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00:00:46.780 now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone

00:00:52.800 You are now diving headlong into the deep end of the stone's home.

00:00:58.880 You know, there are moments in life of a republic when the veil slips, when the carefully curated facade of institutional integrity gives way to something far more unsettling.

00:01:10.460 The raid on then-former president and current president Donald J. Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate was one of those examples.

00:01:19.600 This was not a mere law enforcement action.

00:01:22.000 this was a rupture. And now, documents have been uncovered that reveal even within the FBI,

00:01:28.800 there were grave doubts about the legal foundation for that extraordinary intrusion.

00:01:33.640 Doubts that were brushed aside by Joe Biden's Department of Justice, determined to proceed.

00:01:39.840 At the heart of the matter lies Plasmic Echo. That's the code name for the FBI's secret

00:01:45.920 investigation into Trump's alleged mishandling of presidential documents. Now, the presidential

00:01:51.980 Records Act essentially allows a current or former president to declassify and retain any document.

00:01:59.620 So one wonders what this entire case was really about. And now, according to internal communications

00:02:05.720 recently uncovered, the FBI's Washington Fields Office explicitly stated that it did not believe

00:02:12.720 that probable cause existed to justify a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. Now let that sink in for

00:02:20.040 a moment. The agents on the ground, the professionals entrusted with the solemn

00:02:24.780 responsibility of safeguarding our constitutional rights, concluded that the legal threshold had not

00:02:31.720 been met for the raid on Mar-a-Lago. Yet the Department of Justice pressed forward regardless,

00:02:37.960 culminating in an unprecedented raid on the home of a former president. Having had my own home

00:02:44.480 raided by the FBI, having FBI agents go through my wife's underwear draw the same way they went 0.59

00:02:51.480 through First Lady Melania Trump's, I can understand the feeling of violation that the 0.98

00:02:58.760 president and his wife must have felt. Now, one is compelled to ask, since when does the absence

00:03:05.160 of probable cause become a mere inconvenience? These bombshell internal emails from mid-July

00:03:12.140 of 2020, revealed that the FBI personnel questioned the justification for searching not only Trump's

00:03:19.200 residents broadly, but even specific areas such as his bedroom and his office. Concerns were raised

00:03:26.060 about the distinction between boxes of documents and genuinely classified material, as well as the

00:03:32.240 recency of the alleged issues. These were not fringe objections. They were formal,

00:03:37.460 now documented and emphatic, and still the Biden Department of Justice moved forward.

00:03:44.560 Even more damning is the revelation that FBI officials repeatedly proposed less confrontational

00:03:50.780 alternatives. They suggested contacting Trump or his legal counsel directly. They floated the

00:03:56.780 possibility of a consensual search. They even recommended seeking a renewed referral from the

00:04:02.680 National Archives. Each of those options, which would have preserved both the dignity of the

00:04:07.680 office and the integrity of the law, was brushed aside. They were all rejected. Why? That's because

00:04:15.100 this entire investigation, part of Arctic Frost, was an extra constitutional effort to get Donald

00:04:22.280 Trump. On August 4th, 2022, email provides more chilling evidence. A senior FBI official expressed

00:04:29.900 concern over the DOJ's handling of pre-search communications, quoting a Department of Justice

00:04:36.500 official who said, frankly, I don't give a damn about the optics. Such cavalier disregard for the

00:04:43.420 perception of justice is not merely unseemly. To me, it seems corrosive. Justice must not only be

00:04:49.860 done, it must be seen to be done. When those entrusted with this execution dismissed optics

00:04:55.580 entirely. They invite the very suspicious that now engulfs this entire case. The origins of

00:05:02.780 this investigation are now equally revealing. Plasmic Echo, you wonder who comes up with these

00:05:07.980 names, was opened as a Sensitive Investigative Matter, or SIM, on February 11, 2022, following

00:05:15.700 coordination between FBI headquarters, the Deputy Director, the Office of General Counsel of the

00:05:21.980 FBI and the Department of Justice. Among those involved were senior counterintelligence division

00:05:27.980 officials. You see, by declaring this a SIM, a sensitive investigative matter, they were able

00:05:34.480 to keep it all secret. Yet what catalyzed this extraordinary mobilization of federal power?

00:05:41.240 Not solely internal deliberations, but external agitation. There's actually a letter from an

00:05:47.560 activist organization, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. By the way, they always

00:05:53.800 are engaged in the exact opposite of what their name says. This is Norm Eisen's left-wing

00:05:59.280 quasi-legal group that was agitating for the removal of Donald Trump under the fake

00:06:07.060 Russian collusion hoax, but their letter somehow got routed directly to the case file and was

00:06:15.380 acted upon within days. The implication here is unmistakable. Left-leaning advocacy groups were

00:06:22.560 not merely spectators, but they were actually participants in the genesis of a federal

00:06:27.700 investigation targeting a former president. That's a very dangerous precedent. Compounding those

00:06:34.940 concerns were indications of media entanglements. Months before the raid, a reporter from the

00:06:40.060 Washington Post, sought confirmation for a tip that he got that the FBI had begun interviewing

00:06:46.140 individuals within Trump's orbit about his retention of presidential documents. The inquiry

00:06:52.120 was logged by the FBI's Public Affairs Office, underscoring the extent to which the investigation

00:06:58.240 had already seeped or been injected into the press ecosystem. Whether through leaks or strategic

00:07:05.120 disclosures, the narrative was already being shaped in real time. In the dissonance that is

00:07:11.200 most striking on one hand, field agents raise legitimate legal concerns about probable cause.

00:07:17.260 On the other hand, the senior leadership projecting unwavering confidence in the

00:07:21.620 propriety of their actions. This is not merely a difference of opinion. It's a chasm. Judicial

00:07:28.320 Watch President Tom Fitton said it best today. The FBI and the Justice Department must go all

00:07:34.120 out to release the nearly 2 million secret FBI and DOJ files on the lawfare against President Trump

00:07:41.760 and whatever else the Obama and Biden gangs don't want the American people to know. And therein lies

00:07:47.900 the ultimate question. If the process was as pristine as the defenders claim, why the resistance

00:07:54.560 to full transparency? Why are these documents still classified and sealed? Why the hesitation

00:08:00.380 to allow the American people to examine in exhaustive detail

00:08:04.320 what actions were taken that justified the raid on a former president's home.

00:08:10.080 In a constitutional republic, power must answer to the people.

00:08:13.280 And when it doesn't, when it cloaks itself in secrecy

00:08:16.560 while dismissing its own internal warnings,

00:08:19.540 it ceases to be a guardian of liberty and becomes something else entirely,

00:08:24.880 something far more dangerous.

00:08:27.300 We'll be following this question extraordinarily carefully.

00:08:30.380 The Supreme Court today heard arguments on the question of birthright citizenship. That is based in the 14th Amendments, the law that holds that anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen.

00:08:47.020 President Donald Trump questioned that in executive order during his first term, an executive order that was struck down by the courts.

00:08:55.020 Now he has formally questioned it.

00:08:56.780 The president is arguing that one of the two parents of a person born on U.S. soil must be a U.S. citizen in order for the newborn to be a U.S. citizen.

00:09:07.500 Later on in the show, Don Brown, a former U.S. federal prosecutor, Navy JAG officer, and Pentagon counsel, also a nationally recognized legal and national security analyst, going to join us for a breakdown of today's hearing and that entire issue.

00:09:23.880 You're going to want to definitely hang on for that.

00:09:26.520 Meanwhile, President Trump announced Tuesday that the U.S. military operations in Iran, dubbed Operation Epic Fury, are nearing a successful conclusion with a withdrawal expected within two to three weeks or possibly sooner.

00:09:42.900 As I've said here in the Stone Zone multiple times, Donald Trump was elected as an anti-war president,

00:09:48.500 and our actions in Iran are not a continuation of the endless foreign war, boots on the ground,

00:09:57.360 massive U.S. casualties, and multi-billion dollar payday for the defense contractors.

00:10:03.720 They are something very different.

00:10:05.100 The projected, limited, but incredibly lethal use of American power.

00:10:13.180 Not since Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were steering our foreign policy has any president used the combination of military strength, economic persuasion and pressure, and diplomatic efforts to run their foreign policy.

00:10:29.200 Speaking to reporters, after signing a new election integrity order, President Trump made clear that the mission so far has achieved its primary objective, which was always stopping Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

00:10:43.140 Just to be clear, that has been Donald Trump's position since 1988.

00:10:47.880 That's when I first urged him to get serious about running for president.

00:10:51.880 He has said it throughout his public career, and therefore there should be no surprise that he took the action in Iran that he did.

00:11:00.200 The president also underscored his commitment to putting American interests first, signaling that responsibility for securing the strategically vital Hormuz Straits,

00:11:10.600 from which at least 20 percent of the world's energy must float, will soon shift over to other

00:11:17.380 nations that rely far more heavily on the region's oil flow than we do, as the conflict has shown us

00:11:24.700 that our European so-called allies in NATO will not have its our backs when it most matters.

00:11:31.780 President Trump pointed out that maintaining constant U.S. involvement in such hot spots is

00:11:36.780 neither sustainable nor necessary, nor the aim of his administration. President Trump stated,

00:11:43.580 we're finishing the job, noting that remaining operations will target key infrastructure

00:11:48.040 to ensure lasting stability and deterrence. At the same time, President Trump left the door open for

00:11:54.760 a negotiated settlement, always the businessman, remember the art of the deal, suggesting that

00:12:00.980 Iran could avoid further strikes by coming to the table. Early reports indicate that commercial

00:12:06.680 shipping is already resuming through the strait, a sign that U.S. efforts have restored a level

00:12:12.260 of order in the region. And the U.S. efforts are, pardon me, and the President is planning to address

00:12:19.360 the nation tonight actually at 9 p.m. to fully outline his plans regarding Iran with victory

00:12:26.080 secured and only a small amount of work remaining to ensure that they will not be a threat moving

00:12:31.900 forward. I said from the beginning that I supported the president's effort, even though I'm

00:12:37.540 like him, an anti-interventionist republic. But I also don't think that this effort was going to be

00:12:45.960 ongoing. The slight increase in oil prices will be worth the cost of not allowing the lunatics

00:12:55.520 in Tehran to have a nuclear weapon. I believe, as I said earlier, this is peace through strength,

00:13:04.600 not endless foreign war. Peace through strength is when you use American power in a limited but

00:13:11.200 purposeful way. Thanks for joining us in The Stone Zone. I'm Roger Stone, and we'll be right

00:13:16.660 back on The Other Side. This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone. He likes politics and he's a

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00:14:08.300 This is the Stone

00:14:18.780 Zone with Roger Stone.

00:14:20.820 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:14:24.860 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:14:26.100 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:14:29.160 Now, get him his own.

00:14:31.000 It's the Stone Zone.

00:14:33.020 Here's Roger Stone.

00:14:36.860 Well, in a historic first, President Donald Trump appeared in person at the Supreme Court of the United States today,

00:14:43.940 as his administration defended efforts to end automatic birthright citizenship for children

00:14:49.840 of illegal immigrants. The case centers on President Trump's executive order challenging

00:14:55.500 erroneous interpretations of the 14th Amendment, which have been widely used to grant citizenship

00:15:01.360 to anyone born on U.S. soil. This has created a birth tourism racket that has led to a demographic

00:15:09.000 overthrow of the country. The administration correctly notes that this policy has been

00:15:13.720 abused for decades and was never intended to apply broadly to those in the country

00:15:18.580 unlawfully. During two hours of oral arguments, liberal justices raised concerns about how

00:15:24.800 such a policy would be enforced in practice. However, conservative justices signaled a

00:15:31.980 willingness to revisit the issue. Justice Clarence Thomas emphasized that the amendment

00:15:37.700 was originally designed to guarantee citizenship for freed slaves, not necessarily to create a

00:15:44.720 blanket policy covering modern immigration scenarios. President Trump, seated in the front

00:15:50.780 row alongside senior officials, did not speak during the proceedings, but later criticized the

00:15:56.240 current policy, calling the United States the only country allowing such ridiculous and expansive

00:16:02.240 citizenship rules. The case represents a long overdue effort to restore the original meaning

00:16:09.420 of the Constitution and to secure America's borders. Critics, meanwhile, claim it would upend

00:16:14.980 decades of precedent. A final ruling is expected. Just around the corner, Don Brown, a former U.S.

00:16:22.860 federal prosecutor, Navy JAG officer, and Pentagon counsel is going to join us to help

00:16:27.720 break this issue down even further. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump has signaled that NATO

00:16:34.840 may have outlived its usefulness and that the U.S. should consider pulling out of it entirely.

00:16:41.460 Well, I've said this for some time. Now Donald Trump is saying it, indicating that is exactly

00:16:46.180 what he's working on. In a recent interview, Trump blasted the NATO alliance as a paper tiger,

00:16:52.920 signaling he's seriously considering a U.S. withdrawal after real frustration with our

00:16:58.620 European allies reached a boiling point. While the United States has long shouldered the burden

00:17:04.140 of defending its allies from Ukraine to the broader European security, Trump made clear

00:17:10.080 that that commitment must be a two-way street. Now when America called for assistance in the war

00:17:15.500 in Iran, many of our key allies declined, refusing military cooperation and even denied access to

00:17:22.420 some of their key bases. That reluctance, critics say, exposes a fundamental imbalance in NATO,

00:17:28.920 one where U.S. taxpayers fund global security while other nations hesitate when it matters

00:17:34.720 most. In that interview, President Trump also took direct aim at European leadership, including the

00:17:40.660 British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, accusing him of prioritizing costly green energy policies

00:17:47.660 over military readiness. The President's broader message is absolutely clear. Allies who depend on

00:17:54.560 American strength must be willing to stand alongside it when we need them. Secretary of

00:17:59.840 State Marco Rubio echoed that sentiment, warning that NATO's future must and will be re-evaluated

00:18:06.460 if it fails to support the U.S.'s strategic needs. As tensions rise abroad, the debate at home is

00:18:14.200 really sharpening. Should America continue to carry the world on its shoulders, or should we

00:18:19.940 start demanding accountability from those who rely on us? This isn't isolationism. It's just

00:18:26.520 common sense. NATO's needs to straighten up or be tossed in the ash bin of history. I think Donald

00:18:32.820 Trump is on the right track here. Thanks for joining us today on The Stone Zone. When we come

00:18:37.080 back, Don Brown, former federal prosecutor, Navy JAG officer, Pentagon counsel, a recognized expert,

00:18:44.200 on constitutional and military law, as well as geopolitical affairs, is going to join us for a

00:18:49.760 breakdown on the debate over birthright citizenship that was before the U.S. Supreme Court today.

00:18:55.460 You're listening to The Stone Zone. Please don't touch that dial.

00:19:08.220 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:19:11.860 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:19:15.940 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:19:17.160 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:19:20.240 Now, get him a zone.

00:19:22.040 It's the Stone Zone.

00:19:24.060 Here's Roger Stone.

00:19:27.440 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:19:30.460 Joining me now is a man for whom I have enormous personal respect.

00:19:35.000 Don Brown is a former U.S. federal prosecutor, Navy JAG officer, and Pentagon counsel.

00:19:41.180 But he's also a nationally recognized legal and national security analyst with extensive experience in constitutional law, military law, and geopolitical affairs.

00:19:50.980 If you haven't read his best-selling book, Kangaroo Court, let me strongly recommend it to you.

00:19:56.800 I'm really honored to have you with us today.

00:19:59.320 Don Brown, welcome into the Stone Zone.

00:20:02.740 It's an honor for me.

00:20:04.140 I appreciate the plug on Kangaroo Court.

00:20:06.400 By the way, I have the personal thank you note that you wrote me when you read the book,

00:20:11.380 and I keep it in my jacket all the time as a personal inspiration.

00:20:15.580 So you're an inspiration to me, too, and I appreciate being here today.

00:20:19.060 Very, very kind of you to join us.

00:20:21.380 So what did you make of the arguments before the Supreme Court?

00:20:25.640 First, let's kind of set the table.

00:20:27.660 Birthright citizenship is essentially the concept that says that any individual born on U.S. soil

00:20:35.640 is automatically a U.S. citizenship.

00:20:39.200 It's, according to the many on the left,

00:20:41.940 guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the Constitution,

00:20:44.840 which was ratified in 1868.

00:20:49.140 This was primarily intended to grant citizenship

00:20:52.140 to formerly enslaved people after the Civil War

00:20:55.240 and after the overturn of the Dred Scott decision.

00:20:58.480 But as I said earlier, it's turned into something very different.

00:21:01.840 We have a booming, booming tourism industry here in which people come to the country so that their children will be U.S. citizens entitled to the rights and privileges thereof.

00:21:17.020 You're right, Roger, in this booming tourism industry you're referring to is largely from communist China, and it's a big problem.

00:21:23.840 But it really goes back to the Congress's attempt to deal with the issue of the children of slaves at the end of the Civil War.

00:21:33.340 And, of course, the Citizenship Clause was put initially into the 14th Amendment.

00:21:37.940 And the author, the principal author of the 14th Amendment, Senator Lyman Trumbull of Illinois, who was a personal friend of Lincoln, said in the congressional record that citizenship was only to be granted to the children of emancipated slaves for that generation.

00:21:56.140 American Indians were specifically excluded, and the language had to do, the relevant language,

00:22:02.480 all persons born are naturalized in the U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction or citizens.

00:22:08.680 But actually the civil rights side just two years before that, 1868, was even stricter on limiting a birthright citizenship

00:22:17.300 and used the phrase children born not subject to any foreign power.

00:22:22.340 And so it was pretty clear in the early days, and especially after the 14th Amendment and the 1866 Civil Rights Act, that just anyone born here of illegal parents don't get the right of citizenship.

00:22:36.620 And this was a case – up until 1898, there was a case called Wong Kim Ark, which is discussed today in the argument – I list the entire argument, by the way, which had a distinction.

00:22:50.780 There were two Chinese folks who were living in San Francisco legally.

00:22:55.920 They were legal residents of the United States, gave birth to a son, and the court in that case allowed that kid to have citizenship because his parents had legal residents.

00:23:07.760 Now, Roger, that's different from illegal aliens who come across the border who don't have any legal residents' rights at all.

00:23:17.780 The Wong Kim Ark case was a limited situation.

00:23:22.680 But the left and leftist courts have taken and drove in a Mack truck through it and tried to expand it all the way.

00:23:28.420 It really got expanded to outright birthright citizenship under the FDR administration when the State Department began to push that narrative.

00:23:37.360 And the Trump administration is right on mark to try to come back to an original intent interpretation, and we'll see what happens.

00:23:44.800 So you sat through today's hearing.

00:23:47.420 How did the U.S. solicitor, John Sauer, do in his arguments, in your view?

00:23:52.320 I thought he did a really good job.

00:23:53.640 The only, and it's easier to play armchair quarterback, Roger,

00:23:57.100 the only thing I wish he'd done differently, there was a question that may have been from Justice Gorses,

00:24:01.940 do you want us, are you asking us to reverse Wong Kim Ark?

00:24:05.860 And I think at one point he said yes.

00:24:08.560 Actually, I don't think you need a reversal of Wong Kim Ark.

00:24:10.960 I think you simply need a clarification of it.

00:24:13.000 But I think the justices were able to see through that.

00:24:15.800 They asked the ACLU attorney a number of times, why is it that the court and Juan Kim Mark kept using the phrase domicile, domicile, domicile, domicile,

00:24:24.500 in fact, 20 times, you know, and you can't have domicile really if you're here illegally because you're subject to being arrested.

00:24:32.000 And the conservative justice kept driving that point home.

00:24:34.960 But other than that, I thought it did an excellent job.

00:24:37.160 The briefings were excellent, and we'll see how the court comes down on it.

00:24:40.040 I mean, am I wrong, or could this case fundamentally change how citizenship is defined in the United States?

00:24:47.400 Well, sure, and of course, to be clear, Roger, the Trump administration is attempting to secure this interpretation to end birthright citizenship moving forward.

00:24:59.280 And the birthright citizenship will be moving forward for those children born of illegal parents.

00:25:04.540 If one parent is here legally, that doesn't even necessarily mean citizenship.

00:25:09.380 And that's what happened with Wong Kim Ark.

00:25:11.660 The parents were here legally.

00:25:13.180 They were legal residents but not citizens.

00:25:15.120 They were here legally, and they got citizenship.

00:25:17.900 But we have so many that have no claim to citizenship at all, at least the parents don't. 1.00

00:25:23.420 And so moving forward, if the court adopts the administration's argument,

00:25:28.920 folks who are born to parents who are not here in the United States legally

00:25:33.460 would no longer have the automatic right to citizenship is not retroactive.

00:25:37.840 So anyone who has been recognized as being a U.S. citizen

00:25:41.340 under the interpretation of the Wong Kim Ark case, which I think is wrong,

00:25:45.960 would maintain that citizenship status.

00:25:47.940 It would simply change moving forward, and I think it needs to happen.

00:25:53.320 So basically you're arguing, and I agree,

00:25:56.140 that the courts have overstepped their authority in this matter for decades,

00:26:00.080 which is part of a broader pattern of judicial overreach

00:26:04.260 that we see across the board in America today.

00:26:07.160 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

00:26:09.080 And not just the courts, but the Roosevelt administration

00:26:12.840 began pushing this birthright citizenship thing,

00:26:15.760 and now what you're having is you're having certain courts

00:26:17.980 latching on to those cases and interpreting them in a different way.

00:26:23.120 But if you think about it, Roger, from a common sense standpoint,

00:26:25.980 none of the nations of Europe have birthright citizenship.

00:26:28.840 The principal argument, really, that the ACLU is making today was that Britain once had it.

00:26:34.020 You know, if you were born on British soil, you were deemed to be a citizen of the sovereign.

00:26:39.160 But Britain has changed that now.

00:26:40.520 But to the courts overstepping, you're absolutely correct.

00:26:43.260 We've got a problem in this country with these Article III courts, these federal district courts, just overstepping the authority.

00:26:50.640 When you go back to Federalist 78, when Alexander Hamilton wrote to the states to try to persuade them to adopt the Constitution, the states were afraid, Roger.

00:27:00.040 One of the biggest fears they had was judges acting as tyrants, wearing black robes to try to legislate and serve as the executive.

00:27:08.180 And Alexander Hamilton said a couple of things.

00:27:10.020 We ought to take heat up from Federalist 78.

00:27:12.220 One, that the judiciary is to be by far the weakest branch of government.

00:27:17.200 So the Supreme Court was put down below the other two branches.

00:27:20.640 And then, of course, he also said that you don't have to worry because judges don't have the authority to issue injunctions against either the legislative or the executive.

00:27:30.200 And the Constitution clearly gives the authority for immigration and naturalization to the legislature and to the executive and not to the courts.

00:27:40.260 The courts have overstepped.

00:27:41.300 I believe we need a Judicial Separation of Powers Act to basically clip the wings of any court trying to step in and meddle in issues concerning immigration and naturalization and the United States military.

00:27:54.780 I think that is long overdue.

00:27:56.400 Congress has the power to do it.

00:27:57.640 The question is if they have the guts to do it.

00:27:59.240 I wondered if you had a view on this decision by a D.C. judge halting the construction of the ballroom that President Trump is building within the White House compound, the White House executive office compound in Washington, D.C.

00:28:18.920 Sure, it's a separation of powers issue, Roger. You know, the Constitution divides our government into three branches. The Supreme Court is a branch of government, but the executive has the authority to operate within the agencies under the executive, and that's what this is.

00:28:37.420 And so to have a judge sit over and to insert that court into the decision-making of the President of the United States on an executive matter, on an administrative matter, essentially, is judicial overreach and is a violation of the time-honored doctrine of separation of powers.

00:28:54.780 These federal judges, Roger, have got to be brought under control.

00:28:58.900 Congress has the ability to do it.

00:29:00.240 I saw the other day that we had defunded the immigration court in San Francisco because they'd gone out of control with so many very, very liberal decisions.

00:29:09.880 Congress has the ability to ring these judges in.

00:29:11.700 The question is, will they do it?

00:29:12.740 But it's a separation of powers problem.

00:29:15.240 Yeah, this is a long pattern.

00:29:17.260 First, we found some obscure New York best court that actually rules that the president of the United States doesn't have the authority to negotiate a tariff agreement with another country.

00:29:30.520 I mean, I mean, where do they come up with this stuff?

00:29:32.560 It is really quite extraordinary.

00:29:35.120 The president seems to have more won more than his share of these cases before the Supreme Court.

00:29:41.220 But it is clearly that they are running a game of judicial tyranny.

00:29:46.240 They lost the election.

00:29:48.740 The no kings rally is kind of amusing.

00:29:52.220 Let me get this straight.

00:29:53.020 The party who nominated Kamala Harris, who didn't receive a single vote from not a single primary voter or caucus voter or delegate.

00:30:02.080 She was just anointed.

00:30:04.400 That party is calling Donald Trump, who won an election with a record number of votes, a king.

00:30:10.860 The whole thing seems upside down to me.

00:30:13.000 It is. The Democrats, they call you what they are. So they disagree with you politically. They call you a racist.

00:30:21.500 You know, they are the party of tyranny themselves. They say that you are a king.

00:30:26.800 If Donald Trump left the White House, you know, after the 2020 election, even though he won the election, in my view, and I've delved very deeply into that,

00:30:34.960 if he were a king and a tyrant, he would have stayed in the White House and caught up the National Guard.

00:30:39.500 but don't let the facts get in the way.

00:30:42.760 And I want to know, Roger, with regard to these No Kings protests,

00:30:46.800 who is behind the funding of all this?

00:30:50.120 I mean, it's analogous to what we saw with all the George Floyd riots

00:30:53.420 and all of a sudden brickbats show up.

00:30:55.620 Now, we haven't seen brickbats so much,

00:30:57.560 but somebody's paying for the signs and somebody's coordinating it.

00:31:00.560 Who's behind it and what's their objective?

00:31:02.580 I think the people have a right to know.

00:31:05.120 Actually, I did a little research on this.

00:31:07.400 there are over 300 NGOs that were involved in the funding of the No Kings operation.

00:31:15.340 So the idea that this was some indigenous grassroots uprising,

00:31:20.320 if you looked at them, the average age of the protesters was about 80.

00:31:25.880 A lot of them had pink hair.

00:31:28.040 But it is very clear that this was astroturf.

00:31:31.900 And I think I'm really very hopeful that J.D. Vance and the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besson, who I think is really among the president's very best appointees,

00:31:46.040 We'll get to the bottom of U.S. taxpayer financing of these completely political non-government organizations who they always have very highfalutin and Democratic sounding names, but they're very rarely committed to the goals stated in their title.

00:32:08.140 How much of our money is going to subsidize people who are calling for violence against the United States?

00:32:14.980 We had a demonstrator in San Francisco, I believe it was, to take it back, Los Angeles, who spray-painted, kill your local ICE agent on a federal building.

00:32:27.200 Who paid for that? 0.98

00:32:28.540 Who's paying for the flatbed trucks? 1.00

00:32:30.660 Who's paying for the buses? 0.54

00:32:32.120 Who's paying for the pallets of bricks?

00:32:34.500 Who's paying for the lawyers who immediately show to bail out the very few people who get arrested?

00:32:40.040 I really think it is essential the administration get to the bottom of that.

00:32:44.980 This is not how the American taxpayers want their money spent.

00:32:48.500 There should be an aggressive investigation.

00:32:51.340 Elon Musk made the comment, or worse to this effect, that many of these NGOs basically are set out just to funnel federal tax dollars, our tax dollars, into leftist organizations.

00:33:02.620 We had a decision or a sentencing decision come down from Minnesota yesterday in connection with a Somali, you know, food fraud case where you have an umbrella NGO taking money from the Department of Agriculture.

00:33:16.880 And the 79 defendants under that umbrella organization, 72, were Somali, and they're billing the federal government for meals and for catering services where there's no catering.

00:33:29.220 They're just pocketing it all.

00:33:30.340 When we come back, I'm going to ask Don Brown about the executive order President Trump signed today in an effort to tighten the controls on mail-in ballots, a system long used by Democrats to cheat through ballot harvesting.

00:33:44.980 You're listening to The Stone Zone. I'm talking to my friend Don Brown, and we'll be right back.

00:33:50.280 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

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00:34:27.200 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

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00:34:36.920 And we're back in the Stone Zone.

00:34:39.840 We're talking to Don Brown, former U.S. federal prosecutor, Navy JAG officer,

00:34:45.100 and Pentagon counsel.

00:34:46.920 He's a nationally recognized legal and national security analyst

00:34:50.260 with extensive experience in constitutional law, military law, and geopolitical affairs.

00:34:56.440 Don, you've done a lot of research and a lot of talking and writing about election integrity.

00:35:02.760 Today, the president took decisive action to restore confidence in an election,

00:35:06.940 signing a new executive order aimed at tightening controls on mail-in balloting,

00:35:12.120 a system that I think has long been used to cheat the vote through ballot harvesting.

00:35:19.000 Speaking from the Oval Office, the president emphasized a core principle, saying if you don't have honest elections, you can't have a nation.

00:35:26.480 The order reflects the president's ongoing commitment to election integrity, a central issue that remained in the forefront of the MAGA movement since the famous election steal of 2020.

00:35:37.320 Now, under this law, the Department of Homeland Security will compile a verified list of U.S. citizens eligible to vote in each state.

00:35:46.740 Only individuals on the list will be permitted to cast absentee ballots,

00:35:50.680 ensuring that ballots are tied directly to confirmed citizens.

00:35:53.880 And additionally, ballots would also feature secure envelopes with traceable barcodes.

00:35:58.000 My question, Don, is since the election laws are generally done by the states,

00:36:04.740 does the president have the authority under federal law to mandate this across the country?

00:36:11.280 Well, I believe so, and I'll tell you why.

00:36:13.020 Yeah. First, you're correct. The Constitution contemplates that the states were in their own elections at Article I.

00:36:19.900 But then we get into the issue of mail-in ballots.

00:36:23.180 Mail-in ballots, in my opinion, have been one of the most – one of the ripest cancers for voter fraud.

00:36:30.820 I have a friend of mine in Oregon, a Republican, who said, well, mail-in's easy. You just drop it in the mail.

00:36:35.280 And I said, Chip, I said, how many times have Republicans won since you guys in Oregon started that?

00:36:41.200 But that's beside the point. The point here is, when the Democrats began to push the concept of mail-in ballots, what method did they use for the mail-ins? They used the United States Post Office. Democrats brought the federal government into local and congressional and federal elections by using the post office as the means for delivering mail-in votes and collecting them.

00:37:04.200 Who is the commander-in-chief and who is the head of the executive branch?

00:37:08.260 The post office is under the executive branch.

00:37:12.400 The president of the United States has full authority to issue executive orders to agencies operating in the executive branch

00:37:19.400 and therefore can and has signed an executive order to try to curtail the fraudulent voting.

00:37:27.640 So the Democrats are going to come attack this, trying to use the argument that you suggested

00:37:33.500 that it should be vested with the states.

00:37:35.120 But this is an executive order to a federal agency of the United States government,

00:37:39.560 which doesn't violate anybody's constitutional rights.

00:37:42.280 It's not an unconstitutional order.

00:37:44.360 What is unconstitutional about ensuring that only American citizens vote?

00:37:48.260 So I think the president is on solid legal ground here,

00:37:51.420 and I think this is where you're going to see the issue break down.

00:37:55.340 But understand, when I say break down, I mean this is where the line of demarcation is going to be

00:38:00.940 between left and right when we get into the courts.

00:38:03.500 But what I told some of the folks on Newsmax today, I was discussing this earlier in another interview, if you want to deal with this problem altogether, then you end mail-in voting altogether and end the post office's involvement, and then you don't have to worry about it.

00:38:20.500 But if you're going to bring the federal government in and bring a federal agency in, the president has the ability to issue executive orders that don't violate the law, and that's exactly what he's done here, in my opinion.

00:38:29.840 It astounds me that today there are 50 votes in the U.S. Senate for the SAVE Act, sometimes called the Save America Act, which simply requires that one be a U.S. citizen in order to vote in a federal election and that one have a photo ID.

00:38:46.800 And we can't get that to the floor for a vote because of an antiquated Senate rule, the filibuster rule.

00:38:54.600 The real problem here are not the left-wing, socialist, Marxist Democrats.

00:38:59.560 The real problem are the gutless, feckless, weak-kneed, lily-livered, white wine-swilling, country club belonging, establishment Republicans who just don't have the guts to stand up for this country.

00:39:14.600 All right, I'm afraid we have to end it there.

00:39:16.460 I want to thank my guest, Don Brown.

00:39:18.360 Once again, I want to highly recommend his book, Kangaroo Court.

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