The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


Sam Antar ｜ 04-18-25


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Letitia James is New York s first female attorney general. She has been charged with fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud, but she claims she never actually moved into a Virginia property on which she sought a loan. But what does that mean for her case? And is she lying about it?

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00:00:47.940 As promised, we are focusing on the recent development in which William Pulte,
00:00:53.580 who is the head of the Federal Home Finance Agency,
00:00:58.000 has made a criminal referral to the U.S. Justice Department of New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:01:07.200 Mr. Pulte's letter of referral seems largely to be based on the research of a gentleman named Sam E. Antar.
00:01:15.880 Sam E. Antar is a former certified public accountant who's had a very interesting career trajectory.
00:01:23.500 As a former chief financial officer of Crazy Eddie, you may remember them,
00:01:28.660 a major consumer electronics chain in the Northeast,
00:01:31.640 Mr. E. Antar was a key figure in one of the decade's largest security fraud schemes.
00:01:36.800 After his conviction, he paid his debt to society.
00:01:41.220 Mr. Antar redirected his expertise towards forensic accounting,
00:01:45.980 leveraging his firsthand knowledge of financial fraud to help combat it.
00:01:50.240 He has helped government agencies, law enforcement organizations, law firms and accounting firms,
00:01:55.940 and independent investment research firms ferret out fraud.
00:02:00.060 He has a very lively website, whitecollarfraud.com, where he posts the actual documents that back up everything he has claimed.
00:02:11.300 Sam E. Antar, welcome to the Stone Zone.
00:02:14.480 Thank you, Roger, for having me on the air.
00:02:16.760 So, in this most recent development, as you know, among those claims is that Letitia James,
00:02:25.100 only last year, August of 2023, just weeks before putting President Donald Trump on trial in the so-called valuation trial,
00:02:35.440 Letitia James signed a document with the mortgage company, a sworn document,
00:02:39.840 in which she attested that she would move into a Virginia property on which she was seeking a mortgage 0.68
00:02:48.560 within 60 days of the execution and closing of that mortgage.
00:02:54.720 There's two problems with that.
00:02:57.240 If she indeed did move to Virginia, as she said she was going to,
00:03:02.520 well, under New York state law and the New York state constitution,
00:03:05.120 she would not be eligible to be New York state attorney general,
00:03:09.720 and actually, upon her leaving the state, the office would be immediately vacated.
00:03:14.300 Or, if she signed claiming that she would move but didn't move,
00:03:18.200 or I think we understand that she didn't,
00:03:20.280 well, then she committed fraud by signing this document. 1.00
00:03:24.580 Now, she has defended herself claiming that in a separate document,
00:03:29.820 she said she wasn't going to live in the property,
00:03:33.320 and she further said that the mortgage did not require her to do so.
00:03:41.620 So, who's right and who's wrong here?
00:03:43.980 Are you right, Sam?
00:03:45.460 Do the documents deceive us, or is she lying?
00:03:50.160 She's lying, and I'll explain to you why.
00:03:52.100 First of all, the sworn declaration that she had written,
00:03:58.640 which was also, by the way, witnessed by Jennifer Levy,
00:04:02.080 who headed the investigation into Trump,
00:04:04.660 who was signed in her own office.
00:04:06.960 Okay?
00:04:07.260 That sworn declaration rules because that's the document
00:04:11.200 that was filed with the mortgage.
00:04:13.780 If there's another piece of paper, that only makes the case worse
00:04:17.460 because assuming that piece of paper exists, okay,
00:04:21.160 and we haven't seen it, nobody's produced it,
00:04:23.680 the New York Times didn't even produce them,
00:04:25.500 they said they got it, okay,
00:04:27.280 assuming that piece of paper exists,
00:04:29.320 it adds to another level of inconsistent disclosures that she's made.
00:04:33.780 At the end of the day, the mortgage was unruly
00:04:36.360 based upon her and her co-borrower both occupying the property.
00:04:41.660 Now, she didn't occupy the property, 0.54
00:04:44.200 and she claims her niece occupied the property.
00:04:46.680 Still not good.
00:04:47.740 Both parties had to occupy the property.
00:04:51.380 That is the way the loan was underwritten, period.
00:04:56.200 Listen to Leticia James herself, 1.00
00:04:58.340 because I want to make sure we get this completely right.
00:05:00.120 Listen to the attorney general.
00:05:01.860 Let me just say to all New Yorkers and to all Americans,
00:05:04.760 the allegations are baseless.
00:05:07.680 The allegations are nothing more than a revenge tour.
00:05:11.120 And as you mentioned, my office was successful
00:05:15.020 in securing a $454 million judgment against Donald Trump and others
00:05:20.840 for exaggerating the value of his assets.
00:05:26.580 He engaged in a pattern and practice of fraud.
00:05:29.540 And the interest is accruing each and every day
00:05:32.920 while the case is on appeal in the first department.
00:05:36.560 It's important that individuals know
00:05:38.960 that this is nothing more than the continuation of the tour.
00:05:43.800 He went after law firms, universities,
00:05:47.680 immigrants, women.
00:05:50.340 Thousands of federal employees right now are unemployed.
00:05:53.520 Our government is in chaos and in disarray.
00:05:56.960 Medicaid, Social Security, CFPB,
00:06:00.300 and the list goes on and on and on.
00:06:03.260 They always have to wave that Medicaid, Social Security flag,
00:06:07.580 which is a complete fraud.
00:06:08.620 Donald Trump has made no proposals to cut either one of them.
00:06:11.920 Sam, your reaction to that brazen line?
00:06:14.960 Well, first of all, I had written about a month before you even contacted me,
00:06:19.420 or a couple of months at least.
00:06:20.720 All right, the only reason why I'm on this show
00:06:23.480 is because you stumbled on my work.
00:06:25.820 I have nothing to do with the Trump administration.
00:06:29.420 I don't work for them.
00:06:31.180 I don't get paid for them.
00:06:32.560 Nobody told me what to post or what to do.
00:06:35.700 I did it myself, and this is the work that I do.
00:06:38.720 This is the life I have chosen.
00:06:40.640 After Crazy A's, I have 25 years' experience 0.73
00:06:43.780 on the other side of the law, okay?
00:06:46.700 I know every trick in the book.
00:06:48.580 I know every trick that's not in the book.
00:06:51.000 And I also know every trick that she's thinking of doing.
00:06:54.860 So this is just classic misdirection.
00:06:59.460 By the way, I do want to say to the Attorney General,
00:07:02.560 you have an open invitation to appear here on the Stone Zone.
00:07:06.280 Any time to rebut anything that we report here, we would welcome you,
00:07:10.000 and we would treat you respectfully and give you your chance to speak.
00:07:13.020 In fact, maybe you want to come on with Sam Antar,
00:07:15.560 and you guys could slug it out.
00:07:17.900 But I've read the actual documents.
00:07:20.360 The strength of your website, Sam, whitecollarfraud.com,
00:07:24.620 is that you link to the actual document, the certified document.
00:07:29.060 I'd also say to Jonah E. Bromwich of the New York Times,
00:07:34.340 according to your story,
00:07:36.940 the Attorney General's office sent you a separate mortgage application
00:07:41.140 in which she did not say that she intended to move to the property,
00:07:44.760 and she claims that the mortgage did not require her to do so.
00:07:50.480 I would ask you to send us or post those documents publicly
00:07:53.820 because they were never notarized.
00:07:56.540 They've never been filed in a place.
00:07:57.880 In fact, nobody's ever seen them but you.
00:08:01.040 I don't think they're legal.
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00:08:04.040 They have no legal meaning even if they existed.
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00:08:25.920 So, I mean, it is saying this is all just paperwork as your defense.
00:08:32.300 I don't think anybody's going to buy it.
00:08:34.980 By the way, I believe the reason she bought this property
00:08:37.180 is because Letitia James believed that she would be attorney general 0.94
00:08:41.380 in the Kamala Harris administration.
00:08:45.020 That's the reason I think she purchased this property.
00:08:47.500 But, Sam, let's take a step back.
00:08:49.680 This is not her first exercise of mortgage fraud, is it?
00:08:54.860 No.
00:08:55.200 When you do forensic accounting work,
00:08:57.400 as I have done for a quarter of a century,
00:08:59.420 you look for what's called a pattern of inconsistency.
00:09:02.960 And in this case, Letitia James' pattern of inconsistency, okay, 0.93
00:09:08.440 gazed back to 1983, which, who was appeared on your show,
00:09:13.080 Joel Gilbert, uncovered with the husband and wife on mortgage,
00:09:20.140 but father and daughter on the deed.
00:09:22.880 So, she's been doing this kind of,
00:09:24.880 she's been putting out false documents for over 40 years. 0.69
00:09:29.540 Now, even her most recent document,
00:09:31.820 because I was on ACRIS doing research,
00:09:33.680 that's the New York City database of deeds and property records,
00:09:37.720 even her most recent mortgage says,
00:09:39.920 stamped, one to two family, okay?
00:09:42.860 It's a four-family house, okay?
00:09:45.000 Every single mortgage document she has filed, okay,
00:09:49.380 in New York City or New York State is false.
00:09:53.620 Every single one of them misrepresent the number of units.
00:09:56.920 Her building is one to four units, okay,
00:10:00.600 on the mortgage documents,
00:10:03.100 but the certificate of occupancy says five.
00:10:06.160 And I think she told the New York Times,
00:10:07.920 well, that was the other owner.
00:10:09.080 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:10:10.400 You see, the certificate of occupancy is issued
00:10:12.780 by the Department of Buildings.
00:10:14.400 It's not an optional document that another owner has.
00:10:17.740 And if she really believes that kind of bullsh**,
00:10:25.320 she shouldn't be the Attorney General of New York
00:10:27.420 because she doesn't understand the law. 0.91
00:10:30.180 Well, the first mortgage, she was 24 years old.
00:10:33.920 It appears to me what she did was to secure the mortgage
00:10:37.120 using her father's balance sheet,
00:10:39.900 her father's financials,
00:10:41.560 claiming that he was her husband.
00:10:43.440 At least that's what it says on the mortgage
00:10:45.560 and the mortgage application.
00:10:47.660 But then on the title,
00:10:49.520 it correctly lists them as father and daughter.
00:10:52.640 That's the first act of fraud.
00:10:56.740 And then, as you point out,
00:10:58.540 Joel Gilbert discovered that she received a HAMP loan,
00:11:03.180 another federal loan,
00:11:05.100 for which you had to have five units.
00:11:09.420 Four units or less.
00:11:10.660 Right, four units or less.
00:11:12.680 But explain to us how she's in violation there. 0.99
00:11:16.920 Okay.
00:11:18.160 HAMP was a program set up
00:11:20.200 for people that had fallen behind of their mortgages
00:11:23.160 because of financial hardship.
00:11:25.700 And she fell behind 30,
00:11:27.440 you know, conveniently,
00:11:28.540 she fell behind $30,000 on her payments,
00:11:31.760 even though she was making over $150,000 a year.
00:11:35.900 Okay.
00:11:36.660 She fell behind.
00:11:37.560 She filed the HAMP application.
00:11:39.300 Now, Joel found out,
00:11:41.880 Joel looked at the HAMP application
00:11:43.480 as it related to the HAMP guidelines.
00:11:48.380 And guess what?
00:11:49.640 The HAMP guidelines, four or less units.
00:11:51.960 Her building says five.
00:11:53.660 On top of that,
00:11:55.220 building upon Joel's work,
00:11:56.680 because he did very good research,
00:11:58.180 and I commend him for it,
00:12:00.220 building upon his work,
00:12:01.760 I further noticed
00:12:02.980 that there were handwritten notes
00:12:05.180 on the HAMP documents,
00:12:07.940 trying to retroactively fix the unit problem
00:12:12.540 by saying this building
00:12:13.960 can potentially be four to six units
00:12:16.980 and handwritten notes.
00:12:18.040 And these handwritten notes
00:12:19.020 were belatedly written
00:12:20.340 at about the time
00:12:21.760 that the documents were filed.
00:12:23.460 In other words,
00:12:24.400 it's after all the due diligence
00:12:26.480 and everything else was done.
00:12:27.740 So, in this case,
00:12:30.780 in this case,
00:12:31.980 it's deliberate.
00:12:32.520 Now, people make mistakes.
00:12:34.260 You make mistakes.
00:12:35.200 I make mistakes.
00:12:36.120 We all make mistakes.
00:12:37.640 But you're talking about here,
00:12:39.080 remember what I said,
00:12:39.800 a pattern of irregularities,
00:12:42.740 40 years worth of false documents.
00:12:46.040 Yeah, and the 2023 Virginia mortgage
00:12:51.560 is missing from her 2023 ethics filing.
00:12:55.460 She also filed no Virginia homestead exemption,
00:12:58.840 which she would have filed
00:13:00.200 if it was going to be
00:13:02.200 her principal residence.
00:13:05.740 Right.
00:13:05.980 Nor did the co-owner of the property
00:13:07.820 file an exemption.
00:13:08.880 In fact,
00:13:09.220 there was a report out in the paper
00:13:10.740 that that person
00:13:12.360 that's occupying the property now
00:13:14.340 only started to occupy it
00:13:15.800 in the last year,
00:13:16.840 which is way past
00:13:18.040 the requirement
00:13:20.060 of the mortgage
00:13:21.540 that both parties
00:13:22.620 have to occupy it
00:13:23.600 within 60 days.
00:13:25.540 Also, New York state law
00:13:26.480 requires disclosure
00:13:27.540 of any large debt
00:13:28.660 unless the property
00:13:29.480 is your sole residence,
00:13:30.840 which James now says
00:13:32.640 it is not.
00:13:33.140 Well, that's not the problem
00:13:34.060 that she has.
00:13:34.900 She had,
00:13:35.420 on that Virginia property,
00:13:37.160 on that Virginia property
00:13:39.120 we're talking about,
00:13:39.980 she did not disclose
00:13:40.960 the debt or the property.
00:13:42.200 But on another Virginia property,
00:13:44.100 which you and I discussed
00:13:45.120 previously,
00:13:46.400 she purchases a property
00:13:47.700 for $130,000 or so,
00:13:49.560 takes a mortgage
00:13:50.200 of $109,000 or so.
00:13:52.040 The property is disclosed
00:13:53.300 as an investment property
00:13:54.580 on a New York financial disclosures.
00:13:56.800 But in 2023,
00:13:59.040 two mortgages
00:13:59.880 in excess
00:14:00.680 of the value
00:14:01.600 of the property
00:14:02.320 were disclosed
00:14:03.620 on a New York state
00:14:04.600 financial disclosures.
00:14:05.980 That led me
00:14:06.880 to go back
00:14:07.520 to the property records
00:14:08.740 and guess what I found?
00:14:10.240 The mortgage
00:14:11.040 that she took
00:14:11.680 when she purchased
00:14:12.500 the property,
00:14:13.060 the $109,000 mortgage
00:14:14.840 was never filed
00:14:16.380 in a New York City
00:14:17.440 financial disclosure,
00:14:18.840 New York State
00:14:19.420 financial disclosures.
00:14:21.100 The mortgages
00:14:21.980 that were in a New York State
00:14:23.340 financial disclosures
00:14:24.580 were never filed
00:14:26.160 in the property records.
00:14:27.420 Were they unrecorded mortgages?
00:14:29.460 You know,
00:14:30.060 a million red flags ring out.
00:14:32.320 But the most important
00:14:33.220 red flag is
00:14:34.040 she valued her own property
00:14:35.820 at $100,000
00:14:36.340 to $150,000.
00:14:37.640 And the total
00:14:38.960 of the mortgages,
00:14:39.880 whether they were
00:14:40.400 filed or not,
00:14:41.500 whether they were
00:14:41.940 disclosed or not,
00:14:42.960 is $510,000.
00:14:45.080 Who gets it
00:14:46.480 two and a half times,
00:14:47.720 2.7 times
00:14:49.040 loan-to-value ratio?
00:14:51.020 No one.
00:14:51.980 Once again,
00:14:53.020 the Attorney General
00:14:54.000 says she will not
00:14:54.900 be silenced.
00:14:55.760 We respect that.
00:14:56.680 You have an open invitation,
00:14:58.420 Madam Attorney General, 0.58
00:14:59.500 to appear here
00:15:00.640 on the Stone Zone
00:15:01.440 with Sam Antar.
00:15:02.960 You can go toe-to-toe
00:15:05.000 with him
00:15:05.600 on these documents
00:15:06.640 that you have
00:15:07.240 indisputably signed.
00:15:09.500 And Jonah Bromwich
00:15:10.640 with the New York Times,
00:15:11.640 if you want to join us
00:15:12.500 as well,
00:15:12.860 that'd be great.
00:15:13.920 You can perhaps
00:15:14.940 post the
00:15:16.360 supposed mortgage application
00:15:19.060 in which she claimed
00:15:20.080 she would not be
00:15:20.760 moving to the property
00:15:21.700 and which she claimed
00:15:22.920 that the mortgage
00:15:23.460 would not require her
00:15:24.600 to do so.
00:15:25.980 I won't be holding
00:15:27.180 my breath.
00:15:28.120 Folks,
00:15:28.480 you're tuned in
00:15:29.040 to the Stone Zone.
00:15:29.860 We're talking to
00:15:30.720 Sam Antar.
00:15:31.900 It was Sam Antar
00:15:32.820 along with
00:15:34.180 veteran journalist
00:15:35.340 and documentary maker
00:15:36.520 Joel Gilbert
00:15:37.340 who uncovered
00:15:38.620 all of the documentary
00:15:40.040 evidence of
00:15:40.920 serious mortgage fraud.
00:15:43.560 There's a lot more
00:15:44.260 to the story.
00:15:45.140 We haven't gotten
00:15:45.640 into sexual assault
00:15:47.400 by the chief of staff
00:15:49.280 of the Attorney General
00:15:50.280 or the serial
00:15:53.480 campaign finance fraud
00:15:55.200 that's still
00:15:55.980 under investigation.
00:15:57.300 You're tuned in
00:15:58.160 to the Stone Zone.
00:15:59.200 Don't miss a second.
00:16:00.380 We'll be right back.
00:16:01.760 We're talking to
00:16:02.500 Sam E. Antar.
00:16:04.280 He is the researcher
00:16:05.720 and former certified
00:16:07.180 public accountant
00:16:08.180 who has ferreted out
00:16:09.540 the serial mortgage fraud
00:16:12.220 by New York Attorney General
00:16:14.160 Letitia James.
00:16:16.240 She attempts to,
00:16:17.640 seems to me,
00:16:18.240 according to the New York Times
00:16:19.260 in an incredible interview
00:16:20.740 she did with Errol Lewis.
00:16:22.360 If you're listening,
00:16:22.940 Mr. Lewis,
00:16:23.800 you should have
00:16:24.320 Mr. Antar on
00:16:25.640 to provide a counterpoint
00:16:27.860 counterpoint
00:16:28.540 to the Attorney General
00:16:30.800 because I believe
00:16:31.520 she told a number
00:16:32.540 of lies
00:16:33.200 during her interview
00:16:34.720 with you.
00:16:36.400 That wasn't an interview.
00:16:37.580 That was an infomercial.
00:16:39.220 Go ahead.
00:16:39.820 I'm sorry.
00:16:40.020 It looked like she was
00:16:41.000 calling in a favor,
00:16:42.000 didn't it?
00:16:43.080 Last time I saw Errol Lewis,
00:16:45.040 he was defending
00:16:45.660 the integrity
00:16:46.280 of former New York
00:16:47.600 Governor Elliot Spitzer.
00:16:49.580 So we know
00:16:50.080 how that went down.
00:16:51.580 So at your own expense,
00:16:52.800 you've undercovered
00:16:53.640 James' undisclosed mortgages,
00:16:55.580 her principal residence
00:16:57.000 declaration in Virginia,
00:16:58.300 which is a fraud,
00:16:59.480 but you've also dug
00:17:00.680 into her taxpayer-funded
00:17:02.140 jet travel
00:17:02.980 and her seeming
00:17:05.340 abuse of taxpayer dollars
00:17:07.780 for political purposes.
00:17:10.560 Tell us about that.
00:17:12.240 Okay.
00:17:12.600 Starting at around
00:17:13.500 the end of 2020
00:17:14.980 all the way through
00:17:16.760 to about early 2022.
00:17:19.860 I might have the date
00:17:20.780 slightly wrong, okay?
00:17:22.180 She took about
00:17:22.860 seven jet trips,
00:17:24.820 private jet trips,
00:17:26.400 with taxpayer-funded dollars,
00:17:28.900 of which about
00:17:29.520 three or four
00:17:30.600 overlapped
00:17:31.820 campaign events.
00:17:34.900 Now, I've foiled
00:17:35.700 that information.
00:17:36.900 I am waiting
00:17:37.440 to see what it says.
00:17:38.940 But irregardless,
00:17:40.240 they occurred.
00:17:42.280 There was an overlap
00:17:43.580 between the campaign events
00:17:45.180 and that jet travel.
00:17:46.760 Now, what's interesting is
00:17:48.600 is that nobody else
00:17:49.980 going back to 2014
00:17:52.340 used that private jet company
00:17:55.060 in New York State.
00:17:56.460 In the entirety of New York State's
00:17:58.900 trillion dollars spent
00:18:01.640 during that period,
00:18:02.900 nobody else used
00:18:03.900 that private jet company.
00:18:05.940 And when New York State
00:18:07.340 stopped paying
00:18:08.160 for a private jet,
00:18:09.520 our campaign started
00:18:11.140 to pay the bill.
00:18:12.220 Seems to me you might have,
00:18:13.580 there's multiple problems there.
00:18:15.020 I noticed on one occasion
00:18:16.760 that she took a,
00:18:19.500 and she paid for
00:18:20.620 a chartered jet
00:18:22.280 from an aviation company
00:18:25.080 that hasn't worked
00:18:26.200 for any other
00:18:27.120 government agency.
00:18:28.120 They didn't file
00:18:29.240 any flight plan,
00:18:30.200 they didn't file
00:18:30.900 any contract,
00:18:32.620 but it happens to be
00:18:33.900 on the same day
00:18:35.240 that her campaign
00:18:36.440 paid an Airbnb
00:18:37.700 for a Martha's Vineyard
00:18:40.020 beachfront condo.
00:18:42.080 So it looks to me
00:18:43.480 like she was junketeering
00:18:45.260 on the taxpayer's dime.
00:18:48.440 I want to thank our guest,
00:18:50.100 Sam Antar,
00:18:50.980 for joining us today.
00:18:52.720 There's a lot more.
00:18:54.160 This story is not over yet.
00:18:55.920 We still have the question
00:18:57.000 of Letitia James' cover-up
00:18:59.680 of the serial sexual assaults
00:19:01.880 by her chief of staff,
00:19:03.760 a man named
00:19:04.320 Ibrahim Khan.
00:19:06.040 The victim's claims
00:19:06.920 have in fact
00:19:07.680 been substantiated
00:19:08.620 in the court system,
00:19:09.600 although Attorney General James
00:19:12.100 has at least temporarily
00:19:13.320 gotten herself dismissed 1.00
00:19:15.220 from the lawsuit
00:19:16.620 by the victim.
00:19:18.200 I suspect you're going to see
00:19:19.260 more in this round.
00:19:22.120 The Stone Zone
00:19:23.060 on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:19:25.880 The Stone Zone
00:19:26.880 of the Red Apple Podcast Network.