The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 02-26-25


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Roger Stone explains why Donald Trump is the greatest comeback politician of all time, and why he won the 2016 Republican presidential nomination by becoming the first sitting president to do so. He also explains why he thinks the White House has changed the decor in the Oval Office.

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00:00:30.000 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:00:43.820 People love him and respect him.
00:00:45.280 Roger Stone.
00:00:46.540 Now, get in the zone. 0.94
00:00:48.480 It's the Stone Zone.
00:00:50.520 Here's Roger Stone.
00:00:55.460 Welcome.
00:00:56.180 I'm Roger Stone, and you're in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Network.
00:01:03.920 Here, we talk politics.
00:01:05.560 We eat, sleep, and breathe politics.
00:01:08.840 We try to give you the story behind the story.
00:01:12.260 The inside skinny on what's happening in American politics.
00:01:15.480 We start with breaking news tonight.
00:01:18.180 Tonight, it is that Jeremy Brown, a retired U.S. Army Special Forces Master Sergeant who was given a full, free, and unconditional pardon by President Donald Trump in regard to the events of January 6th,
00:01:33.760 but had nonetheless been held in federal custody, moved to 15 different prisons, mostly at 5 a.m. in the morning.
00:01:43.240 A technique that the Bureau of Prisons calls diesel therapy, even though he received a pardon weeks ago, has now finally been released.
00:01:54.460 The feds were exploiting a technicality as they were taking out on Brown the fact that he had been approached by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI and recruited to be an informant on January 6th.
00:02:11.020 He refused to do so, but he recorded both of those attempts to recruit him.
00:02:17.820 And for that, he was punished.
00:02:21.220 I want to stress that Jeremy Brown never entered the Capitol on January 6th.
00:02:25.640 He never assaulted a police officer.
00:02:28.000 He never destroyed any public property.
00:02:30.860 Nonetheless, the Bureau of Prisons and federal marshals stubbornly refused to release him because a search of his Florida home, which had been ordered by a D.C., not a Florida magistrate,
00:02:46.180 turned up what we believe was planted evidence that was allegedly classified.
00:02:54.660 This was a computer disk, which, strangely enough, did not have Jeremy Brown's fingerprints on it,
00:03:01.280 also didn't have any of the dog hairs that were throughout his apartment, Jeremy Brown being a dog lover.
00:03:08.780 But the fact that they had this second Florida-based offense was used to keep him in prison.
00:03:17.340 Now, finally, thanks to a clear declaration by the Trump Justice Department that the raid on Jeremy Brown's home was indeed connected to January 6th, he is a free man.
00:03:33.500 I have raised this question here on the Red Apple Audio Network for several weeks.
00:03:38.620 Thank you to President Donald Trump and to Attorney General Pam Bondi for finally freeing Jeremy Brown.
00:03:47.720 I noticed today, while watching President Donald Trump in the White House, that there's been some rearrangements of the decor.
00:03:57.580 When Joe Biden was president, he had portraits of Franklin Roosevelt, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and Benjamin Franklin.
00:04:10.100 He also had busts.
00:04:12.360 Those busts were of Dr. Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, the civil rights activist, 0.77
00:04:18.860 Cesar Chavez, the California-based union organizer, Senator Robert F. Kennedy Sr. of New York, and former President Harry Truman.
00:04:33.840 Well, President Donald Trump has rearranged the decor.
00:04:39.140 His portraits include George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, but then two of his favorites,
00:04:47.480 Andrew Jackson, the populist president that Trump is most often compared to, and of course, the great Ronald Reagan.
00:04:56.300 Now, when it came to the presidential busts, he continues to display the same bust of Dr. Martin Luther King,
00:05:04.800 but he's added to that Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln.
00:05:10.420 Very interesting, indeed, the change of decor.
00:05:15.100 It was nine years ago, on February 26, 2016, that then-candidate Donald Trump participated in a Republican primary debate in Houston, Texas, hosted by CNN.
00:05:27.580 This debate came just days before the critical Super Tuesday primary,
00:05:32.060 and Trump famously clashed with then-rivals Marco Rubio, now his Secretary of State, and Senator Ted Cruz,
00:05:41.320 now one of President Trump's staunchest supporters in the Senate.
00:05:45.480 It was Trump's performance that night that solidified his front-runner status in the Republican race heading into Super Tuesday.
00:05:53.540 It was a pivotal moment that helped propel him towards securing the Republican nomination and being an improbable and unlikely winner of the 2016 presidential contest.
00:06:08.080 It is amazing how time has flied, and Donald Trump has now scored the greatest single comeback in American political history.
00:06:17.180 Now, I don't say that lightly, because Richard Nixon made a miraculous comeback, having been very narrowly defeated in 1960,
00:06:28.360 having then made a disastrous campaign for governor of California in 1962,
00:06:33.760 but the assassination of John Kennedy, the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy,
00:06:38.860 the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King,
00:06:41.840 and the deep divisions over the Vietnam War parted the seas in such a way that Richard Nixon made a miraculous comeback,
00:06:51.000 winning the presidency in a three-way race in 1968,
00:06:55.120 with Senator Hubert Humphrey running to his left and George Wallace running as independent to his right.
00:07:02.020 I say Trump's comeback is an even greater feat,
00:07:05.520 because unlike Nixon at that time, he was facing not just a re-election campaign,
00:07:11.840 but also a tsunami of lawfare, which they tried to bankrupt him.
00:07:18.280 They tried to keep him off the ballot in all 50 states.
00:07:22.500 They charged him in New York with crimes that they could never actually delineate,
00:07:28.700 crimes that he was ultimately sentenced for and is now appealing.
00:07:32.940 So I think Trump has scored the greatest comeback in my lifetime.
00:07:38.760 Having visited the Oval Office under four presidents,
00:07:42.580 I noticed that change in the decor and wanted to bring it to your attention today.
00:07:48.000 The big story, of course, is that the FBI is now investigating former FBI Director James Comey,
00:07:54.900 who ran an off-the-books honeypot operation targeting the 2016 Trump campaign.
00:08:01.160 Now, let me stress that this is far before the kickoff of Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
00:08:12.400 That was the illicit, illegal, and baseless investigation that they used to try to topple a duly elected president
00:08:21.800 that later morphed into the Russian collusion hoax.
00:08:25.460 That is, of course, the greatest single dirty trick in American political history.
00:08:30.980 Nothing less than the full use of the authority of the U.S. government
00:08:35.480 and the extraordinary capability of our intelligence agencies
00:08:39.600 to use two pieces of phony evidence, the so-called Steele dossier,
00:08:46.140 and then the false claim later that the Democrat National Committee
00:08:51.000 had been the target of an online hack by Russian intelligence.
00:08:55.120 That is a claim for which no evidence has ever been presented
00:08:59.540 other than the claim by CIA Director John Brennan.
00:09:05.580 According now to the news today, a whistleblower came forward
00:09:10.780 and two female FBI undercover agents had infiltrated, at Comey's direction, 1.00
00:09:17.620 President Trump's 2016 campaign at the highest levels
00:09:21.160 and were directed to act as, quote-unquote, honeypots
00:09:25.160 while traveling with Mr. Trump, Candidate Trump, and his campaign staff.
00:09:29.380 It was the Washington Times that first broke that story,
00:09:32.940 and Washington Times reporter Carrie Pickett, who broke the story,
00:09:37.420 joins us later in today's show.
00:09:39.780 Now we hear that the FBI Director Cash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino
00:09:45.800 are looking at these once-undercover employees
00:09:49.180 who were operating off the books at James Comey's direction.
00:09:54.380 We have a lot more about this and everything else going on,
00:09:57.640 and we'll be right back.
00:09:59.380 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:10:13.140 Not just stepping stones.
00:10:14.500 The Stone Zone.
00:10:16.740 Not just stepping stones.
00:10:18.160 We'll be right back.
00:10:48.160 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:11:01.720 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
00:11:05.500 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.
00:11:07.880 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
00:11:11.480 Now they treated him very unfairly.
00:11:14.060 Now, get him a zone.
00:11:15.660 It's the Stone Zone.
00:11:17.920 Here's Roger Stone.
00:11:20.700 And we're back in the Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Network.
00:11:27.220 Yesterday we told you about a burgeoning scandal
00:11:30.120 in which national intelligence figures, those working for the NSA,
00:11:35.920 were using a secret chat room to, well, to talk about sex,
00:11:41.440 transgendered surgeries, kink, porn, and other off-topic subjects.
00:11:48.360 Now we understand that the new director of national intelligence,
00:11:54.840 Tulsi Gabbard, has announced a crackdown.
00:11:57.580 Listen to Tulsi Gabbard.
00:11:58.880 I am curious about how they think this is a good tactic to keep their job.
00:12:03.760 They're exposing themselves essentially by making this indirect threat using their propaganda arm through CNN
00:12:11.300 that they've used over and over and over again to reveal their hand that their loyalty is not at all to America.
00:12:16.920 It is not to the American people or the Constitution.
00:12:19.380 It is to themselves.
00:12:21.980 And these are exactly the kind of people that we need to root out, get rid of,
00:12:27.000 so that the patriots who do work in this area, who are committed to our core mission,
00:12:32.640 can actually focus on that.
00:12:34.560 I've got to tell you, one of the byproducts of what I just saw literally today
00:12:37.760 is because of this immediate action of transparency and accountability,
00:12:41.340 I have people within the intelligence community reaching out to me personally and directly saying,
00:12:46.860 hey, you need to know about this.
00:12:48.900 You need to look over here.
00:12:50.660 People are stepping forward because they are all on board with the mission to clean house
00:12:55.660 and refocus on our core mission of serving the American people.
00:13:00.200 Tulsi Gabbard rolling heads today in the NSA.
00:13:05.120 The chat logs for the NSA's interlinked messaging program date back two years.
00:13:10.260 They also demonstrate a severe far-left bias.
00:13:13.800 NSA, DIA, and naval intel officials blasted the conservative count's libs of TikTok as an effing monster,
00:13:22.240 argued that Ben Shapiro should be expelled from the tribe,
00:13:26.700 and were constantly spouting hate speech, including slurring Italian-Americans,
00:13:31.100 such as myself, as terrible people.
00:13:34.220 Thank God that Tulsi Gabbard is finally bringing accountability to our intelligence agencies
00:13:39.560 and jettisoning some of these deranged deep state operatives.
00:13:45.100 Here's some other great news.
00:13:47.860 Dan Scavino, President Trump's deputy chief of staff,
00:13:51.220 in a tweet this morning said it's, quote, time to abolish the IRS.
00:13:57.160 Now, no one believes that Scavino, who did all social media posting for President Trump
00:14:03.680 during his last two presidential campaigns, actually last three,
00:14:08.640 would make such a statement on his own.
00:14:11.600 President Trump himself has made several statements indicating interest in abolishing the IRS
00:14:16.800 and replacing it with revenue that is collected from tariffs as an external revenue service.
00:14:24.680 In fact, that is how the country was financed up until 1913.
00:14:31.060 When asked by Fox News if he could abolish the income tax,
00:14:34.940 Trump said,
00:14:36.220 there is a way if what I'm planning comes out.
00:14:39.460 Then when podcaster Joe Rogan asked Trump if he was serious about replacing income taxes with tariffs,
00:14:46.320 Trump answered, yeah, sure, why not?
00:14:48.720 Now, back in January 25th, at an event in Las Vegas, Trump said,
00:14:53.260 we're going to go back to the old days.
00:14:55.540 No income tax, just tariffs.
00:14:57.800 It worked before and it can work again.
00:15:00.780 The IRS is a disaster.
00:15:02.620 We don't need it.
00:15:03.860 Tariffs can and we'll fund everything we need and more.
00:15:07.420 I don't think Trump is fooling around.
00:15:09.820 His Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick,
00:15:12.460 amplified this year this idea last week when he said
00:15:15.920 his goal is to abolish the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service
00:15:23.000 and let all of the outsiders pay,
00:15:26.220 suggesting tariffs could generate over $700 billion annually.
00:15:32.280 The IRS collected $823 billion in individual taxes in 2024,
00:15:38.000 that's 52% of federal revenues,
00:15:40.780 while Joe Biden's minuscule tariffs only took in about 2% of federal revenues.
00:15:47.780 I think this is a serious, serious idea.
00:15:52.020 The other big news was the announcement last night by Byron Donalds,
00:15:58.240 the congressman from Florida,
00:16:01.720 that he will be a candidate for governor of the Sunshine State.
00:16:06.840 Speaking last night on Fox News,
00:16:10.440 Donalds said,
00:16:11.680 I arrived in the Sunshine State at 17 years old on a Greyhound bus
00:16:15.800 with a trunk full of clothes and a dream.
00:16:18.900 Now is the time to keep the best state in the country
00:16:21.360 as the best state in the country.
00:16:23.360 And therefore, tonight I am proud to announce my candidacy
00:16:25.920 to be the next governor of Florida.
00:16:30.800 Should he,
00:16:32.040 President Trump actually had endorsed Congressman Byron Donalds
00:16:35.660 the day before in an epic posting on Truth Social,
00:16:42.000 where he said,
00:16:43.120 I am hearing that highly respected Congressman Byron Donalds
00:16:46.660 considering running for governor of Florida.
00:16:48.860 He has now made that announcement.
00:16:50.920 The president said,
00:16:51.680 I know Byron well,
00:16:52.700 having seen him tested at the highest and most difficult levels,
00:16:55.540 and he is a total winner.
00:16:58.100 Byron Donalds,
00:16:58.880 he went on to say,
00:17:00.060 would be a truly great and powerful governor for Florida.
00:17:02.920 He should decide to run.
00:17:04.840 He has now decided to run,
00:17:06.640 and he has the president's complete and total endorsement.
00:17:10.780 Unfortunately, Governor Ron DeSantis,
00:17:13.140 who had been previewing a potential run by his wife,
00:17:18.300 Casey DeSantis,
00:17:19.880 actually attacked Donalds,
00:17:22.780 saying that he was unqualified.
00:17:24.780 How would his wife,
00:17:27.200 who's never held public office or any public position,
00:17:30.480 be qualified when Congressman Donalds is not viewed as qualified?
00:17:35.340 I think this is bitter grapes,
00:17:37.300 because Donald Trump quickly dispatched Governor DeSantis
00:17:41.100 when the ingrate governor who owes his governorship to Donald Trump
00:17:46.600 had the audacity and the ingratitude to run against him.
00:17:51.700 We're going to be watching this race very carefully. 0.98
00:17:54.760 It's going to be one of the most exciting in the country.
00:17:56.960 For all the details,
00:17:58.300 follow us here in the Stone Zone.
00:18:00.680 In the meantime,
00:18:01.620 don't touch that dial,
00:18:03.040 because, well,
00:18:04.160 we'll be right back.
00:18:05.600 We'll be right back.
00:18:35.600 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:18:53.980 I'm not your stepping stone.
00:18:56.580 I'm not your stepping stone.
00:19:11.540 This is the Stone Zone.
00:19:13.740 Now, get in the zone. 0.94
00:19:15.660 It's the Stone Zone.
00:19:17.700 Here's Roger Stone.
00:19:19.300 And you're back in the Stone Zone,
00:19:25.100 here on the Red Apple Audio Network.
00:19:29.000 As I reported earlier in the show,
00:19:32.740 the FBI under Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino
00:19:37.560 has opened an investigation into former FBI Director James Comey's
00:19:42.420 off-the-books honeypot operation,
00:19:45.040 targeting the 2016 campaign of Donald Trump.
00:19:48.100 This comes on the heels of a story that we reported right here
00:19:54.760 on the Red Apple Audio Network some months ago
00:19:57.580 by Washington Times reporter Carrie Pickett,
00:20:00.800 who is the senior congressional reporter for the Washington Times.
00:20:05.180 Carrie Pickett has covered the Hill for other D.C.-based outlets,
00:20:08.400 including the Daily Caller and the Washington Examiner.
00:20:11.560 This is a huge story.
00:20:14.040 When she broke it back in February of 2025,
00:20:18.160 it has now turned into a much bigger national story.
00:20:22.360 I'm delighted to have one of the best reporters in the country,
00:20:26.420 Carrie Pickett, join us here in the Stone Zone.
00:20:28.940 Carrie, welcome.
00:20:30.540 Thank you for having me, Roger.
00:20:31.940 And I hate to correct hosts,
00:20:34.780 but actually I broke this way back in October of 2024.
00:20:39.660 And what's interesting, Roger,
00:20:42.200 is that while a number of individuals on Twitter,
00:20:47.900 or rather X,
00:20:49.380 picked it up and were very excited about it at the time,
00:20:52.560 specifically the day that I broke it on October 29th,
00:20:56.980 people were so enthralled with the throes of the campaign,
00:21:01.560 it didn't get too much pickup.
00:21:04.340 And so then you were kind enough to bring me on the show back in,
00:21:08.800 you know,
00:21:09.800 back in,
00:21:10.660 you know,
00:21:11.280 just a few weeks later.
00:21:14.300 And now here we are.
00:21:16.940 A number of reasons why people are so interested in it now
00:21:20.320 is because now we have a new FBI director in Cash Patel
00:21:23.460 and Deputy Director Dan Bongino,
00:21:26.020 and they're talking about the weaponization of the FBI.
00:21:29.200 And people are wondering,
00:21:30.160 what are the first moves that they were going to make?
00:21:33.320 And I'd like to point out that this isn't necessarily an official investigation,
00:21:36.900 but there were some inquiries into this particular honeypot,
00:21:42.880 or rather off the books,
00:21:45.400 honeypot operation that was launched by James Comey,
00:21:50.320 back in 2015.
00:21:52.660 I stand corrected.
00:21:54.460 You're even better than I think you are.
00:21:57.460 I looking now,
00:21:58.460 I do see that you broke this story earlier,
00:22:00.680 but that it did get kind of lost in the,
00:22:03.900 in the give and take of the presidential campaign.
00:22:07.900 This of course predates the inception of Crossfire Hurricane.
00:22:12.680 And as you point out,
00:22:14.960 it was an off the books operation.
00:22:17.900 James Comey has,
00:22:20.320 back then was accused of spying on the Trump campaign.
00:22:24.160 He denied it.
00:22:24.960 Let's listen to James Comey.
00:22:26.660 With respect to Barr's comments,
00:22:27.740 I really don't know what he's talking about.
00:22:29.640 When he talks about spying on the campaign,
00:22:32.580 it's concerning because
00:22:34.500 the FBI and the Department of Justice conduct
00:22:37.900 court-ordered electronic surveillance.
00:22:41.720 I have never thought of that as spying.
00:22:45.460 Again,
00:22:46.460 we know definitively,
00:22:47.900 based on the final report of Special Counsel John Durham,
00:22:51.640 that the FISA courts were used improperly
00:22:55.840 to authorize spying on President Donald Trump
00:22:58.760 and some of his top aides,
00:23:01.040 including Carter Page,
00:23:02.600 George Papadopoulos,
00:23:03.880 and others.
00:23:05.440 So,
00:23:05.840 but your story predates,
00:23:08.020 I mean,
00:23:08.300 at least in terms of the course of events,
00:23:10.860 predates that.
00:23:12.000 You previously reported that two women operatives 0.98
00:23:14.080 in this so-called honeypot operation in 2016
00:23:17.880 were later moved up higher into the FBI
00:23:21.260 and the CIA.
00:23:22.920 Do you know what these,
00:23:24.620 what kind of activities these women engaged in 1.00
00:23:26.800 and any further update on their whereabouts today?
00:23:30.940 Okay.
00:23:31.560 Well,
00:23:31.980 as you mentioned,
00:23:32.800 obviously one was transferred off to the CIA,
00:23:35.640 so then she could not be used as a witness.
00:23:39.380 Another one that,
00:23:40.960 and I had just a quick update on her,
00:23:43.940 we know that she is a top official
00:23:46.820 at the New York FBI field office.
00:23:52.220 Um,
00:23:52.780 so we know that she's located there.
00:23:55.660 What's also interesting is that
00:23:57.900 this particular,
00:23:59.200 um,
00:24:00.640 operative,
00:24:01.480 who was an undercover,
00:24:03.080 um,
00:24:04.080 FBI employee,
00:24:05.200 who attempted to,
00:24:07.280 uh,
00:24:07.880 infiltrate the, 0.66
00:24:08.900 uh,
00:24:09.400 the,
00:24:09.640 uh,
00:24:09.940 the Donald Trump campaign in 2016,
00:24:11.620 uh,
00:24:12.560 she wasn't even just a, 0.96
00:24:14.540 uh,
00:24:15.100 an undercover operative,
00:24:16.920 uh,
00:24:17.540 but she also was a handler as well during this operation.
00:24:22.560 And we're,
00:24:24.020 and we're beginning to learn that there may not have been just two people.
00:24:28.360 There may have been more.
00:24:29.620 Uh,
00:24:30.500 so that's something to think about.
00:24:33.100 Also,
00:24:33.780 one of the whistleblowers who,
00:24:36.000 uh,
00:24:36.980 who,
00:24:37.600 uh,
00:24:37.740 came forward,
00:24:38.440 uh,
00:24:39.080 gave this information,
00:24:40.440 all this information about this off the books operation to special counsel,
00:24:45.640 John Durham,
00:24:46.780 John Durham,
00:24:47.480 apparently,
00:24:48.400 according to this new disclosure that came forth,
00:24:52.560 uh,
00:24:53.460 yesterday to the Senate judiciary committee,
00:24:55.560 uh,
00:24:56.820 this whistleblower said that,
00:24:58.740 uh,
00:24:59.560 and I'm going to,
00:25:00.940 you know,
00:25:01.520 say he,
00:25:02.180 she,
00:25:02.580 not because I'm,
00:25:03.500 you know,
00:25:04.240 involved with gender neutral pronouns here,
00:25:06.420 but just to mask this,
00:25:08.300 a whistleblower,
00:25:09.200 uh,
00:25:10.020 this,
00:25:10.440 uh,
00:25:10.620 whistleblower said that,
00:25:11.860 uh,
00:25:12.940 you know,
00:25:13.920 they,
00:25:14.320 uh,
00:25:14.560 they,
00:25:14.840 they,
00:25:14.940 they interviewed,
00:25:15.640 with John Durham and John Durham essentially,
00:25:18.640 uh,
00:25:19.320 ignored this whistleblower's information and did not include it in his report.
00:25:25.260 Not,
00:25:25.900 not the first time my lawyers provided,
00:25:28.000 uh,
00:25:28.660 John Durham with absolute forensic evidence,
00:25:31.620 uh,
00:25:32.220 and,
00:25:32.660 uh,
00:25:32.800 sworn affidavits,
00:25:34.040 uh,
00:25:34.360 by Bill Binney,
00:25:35.380 uh,
00:25:36.000 at one time,
00:25:36.940 the central intelligence agency's leading counterterrorism,
00:25:40.900 IT expert that proved definitively that there never was any,
00:25:45.180 online hack of the Democrat national committee that all the forensic evidence,
00:25:50.660 including the download times,
00:25:52.980 uh,
00:25:53.460 of,
00:25:53.860 uh,
00:25:54.080 of,
00:25:54.400 uh,
00:25:54.740 the disclosures,
00:25:55.860 uh,
00:25:56.580 indicated that the material later,
00:25:59.340 presumably published by WikiLeaks had been downloaded to some type of portable
00:26:04.200 disk and taken out the back door.
00:26:06.040 If you will check John Durham's report,
00:26:08.480 he never addresses the claim that the DNC was hacked by Russian intelligence or anyone
00:26:14.940 else for that matter at all,
00:26:16.660 uh,
00:26:17.220 in his report.
00:26:18.460 Uh,
00:26:19.100 and then of course,
00:26:19.780 John Durham,
00:26:20.500 as you know,
00:26:21.540 ultimately,
00:26:22.460 despite the fact that he reports a number of things,
00:26:24.600 we already know that the plot to,
00:26:27.260 uh,
00:26:27.580 to try to entrap Donald Trump in the Russian collusion hoax was born in the Obama oval office
00:26:34.380 that Susan Rice and vice president Joe Biden,
00:26:37.620 among others,
00:26:38.360 including James Comey,
00:26:39.940 who we've talked about today,
00:26:41.120 an FBI director and CIA director,
00:26:43.700 John Brennan's involvement.
00:26:45.080 But in the end,
00:26:46.220 he indicts a guy named Michael Sussman.
00:26:48.800 He's the guy at the very bottom of the totem pole.
00:26:52.660 This is like indicting the guy who's driving the getaway car for double parking while you
00:26:58.280 let the bank robbers get away.
00:27:00.540 In retrospect,
00:27:01.260 I have to believe that the Durham report,
00:27:04.860 uh,
00:27:05.400 was a holding action.
00:27:07.100 Mr.
00:27:07.340 Durham took five long years to reach conclusions that good journalists like yourself and
00:27:13.460 others,
00:27:14.200 uh,
00:27:14.800 had already determined about the entire Russian collusion hoax.
00:27:19.960 Uh,
00:27:20.540 the fact that there's no case file in Comey's operation,
00:27:23.940 keeping it off the books,
00:27:25.180 we've got about,
00:27:26.180 uh,
00:27:26.440 two minutes.
00:27:27.060 How will that factor into the potential prosecution of Comey if that should happen?
00:27:32.520 Well,
00:27:33.300 what's interesting here,
00:27:34.660 and let's,
00:27:35.800 uh,
00:27:35.980 backpedal to my original story is that here you had,
00:27:40.480 uh,
00:27:41.300 James Comey,
00:27:42.240 according to the original disclosure,
00:27:44.860 is that,
00:27:46.560 uh,
00:27:47.540 the,
00:27:48.200 that was at the off the books investigation,
00:27:50.680 uh,
00:27:51.720 which by the way,
00:27:52.540 one of the whistleblowers described as not even an investigation.
00:27:56.240 It was described as a scheme in quote unquote by one of the,
00:28:00.340 one of the whistleblowers that he didn't even,
00:28:03.840 uh,
00:28:04.960 enter it into the FBI's Sentinel system or any FBI system.
00:28:10.740 Didn't even put a case file onto it.
00:28:14.120 Didn't.
00:28:15.020 And usually a case file will then end up being a number.
00:28:18.740 So that's going to be a problem for Comey if they end up, 0.92
00:28:25.800 uh,
00:28:26.160 actually launching an official investigation.
00:28:28.500 Like I said,
00:28:29.020 right now,
00:28:29.420 it's right now they're sort of,
00:28:31.440 uh,
00:28:32.160 curious about this particular story.
00:28:34.900 They're sort of looking into it right now.
00:28:37.740 And the thing here is that if this,
00:28:41.220 if they end up looking at this as sort of a conspiracy,
00:28:44.080 that's a problem.
00:28:45.220 And,
00:28:45.840 you know,
00:28:46.520 now people are wondering,
00:28:47.780 well,
00:28:48.040 hold on a second.
00:28:48.520 Why didn't these FBI whistleblowers come forth before?
00:28:52.400 Well,
00:28:52.600 keep in mind who was hanging around around 2015.
00:28:55.960 Well,
00:28:56.140 you had people like,
00:28:57.220 uh,
00:28:57.980 Andrew McCabe.
00:28:59.040 You had people like Comey.
00:29:01.100 And,
00:29:01.980 uh,
00:29:02.420 I'd like to,
00:29:03.300 uh,
00:29:03.680 you know,
00:29:04.180 talk about even further.
00:29:05.740 Uh,
00:29:06.060 a lot of these executives or,
00:29:08.480 or senior,
00:29:09.180 senior executives over at the FBI,
00:29:11.240 they still have loyalists right now hanging out there over at the Bureau.
00:29:15.540 They're not gone yet,
00:29:16.780 Roger.
00:29:17.520 All right.
00:29:17.880 We're not finished with Carrie Pickett of the Washington Times.
00:29:21.000 Stand by.
00:29:21.660 We'll be right back for more of this bombshell story.
00:29:24.560 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:29:29.020 Not just stepping stones.
00:29:30.380 The Stone Zone.
00:29:32.440 Not just stepping stones.
00:29:34.020 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:29:39.640 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
00:29:56.540 And I'll say this in front of Roger.
00:29:58.140 He's no baby.
00:29:58.800 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
00:30:02.580 Now they treated him very unfairly.
00:30:05.160 Now,
00:30:05.940 get him a zone.
00:30:07.100 It's the Stone Zone.
00:30:09.120 Here's Roger Stone.
00:30:10.680 And we're back in the Stone Zone here at the Red Apple Audio Network.
00:30:16.860 We're talking to Carrie Pickett,
00:30:18.620 the senior congressional reporter for the Washington Times.
00:30:22.380 She is the first reporter in the country to break a huge story,
00:30:26.460 which took an interesting turn today.
00:30:28.580 It was Carrie Pickett who first reported a off-the-books honeypot operation in which FBI Director James Comey sent two female operatives into Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign to infiltrate it. 1.00
00:30:46.580 And the announcement yesterday under the new FBI Director, Kash Patel, and Deputy Director Dan Bongino that they have opened an inquiry into this matter.
00:30:58.380 Before we went to break, Carrie Pickett was making an excellent point that there are still loyalists to the Comey regime within the FBI structure. 1.00
00:31:08.680 Carrie, why don't we pick it up there?
00:31:10.660 Absolutely.
00:31:11.260 Well, while many people are happy, as far as Republicans are concerned, as far as conservatives are concerned, that Kash Patel is the director, that Dan Bongino is now the deputy director,
00:31:25.880 there are still so many within the senior executive service.
00:31:31.340 That's like the top brass among the FBI.
00:31:35.120 Those are like the leaders there, who are James Comey loyalists, who are Andrew McCabe loyalists.
00:31:42.820 Those are Paul Abate loyalists.
00:31:45.120 They are entrenched within the FBI.
00:31:49.100 And I need to make it very clear that they are not gone yet.
00:31:53.880 Some of them were even promoted on the way out the door as far as Paul Abate was concerned.
00:31:59.960 Paul Abate was the deputy director during the Biden years.
00:32:03.840 And many of them were promoted.
00:32:09.620 And many of Christopher Wray, former director of Christopher Wray, many of his loyalists were promoted.
00:32:15.660 And some will say, oh, you know, they're just going to, you know, listen to the next director.
00:32:20.980 Not necessarily.
00:32:22.200 And there are concerns that Kash Patel could be walking into a buzzsaw.
00:32:27.540 So, you know, people are wondering what exactly is going to happen.
00:32:31.740 And I'd like to point out, even before Kash Patel became FBI director and all that brouhaha was happening with Emil Boeve over at the Justice Department.
00:32:46.880 Oh, you know, they're going to fire all these FBI agents for being involved with January 6th and so on and so forth.
00:32:52.480 What happened?
00:32:53.920 Well, you had all these, you know, brass who were saying, well, what's the rank and file?
00:33:02.200 You know, not necessarily.
00:33:04.080 You know, they ended up kind of joining in with the rank and file to kind of protect themselves.
00:33:08.260 So now they're still there.
00:33:09.260 Look, speaking as someone who had 29 heavily armed FBI agents store in my home at six o'clock in the morning, brandishing fully automatic M4 assault weapons when they could simply have contacted my attorney and told them that I was going to be charged.
00:33:26.960 And I could have turned myself in for the first time, nonviolent alleged crime of lying under oath in my voluntary testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, despite the fact that no misstatement I made covered up any underlying crime.
00:33:43.920 In other words, I had no motive to lie.
00:33:46.260 None of my statements were material.
00:33:48.040 But that shock and awe technique, you'll remember, Kerry, we had CNN just coincidentally, she just happened to be 25 feet from my front door when the FBI arrived in 17 armored vehicles, a helicopter and two amphibious units.
00:34:06.380 This cost the taxpayers, by the way, I was able to learn $1.1 million, a made for television CNN moment.
00:34:16.360 It's interesting to me that even on that day, as FBI agents stormed my home and were in my home for the next 13 hours, agents would discreetly look at me.
00:34:27.680 Some would roll their eyes.
00:34:28.940 Others would wink.
00:34:30.720 Others would kind of shrug their shoulders when their supervisors weren't looking.
00:34:35.080 So I believe that there are some good people in the FBI, but the operation was being run out of Washington.
00:34:42.420 And it is my wife still has terrible PTSD over this moment. 0.89
00:34:48.520 And of course, it has it has changed me from being viewed strictly as a hardboiled political operative to actually being a sympathetic figure among some Americans.
00:35:00.580 I think it backfired very badly because, well, I was able to actually raise money for my legal defense.
00:35:08.040 Had they quietly just arrested me, most Americans wouldn't have even known about it.
00:35:13.180 The investigation, as you report, or scheme, as it's referred to, was eventually closed because a major newspaper obtained a photograph of one of the undercover operatives and was about to publish it.
00:35:26.560 But then the FBI press office told that outlet that the photograph was an FBI informant who would be killed if the photograph was publicly released.
00:35:37.340 Was this lie a routine disinformation technique used by the FBI?
00:35:43.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:45.120 This happens all the time, all the time.
00:35:47.760 And very often, the FBI will end up doing this, and there's very little that a publication can do, unfortunately, because what can the publication do?
00:36:07.160 I mean, I mean, in all fairness to that publication, they don't have any information that can say otherwise, you see, and I mean, because the FBI wasn't going to say, oh, yeah, by the way, apparently this is an operation that we're using to go into the Trump campaign and find out information.
00:36:33.880 But now the Senate Judiciary Committee has the full disclosures, and we'll see what they do with it.
00:36:41.760 Final question.
00:36:43.140 Do you think in what is, I think, the greatest single dirty trick in American political history, the illicit use of the authority of the American government to take down a duly elected president, do you think anybody will really finally, at the end of the day, be held responsible?
00:36:59.580 You know, Roger, that's really hard to say.
00:37:06.120 You and I and others before us have so often heard lawmakers and officials say, you know, accountability, accountability, and then we get disappointed.
00:37:20.140 Hopefully, that won't be the case here.
00:37:21.920 Well, I pray that you are right.
00:37:24.820 I want to thank my guest today, Carrie Pickett, the senior congressional reporter for The Washington Times.
00:37:30.400 She broke this bombshell story back in October.
00:37:33.580 She wrote about it again in February, and now it is on the front page of every newspaper in the country.
00:37:40.120 Carrie, thank you so much for joining us in the Stone Zone.
00:37:43.620 Sure thing.
00:37:44.120 Take care, Roger.
00:37:44.580 I just realized that I have passed an important landmark, my Twitter page, which I was banned from in 2017 and then very gratefully reinstated by Elon Musk, now has 800,000 followers.
00:38:04.600 It's interesting because at the time I was banned, I had about 980,000 people following me, and then when I just kind of filled out the forms to be reinstated, never really believing that that would happen, because I'm still banned for life on Facebook and Instagram, when I was reinstated, I had 25,000 followers.
00:38:24.200 Now, I don't know how many of my original followers were bots, but I am most grateful to have my voice back on X.
00:38:33.880 Many, many thanks to Elon Musk.
00:38:36.520 Also must say, I love the idea of cleaning up waste, fraud, and corruption, and those who are screaming the most about it, well, they impress me as people who have something to hide.
00:38:47.980 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:38:50.640 God bless you, and Godspeed.
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