The Stone Zone ｜ 04-03-25
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Summary
The Panama Canal has been a vital trade route built by the United States to connect the atlantic nations. It has been under U.S. control for 75 years, but now it s under the control of the Chinese communist government.
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this is the stone zone with roger stone people love him and respect him roger stone now get
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in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone welcome to the stone zone here on the red
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apple audio networks do you remember when president ronald reagan warned us of the folly
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of giving away control of the panama canal at that time of course he was just former california
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governor ronald reagan running for the presidency this issue revitalized his campaign against
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gerald ford who had ascended to the presidency after being appointed vice president upon the
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resignation of vice president sparrow agnew and then of course ford became president
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upon the resignation of richard milhouse nixon but reagan challenged ford in 1976 it was a
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as they say a close run thing and he revitalized his campaign for president by raising the secret
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deal that gerald ford and secretary of state henry kissinger were engaged in to give away control
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of the panama canal for the princely sum of one dollar to the tin pot dictator omar torreos
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then in control of panama well it turns out ronald reagan was right although it wasn't ford who gave
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away the canal he supported the canal giveaway only to be defeated in the following election by jimmy
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carter who consummated the deal to give away this vital asset which was both a national security
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uh and a commercial question that put this country in danger listen to president ronald reagan
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if these reports are true it means that the american people have been deceived
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by a state department preoccupied with secrecy the panama canal zone is sovereign united states territory
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just as much as alaska is as well as the states carved from the louisiana purchase
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we bought it we paid for it and general torreos should be told we're going to keep it well we
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didn't keep it and ronald reagan is right now the panama canal has come under the control of the
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chinese communist government which is why earlier this month blackrock a u.s based company secured
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control at least on paper over key ports near the panama canal stripping away chinese linked influence
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over one of the world's most crucial chinese uh shipping routes the 23 billion dollar deal which
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includes five billion in debt would effectively place the strategic ports under american control
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this is a move advocated by president donald trump and the national security hawks concerned about
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china's grip on our global infrastructure the transaction that was announced last tuesday involves
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hong kong-based ck hutchinson holdings selling its controlling stock stock in hutchinson port holdings and
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hutchinson port group holdings to a u.s led consortium spearheaded by blackrock
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this historic acquisition is set to grant control over 43 ports in 23 countries including major sites in
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mexico the netherlands egypt australia pakistan and panama's critical ports of balboa and cristobal
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the two primary gateways to the panama canal now president donald trump has vowed to take back the
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panama canal arguing that panama has violated its neutrality pledge and allowed china to gain control
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of that crucial waterway emphasizing the canal's strategic importance which is a vital trade route
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built by the united states to connect the atlantic nations he warned that it must not be allowed to
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fall into the wrong hands you see the panamanians are in violation of the agreement that they signed
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in which we turned over control of the canal to them as i said for the princely sum of one dollar
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the panama canal zone has been under u.s control for 75 years until of course as i say jimmy carter
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gave it back to panama in 1977 signing treaties with panama's then leader general omar turrios
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almost 38 000 workers risked their lives during its construction due to diseases like malaria and in 2004
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america spent nearly 287 million dollars to build the canal that is equivalent to well over 10 billion
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dollars today 6 500 americans lost their lives during the construction of the panama canal
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the stretch of 50 miles long and 10 miles wide in the middle of the panamanian isthmus
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had been given under u.s control since 1903 but jimmy carter gave it all the way for a buck
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and since then the crucial transportation route has come under the complete and total control
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of the communist chinese two chinese companies operate the two huge ports on both ends of the
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panama canal and the concession for these ports were extended to 2021 for a 25 year period without
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any bidding or notice to the united states chinese communist party officials are well known to bribe
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other officials in countries all around the world in addition the government of panama is violating the treaty
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which they got for the princely sum of a hundred dollars panama has been unwilling and unable as well
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to close the darien gap where millions of immigrants have come across to invade the united states this is yet
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another violation of u.s sovereignty and a hostile act against our nation by panama once more both the
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chinese control over canal infrastructure and the exorbitant fees they're currently charging for canal
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transits are a violation of the neutrality treaty between the united states and panama if the united
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united states under president donald trump determines that panama panama is in violation of the treaty
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we may yet decide to use the military to take back control of the canal and that may be the appropriate
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remedy in a senate hearing in january professor and executive director of the antonin scalia law school
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eugene konturovich testified and i quote it may be shocking to people to hear today but when one goes
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over the ratification history and the debates and discussions in this senate body over the treaty it's
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clear that the treaty was understood as giving both sides separately the right to resort to use armed
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force to enforce the provisions of the treaty now of course armed force should never be the first
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recourse for any kind of international dispute and should not be arrived at rashly or before negotiations
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or any other kind of good offices are exhausted however it's quite clear that the treaty contemplates that
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as a remedy for violation president trump will very soon have to make a decision with china blocking the
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transfer of critical ports to a blackrock owned company chinese regulators are investigating the deal for
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the two ports in panama canal zone delaying the deal's closing as it was originally set for last week
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president donald trump has previously threatened to take control once again of the canal as ronald reagan
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one of our greatest presidents said we built it we paid for it and it's ours i think you can count on
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president donald trump to take back the panama canal why because it puts the interests of america first
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speaking of the interests of america first today is a liberation day this is the day that president
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donald trump has marked for the beginning of putting reciprocal tariffs on any country charging our
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country tariffs for the goods and services that they sell in our nation folks this is far bigger than
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perhaps you think it is it's not just about the united states it is about the world economy let's listen to
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a little bit of donald trump declaring what is an action that i think brings us into the golden age of peace
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prosperity security and justice that president trump has been talking about let me offer just a few examples
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of the vicious attacks our workers have faced for so many years the united states charges other countries
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only a 2.4 tariff on motorcycles meanwhile thailand and others are charging much higher prices like 60
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india charges 70 vietnam charges 75 and others are even higher than that likewise until today the united states
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has for decades charged a 2.5 tariff think of that 2.5 percent on foreign-made automobiles the european
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union charges us more than 10 10 tariff and they have 20 20 vats much much higher india charges 70
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and perhaps worst of all are the non-monetary restrictions imposed by south korea japan and
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very many other nations as a result of these colossal trade barriers 81 of the cars in south korea are made in
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south korea 94 of the cars in japan are made in japan toyota sells 1 million foreign-made automobiles into
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the united states and general motors sells almost none ford sells very little none of our companies are
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allowed to go into other countries and i say that friend and foe and in many cases the friend is worse than
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the foe in terms of trade but such horrendous imbalances have devastated our industrial base
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and put our national security at risk i don't blame these other countries at all for this calamity
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i blame former presidents and past leaders who weren't doing their job they let it happen
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and they let it happen to an extent that nobody can even believe that's why effective at midnight
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we will impose a 25 tariff on all foreign-made automobiles there's going to be new investment
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there's going to be new plants built and the uaw members and i brought 20 of them with me they're
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sitting uh so donald trump is deadly serious about this you know when they ask him who is his favorite
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president sometimes he says ronald reagan he's restored the portrait the oil portrait of ronald reagan
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to the oval office uh but i think his real favorite president was william mckinley you see when william
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mckinley was president we had no federal income tax america's government operations were funded
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solely by the revenue from tariffs uh proving that it can be done when donald trump says he is serious
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about phasing out the u.s income tax and closing down the irs he's not kidding folks his secretary of
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state scott besant who could be the greatest secretary of state since al pardon secretary of the treasury
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since alexander hamilton uh is quite serious about the real possibility of closing down the irs
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uh and ending the federal income tax they often claim that we as conservatives want to turn back
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the clock well i'd like to turn back the clock to the time that america had no federal income tax
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and that we ran our entire country on the basis of tariff revenues by the way under president william
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mckinley we also liberated cuba that wouldn't be so bad either you're listening to the stone zone
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this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and you're back in the stone zone i'm so happy to be back after five days of laryngitis i want to
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thank the literally hundreds by now it may be thousands of folks who emailed or text me uh missing
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me here in the stone zone it's so great to be back in the zone i want to thank you all for your prayers
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and best wishes imagine my surprise watching the congressional hearings led ably i might add by
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congressman anna polina luna looking into the release of the documents pertaining to the assassination
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of president john f kennedy when congresswoman lauren bobert from colorado seemed to confuse me with
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oliver stone the director of the film jfk take a listen
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thank you madam chair thank you to our witnesses for being here today uh hopefully we can stay on
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topic for the rest of this hearing we seem to be wrapping up pretty um close here mr stone um
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you wrote a book accusing lbj of being involved in the killing of uh president kennedy uh did these
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did these most recent releases uh confirm or negate your initial charge
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no no i didn't uh if you look closely at the film there's no look it it accuses the president
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johnson okay of part being part of a complicit in a cover-up of the case but not in the assassination
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itself which i don't know what what do you think that he was complicit with yes sir i'll get to you
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cover up well how about for starters appointing alan dulles the head of the cia who was fired by
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kennedy to the commission itself to the warren commission and he goes to almost every meeting and
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he's pretty much in charge of the warren commission from the beginning alan dulles that's uh part of the
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evidence that points to president johnson's either incompetence or involvement mr morley i think you had
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something to add on that i think you're confusing uh mr oliver stone with mr roger stone
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yes sorry it's roger stone who implicated lbj in the assassination of the president it's not
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my friend all the whispers were there i may have i may have misinterpreted that and i apologize for
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that but there there's seems to be some alluding of like you said incompetence or or some sort of
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involvement there on the back end but there you're not not sorry i'm going to move on mr morley um
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i would like to um talk more about uh there you have it you can't pay for publicity like that yes i
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wrote the new york times bestseller the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj the only difference
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between oliver stone and me is i believe that lbj planned and orchestrated the murder of jfk and i
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prove it in my book where oliver stone who dropped me a nice note telling me he wished he had read my
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book before he made his film concedes that lbj was involved in the cover-up you're listening to the
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stone zone and we'll be right back to talk about the strategic importance of the panama canal
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and why president ronald reagan was absolutely right we should never have given it away and why
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president donald trump is right when he says perhaps it's time to take it back whatever you do
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this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back in the stone zone joining me now retired colonel rob manis rob manis has a lifelong
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record of providing dedicated service to our country he made the decision as a 17 year old
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high school senior to enlist in the united states air force and has served in uniform as the country
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faced multiple crises around the world he worked his way up from the enlisted ranks to be a full
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colonel and retired from active duty in 2011 ending his military service of more than 32 years now
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we only have about 15 minutes in this segment if i read his entire biography and all the service he
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has rendered to this country uh well we'd use the whole segment and we wouldn't get to talk to
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colonel manis so i'm going to skip through this other than to say that rob manis is one of the
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gentlemen that i look to for analysis of any geopolitical or geo military question someone
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who has my enormous respect he is as a private citizen also an outspoken supporter of president
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donald trump and his america first agenda uh and it is a great honor to have him today in the stone
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zone uh colonel manis welcome hey roger thanks for having me so uh in our earlier segment we focused
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on the strategic and commercial importance of the panama canal now i worked in three presidential
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campaigns uh on the staff of ronald reagan in 1976 when he challenged gerald ford for the republican
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nomination i was the national director of youth for reagan uh working directly for senator paul
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laxalt the national chairman of our campaign uh in 1980 when i was the northeastern regional director
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for ronald reagan's presidential campaign handling new york new jersey and connecticut uh and then in
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1984 uh when i handled those three states uh plus all the states in new england all the way to the
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canadian border plus at the recommendation president of president nixon uh the reagan campaign also
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assigned me ohio on the theory that if you took one large state and you kept it out of uh walter
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mondale's clutches uh that he could not possibly win remember it very well uh nixon told reagan
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assign ohio to stone he said stone's an animal i always considered that a compliment but ronald reagan
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was right when he warned us that this day would come uh tell us what's going on today in panama
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and about the strategic importance of the canal and the canal zone
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well from a national security perspective uh you know i think most people know but especially those of
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us have practiced that as a profession that it's the largest choke point uh for navy traffic uh u.s navy
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and international navy traffic in the world uh you know and uh we're we're risking lives to protect the
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international traffic and the dead in the red sea uh because this is a critically important shipping
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lane the panama canal is probably to the united states a hundred times more important than that uh
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not but not but it goes way beyond just navy traffic uh you know china controls the companies
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at each end of the canal the port companies at this point and every company that's chinese
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uh has a part of it if not wholly owned by the communist chinese party or the people's liberation army
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and navy uh so it's extremely important that uh we get control of that back uh and i think the
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president had lined up president trump had lined up to have a company uh buy those ports uh but china's
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uh obviously pushing back against that deal but you know what else is going on uh economically uh i don't
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know if you guys talked about this in your last segment but uh we're trying to expand our liquefied
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natural gas lng marketing uh out to new markets and the panama canal is crucial to that because the lng
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exporter capability in the united states it's on the gulf coast and louisiana and places like that
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uh so that canal uh has to be able to carry that type of energy type product uh for us so that we can
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easily get through there get to the uh to the pacific theater of operations and deliver that uh to
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potentially new customers so it's very much uh tied together from a national security and an economic
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security perspective uh and obviously with everything that's going on in the world the more
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that we can have direct control over from a trade perspective the better off our country's going to
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be and i think the president's done the exact right thing with the tariff issue uh i was pleased to see
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liberation day yesterday i still have a smile on my face with that because uh because it puts
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the manufacturing capability is going to come back to the united states uh that we have been
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offshoring for decades now and it's made us weak you know china controls 90 percent of the
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precursor materials for antibiotics uh we can't make antibiotics on our own without the chinese
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communist party so we have to bring that type of manufacturing back but we also need the canal
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for free flow of our goods especially with this lng exporting effort to expand that going on
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uh as someone who served his country at the highest levels of our military i have to ask you about what
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has become known as signal gate now i'm amused to see uh senators uh like uh mark warner of virginia who
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i went back and looked uh he had no problem whatsoever when robert malley a high level
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biden state department official was sharing classified documents with the iranians uh he actually never even
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got fired they just they just suspended his security clearance they also left let his confederates who
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were involved uh in the in the uh transfer of these classified documents to iran uh continue in their
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positions uh at state he never said a word uh when hillary clinton got caught sending 30 plus
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thousand classified documents over an illegal computer server located in her bathroom once again not a peep
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from mark warner but now he's in a lather uh about uh a signal uh exchange in which based on what i've seen
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no classified information was exposed give us your take on uh on signal gate if you will
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well let's talk about the information itself there's been a lot of uh uh uh angst about that
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and lathering up as you said uh with senator warner uh and his ilk over that information none of that
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information was classified not one iota of it uh there were not enough specifics in that thread
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uh for anything to be classified but but even if secretary hegg said and that's the information
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that most people are talking about is what he put into the chat or his phone did uh is uh put in he is
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the original classifying authority on there just like president trump is the overall original
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classifying authority for every single piece of classified uh secretary hegg said the defense
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secretary is the oca for that information and even if it had been classified if he chose to put that
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in there it's declassified uh from that perspective so now let's talk about signal uh itself it's an
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in the end-to-end encrypted chat and this is one of the areas that i'm concerned about is that
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the national security team and national security council team especially under mike waltz
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they got to get that that stuff together they have to investigate how that reporter goldberg
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from the atlantic i mean the worst uh fake news guy russiagate all of it the suckers and losers lie
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all of that that they tried to use to hurt president trump and the team uh was due to that one guy so
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that's a major issue and i'm not seeing anything yet that makes me satisfied that that team is cleaned up
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uh uh internally and that they don't have people that have access to their information threads like
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the signal chat uh that shouldn't have access to it so waltz has got to get that fixed now let's talk
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about the senators because you didn't mention the republican senator that has also joined in with warner
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and is demanding a dod inspector general investigation of hegseth uh over the signal thing uh you know my
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senator roger wicker i agree with him on a lot of things like increasing shipbuilding and uh get
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returning to peace through strength instead of being in endless war policies when it comes to
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china but i disagree with him on a lot too on this i disagree with him it's absolutely unnecessary
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number one because the national security council is the team that set that chat up it wasn't the
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department of defense uh so there is no reason whatsoever to investigate secretary hegseth or the
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department of defense over that particular issue look i'm all for investigating the government i don't
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trust hardly anybody in the government but i do trust president trump's appointees uh and that they
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need the maximum flexibility uh possible so we can move forward and get the president's policies that
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we all voted for in place and throttled up so that we're they're running uh uh appropriately and calling
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for investigations when it's not necessary is just the wrong thing to do yeah i agree with that this
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is beginning to look to me like an effort to get uh hegseth to oust hegseth yeah uh that's because
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he was an outside the box anti-establishment choice uh he's the right choice i strongly supported the
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president's nominee uh when i defended this uh uh in a on a show with chris cuomo uh it was amazing the
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way they twisted what i said see i don't trust any online uh service encrypted or unencrypted i frankly
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think they're all vulnerable to being uh hacked they're all vulnerable to being monitored so i always
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operate on the assumption that anything you put in writing online you should have seen that someone
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else is going to have the ability to see it so don't say stupid things online that's kind of my attitude
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right uh i was defending these people but if you read their story it makes it appear like i was
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criticizing them which i was not uh but the democrats have spun this up because frankly they don't have
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anything else to talk about it was interesting to see cory booker the senator from new jersey
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breaking the previously held uh filibuster record held by uh senator strom thurman of south carolina who
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spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes without a bathroom break i might add uh uh back in 1957
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cory brooker has now broken that record he spoke for slightly longer but strangely enough with all that
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time he never explained why when he was the mayor of newark new jersey he authorized the new york city the
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new york newark city water authority known as watershed to pay 200 000 to his law firm which he then put in
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his pocket and when confronted by reporters he said that he didn't vote for that yet uh if you and
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they're hard to find but when i found the actual formal minutes of the meeting he was not only in the chair
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but he also voted for the disbursement then he came up with three different explanations as to why
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he got that money once he said it had no connection uh to watershed that it was the buyout of his uh and
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his uh uh portion of the law firm another point he said it was deferred compensation i'll tell you what it
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was it was graft that's what it was and he's never been never answered that question i actually wrote
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a biography on him it's called spartacus the real cory booker story it's now out of print but i might
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bring it back to tell you the truth uh it may be time to put it back in truth by the way what you saw
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there was the launch of cory booker's presidential campaign uh because he sees himself as a presidential
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candidate by the way he is the senator from greenwich village he doesn't even live in new jersey
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uh could sorry i hope to get a copy of that book sir uh i'm gonna i gotta pull it out of mothballs
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i i published it when he was running for president but his campaign was such a flop didn't sell many
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copies but if he's gonna run again i may have to republish it again when we come back i'm gonna ask
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colonel manis about cuba and the fact that the chinese have a very sophisticated spy station set
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up in cuba but i also want to know do they have missiles and if they have missiles are they offensive
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missiles or defensive missiles and do they pose the same danger that russian missiles uh posed to this
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nation in 1962 when the russians put them in cuba we'll be right back with colonel rob manis right
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here in the stone zone so don't go away this is the stone zone with roger stone the stone zone
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this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back with colonel rob manis a retired colonel manis led numerous combat operations
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during his military service including as a bomb squadron commander in operation enduring freedom
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and operation iraqi freedom colonel manis also served as an enlisted bomb disposal technician in
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three assignments countering terrorism before being commissioned and selected for flight training
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uh he is a man who's put his life on the line for his country and we are honored to have him with
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us today i want to focus on that question uh regarding cuba that i raised before the break
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my wife is a cuban american she is one of those who fled the castro regime her family uh and she as a child
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uh and um therefore i have a special interest in the the uh the regime 90 miles off of our shore
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uh cuba was a great danger to the united states then with the fall of the iron curtain uh and the
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collapse really of the russian economy when they could no longer subsidize uh their comrades in cuba
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uh they became less of a danger to us uh but now they seem to have been scooped up by the chinese
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uh it is indisputable that joe biden's administration knew they had a sophisticated
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spying operation set up on the cuban island about which he did nothing and some military experts tell
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me that they also have missiles uh and that all those missiles although those missiles may be defensive
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with a very slight technological fix they could be offensive missiles what is the situation going on
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today uh between us and cuba well i think uh with president trump coming into office uh you're going
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to see the view of the united states from a an official perspective change back to one of questioning
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why are uh why are the chinese armed forces allowed to have bases on the island uh why are they being
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allowed to run these surveillance operations uh on the island they're so close as you reminded us you
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know it's 90 miles away uh so electronic surveillance uh capability that we have today uh is uh much more
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effective than it would have been even 10 years ago uh not just that but uh there are uh cable lines
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that they give them access to the digital networks inside the united states that they are able to get
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access to uh being in such close proximity and uncontrolled uh and i think uh and i hope that i'm
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we're going to see the national security team uh start putting pressure on the cuban government
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again to get those forces removed uh uh but uh you know one of the one of the conflicting issues
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though is the russia ukraine war roger and as the president tries to stop the killing over there
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uh and uh i wish it could happen tomorrow uh because that's going to be a conflicting issue uh when
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every time we talk about china being 90 miles away uh the other side gets to talk about what we're
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letting uh you know uh russia expecting russia to allow uh nato to be right up against its border
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and so that kind of debate uh will get generated out of that but uh knowing president trump he'll
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ignore that and push through uh to take care of the interests of the united states of america in both
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of those situations and uh i'm so glad that he's in office because we're going to stop we're going to
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get the killing stopped uh in europe uh and get that situation resolved yeah i don't think it's
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an illegitimate argument by the way we signed the budapest memorandum in which we promised when the
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russians united east and west germany or they allowed us to have it reunited we agreed not to push
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ukraine into nato which means not to mount nato missiles on the ground in nato aimed at russia
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we reaffirmed that in the minisc accords we are in violation putin has made it abundantly clear
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that that was his line in the sand no i'm not pro-putin i have many of my own family relatives
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mowed down by russian tanks in budapest in 1956 uh so they'll they'll say oh roger stone's a rollover
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for putin he's a pro-russian no not not not not even an iota yeah uh but i understand uh why the
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russians might not want uh intercontinental ballistic missiles on their border pointed
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at the nation all right we're out of time i want to thank my special guest retired colonel rob
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manis he has a killer uh uh substack that you might want to check out uh but i appreciate your being with
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us colonel and i appreciate your bringing your real world defense and national security expertise
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to my listeners here in the stone zone my friend thank you for being with us and god bless you
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thank you sir and i hope to get you on the show to spend an hour with me talking about who killed
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john f kennedy uh now that all these documents have been released i would be most honored to do so
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for you out there listening to the stone zone i want to thank you as well until we meet again
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god bless you and god speed and yes god bless america