The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


Rod Martin ｜ 07-15-25


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Rod Martin is the founder and CEO of Martin Capital and The Rod Martin Report. He is also the editor-in-chief of A Light Bulletin and a regular contributor to The Daily Caller. In this episode, he joins me to discuss a new piece he wrote on the deep state conspiracy to smear Donald Trump.

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00:00:00.660 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.680 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.
00:00:10.060 Joining me now is Rod D. Martin.
00:00:12.920 He's the founder and CEO of Martin Capital.
00:00:15.980 But more importantly, he is the editor and publisher of a lively substack, the Rod Martin Report.
00:00:24.000 You also can find him at rodmartin.org.
00:00:26.740 His political and economic analysis is always brilliant and provocative and pleased to have him back with us today.
00:00:36.580 Rod, welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:00:39.180 Wonderful to be here.
00:00:41.440 So you have a great piece on Russiagate.
00:00:46.240 I myself have confirmed from my own sources that the massive deep state probe that we've all been waiting for is actually in the works
00:00:55.060 and could be announced as soon as this week.
00:00:57.780 The Justice Department and the FBI have been working on a massive case, is going to make the MAGA base,
00:01:04.760 I think, very happy.
00:01:06.180 Now, my initial take on the CIA report released by CIA Director Radcliffe was that it was a shallow dive into the deep plot that began in the Oval Office
00:01:21.480 when Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey, and others decided to try to frame Donald Trump
00:01:34.240 and remove him from office based on a false premise that the Russians somehow aided in his election.
00:01:42.620 You have a great piece on this.
00:01:44.960 What is your take?
00:01:45.740 Well, first of all, all of that is correct, and thank you for having me.
00:01:52.100 You know, the truth is it was an attempted coup, and it started with overwhelming election interference in the 2016 election.
00:02:04.080 Anything in the world to deflect from Hillary's very real scandals and everything in the world 0.99
00:02:11.500 to smear Donald Trump and all of his close associates, yourself included.
00:02:16.040 So this is where it began.
00:02:18.680 It failed massively.
00:02:21.680 You may recall the book Shattered, in which we have a very useful account of Hillary on election night in 2016,
00:02:33.900 pretty drunk and deciding that this was the course of action to take.
00:02:38.100 So, you know, what we're seeing in the CIA report, which, as you say, is pretty shallow, but it's very preliminary,
00:02:45.120 is that they knew.
00:02:46.740 They knew that it was false.
00:02:49.020 They knew what they were doing.
00:02:51.180 Brennan perjured himself on this point.
00:02:53.600 He's far from the only one.
00:02:55.260 And the brilliance of what Kash Patel has just done is that by framing it as a grand conspiracy and an ongoing one,
00:03:05.040 we get past the statute of limitations that would otherwise shelter some of these people 0.75
00:03:11.160 and therefore let them profit from their four years of sort of Biden presidency.
00:03:18.960 Yeah, I think that's a very, very key point, because, you see, Special Counsel John Durham,
00:03:26.040 for some inexplicable reason, took five years to reach the conclusions that many of us had already reached
00:03:32.700 and which many in the independent media had already reported.
00:03:35.740 But he was running out the clock.
00:03:37.800 He wanted to make sure that none of the conspirators could be charged,
00:03:42.520 which is why he took four long years.
00:03:46.940 And he never even addressed the question of whether the Democrat National Committee was, in fact,
00:03:52.520 the target of an online hack by Russian intelligence.
00:03:58.140 P.S., they weren't.
00:03:59.540 There is no evidence to that.
00:04:01.180 In fact, all of the forensic evidence is to the contrary.
00:04:05.020 The download times of the material online points to the material being downloaded to some kind of portable drive
00:04:17.260 and taken out the back door, as opposed to an online hack.
00:04:21.580 Durham didn't even address those issues.
00:04:24.860 Very specifically here, Brennan, who is quite the character, I mean, admitted communist,
00:04:31.340 who admitted to being a communist in a polygraph test, said he voted, belonged to the Communist Party
00:04:40.100 and voted for the Communist Party candidate for president.
00:04:43.240 He is the same man who signed the visas for four of the 9-11 hijackers 0.76
00:04:49.280 when he was the CIA station chief in Riyadh.
00:04:53.440 He's a guy who got caught red-handed spying on a U.S. Senate committee
00:04:58.560 that was investigating his illegal use of torture as the CIA director.
00:05:04.700 And according to FBI counterterrorism expert John Guandolo,
00:05:11.940 Brennan converted to Islam, actually to Wahhabism,
00:05:17.920 in an elaborate ceremony when he was the station chief for the CIA in Saudi Arabia.
00:05:24.620 That's quite a checkered past.
00:05:26.400 But in this particular case, he is specifically nailed for insisting that the Steele dossier,
00:05:34.240 this fraudulent report that he actually knew was fabricated and paid for by Hillary Clinton
00:05:40.600 and her campaign, be included in President Barack Obama's intelligence assessment report
00:05:48.660 so that they could then use it as the rationale for the entire witch hunt.
00:05:54.240 They could use it as the rationale for spying on Donald Trump's campaign.
00:05:59.980 They said that the Steele dossier was not the basis for which the FISA warrants were granted,
00:06:07.400 but, well, that was a lie.
00:06:10.080 They also used it as the rationale for the appointment of Robert Mueller
00:06:14.680 and the kickoff of the witch hunt,
00:06:16.520 with which I am, of course, extraordinarily familiar,
00:06:20.260 having been a victim thereof.
00:06:22.500 Do you think, Rod, that any of these characters will ever actually face trial in the United States?
00:06:31.240 Well, Kash Patel has made it possible.
00:06:34.440 They weren't going to.
00:06:36.380 Whether they will, I mean, my goodness,
00:06:39.560 I really thought William Barr was going to do the right thing,
00:06:43.340 and that turned out to be a huge mistake.
00:06:45.640 And, of course, I feel like I'm in good company, since Donald Trump clearly did, too.
00:06:51.820 But can we trust these people?
00:06:54.440 I think we can.
00:06:55.660 I think Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are straight shooters.
00:07:00.540 I think Pam Bondi is clearly earning the confidence of the president,
00:07:06.760 which he restated over the weekend.
00:07:09.460 I don't know all the ins and outs of some of that.
00:07:11.700 You've spoken really well to it.
00:07:13.660 But this seems to be a team we should trust.
00:07:16.980 The one that you didn't mention that I really hope we get back to,
00:07:21.440 you alluded to it, is Seth Rich.
00:07:24.380 Because the truth of the matter is,
00:07:26.140 there's no way that the download could have happened
00:07:29.780 other than with some kind of portable drive, as you correctly state.
00:07:34.480 And suddenly, we have, in broad daylight,
00:07:37.480 a DNC staffer just gunned down?
00:07:40.160 Well, gee, I wonder what went on there.
00:07:42.860 And as you know, there was no meaningful investigation.
00:07:46.280 It just gets shunted off the front page.
00:07:48.920 And that needs addressing.
00:07:51.020 Maybe nothing happened, but something probably did.
00:07:54.460 Well, we don't have, the FBI lost his computer.
00:07:58.140 They can't find it.
00:08:00.060 And as did the security camera video from the bar that he left
00:08:07.260 shortly before he was murdered.
00:08:10.660 And frankly, if you talk about his murder,
00:08:13.180 there's a reasonable chance that you'll be sued.
00:08:16.060 His father went from saying,
00:08:18.040 this could not possibly have been a robbery
00:08:19.900 because his jewelry, his wallet, his cash was all intact.
00:08:25.220 But once a crisis management consultant paid for by the Democrat National Committee swooped in,
00:08:33.520 now suddenly, Seth Rich's parents are threatening to sue anyone who questions the circumstances of his death.
00:08:42.240 I think it is very, very suspicious, to say the least.
00:08:48.260 I agree with you, although in all honesty, having been through the process,
00:08:53.460 any Democrat, any Trump hater who is charged in the District of Columbia will probably walk.
00:09:01.380 First of all, you're going to get a rabid left-wing Trump-hating judge like I had in my case.
00:09:07.680 She specifically withheld totally exculpatory evidence from my defense attorneys.
00:09:14.040 My lawyers, citing the fact that a person is entitled to have all evidence against them prior to trial,
00:09:22.340 asked for Robert Mueller's final, completely unredacted report.
00:09:26.820 And the judge denied it to us.
00:09:29.240 She said that she would read the report in her chambers
00:09:32.440 and she would give us the sections of the report that were germane to Roger Stone.
00:09:39.140 What she gave us was unusable and incomprehensible.
00:09:43.240 She, however, neglected to include the section on page 178 of his report,
00:09:48.260 in which even Mueller couldn't sugarcoat the fact that he'd found no evidence of Russian collusion,
00:09:56.220 WikiLeaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.
00:10:00.300 Somehow the judge neglected to give that section to my attorneys.
00:10:05.720 I have to put up with these endless attacks on social media regarding being called a Russian agent
00:10:13.420 and this nonsense of Guccifer 2.0, who is a persona that I had a brief exchange with on Twitter,
00:10:22.900 direct messages, which took place three months after WikiLeaks had already published
00:10:29.720 all of the material from Hillary Clinton's campaign and from the DNC.
00:10:34.300 So without a time machine, it would have been impossible for me to have been a conspirator
00:10:38.860 in the hack of that material.
00:10:41.560 But, of course, try breaking through the fake news media din to make that point.
00:10:48.040 It's virtually impossible.
00:10:51.380 Indeed.
00:10:52.400 It's just Soviet justice. 0.91
00:10:54.860 I mean, it is straight out of Venezuela.
00:10:58.620 You could probably get a fairer trial in China than we get in the District of Columbia.
00:11:04.720 And that's one of the most encouraging things about what Cash did.
00:11:08.340 But the way he is framing the case, there is the possibility of bringing cases outside of D.C.,
00:11:16.180 possibly even in Florida.
00:11:18.120 And I think that we've got a real shot at a fair trial in some of those venues.
00:11:23.620 So I want to ask you, Rob, what you think of the auto pen scandal.
00:11:28.220 The New York Times reported now that President Joe Biden did not review every single case,
00:11:35.180 that the decision on who to use the auto pen to sign pardons was made by a staff member.
00:11:43.840 Actually, I raised this question in my speech this weekend.
00:11:47.740 Let's listen to that soundbite, if we may.
00:11:51.180 We also need a special prosecutor to investigate the origins of the COVID-19 vaccination.
00:11:59.660 I call on the Attorney General to charge Anthony Fauci for lying to Congress.
00:12:11.600 And when, in his legal defense, he argues that he cannot be charged because he has a preemptive pardon,
00:12:24.660 the government can finally test the legality of the auto pen in which all of those documents should not be honored.
00:12:32.600 The point, of course, I made was that we should charge Dr. Anthony Fauci.
00:12:41.560 And when we do, we could charge him with lying to Congress.
00:12:46.240 Rand Paul, I saw today, is going to once again send another letter of referral to the Justice Department
00:12:53.620 because Fauci lied under oath to the Senate
00:12:56.980 when he said that U.S. taxpayers did not pay for gain of function,
00:13:03.080 basically the weaponization of the COVID-19 vaccination in the Wuhan lab. 0.66
00:13:09.620 That was a lie.
00:13:11.460 Fauci's lawyers will then argue that he cannot be prosecuted
00:13:15.180 because he has his preemptive pardon,
00:13:17.820 which will allow the Trump administration to argue,
00:13:22.640 you know, the pardon you have is not valid because it was signed by an auto pen 0.56
00:13:27.700 without the authorization of the President of the United States.
00:13:31.780 President Trump has said this is a bigger scandal, perhaps,
00:13:35.540 even than Russian Gate or Watergate.
00:13:38.000 What's your take on it, Rod?
00:13:40.260 That is correct.
00:13:42.000 We have a legal term for what they did.
00:13:44.420 It's forgery.
00:13:46.160 And a forged document has no legal validity.
00:13:50.020 So, you know, you now have the New York kind saying plainly that the president,
00:13:56.500 the supposed president, Joe Biden, is sitting there, you know,
00:14:03.220 just giving these kind of broad general approvals,
00:14:06.980 didn't actually approve the individual cases or at least some of them.
00:14:11.680 I think this is completely assailable in court.
00:14:15.080 And I think we have justices.
00:14:16.660 I wouldn't have been so sure a year ago,
00:14:19.140 but after the string of cases we've had in the last month or two,
00:14:24.100 I think it's very, very clear that this Supreme Court is going to be open to an attack
00:14:29.460 on these pardons and not only these, but potentially other documents
00:14:34.520 that were falsely signed by staff and not by the president.
00:14:40.080 Article 2, Section 1 is very clear.
00:14:42.520 The executive authority shall be vested in a president of the United States,
00:14:48.980 not in a chief of staff, not in an independent agency, which is an abomination.
00:14:54.600 You know, we have a constitution.
00:14:56.480 We have to follow it.
00:14:57.680 We've got six justices who seem pretty committed to that.
00:15:00.720 So I think we've got a shot.
00:15:02.740 All right, folks, if you're just tuning in,
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00:15:54.280 I guess the anniversary, one-year anniversary,
00:15:58.620 of the attempt on Donald Trump's life was this past weekend.
00:16:04.200 To me, it's amazing that we still don't have any answers
00:16:07.500 regarding what happened that day.
00:16:10.460 I'm not sure that Thomas Matthew Crooks is the shooter.
00:16:13.680 I'm not certain that he didn't have Confederates. 0.90
00:16:16.400 You've written about this, Rod.
00:16:17.480 What is your take?
00:16:18.220 Well, it's just shameful that we're a year out
00:16:22.600 and there have been six suspensions but no firings.
00:16:26.620 I mean, that day was just a train wreck,
00:16:29.060 not least in their complete failure to clear off the exact site
00:16:34.380 from which the shooter fired on the president and the crowd.
00:16:39.340 I mean, it was just painfully obvious that this is where a shooter would want to go,
00:16:44.800 and they didn't do it.
00:16:46.340 And, of course, the Biden administration went out of its way
00:16:49.460 to limit the president's security detail
00:16:52.440 and apparently to limit the number of quality people on the detail.
00:16:59.300 So I think it's just a travesty.
00:17:01.820 We need to get to the bottom of it.
00:17:03.540 I'm sure the president is very sure and very certain of where he's going with that,
00:17:10.140 but we need some fundamental reform at the Secret Service.
00:17:13.720 Yeah, it's interesting to me that they hosed down the top of the building
00:17:17.100 from the exact place where the shooter shot.
00:17:19.800 Remind me when they, within hours,
00:17:22.000 they hosed out the back of John F. Kennedy's limousine in Dallas
00:17:25.880 on November 22, 1963.
00:17:28.540 But they didn't have DNA testing then.
00:17:31.020 They do have it now,
00:17:32.200 which is why I suspect that Crooks was cremated
00:17:35.780 almost immediately after the assassination,
00:17:39.640 and they hosed down the area from which he allegedly shot,
00:17:43.540 perhaps to conceal the fact that there was no DNA match.
00:17:48.260 Then we're told that the FBI
00:17:51.120 can't get into his encrypted messages on his cell phone,
00:17:55.640 which, I'm sorry, I just don't believe.
00:17:57.820 Of course they can.
00:17:59.260 And Apple refuses to hand over from the cloud
00:18:03.040 his material saying it would be an invasion of his privacy.
00:18:08.180 Yet Apple was more than happy to hand over the material
00:18:11.520 from the iCloud, in my case,
00:18:15.280 without even receiving a subpoena or a request to do so.
00:18:19.440 Now, something is rotten in Denmark.
00:18:22.440 I think we need a special prosecutor
00:18:25.780 to investigate both of the assassination attempts
00:18:30.220 of President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania,
00:18:33.820 and also in West Palm Beach, Florida.
00:18:37.020 And as I've said before, while we're at it,
00:18:39.360 we should investigate the attempted assassination
00:18:42.300 of President Ronald Reagan
00:18:43.960 because the government has never issued a report.
00:18:48.080 All we have is a statement from Vice President George Bush
00:18:51.760 telling us that it was thoroughly investigated
00:18:53.980 and that the shooter, the accused shooter, acted alone.
00:19:01.520 For me, that is not good enough.
00:19:05.100 I'd like to know a lot more.
00:19:07.360 I have been working on a book
00:19:08.660 on the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan.
00:19:12.920 I'll give you a hint where it's going.
00:19:14.740 The title of my book is Bushwhacked,
00:19:18.420 the real story of the attempted assassination
00:19:20.740 of President Ronald Reagan should be out by Christmas.
00:19:24.620 All right, I want to thank our guest, Rod Martin,
00:19:26.840 for joining us today.
00:19:27.780 Again, find him at rodmartin.org
00:19:30.100 or go to substack.com
00:19:32.540 and find the Rod Martin Report and subscribe.
00:19:35.940 You'll be very glad you did.
00:19:38.120 Until tomorrow, thank you for joining us in the Stone Zone.
00:19:41.640 Until tomorrow, once again,
00:19:43.500 God bless you and Godspeed.
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