The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Shannon Grady ｜ 01-27-26

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00:00:47.940 Shannon Grady and her husband, Jason, own a 24-acre homestead, as I say, in Chester Springs, Pennsylvania.

00:00:54.980 Where they raise goats, ducks, turkeys, chickens, and rabbits with their five children.

00:01:00.160 The family purchased the property in 2019 and gradually converted a former horse pasture into a functional family space.

00:01:07.980 Including a small pond with a natural spring used for recreation and also for watering the animals.

00:01:13.800 But unfortunately, Shannon Grady and her husband have been targeted by state and local officials over completely what I believe are fabricated environmental infractions in an effort to target them.

00:01:30.600 What began as an emergency storm repair during Hurricane Ida in 2021 has since escalated into a year-long legal struggle with the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.

00:01:42.620 In which the Grady family believes, correctly, that they're targeted out of vengeance by state and local authorities.

00:01:49.320 Due to Shannon Grady's advocacy against some of the COVID restrictions and her criticism of the local school board.

00:02:00.300 Shannon Grady joins us in The Stone Zone now.

00:02:05.060 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:02:07.080 Shannon, this is an extraordinary story that I think the people need to know about how this attack on you and your family and your property has spiraled out of control.

00:02:21.980 First, let's talk about your activism regarding COVID restrictions and the local school board.

00:02:28.220 Yeah, I generally kept to myself prior to the school shutdown and, you know, when the masking mandate was put in place, I kind of just kept to myself, kept quiet and I just kept my kids home.

00:02:45.520 I didn't send them to school.

00:02:47.200 I kept them online and I didn't really cause a stir.

00:02:51.500 I never complied with any masking mandates, you know, anywhere I went.

00:02:55.380 I just, you know, lived freely.

00:02:59.220 But when the COVID restrictions continued, it was supposed to be two weeks and then it was two years in our school district.

00:03:09.540 My son was about to enter high school and his high school is one of the schools in the district that you have to apply to.

00:03:18.220 It's a STEM academy.

00:03:19.240 So they had no in-person option.

00:03:21.200 So prior to the start of that school year, I was researching, because we had no avail with our school board to listen to facts, listen to us talking at the school board meetings, etc.

00:03:36.160 So I was researching the school codes and I found a section in the school code that allows you to file a petition to remove your school board.

00:03:46.380 So I, knowing nothing about anything, I was just a really upset parent.

00:03:52.760 I filed a petition to remove the school board based on the masking mandates and that that sort of the school board was removed.

00:04:01.680 They were later placed back on.

00:04:02.820 But that kind of started a whole stir.

00:04:06.300 I got more involved with the school.

00:04:09.360 I later became the chair of Moms for Liberty.

00:04:11.500 And so that was sort of my my first, you know, I guess, experience with standing up to government mandates.

00:04:23.240 And it really opened my eyes to understanding I was following the Pennsylvania.

00:04:28.240 The Pennsylvania Supreme Court did rule that that administrative order issued for the masking mandate by the Department of Health was void ab initio.

00:04:37.340 And I started to understand what these things meant, being an administrative order, government infringing upon upon your rights and starting to really be able to recognize when government is over overextending their reserved powers, if you will.

00:04:58.900 OK, so after Hurricane Ida destroyed your family's private driveway, crossing over a small drainage ditch, cutting off access to your home, the Grady's say the crossing became impassable, creating an urgent safety concern.

00:05:12.260 Within a day, the family installed a 10 foot long metal culvert and placed stone fill to restore access, an arrangement common in rural properties in this area of Pennsylvania.

00:05:23.220 But then days later, following, of course, an anonymous complaint alleging earth disturbance, representatives from the Chester County Conservation District and the State Department of Inventual Property and Text entered the property without a warrant, without advance notice, describing the visit and several that followed as raids, because that's how Shannon told me they went down, saying officials entered despite being posted no trespassing signs and explicit objections from the Grady's.

00:05:52.740 An inspection report by the Department of Protection Aquatic Biologist Carol Canigliani documents a confrontation in which the property owners were present, were told that they had a legal right to enter and their refusal could result in enforcement action.

00:06:10.220 To me, that, of course, is a threat.

00:06:12.280 So it was during that initial inspection, the officials identified the pond on the property that gave them their next excuse to harass the Grady family.

00:06:22.660 Subsequent Department of Environmental Protection reports alleged multiple fabricated violations, including unpermitted earth disturbance exceeding one acre, discharge of sediment into a water of the Commonwealth, construction of an unpermitted culvert, failure to implement erosion and sediment controls,

00:06:41.220 unlawful obstruction of unlawful obstruction upon wetlands, the natural spring palms described as impermeable and potentially polluting.

00:06:50.800 These are all, of course, outrageous fabrications.

00:06:54.220 And you and your husband dispute these findings.

00:06:57.180 Shannon, tell us about that.

00:06:59.060 Correct.

00:06:59.540 Yeah, we dispute these findings.

00:07:00.900 You know, as you mentioned, starting in 2021 was when the initial inspection took place based on an anonymous complaint, which we did file right to nose to get such anonymous complaints.

00:07:13.780 We still haven't yet seen those.

00:07:16.080 But since 2021, there's been at least nine, nine unreasonable searches of our property.

00:07:22.280 And the DEPs had had brought in not only the state, but they at one point had the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

00:07:32.300 They were claiming that we were under federal jurisdiction, according to WOTUS.

00:07:37.900 So they were trying to say that we needed to work with the federal government as well because we're in violation of multiple environmental crimes and whatnot.

00:07:47.160 But in all of these raids, if you will, they came with armed officers numerous times.

00:07:53.760 They conspired with the police department, the PA Fish and Game officers who are also armed numerous times, came onto our property.

00:08:02.140 We gave them that we have posted signage and we gave them verbal notice that they were not permitted to inspect our property and search our property.

00:08:10.880 But yet they continued their searches.

00:08:14.880 We basically explained to them that they have to prove harm.

00:08:22.320 Their main claim is that we are a public nuisance causing environmental harm.

00:08:27.200 And the statutes in which they cite we're violating, they have the statutory duty to prove that we've contaminated the waters of the Commonwealth or waters of the United States.

00:08:38.360 Yet in all of their visits from 2021 through 2025, they failed to do one single soil sample test or water soil test, which they're required to do by the statute.

00:08:53.000 They're required to show contamination, which they failed to do.

00:08:56.440 So you and your husband maintain that the natural spring pond that they refer to is permeable, smaller than an acre and actually environmentally beneficial, converting what was previously a muddy runoff prone pasture into a stabilized grass dairy that serves as a water source for your livestock.

00:09:15.520 The government has never shown any evidence of pollution or downstream harm, nor have any of your neighbors filed complaints alleging damage.

00:09:24.700 Additionally, state aerial imagery shows only minor soil displacement consistent with normal rainfall.

00:09:33.200 Grady notes that no soil in this article that I read.

00:09:36.580 This is, I think, you talking, Shannon, noted that no soil or water tests were ever made by state authorities to prove any of this viral damage.

00:09:44.380 As you just said, demonstrate that this whole thing is, in fact, a political.

00:09:49.780 You know, I really must tell you, in a way I can totally identify with you because I myself have been politically targeted.

00:09:57.680 It was seven years ago this past Sunday, the 29 heavily armed FBI agents, similar to the armed thugs that were sent to your farm property,

00:10:08.660 store my home at six o'clock in the morning.

00:10:10.880 And this entire attack on you and your husband and your family, where you live on the property with your five children, as I recall, in a farmhouse that's almost 200 years old,

00:10:25.860 they want to fine you and try to destroy you, not because you're doing anything wrong on your property, but because you stood up to the local school board.

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00:12:38.220 Yeah, and maybe that's where it originated.

00:12:43.840 But, you know, ever since they've interacted with us, everything, every time they come, they said, just comply.

00:12:49.860 You need to comply.

00:12:51.000 You need to comply.

00:12:51.840 You need to comply.

00:12:52.640 But complying would cost your family $500,000 or more, including permit fees, hiring a certified wetland specialist, delineating wetlands, preparing restoration plans, and submitting a notice of intent for individual permits.

00:13:12.300 Are any of the other property holders around where you live experiencing these same kinds of issues?

00:13:18.160 Not that I'm aware of.

00:13:21.040 And the ironic part here is that, you know, the permits in which they wish us to obtain and comply with are regulated by the federal government.

00:13:32.100 The EPA regulates the MPDES permit, which they want us to get.

00:13:37.960 And WOTUS has been basically eliminated by the Trump administration.

00:13:42.080 The WOTUS doesn't, they're claiming that, you know, the water, our natural springs, which is what the pond is, the natural springs, we have seven on our property, is not a water of the United States, not regulated by the federal government, but which is what they're trying to claim.

00:13:56.460 And they're also trying to claim our drainage ditch is a navigable waterway.

00:14:00.460 It has about a half an inch of water.

00:14:01.980 So, you know, they're trying to, you know, pull us into not only administrative regulatory purview, but they're trying to also force us to comply with an administrative process, which we have been saying from the beginning is unconstitutional.

00:14:19.460 We are, we are afforded proper due process.

00:14:22.720 You cannot just show up here with an administrative order demanding us to comply with your demands, purchase all these permits, do all of these things, which would cost us $500,000, plus allow you to inspect, quote unquote, inspect our property for the next five years, whenever you want, based on an administrative order issued by a manager who works at the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.

00:14:47.080 So, that's not due process.

00:14:50.140 No, in fact, and this will come as a surprise to no one when this whole matter reached the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania on May 28th of 2025.

00:14:59.660 You represented yourself pro se, because let's face it, lawyers are very expensive, focusing all of these questions that you've raised today about the state's authority to enter private property, absent any consent to begin with.

00:15:12.920 And, of course, the local judge, Matthew S. Wolf, granted the state's Department of Environmental Protection to enforce this outrageous administrative order.

00:15:23.140 The court retained jurisdiction, warned that failure to comply could result in sanctions, including contempt, fines, and perhaps even jail.

00:15:32.300 These people are out of control, but I do think you have put your finger on the potential solution to your problems.

00:15:40.060 I really doubt that Lee Zeldin, who is the director under Donald Trump of the Department of Environmental Protection, is aware of the situation.

00:15:49.400 There are federal issues involved.

00:15:51.300 They're claiming you violated federal laws incorrectly.

00:15:54.760 Do you have some hope that Lee Zeldin and the administration will examine all of these issues, as they have done in other instances,

00:16:02.480 defending, in one case, a Washington rancher who was falsely accused of environmental crimes?

00:16:07.420 Are you hopeful that Lee Zeldin will step in?

00:16:11.340 I am hopeful that Lee Zeldin will step in.

00:16:14.060 And I actually did file a federal complaint against the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection,

00:16:21.480 along with an emergency temporary restraining order.

00:16:24.760 We are seeking proper due process.

00:16:27.700 If the DEP wants to prove their claim, their claim in their administrative order is that we are a public nuisance,

00:16:35.340 which requires them to prove contamination to the waters of the Commonwealth or waters of the United States.

00:16:42.320 They need to prove their claim in court and give us proper due process, which requires a trial by jury,

00:16:47.760 not a non-neutral, quasi-judicial administrative hearing.

00:16:52.840 That's all we've been afforded.

00:16:55.660 Well, we are going to try to make sure that your case comes to the attention of the director of the Environmental Protection Agency.

00:17:05.760 There's a great story over at the Populist Sentinel.

00:17:10.180 You can check this out.

00:17:11.160 If you go to PopulistSentinel.com, look up Shannon Grady.

00:17:15.980 Terrific story about this epic harassment of you and your family by the state officials.

00:17:24.080 And look at a lot of these federal agencies locally.

00:17:27.900 You still have Biden Democrats in control at the state level of some of these federal agencies.

00:17:33.820 So we don't know what the director of Environmental Protection knows about your case, but we're going to bring it to his attention.

00:17:43.220 All right.

00:17:43.820 God bless you.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - January 31, 2026

Shannon Grady ｜ 01-27-26

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