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00:00:22.140 welcome this is roger stone and you are entering the stone zone in what could be a day that changes

00:00:32.440 the course of american history yes today is the day that president trump's order to declassify

00:00:39.880 and make public all of the public records regarding the assassination of president john f kennedy

00:00:46.500 comes to fruition this is one of the most important acts of the trump administration

00:00:52.180 and how they handle the disclosure of the jfk files could be a bombshell depending on how they

00:01:00.740 proceed one of the most insidious lies spouted by defenders of the status quo and the now fatally

00:01:09.600 flawed warren commission investigation is that agencies like the fbi the cia the atf the irs

00:01:19.240 and others including the secret service have over the years kept documents pertinent to the kennedy

00:01:30.100 assassination from the jfk assassination records archive these bureaucracies were designed from

00:01:38.840 their inception to not only attack our constitutional freedom but to stifle the democratic process when

00:01:45.600 it comes to full disclosure that's why i believe that the kennedy files along with the files pertaining

00:01:53.340 to the assassination of senator robert f kennedy of new york dr martin luther king uh be fully and

00:02:02.520 completely transparent uh i don't want to see bureaucrats playing games uh trying to hide facts from the

00:02:11.480 american people therefore i suggested that the president direct all federal agencies including the cia

00:02:18.520 the fbi the state department the department of defense and the internal revenue service to review

00:02:24.840 all of their materials in their position and to trimet transmit all remaining records relating to the

00:02:32.660 assassination of president kennedy and the others to the archivist of the united states see that would

00:02:39.500 make it impossible for rogue bureaucrats to hide crucial information pertaining to kennedy's assassination

00:02:46.560 and to root out any i don't know bureaucratic shell game that may be played among deep state loyalists who want to

00:02:55.560 keep the american public in the dark then the president needs to direct the archivist the united states

00:03:01.320 to remove all redactions from the documents in the president john f kennedy assassinations record collection

00:03:09.940 the washington dc swamps loves to release documents particularly those requested under the freedom of

00:03:16.980 information act draped in black ink as a slap in the face to transparency and accountability this cannot be

00:03:25.220 allowed to happen again after eight years of russiagate and the coordinated attacks on trump the public knows the

00:03:33.380 criminal nature of some in their federal government and i think the american people are finally ready

00:03:39.300 to hear the ugly truth the president needs to rescind the current transparency plan for the kennedy

00:03:46.180 assassination documents which resulted in the continued stonewalling by federal agencies

00:03:51.940 like the cia in the 1970s after oliver stone's movie jfk was released there was a public outcry for more

00:04:01.940 information regarding the information regarding the kennedy assassination the house select committee on

00:04:08.820 assassinations was set up to reopen the investigation into the murder of jfk the central intelligence agency

00:04:17.700 however completely and totally refused to cooperate they would turn over no documents they would provide no one to testify

00:04:27.060 the cia jfk the cia jfk transparency plan of the time was designed as a framework that purposely slows down and

00:04:36.740 blocks the flow of pertinent information it must be scrapped entirely for today's disclosures to be successful

00:04:45.460 then the president needs to direct the archivist of the united states to utilize available resources at the national

00:04:52.180 archives to collect compile and prepare everything that was to be released today hard headlines deadlines

00:05:00.900 should have been met by now however will they produce this in a database which is easily searchable

00:05:09.780 it's not incidental that in 2017 which was the date set by the 1994 kennedy assassinations at records act

00:05:20.420 uh it was cia director mike pompeo who persuaded president donald trump to hold back 20 percent of this vital

00:05:32.180 material now ask yourself why would the head of the cia want to withhold this information from the american

00:05:40.420 people at the time cia director pompeo said it was to protect the sources and methods of his agency

00:05:50.660 well let's be honest all the sources are dead this had happened more than 60 years ago and as for the

00:05:57.300 methods well if our central intelligence agency was involved in the murder of an american president

00:06:05.380 then we need to know about it we have to hope that the president has ordered the full release to the american

00:06:13.540 people without redactions now once these documents are released and put into an archive that can be

00:06:20.740 searched and analyzed the public could then crowdsource their analysis with bloggers and citizen journalists

00:06:27.780 making history and figuring out the goriest details then i hope the president will assign a senior white 0.70

00:06:34.980 house staff member to monitor the process and ensure that there has been full compliance with the

00:06:41.060 president's executive order i also hope the president will establish an independent oversight board

00:06:47.220 to ensure agency compliance i have always thought that someone like well robert f kennedy jr or even

00:06:56.260 general michael flynn should head an oversight board to ensure that all of the disclosures have been

00:07:04.260 complete and that nothing has been held back we won't know uh until uh i would say a few days whether

00:07:13.300 they have met the president's order for full disclosure my interest in this all really came from a

00:07:21.140 conversation that i had with former president richard nixon in his post-presidential days

00:07:28.500 nixon of course was famous for his love of a good martini uh his was known as a silver bullet uh i'll give you

00:07:39.140 his recipe coming up uh but it was after a couple of his notoriously uh cold and excellent martinis and then

00:07:48.820 i asked the former president directly mr president i said who really killed kennedy the president stared into

00:07:56.980 his martini for a moment then looked up at me and said let me say this the warring commission was the

00:08:03.700 biggest goddamn hoax in american history i said pardon me sir i i don't understand he said well let me put 0.89

00:08:11.860 it to you this way linden and i both wanted to be president but i wasn't willing to kill for it uh and

00:08:20.100 there you have it now more recently tucker carlson played an unearthed audio tape of president richard

00:08:30.020 nixon in the early days of watergate in the oval office talking to cia director richard helms nixon is

00:08:39.460 already under pressure and he's essentially letting helms know that he may need the assistance of the cia

00:08:47.220 to extract himself he says uh paraphrasing uh look a lot of dirty business is going on over there

00:08:55.220 meaning at the cia i think he is referring at first to the toppling of the government of guatemala

00:09:02.180 which our government took down in a coup but then he just blurts it out when helms pretends to not know

00:09:09.860 what nixon is referring to nixon says and i quote look i know who shot john well there you have it

00:09:19.620 it was that uh exchange with former president nixon that convinced me and motivated me to write my

00:09:28.020 2015 book uh the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj i took that book to six different

00:09:37.780 publishers every one of them told me that it was not commercially viable uh that i would never make

00:09:46.100 any money it became a new york times best-selling book virtually overnight i'm glad that they only

00:09:52.660 printed 25 000 copies in the first printing because well thanks to my editor it was rife with typographical

00:10:00.420 errors uh and therefore when we reordered i was able to correct most of them by the way folks if you

00:10:08.340 decide to look for the book don't get the hardcover edition get the paper back because i added three

00:10:15.300 additional chapters uh but my theory is uh much broader you see many of the jfk researcher community

00:10:26.100 members look at the kennedy assassination through an individual prism so those for example who are

00:10:33.220 experts in organized crime will tell you that the mob was responsible for the murder of kennedy others

00:10:40.260 such as james douglas who wrote a terrific book jfk and the unspeakable a book often cited by robert f

00:10:49.780 kennedy jr uh in his conclusions about who killed his uncle uh comes at it strictly from the point of

00:10:56.100 view of the central intelligence agency well it's true that the cia felt double-crossed by kennedy in

00:11:04.260 his conduct of the bay of pigs invasion of cuba uh they also knew in real time that the public story

00:11:13.060 that had been fed to the american people regarding the cuban missile crisis was a false narrative no

00:11:21.700 brave jack and bobby kennedy did not face down nikita khrushchev who removed his missiles 90 miles from our

00:11:30.420 shore in fact a secret deal was made in which we removed our nato missiles from italy and turkey

00:11:38.100 changing the balance of power in europe uh in return for a deal to remove the russian-made missiles 0.99

00:11:47.780 from cuba but that agreement included no on-site inspections so we did not know for decades whether

00:11:57.300 the missiles had ever really been removed and then of course there are those who say that the mob was

00:12:05.940 completely responsible uh in fact ambassador joseph kennedy john kennedy's father had convened a meeting of

00:12:15.140 the mob chieftains uh had gotten a one million dollar contribution which in 1959 is a lot of money but in

00:12:24.740 return a new kennedy justice department was supposed to end the deportation uh proceedings regarding carlos

00:12:34.340 marcelo the mob chieftain who ran the mafia in texas and louisiana as well as santo traficante who ran

00:12:44.980 the organized crime operations in florida after ambassador joseph pete kennedy was stricken with a

00:12:53.060 debilitating stroke and after attorney general robert kennedy pursued the deportation proceedings against the

00:13:03.140 mob they felt betrayed and they most definitely play a role in the murder of jfk the new movie put out by

00:13:13.220 paramount what the parkland doctors saw establishes without any question uh that john f kennedy was shot

00:13:22.980 from both the front and the back which means of course multiple shooters that in turn uh means that there

00:13:32.260 was a conspiracy so uh they were all involved the cia uh the mob big texas oil that was opposed to uh

00:13:44.340 kennedy's efforts to repeal the oil depletion allowance but the man running the show on the ground the major

00:13:54.420 progenitor of the conspiracy to kill president john f kennedy was the man next in line as latin say

00:14:04.100 cui bono when we come back i'll tell you why lyndon baines johnson was the man at the helm of the effort

00:14:12.500 to kill jack kennedy this is the stone zone and we'll be right back this is the stone zone with roger

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00:15:03.540 this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone

00:15:11.700 welcome back to the stone zone like most americans we anxiously await the full disclosure of all the

00:15:23.540 classified records regarding president john f kennedy's murder uh the central thesis of my 2015 book uh was

00:15:34.980 2013 book pardon me was that lyndon baines johnson was the lynchpin of a conspiracy that involved the

00:15:41.540 cia organized crime in big texas oil among others all to bring down john f kennedy i cite fingerprint

00:15:49.940 evidence eyewitness evidence and deep texas politics to make my case uh we will be parsing

00:15:58.340 the information put out by the government and bring it to you here uh on the stone zone in the meantime

00:16:07.140 i'm not sure if you are familiar with the practice of swatting that is when somebody calls the police

00:16:14.660 and reports some uh heinous crime or violent action going down at your home uh when there is no such

00:16:23.700 thing uh and the police converge on your home putting you in a potentially life-threatening situation

00:16:31.700 last friday the fbi director cash patel spoke out against this trend which seems to be disproportionately

00:16:38.740 against conservative commentators that is people calling in these false political reports in order

00:16:46.260 to send the police to their homes uh patel said i want to address the alarming rise in these swatting

00:16:52.420 incidents targeting particularly media figures the fbi is aware of this dangerous trend and my team and i

00:17:00.180 says patel are already taking action to investigate and hold those responsible accountable this isn't

00:17:07.700 about politics he noted weaponizing law enforcement against any american is not only morally reprehensible

00:17:15.140 but it also endangers lives including those of our officers that will not be tolerated we are fully

00:17:23.300 committed to working with local law enforcement to crack down on these crimes so folks

00:17:30.100 let me say this is extraordinarily dangerous uh and those who have swatted a number of my friends

00:17:38.500 this behavior is criminal you will get prosecuted if you got caught whether it's gunther eagleman or cat

00:17:45.380 turd or sean farash or my good friend joe pegs or a reporter nick sortar or tim pool all of these

00:17:56.020 conservative influencers have been swatted it is heinous it is illegal it is dangerous coming up next

00:18:03.780 david shown criminal defense lawyer talking to us about the various federal judges ruling that donald trump

00:18:10.820 cannot make america great again and pursue his policies whatever you do don't touch that dial

00:18:17.540 we'll be right back with legal bingo david shown

00:18:21.060 this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone

00:18:43.220 and we're back maybe we should entitle this segment judges gone wild joining us in my opinion one of

00:18:54.660 the great legal minds in the united states today criminal defense attorney david shown who very

00:19:00.260 ably represented president donald trump in one of the impeachment proceedings he's a criminal defense

00:19:07.060 lawyer and uh often a guest on our show i don't think there's anybody in the country whose legal

00:19:13.300 opinion i respect more uh david welcome to the show thank you very much always a great pleasure and honor

00:19:20.820 to be on it so a judge bozberg the u.s district judge in dc uh has ruled that president trump can't

00:19:30.100 deport illegals uh steven miller advisor to the president clashed with the host on cnn

00:19:36.900 last night let's play this brief clip when you when you say that this person has no authority at all

00:19:42.980 this is how our system works it starts with these judges and then continues up at what point does it

00:19:50.020 become in your view legal for the justice system to be looking at this and making a judgment and i i

00:19:57.380 fail to see how there's any other way but to start with where we're starting here before you get to

00:20:02.580 eventually the supreme court well so first of all there's a there's a term in law justiciable

00:20:08.100 this is not justiciable in other words this is not subject to judicial remedy when the president is

00:20:13.300 exercising his article two powers to defend the country against an invasion or to repel a foreign

00:20:20.100 terrorist that is unlawfully in the country he's exercising his core article two powers as commander

00:20:25.620 in chief is venezuela invading the u.s this is this is a very important point this is a title 50

00:20:31.060 authority it's a commander in chief authority so just to ask you a simple question you you talk about

00:20:35.620 how the system works does a district court judge have the right to direct or enjoin troop movements

00:20:42.900 overseas yes or no uh well steven my question i don't know if you can answer my question in other

00:20:48.260 words the is venezuela is venezuela invading our country in a way that would t t t d a so under the 0.79

00:20:54.660 so i'll answer yours and you'll answer mine under the terms of the statute train deruagua is an alien

00:21:00.660 enemy force that has come here as detailed at length in the proclamation at the direction of the

00:21:08.340 venezuelan government the statute says that a president has the ability to repel an invasion or predatory

00:21:15.540 incursion that is directed by a state or a government right are they a state or a government this would be

00:21:20.660 yes it is it is documented the the t d a was sent by the venezuelan government in the proclamation

00:21:26.580 and here's an even more important point under the constitution who makes that determination

00:21:31.380 a district court judge elected by no one or the commander-in-chief of the army and navy

00:21:36.100 the president and the president alone makes a decision of what triggers that decision

00:21:42.340 all right quite an exchange david shown your opinion of

00:21:46.740 judge bozberg's order that trump cannot deport illegals okay i'd like to just digress for one

00:21:54.660 second though since we're talking about stephen miller and his challenges with uh fox news and

00:21:59.460 others uh the best part was when he said andrew weissman is an absolute moron uh and lawless uh actor

00:22:06.980 i couldn't help but throw that in boy do i since he since he wrote my indictment uh which was a frame

00:22:14.740 job boy do i agree with that we can come back to mr weissman here in a minute but i heartily agree okay

00:22:22.260 i i wouldn't have been able to resist either go ahead thank you um stephen miller's point is a very

00:22:30.020 interesting constitutional point and what's happening here is the media is passing over it completely it's

00:22:36.260 not like it is a radical theory the idea that a president of the united states in his executive

00:22:42.660 power has the exclusive right to determine uh whether there's been a predatory predatory incursion

00:22:49.620 or not um is a pretty solid constitutional principle let me tell you there's a case from 1996

00:22:56.100 from the second circuit in which it's sort of the opposite of this new york state senators were suing the

00:23:01.300 federal government to say we've got this huge influx of immigrants here and you're not paying 1.00

00:23:05.940 your fair share to meet our expenses and they sued under the invasion clause and the court in that

00:23:12.260 case the united states court of appeals to the second circuit said um the invasion clause is non-justiciable

00:23:18.180 the protection of the states from invasion involves matters of foreign policy and defense

00:23:22.740 which are issues that the courts have been reluctant to consider i just want to i don't want to bore you

00:23:27.060 with sites but i have to say this the fifth circuit united states court of appeals for the fifth circuit

00:23:32.100 in 2024 considered this issue and what they noted is five judges in dissenting opinion but they said

00:23:39.220 the majority opinion considered this also they said that uh u.s house of representatives recently

00:23:45.220 passed a resolution that the united states in the midst of the worst border security crisis in the

00:23:49.860 nation's history historic border crisis senior former fbi agent said there's an invasion of the

00:23:56.020 homeland unfolding now be difficult to overstate the danger present represented and finally the court

00:24:02.420 cites to a number of sources that recognize the idea that the panel's respectful treatment of the state's

00:24:09.700 defense is understandable considering the broadly held concern that migration can be weaponized by one

00:24:16.260 sovereign to inflict on another so here president trump found the trend del agua is a de facto government

00:24:23.860 it's a sort of militarized force if you would a gang with guns drugs etc that purposely invaded the united states

00:24:32.260 whether one agrees with it or not it is a prerogative of the president to make those kinds of findings

00:24:37.540 that's how the argument goes and that's why they're saying it's a just non-justiciable

00:24:42.420 political question um now ordinarily the way those things are decided is a court decides whether it's political

00:24:49.700 question or not and you have a court of appeals you decided i was on the opposite side of this issue

00:24:53.780 in the zivotoski case that's the supreme court in an amicus brief i did and there under the obama

00:24:58.900 administration they found that it was exclusively the executive's prerogative to decide that someone

00:25:05.220 born in jerusalem israel was not really born in israel so it's interesting to me judge bozberg as you

00:25:12.980 know uh replaced the retiring judge beryl howell i always wondered about her ruling in which she 0.99

00:25:19.700 compelled donald trump's lawyers uh in the so-called documents case to testify against their client that

00:25:28.980 would seem to me to be a clear violation of the sixth amendment what say you i think beryl howell uh amy

00:25:37.220 jackson um i mean berman jackson and a couple of others over there are some of the judges that have

00:25:45.300 i i think it's what motivates president trump to react the way he does often it is as if and i don't

00:25:51.140 say this lightly because that was a once great court and there's still some great judges there but it is

00:25:55.860 as if all you have to do is mention the name trump or something associated with trump and you can predict

00:26:00.900 how their decision will come out it's not as if it's a true fact it seems that's my experience at least

00:26:06.260 and i think she was dead judge howell was dead wrong in that decision i think it was a clear sixth

00:26:11.860 amendment violation uh you know the case eventually went away so uh so it won't be decided but i thought

00:26:18.420 that would be that was reversible error in that documents case if ever it came to that point

00:26:24.180 it is interesting you also have uh judge chuang who's ruled that trump can not end usaid now usaid

00:26:33.700 uh was never actually uh signed into law never proposed by the congress never signed by the

00:26:40.660 president usaid uh was formed based on an executive order from president john f kennedy

00:26:48.260 uh and its original purposes i think were quite noble the idea was to help countries in central and

00:26:56.020 south america who were fighting against communism this has morphed into a slush fund uh in which

00:27:05.540 not not millions not trillions or not billions but trillions of dollars have flowed to these

00:27:12.100 non-government organizations these non-profits almost every one of which of one is set up for some

00:27:19.860 political purpose yet the judge has ruled that the president does not have the authority to close

00:27:26.820 usaid down david what do you think uh it's another norm eisen case i'm sure you noticed you know norm

00:27:34.340 eisen made a career the first trump administration and since then of challenging everything every move

00:27:40.580 president trump makes he was behind some of the model indictments that he encouraged the justice

00:27:45.700 department of bringing against president trump um the number of conflicts i thought um in these

00:27:51.140 cases but anyway uh i think the judge is wrong uh i think he's wrong on his appointments clause

00:27:57.460 decision that is that since uh musk was never appointed officially by the president and uh i'm

00:28:03.540 nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate uh and he should be considered a superior

00:28:07.700 officer therefore he doesn't have the authority to do the things he's doing the government has made

00:28:12.260 clear the president's prerogative to consider musk an advisor and to follow his advice if that's what

00:28:18.260 he chooses to do and that amy gleason whoever is running the usa id can follow his advice and do

00:28:24.500 whatever he says to do um if that's in their wisdom what they think i think it's exclusively within the

00:28:30.020 executive power i do not see this as a separation of powers issue quite the opposite and i don't think

00:28:35.780 anybody else would either if somebody other than donald trump were president david you have raised a

00:28:41.860 very interesting point in our private conversations about the extent of executive privilege uh walk us

00:28:50.340 through that well there's a you know a series of opinions that uh come down from the office of legal

00:28:57.780 counsel on the extent and breadth of uh executive privilege um the correct view is that the president

00:29:05.780 is entitled to consult well let me tell you the incorrect view okay the incorrect view that by those who

00:29:10.500 would try to narrow it and they only did so president trump as president would be to say that it only applies

00:29:18.820 to conversations the privilege only applies to conversations between the president and high-ranking

00:29:24.340 executive branch officials there's absolutely no basis in the constitution for construing it that way

00:29:30.180 first of all when the president uh invokes executive privilege it's presumptively valid

00:29:35.460 uh but secondly the president of united states is entitled to consult with whoever he or she intends

00:29:42.180 or wishes to consult with and so for example if uh the president wants to call in the ceo of a major

00:29:48.340 company to talk about the economy and he doesn't want those discussions to be shared publicly the president

00:29:54.100 has every right to keep those confidential and maybe more importantly to ensure the executive that his

00:29:59.380 thoughts will be kept confidential um and so here i think it's very important that this be straightened

00:30:06.260 out uh within the justice department there should be an office of legal counsel opinion directly on it

00:30:11.460 there are some that touch on the subject there was one regarding the appointment of the united states

00:30:16.020 attorneys and whether uh discussions between the president and non-executive branch members

00:30:21.220 be privileged olc found that it was but that it marginalized would fight through some efforts

00:30:26.900 so they have to make clear now the president has an absolute right to consult whoever he wants to

00:30:32.260 consult with and has the right to invoke executive privilege as to those discussions um that's how

00:30:38.820 the business of the country is done whether it's a matter of national security the economy some other issue

00:30:44.260 of public interest the president must be able to ensure anyone who with whom he speaks that their

00:30:49.860 discussions can be kept confidential and he can act on that advice knowing that he's able to get

00:30:54.900 confidential advice uh david did you see the president's uh speech to the department of justice i i like

00:31:02.180 you i was delighted that he raised the questions of norm eisenberg as well as uh andrew weissman the msnbc

00:31:11.380 legal commentator who we know throughout his career covered up mob murders uh was uh hid evidence

00:31:20.340 and sent men to prison essentially for life uh on the basis of fabricated uh evidence and

00:31:27.940 withholding of exculpatory evidence was unanimously overturned by the u.s supreme court uh in the enron case

00:31:36.980 although he talks endlessly about the enron cases it is some gold standard of uh legal jurisprudence uh a man

00:31:45.300 who knew when he was general counsel of the fbi that the steel dossier was a fraud but used it nonetheless

00:31:54.100 as the rationale for the mother investigation the greatest single abuse of power in american history 0.96

00:32:02.100 nothing less than the use of the full authority of the u.s government to try to overturn uh the election

00:32:09.300 of a duly elected president uh when we come back uh we're going to talk about uh your experience uh with

00:32:16.420 mr weissman uh and whether there will ever be uh an accounting uh to me this record uh is beyond belief

00:32:25.860 the gateway pundit did a 14 piece uh a series on andrew weissman but don't try to find it on google folks

00:32:34.500 because it won't come up in their search engine uh search engine very very strange you're listening

00:32:41.540 to roger stone on the stone zone we're talking to david shown uh internationally known criminal

00:32:48.500 defense lawyer one of the great legal minds in the united states today uh i want to pick up on the other

00:32:54.340 side on mr weissman and also his outlook in some of the other high profile cases uh currently before

00:33:01.380 the justice department whatever you do folks don't touch that dial because we'll be right back

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00:34:42.820 and we're back we're talking to david shown criminal defense attorney uh david you have clashed in court with

00:34:52.100 andrew weissman who was the de facto head of the muller investigation that despite the fact that

00:35:00.020 he knew all the way back to the time that he was the general counsel of the fbi that the

00:35:04.420 so-called steel dossier was a fraud paid for by hillary clinton uh tell us about your experience with mr

00:35:11.380 weissman you know you mentioned the mother commissioner i have to say mr muller who had had a distinguished

00:35:16.180 career lost all credibility with anybody who knows anything about andrew weissman when he appointed

00:35:21.060 him to be the de facto head of his committee um andrew weissman in my opinion uh having long

00:35:26.340 experience with uh him and his handiwork is the most ethically bankrupt prosecutor uh that i have

00:35:32.580 ever encountered in a long career um because of andrew weissman the justice department and his

00:35:38.100 colleagues by the way uh colleagues um uh had to redo the entire uh set of rules for dealing with

00:35:45.780 confidential informants um uh for the fbi and that's because in particular of a series of cases

00:35:52.660 andrew weissman helped lead in the eastern district of new york in brooklyn they were cases arising out

00:35:58.100 of uh so-called colombo family organized crime um and a so-called war within that family it turns out

00:36:05.300 we know now and knew back then to some degree that the war was fomented by a confidential informant who

00:36:12.020 was the underboss of the colombo family who was in the employee of the government who had a corrupt

00:36:16.740 relationship an fbi agent named linda vecchio was operating under weissman's guidance we now have

00:36:23.780 for example so many defendants were uh uh convicted originally once that evidence came out of the

00:36:30.260 corrupt relationship that had been withheld um in 48 jurors who heard the cases in four different cases

00:36:36.900 acquitted the defendants based on the government misconduct under weissman's watch um since then

00:36:42.900 more evidence has come forward um a judge in the eastern district of new york judge corman has written

00:36:48.260 extensively about the misconduct but even at the time just a few years after the initial misconduct

00:36:54.260 by weissman the chief judge of the eastern district of new york judge siftman issued an opinion in which

00:36:59.860 he named weissman and referred to his myopic view of his ethical responsibilities suggested the

00:37:05.300 matter be turned over the bar authorities after he issued that opinion weissman's boss the united

00:37:10.900 states attorney eastern district in time wrote a letter to chief judge siftman saying please take

00:37:15.380 andrew weissman's name out of the opinion you could hurt his career and judge siftman complied and took

00:37:20.580 his name out i have a copy of both orders and the letter it's shocking but i think that's part of what

00:37:25.460 gave weissman the license to think he could proceed this way right now i represent two defendants a guy

00:37:31.060 named vicarina 91 years old in prison terminally ill alzheimer's been in prison over 30 years um

00:37:38.820 judge will not release him from prison as the government still doesn't concede uh all of the

00:37:43.860 misconduct that happened and a man named michael sessa has also served more than 30 years in michael

00:37:49.060 sessa's case um he was accused and then convicted on false evidence of having killed the person that

00:37:55.060 person's wife has now pleaded with the court to release him she knows that michael sessa did not

00:38:01.300 kill her husband um that's pretty strong but what we know in the case is weissman and his colleague

00:38:07.940 withheld evidence that the government had interviewed people who saw the victim alive after the government

00:38:13.620 supposedly proved michael sessa had killed them there was a list of people who were suspects in the

00:38:19.140 murder that was withheld from the defense that list of suspects included the government's

00:38:23.700 confidential informant who they knew was given license to be out on the street committing

00:38:28.020 multiple murders as his own son has testified that name is gregory scarpa um the evidence goes on and

00:38:35.860 on and on um it's absolutely outrageous but because they were associated with organized crime the courts

00:38:43.060 haven't let them out yet and it's it's just shocking if ever cases deserved a pardon it would be the

00:38:49.220 cases of vicarina and michael sessa based on the corrupt prosecution by andrew weissman clearly

00:38:55.780 withholding evidence all completely exculpatory evidence in vicarina's case by the way we now know

00:39:01.300 the government had a document from a top confidential informant in which they said john gotty had killed

00:39:07.700 the person that vicarina uh was accused of killing and that the colombo family wasn't even consulted about

00:39:13.300 it and was offended by it that how could that have been withheld in any sense of ethical ethical

00:39:19.300 obligations that same confidential informant has now admitted that the government's uh with license

00:39:25.380 from the government he committed 12 murders on the street uh to foment this war and continue the war

00:39:31.460 at one point the fbi agent was caught when he slammed his fist down to the table and said we're

00:39:36.500 going to win this thing because he had picked a faction in the family and the other faction had had

00:39:41.220 someone murdered in it but he's been caught giving out information to allow killer to uh commit their

00:39:46.980 crimes participate in crimes and so on all under andrew weissman's watch um we have another assistant

00:39:53.060 u.s attorney who worked for weissman at the time was given an affidavit saying that weissman told her to

00:39:58.260 withhold evidence in the case it's just shocking and the guy went on to the muller commission and other

00:40:04.740 things commentator on tv and no one questions these actions all right i'm afraid we have to leave it

00:40:10.580 there i want to thank our guest david shone for joining us today in the stone zone

The Stone Zone ｜ 03-18-25

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