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00:00:32.600 political and there is no bigger story today than the delivery of the promised release

00:00:39.820 of the documents pertaining to the murder of president john f kennedy on november 22nd 1963

00:00:48.560 a senior editor at the national inquirer once told me that on any given month when that

00:00:56.440 publication was short of revenue they would merely put a kennedy assassination related story on the

00:01:03.620 cover and they would sell almost 200 000 copies more that particular week that's because the

00:01:11.980 kennedy assassination is an enduring murder mystery in which we still don't seem to have

00:01:18.260 all of the answers president donald trump promised throughout his campaign to release all of the

00:01:26.200 documents in the john f kennedy assassination records collection uh it's interesting that in 1994

00:01:33.780 the congress mandated that all documents pertaining to the murder of our 36th president uh be released

00:01:43.120 uh in the year 2017 that is the first year of the trump presidency uh back in 2017 i urged president

00:01:52.760 donald trump to release all of these documents and i thought that he would do so deciding only at the

00:01:59.820 last minute to hold back about 20 percent of the documents and then did so at the behest of the cia

00:02:08.180 director mike pompeo who argued that full release would expose the methods and sources of that

00:02:17.660 intelligence agency since that time on the campaign trail president donald trump has concluded that that

00:02:24.580 decision on his part was an error and he pledged repeatedly to release all of the documents late

00:02:33.300 yesterday afternoon there were reports that the release would be delayed because the u.s justice

00:02:40.880 department was reviewing the documents over quote national security concerns close quote but late in the

00:02:49.980 day the director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard released the long-awaited jfk files

00:02:56.460 she said president trump is ushering in a new era of maximum transparency today per his direction

00:03:04.180 previously redacted jfk assassination files are being released to the public with no redactions

00:03:11.280 promises made promises kept in a longer statement the office of the director of national intelligence

00:03:18.340 wrote president donald trump promised maximum transparency and a commitment to rebuild the trust

00:03:23.840 of the american people in the intelligence community and federal agencies part of that promise was to

00:03:30.200 fully release previously classified records related to the assassination of jfk senator robert f kennedy

00:03:37.720 and dr martin luther king jr starting today those records will be available online at archives.gov

00:03:47.180 slash jfk this release consists of approximately 80 000 pages of previously classified records that will now be published

00:03:56.520 without redactions yet questions still remain regarding the assassination of jfk even after the president has fulfilled

00:04:04.820 his long-standing political promises the records can be seen online as i just said or actually be viewed in person

00:04:13.780 at the national archives office in college park maryland so far there are several highlights

00:04:19.940 especially concerning alleged kennedy assassination assassin lee harvey oswald the files reveal among other

00:04:28.940 things that the cia uh i believe that oswald was reportedly considered a quote poor shot during his target

00:04:38.260 practice in the ussr and was under surveillance by the central intelligence agency 59 days before the

00:04:46.580 assassination it also makes it very clear that oswald was in fact a spy in the employ of the central

00:04:54.980 intelligence agency the files also show that a former cia agent gary underhill claimed that the agency was

00:05:04.100 responsible for kennedy's death he was later found dead and his death was ruled a suicide more

00:05:12.260 shockingly a man named sergey gozornov reportedly knew that oswald would be killed after assassinating

00:05:20.340 kennedy and that legendary civil rights activist dr martin luther king would also be assassinated

00:05:27.220 uh this source seemed to know in advance that kennedy would be killed in dallas but there remains

00:05:33.220 many unanswered questions particularly surrounding the cia and the man that they claim uh succeeded

00:05:39.700 kennedy as president uh it is uh that of course would be lyndon baines johnson james johnston the author

00:05:48.820 of a book called murder incorporated said that the cia under john f kennedy explained to usa today

00:05:55.220 that a crucial document exists but has not been turned over to the national archives this paper

00:06:02.180 concerns the first one-on-one conversation between president lyndon johnson and cia director john

00:06:10.340 mccone which occurred after johnson assumed power now philip sheenan in his book a cruel and shocking act

00:06:18.900 the secret history of the kennedy assassination noted that mccone who was the cia director has

00:06:24.900 long been suspected of hiding crucial details from the warring commission the panel that johnson created

00:06:32.020 to supposedly investigate the assassination back in 2015 sheenan wrote a piece for politico that said

00:06:40.100 that cia director mccone was kept on as cia director by johnson and previously pledged full cooperation with

00:06:48.980 the commission now johnson's original plan was to appoint a state of texas commission uh he

00:06:56.580 had uh u.s supreme court justice tom clark in mind to chair such a commission but was persuaded

00:07:04.260 that the american people would not buy the conclusions of a state commission and that a federal uh commission

00:07:12.820 was required uh the warring commission obviously took mccone at his word but as noted later

00:07:19.780 the cia later acknowledged mccone had hidden substantial information from the warren investigators

00:07:28.100 there are many many holes in the entire story if lee harvey oswald shot and killed john f kennedy

00:07:37.700 uh using a world war ii vintage 26 italian uh carbine uh why then did he have no powder burns on his chest

00:07:49.700 or his arms or his hands i have seen nothing that dissuades me from the theory of my 2013 book the man who

00:07:59.940 killed kennedy the case against lbj uh that uh lyndon johnson was at the helm of a

00:08:07.620 plot uh to kill our 36th president uh johnson was under investigation in two of the biggest

00:08:17.300 corruption scandals in u.s history the bobby baker scandal baker was the secretary of the u.s senate

00:08:28.260 as well as a bag man for lyndon johnson and the billy sal estes investigation now billy sal estes

00:08:37.140 was a flamboyant texas wheeler dealer uh who had gotten enormous

00:08:45.060 agricultural contracts through the largesse of president lyndon johnson actually at that point

00:08:51.620 vice president lyndon johnson and was kicking back to johnson interestingly enough robert carrow who wrote a

00:09:01.220 three-volume pulitzer prize winning biography of johnson fails to mention billy sal estes at all how strange

00:09:11.060 then only weeks ago billy sal estes his grandson released an audio tape uh that was a recording

00:09:18.980 between cliff carter the chief political operative for lbj at that time the executive director of the

00:09:26.900 democrat national committee and billy sal estes himself in which they openly discussed the fact

00:09:34.340 that a man named malcolm mac wallace uh had been hired by lyndon johnson uh to kill john f kennedy

00:09:43.300 now as i revealed in my book wallace's fingerprints were found on the sixth floor of the texas school book

00:09:50.820 depository building both on the window casing and also on the cardboard boxes that formed the so-called

00:09:58.980 crow's nest from which the shooter uh at that vantage shot uh we know that they are uh wallace's

00:10:07.780 fingerprints because in 1951 malcolm mac wallace shot and killed a man named john kinzer uh john douglas

00:10:17.380 kinzer uh in cold blood in texas dallas texas almost immediately apprehended uh he shot and killed

00:10:26.100 kinzer who at the time was trying to blackmail senator lyndon johnson uh who was uh kinzer was having

00:10:34.180 affair with johnson's bohemian uh sister uh and he was trying to blackmail johnson regarding the theft of the 1948

00:10:44.740 election and other acts of corruption by johnson at least six people see a man standing in the window

00:10:54.660 of the sixth floor of the texas school book depository building who meets the physical description

00:11:01.140 of malcolm mac wallace that is uh middle-aged uh heavy set balding and wearing spectacles

00:11:10.740 uh three of the witnesses are in the uh the county jail which is directly across dealey plaza

00:11:18.100 from the texas school book depository building uh and three of the other witnesses see this from

00:11:25.460 the ground none of that of course is reflected either in the warren commission uh findings nor

00:11:34.260 has it been included thus far in the documents released by the national archive

00:11:42.100 i believe uh that that wallace is but one shooter i would direct those who are interested to the recent

00:11:50.980 documentary released by paramount plus called what the parkland doctors saw now that documentary

00:12:01.220 demonstrates that the doctors at parkland hospital in dallas who attended president john f kennedy

00:12:08.500 immediately after he was shot witnessed uh wounds in the president that would have been consistent

00:12:15.940 with jfk being shot from the front and the back that of course means uh that in addition to wallace that

00:12:24.900 there were multiple shooters if there were multiple shooters there were there was therefore a conspiracy

00:12:32.660 if anything these new releases from the national archives have only sought to reinforce what i believe is a

00:12:40.020 false narrative that lee harvey oswald acting alone shot president john f kennedy all three shots coming from the rear

00:12:50.020 and we haven't even gotten to the so-called single bullet theory yet that theory cooked up by warren commission

00:12:58.900 counsel arlen specter later a u.s senator from pennsylvania defies all logistics and ballistics

00:13:08.260 i'm roger stone you're tuned into the stone zone we'll be back with a lot more about the jfk assassination

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00:15:03.540 and we're back the big story today the release of the jfk assassination archives as promised by

00:15:12.820 president donald trump during the campaign a promise that he has now fulfilled uh it is impossible

00:15:20.900 to parse 80 000 documents overnight although many have tried joining us now is attorney uh and

00:15:28.980 respected rfk researcher tyler nixon he also represents abraham bolden uh who is uh among i think the

00:15:37.220 first uh african american secret service agents who was there in dallas the story of bolden is something

00:15:44.900 we'll get into a little later but tyler welcome to the stone zone roger great to be with you

00:15:50.900 congratulations uh it is uh great to have you i know few people as knowledgeable as you are

00:15:57.860 about the kennedy assassination so let me ask you off the top uh with these disclosures yesterday what

00:16:03.540 do you make of what you have seen so far well i'm not surprised and i think we've we've talked about

00:16:09.860 this many times i i don't believe that there will be any sort of uh bombshell smoking guns or any type

00:16:16.340 of uh dispositive evidence that comes out that that conclusively says that it was any one you know

00:16:22.740 particular person or there or that it was lee harvey oswald what i am seeing a lot of is a lot of focus

00:16:28.500 on what i think would be considered the cover story the story that they wanted to they wanted to be

00:16:35.780 believed which you know oswald wasn't a lone nut that he was backed by uh you know cuba or russia

00:16:42.340 in order to exacerbate and make worse um and potentially spark war for the war hawks the um

00:16:48.100 the curtis lamaze of the world who wanted who wanted the confrontation with russia and didn't mind

00:16:52.500 potentially having a nuclear war um and kennedy had thwarted that and i believe that was part of

00:16:58.500 what cost him his life and what we're seeing are a lot of a lot of i think um documents that

00:17:04.820 are key to that sort of story you know oswald was controlled by this and that uh russian uh operatives

00:17:12.340 and that kind of thing um it's a lot of to me it's a it's a lot of filler it's really uh there's only

00:17:18.900 been one i think document the underhill uh the memo that indicates that that gentleman named underhill

00:17:24.820 the day of the assassination went to friends with you know with terror it was terrorized said that the cia

00:17:31.460 did it and of course he committed suicide supposedly six months later and you know that's kind of a

00:17:36.820 little juicy tidbit but nothing the core of the story i think we know that 62 years that these

00:17:42.260 documents have been sitting in in the recesses of the government archives um at the cia or wherever

00:17:47.940 have you and they have been gone over and scrubbed i'm sure so many times i agree tyler i'm

00:17:53.860 going to stop you there we're gonna we're going to go to a quick break when we return uh tyler nixon

00:17:59.140 will continue to talk to us about the disclosures of the jfk documents and i want to get into the

00:18:04.580 story of abraham bolden a secret service agent who has been disserved by this country you're tuned into

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00:18:54.740 and we're back in the stone zone we're talking to tyler nixon attorney at law but also one of the

00:19:01.220 most respected jfk assassination researchers in the country also a long time personal friend he's

00:19:07.780 represented me personally uh there's really nobody better on these topics uh you made an excellent

00:19:14.820 point before the break tyler and that is these documents have been in the hands of the federal

00:19:20.180 government uh for 62 years they have had more than enough time to to uh cleanse them of any

00:19:28.340 document that would disprove what i think is the largely discredited theory of the warring commission

00:19:34.260 that being that lee harvey oswald a lone nut uh supposedly uh a russian communist uh shot and killed

00:19:44.340 the president and acted alone i always thought it was interesting that malcolm killed off uh the man who

00:19:50.660 was the deputy press secretary for president john f kennedy the man who had the horrific job of announcing

00:19:58.180 to the huddled press in dallas that john f kennedy uh had in fact uh passed away uh is almost

00:20:06.740 subsequently on an elevator with the new president lyndon johnson and he says to him according to

00:20:12.820 killed off's memoirs mr president who would do such a horrible thing who would kill our president and

00:20:19.860 johnson says it was a communist son and killed off says a communist what kind of a communist sir

00:20:28.500 and johnson says it was a russian communist son the problem with this conversation of course is that

00:20:34.900 oswald had not yet been apprehended so how did johnson know that a quote-unquote russian communist

00:20:41.620 had killed john f kennedy interestingly just just as you had noted uh i saw i believe a tweet

00:20:48.740 from yesterday roger that uh johnson asked for a second set of clothing a suit uh to be uh brought

00:20:56.660 for on the 21st so as if he was going to the next day have to change his clothes and uh you know look

00:21:03.220 johnson was your your your amazing book uh the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj which i would

00:21:10.580 urge everyone to go out and get if you haven't gotten it yet um really does tie it all together

00:21:16.340 uh at the center of it all was this this um just uh homicidal sort of uh megalomaniacal psychopath

00:21:23.940 lyndon johnson and he you know it it really you have to think of the the milieu in which everybody uh

00:21:31.860 lived back then and and the grandeur of the presidency and the ability of the intelligence services and

00:21:38.580 frankly the the powers that be to control media is the fact that if you think about it today as just

00:21:44.340 a basic story john kennedy was invited to texas home turf and johnson johnson goes back uh as

00:21:52.340 president and kennedy comes back in a body bag i mean and that really tells you what you need to

00:21:56.420 know about the whole thing yeah we know we we know that the night before the murder uh that johnson

00:22:03.460 goes to president kennedy's uh room in fort worth in a hotel and tries to persuade kennedy to change

00:22:12.500 the motorcade arrangements to put his hated enemy senator ralph yarborough of texas the head of the

00:22:18.740 progressive liberal wing of the texas democrat party in the death car with kennedy and have uh johnson

00:22:26.740 crony governor john connelly uh removed and put in the vice presidential car uh and because that

00:22:35.620 defeats the whole supposed purpose for the trip to texas which is to bind up the divisions in the texas

00:22:43.700 democrat party between the bourbon conservative wing of the party uh a wing that no longer exists today

00:22:50.020 i might add uh in the progressive wing of the democrat party uh kennedy refuses uh and johnson

00:22:57.700 uh throws a pitch as a fit leaves in a huff jacqueline kennedy asks her husband what's wrong with

00:23:03.540 johnson and kennedy says that's just linden being linden so uh it is clear to me that johnson knows that

00:23:11.700 his protege the man who served as his senate administrative assistant a man who of whom he once said

00:23:18.980 that uh john connelly's as loyal as a dog he said if you called him at three o'clock in the morning

00:23:23.940 told him to come polish your boots he'd come a run in it's a direct quote uh he tried he knew that

00:23:29.860 connelly was in the death car connelly of course would be wounded uh in the attack on kennedy

00:23:36.900 uh he would never allow the bullet to be removed from his wrist uh but he always publicly uh denied the

00:23:44.580 so-called single bullet theory that is that that he had been hit by the same bullet as john kennedy

00:23:52.900 yes no question and and it's interesting you there's some pictures of connelly uh right at the

00:23:58.900 airport as they're getting ready to leave love field and he's got this like stiff expression on his face

00:24:04.580 i mean he looks he looks tense let's just say as if he knew i think he knew something was coming as well

00:24:10.660 obviously because he's the one who invited kennedy to texas and you know that i'm i just i guess it

00:24:16.420 shows that jfk may be as savvy as he was was a little naive about how ruthless and uh crazy that

00:24:23.860 lyndon johnson was and how how high his blood was up for the kennedys um and all the slights and it's

00:24:30.020 probably because jack kennedy tried to treat lyndon and tried to get his people to treat lyndon with

00:24:35.460 respect uh or some level of dignity but they couldn't help it i mean they call him with uncle

00:24:40.420 corn pwn i believe was one of the nick names they called him and uh you know he was treated very very

00:24:45.220 shabbily by the the kennedy uh retinue as well as of course you know he and bobby kennedy hated each

00:24:50.740 other but it does it you know you can't i guess you got to say at least lyndon tried right but

00:24:55.940 nevertheless he had to send uh watches uh his protege go right into the into the kill zone as he ducked down

00:25:02.980 inside his limit or his uh lincoln continental a few cars back yeah that's that's another key

00:25:08.180 factor which is you can see in both newsreel footage and also still photograph footage from

00:25:12.820 that day uh riding in the vice presidential limousine which was a cadillac that they called

00:25:18.820 the queen mary uh which would normally would have been directly behind the presidential limousine

00:25:24.740 but there was in this case both the secret service car full of agents uh and a a car full of

00:25:32.260 reporters between the presidential and vice presidential limousines and if you look at the

00:25:37.300 pictures you see lady bird johnson and you see senator ralph yarborough and you see lyndon johnson then

00:25:44.740 in the next frame johnson is missing that's because as we now know before the first shot is fired

00:25:51.940 johnson hits the deck he's on the floor of his limousine talking into what ralph yarborough says in

00:25:57.940 his memoirs and in oral history is a walkie-talkie or some kind of small radio so clearly johnson anticipates

00:26:06.340 the attack on kennedy in advance now the secret service agent assigned to johnson uh would tell the

00:26:13.140 warring commission that after he heard the first shot that he forced johnson to the floor only after

00:26:20.340 johnson's death did that agent come forward and say well that wasn't really the truth that's what i was

00:26:26.420 told to say in fact johnson hit the deck prior to the first shot being fired that's right and uh

00:26:33.620 he he told the story that rufus youngblood leapt over the car and shield now threw himself on top of

00:26:38.980 johnson uh threw it left over the seat and and this was not true it's not true at all he was just uh he

00:26:44.900 was just trying to play up the whole drama of it you know as though he was in mortal danger as well as uh

00:26:50.020 you know john f kennedy and of course we have that infamous uh uh november 27th conversation between

00:26:56.660 recorded which johnson knew was being recorded of course between he and j edgar hoover where he sort

00:27:01.860 of asks do you think they were firing at me or do you think there was any threat to me something along

00:27:06.340 those lines and uh you know playing up for the playing up for the uh the recording clearly because uh

00:27:13.220 you know he knew full well that there was no uh no guns aimed at him that day you have um taken on

00:27:20.740 the case of abraham bolden uh this is i think a very compelling story that unfortunately the mainstream

00:27:26.740 media has not covered bolden was a secret service agent i think he may have been the first or among

00:27:32.900 the first african-american secret service agents who's been treated extremely shabbily by our government

00:27:39.460 uh tell us this story sure it's really it's a horrifying story especially considering

00:27:46.260 that not only were the uh some of them hung over beyond belief secret service agents there

00:27:52.660 in dallas that day none none not a single agent was either disciplined in fact many of them were

00:27:58.260 promoted the shift supervisor emory roberts who stood who told the agents to freeze in the limousine

00:28:04.660 behind kennedy's limousine uh that the queen mary told them to freeze as the shooting began he became

00:28:10.900 the appointment secretary to linden johnson kind of an odd role for a secret service agent but that

00:28:16.100 again touches back on linden's uh complicity but abraham bolden was the first uh black secret

00:28:22.660 service agent ever to serve on the white house detail he was hand selected by president kennedy

00:28:27.300 when president kennedy came through chicago on april 28th 1961 bolden served uh it was a brief it was

00:28:34.900 a brief period because he experienced such intense racism amongst the agents and and constantly being

00:28:41.940 uh lampooned and he also saw among the agents quite a bit of laxity and carousing and drinking

00:28:49.460 similar to what the agents uh who were out in the cellar in fort worth till 4 a.m the morning of

00:28:54.420 the assassination did um bolden returns to chicago is a um extremely meritorious and brilliant

00:29:01.940 undercover uh secret service agent doing counter a bus on counterfeiters um he had been the first

00:29:08.580 uh the detect black detective in the uh illinois state police and he was the first black pinker

00:29:13.860 to detect if he had a spotless record after the assassination um and by the way he also had

00:29:19.700 heard amongst agents uh some of these southern agents who called him uh who took to referring

00:29:25.140 to president kennedy as a n-word lover i won't use the real the actual term um and and sentiments that

00:29:32.580 they might not protect kennedy or there to be an attack on him which he found also shocking

00:29:37.620 so um bolden of course is shocked and just dismally disappointed and horrified at the assassination of

00:29:44.900 president kennedy and in part because on november 2nd 1963 um they the secret service uh in chicago

00:29:53.220 had busted up well not busted up but learned that they uh some cuban uh cubans who were in town

00:30:00.740 staying in a rooming house and the rooming house i guess uh the the lady who runs it had been cleaning

00:30:06.820 the room and found you know high-powered rifles and a map with the parade route proposed president

00:30:12.500 kennedy was going to come to town to see the army navy game they broke that up or you know they were

00:30:18.100 onto it and essentially uh president kennedy's trip to chicago ultimately was canceled we're unclear as

00:30:24.100 to why but they bungled the pursuit of these cubans i think they only caught one of them they

00:30:29.860 interrogated them and apparently just let him go and knowledge of this was was held within chicago the

00:30:36.340 chicago field office and potentially some higher ups maybe at the in the secret service but was not

00:30:41.700 disseminated throughout the system so you know this is this was a shocking it should have been a high

00:30:47.060 alert to the uh to the agency throughout that they should have been on you know there should have

00:30:51.940 been extra precautions taken in dallas um so bolden uh you know continues his work as a secret service

00:30:58.500 agent and the warren commission is formed in early 64 and bolden decides that he can't hold this

00:31:05.940 information to himself um concerning the laxity of the agents and especially concerning the plot that

00:31:11.860 he was aware of and in uh chicago and he requests to speak speak to the warren commission he you know

00:31:18.500 sends a formal request up the chain of command and is denied of course they say no you will not speak to

00:31:24.740 the warren commission so uh you know bolden was not one to accept um you know he was he's a truthful

00:31:31.460 man an honest man he's uh really if you hear him speak he has the wisdom of solomon um and so in may

00:31:38.420 of 64 around the i believe the 18th he is uh sent with a number of agents to washington for what they

00:31:44.820 said was annual training that was due uh that secret service agents have with the national uh the

00:31:50.020 national headquarters immediately uh that afternoon the same day they're all ordered uh the agents from

00:31:57.140 chicago including bolden to return to chicago um and he begins to get suspicious because it was unusual

00:32:04.020 you know they said there was some counterfeiting case that they needed everybody on deck for uh the

00:32:08.500 head of the secret service in uh chicago at the time maurice martineau directly gave the order when

00:32:14.660 bolden gets down on the ground they escort him to the u.s attorney's office and charge him out of the

00:32:20.100 blue with soliciting a bribe now this was uh a crazy instance because um first of all bolden had

00:32:28.260 arrested one of the people accusing him uh twice before and these were two uh career criminals who had

00:32:34.900 uh absolutely you know long records of crime or and were also under pending charges and the main

00:32:41.300 witness was facing upwards of you know decades in prison tyler i'm tyler i'm going to stop you there

00:32:46.500 we're going to pick it up on the other side if you're just tuning in we're talking to tyler nixon

00:32:50.500 jfk assassination researcher and we'll be right back this is the stone zone with roger stone

00:32:58.660 this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in the

00:33:23.620 office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than anybody

00:33:28.500 in this place now as i treated him very unfairly now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger

00:33:37.620 stone we're back in the zone if you're just tuning in we're talking to tyler nixon attorney at law

00:33:46.420 who represents abraham bolden a former secret service agent tyler continue with this story of

00:33:54.100 injustice regarding abraham bolden sure abraham bolden the secret service agent first black secret

00:34:00.420 service agent on the white house detail uh handpicked by president kennedy is arrested by

00:34:05.220 his fellow secret service agents in chicago on may 18th 1964 and charged with soliciting a bribe

00:34:12.660 this is a the story on its face is frankly crazy because first of all um the only witnesses against

00:34:20.180 him supposed witnesses were career criminals who were uh in the essentially under the pressure of

00:34:25.940 facing immediate uh trial on serious counterfeiting charges and there was no physical evidence or any

00:34:32.660 sort of evidence directly uh dispositive or showing you know that bolden had had in fact solicited a

00:34:39.300 bribe and there it just makes no sense the man was is he had a spotless record of service um was a

00:34:45.380 a meticulous undercover agent who had been commended multiple times uh within the agency for all the

00:34:51.860 great work he did and so he's put immediately brought to trial and i'm talking within a matter of

00:34:57.220 weeks before a uh a and uh let's just say a bombastic aggressive and racist judge in federal court

00:35:05.860 he is put through this this ridiculous almost absurd sort of um trial where the evidence are things like

00:35:12.740 a whiskey bottle that has fingerprints of the one of the witnesses against him to prove that they

00:35:17.540 were together when the uh bribe solicitation was passed along it was just an absurdity and the judge

00:35:24.900 constantly cut off um bolden's defense defense attorney and really made it quite a slog for him

00:35:31.780 just to get through and put on any kind of defense and the judge finally as they're getting ready to uh

00:35:37.300 and the jury's getting ready to retire to uh deliberate there's the unusual move of telling

00:35:42.980 the jury that he believes that the evidence is sufficient to show that the uh the defendant is

00:35:49.380 guilty in other words essentially tells them that he thinks bolden's guilty so this is i mean this is so

00:35:55.060 rigged it's unbelievable um bolden ultimately gets a hung jury in that first trial and uh it was a

00:36:02.500 single uh black lady who was on the trial of the jury who said she didn't you know she held out she

00:36:07.220 would not vote guilty so it was a hung jury and um immediately within a matter of again a couple of

00:36:13.620 weeks i mean you're talking he would put went through two federal trials within a matter of

00:36:16.820 three months which is in itself unheard of and certainly would never happen today goes through a

00:36:22.660 second trial same deal um and is ultimately found guilty uh by the by the all-white jury of course uh in

00:36:30.340 chicago and is is sentenced ultimately to uh six and a half years in federal prison where he serves

00:36:36.180 three and a half now this is where it really gets nuts the main witness against him this guy joseph

00:36:41.700 spagnoli the counterfeiter the career criminal goes to trial before the same judge a couple months later

00:36:47.300 in chicago or a few months later during that trial he is under oath and testifies and to the surprise

00:36:55.140 obviously of the uh of the federal prosecutors that the assistant u.s attorney one of the assistant

00:37:01.620 u.s attorneys in bolden's case prosecuting bolden suborned perjured testimony from this witness spagnoli

00:37:09.300 in against bolden so in other words bolden was convicted on perjured testimony solicited by the

00:37:14.820 assistant u.s attorney and and coached as well not just simply solicited but also suborned and this

00:37:21.700 goes to appeal that the judge presiding was at a really an axe to grind i guess with bolden was a

00:37:27.780 racist he refuses to even uh declare a mistrial do anything about it it goes up to appeal on the uh

00:37:34.900 in the uh the circuit court of the federal circuit court of appeals and this this information is brought

00:37:40.900 out this assistant u.s attorney is called before the court of appeals to answer for the perjury charge

00:37:47.140 or the suborning perjury charge whether he did this he pleads the fifth amendment before the court

00:37:53.060 of appeals if you can believe that how would that be acceptable in this anywhere uh in any ethical uh

00:38:00.020 environment or fair environment where we've got we've got about one minute you are fighting for

00:38:04.740 justice for for abraham bolden tell us tell us how folks can support that fight well right now we're

00:38:11.860 getting ready to to request that the president um uh settle abraham bolden's civil case and and

00:38:18.100 order the vacature uh through pam bondy of his um his conviction in chicago in uh 1964 and that he be

00:38:26.180 restored as a secret service agent and um there will be more coming on that roger i don't want to

00:38:31.300 everybody can catch my uh my twitter feed my x feed at real tyler nixon and i'll be posting more and

00:38:37.140 more information about that in the days ahead and i appreciate your support roger you worked so

00:38:41.700 hard to try to get him a pardon uh several years back and he ultimately did get one but um justice

00:38:47.540 has not been done yet in his case all right i want to thank our guest tyler nixon and also for

00:38:52.900 laying out the story of injustice against abraham bolden the first african-american secret service

00:38:58.980 agent assigned to a presidential detail this has been the stone zone we appreciate your tuning in

00:39:04.180 until we meet again god bless you and god speed

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