The Stone Zone | 04-15-25
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The Stone Zone is a new show on the Red Apple Podcasts Network, hosted by Republican strategist Roger Stone. In this episode, Stone talks about the Iran nuclear deal, the border wall, and the California Sanctuary State Act.
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The U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, an appointee of President Donald Trump,
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has indicated that the United States is looking to limit, rather than dismantle, Tehran's nuclear program.
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And Witkoff said, the president means what he says, which is, Iran cannot have a bomb.
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That's what Witkoff told Fox News in a Monday interview, elaborating that the, quote,
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conversation, close quote, with Iran would be about enrichment and weaponization with the imperative to verify that any agreed commitment is completely and totally verified.
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You don't need to run, as they claim, a civil nuclear program when enriching past 3.67%.
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These comments, to me, indicate the United States is looking to limit Iran's uranium enrichment, rather than dismantle its nuclear program altogether,
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as many analysts believe the United States is therefore closer to a peace deal in the region.
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We're here to see if we can solve the situation diplomatically and with dialogue.
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The first meeting was very positive, constructive, and compelling, said Envoy Witkoff.
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I think this yet again proves that Donald Trump was elected as the peace candidate.
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There are many forces trying to goad the United States into war with Iran.
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I myself believe that this would be an enormous mistake.
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I agree with Tucker Carlson, my friend of 30 years plus, about this.
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There was no chance of peace in the region with Joe Biden as president.
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In the Oval Office yesterday, President Trump says Iran has to get rid of its concept of nuclear weapons.
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In the meantime, President Trump has authorized the military to take over jurisdiction of all federal lands along the border with Mexico as, quote,
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reasonably necessary as possible to enable border security operations.
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Now, illegal border crossings into the United States have already dropped by 93%.
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Remember when Joe Biden told us that there was really nothing he could do without the enactment of new laws?
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The so-called Lankford bill they kept talking about by RINO Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma.
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When you looked closely at the Lankford bill, it actually grandfathered the passage of other two and a half million illegals into the country every year.
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In fact, most of the money in the bill was for the processing of those illegals into the country.
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Yeah, they'd be given a future hearing date, but then they would disappear into the United States and never be seen or heard from again.
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The president has kept his promise to close our southern border, and he is now proceeding to deal directly with the Chinese on the question of the deadly fentanyl,
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which has become an epidemic in the United States, but most of which originates in, you guessed it, China.
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President Trump's executive order creates a new military installation spanning the Roosevelt Reservation along three states,
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a 60-foot strip of land running through California, Arizona, and New Mexico.
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This is land that President Teddy Roosevelt specifically set aside in 1907 for purposes of border security.
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The border will now have military-grade surveillance, military enforcement rules, and restricted access like any U.S. military base.
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This is the use of our military to seal our borders, something our guest today, Colonel Douglas McGregor, has long recommended and advocated.
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Illegal crossing the border will be trespassers on military property now and therefore subject to military security protocols.
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This means no sanctuary, no legal loopholes, and the Department of Defense can now finish the wall as part of this military operation.
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In related news, President Trump's new California U.S. Attorney Bill S.A. Lee says that he will fight sanctuary state policies and warns of prosecution for anyone who interferes with immigration law,
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as leftist officials in the state seem to continue to defy Tom Homan and ICE.
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I can tell you this, I know Tom Homan, I know him well, he's a friend, he is one tough customer, somebody you don't want to fool around with.
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He's exactly the right choice for this position as President Donald Trump is quite serious about not only sealing our border,
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but also deporting the illegals and terrorists who managed to get into the country under Joe Biden.
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We see this fight raging right now about a violent gang member who was correctly deported to El Salvador.
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Now, some in the media have tried to say that this individual is a U.S. citizen.
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He's a citizen of El Salvador, and he was in the country illegally where he violated the law, and he has been correctly deported.
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Now I see that the U.S. senator from Maryland, Chris Van Holen, is going to El Salvador to try to negotiate his return to the United States.
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That is, by the way, a violation of the Logan Act.
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You're not allowed to go out and conduct your own foreign policy and your own negotiations.
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Senator Van Holen should be charged with violation of the Logan Act.
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They're not legal, and this administration is going to use every tool at their disposal to end the concept of sanctuary states and cities,
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particularly those in California, according to the new U.S. attorney there.
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We would be willing to charge and prosecute state officials if they interfere in our investigations or in our ability to apprehend criminal illegal immigrants when they're acting within the law.
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Yes, under Donald Trump, law and order is back.
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California officials may be criminally liable under 8 U.S. Code 1324, which carries penalties of prison time for facilitating the invasion and harboring of illegal aliens.
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Incredibly, now a Wisconsin man has been arrested for murdering his mother and stepfather to, quote,
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obtain the financial means and autonomy necessary to kill President Donald Trump and overthrow the U.S. government.
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Nikita Kassap, 17, was arrested in March, charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of hiding a corpse after killing his mother,
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Tatiana Kassap, 35, and his stepfather, Donald Mayer, 51, in their Waukesha home,
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then stashing their bullet-ridden bodies under blankets for weeks.
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Documents written by the teen called for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to, quote,
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The teen's scrawling show images of Adolf Hitler with the following text,
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Hail Hitler, hail the white race, hail victory.
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In a federal affidavit, investigators said that he was in touch with other parties about his plan to kill the president
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and overthrow the government of the United States.
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And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit this attack.
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Other parties with whom Mr. Kassap was in contact appear to have been aware of his plans and actions
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and have provided assistance to Kassap in carrying them out.
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Now, the police performed a welfare check at his family home on the 28th of February
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after the teen was absent from the Waukesha West High School for two weeks.
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There, the police found this teenager's mom buried under a pile of clothes and blankets in the hallway
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near the kitchen with multiple shots to the neck, upper torso, abdomen, and her right wrist.
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Kassap has not entered a plea and remains in custody.
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Meanwhile, here in the Sunshine State, the corruption probe continues to surge.
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This is a shocking corruption scandal in which it became clear that Governor and Mrs. Ron DeSantis
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actually re-diverted over $10 million from Medicaid.
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This is money that was supposed to be used to pay for health care for the poor, the elderly,
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and people who are disabled over to a slush fund controlled by the governor's wife,
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The HOPE Project then transferred the $10 million to two different campaign organizations
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that were working against a controversial constitutional amendment that was on the ballot in the last election
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that would have legalized marijuana in the Sunshine State.
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Today, the $10 million transfer is in violation of both state and federal law.
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This was part of a $57 million settlement that was supposed to go back to the taxpayers.
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Instead, $10 million was siphoned off to Casey DeSantis' nonprofit.
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Days later, as I say, that organization transferred the money to a couple of dark money nonprofits.
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Now, Republicans in the state legislature, not Democrats, but Republicans,
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are probing this entire operation where there are multiple violations of both federal and state law.
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Governor DeSantis has lashed out at the Republicans in the state legislature saying that the whole thing is a smear.
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It is clear that the nonprofit in question, the HOPE Foundation,
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has filed none of its necessary financial disclosures with the state.
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And I believe that there are, contrary to the claims of the state administration,
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a series of both state and federal crimes here.
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Now, this comes at a very bad time for Governor DeSantis
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because he has put forward the idea that his wife, Casey DeSantis, should follow him as governor.
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You see, Florida has a two-term limitation on the number of terms that a governor can serve.
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And, well, Governor DeSantis, who was ignominiously defeated,
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I would say embarrassed in his presidential campaign in 2024, has aspirations to run again.
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I'm not sure what he found about the last election that was encouraging,
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but he's made it pretty clear that he intends to run for president again.
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I haven't seen anything like this since Lurleen Wallace followed her husband, Governor George Wallace,
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Why the governor thinks that his wife is qualified to be governor of the state of Florida,
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President Donald Trump has endorsed Naples area Congressman Byron Donalds for this job.
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We both spoke at the Collier County Lincoln-Reagan-Trump dinner.
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And I can tell you he will not only be the first African-American governor of Florida,
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When we come back, Colonel Douglas McGregor will join us.
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He is a gifted military theoretician, a Ph.D., an expert on all matters pertaining to both defense
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We've got a lot of questions for Colonel McGregor.
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He is a legendary figure in our U.S. military for a tank battle that he directed.
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They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
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And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.
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And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
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Here we talk politics, style, news, history, and occasionally food.
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Today I'm privileged to have as our guest Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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He is a decorated combat veteran and author of five books, a Ph.D., and the defense and
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foreign policy expert that I respect perhaps more than any other in the country.
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Doug McGregor was commissioned in the regular army in 1976 after one year at VMI and four
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In 2004, Colonel McGregor retired with the rank of colonel.
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In 2020, the president appointed McGregor to serve as senior advisor to the Secretary of
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Defense, a post he held until President Trump left office.
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He has a master's degree in comparative politics and a Ph.D.
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in international relations from the University of Virginia.
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Now, Colonel McGregor is widely known inside the United States, Europe, Israel, Russia, China,
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and Korea for both his outside-the-box thinking and his leadership in the Battle of 73 Easting,
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the U.S. Army's largest tank battle since World War II, as well as for his groundbreaking
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I was reading a book by Alexander Coburn, Nobody's Idea of a Conservative, and I came across
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this passage, describing Colonel Douglas McGregor as a gifted military theoretician who had led
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an armored squadron and fought a victorious tank battle in 1991 during Desert Storm.
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McGregor had long brooded on what he considered the outmoded organization of army combat units
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into 20,000 men divisions and proposed the division's reorganizations into smaller, more flexible
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units capable of more agile deployment and maneuver.
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Forthright in his judgments when he's speaking to superiors, unfortunately, McGregor has suffered
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the traditional fate of innovative military thinking, his radical and new ideas, exciting
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fear and distrust among those at the highest level of our military.
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I don't think there could be any greater compliment.
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I'm going to bring him with us, and then we're going to cut to a break.
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But Colonel Douglas McGregor, thank you so much for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
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We've got a lot to cover here, but the most important one, of course, is war and peace,
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what's happening in the Middle East, what's happening also between Ukraine and Russia.
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We're about to talk to our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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Joining us once again, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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This is the distinguished officer that I respect perhaps more than any other in the country
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when it comes to matters of geopolitical defense and national security,
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but also one who understands the politics and its limitations.
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Colonel McGregor, the other night you texted me an interview with Secretary Pete Hegseth,
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But he says that we, the United States, are ready to launch powerful strikes deep within Iran
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I tend to agree with my colleague, Tucker Carlson.
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I think war with Iran would be a horrific mistake.
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So what did you mean when you sent me this interview?
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First, you know, and I think you would agree with this,
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is that Trump's instincts on a whole range of policy issues, not just foreign and defense,
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And one of my frustrations with President Trump in the past has been his failure to follow his own instincts.
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And right in his White House, with large numbers of people who are hell-bent to go to war with Iran.
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And they seem to think that threats and bullying tactics are somehow or another helpful.
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When you're negotiating with someone, frankly, Roger, it pays to say as little as possible.
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And once the negotiation is completed, you reach some sort of decision, good, bad, or otherwise,
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But I think President Trump wants very much to reach an accommodation with Iran.
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So I would refrain from saying anything at this point that is belligerent or threatening,
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because it simply drives away the people that you're trying to bring on board.
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And that's a difficult thing to do right now, because we're asking the Iranians to accept life in a region
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And that's a hard pill to swallow for them, and I think for large numbers of other people in the region,
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Now, whether or not that appeals to us is irrelevant.
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Whitcoff and President Trump have a very difficult challenge.
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And I hope that what Mr. Whitcoff has said about events turns out to be the case,
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So whatever we can do to be supportive of a positive outcome of an accommodation,
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we should support that and encourage, I think, President Trump to listen to his own instincts,
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For those listening to this interview with Colonel Douglas McGregor,
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you can follow him at OurCountryYourChoice.com.
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Look, I always thought, and I could be wrong about this,
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that the sanctions that President Trump put on the Iranians during his first term
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I mean, it's an oil-rich country, but they were not even able to sell their oil
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to their Chinese patrons under those circumstances.
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Therefore, it occurred to me that when Joe Biden and his administration
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unfroze over $190 billion of wealth to go to the Iranians,
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that it was inevitable that they would not only restart their nuclear weapons development program,
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but they would also begin to fund Islamic terrorism again,
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Could sanctions be effective or successful yet again in the new administration?
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I think the sanctions in the past have been much less effective
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to the point where everyone has found workarounds.
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I mean, one of the things that we need to keep in mind,
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is that the Chinese in particular have built alternatives to reliance
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on the movement of oil and gas via the Straits of Hormuz by sea to China.
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In fact, the Belt and Road Initiative is very much a part of creating a system
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that we with our Navy cannot interrupt or disrupt.
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and this is the problem with our tariffs and so forth,
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over the last five years, the world has changed.
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In other words, at some point, your sanctions are counterproductive.
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which is one of the reasons that he's folding pretty quickly
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He's now said clearly the automotive industry needs the trade,
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I think we're going to see that with all forms of electronics
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I just don't think he's being well-advised on these things.
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And I don't think that we will get further by threatening and bullying.
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I think we'll get further with more accommodation and recognition
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that other countries have legitimate rights and interests.
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We have had a bad habit, particularly with Biden.
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I mean, his administration just cast any caution to the winds
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and treated anyone else's interests with complete disinterest.
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Colonel McGregor is the CEO of OurCountryOurChoice.com.
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And look, I appreciate being corrected on the sanctions.
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I'm not a military strategist, nor am I a world economist.
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China seems to be cutting off the experts of rare earth minerals
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needed in the production of automobiles, aerospace, and defense manufacturing.
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I mean, what is the best way for America to respond to that?
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I mean, the things that we sell most are things that China can easily replace.
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Our biggest exports are agricultural products and energy.
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And the only other thing that we export in great quantity is military equipment and bombs.
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So someone put it recently in terms of the three Bs, bushels, barrels, and bombs.
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Well, the Chinese can replace the agricultural and the energy output very, very easily
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On the other hand, we're very dependent on the Chinese for a lot of the microcircuitry,
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And, you know, this is something else that's depressing about us, Roger.
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We should have built a rare earth refinery in North America a long time ago.
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And right now, if you find rare earths, and I happen to be in this business at the moment,
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and you extract them successfully, and we have a lot of rare earths out there, it's just
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that it hasn't been profitable to extract them.
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If you do that, you've got to send your rare earths to China or Kazakhstan, somewhere else
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on the other side of the world to have them refined into the materials that you need for
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your defense establishment and for every cell phone that you manufacture.
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So I hope that if we learn anything from this, we need to build our own refineries, and we
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need to invigorate this rare earth exploration and extraction in our country.
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Probably the country with the most rare earths in the world, but they aren't tapped yet, is
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So hopefully, we will have learned something from this whole business.
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But right now, the Chinese are cutting off Boeing, cutting off purchasing any of our aircraft,
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and everybody says, well, wait a minute now, where else are they going to get great aircraft
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Well, we no longer monopolize the aerospace industry the way we did.
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I think this is something we don't seem to understand anymore, Roger.
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We had a huge monopoly on all sorts of technologies back in 1990, 91, and that gave us an enormous
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That monopoly was eroded and then erased in the early part of this century.
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So we no longer are in the same position we were.
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It's not something that we should try to fight our way out of.
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And we can moderate some of our positions as a consequence.
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President Trump seems steadfast in his desire to acquire Greenland.
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He keeps saying that we need to do so to bolster our national defense and for national security
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How would having Greenland help the United States protect itself?
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I think that President Trump was approached by people, particularly in the Navy, who are
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quite concerned about the Arctic passage that has developed, because you can now cut your travel
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across continental travel down to a couple of days, three or four days, because you can send
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a ship between Greenland and Norway through the Arctic passage on the north side of Canada
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and, poof, they're on the other side of the world where China, Japan, Korea, and so forth
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And I think there has been a fear that we would end up in some sort of conflict in the Arctic
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over who controls what and who has passage and so forth.
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And, of course, the Navy has always been very bellicose and sees this as a justification for
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And I think Greenland fits into that because the assumption is that from Greenland you can
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I think what is required and what the president ought to do is say to all the nations that
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border this Arctic passage, and that includes Russia and Norway, Canada, the United States,
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why don't we come up with an arrangement so that everybody has passage?
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You've got another problem because there's so much in terms of rare earth as well as oil
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and gas products, energy products, lying on the seabed.
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But everyone wants to rush out there and extract all of this, which is not an easy process.
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We need to sit down and sort through this like adults.
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This is not the time to figure out how we fight a war in a place like that, because the
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war will sabotage all the productivity and development that we're seeking.
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So I don't think we need to control Greenland per se.
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You know, Roger, the Danes have been good allies.
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Because they have much to gain from all of this as well, since they too are a maritime
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As you know, I am an acolyte of President Richard Nixon, who was my political mentor.
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I think one of his great accomplishments was driving a wedge between the Russians and the
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Chinese, recognizing they had a long mutual border and centuries of distrust between the
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I think it is how he secured the strategic arms limitation agreement with the Russians.
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I think he is unfairly blamed for the threat that China poses to our country today.
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The time that Richard Nixon brought them in out of the cold, they were a dirt poor, backwards
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agrarian society with very little indoor plumbing, didn't even have electricity in the rural areas.
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There was no way for Nixon to see that 30 years later, Bill Clinton would give them most
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And he would actually sell them in return for illegal campaign contributions, some of our
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Can President Donald Trump be equally successful now, because Biden drove them together, can
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President Trump now be successful in driving them apart?
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The case was very different when Nixon was president.
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He had the good sense and the wisdom to recognize that it existed.
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You remember back in the 50s, everyone saw communism as this monolithic force.
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Well, Stalin used to refer to the red Chinese as red onions.
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He said they're red on the outside, but inside they're really white.
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And his meaning was the Chinese are really at heart capitalists.
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And as far as China representing a threat to us, militarily, I absolutely reject that notion.
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If you look at the Chinese military, I've seen it.
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And the Chinese are preeminently about business.
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They don't start wars, don't want to start a war anywhere.
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And whenever they have had conflicts, they've lost them.
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They've spent most of the last 500 years, roughly 340 of them, under foreign governments
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I think that the Chinese are an economic power.
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And we need to remember that for most of the last 2,000 years, China was the richest country
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in the world, although some of my friends in India argue that India was actually richer.
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Be that as it may, when we were very poor and backward, China was a flourishing civilization
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I don't think that's going to change anytime soon, nor do I think it should.
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But the notion that we are going to drive a wedge between the Russians and the Chinese
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The Russians have all the resources that the Chinese could possibly use.
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And the Russians still have superior military technology in many key categories, which they
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have willingly shared with the Chinese that have helped China immensely in terms of developing
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I think we have to treat them with respect and understand that they have legitimate interests
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and that neither of those states won a war, least of all with us.
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I want to thank our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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You can find him at OurCountryOurChoice.com, also at Republic.
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I want to thank you again for joining us in the segment.
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I guess we'll be right back with just a little bit more of Doug McGregor.
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But up next, keeping the live and alive with Debbie Nigro, sponsored by Native Path Collagen.
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I just got some amazingly good news from my wife.
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Late last week, my wife had what the doctors described as a cardiac event, a completely incompetent
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cardiologist who attended her at the hospital to which she was taken by ambulance basically
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told her that her heart was pumping at 30 percent, that there was no explanation for
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this, and nothing could be done for her, that she should go home and get her affairs in order.
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I'm happy to say now, having gone through multiple tests and seen a highly competent
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cardiologist, I can report that all of that was wrong, and she's not only going to live,
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So I apologize if I have been a little disjointed here, Colonel.
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Tell us about Republic, this incredible online social media platform in which you have been
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Well, listen, Roger, I think everybody in the future needs to get a second opinion, and
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The Republic platform is a free speech platform that I think everyone should look at carefully,
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and it's locally focused, but it covers the spectrum of news and events and people.
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It's a place where you can find out who governs you and look at their decisions, and it's a place
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where you can register your opinion and ultimately affect what happens at your level of life in
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your county, inside your state, where you can contact any of the political leaders who
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are responsible for events in your state, all the way up to and including the national level.
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So I think the Republic is something, R-E, and we say Poland, public, is well worth your time and effort to examine.
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This is very much, I've signed up just because I think it is extraordinary.
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I mean, I really like X and what's being done there by Elon Musk.
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But I think in terms of connecting you to like-minded people and with action in mind, I mean, legal action in mind,
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Yeah, I think the easiest way to do it is to, you can go to re.republic.com.
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You'll find everything that Roger's describing, and I can't emphasize enough the accuracy of his statement,
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which is that this is a place where you can communicate across the country.
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You will find like-minded people, and no one is going to censor you.
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Now, of course, you know, we draw the line at Bulgarity, and we're not going to support, you know,
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statements arguing for the overthrow of our own government.
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But other than that, I think you've got pretty much free reign.
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My great thanks to my good friend, Colonel Douglas McGregor, for joining us today.
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Until we meet again, God bless you, and Godspeed.