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Sam Antar | 05-21-25


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Letitia James, New York s AG, says it's all politics. Sam Antony and Joel Gilbert cover a pattern of mortgage fraud by Letitia James that goes back to before she became attorney general, in the early 2000s.

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00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:05.720 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:00:08.480 Joining us now is Sam Antar.
00:00:10.760 Sam Antar is a fraud investigator.
00:00:14.300 He is the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com.
00:00:19.060 His career has had an interesting trajectory.
00:00:21.840 He himself was once convicted in one of the largest security frauds in American history,
00:00:27.180 paid his debts to society, and after getting out of prison,
00:00:32.040 has dedicated his life to helping law firms, governments, and others
00:00:36.160 ferret out corruption in both public and private entities.
00:00:40.840 He's one of the sharpest investigators and analysts I have ever met.
00:00:44.560 You should check out his website, whitecollarfraud.com.
00:00:49.080 It was Sam Antar and another documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist,
00:00:54.360 Joel Gilbert, who undercovered an indisputable series of acts of mortgage fraud
00:01:02.780 by New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:01:07.140 Letitia says it's all politics.
00:01:09.200 There's nothing here to say.
00:01:10.340 Let's listen to Letitia James. 1.00
00:01:11.760 I went to Howard University that overturned legal segregation in this country.
00:01:19.020 I've been taught in those classrooms where Thurgood Marshall once taught.
00:01:22.680 I'm not afraid of no president.
00:01:25.260 Donald Trump, we're ready for you.
00:01:26.900 We're coming for you.
00:01:29.480 That sounds to me like a woman who's in full panic. 0.98
00:01:32.740 Listen to her here.
00:01:33.480 It's that stone of hope that gives me a fire in my belly each and every morning.
00:01:39.580 It's that stone of hope that allows me to wake up and to stand to Donald Trump
00:01:43.360 and to say, Donald Trump, I'm not afraid of you.
00:01:46.540 I smell panic is what I smell because she's guilty and she knows she's guilty.
00:01:51.320 The documents prove he's guilty.
00:01:53.500 These are not allegations.
00:01:55.180 These are not claims.
00:01:56.420 These are not assertions.
00:01:57.460 This is whole, solid documentation.
00:02:01.520 These are sworn documents.
00:02:04.460 Sam, if I did what you have proven she did, well, they'd be charging me.
00:02:10.620 So, Sam, tell us about this pattern of fraud that you have detected.
00:02:16.220 Okay.
00:02:17.200 What happens is she was buying a property in Norfolk, West Virginia with her niece.
00:02:24.740 And the property was purchased as joint tenancy with rights of survivorship.
00:02:33.660 When she originally was purchasing the property, she claims, well, she shows an email,
00:02:40.340 whereby she did not want the property to be her primary residence.
00:02:45.660 That was on August 2nd or 3rd, 2023.
00:02:51.040 But 14 days later, she signs a power of attorney saying that she intends to occupy the premises
00:03:01.140 with her niece as their primary residence.
00:03:05.080 And that document was witnessed by two key people in her office.
00:03:10.800 One who happens to be the Deputy Attorney General of New York.
00:03:15.240 The mortgage eventually closes based upon the power of attorney that she's going to occupy 0.99
00:03:22.040 the property, but she never occupies the property. 0.97
00:03:25.580 The other item is, is that this was done a few weeks before the Trump trial, where she's
00:03:31.600 basically, where she's suing Donald Trump for mortgage fraud. 0.98
00:03:35.500 So, when she signs that power of attorney, she claims it was a mistake.
00:03:40.460 So, she never intended to occupy Virginia.
00:03:42.820 She claims, okay, if that's the case then, okay, why wasn't the loan corrected?
00:03:49.280 Why wasn't the rate reset higher?
00:03:52.180 Why wasn't anything fixed?
00:03:54.940 Because she had the benefits of a loan that was underwritten based upon the fact that she
00:04:03.920 was going to occupy the property with a niece.
00:04:06.860 And she didn't.
00:04:08.440 So, she's not a mistake.
00:04:10.360 So, just to clarify this, by claiming that the property would be owner-occupied by she
00:04:16.280 and her niece, not both, not either, but both, she got a lower mortgage rate.
00:04:21.020 Is that correct?
00:04:22.260 That is correct.
00:04:23.460 Also, probably lower insurance.
00:04:26.000 But that's another thing.
00:04:27.600 So, she's saying it's a mistake.
00:04:29.900 If it's a mistake, then why wasn't it corrected?
00:04:33.000 Why was the mortgage underwritten based upon her sworn statement, which was a sworn power
00:04:40.080 of attorney, where she said that she was going to occupy the property? 1.00
00:04:44.960 All right.
00:04:45.800 That is her main problem.
00:04:48.600 Well, as you have pointed out, if she made the Virginia property her principal residence,
00:04:56.060 which she signed under oath of power and attorney saying she would do, she would be legally
00:05:01.960 ineligible to be the attorney general of New York.
00:05:05.460 And I checked the law immediately upon her declaring residency in another state, the seat
00:05:10.900 would be vacated.
00:05:13.040 And then, of course, if she signed a document saying she would move and she didn't, well,
00:05:17.440 then she is guilty of mortgage fraud.
00:05:20.740 Continue.
00:05:21.080 Okay.
00:05:22.760 Now, her lawyer, after the Justice Department referral, in other words, the FHFA, the Federal
00:05:31.480 Housing Finance Administration, referred this case to the Justice Department.
00:05:36.320 Her lawyer wrote a letter of response saying that there was another document that was filed
00:05:44.120 after the power of attorney that was on August 17th.
00:05:48.080 So you have an email that says that she's not going to occupy it.
00:05:52.500 I'm sorry.
00:05:53.040 She has an email saying she's not going to occupy it on August 2nd, August 3rd.
00:05:57.640 She has, on August 17th, the power of attorney that contradicts the email.
00:06:02.240 And then he has this third document that he refers to that also says that she's not going
00:06:07.940 to occupy the property after she said she was going to occupy the property. 1.00
00:06:11.760 However, when he did the letter to the DOJ, that third document, which was subsequent to
00:06:21.020 the power of attorney, he points to the email that was dated before the power of attorney.
00:06:26.620 In other words, the claim that there was another subsequent document, that document never existed.
00:06:33.780 In fact, she doesn't even refer to it when she did that power breakfast yesterday in her speech.
00:06:39.440 In other words, that excuse now disappears.
00:06:42.200 So Lowell's timeline is completely garbage.
00:06:46.720 It is completely discredited, so to speak.
00:06:51.040 But in any case, even if she signed the third document subsequent to the power of attorney
00:06:55.460 that contradicts the power of attorney, it wouldn't matter because the mortgage is underwritten
00:07:00.240 based on the power of attorney.
00:07:02.480 It is interesting to me that she claimed to have this document, which no one has ever seen.
00:07:08.780 And the New York Times just wrote it as a fact, even though I doubt they've ever seen it
00:07:12.800 because, well, it doesn't exist.
00:07:15.000 Now, there's another issue, although I should point out the FBI Director, Cash Patel, has
00:07:19.780 now confirmed his agents are actively investigating this mortgage fraud case and reporting directly
00:07:24.900 to him and to Deputy Director Dan Bongino.
00:07:27.720 There's also a credible report that a federal grand jury has been convened in Virginia to
00:07:34.620 examine Letitia James' actions in this particular matter.
00:07:40.000 Now, there's a different issue.
00:07:42.280 That is her qualification earlier for a so-called HAMP loan, which is a loan of which you get 0.88
00:07:49.720 a mortgage for an investment property.
00:07:51.820 But as I understand it, it's an investment property that has to be four units and under
00:07:57.740 rental properties, which she claimed.
00:08:01.080 But didn't you and documentary filmmaker, investigative reporter Joel Gilbert visit that property
00:08:08.580 so you could examine with your own eyes whether it was four units or five?
00:08:13.560 We visited the property.
00:08:17.780 So, first of all, let me just say this.
00:08:19.120 Joel was the one that uncovered the HAMP fraud.
00:08:22.380 We visited the property.
00:08:25.480 And we saw that there was five doorbells, one for each apartment.
00:08:30.140 Also, when I got the Con Ed records, there was one electric meter for each of the five apartments
00:08:37.220 plus a common area.
00:08:40.440 And, of course, the Certificate of Occupancy, which is the ruling document, says it's five units.
00:08:45.720 Now, right after that, right after that, somebody has filed a complaint with the Department of
00:08:54.180 Building saying that the building is not in conformance with the Certificate of Occupancy.
00:08:59.360 In other words, there's four units that she claims instead of five units that the Certificate of Occupancy says.
00:09:05.880 Well, the building's department went there and inspected it and said there's five units.
00:09:10.300 Everything is fine.
00:09:11.540 In other words, they don't know that she's misrepresenting it as four units.
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00:09:47.600 Once again, she's able to qualify for this mortgage rate based on a false statement. 0.98
00:09:54.340 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Sam Antar.
00:09:57.300 You can check out his reporting at whitecollarfraud.com.
00:10:01.300 This is a perfect example of no person being above the law.
00:10:06.020 That includes New York Attorney General Tish James.
00:10:09.020 When we come back, we're going to talk about the fact that Tish and the New York Democrats
00:10:12.420 think that you, the taxpayer, should pick up the tab for her legal defense,
00:10:17.040 even though these actions have nothing to do with her official duties.
00:10:20.640 We'll be right back with Sam Antar right here in the Stone Zone. 0.90
00:10:23.760 So whatever you do, don't go away.
00:10:25.480 We'll be right back in the zone.
00:10:26.560 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:10:29.140 Talk about the law of unintended consequences.
00:10:32.580 When the New York State Legislature amended a state law to extend the statute of limitations
00:10:39.100 so a woman named E. Jean Carroll could accuse President Donald Trump of a sexual assault,
00:10:47.540 little did they know that there would be subsequent sexual harassment and assault cases
00:10:52.740 filed against Mayor Eric Adams, Governor Andrew Cuomo, and Senator Kevin Parker.
00:10:59.260 Parker now says the law, which he co-sponsored, the amendment, is unconstitutional.
00:11:04.480 How about that?
00:11:06.240 Letitia James is trying to use this crucible to raise money. 1.00
00:11:13.020 She has a new fundraising appeal out.
00:11:16.480 She's going to need the money for her legal defense because it appears that New York State
00:11:21.420 Republicans have blocked legislation in which Governor Kathy Hochul and the New York Democrats
00:11:27.640 wanted the New York taxpayers to pay for Letitia James' legal defense,
00:11:32.780 even though these actions, as outlined by Sam Antar here today in the Stone Zone,
00:11:40.840 have nothing to do with her official duties.
00:11:42.900 It has to do with her own personal conduct and a, I would say at this point, a 22-year span
00:11:55.720 of 10 different mortgage applications, every single one of which has some material problem.
00:12:04.080 And then, Sam, there's the question of her public filings.
00:12:07.680 As an elected official, she has required public filings about her own finances,
00:12:15.000 but sometimes she shows rent from these properties on her disclosures.
00:12:21.040 Other years, that disappears.
00:12:22.920 Then it reappears a year later.
00:12:25.920 Her filings appear to me to be a mess, no?
00:12:29.140 Yes, that is correct.
00:12:30.400 Take, for instance, every year she has to file an ethics form with the New York State Board of Elections. 1.00
00:12:39.760 And that form has a financial statement that's attached to it.
00:12:45.160 So how many assets she has, how many liabilities she has, certain things she doesn't have to disclose,
00:12:49.940 but let's talk about what she has to disclose.
00:12:52.720 Okay.
00:12:53.220 She has two properties in Virginia.
00:12:56.100 One is the one that she intended to make a primary residence that she didn't. 0.89
00:13:01.600 That's the subject of a major fraud investigation by the DOJ.
00:13:06.600 That property is nowhere to be found on our financial statements, and it's supposed to be there.
00:13:12.340 The mortgage is nowhere to be found on our financial statements, and it's supposed to be there, too.
00:13:17.280 There's another Virginia property where the property is listed on our financial statements,
00:13:22.900 but the mortgage that she took out when she bought the property is not listed on our financial statements.
00:13:29.720 But there are two mortgages that are not in the property records that are listed on our financial statements.
00:13:38.700 So in that property, she lists two mortgages that don't appear in the property records,
00:13:43.580 and one mortgage that does appear in the property records is not on the financial disclosure.
00:13:49.540 And then you have the Brooklyn property also that she has, where there's one property that she lists on our financial disclosures.
00:13:57.360 It's nowhere to be found on any property databases.
00:14:02.780 She, of course, claims that this is all about retaliation.
00:14:06.120 It's all about revenge.
00:14:07.260 In all honesty, there's a great editorial in the New York Post as to what the delay is
00:14:12.780 in Trump's appeal of the unprecedented prosecution of Donald Trump by Letitia James.
00:14:22.060 Remember, she claimed that he inflated the value of his assets in order to get commercial real estate development loans,
00:14:32.440 all of which were paid back on time and in full.
00:14:35.920 In fact, those making the loans made $40 million in interest.
00:14:39.460 Every one of them said that they would be willing to do business with him again.
00:14:44.220 They, of course, were not permitted to testify at that rigged trial.
00:14:49.320 I don't know a single lawyer who doesn't believe that that, I think it is a $580 million, I think, judgment can be reversed.
00:15:00.360 So, yes, there is lawfare.
00:15:02.600 There is a politically motivated prosecution, but it isn't by Donald Trump.
00:15:08.360 It is by Letitia James.
00:15:11.040 I think that decision gets reversed, and I think it gets reversed soon, although I'm beginning to wonder what's taking so long.
00:15:19.740 Also, one has to give credit to Bill Pulte, who is the chairman of the Federal Home Finance Agency.
00:15:26.940 His investigators went out to confirm everything that Joel Gilbert has publicly reported.
00:15:35.820 And by the way, if you go to whitecollarfraud.com, you can see that he links to all of the actual documents.
00:15:42.360 So, you have to take his word for it.
00:15:44.300 You can see it right there in black and white.
00:15:47.700 But upon finishing the investigation by FHFA, he sent a letter to the Department of Justice recommending criminal charges.
00:16:01.660 And we now know that there is both an FBI investigation and a Virginia-based grand jury has been impaneled.
00:16:11.300 Also, as I said earlier in the show, sources tell me that there is now a federal investigation into whether Letitia James,
00:16:21.940 as well as the Biden Justice Department, looked the other way at a New York financial institution that was violating Iranian sanctions.
00:16:34.580 We're not talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars here.
00:16:37.700 We're talking about tens of millions of dollars.
00:16:41.100 I expect that story to break any day now.
00:16:45.500 Once again, she's going to claim this is retaliation or this is revenge. 1.00
00:16:51.040 No, this is a rebalancing of the scales of justice so that we have one justice system, not two,
00:16:59.600 and that all public officials are treated equally.
00:17:02.640 In the end, Letitia James, she can go with the fiery rhetoric. 1.00
00:17:08.320 I'm not afraid of no Donald Trump, no President Donald Trump.
00:17:12.700 This woman is university educated, talking like a ghetto rat. 1.00
00:17:19.000 This is, I guess, part of the idiom.
00:17:21.680 It's not going to work.
00:17:23.080 This is not a political prosecution.
00:17:25.500 Again, you can go to the documents at whitecollarfraud.com and see that everything Sam Antar has discussed with us today is accurate.
00:17:38.700 A final point here.
00:17:40.320 We only have about two minutes.
00:17:42.900 Joe, you also, pardon me, Sam, you also found that there was a lot of missing documentation regarding her state expense account,
00:17:51.600 that she had used a charter service to fly on the taxpayer's dime,
00:17:59.400 but there was no documentation about whether those flights were to go to political events.
00:18:04.640 Tell us about that.
00:18:05.340 Six flights, $41,000, three to four of which we can identify that took place during political events.
00:18:15.100 I sent out a FOIA, FOIA request, Freedom of Information Law request,
00:18:22.000 to both the New York State Attorney General's office and the New York State Comptroller's office.
00:18:30.000 Now, the Comptroller's office gets back to me.
00:18:32.900 There's no documents.
00:18:34.300 I appeal.
00:18:35.300 They say there's no documents.
00:18:36.740 All they give me is a spreadsheet.
00:18:38.620 I say, where's the contracts that are listed on the spreadsheet?
00:18:41.860 Where are the contracts?
00:18:43.660 There's no contracts.
00:18:44.600 In other words, zero, zero, zero.
00:18:47.640 Her office now needs an extra two months to accumulate the documents if they have the documents. 1.00
00:18:54.400 Now, how can the Comptroller of the State of New York not have any documents?
00:18:59.800 Flight manifests, you know, trip documents, nothing.
00:19:05.500 Zero documents pertaining to these trips.
00:19:09.120 It just mind boggles me to think that they don't have the documents.
00:19:13.920 Now, what's going to happen is all these flights, they have to, the charter carrier has to keep records,
00:19:21.840 and the feds are going to get it from the charter carrier when they continue their investigation.
00:19:27.300 So this thing is going to get much more water.
00:19:29.880 It's going to not just involve mortgage fraud.
00:19:32.720 It's going to involve mail fraud with financial filings with New York State.
00:19:37.140 It's going to also involve possible campaign funds, government theft, theft of funds that she took from the government to pay for campaign funds. 0.99
00:19:48.200 It's also, I've heard, I've seen some articles about the sex abuse scandals that she covered up in her office.
00:19:55.280 Because this lady is in for a long, long run in prison. 1.00
00:20:00.560 Well, remember, no person is above the law.
00:20:02.960 All right, I'm going to thank our guest, Sam Antar.
00:20:04.960 I urge you once again to check out his website, whitecollarfraud.com.