The Stone Zone ｜ 03-05-25
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Donald Trump is a colossus. He is a force of nature. As I watched him speak last night, I couldn t help but marvel about the greatest single political comeback in American history. I believe America is back because Donald Trump is back.
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this is the stone zone with roger stone people love him and respect him roger stone
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now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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this is a roger stone and you're entering the stone zone here on the red apple audio networks
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donald trump addressed the congress last night for the first time since reclaiming the presidency
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trump is a colossus he is a force of nature as i watched him speak last night i couldn't help
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but marvel about the greatest single political comeback in american history but i believe
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america is back because donald trump is back i first met donald trump in 1979 when i was sent to
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new york to organize governor ronald reagan's successful campaign for the president see where
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he swept every delegate in new york state split the connecticut delegates 50 50 with uh connecticut
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native george hw bush as well as sweeping the new jersey delegates in that contest i saw
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almost immediately that donald trump had the size i don't mean the physical size but the stature
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the independence the courage the stamina uh and uh the strength to be not just a great presidential
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candidate uh but a truly great president uh in 2000 his fellow billionaire ross perot uh who had run a
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relatively strong race as a reform party independent candidate in both 1992 and 1996 uh and minnesota
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governor jesse ventura the former professional wrestler who had been elected as a reform party candidate
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uh of that state in an upset both urged donald trump to consider a race for the presidency uh most in the
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mainstream fake news media of the day thought it was a publicity stunt or just trump burnishing his
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brand but in fact uh he spent substantial time thinking about and traveling exploring an independent
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reform party candidacy for president one of the things that attracted him was the fact that
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back in those days under the campaign finance laws trump would have been uh allowed to get
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38 million dollars in general election funding from the public treasury actually from the checkoff
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system on the income taxes which created a fund from which presidential candidates were funded
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38 million dollars in opm to run for president other people's money uh trump made very
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successful trips to the simon wiesenthal uh holocaust museum in los angeles to the
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day of pigs uh museum uh in miami uh and made a foray to visit governor jesse ventura in minnesota
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before he correctly concluded uh that one could not be elected president as a third party or minor party
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candidate that one needed to be either a republican or a democrat trump actually had been a registered
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republican for most of his life as were both of his parents both of whom i knew well uh he only became
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a democrat for two years and that was in the wake of the war uh in iraq which he opposed uh that was
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his way of protesting uh he regretted his support of george w bush uh in that contest uh little did i know
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that by 2016 the time uh and the man met and he was exactly the right man at the right time at a time that
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the american people had very little confidence in all institutions republicans democrats congress uh
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the federal government state governments but most importantly a growing distrust of of establishment
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media what we call legacy media uh last night i think perhaps was trump's finest hour i will note
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that he is the first president there are a lot of firsts with donald trump but he's the first president
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to mention his triumphant election uh he is the first president in a state of the union i should say
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uh to denounce his predecessor but that is trump he is combative uh he doesn't play by any rule book
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but his uh when it comes to politics and uh well he's been incredibly successful i think it was in many
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ways as i say uh his greatest speech trump knew the democrats wouldn't applaud no matter what
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during the president's speech democrats refused to stand up applaud even for a child who was battling
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cancer president trump actually predicted this behavior at the beginning of his speech this is my
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fifth speech to congress i look at the democrats in front of me and i realize there's absolutely nothing
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i can say to make them happy or stand or smile or even applaud nothing i could do i could find a cure
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to the most devastating disease that would wipe out entire nations or announce the answers to the
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greatest economy in history or the stoppage of crime to the lowest levels ever recorded and these people
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sitting right in front of me will not clap will not stand and will not cheer no matter what it's very
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sad it should not be that way i saw elon musk in the crowd last night interesting enough elon musk was
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wearing a suit and tie i've never seen him in a suit and tie previously last week i criticized the
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ukrainian president volodymyr zelinski who despite the fact that we've given him 350 billion dollars
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cannot wear a suit and tie when he either addresses a joint session of congress or when he meets with the
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president of the united states he shows up in a dirty military type a sweatshirt i guess he's an actor
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playing a role but his act is getting very old we saw what happened in the oval office uh is very clear
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that if it is true that zelinski met prior to his meeting with trump with former secretary of state
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anthony blinken former assistant secretary of state for ukraine victoria newland uh the former national
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security advisor susan rice uh senator chris murphy of connecticut bragged about this on his social media
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as well as alexander vindiman the architect of the fake ukrainian collusion impeachment hoax but then
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every one of them are in violation of federal law the logan act specifically says that you cannot
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as an american citizen conduct your own foreign policy and urging zelinski to turn down a peace
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initiative by president donald trump is a textbook example of violation of that law frankly i think
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attorney general pam bondy should investigate and if she can confirm that these talks took place and i
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believe there's video of them uh then i think those democrats should be subjected to a bit of their own
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medicine the president also gave a warm endorsement to doge last night uh giving credit to elon musk for
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creating the department and he discussed the billions in waste and fraud that has discovered
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uh i created the brand new department of government efficiency doge perhaps you've heard of it he
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said of course the democrats in the chamber went crazy discussing discovering the fraud found in
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social security's database trump said over 130 000 people according to the social security database
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are aged over 160 years we have a healthier country than i thought bobby trump said referencing
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secretary of hhs robert f kennedy jr now bernie sanders immediately took to uh social media to say that
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nobody who's 150 or 200 years old is receiving social security it's a lie bernie you don't get it
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somebody is getting that money they're not really 150 or 160 or 200 years old it's fraud they're using
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somebody else's social security number bernie sanders is particularly annoying to me because
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here's a guy who skimmed millions of his dollars he and his wife out of his two presidential campaigns
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in quote unquote media commissions now that is not illegal but my opinion it is unethical unless you disclose
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it to your donors which bernie never did bernie used to criticize billionaires and millionaires now
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i notice he just criticizes billionaires that's because comrade bernie has become a millionaire driving
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a top-of-the-line mercedes and now with three vacation homes bernie favors socialism for thee but not
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for comrade bernie president trump discussed the benefits last night of cutting billions in government
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waste by flashing by slashing all of the fraud waste and theft we can find we will defeat inflation
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bring down mortgage rates lower car payments and gross report prices protect our seniors and put more
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money in the pockets of the american people trump also spoke out against the radical trans agenda last
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night uh he pointed out that he had signed an executive order to ban men from playing in women's
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sports three years ago peyton mcnab was an all-star high school athlete one of the very best preparing
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for a future in college sports but when her girls volleyball match was invaded by a male he smashed the ball
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so hard in peyton's face causing traumatic brain injury that he left her partially paralyzed on her right
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side ending her athletic career forever it was a shot like no one had ever seen before uh peyton was
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in the gallery last night uh and uh she was widely applauded by the republicans the democrats sat on
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their hands trump said i signed an order making the official policy of the united states government there
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are only two genders male and free and female trump then called on congress to take action
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now i want congress to pass a bill permanently banning and criminalizing sex changes on children
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and forever ending the lie that any child is trapped in the wrong body our message to every
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child in america is that you are perfect exactly the way god made you we're going to talk about that
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tsunami of lawfare later on in the show when sam antar who is a investigator of white collar fraud
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joins us but in the meantime you're in the stone zone we've got a lot more so whatever you do
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place now as they treated him very unfairly now get him as all the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back congressman brandon gill of tech introduced a bill to put president donald trump on
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the 100 bill i love this uh he's calling it the golden age accident on the bill saying let's make
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history for some years democrats pushed to replace one of our greatest presidents the president most
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often by the way compared to populist donald trump uh and replace him on the 20 bill with harriet
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tubman not taking against anything away from tubman but i think alec andrew jackson should stay on
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the 20 bill i'd like to see president eisenhower used to be on a silver coin on a dollar bill he was
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one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime we had unprecedented peace and prosperity under ike and
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he tried to warn us about the deep state except for he called it the military industrial complex and
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pointed out that we should be careful about the accumulated power of unelected bureaucrats
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who were in government as well as in the defense contractors in the think tanks uh and in the
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media eisenhower was exactly right today we call it the deep state uh it is uh noted by congressman
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gill when he said president trump has been given is far more a crucial character in american history than
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uh any other uh person being considered uh to be put on our currency this sounds like a great idea to
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me i love the idea of donald trump on the hundred dollar bill uh president trump also announced in
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his speech that illegal border crossings are now at a record low not down 93 percent from the day he took
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office within hours of taking office he said i declared a national emergency on our southern border
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and i deployed the u.s military and border patrol to repel the invasion of our country and what a job
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they've done the president said as a result illegal border crossings last month are down by the lowest
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level ever recorded president trump also honored the memory of lakin riley you remember her she's a
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woman tragically killed by an illegal he noted the very first bill he signed into law as our 47th president
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mandated the detention of all dangerous criminal aliens who threaten public safety this was correctly
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called a very strong and powerful act by president trump uh and he paid homage to uh to uh lincoln hope
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riley the democrats didn't cheer for that either president donald trump has also announced that he
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secured new investments into america uh the president announced that since his election he has secured over
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one trillion dollars in new investments thanks to the president's first america policies
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uh he said they were putting uh 1.7 trillion in new investments into america in just the last few
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weeks the combination of trump's election and his new economic policies that are going over extremely
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well with the american people according to the polling softbank one of the largest uh banks in the world
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announced a 200 billion dollar investment apple announced a 500 billion dollar investment uh it is also
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interesting that a taiwan semiconductor uh said that they were doing a 165 billion dollar investment
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to begin building powerful chips on the most powerful chips on earth right here in the usa so to further
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boost the economy trump announced his plans for slashing bureaucratic red tape he said he would unshackle our
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economy uh and he has directed said this in last night's speech that for every new regulation 10 old
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regulations must be repealed and eliminated this is the donald trump i know and love the president spoke
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about ukraine last night we talked about it earlier in the show uh the president is committed to peace
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his enemies who revel in the uh money laundering the skim uh and the child sex trafficking of which ukraine
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has been a centerpiece uh have vowed to oppose him uh this is going to be something we cover a lot here on the stone
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zone zone but coming up sam antar joins us he is a white collar crime and fraud investigator and he's
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learned some shocking things about new york attorney general latisha james it's all coming up here in the
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this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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you are back in the stone zone and joining me now is sam antar sam is a former certified public
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accountant whose career trajectory took a remarkable turn from perpetrator to investigator
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of financial fraud as the former chief financial officer of crazy eddie you remember them a major
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consumer electronics chain in the northeastern united states in the 1980s antar was a key figure in one
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of the decade's largest security fraud schemes following his criminal conviction and after he paid his
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debt to society sam redirected his expertise towards forensic accounting leveraging his first-hand
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knowledge of financial fraud to help combat white-collar crime particularly by government his unique
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perspective and technical expertise have made him an expert advisor to various clients including government
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agencies law enforcement organizations law firms independent investment research firms hedge funds and
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others i urge you to check out his terrific blog whitecollarfraud.com sam antar has been uh studying the
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public filings and financial disclosures of new york attorney general latisha james and he joins us now
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uh thank you for having me on roger uh sam uh you're back as you are every week with more shocking uh
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uh uh revelations uh and i see that uh the real deal a real estate publication tried to uh tried to mix it up
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with you tried to question your conclusions we'll get to that a little bit later but uh you call uh new york attorney general
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and teacher james a repeat offender saying over the last past decade she's failed to report
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disclose critical financial information including hidden mortgages rental income and so on so
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walk us through your latest uh revelations well the problem with with tish james is every time i think i
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found the got to the bottom of it i find a new bottom um to recap she has two properties
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one in north fork virginia and another property in brooklyn in the north fork virginia property which
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he purchased in august 2020 for approximately 138 000 or so he took a 109 000 mortgage initially it was
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supposed to be a second home but on all of our financial disclosures he listed it as an investment
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property that 109 000 mortgage was never disclosed in the financial disclosures to the to new york state
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then all of a sudden in 2023 two new mortgages appear totaling between 250 to 400 000
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making the total mortgages on that property in norfolk west virginia to be approximately 350 to 509
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thousand dollars however the valuation that she placed on the property in her own disclosures in
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her own words was still 100 to 150 000 so the question is how does she get uh leverage 350 to
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510 000 on the property that's worth at most according to her own words 150 000 even if you go to the tax
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successors roll which which values the property slightly higher at 180 000 that still doesn't
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make up for the uh lopsided uh loan to equity ratio which is approximately two or more times the valuation
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of the property the other item is those two mortgages that she made on her virginia property show up in a
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financial disclosures unlike the 109 000 loan that's when she purchased the home but they don't show up
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on her property records so you have one loan when she bought the property for 109 000 to ovm financial
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that shows up on that that shows up on a property record it doesn't show up on her uh uh financial
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disclosures then you have two other loans totaling 250 to 400 000 that show up on our financial disclosures
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but don't show up on her uh uh property records okay on top of that uh the the um the property showed
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five hundred five thousand dollars in income between one and five thousand dollars in income in the first
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year of ownership in 2020 all of a sudden there's no income during all of those years and she still
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listed as an investment property which gives me segue into the next topic um when i did further research
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i discovered in 2013 a cranes article that said that on her brooklyn property which we haven't discussed
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yet but this will you know transition us on her brooklyn property she had failed to disclose
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rental income for many years so you see an interesting parallel that's why i call her a
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repeat offended now it could be that there was no income on the uh virginia property after the first
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year but the but the other issues remain she has one mortgage that's on the property records not on the
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financial disclosures she has two mortgages on the financial disclosures that are not on her property
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records and she has uh and she has a large amount of of total loans against the value of the property
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two to three times the value of the property which in this world is insane to use the crazy eddie model
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so that is the virginia property the new york property um the problem with that property was
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all of a sudden between 2021 and 2022 she increased the valuation of the property by approximately 42
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52 percent now i remember that year very vividly it was the year of covet okay it was the year of covet
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at that time values properties in brooklyn were going down or slightly higher not in other words there
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was no big spike in the valuation of the property that same year she took an additional um approximately
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four hundred thousand dollars in mortgages once she spiked the value now the amount of mortgages on the
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brooklyn property okay um are far less than the total valuation but what got me was if you look at the pattern
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of the assessed valuations on the property uh in that one year the assessed valuation of the property
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declined about seven percent while the her own valuation of the property increased 40 percent
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i wanted to know why the spike in the valuation of the property was because she took two new loans
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but she seemed to have had adequate equity even without the valuation spike to take two additional loans
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so this thing doesn't make sense and you know listen i don't have subpoena power you don't have
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subpoena power at the end of the day all we can do is look at the financials from public information
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scrutinize them and point out the inconsistencies and that's what i've done
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well we do know that under state law public officials must disclose all mortgages and encumbrances
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on reportable real estate under section 73a of the new york public officers law elected officials
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must file sworn annual statements disclosing all real estate holdings except personal residences
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that don't generate income all sources of income exceeding one thousand dollars and all debts exceeding
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ten thousand dollars these by the way are not as you point out optional formalities but
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legal statements signed under penalty of perjury false statements can constitute a class a misdemeanor
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under new york state law punishable by up to a year in jail uh it's interesting the other day uh
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there was almost no reporting a woman by the name of uh sophia quintara i think i've pronounced that right
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uh filed uh a lawsuit in 2022 against attorney general leticia james and her chief of staff claiming
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that she had been sexually assaulted by the chief of staff uh and that james had covered it up uh james
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moved to have the suit dismissed that was roughly two years ago uh then last late last week it appears
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that although the suit itself was not dismissed the charges or the claims against leticia james
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herself were dismissed uh when i reported on this uh your comment was that is the least of her problems
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uh sam you looked into leticia james campaign finance filings you found other questionable things
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i'm sorry i i over i spoke over you i apologize um five thousand dollars in change uh last summer
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she spent on cab rides in martha vineyard and the way i would just rent the goddamn car for that
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matter you only five thousand dollars for car ride for cab rides i don't spend that in a year and i
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live in new york and i don't even own a car i mean that that that was irregularity number one
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in prior years she likes she spent a lot of time in martha's vineyard and she even invited a staff there
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for a retreat now that was on campaign money not taxpayer money but it just shows you the pattern of
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lavish spending and irresponsible spending that that she's doing technically speaking you're not
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allowed to use campaign funds for personal purposes that creates a taxable event that requires income
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to be reported okay again i don't have access to a tax return but those better be on our tax returns
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anything that's deemed to be a personal expense that she that that she spent the campaign money on
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it's a taxable event and of course there's the campaign financing laws that she may have violated
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there's all kinds of stuff but the big point is is her whole financial history is one big muck there's
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nothing that it's just it's just a pile of s-h-i-t to put it bluntly in new yorker language
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well remember her own words she said no one is above the law and the rule of law must apply equally to
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everyone i think it's time as you say to ask does it really apply to her the the investigator chris
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gleason has done an excellent job investigating the contributions that flowed to her campaign
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for attorney general through the democrat payment processing company act blue now it's interesting
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that on act blue during this period of fundraising they turned off the function where an individual
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can make a contribution without matching the credit card number with the billing address
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what gleason and his team of investigators have done is to visit individual donors working off the
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campaign finance records to confirm that they gave to letitia james not once not twice but in some
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cases as many as 10 12 15 times in a pattern of donations about 60 percent of those who have been
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willing to uh to submit to interviews say that they never heard of letitia james and they made no
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campaign contribution uh to her campaign uh there are 19 uh attorney generals already investigating
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this uh because it not only affected her campaign but those those of uh senator raphael not warnock of
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georgia uh congresswoman val demings of florida who raised 37 million dollars for her race against uh
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incumbent marco rubio now your secretary of state there's a troubling pattern of fraud here this is
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money laundering money laundering money laundering into the campaign of democrat candidates uh including
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letitia james ultimately there will be a full report of this we'll see if the new york post who did not
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cover the story last week about the uh dismissal of charges uh against james uh in the sexual assault
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matter covers this matter uh folks you're listening to roger stone here in the stone zone on the red apple audio
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networks we're talking to sam antar uh a white collar crime and fraud investigator and we'll be right back
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this is the stone zone with roger stone not just stepping stone the stone zone
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this is the stone zone roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in the office
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and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place
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now as they treated him very unfairly now get him a zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back our guest is sam antar the former crazy eddie cfo turned forensic accountant
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after his metamorphosis from wall street criminal to fraud investigator he runs a website
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whitecollarfraud.com i commend it to you it is meticulously researched uh and uh most illuminating
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uh sam you had a comment regarding the lawsuit uh regarding sexual assault that was dismissed uh in
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some cases last week yes um with my limited knowledge of jailhouse law because i was a jailhouse
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lawyer who speaks just kidding um when the case is brought the defendants generally file what's known
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as a motion to dismiss saying that even if i did everything that you said i did right it still doesn't
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violate the law so it's basically the case was dismissed on the technicality of the law that doesn't
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mean that the allegations against her are untrue okay that would come out in discovery okay um as she
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has to testify in depositions or a trial and the case can always be amended to bring it back into the case
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based upon that subsequent information so she is not out of the woods and that does not exonerate her
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it just means that she that that case against her on the technicalities of the law doesn't deploy it's
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so amazing to me when this lawsuit was first filed there's very scant coverage of it in the new york
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media now such coverage should certainly have included the attorney general's denials
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or any statement she wants to make but the media blackout about this uh is really quite extraordinary
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it's a case i'm going to be watching very carefully sam when you came out with your
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most recent uh revelations regarding attorney general latisha james uh a real estate publication
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the real deal uh really published an attack on you which seemed to me they were just running cover
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for tish uh a piece by eric enquist uh really went after you but well because you are who you are you
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pushed back tell us about this well my policy is is to push back because i don't take from no one
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excuse the language they wrote an article that totally mischaracterized what i was saying in my
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reporting they didn't contact me beforehand they didn't let me know that an article was coming
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they didn't give me a chance to explain all they did was they claimed that what the research they've done
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was that tish james evaded real estate taxes which is not the case they also complained that i that i
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didn't know the law of real estate taxes in new york that assessments uh don't always follow market
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values uh and that uh the market values attributed to properties by the property tax department doesn't
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follow market values uh that that that uh in the general market all kinds of stuff but the key the
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matter of the thing is my research was about tish james violating laws pertaining to her it was a section
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73a laws pertaining to her personal finances and the proper disclosures okay whether i referenced
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the assessed value has no bearing on the total argument that i'm making so what they basically
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did they they made this straw man argument claiming that i was talking about real estate taxes where
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that was just a small part of an overall equation relating to the entire story and then they call
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me a fraudster yes i was a fraudster but i'm not a fraudster now and um attacks like that don't go
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don't go uh unpunished so i went back and i went back after them and i went line by line in my blog
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and i that i detailed what they said that was wrong and i rebutted every single word that they had to
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say if they want to run interference with tish james shame on them it shows that they're not a media outlet
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it shows they're just a bunch of cronies who only care about access to power rather than challenging
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power what the media is supposed to build yeah you i must say you posted a very very
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line-by-line detailed rebuttal uh to this piece this piece is what is known in politics as a contract
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this was a contract uh leticia james i think is yeah she leticia james i think the ag is she's running
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scared she's being sued by the federal government she and governor hochel for their unwillingness to
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cooperate in federal law when it comes to the deportation of illegal immigrants uh she finds
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people digging into not only her city campaign financing uh where i suspect she may may have done
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the same thing mayor eric adams is accused of which is to say taking straw donors whose money is
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really not theirs and running it through the city's eight to one uh campaign finance matching fund uh we
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shall see also the the we're digging in deep investigators on her financing of her campaign for
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attorney general let me thank our guest sam antar uh he has a great blog at once we get this exactly
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right it is a white collar fraud dot com white collar fraud dot com folks check it out uh sam antar
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is the real deal and he backs up everything he says we're happy to have had him today in the stone
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zone zone until tomorrow god bless you and god speed