The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Roger Stone Provides Crucial Update On Classified JFK Assassination Docs

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:10.960 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:15.300 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:20.920 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:26.320 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:31.920 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:37.260 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:42.940 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Troy Smith. I'm your regular co-host here on The Stone Zone.

00:00:47.360 I want to welcome you to The Stone Zone and urge you, if you're not following us already on Rumble,

00:00:52.320 that's where to find us every single day. It's where we find, it's where Roger and I do this show

00:00:57.540 literally five days a week where you can see us talk about the latest and greatest news

00:01:02.400 and hear what Roger has to say.

00:01:04.320 Well, folks, you're not going to go anywhere today because we have a breaking news announcement

00:01:09.400 from the legendary Roger Stone himself.

00:01:11.740 He helped Richard Nixon get to the White House.

00:01:14.220 He helped Ronald Reagan get to the White House.

00:01:16.620 And, of course, he was one of the first people, actually the first person,

00:01:21.260 to urge President Donald Trump to seek the presidency in the 1980s.

00:01:26.000 He's the most successful political operative in the history of American politics

00:01:30.920 and perhaps in the history of world politics.

00:01:34.260 It's my honor to introduce the legendary Roger Stone,

00:01:37.540 discussing the latest information on the JFK documents that are set to be released by President Trump.

00:01:43.960 Roger is, of course, the author of the New York Times bestseller,

00:01:48.220 The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ,

00:01:51.760 and is widely recognized as one of the pioneers of the JFK truth movement,

00:01:57.480 talking about the assassination and outlining who had the most to gain

00:02:01.200 from the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

00:02:03.580 That was Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:02:05.820 So the legendary Roger Stone, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:08.720 Roger, take it away.

00:02:09.840 Well, it might come as a shock to learn that the CIA has been lying

00:02:13.640 about President Kennedy's assassination.

00:02:16.000 I know, it's shocking, right?

00:02:16.920 It only took however many years to be able to say that, Clayton.

00:02:20.320 Out loud. I know, it's crazy.

00:02:22.700 All in an effort, of course, to block the American people from knowing what happened on that day.

00:02:27.500 Well, this week, suddenly, out of the blue,

00:02:29.480 the FBI has just discovered 2,400 new JFK documents, 14,000 pages.

00:02:35.740 Timing is amazing.

00:02:36.660 It comes just a few weeks after President Trump asked for a full release of all JFK documents

00:02:41.440 related to the murder.

00:02:43.900 Well, the man we wanted to ask to come on, who knows arguably more about this

00:02:46.900 than anyone in the United States, has written a book about this,

00:02:49.940 the man who killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, and that is Roger Stone.

00:02:55.360 Roger Stone, welcome into the show.

00:02:57.080 Great to see you again, my friend.

00:02:58.960 Thank you to be back with you.

00:03:01.020 So what do you make, first of all, before we get to what you expect to see in these documents,

00:03:04.700 the full release here, once President Trump signs off on that, and Tulsi Gabbard being in there,

00:03:10.180 et cetera.

00:03:10.620 But this new revelation, 2,400 new JFK documents, 14,000 pages.

00:03:17.260 The timing strikes me as odd, first of all.

00:03:20.120 Does it strike you that way?

00:03:22.120 Well, it's far worse than that, because really, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

00:03:25.760 You see, all of the relevant documents pertaining to John F. Kennedy's murder did not go into

00:03:31.940 the JFK assassination documents archive.

00:03:36.320 It's available in a number of other places and other agencies.

00:03:40.860 Those documents are not included.

00:03:42.480 So the president could broaden his order to say all documents in possession of any federal agency.

00:03:50.420 And then if we're serious, and the president is quite serious, about examining the documents

00:03:57.360 pertaining to the death of Senator Robert Kennedy, who was murdered while running for president

00:04:03.040 on the evening he won the California primary, or Dr. Martin Luther King, well, we need to

00:04:09.260 have the Los Angeles Police Department's records and the Memphis, Tennessee records, as well

00:04:16.560 as the records from the Dallas Police Department and the Dallas Sheriff's Office.

00:04:21.920 The president's committed to full disclosure, but the bureaucrats are always going to play

00:04:26.920 these games, hiding documents here and there.

00:04:29.740 Congressman Steve Cohen, a Democrat from Tennessee, and Congressman Tim Burscht, who is a real fighter

00:04:38.620 on this issue, have both co-written a letter to the president explaining where various places

00:04:46.500 the documents could be hidden, and urging him to set up someone as a liaison to ensure that

00:04:55.000 every single document is ultimately declassified and made available to the American people.

00:05:01.820 But the president's order called for a plan.

00:05:05.700 We're supposed to have a plan by now.

00:05:07.300 We gave them 15 days.

00:05:08.740 We've still seen no public plan.

00:05:11.040 Once we see that, we'll see if it's adequate to uncover all that which is covered.

00:05:15.960 Well, obviously, our show is called Redacted, because usually the things that are redacted

00:05:21.720 are the things that we want to know about.

00:05:23.440 So what do you think will be redacted?

00:05:25.980 How much of it do you think that those juicy details that the public wants and is in the

00:05:31.500 public interest to know at this point will be hidden from us under redactions?

00:05:35.680 Well, look, I think if you go back and look at the history of this, it tells you a lot.

00:05:39.200 The law mandating the release of all of the JFK assassination documents was passed in the

00:05:45.740 late 90s.

00:05:47.140 The date turned out to be 2017.

00:05:50.180 So this decision came to President Donald Trump whether he should declassify the documents.

00:05:55.360 In the end, he decided to declassify about 80 percent of them.

00:05:59.280 We learned all kinds of things that we didn't know about Kennedy's assassination.

00:06:03.340 For example, there's a memo from J. Edgar Hoover to President Lyndon Johnson saying,

00:06:08.480 Sir, our sources tell you the KGB, their Russian intelligence agency, has conducted their own

00:06:14.000 independent investigation, and they concluded that you, sir, are the PERP at working with

00:06:18.780 several federal agencies.

00:06:19.940 That was one of the things that was released.

00:06:21.880 But the part that was held back was held back at the behest of Mike Pompeo, who was the CIA

00:06:30.840 director.

00:06:32.140 So it would be—and his reasoning was that it would expose the methods and sources of

00:06:39.260 the agency.

00:06:40.080 Now, President Trump told me that it was Pompeo who talked him out of full disclosure.

00:06:45.360 He also told Judge Andrew Napolitano.

00:06:47.540 And then about, I don't know, 10 days ago, he told Sean Hannity.

00:06:52.100 So that kind of tells you what piece is missing.

00:06:56.200 If you understand, the Kennedy assassination is a puzzle.

00:07:00.660 While I maintain in my New York Times bestselling book that Lyndon Johnson is the drum major,

00:07:06.380 he's calling the shots.

00:07:08.040 He appoints himself to the secret black box subcommittee of the Defense Appropriations

00:07:14.520 Committee.

00:07:14.900 At the time, he's the Senate Majority Leader.

00:07:17.600 Very rare for a majority leader to serve on any committee.

00:07:21.260 But that's where the CIA's budget is controlled.

00:07:24.220 In other words, Lyndon Johnson is the paymaster for the CIA.

00:07:28.440 And very recently, I think it was Alex Jones posted an audio that came from the great-grandson

00:07:36.920 of Billy Sal Estes, one of Johnson's cronies, and the executive director of the Democrat

00:07:42.600 National Committee, basically Johnson's chief political operative, in which they talk casually

00:07:48.160 about the fact that Lyndon Johnson hired Malcolm Mack Wallace to kill John F. Kennedy.

00:07:53.300 That is part of the story.

00:07:54.720 That is part of the story.

00:07:55.860 So we now have—and Wallace's fingerprints are found on the sixth floor of the Texas School

00:08:01.580 Book Sponsor story.

00:08:02.940 There's multiple things tying Johnson to Wallace and Wallace to the assassination.

00:08:10.240 The CIA's involvement is also clear.

00:08:13.200 In other words, I'm not alleging that Johnson does this alone.

00:08:15.740 But the CIA is angry at Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs because they believe that he made a

00:08:21.940 mistake, not understanding that the plan that Kennedy approved for the invasion of the Bay

00:08:28.220 of Pigs included air cover from 29 Panamanian-flagged bombers flown by Cuban pilots to protect

00:08:37.880 the men storming the beaches.

00:08:40.260 Kennedy only approved the plan for the Bay of Pigs on the condition that it looked like an

00:08:45.020 indigenous Cuban uprising, not an invasion by the United States government.

00:08:50.260 Unbeknownst to Kennedy, the CIA canceled that air cover the day before the invasion.

00:08:56.520 The thing was, of course, a fiasco for which Kennedy suffered very badly politically.

00:09:02.760 But it's just yet another example of their motives.

00:09:07.040 They blame Kennedy because Curtis LeMay wanted to send in the U.S. Air Force,

00:09:11.320 stamping this as the U.S. invasion Kennedy had never agreed to, and it was denied.

00:09:17.060 The CIA also believes, and this is, we learned, true, the great story about the Cuban missile 0.99

00:09:24.740 crisis that you've been told, that Jack and Bobby faced down, tough Nikita Khrushchev who

00:09:31.320 agreed to remove the missiles.

00:09:32.740 That's not the whole story.

00:09:34.300 Fifty years later, when documents are declassified, we learned that they made a deal to remove NATO

00:09:40.000 missiles, our missiles, from Italy and Turkey, in return for a pledge by Castro to remove

00:09:46.400 the missiles from Cuba, which included no on-site inspections.

00:09:52.520 So the deep state, the military-industrial complex, they are very upset with John Kennedy.

00:10:00.120 Kennedy was supporting a silver dollar.

00:10:02.880 The banks didn't like that.

00:10:03.960 They didn't want silver back to money.

00:10:05.600 Big oil is furious because Kennedy is trying to repeal the oil depletion allowance, costing

00:10:13.320 them millions on taxes.

00:10:15.160 These are all of the entities who are—and organized crime, of course, shouldn't leave

00:10:20.620 them out.

00:10:21.560 Remember, Joe Kennedy got the mob to give $1 million to John Kennedy's race for president,

00:10:27.040 and in return, the Kennedy administration was supposed to drop deportation proceedings against

00:10:34.680 Santo Traficante, the mobster who ran Florida, and Carlos Marcello, who controlled the mob

00:10:42.240 in Johnson's, Texas, as well as in Louisiana.

00:10:46.640 After Kennedy was elected, Bobby becomes attorney general.

00:10:51.720 Joe Kennedy suffers a stroke, so he can no longer keep the deal.

00:10:55.220 And they go after both gangsters.

00:10:59.540 That is their motivation.

00:11:01.000 They are also involved in Kennedy's murder.

00:11:03.600 So what I expect that we're going to see here is the CIA piece.

00:11:07.840 That is what they're hiding.

00:11:09.680 But there are other things the government has that we need to know.

00:11:12.240 But just to get everything out of the CIA, I think that would be a significant achievement.

00:11:18.380 And the president's got to look at this more broadly.

00:11:20.920 I spoke to him the other day, and I said, this was great, getting all of the data regarding

00:11:27.360 all three assassinations, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Dr. King.

00:11:32.120 But I also told him he should release all documents pertaining to the attempted assassination

00:11:37.460 of Ronald Reagan.

00:11:38.920 The government's never given us a full report.

00:11:41.160 I'm writing a book on this subject now, because there are many, many anomalies that are hard to

00:11:46.980 understand.

00:11:47.960 If John Kennedy Jr. is always in front of Reagan shooting upwards, which he is, there's four

00:11:53.080 bullets, all of which are accounted for.

00:11:55.640 Reagan was shot from above and behind, as you will see.

00:11:59.120 So I'd like to get the government's records on this for my own selfish reasons.

00:12:03.060 I want to finish this book.

00:12:04.480 But there are many anomalies there.

00:12:07.140 The president told me that it was a good idea, and he would think about it.

00:12:09.560 I mean, there's still questions, too.

00:12:12.480 I see people recently, as soon as these files came out, asking about APEC and John F. Kennedy's

00:12:17.300 move to try to have them register as a foreign agent in the United States.

00:12:23.260 Plus his interest in the connections with Mossad and the nuclear program in Israel.

00:12:28.100 Exactly.

00:12:28.600 That's, I think, the real issue.

00:12:30.320 Israel wanted a nuke. 0.82

00:12:31.820 JFK did not want them to have the nuke.

00:12:34.400 Only days after Lyndon Johnson became president, they had approval to get the nuke.

00:12:39.820 To get the nukes.

00:12:40.520 It's remarkable.

00:12:41.500 It's remarkable how that happens.

00:12:42.820 And right now, they have the nuke.

00:12:44.220 And we pretend we don't know that they have the nuke.

00:12:46.660 I want to ask you, before we let you go, Roger, on Representative Luna, we just heard

00:12:49.800 from her pushing for this new JFK commission.

00:12:52.980 She says what she's seen clearly shows that there's two shooters.

00:12:56.720 First of all, do you trust the congresswoman on this piece?

00:12:59.260 And do you think this is going to be more whitewashing?

00:13:01.560 Or we'll get some actual answers from a House of Representatives commission?

00:13:04.900 I haven't seen the full context of what Congressman Luna said.

00:13:10.760 A week ago, she had a bill to add Donald Trump to Mount Rushmore, and I strongly support her

00:13:16.600 bill.

00:13:16.940 Let me say that first thing first.

00:13:19.720 Secondarily, the president said that he would appoint a commission to examine all of these

00:13:25.480 investigations.

00:13:26.520 And at the time, he rather implied that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would head such a commission,

00:13:30.880 although time-wise, even though Bobby's got a lot of energy, it'd be tough to be HHS secretary

00:13:36.200 and head such a commission.

00:13:38.140 But I think a commission's a very good idea.

00:13:40.100 We should look at all these presidential assassinations, including the ones in Butler, Pennsylvania,

00:13:45.440 and the one in West Palm Beach, as well as Reagan's, as I've discussed.

00:13:51.080 And we should make sure we're learning everything there is to know about JFK, RFK, and MLK.

00:13:56.760 Yeah, 100%.

00:13:59.080 And why stop there?

00:14:00.340 Let's go back to McKinley.

00:14:03.120 Let's go back to Abraham Lincoln, too.

00:14:06.060 You know, I mean, there's a lot of questions.

00:14:07.740 People don't realize this, but there was an attempt on Carter's life by Puerto Rican nationalists.

00:14:13.260 There was an attempt on Gerald Ford's life.

00:14:16.000 We were told by a member of the Manson family, that may actually be true. 0.90

00:14:20.180 There was an attempt on Nixon's life in Miami, which got very little coverage.

00:14:25.200 But you can find the documentation of it.

00:14:27.760 So every modern president has had attempts on their life.

00:14:31.560 When there's a FOIL assassination, I'm not sure the government has always told us about it.

00:14:38.980 And the involvement of the Secret Service in Trump's Butler, Pennsylvania, and Mar-a-Lago.

00:14:44.100 Roger Stone, great to see you, as always.

00:14:46.140 Good luck on the new book.

00:14:47.280 But the current book, if you want to grab it, let's put it up here on the screen,

00:14:49.880 is The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.

00:14:52.860 And we really, really sincerely hope we get some answers on this.

00:14:56.140 Roger, great to see you, as always.

00:14:57.980 Many, many thanks.

00:14:58.840 God bless you.

00:15:00.280 Well, ladies and gentlemen, Roger Stone always knocks it out of the park.

00:15:04.360 And you can best believe that he runs circles around people that are, you know, half his age,

00:15:09.560 even a quarter of his age.

00:15:11.480 I've seen it myself.

00:15:12.320 He's like the Energizer Bunny.

00:15:14.060 He never runs out of steam.

00:15:15.820 And this guy, Roger Stone, is somebody that I believe will go down in history as one of

00:15:20.780 the most effective patriotic Americans in the history of our country.

00:15:24.740 It's one of the great honors of my life to be on this show every day.

00:15:28.140 And I just love it.

00:15:29.600 So, folks, we have a lot of news to get into.

00:15:32.100 We have more from Roger coming up, so don't go anywhere.

00:15:34.440 But we have some news to get into.

00:15:37.060 We're going to start with Norm Eisen, who Roger has talked about.

00:15:41.200 He's one of the chief architects of the Russian collusion hoax.

00:15:44.320 Norm Eisen is also one of the chief architects of the impeachments of Donald Trump.

00:15:49.380 Norm Eisen is one of the orchestrators of Roger Stone's persecution.

00:15:54.320 And one of the main reasons that Roger had 29 heavily clad FBI agents storm into his home

00:16:00.520 and point guns at his wife, himself, and his lovely dogs, who we talk about here on The

00:16:05.620 Stone's Own all of the time.

00:16:07.500 So, Roger's life, the life of his family, has been threatened by people like Norm Eisen for

00:16:12.820 years now.

00:16:13.820 And now, Eisen, despite the American public sending a mandate to Washington, D.C. in November

00:16:20.840 of 2024, where Republicans won the House, the Senate, and the White House, and the national

00:16:26.680 popular vote.

00:16:27.880 Long gone are the days of Hillary Clinton objecting to the election results, claiming that the

00:16:32.980 electoral college is bogus.

00:16:34.600 Because the American people have awoken to a level where Republicans are now winning the

00:16:39.380 national popular vote.

00:16:40.560 And we should be clear, Trump Republicans are winning the national popular vote, as Trump

00:16:45.560 has pulled off a successful remake, a rebuild of the Republican Party, the likes we have never

00:16:51.940 seen.

00:16:52.720 Trump took the Republican Party from irrelevance.

00:16:55.940 Irrelevance with John McCain, and irrelevance with Mitt Romney.

00:16:59.200 And perpetual losses with people like George W. Bush, he took that party and turned it into

00:17:05.120 the party of the working man, the party of the electrician, the party of the plumber, the

00:17:10.420 party of the working man of this country, the working men and women of this country who work

00:17:16.400 so diligently hard to put food on the table for their children, to pay their taxes, to cover

00:17:21.960 their mortgage, to cover their ever-increasing prices for things like gasoline and groceries and

00:17:28.040 things like that.

00:17:29.140 So because of the accumulation of troubles that the American people have seen throughout

00:17:34.440 the Biden presidency, whether it be through prices or risk to their security or the border

00:17:40.700 overflowing, those risks prompted you, the American people, to go to the ballot box in

00:17:46.480 record numbers and to elect President Trump and Republicans.

00:17:50.880 And people like Norm Eisen simply can't stand that.

00:17:54.220 Because for years, people like Norm Eisen, people like Andrew Weissman, they've been able to

00:17:58.980 maneuver their way into controlling the outcome of events without actually receiving votes

00:18:05.220 from the people.

00:18:06.480 People like Norm Eisen, people like Andrew Weissman want to operate a shadow government in which

00:18:12.180 unelected bureaucrats get to push the whim and will of radical leftist MSNBC hosts like 1.00

00:18:20.000 Andrew Weissman and Jen Psaki and Joy Reid and Ari Melber and all these people.

00:18:28.060 Their version of a good government is a government that does exactly what people like Rachel Maddow

00:18:34.340 tell it to do.

00:18:35.560 And they can't stand the fact that the American people stood up to them and said, no more inflation,

00:18:41.560 no more wars, no more trouble for our people coming from our own country.

00:18:48.240 We're going to stand for America first.

00:18:51.080 We're going to do things for Americans and not against Americans, as people like Norm

00:18:56.460 Eisen have perpetrated for years.

00:18:58.920 Now Eisen is claiming that he's launching 100 lawsuits against President Trump.

00:19:03.700 So it only took two weeks, three weeks, a month for leftist people to get these lawsuits

00:19:10.420 engaged, where they're now going to be challenging President Trump.

00:19:13.580 And I outlined this on my show yesterday.

00:19:15.780 You're watching us here on Worldview 2.

00:19:17.380 You saw that the show just before this one, Lindsey Graham and others voted for a majority

00:19:24.540 of the federal judiciary appointments of Joe Biden, 235 federal judges, if you include the

00:19:32.060 Supreme Court justices and the appellate court justices and all these different people.

00:19:36.020 All of these individuals only got to that judiciary, the same people challenging President Trump

00:19:41.420 because Republican turncoats like Lindsey Graham, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins voted to confirm 0.90

00:19:48.200 these individuals, a travesty for our country that is now giving way to people like Norm

00:19:53.380 Eisen who attempt to use and abuse the judiciary to push their political will against the mandate

00:19:59.440 of the people, against Republican politics that have been cemented in Washington under President

00:20:05.260 Trump, under the America first agenda.

00:20:07.320 Let's go to Norm Eisen explaining how he's going to stop the will of the people.

00:20:10.760 And let's come back to it and tell the people why this is going to fail.

00:20:15.400 Here's what the other side looks like.

00:20:18.040 We are not the only nation that has had an autocratic takeover.

00:20:22.740 It happened in Poland.

00:20:24.180 It happened in Brazil.

00:20:25.560 It happened where I was ambassador, Czech Republic.

00:20:28.440 All three of those countries got to the other side.

00:20:31.340 They ousted autocratic regimes like Trump and Musk.

00:20:35.000 You know, there's always an oligarch. 0.77

00:20:37.260 Whenever you've got a dictator, you've got an oligarch by its side.

00:20:41.220 You've got a money bag, money bag.

00:20:43.880 How can we get to the other side like those countries did and not go the way of Hungary 0.99

00:20:50.780 or Turkey where they never got them out?

00:20:53.340 There's a thousand and one things you can do, but we've done a big study and we know

00:20:58.980 the seven things you must do.

00:21:01.380 And that's what we're working on.

00:21:02.620 Number one, defend the rule of law.

00:21:04.500 That's always what these dictators go for. 0.94

00:21:08.000 Number two, protect elections because that's how you kick them out. 0.97

00:21:12.120 Number three, you have to fight corruption.

00:21:15.240 Number four, protect pluralism and on and on.

00:21:18.540 There's a set of seven things.

00:21:19.940 And the lawsuits we're bringing, I'm planning a hundred this year, one hundred.

00:21:27.180 The lawsuits we're bringing are designed as part of that.

00:21:32.800 And they're starting to work because you can't do it in the courts of law alone.

00:21:36.820 You need the court of public opinion.

00:21:38.800 And what did we see this week in parallel with our Treasury lawsuit, that first Treasury

00:21:43.460 case?

00:21:44.400 Peaceful protesters for the first time starting to show up at the Treasury building around

00:21:49.200 the country.

00:21:50.140 Members of Congress for the first time starting to come to protests.

00:21:54.520 So you need that.

00:21:55.340 And even the press, so many others have bent the knee.

00:21:59.860 Too many corporate owners of press have bent the knee, kissed the ring, count out.

00:22:03.560 But the press is waking up.

00:22:04.940 I saw some tougher confrontations this week.

00:22:08.140 So you trigger that immune response of the body politic.

00:22:14.280 Wake up, democracy.

00:22:15.800 And that's what's on the other side, is an awakened democracy.

00:22:19.860 Donald Trump and Elon Musk, peaceful, Donald Trump and Elon Musk can't resist that.

00:22:24.920 And here's what he's describing, folks.

00:22:28.020 He's describing how the left manipulates the media and lies in order to push their agenda,

00:22:33.980 in order to get their stormtroopers out there, all riled up over things that really have

00:22:38.840 no effect on their lives.

00:22:40.620 This was exhibited during a recent appearance by Amy Klobuchar, who Roger funnily, you know,

00:22:46.500 hilariously says, combs her hair with buttered toast. 1.00

00:22:50.020 She was on a news channel, and she happened to claim that Trump was cutting cancer research.

00:22:56.000 Now, if you're sitting at home and you're watching the mainstream media, you're probably

00:22:58.560 saying, wow, it's terrible that Trump is cutting cancer research.

00:23:01.920 But he's not cutting cancer research, of course.

00:23:04.920 He didn't do that.

00:23:05.920 Just like so many of the things that these people claim that Elon Musk is cutting, oh,

00:23:10.400 he's cutting AIDS research.

00:23:11.620 No, he's not.

00:23:12.360 He's not cutting life-saving medications.

00:23:14.520 He's cutting things like LGBTQ propaganda in Bangladesh.

00:23:18.860 He's cutting things like Sesame Street for radical Muslims in Iraq.

00:23:24.180 He's cutting things that make no sense, and the American taxpayer have no reason to pay

00:23:29.600 for.

00:23:29.920 Now, if you want to get into semantics of it, should the United States taxpayer be forced

00:23:34.980 to pay for life-saving medications for people around the world?

00:23:38.840 Maybe the people should get to decide that.

00:23:40.860 Maybe people like Norm Eisen and people like Andrew Weissman shouldn't be the ones that

00:23:45.200 get to decide that.

00:23:46.380 Maybe the American people should get to decide that.

00:23:48.340 And we just had an election where we had the choice between a candidate who wanted to dole

00:23:52.580 out everybody's money to everyone on planet Earth, and somebody who said, look, we need

00:23:56.960 to cut.

00:23:57.700 We need to be more responsible.

00:23:59.320 And the people overwhelmingly elected the individual that said, let's cut.

00:24:04.140 So let's cut, folks.

00:24:05.940 The American people elected Republicans to cut, and the only thing the left can do is

00:24:12.600 lie about this and say, oh, they're cutting cancer research, just like they do every-

00:24:22.280 Republicans are cutting Medicaid, but it never happens.

00:24:26.120 Republicans are coming for your Social Security. 0.98

00:24:28.140 It's like a freaking blueprint. 0.98

00:24:29.780 They use it every single election cycle. 0.99

00:24:32.500 So let's roll Amy Klobuchar telling a flat-out lie about cancer research, truly disgusting. 1.00

00:24:39.560 You know that our policy of our government should not be giving $2 trillion in tax cuts

00:24:45.100 to the wealthiest and paying for it by cuts to cancer research at NIH, something that has

00:24:51.680 bipartisan support for years and years, or stopping Head Start, or freezing people who

00:24:57.780 are trying to protect our nuclear stockpile.

00:25:01.260 I know they are, but what I'm saying is, at some point, the pressure is on them.

00:25:06.700 You know, it's just unbelievable, folks. 0.90

00:25:09.340 Amy Klobuchar is disgusting, and they're not cutting cancer research. 1.00

00:25:13.100 I mean, they're just not doing it. 0.91

00:25:14.300 It's not happening.

00:25:15.280 And, you know, we talked about, on this show, the effects that the NIH has had, whether it

00:25:21.100 be on their animal studies, where they put a dog into a torture device, where its face

00:25:26.560 is fed on by fleas for hours at a time until it's dead.

00:25:30.140 That's not studying anything.

00:25:32.480 That's torture.

00:25:33.820 And these people have gotten away with this.

00:25:35.720 You know, we talk about so much about what the left wants to do.

00:25:39.300 If they are given the chance, what they would like to do.

00:25:42.160 We saw a little bit of it during Biden's presidency, because they had some power.

00:25:46.320 But, you know, now that Trump is back in power, things are a little different.

00:25:50.660 And we're starting to see the left kind of bemoan Trump in the same breath, you know, kind

00:25:59.000 of admire authoritarian countries in Europe that have taken strong stands against free

00:26:04.440 speech.

00:26:05.380 And it's important to highlight this, because the people in America that are celebrating

00:26:10.580 Germany and others for cracking down on free speech are the same people that want to silence

00:26:15.540 their political opposition in this country. 0.98

00:26:17.780 We have a video that I want to play of Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project, a real scumbag, 0.93

00:26:24.260 attacking President Trump and attacking America and saying that Germany has better free speech 0.97

00:26:31.340 than the United States.

00:26:32.640 And then we have a clip to play right after that.

00:26:34.880 We'll play them back to back of German police conducting a raid over a meme.

00:26:40.300 Yeah, that's right.

00:26:40.800 In Germany, you can actually go to jail for posting something online that the administration

00:26:46.260 in power doesn't like, something that the Biden administration put into, you know, a little

00:26:51.080 bit of practice.

00:26:51.920 And Kamala Harris was really keen on doing herself.

00:26:54.620 So let's roll those clips. 0.98

00:26:56.260 Lying Rick Wilson at it again. 0.96

00:26:58.540 He has nothing but lies. 0.88

00:26:59.780 He has to lie. 0.92

00:27:00.700 Let's roll it.

00:27:01.180 I communicated with somebody from the German CSU a little while ago.

00:27:05.720 I asked her what she thought about what had happened with Vance.

00:27:09.560 And the degree to which they were shocked and appalled and offended that Vance came there

00:27:14.600 daring to lecture Germany, one of the most free countries on Earth when it comes to expression,

00:27:19.180 where America is now rated 55th in the world on freedom of expression, was appalling.

00:27:25.900 And it was insulting.

00:27:26.920 Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?

00:27:29.620 Yes.

00:27:30.380 Yes, it is.

00:27:31.380 And it's a crime to insult them online as well?

00:27:34.160 Yes.

00:27:34.780 The fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the Internet.

00:27:40.080 Why?

00:27:40.860 Because in the Internet, it stays there.

00:27:43.840 If we are talking face to face, you insult me, I insult you, okay, finish.

00:27:48.040 But if you're in the Internet, if I insult you or a politician.

00:27:51.520 That sticks around forever.

00:27:52.860 Yeah.

00:27:54.160 The prosecutors explain German law also prohibits the spread of malicious gossip, violent threats

00:28:00.540 and fake quotes.

00:28:01.480 If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime?

00:28:10.760 In the case of reposting, it is a crime as well because the reader can't distinguish whether you just invented this or just reposted it.

00:28:19.420 That's the same for us.

00:28:20.340 The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time for repeat offenders.

00:28:26.160 And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. 0.96

00:28:28.880 Rick Wilson, a disgusting liar, and the pedophilia at the Lincoln Project needs to be investigated. 0.93

00:28:34.480 I think we need to see some indictments as far as that's concerned. 0.95

00:28:37.900 And I guarantee you that there was at least a little bit of knowledge about some of the stuff that was going on there

00:28:43.020 on behalf of some of these people in leadership at the Lincoln Project.

00:28:47.280 Just disgusting.

00:28:48.760 We know what they are, though.

00:28:50.320 So, folks, I'm going to introduce this video.

00:28:52.340 This is a legendary clip.

00:28:53.600 It's a little bit of a throwback from a few years ago, but we talk about it here during the intro every day,

00:28:58.000 and I thought it would be nice to see it.

00:29:00.460 Roger will be back with us in the saddle tomorrow, folks.

00:29:03.720 I want to encourage you, wherever you're watching the show, Rumble, X, wherever, give us a follow, give us a like, leave a comment,

00:29:10.760 and we will see you back in the saddle tomorrow, Roger and I.

00:29:14.920 I'm going to introduce you to this clip.

00:29:16.580 This is Roger at the Cambridge Union, a major event from just a few years ago.

00:29:22.720 And watching this, you really get the sense of Roger's futuristic vision.

00:29:27.580 One of the main things that impresses me about Roger is that he's a guy that's experienced so much in his life,

00:29:32.700 and it would be so easy for him to sit there and just think about what he used to do in all the times with Nixon and Reagan and all this.

00:29:39.740 But he's also, instead of doing that, he is 100% focused on the future.

00:29:45.340 He is 100% focused on tomorrow and not yesterday.

00:29:48.660 And when you listen to him in this clip, you get the sense that this is a guy who understood where things were going long before they got there.

00:29:55.660 And Roger is prophetic as always.

00:29:58.300 So God bless you guys.

00:29:59.540 I will see you tomorrow in the Stone Zone.

00:30:01.580 Enjoy this clip.

00:30:02.800 Peace.

00:30:03.240 Good evening, everyone, and thank you very much for coming to this really exciting new addition to our term card.

00:30:20.580 As some of you may know, Roger J. Stone is an American political consultant and lobbyist with a decade-long career advising some of America's most well-known politicians and presidents, whether you like them or not.

00:30:34.080 Now, he's most famed for being a recent advisor to Donald Trump, the current U.S. president, and was the subject of an incredible documentary called Get Me Roger Stone, which is on Netflix.

00:30:43.560 And I watched it before this, and it is really interesting, so do watch it.

00:30:46.820 However, without further ado, please welcome Roger Stone.

00:30:54.240 Thank you.

00:31:03.180 Thank you very much.

00:31:05.280 First of all, let me thank the Cambridge Union Society for your commitment to free speech and free expression and debate.

00:31:13.140 I am delighted to be here.

00:31:15.120 As you know, this is, you probably know, this is the end of a tour for me.

00:31:20.620 I will return to the United States on Sunday.

00:31:23.320 But I am delighted that you invited me, and I am delighted to be here.

00:31:27.720 I understand my friend General Flynn has been invited and may come along shortly.

00:31:32.460 And I understand that my good friend, Anthony Scaramucci, was just here.

00:31:38.220 And although you may judge him more articulate than I, I am taller than he is.

00:31:43.700 So, I am painfully aware of the four stages of fame, those being who is Roger Stone, get me a Roger Stone, get me a Roger Stone type, who is Roger Stone.

00:32:02.760 So, we are in the middle of that cycle, perhaps.

00:32:06.420 I have had the great honor of working for, in ten presidential campaigns, nine of them for Republicans, one of them for the Libertarian Party nominee, Governor Gary Johnson, in 2012.

00:32:21.700 I, although I am a former young Republican national chairman, my commitment was to the old Republican Party of Barry Goldwater.

00:32:32.700 That is a party of limited government, a party that is out of the bedroom and out of the boardroom, a party that supported privacy rights, that supported limited regulation in your private life, low taxes.

00:32:49.840 A strong national defense, as opposed to the neocon model of going around the world looking for trouble and inserting yourself in situations in which your inherent national interest is not clear.

00:33:04.180 Like Donald Trump, I'm a non-interventionist.

00:33:07.440 I opposed the war in Iraq.

00:33:09.920 I am opposed to the war in Afghanistan today.

00:33:13.520 It disappoints me that we are still there.

00:33:15.960 I think we should also be out of Syria. 0.99

00:33:18.740 So, I am a Libertarian Republican in the Goldwater mold.

00:33:25.220 I was asked last night at the Durham Union, if Trump had not run, which of the other Republicans would I have supported?

00:33:33.380 The answer is none of them.

00:33:35.000 I would have supported the Libertarian Party candidate, Governor Johnson, yet again, who I worked for in 2012 and who I helped to get on the ballot in 48 of the 50 states.

00:33:48.740 Like Governor Johnson, I'm a supporter of same-sex marriage, I'm a supporter of the legalization of marijuana.

00:33:55.220 And though I am most certainly an admirer of my original political mentor, Richard Nixon, I think the war on drugs was his greatest, most ignominious failure of policy mistake.

00:34:09.700 So, I'm somewhat different than your average Republican.

00:34:14.700 Given all of those presidential campaigns, I must tell you that the 2016 campaign of Donald Trump, to me, kind of violated every single rule that I know and have trained to employ in politics.

00:34:32.700 Donald Trump was successfully elected without ever spending any money on sophisticated polling or focus group research or analytic targeting.

00:34:47.700 He held his own in three debates without ever preparing for any of those debates.

00:34:54.700 There is no Karl Rove in Trump land.

00:34:59.700 He is very much his own man.

00:35:01.700 He is very much a free spirit.

00:35:04.700 He is very much his own strategist, his own speechwriter, his own phrase maker, his own tweet master.

00:35:12.700 What you see is what you get.

00:35:17.700 It was his campaign.

00:35:18.700 It was his strategy.

00:35:20.700 That is why the notion that my friend Steve Bannon would call himself chief strategist was a little misleading because the strategy, at least the issues on which Trump was elected, immigration, trade, the economy, and so on, were determined long before Steve Bannon joined the Trump entourage.

00:35:41.700 And they were determined by one man.

00:35:44.700 So he is unlike any other career politician that I have ever worked for.

00:35:51.700 He is not out of a cookie cutter.

00:35:53.700 He is not somebody who has a wet finger in the wind trying to figure out what to say to be popular.

00:36:00.700 There is no question that in the campaign, I think he would admit this, that he made mistakes, but his opponent's performance was so robotic and so programmed, so scripted, that even when Trump made a mistake, it kind of demonstrated that he was authentic, that he was genuine, that he was like a man working without a net.

00:36:22.700 It is also why he drove these enormous television ratings, why his opponents, at least in the Republican primaries, complained that they weren't getting equal coverage.

00:36:32.700 The problem was they had nothing interesting to say.

00:36:36.700 People tuned in because they had no idea what he might say, and either did we, and therefore it was entertaining.

00:36:43.700 You never knew what he might say or where he might go.

00:36:48.700 And politics is about being interesting.

00:36:53.700 The only thing worse in politics than being wrong is being boring, trying to write out a lead, trying to say nothing to offend the smallest number of people.

00:37:03.700 That is almost always a losing strategy.

00:37:07.700 Politics is about engaging people with ideas and trying to generate support on the basis of simply understood ideas.

00:37:18.700 And I think Trump grasps that also.

00:37:22.700 Politics these days in the age of mass media is about imagery.

00:37:27.700 It's about impression.

00:37:29.700 Reporters always say, well, why don't you run more issue-oriented campaigns? 0.98

00:37:34.700 Why don't you put out more issue white papers?

00:37:36.700 Well, the problem is nobody reads them, no one covers them.

00:37:39.700 The mainstream media, the alternative media, nobody writes about them because they're dry and they're boring.

00:37:45.700 2016 marked the end of the monopoly on political discourse by the three television networks in the United States,

00:37:54.700 and then later the two cable news networks, and the fact that more than half of the people use the internet,

00:38:03.700 go through the internet to get their political news, indeed all their news, gave rise to a vibrant alternative media.

00:38:12.700 Left, right and center.

00:38:14.700 And it took power away from the old media, the television network media.

00:38:21.700 One manifestation of this that's very interesting is men and women would come to me wanting to run for public office, run for Congress, run for the Senate, run for governor.

00:38:33.700 And they were attractive, they were articulate, they were qualified, but they couldn't raise money and they had no personal wealth.

00:38:40.700 And you had to be honest with them that when network advertising, when cable advertising were the main medium for communicating with the voters,

00:38:49.700 if you could not pay for those things, it was very hard to win.

00:38:53.700 Therefore, either people of great wealth got elected to office or people who could tap into special interests and other networks to raise millions of dollars.

00:39:03.700 The internet has changed all of that.

00:39:06.700 The ability to geo-target people, not only in terms of their geography, district in this case, or their interests,

00:39:15.700 allows a person of modest means who can raise a more modest amount of money to effectively run for office and target voters in a way with maximum efficiency.

00:39:26.700 And this, I think, opens the door to a much broader cross-section of candidates.

00:39:32.700 That is a very positive development.

00:39:35.700 What I don't think is a positive development now is the fact that having had this election result,

00:39:41.700 some of the tech giants are seeking to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

00:39:46.700 Why should Facebook decide what news we see?

00:39:49.700 We should decide what news we see.

00:39:52.700 Why do they manipulate the logarithms?

00:39:55.700 Why do they shadow ban you?

00:39:57.700 Why do they censor, in some cases completely close out some people?

00:40:03.700 Yes, I've been banned for life on Twitter, but don't bet on it because early this year I will sue them.

00:40:11.700 I think there are First Amendment rights.

00:40:14.700 I think there are antitrust questions.

00:40:16.700 I think there are service contract questions.

00:40:19.700 I'm against censorship.

00:40:20.700 Everybody should have a voice.

00:40:22.700 I don't care if you're the most extreme left-wing Democrat or the most extreme right-wing Republican.

00:40:27.700 Everybody should have a voice.

00:40:29.700 I believe in the good sense of the voters to sort out what they believe and what they don't believe,

00:40:34.700 but I believe people should decide for themselves,

00:40:37.700 not have someone else decide what they can read and not read.

00:40:41.700 This, I think, is the great challenge that we face,

00:40:46.700 to have continued debate and have everybody have access to the new media.

00:40:52.700 But it is interesting to me that in the election, particularly in the primary phase, in the nomination phase,

00:41:00.700 the cable news networks built Trump up, not because they were pro-Trump,

00:41:05.700 but because he was good for their ratings.

00:41:07.700 And when their ratings go up, they can charge more for commercial advertising.

00:41:12.700 And I think also, once he was nominated, they began to try to tear him down.

00:41:19.700 It's also true, to a certain extent, that even in the new media, he was disadvantaged.

00:41:24.700 How could it be that Google would classify a press release from the Trump campaign as a promotion,

00:41:31.700 but a press release from the Hillary Clinton campaign as an update?

00:41:35.700 That's the difference between the opens of millions and millions of individual voters.

00:41:41.700 So it's an example of the unfair advantage.

00:41:45.700 When you look at this from the point of view of money,

00:41:49.700 because Trump won not only without benefit of polling or analytics or focus groups or survey research,

00:41:55.700 he also won without the benefit of massive doses of paid network and cable television advertising.

00:42:02.700 Unheard of in American politics.

00:42:05.700 So that is a shock to the political system, something that no one saw coming.

00:42:12.700 I believe, best guess that I can figure, and it's a little bit of a rough estimate,

00:42:19.700 Trump and his supporters, meaning outside organizations supporting Trump,

00:42:23.700 probably spent about $275 million.

00:42:27.700 Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee,

00:42:30.700 and groups supporting her, spent close to $2 billion,

00:42:36.700 most of it on the old media.

00:42:38.700 And therefore, as it turns out, most of it wasted.

00:42:42.700 How then did we get to a situation in October

00:42:45.700 in which every poll virtually showed that she would win and he would lose?

00:42:50.700 Well, in most cases I think that was an honest mistake,

00:42:53.700 meaning many of the pollsters, most I would say,

00:42:57.700 were basing what they thought would be the makeup of the electorate on the last election.

00:43:04.700 They assumed that the makeup of the electorate would be similar to the makeup in the Obama-Romney race

00:43:10.700 four years previously, and that Hillary Clinton would get the same percentage of vote among African Americans, 1.00

00:43:16.700 among union members, among women, and so on.

00:43:19.700 That was never realistic.

00:43:22.700 And in fact, the electorate looked quite different than what they expected.

00:43:27.700 So this was a sampling error.

00:43:29.700 It was not a willful error.

00:43:31.700 They weren't, although in a few cases you would find some pollsters would oversample Democrats,

00:43:37.700 which would pad her lead a little bit, but by and large it was an honest but inadvertent error

00:43:44.700 because it didn't recognize that the volatility of the race and the coverage of the race

00:43:50.700 would change voter turnout and would render their model obsolete.

00:43:56.700 I thought that on the Friday before the election I was pretty confident Trump would run,

00:44:02.700 but I was looking at polling from the state Republican parties

00:44:05.700 because Trump himself was paying for no polling.

00:44:08.700 We had nothing to go on.

00:44:10.700 But you could see directionally, because a poll is a snapshot in time,

00:44:16.700 it's really only good for the episecond in which it's taken,

00:44:19.700 and it's almost immediately outdated.

00:44:22.700 So you had to look for the direction, and to the extent that you can,

00:44:27.700 you look at several surveys of the same subset of voters taken over time

00:44:32.700 to see whether your candidate is going up, whether your candidate is going down,

00:44:36.700 whether the undecided is growing, whether the undecided is shrinking,

00:44:40.700 and the relative position of your opponent.

00:44:43.700 Since the election, which was such an extraordinary shock to the elites of both parties

00:44:51.700 and to the two-party duopoly that has run the country,

00:44:55.700 we've seen a number of efforts to delegitimize Trump's election and his presidency.

00:45:01.700 But before you even get there, the enormous advantages of the Democrats in this race

00:45:10.700 and the financial advantage that I just spoke of, we went through several different steps.

00:45:18.700 First, there was the request for a recount.

00:45:22.700 This kind of tickled me because I wrote an article for The Hill newspaper

00:45:27.700 about two weeks before the election in which I expressed concern

00:45:31.700 that these computerized voting machines, which are very simple and rudimentary computers,

00:45:37.700 are very easily hacked and manipulated.

00:45:39.700 You can get a $15 device at Best Buy, and it allows you to manipulate the results of the machines.

00:45:48.700 There are a number of studies where they took machine results

00:45:51.700 and then compared them to actual live exit polling,

00:45:55.700 and the swing would indicate that the machines had probably been tampered with.

00:45:59.700 And I was trashed after I wrote this article.

00:46:03.700 I was considered irresponsible.

00:46:05.700 I was undermining democracy.

00:46:07.700 It was an impossibility.

00:46:09.700 Yet when Hillary Clinton filed for recounts in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Pennsylvania, 0.68

00:46:16.700 the reason for her request for recounts was,

00:46:20.700 well, these computerized voting machines are easily manipulated.

00:46:25.700 A little hypocrisy there.

00:46:27.700 The recount, as you know, didn't work.

00:46:29.700 In fact, what we found out was that Trump won by slightly larger margins

00:46:34.700 than originally thought on election night.

00:46:36.700 Then there was a request by John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign,

00:46:41.700 that the electors be briefed on Russian collusion.

00:46:45.700 Well, that would have been a very brief briefing because there is to this day still no hard evidence

00:46:51.700 of actual collusion, conspiracy, coordination with the Russian state

00:46:57.700 or actors working for the Russian state that affected the outcome of this election.

00:47:02.700 Then we have the Mueller inquiry, which seems to be imploding before our very eyes.

00:47:10.700 On the way here, I was following the news and the release of the memo in the U.S. House of Representatives,

00:47:17.700 in which I have a personal interest because I am among those who was placed under surveillance.

00:47:24.700 My constitutional rights were violated on the basis of a fabricated dossier

00:47:31.700 that said Donald Trump dallied with prostitutes in Russia when he was there in Moscow for a beauty passion,

00:47:37.700 which he didn't. And the genesis of that was partisan.

00:47:41.700 It was first paid for by a Republican hedge fund king,

00:47:45.700 then paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton,

00:47:51.700 and then later paid for a third time by the FBI.

00:47:54.700 One thing you can say for Christopher Steele, he's pretty smart.

00:47:57.700 He sold the same information three times to three different clients.

00:48:00.700 But it wasn't true, and it was never disclosed to the FISA court,

00:48:06.700 which ultimately, on the second go-round, allowed the surveillance of Trump and his associates.

00:48:12.700 Let's think about that for a moment.

00:48:14.700 We use the power and the authority of the state to spy on one of the two major candidates for president.

00:48:21.700 That is a gross abuse of power, abuse of authority.

00:48:27.700 Watergate pales in comparison because no one was ever actually bugged,

00:48:33.700 and whatever these guys did was done outside the confines of government.

00:48:38.700 In fact, Nixon's greatest mistake was trying to run foreign policy outside the confines of government.

00:48:46.700 But it is probably why, as president, he was able to reach a strategic arms limitation agreement with the Soviets,

00:48:54.700 open the door to China, which the foreign policy, the State Department, his NSA were deeply opposed to,

00:49:01.700 save Israel in the Yom Kippur War of 1973 by airlifting lethal aid

00:49:07.700 when the Israelis had their back against the wall under attack by the Syrians and the Egyptians. 0.77

00:49:13.700 All of that because he went outside the foreign policy structure of the government

00:49:19.700 because he feared that it leaked, which it does.

00:49:24.700 So, this is unfolding before our very eyes.

00:49:27.700 Where it ends up, I do not know.

00:49:29.700 I do think that, and I've said this, that Mr. Mueller doesn't have evidence of Russian collusion,

00:49:36.700 not enough to bring a charge, so he appears to be back to focusing on the termination of Mr. Comey,

00:49:42.700 Mr. Comey, who I think is being revealed today as the epically corrupt FBI director,

00:49:47.700 or the termination of General Flynn, who hopefully you can hear from shortly, in a few weeks.

00:49:53.700 And perhaps he hopes to euchre the president in some process crime, obstruction of justice or perjury,

00:50:01.700 but not in relation to Russian collusion, in relation to those terminations.

00:50:06.700 I don't know how that works, other than to say, I don't believe that Mr. Mueller can indict a sitting president.

00:50:15.700 I think he can issue a report.

00:50:17.700 That report would then go to the Justice Department.

00:50:20.700 The Justice Department could send it to the Congress.

00:50:23.700 The Congress could vote articles of impeachment in the House,

00:50:27.700 although it's unlikely to do so under this House.

00:50:30.700 It's still possible.

00:50:31.700 But if we have a change of the House in the next election, that's a possibility.

00:50:37.700 But a lot of my Republican friends are wringing their hands assuming that the House will be lost.

00:50:44.700 I don't know that that's true.

00:50:45.700 We have two million new jobs.

00:50:47.700 We have the stock market at record levels.

00:50:49.700 We have African-American and Hispanic unemployment now hitting record lows,

00:50:55.700 the lowest since we've been tabulating them.

00:50:57.700 Overall unemployment at a record low.

00:51:00.700 Massive corporations like Apple coming back into the country, repatriating funds there,

00:51:07.700 announcing a $350 million expansion.

00:51:13.700 Things are economically looking up.

00:51:17.700 So what was the perfect storm that allowed for the election of a Donald Trump,

00:51:23.700 a most improbable and unlikely president?

00:51:26.700 I would argue that the two major parties working together and the elites of those parties

00:51:32.700 had produced a record of endless foreign war in which our national interests were not clear.

00:51:39.700 Erosion of our civil liberties, the reading of our email, the reading of our text messages,

00:51:44.700 the collection of metadata.

00:51:47.700 General Clapper, who was the National Security Advisor under Obama, testified in the Congress

00:51:52.700 that there was no metadata collection program.

00:51:55.700 It didn't exist until Edward Snowden proved that he was a liar and that he'd perjured himself.

00:52:01.700 Now he's teaching ethics at Vermont College.

00:52:06.700 We also had massive debt and spending and borrowing, which my grandson will pay for,

00:52:13.700 and his children and his children's children.

00:52:16.700 We have trade agreements that we were promised by the Bushes and the Clintons individually,

00:52:23.700 NAFTA and so on, that would be the panacea, but which had the exact opposite effect,

00:52:29.700 pulling all the jobs out of the country, making the center part of our country, the Rust Belt, desolate.

00:52:37.700 We also had immigration policies that cheat the people who are waiting in line,

00:52:43.700 who have gone through the process to obtain their citizenship

00:52:46.700 and seem to reward those who are there illegally.

00:52:49.700 We have no path to citizenship for those who want to become citizens. 1.00

00:52:53.700 The Congress has failed to deal with this again and again and again.

00:52:57.700 I think there is, without any question, an opportunity on the table to compromise,

00:53:04.700 keep the DREAMER program, increase border security on the southern border.

00:53:08.700 Yes, a wall, if you will.

00:53:11.700 That deal can be done today.

00:53:13.700 I think the President's willing.

00:53:14.700 I think it's the Democrats who aren't serious about it.

00:53:17.700 But I'm still hopeful.

00:53:19.700 And then, of course, a stagnant economy.

00:53:22.700 Anyway, taxes so high that they remove the incentive for expansion.

00:53:27.700 Tax policies that cause the biggest companies to leave town, to get outside the country

00:53:33.700 because it's cheaper to do business there and more profitable.

00:53:36.700 Trump's plan to change the tax laws, what they call inversion,

00:53:44.700 bringing these companies back in the country now to expand in the United States,

00:53:49.700 to hire in the United States is a step in the right direction.

00:53:52.700 The overall cut in the tax rate for all businesses, big and small,

00:53:56.700 which has not even yet gained traction, I think will turbocharge the economy.

00:54:01.700 And a rising tide lifts all boats.

00:54:04.700 But at the same time, the President said in his address,

00:54:08.700 which I was very heartened by, that he has a plan to rebuild our cities.

00:54:12.700 That he has a plan to rebuild our urban cities and we're going to try it in Detroit.

00:54:16.700 Step in the right direction.

00:54:17.700 Step in the right direction.

00:54:18.700 He promised that in the campaign, but then he also promised to get us out of Afghanistan.

00:54:22.700 And I'm disappointed that we appear to be going deeper in rather than winding down.

00:54:27.700 We appear to be winding up.

00:54:29.700 I don't think that's a wise policy.

00:54:32.700 But you cannot judge a presidency in just one year.

00:54:36.700 The economic news is good.

00:54:38.700 There is a sharp increase in the job approval by the President.

00:54:42.700 The tone of his address was, in my opinion, correct.

00:54:46.700 It was conciliatory and uplifting without abandoning his core issues.

00:54:52.700 So, if we get to the 2018 election and Trump and the Republicans are running on jobs and prosperity

00:54:59.700 and the Democrats are running on impeachment, I think they will lose.

00:55:03.700 I think you have to run on a positive program.

00:55:05.700 You just can't say, vote for us because we hate Trump.

00:55:08.700 You have to say, vote for us because here's our alternative program to what Trump proposes.

00:55:13.700 Yet, the Democrats have not yet put forward such a program.

00:55:17.700 There's certainly time.

00:55:18.700 It is always a mistake to judge the outcome of an election that's 11 months away.

00:55:25.700 Or 10.

00:55:27.700 Even today, I get questions about the President's re-election.

00:55:31.700 Impossible to determine.

00:55:33.700 We don't know who the candidates will be.

00:55:35.700 We don't know what the burning issue in the country will be.

00:55:38.700 We don't know what the state of the economy will be.

00:55:41.700 We don't know what's going to happen between now and then.

00:55:43.700 I do believe, and I said this in Durham, that the most likely Democratic nominee, who I

00:55:52.700 believe will be very strong and very formidable, would be Michelle Obama.

00:55:57.700 The Obamas are more popular at the base of the Democratic Party than the Clintons ever

00:56:02.700 were.

00:56:03.700 Obama within his party is still a rock star.

00:56:06.700 His standings in the American public are still relatively strong.

00:56:09.700 He, too, is polarizing, but his wife is an accomplished attorney.

00:56:13.700 She is well-spoken.

00:56:15.700 She is stepping up her speaking engagements, I notice.

00:56:18.700 Yes, I think she will be the Democratic nominee.

00:56:21.700 A hunch, but I think she'll be a strong and formidable candidate if she chooses to run. 0.99

00:56:27.700 On the other hand, look for a spate of billionaires in both parties with future aspirations,

00:56:34.700 because, to them, the Trump election means you don't have to be a career politician to

00:56:38.700 get elected president.

00:56:40.700 Businessmen and women are going to look at this and think about running themselves. 1.00

00:56:44.700 That's why the notion of Oprah Winfrey is not a ridiculous idea at all.

00:56:49.700 She has one of the great advantages that Trump had, universal name ID.

00:56:53.700 Everyone knows who she is. 0.99

00:56:55.700 She has a very substantial following in the country.

00:56:57.700 She's indicated she's not going to run.

00:56:59.700 I think that's probably right, but she could if she wanted to, and she would be viable, 0.80

00:57:05.700 because the pop culture now is more important than career political experience,

00:57:10.700 and, in fact, given the track record and the results of government over the last 30 years,

00:57:15.700 political experience may be a negative if you're tied to the failed policies of the past.

00:57:21.700 Yeah, I'm a, you know, I'm kind of a cynic.

00:57:24.700 I think no one party could have screwed America up this much by themselves.

00:57:28.700 It took two parties working together to get us where we are,

00:57:31.700 and to create a dynamic in which an outsider, a business person,

00:57:35.700 somebody with an outside personality,

00:57:37.700 but someone who became well-known through a network television show,

00:57:42.700 15 seasons of The Apprentice.

00:57:44.700 Now, I know elites will say, oh, that's entertainment, that's reality TV.

00:57:50.700 Voters don't see it that way. They see impressions.

00:57:53.700 They see the news, and they think that's fiction.

00:57:56.700 They don't distinguish. It's all one.

00:57:59.700 That's why I sometimes say politics is show business for ugly people. 1.00

00:58:04.700 In any event, I think you have a dynamic in which the changes are by no means permanent.

00:58:12.700 I was asked by the student press earlier about this shift in the industrial states,

00:58:19.700 Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and the fact that Trump ran marginally better,

00:58:24.700 marginally better among blue-collar Union Catholic members,

00:58:29.700 marginally better among African-American voters.

00:58:31.700 The difference between 11 and 16 percent, 11 and 14 percent, it's a small number,

00:58:36.700 but when you only win by 10,000 votes statewide, it's a significant number.

00:58:41.700 Those changes are not permanent.

00:58:43.700 They'll be based on results.

00:58:45.700 If Trump produces results, he can lock in those gains and maybe forge a new political coalition,

00:58:51.700 and if he doesn't, things can swing back the other way.

00:58:55.700 Nothing is permanent.

00:58:56.700 Other than to say, I think that Trump has identified a populist movement that is bigger than Trump himself,

00:59:06.700 I think the Brexit vote in your country reflects the same populist movement,

00:59:11.700 a feeling that government is not listening to people, a feeling that they are being taken advantage of,

00:59:17.700 and a rejection of the surrender of our sovereignty, a rejection of globalism and the idea of world government.

00:59:25.700 I think that trend is the same, but when you criticize it, the answer you get back is censorship.

00:59:32.700 You need to be censored.

00:59:34.700 Well, I don't obviously agree with that.

00:59:37.700 I appreciate being with you tonight.

00:59:39.700 I will be more than happy to take your questions.

00:59:42.700 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people love him.

00:59:51.700 Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.

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