

00:09:36.580 It's certainly not a perfect enterprise, but it is big.

00:09:39.940 And so maybe I get into this with you now.

00:09:42.160 You were way ahead of the curve in 2018 talking about Internet censorship.

00:09:48.100 You were on this show.

00:09:49.600 You were on other shows warning about how important this was going to be for election results.

00:09:54.400 And ultimately, of course, you were proven right, specifically in the 2020 presidential election, with the FBI censoring important information like the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:10:01.840 Where do you see that phenomenon right now with 145 days until the presidential election?

00:10:07.980 Other than X, where it will be more limited, why would they not do the exact same thing they did before?

00:10:15.260 I'm still banned for life on Facebook, even though there are many Roger Stoves on Facebook.

00:10:20.360 Folks, none of them are me.

00:10:21.800 Don't buy crypto from them.

00:10:23.680 Don't take job offers from them.

00:10:25.620 Don't even talk to them.

00:10:26.780 They're not me.

00:10:27.900 I'm still banned for life on Instagram.

00:10:30.680 I'm banned for life on TikTok.

00:10:31.920 Now, maybe I'm not the typical Trump supporter, but the government is back at it again.

00:10:37.960 They admit that.

00:10:39.280 I think you're going to have the same kind of stifling of free speech that we saw in the last elections.

00:10:44.660 Facebook, the principal sites, the big sites.

00:10:48.500 The only place I think we may break through, besides true social, of course, is to some degree Telegram and X, formerly known as Twitter.

00:10:59.580 All right, let's get into now Republican strategy, because if there is going to be this 2024 censorship, it's going to be over the Biden crime family.

00:11:13.340 I mean, that's too obvious.

00:11:14.880 That's going to be the big story.

00:11:16.880 But maybe before we kind of break into that, do you think the Republicans have any political strategy?

00:11:22.820 I mean, there's no reason to think that they do because they haven't had it in the past.

00:11:26.980 But when we look at what the House Oversight Committee has access to and what they're going to get more access to, when we look at the Judiciary Committee, I mean, they've got the Biden crime family caught red-handed.

00:11:39.380 The last numbers I saw, it was like 170 shell corporations that the Biden crime family was operating.

00:11:45.400 Not to mention all the bank accounts that they already have access to, more that they're getting access to, the funds going in and out through all these accounts, Joe Biden getting 10 percent of all these major transactions.

00:11:57.120 To me, that's what's going to be censored coming up.

00:11:59.680 But before we get into that, do you think there's a strategy on the Republican side to do an October surprise or to slowly leak this out over time to get more attention?

00:12:09.820 I mean, are they strategizing on this at all?

00:12:13.820 You know, I don't know the answer to your question, Owen, but I do know this.

00:12:17.580 There's far more evidence to justify the impeachment of Joe Biden than ever existed to justify the two impeachments of Donald Trump.

00:12:26.900 Paul Sperry at the New York Post did a terrific piece about the millions of dollars that went to various Biden family members from Russia, from Ukraine, from Romania, from China, and elsewhere.

00:12:42.380 So, yes, I do think that the biggest problem is not the left-wing Democrats who want to make excuses and say none of this is real.

00:12:54.000 Dan Goldman is still saying the laptop was tampered with.

00:12:57.880 We know that's known.

00:12:58.860 Dan Goldman.

00:12:59.940 Sorry.

00:13:01.360 Not true.

00:13:03.200 But the real problem is the gutless, feckless, weak-kneed, lily-livered, jelly-spined establishment Republicans who I don't think have the courage or the appetite for the removal of Joe Biden

00:13:21.720 when he's clearly violated his oath of office and it appears to me like he's engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:13:29.340 The problem is you can't get a Republican majority for that.

00:13:32.800 The work of the Oversight Committee has actually been extraordinary, particularly Congressman Jason Smith and his efforts have been particularly extraordinary.

00:13:41.160 These are not rumors.

00:13:42.160 These are not conjecture.

00:13:44.880 We've seen the receipts.

00:13:46.820 So you're right.

00:13:48.480 We have an incredibly corrupt first family.

00:13:53.340 And Hunter Biden being prosecuted for a gun crime is like prosecuting the guy for double parking who was driving the getaway car while you let the people who robbed the bank get away.

00:14:07.660 I mean, why is he not being charged like Paul Manafort was, I think, unjustly, for lobbying for these foreign countries without filing?

00:14:17.600 He received millions of dollars for them.

00:14:19.660 He was affecting U.S. policy for them. 0.57

00:14:22.120 Money laundering, influence peddling, child sex trafficking.

00:14:29.160 If you look at the incredible work done by the Marco Polo USA organization and if you look at the actual laptop contents, it's shocking, to say the least. 0.57

00:14:41.200 Yeah, I mean, the images and the contents of the Hunter Biden laptop, it's truly so sordid and disgusting.

00:14:50.640 I don't even want to mention it, folks.

00:14:52.960 I mean, if you haven't seen it, we're talking about Hunter Biden engaging in lewd and crude and potentially penetrating sex acts with individuals that, let's just say, look like they don't belong there or maybe people that he might even be related to. 0.55

00:15:09.520 And so, again, I mean, this stuff is so disgusting, I really don't even want to talk about it. 0.57

00:15:14.440 But do you think this is part of the strategy?

00:15:17.320 I mean, do you even – if you're the Republicans, do you even want to take Joe Biden out at this point? 0.98

00:15:21.620 Do you want Joe Biden running because he's such a pathetic candidate? 0.97

00:15:25.740 That's a very legitimate question. 0.98

00:15:28.040 If that's the case, though, then we need to make public as much of their corruption as we can.

00:15:34.420 Look, we have this news cabal strategy of deflection.

00:15:44.900 So Trump's being convicted in a cold, drafty Manhattan courtroom makes the fact that we just agreed to use American missiles to hit targets inside Russia.

00:15:59.300 That was a page two story, if it got covered at all, just to give you an example.

00:16:05.660 Or any of this, the whole media frenzy of, oh, Trump is going to seek revenge.

00:16:12.780 Chris Matthews says he's going to put people like me in front of a firing squad.

00:16:17.260 No one ever said that.

00:16:18.700 AOC says she's going to be thrown in jail only if she's charged and convicted of a legitimate crime.

00:16:24.500 This is to draw your attention away from the fact that the Russians just moved nuclear submarines into the Gulf of Mexico, and they're headed to Cuba, and they're armed with missiles.

00:16:36.080 So all of those stories get relegated to the back pages if they get covered at all because of the political witch hunts and the attacks on Donald Trump.

00:16:47.180 All right, let's talk about strategy here with Trump when it comes to the VP, and I'll just kind of give you my short analysis here and get your response.

00:16:56.660 I feel like it really all depends on what Trump's strategy with the VP pick is.

00:17:03.140 If he wants to try to cozy up to the Republican establishment, you're thinking a Tim Scott, maybe a Marco Rubio, kind of like he did with Mike Pence.

00:17:13.120 I don't suspect that will be the case, but if that's his strategy, I think that that's probably who he goes with.

00:17:17.920 If he's looking to garner the most votes with his VP pick, I think he looks at Tulsi Gabbard, potentially an RFK Jr.

00:17:26.180 I don't know if he would drop out for that role, but that would certainly garner a lot of votes, specifically from the Democrats.

00:17:31.060 I think if he's looking strategically to kind of build the future of the Republican Party and kind of pass the torch and maybe keep more momentum going behind the black vote that's switching over to Donald Trump, I think Byron Donalds is a really good candidate, maybe Ben Carson.

00:17:48.460 To me, though, I think Byron Donalds is the best pick, and there's a debate about whether or not you can have two candidates from Florida.

00:17:56.800 I think it's been debated.

00:17:57.660 I think that you can, and there's probably a strategy around that, even if you can't.

00:18:01.700 But where do you see the leader in the clubhouse?

00:18:03.420 What do you think Trump's strategy is right now?

00:18:06.160 First of all, let me address that question.

00:18:07.980 The 12th Amendment of the Constitution, Section 2, doesn't prohibit two individuals who are legal residents of the same state from running for president and vice president.

00:18:19.580 But if they carry that state and they went to the Electoral College, in this case Florida, let's say, with a Trump Donalds ticket or a Trump Rubio ticket, then you would forfeit the votes of the Electoral College.

00:18:33.700 However, if between the election and the Electoral College meeting, any of the two people on the ticket change their legal residence to another state, then you may have resolved that issue.

00:18:47.200 Now, I'm not an attorney.

00:18:48.820 I'm told there's an opinion that's written somewhere that says that, but that's how that would be addressed.

00:18:54.420 I'm a big fan of Byron Donalds myself.

00:18:57.100 I think he would be terrific.

00:18:58.480 But I'm also a giant fan of Tulsi Gabbard.

00:19:01.440 I've taken a lot of gas for it online.

00:19:04.220 But on the big issues of war, the border, abortion, guns, she's solid.

00:19:10.680 People say, oh, yeah, but she was a Democrat. 1.00

00:19:12.680 Ronald Reagan was a Democrat.

00:19:14.480 By the way, we need a few Democrat votes to win this election.

00:19:18.500 She's dynamic.

00:19:19.880 She's, as you know, a combat veteran in both Iraq and Kuwait.

00:19:25.980 She's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve.

00:19:31.340 And we've already seen her take Kamala Harris to the cleaners in a debate. 1.00

00:19:35.660 So I've said from the beginning I thought it was an intriguing choice.

00:19:39.840 But there's two schools of thought here, Owen, two very separate schools of thought.

00:19:43.960 First of all, whoever you pick has to have the gravitas, the experience, the judgment, the temperament.

00:19:53.080 For people to look at that person and say, yeah, that person could be vice president.

00:19:57.720 And they could, God forbid, be president if that should become necessary.

00:20:01.860 I think that's the first criteria.

00:20:03.640 You have to find somebody who meets those conditions.

00:20:05.840 Then secondarily, I think you want somebody who shares the America first agenda, who is a MAGA Republican.

00:20:14.260 At least I believe you need that because you have to energize your base.

00:20:19.060 And then lastly, you look at the political considerations.

00:20:22.680 Well, you could say, you know, perhaps Trump should have an African-American running mate.

00:20:27.160 Well, but the candidate on the ticket who's winning African-American votes is Donald Trump.

00:20:32.840 Others say, well, maybe you need a Hispanic on the ticket.

00:20:35.300 But the polling already shows you the candidate that is going to win you Hispanic votes is Donald Trump.

00:20:41.740 The one area we haven't moved is among women, which is why you might look at Tulsi Gabbard, as I said, 1.00

00:20:48.100 or Elise Stefanik, who let's say she's proven that she's tough on nails, 0.90

00:20:52.940 as nails taking on a number of these corrupt judges in New York who are trying to weaponize that criminal justice system. 0.93

00:21:00.420 So you want somebody who's surefooted, someone who understands this is a supporting role that wouldn't upstage Trump, wouldn't contradict him.

00:21:10.520 Look, Mike Pence, because he reassured evangelicals and conservatives, because in 2016, there were still some who didn't realize how conservative Trump really is.

00:21:20.660 He was he was perfect right up until the moment he wasn't perfect.

00:21:25.440 So I'm not sure the ideal running mate exists.

00:21:28.320 But there is a do no harm theory.

00:21:32.760 Also, that's kind of what Nixon told me when looking for running mate.

00:21:37.060 Try to find don't look for someone who will help you try to find someone who doesn't hurt you.

00:21:42.060 That would be a Ben Carson or maybe even a Doug Burgum, the former governor of North Dakota.

00:21:49.720 So I have no inside information here.

00:21:52.980 I've seen the list of names.

00:21:55.260 I think there are a few decoys on there.

00:21:57.620 But I don't expect the president to make this decision tomorrow.

00:22:01.520 He hasn't until July, has right up until the convention.

00:22:04.780 It's a big, big story.

00:22:06.300 I'm not sure why he would put it out there now, even if he does know.

00:22:10.200 But if he's made a decision, he hasn't told any of his friends.

00:22:14.100 Yeah, about six weeks to the convention.

00:22:16.140 But before that is the presidential debates.

00:22:18.300 And so this gets us to the other side of the ticket.

00:22:21.180 Joe Biden.

00:22:21.880 I mean, everybody is asking themselves that's paying attention here.

00:22:25.860 How can the Democrats run with Joe Biden?

00:22:28.120 Now, you've been you've been predicting for years, really.

00:22:31.440 The first that I could have known to to predict that Joe Biden would not be the candidate.

00:22:36.460 Roger, we're two weeks from the first presidential debate.

00:22:39.340 They're going to have to swear him in digitally because of a logistical screw up that they made to get on the Ohio ballot.

00:22:49.120 I mean, where do you see this right now?

00:22:50.960 I mean, because how can they go with Joe Biden?

00:22:53.360 The guy literally can't walk.

00:22:54.620 He can't talk. 0.91

00:22:55.460 He's an embarrassment every time he's in public.

00:22:57.260 But it's I mean, they don't have much time left.

00:23:01.180 I think that since they are not anxious to debate, to have Joe Biden debate Donald Trump, I think Biden issued this challenge confident that Trump would turn it down because it's CNN.

00:23:13.240 And with Dana Bash and Jake Tapper, that's three on one in the debate.

00:23:18.860 And I think they were going to say, well, you see, I offered a debate.

00:23:22.020 He refused.

00:23:22.840 So there'll be no debates.

00:23:23.800 That didn't work when Donald Trump jumped on the chance to debate Joe Biden, despite the fact that a number of the ground rules of the debate seemed to me to be disadvantageous to him.

00:23:35.720 So, for example, the fact that that Trump's microphone will be turned off while Biden is speaking and vice versa, I think that disrupts Trump's debate style.

00:23:47.220 People want to see a lively give and take.

00:23:49.980 They don't want to see canned statement after canned statement.

00:23:53.400 So maybe, just maybe, since this debate is the first one in history in which the presumptive nominees of both parties are going to debate before they're even legally the nominees, perhaps the goal of this debate is to have Joe Biden do a big old belly flop so that it speeds up the movement within their party to find another nominee.

00:24:15.600 Joe Biden is a huge risk if this debate goes forward.

00:24:19.320 But then again, so does Donald Trump.

00:24:21.520 The expectation for Trump is very high.

00:24:23.760 He is a champion debater.

00:24:25.380 The expectation for Joe is very low. 0.71

00:24:28.220 He could crap his pants.

00:24:29.960 So, Roger, I was just sitting here thinking, like, can you imagine Biden's on the stage, has one of those awkward moments, and Trump's mic goes hot and he goes, 0.98

00:24:41.440 Excuse me, excuse me, but does anybody smell this?

00:24:44.600 Do you smell something?

00:24:46.520 There's a foul odor coming from over there on the stage.

00:24:50.260 We may need to take a break here.

00:24:52.280 Okay.

00:24:52.560 Can we take a break?

00:24:53.260 There's a foul scent coming from the Biden area over there.

00:24:57.180 That's very good.

00:24:58.300 I like that.

00:24:59.740 It could happen.

00:25:00.760 I mean, that might.

00:25:01.260 Forcing him to stay up on that stage for, I think they said it was going to be two hours.

00:25:08.620 That's a big risk.

00:25:09.520 Well, as you know, the Biden people wanted to have the two candidates be seated, which I thought was a terrible idea, which Trump has.

00:25:17.780 Well, maybe they put a toilet under Joe and they'll hide it.

00:25:20.160 Well, then we sort of, I sort of, I've got to go do some research on this.

00:25:25.140 RFK says that the debate violates federal election law because he's, that he's qualified to be there based on some, the criteria of having demonstrated that he can get on the ballot or is on the ballot.

00:25:40.600 In states that constitute theoretically 270 electoral votes.

00:25:46.360 I haven't examined his claim.

00:25:48.460 He did, for example, make a deal with the Reform Party in Connecticut to use their ballot access and so on.

00:25:54.800 So I'm not sure how the federal election law governs who and how the debates take place.

00:26:02.580 Other than they say there may be a requirement that is connected to receiving your federal funding post-convention.

00:26:08.380 But they've changed the law.

00:26:09.900 I've got something I have to examine.

00:26:11.560 I haven't had a chance to do it.

00:26:13.140 Well, the Federal Debate Commission, or I don't even know if it's federal, but the Debate Commission is basically the tyrants that run this deal. 0.94

00:26:19.360 They're the ones that are going to try to help, you know, basically send Trump into the debate, like, you know, stabbing the gladiator three times before he goes into the arena.

00:26:28.460 Well, look, the Presidential Commission on Debates is not appointed by the president.

00:26:33.400 It's not a commission.

00:26:34.720 And it's most certainly not about debate.

00:26:36.560 The co-chairs are the chairs of the Republican and Democratic Party.

00:26:40.380 I've always believed that if the Libertarian Party gets on the ballot in enough states to constitute 270 electoral votes theoretically, then their candidates should be in the debates.

00:26:50.680 And it's also true of the Green Party.

00:26:53.060 That's democracy that they like to talk so much about.

00:26:55.840 So that would be the only fair way to do it.

00:26:58.360 But to set these criteria of saying, oh, well, you have to have 15 percent of the vote in three consecutive polls, but they have to be polls that we approve on.

00:27:07.240 Oh, you got that?

00:27:08.340 All right, we'll have a quick meeting.

00:27:09.520 We'll change the threshold to 20.

00:27:11.740 They did that to Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.

00:27:14.540 Right.

00:27:14.840 That was in 2012, I guess it was.

00:27:19.500 Yeah.

00:27:19.640 So they'll just change the rules.

00:27:21.440 But I mean, I think it's pretty clear because people wonder who RFK would hurt the most.

00:27:26.380 I think it's obviously Democrats.

00:27:28.000 I don't really think that's up for debate.

00:27:29.740 I think that it's the Democrats that are scared of RFK.

00:27:32.340 I don't agree with that analysis.

00:27:35.300 I think you can't make a blanket statement.

00:27:37.700 You have to look at it on a state-by-state basis.

00:27:39.920 The polling shows different things.

00:27:42.280 For anybody, I think a vote for RFK is a vote for Biden, in all honesty, at least in the key states.

00:27:50.180 It remains to be seen.

00:27:51.220 But look, RFK basically centers his campaign around the health freedom issues, the war in Ukraine, things in which he appeals to someone who might otherwise be thinking of voting for Trump.

00:28:06.660 He doesn't talk about his position on abortion, abortion on demand.

00:28:11.040 He doesn't talk about his position on climate change, where he's a true radical, wants to jail people who don't agree with him on that.

00:28:19.640 He doesn't talk about his support for reparations, says that there is no military threat posed by the communist Chinese. 0.73

00:28:29.260 I don't agree with that either.

00:28:30.640 So I agree with him on a few issues, but I think it remains to be seen.

00:28:35.200 I still fear that a vote for RFK in the end may be a vote for Biden.

00:28:40.160 He can't win.

00:28:41.440 That I'm pretty certain.

00:28:43.340 I also think it's unlikely that he carry a state.

00:28:45.560 So some say, well, maybe his goal is to have nobody get to 270 votes, in which case the election will be thrown into the U.S.

00:28:54.980 All right, we're up against the break, Roger.

00:28:56.480 Hold that thought, and we'll be right back.

00:28:59.680 You know, I don't like to disagree with wiser men.

00:29:05.420 And Roger Stone is certainly a wiser man than I when it comes to politics.

00:29:08.700 I do have to say, though, I think RFK hurts Biden more.

00:29:13.480 I think Trump's support is staunch and Biden's is weak.

00:29:16.960 And leftists might go to the polls and vote for RFK just because they can't stand Joe Biden.

00:29:22.320 But, you know, I don't like to make bets that I can't win.

00:29:25.160 And Roger is one of the only guys ever to get me over on a bet for a nice big T-bone steak.

00:29:30.080 So I don't know.

00:29:30.980 I kind of I got to give Roger his props on that.

00:29:33.920 But but picking back up where we were leaving off there with the situation, a crazy situation, all kinds of crazy situations could develop in the next 145 days till the election.

00:29:44.140 But the crazy situation, somebody doesn't get to the threshold of electoral college votes.

00:29:50.340 What happens then, Roger?

00:29:52.340 What happened then is the contest goes to the U.S. House of Representatives.

00:29:57.100 But each state has one vote.

00:29:59.300 So if a majority of members of Congress from a given state were Republicans, they would caucus and their vote would go to the Republican nominee, presumably.

00:30:09.700 But that can only happen if if some third or minor party candidate carried a state and denied either Biden or Trump from victory in that state.

00:30:22.420 I don't see that as being terribly likely.

00:30:25.720 You know, Owen, one of the worst things about the possibility that InfoWars will be no more is the fact that I'll never be able to collect on that 2018 election bet from which you owe me a giant.

00:30:38.060 I can't believe I can't believe this absolute slander.

00:30:42.340 We had a giant T-bone steak together.

00:30:44.440 And the fact that you don't remember that breaks my heart, Roger.

00:30:48.480 It was a meaningful.

00:30:49.400 It was a very meaningful dinner to me and my bank account.

00:30:51.880 It was a hot dog you tried to give me and kept calling me.

00:30:56.840 I mean, come on.

00:30:58.160 I'm teasing you.

00:30:59.880 Oh, it's not very often people get one on me and vote and a bet.

00:31:04.140 Roger got me.

00:31:06.560 The other great thing we've done right here.

00:31:08.920 Just think of the way we have improved Harrison Smith's neckwear.

00:31:13.860 I mean, it's like day and night.

00:31:15.920 Look at his neckwear when I was there and look at his neckwear today.

00:31:19.380 I saw him the other morning.

00:31:21.100 The guy was styling.

00:31:22.440 He was absolutely styling.

00:31:24.340 Well, you certainly are a fashion icon and a fashion influence, if you will.

00:31:30.740 I went sans tie today at the risk that I might get a tongue lashing from you.

00:31:36.020 But I kind of ran out of time before the show to put the tie on.

00:31:42.160 But, you know, I make a bid every year to get Roger Stone's best dressed list.

00:31:46.300 I think I'm a three-time recipient of that.

00:31:50.320 You are indeed.

00:31:51.980 And, of course, now you have an amazing Panama hat.

00:31:55.440 So, you know, you can't go wrong, really.

00:31:58.800 I don't know what's going to happen here.

00:32:01.480 I'm not an expert on bankruptcy law.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, I have been approached by a number of people who have far, far more money than I do who say,

00:32:09.220 Well, perhaps if it goes to Chapter 7, InfoWars could be bought out of bankruptcy.

00:32:15.640 I'm not an expert on those issues.

00:32:18.260 I do look pretty darn good behind the desk, though, I must admit.

00:32:21.180 Well, you put this – guys, let's put this on the screen.

00:32:23.880 You put this image up.

00:32:24.920 This was probably from 2016, I'm guessing.

00:32:27.300 And you do look fantastic.

00:32:29.000 I've got to say, quite a striking image there.

00:32:32.560 And, of course, you put the statement out.

00:32:34.300 Now, maybe I should put together an investor group to buy InfoWars in a bankruptcy sale.

00:32:39.460 And there's you looking great back just some short years ago.

00:32:44.140 Man, it's amazing how far we've come since then and everything that we've gone through and dealt with to still be on air today.

00:32:53.100 Yeah, I don't want to get into the bankruptcy stuff.

00:32:55.580 I'm already – you know, I think we're in our final days here, maybe even single digits left as far as how many broadcasts we have left.

00:33:02.260 But getting back to the point at hand and all the craziness we're about to experience, I don't know the date that they're supposed to digitally ceremoniously swear in Joe Biden

00:33:15.100 because they made the clerical error of not giving themselves enough days before the Ohio rules to get him on the ballot there.

00:33:22.100 But that's apparently what they're going to do is do this kind of digital swearing in before the real event in August.

00:33:28.260 But how do you see it going then?

00:33:32.360 Because you were thinking maybe it's at the convention in August when they try to give Joe Biden the hook.

00:33:39.040 What do you see happening if they try to pull a fast one and do this digital swearing in?

00:33:44.540 Well, it would depend on the date of the digital swearing in.

00:33:47.440 Is it scheduled to be before the CNN debate at the end of the month or is it scheduled to be after?

00:33:55.220 Look, I think until Joe Biden actually accepts – formally accepts the nomination of the Democratic Party,

00:34:02.160 there's always, I think, going to be some possibility that he – either it's because the poll numbers look so bad,

00:34:11.000 the outlook for victory looks so bad, the stench of the corruption of his family looks so bad,

00:34:17.100 and his health, which is clearly not good.

00:34:19.700 He could at any time release his delegates, and they could digitally swear in another candidate,

00:34:28.080 or I should say digitally have another candidate accept the nomination.

00:34:32.440 I've thought that professional Democrats have been deeply concerned that Biden could take the whole ticket down with him.

00:34:38.880 And things like his performance in France do not help, to say the least.

00:34:45.760 These – you know, you can see the other night Sean Hannity ran a long string of gaffes,

00:34:53.160 and just – the guy seems to be in outer space.

00:34:55.760 He doesn't –

00:34:55.940 It's every day now.

00:34:56.960 I mean, it's every day he makes a public appearance.

00:34:58.920 Now he's heading to Italy for the G7?

00:35:01.180 I mean, what's he going to do there?

00:35:03.940 God knows.

00:35:04.780 Look, we know that he's very uneven.

00:35:10.540 So sometimes he seems very amped up, very, very amped up, like he was at his little gun presentation,

00:35:18.380 his gun control presentation.

00:35:20.460 Other times, like during the Juneteenth celebration, he seemed comatose to me.

00:35:25.920 I don't think the guy moved an inch.

00:35:28.300 Everybody's kind of hopping along with him.

00:35:30.340 I've seen trees.

00:35:31.120 I've seen trees move more in a breeze.

00:35:32.660 Yeah, it was really very odd, to say the least.

00:35:38.120 You know, and where – I mean, I guess there's not much you can do.

00:35:41.100 He's the president of the United States, but it's like where is the strategy to try to hide this guy

00:35:46.180 from having these blunders every time he's in public?

00:35:49.940 Because it is every time.

00:35:51.420 It is every time he's in public now.

00:35:53.440 There's some sort of strangeness, some sort of either a mental gaffe, a verbal gaffe, whatever it is,

00:36:00.280 standing there stiff as a board while everyone else is dancing around you.

00:36:03.600 I mean, it's just – it's so bad with this guy.

00:36:05.920 And I do think – look, people can question the results of the elections all they want.

00:36:11.280 The Democrats will try to make it a crime.

00:36:12.700 But I do think if we have a legitimate election here, Joe Biden does destroy the Democrat ticket.

00:36:18.120 There's no energy behind Joe Biden's candidacy.

00:36:21.700 There's just not.

00:36:22.660 He can't have rallies.

00:36:24.060 Even the far left is rejecting him now because of the foreign policy issues.

00:36:28.020 So I just don't see – I just don't see how he doesn't destroy the Democrat ticket

00:36:32.480 and how they don't have that realization by now.

00:36:34.620 Look, it was easier to hide him in the 2020 election because you could use COVID-19 as an excuse.

00:36:44.320 Very tough to hide as an incumbent in a presidential race.

00:36:48.140 So they have no choice.

00:36:49.540 By the way, he also – he's a very stubborn guy.

00:36:52.140 He wants to get out there and campaign.

00:36:54.760 I think they have a very tough time getting him through an entire election,

00:36:59.600 which is why I still remain confident that they may, at the end here, come along and replace him with, you know who, Michelle Obama,

00:37:09.060 who clearly, if you just threw it open to the convention and let them draft the most popular Democrat in the country who's eligible, that would be her. 1.00

00:37:18.320 Her husband's probably the other most popular Democrat in the country, but he served two terms and can't be nominated again.

00:37:24.780 He actually served four terms – three terms if you count the one going on now where he's clearly the single most influential person in this administration.

00:37:35.640 Yeah, and of course, whoever it is running things, it's not Joe Biden.

00:37:40.000 That's so obvious that Joe Biden doesn't run anything.

00:37:42.560 He gets coached around the White House grounds by Easter Bunny mascots.

00:37:47.260 I mean I don't know if it gets much more embarrassing than that, but that's what we have going on here, 145 days until the election.

00:37:53.620 All right, Roger Stone is my guest.

00:37:55.180 We've got one more segment coming up with him.

00:37:56.680 I want to talk about just some general political phenomenons happening with his expertise and experience dealing with politics in D.C. and out.

00:38:05.340 But specifically this phenomenon that I think a lot of people are witnessing now – I know I'm witnessing it –

00:38:10.860 where anything to the right of just far-left extremism, radical liberal progressivism is now considered right-wing.

00:38:21.980 And there's no doubt this is pushing a lot of maybe kind of centrist liberals to the right.

00:38:28.340 So I want to get Roger's take on that and more.

00:38:29.940 Final segment with Roger when we come back.

00:38:31.340 Well, this is pretty epic.

00:38:33.840 This could be the last segment of Roger Stone and myself on the InfoWars War Room.

00:38:43.260 Epic stuff.

00:38:44.840 Now, Roger has been a political mastermind expert for a long time.

00:38:51.400 And so whenever there's some political phenomenons happening, I like to ask Roger if he's ever seen anything like this before.

00:39:00.240 And one that I notice here – and guys, put this little graph up or you can dot-cam it –

00:39:06.920 is this phenomenon that is now anything that is right of the far-left radical extremist progressive is now considered right-wing.

00:39:17.360 Even just being centrist is considered far-right.

00:39:20.620 I mean, they say if you like to drink milk or go work out, they say you're a far-right extremist.

00:39:26.140 Do you think that this is an accurate representation of where American politics are at today?

00:39:33.200 Do you think it will have a result at the ballot box?

00:39:37.180 Have you ever seen a phenomenon like this before?

00:39:40.540 Well, first of all, my friend Sean Hannity is right when he says journalism is dead.

00:39:45.200 So what that is is name-calling because those in the fake news media, the distortionists, the propagandists,

00:39:54.120 those posing as journalists understand that labeling and pushing that narrative is powerful. 0.91

00:40:01.860 Trump's a convicted felon.

00:40:03.360 You can hear that again and again and again, for example. 0.98

00:40:07.460 So anybody that they deem not aligned with their globalist thinking is an extremist, is a racist, is a far-right.

00:40:19.060 It's just basic name-calling.

00:40:22.220 It would be a mistake for us to assume that the mainstream media has no influence.

00:40:29.280 They've lost influence.

00:40:30.560 They don't have the monopoly they once had, but they're still very influential.

00:40:34.000 And then you still have, as we mentioned, the ongoing censorship and manipulation of information, particularly by Google.

00:40:41.400 You look into any of the reports by Dr. Robert Epstein, who's appeared here on InfoWars, their manipulation of data.

00:40:51.480 There are a lot of institutional barriers to Trump winning this election.

00:40:57.500 All of these things came into play in 2020.

00:41:00.980 I expect they will come into play again.

00:41:03.800 The question is whether we can generate more voters and achieve a high enough level of election integrity in key states to win this election.

00:41:15.500 You know, you're definitely right with the mainstream cable news networks kind of slowly but surely being replaced, I would say, by Internet or social media patterns.

00:41:27.220 I don't think it's made the full switch yet.

00:41:29.880 I would say that, you know, some people might still think that, oh, no, social media has a bigger impact.

00:41:34.840 I think it's probably still cable news.

00:41:36.980 Maybe it's going to shift in the next four years, maybe 10 years.

00:41:41.840 It's eventually going to happen.

00:41:42.940 I think the one big difference is it's not really the front page of the paper.

00:41:49.760 You know, the front page of the paper, the press, used to have a lot more impact on the elections.

00:41:54.740 That's almost been completely nullified.

00:41:57.020 I think the big impact, I think where that's been replaced is the push notifications on your phone.

00:42:02.960 This is where they really hammer out the propaganda.

00:42:05.640 Like when you talk about indicted or, you know, felon, convicted criminal Donald Trump, that's where they really push this propaganda.

00:42:13.780 They force it into your stream of consciousness via the push notifications.

00:42:17.620 So, you know, maybe half the American public that's not really politically interested or informed, they're going to see that.

00:42:23.660 They're going to get that.

00:42:24.340 That's going to be their ultimate impression is that push notification propaganda that gets to their to their screen, to their eyes.

00:42:30.460 You're absolutely right about that.

00:42:34.340 I subscribe.

00:42:35.620 I was looking forward to a news service thing called News Break.

00:42:39.460 It's a constant flow of left wing propaganda headlights that they're hitting me with their push notifications.

00:42:46.400 I don't see any balanced content there at all.

00:42:51.360 The other important thing is that as people have unplugged from the from cable and they have and as broadcast television loses its reach and its power, there's a great rise in people who are watching average advertising on their phone.

00:43:08.740 You know, CTV and OTT, the going directly to the devices.

00:43:13.560 Almost a third of voters, Republican primary voters now say they're getting their news there, not on their computer, but or on their handheld phone, but not on a TV set and not on cable.

00:43:28.240 So I think cable will ultimately go the way of the broadcast television and the Internet is here to stay.

00:43:35.100 The question is, can we get a level playing field on the Internet?

00:43:39.320 And that's a substantial question.

00:43:41.000 We could do an entire show on that, as you know.

00:43:43.800 So there's a lot of endorsements coming for Donald Trump that you haven't really seen before.

00:43:49.900 Let's say maybe in the kind of Hollywood celebrity entertainment realm.

00:43:53.860 I think I suspect Joe Rogan will eventually endorse Trump, maybe even Elon Musk.

00:43:59.320 You just had really popular social media.

00:44:03.580 I think he does WWE now to Logan Paul just endorsed Donald Trump.

00:44:08.360 I'm sure you saw that.

00:44:09.100 They just cut a little funny video where they're squaring off.

00:44:12.660 What kind of influence or impact do you think that star power will have?

00:44:17.020 Because I suspect a lot more people are going to be willing to endorse Trump this go around than the previous two.

00:44:23.200 Look, those people have reach.

00:44:25.100 So their message has reached millions and millions of their fans.

00:44:28.880 So you can't say whether it is it doesn't matter whether it's Taylor Swift who will have an influence on an entirely different set of people or whether it's fans of some of the people you just mentioned.

00:44:44.820 You definitely there are influences out there outside of politics influence in the pop culture.

00:44:51.440 And they do have enormous followings and they're rarely censored.

00:44:55.820 So I do think that can have some impact.

00:44:59.540 I think it's going to be I don't know if it's going to be a massive wave, but I do expect some big names to endorse Trump that maybe we don't expect because it's just so obvious at this point.

00:45:09.680 I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, most people like money.

00:45:13.660 They like making money.

00:45:15.120 They don't like the government taking their money.

00:45:17.080 They don't like their high energy bills.

00:45:18.500 I mean, this is always really the number one issue, wouldn't you say, Roger?

00:45:21.700 I mean, obviously, the illegal alien issue is big.

00:45:25.180 But at the end of the day, most people are thinking with their wallets.

00:45:27.820 They're thinking with gas prices, energy prices, grocery bill prices.

00:45:32.720 Cost of living, the cost of a gallon of gasoline, the cost of groceries, the fact that your dollar just buys so much less because of the epic inflation, the so-called pocketbook issues.

00:45:47.600 The lack of affordable housing, huge issue, really an understated issue, a lack of opportunities for the middle class.

00:45:56.020 Yes, those economic issues, I think, are the most important.

00:45:59.520 On the other hand, the world is teetering on the edge of World War III.

00:46:03.440 We're using American missiles to strike targets inside Russia.

00:46:09.060 We have Russian nuclear submarines with missiles right off of our coast.

00:46:15.240 These are very scary things.

00:46:18.660 The Democrats have no record to run on.

00:46:21.120 They have to run on Trump's a convicted felon, January 6th recycled.

00:46:26.780 The Republicans want to outlaw all abortions, and then their all-time favorite, the Republicans will cut your Social Security benefits, which Trump is adamantly opposed to.

00:46:38.520 But that's their campaign.

00:46:39.840 It's all 100% negative.

00:46:41.860 They can point to these employment figures, but I just saw an excellent analysis by Barry Habib, one of the leading housing and mortgage experts in the country.

00:46:54.000 And he decimated the way they manipulated all these numbers.

00:46:59.000 All right.

00:46:59.560 I hate to put you on the spot, but the final 90 seconds here.

00:47:02.940 How does Roger Stone feel about America today and the future of our beloved country?

00:47:09.680 Well, I'd feel a heck of a lot better if InfoWars could survive.

00:47:12.820 I'd like to see that because we've been the tip of the spear, and I'm proud of my work there.

00:47:19.320 And InfoWars is a beacon for many, many, many people.

00:47:24.080 When I go out and do public events, the people who've said to me, oh, I've seen you on with Alex, or I've seen you on with Owen, you have no idea.

00:47:31.440 It's very encouraging.

00:47:34.140 So I'm an optimist, but that's because I'm a Christian, and I believe Jesus Christ can do anything, and I think he can save this nation, which is why I pray every night for the health and safety of Donald Trump and for a free, fair, honest, transparent election, because if we could have such an election, I honestly believe that Donald Trump will win.

00:47:56.020 All right, Roger Stone, from your words to God's ears, let's hope it's true.

00:48:03.920 And, you know, in a way, in a way, when they strike down InfoWars, it'll be more powerful than ever.

00:48:10.200 And so maybe that's just the next chapter here.

00:48:12.760 Maybe that's just the next chapter in American history, American lore, and the great crew here, the great guests here, the great hosts here, and, of course, Alex Jones himself.

00:48:21.180 Maybe that's just the next part of the story.

00:48:25.780 There could be a major plot twist, but that's where we're headed.

00:48:28.900 Roger, God bless, man.

00:48:32.500 Could be the next chapter, maybe chapter seven.

00:48:34.640 We shall see.

00:48:35.940 Always a pleasure.

00:48:37.580 A legend, Roger Stone, perhaps the last time on InfoWars, on the InfoWars War Room, the show that he helped launch with myself in 2017.

00:48:45.840 God bless and Godspeed, Roger.

00:48:47.940 Thank you.

00:48:48.520 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people love him.

00:48:57.880 Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.

00:49:00.340 Roger Stone.

00:49:01.400 Where's Roger Stone?

00:49:02.520 Thank you.

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