In this episode of The Stone Zone, host Roger Stone sits down with China expert Gordon Chang to discuss the current state of relations between China and the United States, and what it means for the future of the Chinese Communist Party and the country's relations with the rest of the world. Stone and his co-hosts, Troy Smith and Slingshot News Editor-in-Chief, also join the conversation to discuss what they think about China and its relationship with the U.S., and what they believe about the current leadership structure in China. They also discuss the recent interview with Gordon Chang that Stone did on his radio show last Sunday, and the implications for China's future in the post-Xi Jinping era. And they discuss the possibility of a Chinese military coup in the event of Xi s death, and how this could impact China s relations with other countries, including Russia, Japan, and other Asian countries. This is a must-listen episode for anyone with an interest in China, and especially for those who are curious about China's relationship with other nations and their relations with China. The Stonezone is a podcast hosted by Roger Stone, and produced by Roger and Troy Smith, who is a friend of the president and a long-time supporter of President Donald Trump. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, and is a New York Times bestselling author, bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society Society, and has appeared before the Oxford Union Society, Oxford University, and Harvard Law School, among other prestigious organizations. and the American Conservative and has been a regular contributor to Newsweek, The Weekly Standard, The Hill, and The National Review and The New York Review of American Conservative, among many other publications, and many other media outlets, including the New York Magazine, and much more, Roger Stone is an outspoken liberty-oriented media outlets. He is a pop culture icon and a well-known political commentator. The host of The Daily Beast, and pundit, and a frequent guest on Fox News, and host of the BBC Radio 4, and hosts a podcast, and he is a frequent contributor to conservative radio, The Daily Caller, and his own podcast, The Financial Times, The Hollywood Reporter, and conservative radio show, The Wall Street Journal.
00:01:46.180He's also a contributor to The Hill, often writes for Newsmax.
00:01:51.680His writings have appeared in New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The National Review, American Conservative.
00:01:59.100He's the author of China is Going to War, The Great U.S.-China Tech War, Losing South Korea, Nuclear Showdown, North Korea Takes on the World,
00:02:10.240and The Coming Collapse of China, which I believe is his latest book.
00:02:15.640No, pardon me, his most recent book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, which is actually now available on Amazon.
00:02:25.220Joining us now, China expert Gordon Chang.
00:03:58.300The Communist Party had developed norms, guidelines, rules, and understandings about succession.
00:04:05.340And people had said, even critics of the regime had said, look, you know, China has solved the one problem of hardline states, which is transferring power from one to another.
00:04:15.000I never really thought that for a number of reasons.
00:04:19.160But clearly, right now, we have a strong man in China.
00:04:22.820He's tore up the entire playbook of the Communist Party about transferring power.
00:04:28.060And there's just complete uncertainty.
00:04:30.060He has made sure that there is no obvious successor, which means that when he dies, there's probably going to be an all-out scramble for power.
00:04:38.620And probably you will see chaos in China and maybe the Chinese military taking over.
00:04:44.880But well before that, Xi Jinping probably will start a war someplace because he's got a bloodlust and he's got a lot of domestic incentives to start a war.
00:04:55.180Obviously, there's been a lot written and reported about vice presidential candidate Tim Waltz's relationships with China.
00:05:11.200We are told that he taught at a university in China.
00:05:15.180Of course, all the institutions in China are controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:20.140And also that he visited on at least 30 occasions, often taking students from the United States to China.
00:05:31.580Yeah, I think the most suspicious activity is taking American students and exposing them to Communist Party propaganda in China.
00:05:39.100Because that effort could not have occurred without the approval of the Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which is the part of the party that subverts foreign governments.
00:05:48.260Now, Tim Waltz can't say, well, I was young then and I was just a knucklehead.
00:05:53.880This occurred in the late 1990s and in the first decade of this century.
00:05:58.880And he can't say that because we know that as governor of Minnesota, he has had continuous contact with Communist Party front organizations in his state.
00:06:08.400He even appointed a Communist Party agent to a state government board in Minnesota.
00:06:13.980We know this from Daily Caller reporting.
00:06:16.040So this is his contacts with the most dangerous part of our enemy have been continuous and throughout this century.
00:06:24.720So, yeah, I think that his presence on the ticket disqualifies the Democratic Party.
00:06:30.860I don't think anyone should vote for the Democratic Party ticket because of Tim Waltz's position on it.
00:06:53.240Mr. Chang, my question to you is about General Mark Milley.
00:06:56.600We pulled some headlines this morning talking about the time from October of 2020 to January of 2021, where General Mark Milley, who was the Joint Chief of Staff at the time, was communicating with General Lee of China and top military generals over there, telling them that we wouldn't attack them.
00:07:16.220Telling them that if the United States ever did attack them, that he would reach out because they have such a storied, long relationship.
00:07:23.940Can you speak to, you know, a lot of people see this, Mr. Chang, and they say, well, Mark Milley must be compromised because that's the only reason that you would hand literally the keys to the castle over to China and tell them, if we attack you, we're going to warn you before that happens.
00:07:40.100I mean, that seems treasonous to me. Do you think Mark Milley is compromised by China?
00:07:44.700And can you speak to the operations of the Chinese government in the United States to compromise people like Mark Milley so that they can have their way politically?
00:07:54.080Yeah, well, China's efforts to buy the American political system are extensive.
00:07:59.480And we know this, for instance, because of what's happened in New York State with the recent indictments, with all the investigations.
00:08:06.540And clearly, you know, you have cases like Eric Swalwell.
00:08:12.200And, you know, the point about Swalwell, just because it gives context to this before we talk about Milley.
00:08:18.560You know, the Ministry of State Security first contacted Eric Swalwell, not when he was on the House Intelligence Committee, where, of course, he'd be great value to Beijing.
00:08:28.700But it was when he was on the City Council of Dublin City, California.
00:08:32.580Yeah. Now, that means there can't be just one American politician that China was grooming.
00:08:38.920There have to be dozens, if not hundreds of Swalwells.
00:08:42.140That's not to say Swalwell did anything wrong, but it is to show you how pervasive and how comprehensive China's efforts were.
00:08:49.740But, you know, with regard to Mark Milley, regardless of China's contacts with him or lack of contacts, we know that that conversation that he said that I will warn you if we are going to attack China, that has got to be treason.
00:09:05.180And this is, you know, you have Milley saying, I think it was to Bob Woodward, that, look, I'm afraid I'm going to be court-martialed.
00:09:14.060Well, I think that court-martialed would be the least of his concerns.
00:09:18.180I think that a trial for treason would be in order.
00:09:20.900And, you know, there's one other thing about Mark Milley that is a warning sign.
00:09:27.000And that is just before, this is about two weeks before he left his post as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, he actually told the American people that China's spy balloon that floated over our country in January and February of last year did not transmit information back to China.
00:09:44.280That was in a CBS News interview, if I remember correctly.
00:09:49.480Well, NBC, in a report just a few weeks or a month afterwards, said, look, yes, this spy balloon had the capability to transmit back to China and, in fact, did so.
00:10:02.800So what Milley was doing was saying was, first of all, just to me, almost, you know, it didn't have any credibility.
00:10:10.320But, again, I don't have a security clearance.
00:10:14.280But clearly others who do wanted to contradict Milley because that statement is an indication that he was narrating sort of like a Communist Party narrative.
00:10:25.700And I don't know why he did it, Troy, but the point is, yeah, we should start looking at this.
00:10:31.240Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to Gordon Chang, an expert on the China-America relationships.
00:10:40.940His new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, now available on Amazon.
00:10:48.920Let me urge you to pick up a copy of that.
00:10:51.600I have ordered it, ordered it yesterday.
00:12:21.660There have been reports recently that the Bank of China has been working with the Mexican drug cartels, mostly washing their money in exchange for moving fentanyl into the United States.
00:12:35.320What do you think America should do about this?
00:12:42.700Under Section 311 of the USA Patriot Act, we can declare Bank of China to be a primary money laundering concern.
00:12:50.820That means no correspondent bank in New York can have relations with and clear dollars for Bank of China, which means Bank of China cannot deal in dollars anywhere in the world except for paper currency, which means basically this puts it out of business, at least it's international business.
00:13:10.660The reason why this is important, Roger, is because the big Chinese banks have been laundering money, not just for the fentanyl cartels and fentanyl producers, but also for others around the world.
00:13:24.300China has taken over the money laundering business from the Colombians and the Mexicans, and they've been able to do it because the Chinese state has supported money launders.
00:13:33.860Remember, China controls these large Chinese banks, and so they can't do anything without the approval of the Communist Party.
00:13:42.820So if they're laundering money for criminals, it means the Communist Party is in the money laundering business, which means we need to go after all their banks, because all their big banks have certainly been involved in money laundering for one party or another.
00:13:57.080Troy, next question to you, Roger, my question is about the spreading of China, you know, we're seeing this kind of parallel economy, a world economy being built by China, and they are going around the country with around the world with bricks and really recruiting these nations.
00:14:14.840I want to ask you, how do you think the U.S. can begin to combat that on the world stage, and how can we get in a position where we're not, it seems we're always losing ground and China's always gaining ground.
00:14:27.320How can we make it more even where we're not constantly losing and they're not constantly gaining?
00:14:34.200You talked about the BRICS, which is a grouping led by China, Russia, India, South Africa, and now it's a group of 10, as others have added to it.
00:15:05.280I mean, when you look at the Eurozone, you're dealing with countries which are alike.
00:15:10.800They're having problems with the common currency.
00:15:12.760You can imagine with the BRICS, which are very, very different, one country from the next, they will not be able to maintain a currency.
00:15:20.380There's only one country that can tank the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve unit, and that's us.
00:15:26.800And we're doing a pretty good job of it by this excessive spending by Congress.
00:15:32.160But, you know, in terms of what China's trying to do with the renminbi, its currency, those are things I'm not terribly concerned about at this point.
00:15:43.640Nonetheless, your broader point, though, is, yes, we are losing ground.
00:15:48.760And the simple reason is we're losing ground because we don't have leadership.
00:15:52.280You know, the Biden years resemble the Carter years where the U.S. was thought to be finished and where American leaders actually, Nixon and Kissinger, thought we were done as well.
00:16:03.540What we had after Carter was a Reagan.
00:16:07.740And Reagan decided, look, we win, they lose.
00:17:39.840But now they've got the problem of resolving all the debt that they've accumulated.
00:17:44.480And they don't have any answers to that.
00:17:46.620So the issue here for the world is, because people don't understand the problems in China, when it fails, and it will, people are going to panic.
00:17:57.120And that panic will spread around the world.
00:20:10.700So although we're a far stronger society than China, we can lose our country to China unless we start defending ourselves with the vigor that is necessary.
00:20:25.720Mr. Chang, my next question is about the relationship between China and Iran.
00:20:29.760We've seen under the Biden administration that Iran has become the number one oil exporter to China.
00:20:36.100And that gives me cause for concern because I think that makes them a powerhouse that, you know, if they're powering the Chinese economy, even if it goes down, people still need energy.
00:20:45.500It's going to be a major source of income for a long time.
00:20:48.460Can you talk about the relationship between China and Iran and how the U.S. can try to weaken their trading as far as oil is concerned so that we don't have a situation where Iran is becoming more and more powerful and more and more dangerous?
00:21:12.680Last year, China took over 90 percent of Iran's exports of crude oil.
00:21:18.940The volume of China's purchases of Iran's crude last year was 60 percent above that in 2017.
00:21:26.060I mentioned 2017 because that was the last year before the Trump administration reimposed sanctions on the purchase of Iranian oil.
00:21:34.480And the way that we can deal with the relationship between Iran and China is we can start enforcing our own sanctions.
00:21:40.800Biden has completely failed to do that.
00:21:44.000He has not been enforcing those sanctions at all.
00:21:46.880And he's been actually shoveling money into Iran, which is just incomprehensible.
00:21:54.040So we need a top-to-bottom review of our Iran policies.
00:21:59.500Just one other thing, which, to put a point on this, on September 11th of last year, Biden entered into that agreement with Iran and where he unfroze a lot of money, which, by the way, Iran used to attack Israel just a little bit afterwards.
00:22:17.340But also, Biden granted clemency to five Iranian operatives.
00:22:23.600And inexplicably, incomprehensibly, he allowed three of those operatives to remain in the United States.
00:22:30.840I mention that because Iranian operatives at that time were trying to kill Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other senior State Department officials from the Trump era.
00:22:44.480Since that time, we have learned that Iranian operatives are actually trying to kill President Trump as well.
00:22:51.760So this—we have a State Department, we have an NSC, National Security Council, that has been penetrated by Iranian operatives.
00:23:02.680We have a government that looks like it is trying to promote Iran's war on us.
00:23:09.040And clearly, we need a new president to clean that out.
00:23:12.560You've spoken extensively about China's looming demographic collapse due to its aging population and its surprisingly low birth rate.
00:23:26.080What will be the impact of both of these developments?
00:26:53.060Looked to me like Brett Baer lost control of his own interview.
00:26:57.060And all that really happened here was that Kamala Harris just began shouting her pre-approved talking points that her campaign had developed.
00:27:09.000Didn't matter what's happened, despite the fact that she has been in office for the last three and a half years.
00:27:15.140No matter what happened, it's Donald Trump's fault.
00:27:29.640Well, Roger, you know, I think when we look at Brett Baer, we know what we have there.
00:27:33.320And that's not an individual that is supporting the America First movement.
00:27:38.940And, you know, for all of the stuff we hear from the left about, oh, Fox News is so right-leaning.
00:27:44.580With people like Brett Baer conducting their big interviews, my question is, where are the right-leaning people that they talk so much about?
00:27:50.720You know, and that was another thing I saw with this interview in particular, Roger, because, you know, I've noticed something in this election cycle.
00:28:00.780And you can answer this after we roll the clip, because we do have a clip of that exchange between Brett Baer, the most testy exchange between Brett Baer and Kamala Harris.
00:28:09.860But I've noticed that a lot of the things that Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh are doing are trying to appeal to people that may be more center or more right.
00:28:20.140You see Tim Walsh out there with his guns, Kamala Harris saying, oh, I'm a gun owner, you know, trying to make these appeals to maybe people who lean more to the right.
00:28:28.500And then if you observe the way that President Trump has been talking and the way that he's put out statements, whether it's, you know, I won't sign a national abortion ban, his policies, the way he's selling himself is almost to the left.
00:28:41.300And I think, just my opinion, that this was a miscalculation by an inexperienced politician, because the purpose, in my opinion, of Kamala Harris going on to Fox News is to appeal to people who watch Fox News, because her people know that in order for her to win this election, she's going to have to reach more people than the hardcore Democrats.
00:29:01.340And the fact that she couldn't get through the interview without viciously attacking Bret Baier, who, by the way, no friend of President Trump, is just speaks to, I think, the fact that she's really inexperienced.
00:29:12.580She's not ready for this stage. And it's showing every time. Let's roll that clip and then get Roger's thoughts on.
00:29:19.080I think this is a faux pas here. I think this is a big, big mistake. Let's roll that.
00:29:22.600Let me be very clear. My presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency.
00:29:28.140And like every new president that comes in to office, I will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences and fresh and new ideas.
00:29:39.180I represent a new generation of leadership. I, for example, am someone who has not spent the majority of my career in Washington, D.C.
00:29:47.760I invite ideas, whether it be from the Republicans who are supporting me, who were just on stage with me minutes ago, and the business sector and others who can contribute to the decisions that I make about, for example,
00:30:02.660my plan for increasing the supply of housing in America and bringing down the cost of housing, addressing the issue of small businesses,
00:30:09.900which is about working with the private sector to bring more capital and access to capital to our small business leaders, including my plan for a $25,000 down payment assistance for first time home buyers and for small businesses extending the tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000.
00:30:28.480We asked that question to the former president today. Harris Faulkner had a town hall, and this is how he responded.
00:30:36.840I heard about that. They were saying I was, like, threatening. I'm not threatening anybody. They're the ones doing their threatening. They do phony investigations.
00:30:44.980I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the greatest gangster.
00:30:48.780No, it's true. No, but think of it. It's called weaponization of government. It's a terrible thing.
00:30:53.080So, Brett, I'm sorry, and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he's speaking about the American people.
00:31:05.600That's not what you just showed. He was asked about that specific. No, no, no, no, that's not what you just showed, in all fairness and respect to you.
00:31:10.820No, no, no, I'm telling you that was the question that we asked him.
00:31:12.960You didn't show that, and here's the bottom line. He has repeated it many times, and you and I both know that.
00:31:19.180And you and I both know that he has talked about turning the American military on the American people.
00:31:25.220He has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protest.
00:31:29.920He has talked about locking people up because they disagree with him.
00:31:35.800And in an inner democracy, the president of the United States in the United States of America should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it.
00:31:49.620And this is what is at stake, which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying what Mark Milley has said about Donald Trump being a threat to the United States of America.
00:32:07.820The Department of Defense has just released, under the Harris-Biden administration, their new regulations giving them the authority to use lethal force against American citizens.
00:32:21.000Donald Trump has never said, ever, that he would lock people up for criticizing him.
00:32:26.940These Republican endorsements that she touted, yes, John Kelly, General John Kelly, who was ignominiously canned for incompetence and for his efforts to undermine President Trump's agenda, and who came up with a slew of lies and criticisms of Trump only after he was fired, has now endorsed Kamala Harris.
00:32:50.860General Mark Milley, General Mark Milley, he's the guy who called the Chinese and said, don't worry, we won't launch any kind of attack on you without my calling and telling you advance.
00:33:03.420Yeah, he's been critical of President Trump.
00:33:06.900Defense Secretary Esper, an incompetent.
00:33:10.920Yes, he was fired, and only after he was fired did he criticize President Trump.
00:33:17.240They keep touting these Republican endorsements.
00:33:20.280Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney, who started a war that cost the lives of tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis when he knew that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, when he knew that Iraq had no involvement whatsoever in 9-11.
00:33:39.240These are the big Republican endorsements that she touts, and to claim that Trump would weaponize the Justice Department to jail his political enemies when she's part of an administration that's seeking to do that, even as we speak.
00:33:54.800This is Alinskyism gone wild in her tone, that strident tone.
00:35:35.820But given that you have such experience with going on Fox, I mean, did you give her any advice about this interview beforehand?
00:35:44.480I wasn't involved in her interview prep.
00:35:46.820What I will say is that, you know, one principle I try to remember that I thought she demonstrated is making sure not to allow them to kind of change the subject or the framing of the question at hand.
00:35:58.280Right. The whole topic there was the fact that a candidate for president and a former U.S. president described the American people, the ones he disagreed with, as the enemy.
00:36:07.620And it's really important not to allow some sidestepping of that.
00:36:13.500She also made sure to continue to get her point across, even when she was being repeatedly interrupted.
00:36:18.860As somebody who has a lot of batting practice myself on that network, really proud of how she represented her views, her values and this ticket in front of a conservative audience.
00:36:28.860Something I might add, by the way, that is a show of strength.
00:36:32.300That is the exact opposite of the weakness that Donald Trump has demonstrated by pulling out of going, even on CNBC, which is hardly a liberal bastion, or 60 Minutes, where it's customary for both candidates to go on.
00:36:48.540He's not prepared to go in front of a skeptical, let alone unfriendly audience.
00:36:56.660Remember, this is in keeping with her continued outreach to conservatives.
00:37:00.860Look at the difference between her making clear that she would include Republicans in her cabinet, campaigning with so many Republicans, principled Republicans, who are for her, versus him referring to Democrats as the enemy.
00:37:14.400I mean, you don't even know where to start.
00:37:18.360As I recall, their standard bearer called people who supported Donald Trump deplorables.
00:37:24.120Their administration calls Americans who support the right to life, Americans who are concerned about the curriculum being taught to their children in the public schools, Americans who may choose as Catholics to attend the Catholic Mass as domestic terrorists.
00:37:42.700Who is it that is attacking the American people?
00:37:45.580Sure, let's go to 60 Minutes, where we know they will actually edit the interview to change the answers.
00:37:54.020I've never seen that in 45 years in the arena.
00:37:58.840Who was that man interviewing Pete Buttigieg, by the way?
00:38:19.120Well, and you're exactly right, because this has been, you know, they're salivating over this interview.
00:38:24.500They're acting like this is one of the greatest interviews of all time.
00:38:27.200And one of your favorites, we haven't brought him up in a while because he's kind of been missing.
00:38:31.040And it's kind of interesting, you know, he gets fired by CNN and he crawls back to them.
00:38:34.460One of the creepiest, weirdest guys I've ever seen, Brian Stelter.
00:38:37.820Now, he went on the air, Roger, and said, I can't even say it with a straight face, that this was one of the best interviews that Kamala Harris has ever done.
00:38:46.860He claimed that it was, I mean, he might as well have said that God was in the interview.
00:38:52.180So let's roll that clip of Brian Stelter.
00:38:55.080I mean, just smooching Kamala Harris on the behind on CNN.
00:39:00.420I think this strategy from Harris was a Google strategy.
00:39:02.940She wanted Fox viewers to start to Google some of the things she was saying, because some of the comments she was making in this interview are foreign to the Fox audience.
00:39:11.220For example, General Mark Milley saying Trump is a fascist to the core.
00:39:14.840That's barely been covered on Fox News.
00:39:17.180So she was able to get some of those talking points in.
00:39:19.480This was the most adversarial interview Kamala Harris has probably ever done.
00:39:23.620Instead of getting to debate Trump again, she got to debate Brett Baer.
00:39:26.420And a lot of viewers are going to come away saying, wow, she's willing to do that.
00:39:30.120That's a sign of toughness and strength.
00:41:28.800I saw the press conference at the time that Kamala Harris did in which she said the state was losing over a billion dollars a year in federal funds because of truancy rates.
00:41:42.080Because of truancy, California public schools lose $1.4 billion a year in funding.
00:43:36.380Due to the fact that I was a certified nurse's assistant, my license was at risk.
00:43:40.660And because, of course, they run your credit, not your credit check, but your background check.
00:43:45.300And it showed that I had a current open case with the courts and they released me for my duties.
00:43:50.660It took me two and a half years to fight my case to prove that I wasn't a criminal with a chronically ill child with the oldest hereditary condition in the world.
00:44:01.080One in every 365 black Americans have sickle cell.
00:44:05.980These children are very sick and they need support.
00:46:37.420And that is the reason why I'm saying do not trust Kamala Harris, because the policies that she put in place as the state attorney general here in California disproportionately affected me and my child.
00:46:50.560Not just then, but to this day, because I'm still affected.
00:46:55.700Well, our living situation today tends to be a little bit unstable due to the fact that she's in and out of the hospital a lot.
00:47:02.200We've been in motels for a while, living with family members.
00:47:05.720So I'm always at risk of homelessness.
00:47:08.500And that's the reason why that we have a GoFundMe at this moment to help us during this time of crisis, because my income is tremendously affected.
00:47:40.580And thank you for listening to our story and helping us give awareness to not only Sickle Cell, but to what Hamala has done to us and what she continues to do.
00:48:34.360Well, we have a few more news items, Roger.
00:48:37.080I just wanted to say that watching that clip, you know, it's so great to see Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you know, involved with the Trump campaign, going out there and engaging voters like that.
00:48:48.340I think that video speaks to the value of RFK Jr. and what he brings to the table.
00:48:54.460I think maybe one day when we look back at this election, we will look at the endorsement of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. endorsing President Trump and we'll say that was the turning point.
00:49:03.360That video, tremendous, tremendous work by RFK Jr.
00:49:07.000But there is another person in politics, Roger, that I think may be a bigger problem for Kamala Harris.
00:49:15.400Let's put up a picture of Joe Biden wearing the Trump hat.
00:49:18.680During the Fox News interview yesterday, Roger, Kamala Harris was asked about Joe Biden's presidency, and she very clearly stated that her presidency, if elected, would be nothing like the presidency of Joe Biden.
00:49:32.820Now, this directly contradicts the statements made by Joe Biden, who at a White House press briefing just a few days ago said that there's virtually no difference between his policies and Kamala Harris's policies.
00:49:44.480He stated that she was the last person in the room for the Afghanistan withdrawal.
00:49:48.980He stated that she was the border czar.
00:49:51.080He stated that she was leading on China and other nations.
00:49:55.420So I want to ask you, you know, heading into this election, what are the probabilities in your mind that we're going to see Biden loyalists within the Democrat Party sabotage Kamala Harris?
00:50:05.620Because what he's saying and what she's saying are complete opposites here, Roger.
00:50:10.340Yeah, it seems to be that Joe Biden is kind of schizophrenic.
00:50:15.700There's no question of his deep hatred for Donald Trump.
00:50:19.240He he talked about attacking Trump as a criminal the other day.
00:50:24.340On the other hand, when is Jill Biden going to go out and campaign for the ticket?
00:51:04.740Joe Biden remains a wild card for this particular contest.
00:51:10.500I don't think he would like to be succeeded by Kamala Harris.
00:51:14.160On the other hand, he's conflicted by his deep hatred for Donald Trump.
00:51:19.020Well, and Roger, the hatred of Donald Trump is something that we see on the on the Democrat side on a daily basis.
00:51:26.020And it seems it's like a Trump derangement syndrome that's infecting huge parts of the country.
00:51:32.220And you have these people like Gwen Walls.
00:51:35.340And she really, you know, as she continues to go out into public, it's getting weirder and weirder.
00:51:40.860You know, we've kind of criticized her on the show for some of the strange things.
00:51:43.520She says we have another clip where she criticizes Trump over IVF.
00:51:47.920Now, let's keep in mind that when the Alabama Supreme Court had a ruling that was a little iffy on IVF,
00:51:56.080President Trump immediately called the Alabama legislator and governor and had them worked with them to pass legislation to protect IVF in the state of Alabama.
00:52:05.440He's also proposed that government that the government will actually pay for people to get IVF treatment if he is elected to office in 2024.
00:52:17.280So he's actually promised free IVF treatment for people.
00:52:20.700And yet the Democrats continue to criticize him on the idea of IVF.
00:52:25.220And they say, oh, Trump would sign a national abortion ban.
00:52:28.020And I want to get your thoughts on this statement by Gwen Walls and the idea that they keep trotting these people out here.
00:52:33.040She may be worse than Tampon Tim himself.