The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 16, 2025


The Stone Zone ｜ 04-15-25

Topics
illegal border crossings corruption probe DeSantis campaign Richard Nixon presidency and China strategy
Hosted by
Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
Mentioned
Donald Trump Godspeed Douglas McGregor Joe Biden Richard Nixon Tatiana Kassap Casey DeSantis James Lankford Steve Witkoff Chris Van Hollen Tucker Carlson Tom Homan Stalin Native Path Collagen Bill S.A. Lee Alexander Coburn Teddy Roosevelt Lurleen Wallace George Wallace Envoy Whitcoff and 16 more
George Papadopoulos ｜ 04-14-25 Alex Andrade ｜ 04-16-25

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The Stone Zone is a new show on the Red Apple Podcasts Network, hosted by Republican strategist Roger Stone. In this episode, Stone talks about the Iran nuclear deal, the border wall, and the California Sanctuary State Act.

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00:00:30.000 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:00:43.800 People love him and respect him.
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00:00:48.460 It's the Stone Zone.
00:00:50.500 Here's Roger Stone.
00:00:53.500 You are entering the Stone Zone.
00:00:56.680 Our new program here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
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00:01:10.780 The U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, an appointee of President Donald Trump,
00:01:17.620 has indicated that the United States is looking to limit, rather than dismantle, Tehran's nuclear program.
00:01:24.920 And Witkoff said, the president means what he says, which is, Iran cannot have a bomb.
00:01:31.900 That's what Witkoff told Fox News in a Monday interview, elaborating that the, quote,
00:01:38.220 conversation, close quote, with Iran would be about enrichment and weaponization with the imperative to verify that any agreed commitment is completely and totally verified.
00:01:51.360 You don't need to run, as they claim, a civil nuclear program when enriching past 3.67%.
00:02:00.120 These comments, to me, indicate the United States is looking to limit Iran's uranium enrichment, rather than dismantle its nuclear program altogether,
00:02:10.880 as many analysts believe the United States is therefore closer to a peace deal in the region.
00:02:17.380 We're here to see if we can solve the situation diplomatically and with dialogue.
00:02:23.880 The first meeting was very positive, constructive, and compelling, said Envoy Witkoff.
00:02:30.600 I think this yet again proves that Donald Trump was elected as the peace candidate.
00:02:37.420 There are many forces trying to goad the United States into war with Iran.
00:02:43.200 I myself believe that this would be an enormous mistake.
00:02:47.940 I agree with Tucker Carlson, my friend of 30 years plus, about this.
00:02:53.820 We need peace in the region.
00:02:55.660 There was no chance of peace in the region with Joe Biden as president.
00:03:01.120 Trump is, above all, a peacemaker.
00:03:04.200 In the Oval Office yesterday, President Trump says Iran has to get rid of its concept of nuclear weapons.
00:03:09.880 They cannot have a nuclear bomb.
00:03:13.560 I think he's got that exactly right.
00:03:16.340 In the meantime, President Trump has authorized the military to take over jurisdiction of all federal lands along the border with Mexico as, quote,
00:03:24.720 reasonably necessary as possible to enable border security operations.
00:03:30.560 Now, illegal border crossings into the United States have already dropped by 93%.
00:03:36.880 Remember when Joe Biden told us that there was really nothing he could do without the enactment of new laws?
00:03:45.380 Well, that was nonsense.
00:03:46.540 The so-called Lankford bill they kept talking about by RINO Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma.
00:03:54.980 When you looked closely at the Lankford bill, it actually grandfathered the passage of other two and a half million illegals into the country every year.
00:04:05.200 In fact, most of the money in the bill was for the processing of those illegals into the country.
00:04:12.140 Yeah, they'd be given a future hearing date, but then they would disappear into the United States and never be seen or heard from again.
00:04:20.540 The president has kept his promise to close our southern border, and he is now proceeding to deal directly with the Chinese on the question of the deadly fentanyl, 0.65
00:04:35.140 which has become an epidemic in the United States, but most of which originates in, you guessed it, China.
00:04:42.260 President Trump's executive order creates a new military installation spanning the Roosevelt Reservation along three states,
00:04:52.320 a 60-foot strip of land running through California, Arizona, and New Mexico.
00:04:58.360 This is land that President Teddy Roosevelt specifically set aside in 1907 for purposes of border security.
00:05:06.840 The border will now have military-grade surveillance, military enforcement rules, and restricted access like any U.S. military base.
00:05:17.760 This is the use of our military to seal our borders, something our guest today, Colonel Douglas McGregor, has long recommended and advocated.
00:05:28.920 Illegal crossing the border will be trespassers on military property now and therefore subject to military security protocols.
00:05:38.780 This means no sanctuary, no legal loopholes, and the Department of Defense can now finish the wall as part of this military operation.
00:05:49.320 In related news, President Trump's new California U.S. Attorney Bill S.A. Lee says that he will fight sanctuary state policies and warns of prosecution for anyone who interferes with immigration law,
00:06:05.560 as leftist officials in the state seem to continue to defy Tom Homan and ICE.
00:06:11.940 I can tell you this, I know Tom Homan, I know him well, he's a friend, he is one tough customer, somebody you don't want to fool around with.
00:06:22.440 He's exactly the right choice for this position as President Donald Trump is quite serious about not only sealing our border,
00:06:30.400 but also deporting the illegals and terrorists who managed to get into the country under Joe Biden.
00:06:39.020 We see this fight raging right now about a violent gang member who was correctly deported to El Salvador.
00:06:48.920 Now, some in the media have tried to say that this individual is a U.S. citizen.
00:06:53.440 They keep describing him as a Maryland man.
00:06:56.700 He is not a U.S. citizen.
00:06:58.780 He's a citizen of El Salvador, and he was in the country illegally where he violated the law, and he has been correctly deported. 0.58
00:07:07.760 Now I see that the U.S. senator from Maryland, Chris Van Holen, is going to El Salvador to try to negotiate his return to the United States.
00:07:20.120 That is, by the way, a violation of the Logan Act.
00:07:23.720 You're not allowed to go out and conduct your own foreign policy and your own negotiations.
00:07:30.260 Senator Van Holen should be charged with violation of the Logan Act.
00:07:34.920 But that never seems to happen.
00:07:37.960 Sanctuary states are not workable as an idea.
00:07:41.560 They're not legal, and this administration is going to use every tool at their disposal to end the concept of sanctuary states and cities,
00:07:50.160 particularly those in California, according to the new U.S. attorney there.
00:07:54.300 We would be willing to charge and prosecute state officials if they interfere in our investigations or in our ability to apprehend criminal illegal immigrants when they're acting within the law. 0.84
00:08:07.360 Yes, under Donald Trump, law and order is back.
00:08:11.520 California officials may be criminally liable under 8 U.S. Code 1324, which carries penalties of prison time for facilitating the invasion and harboring of illegal aliens.
00:08:25.000 Incredibly, now a Wisconsin man has been arrested for murdering his mother and stepfather to, quote,
00:08:33.920 obtain the financial means and autonomy necessary to kill President Donald Trump and overthrow the U.S. government.
00:08:40.620 Nikita Kassap, 17, was arrested in March, charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of hiding a corpse after killing his mother,
00:08:51.880 Tatiana Kassap, 35, and his stepfather, Donald Mayer, 51, in their Waukesha home,
00:08:59.360 then stashing their bullet-ridden bodies under blankets for weeks.
00:09:04.040 Documents written by the teen called for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to, quote, 0.85
00:09:11.640 save the white race. 0.86
00:09:13.340 The teen's scrawling show images of Adolf Hitler with the following text,
00:09:18.860 Hail Hitler, hail the white race, hail victory. 0.99
00:09:22.580 In a federal affidavit, investigators said that he was in touch with other parties about his plan to kill the president 0.98
00:09:30.120 and overthrow the government of the United States.
00:09:32.740 And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit this attack.
00:09:43.500 Other parties with whom Mr. Kassap was in contact appear to have been aware of his plans and actions
00:09:49.640 and have provided assistance to Kassap in carrying them out.
00:09:53.120 Now, the police performed a welfare check at his family home on the 28th of February
00:09:59.500 after the teen was absent from the Waukesha West High School for two weeks.
00:10:06.120 There, the police found this teenager's mom buried under a pile of clothes and blankets in the hallway
00:10:11.080 near the kitchen with multiple shots to the neck, upper torso, abdomen, and her right wrist. 0.98
00:10:16.660 Kassap has not entered a plea and remains in custody.
00:10:21.040 He's scheduled to be arraigned on May 7th.
00:10:24.700 Meanwhile, here in the Sunshine State, the corruption probe continues to surge.
00:10:30.360 This is a shocking corruption scandal in which it became clear that Governor and Mrs. Ron DeSantis
00:10:38.860 actually re-diverted over $10 million from Medicaid.
00:10:48.320 This is money that was supposed to be used to pay for health care for the poor, the elderly,
00:10:54.360 and people who are disabled over to a slush fund controlled by the governor's wife,
00:11:01.260 the HOPE Project, for political purposes.
00:11:06.200 The HOPE Project then transferred the $10 million to two different campaign organizations
00:11:11.740 that were working against a controversial constitutional amendment that was on the ballot in the last election
00:11:19.480 that would have legalized marijuana in the Sunshine State. 0.99
00:11:23.320 Today, the $10 million transfer is in violation of both state and federal law.
00:11:35.240 This was part of a $57 million settlement that was supposed to go back to the taxpayers.
00:11:42.120 Instead, $10 million was siphoned off to Casey DeSantis' nonprofit.
00:11:47.140 Days later, as I say, that organization transferred the money to a couple of dark money nonprofits.
00:11:55.400 Now, Republicans in the state legislature, not Democrats, but Republicans,
00:12:00.100 are probing this entire operation where there are multiple violations of both federal and state law.
00:12:08.780 Governor DeSantis has lashed out at the Republicans in the state legislature saying that the whole thing is a smear.
00:12:17.160 It does not look that way to me.
00:12:20.840 It is clear that the nonprofit in question, the HOPE Foundation,
00:12:27.060 has filed none of its necessary financial disclosures with the state.
00:12:32.120 And I believe that there are, contrary to the claims of the state administration,
00:12:42.180 a series of both state and federal crimes here.
00:12:46.380 Now, this comes at a very bad time for Governor DeSantis
00:12:50.600 because he has put forward the idea that his wife, Casey DeSantis, should follow him as governor.
00:12:59.300 You see, Florida has a two-term limitation on the number of terms that a governor can serve.
00:13:07.240 And, well, Governor DeSantis, who was ignominiously defeated,
00:13:11.520 I would say embarrassed in his presidential campaign in 2024, has aspirations to run again.
00:13:21.820 I'm not sure what he found about the last election that was encouraging,
00:13:25.300 but he's made it pretty clear that he intends to run for president again.
00:13:29.500 And he has been promoting her candidacy.
00:13:34.080 I haven't seen anything like this since Lurleen Wallace followed her husband, Governor George Wallace,
00:13:41.520 in Alabama.
00:13:43.220 Why the governor thinks that his wife is qualified to be governor of the state of Florida,
00:13:50.860 well, that's odd, too.
00:13:52.560 President Donald Trump has endorsed Naples area Congressman Byron Donalds for this job.
00:13:58.860 I was with Donalds this past Saturday night.
00:14:02.880 We both spoke at the Collier County Lincoln-Reagan-Trump dinner.
00:14:09.180 And I can tell you he will not only be the first African-American governor of Florida,
00:14:14.820 but he is supremely qualified for this job.
00:14:18.800 When we come back, Colonel Douglas McGregor will join us.
00:14:22.960 He is a gifted military theoretician, a Ph.D., an expert on all matters pertaining to both defense
00:14:30.280 and foreign policy.
00:14:31.460 We've got a lot of questions for Colonel McGregor.
00:14:34.340 He is a legendary figure in our U.S. military for a tank battle that he directed.
00:14:43.100 He'll be right back on the other side.
00:14:45.260 So wherever you do, don't touch that dial.
00:14:47.020 You're in the Stone Zone.
00:14:48.080 We've got a lot more for today.
00:14:49.960 So stand by.
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00:15:28.660 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:15:32.260 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
00:15:36.020 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.
00:15:38.400 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
00:15:42.060 Now they treated him very unfairly.
00:15:44.580 Now, get in the zone. 0.94
00:15:46.180 It's the Stone Zone.
00:15:48.440 Here's Roger Stone.
00:15:50.360 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:15:53.020 Here we talk politics, style, news, history, and occasionally food.
00:16:00.520 We call them like we see them.
00:16:02.520 We criticize Republicans and Democrats.
00:16:05.060 I'm an equal opportunity critic.
00:16:07.620 Today I'm privileged to have as our guest Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:16:11.320 He is a decorated combat veteran and author of five books, a Ph.D., and the defense and
00:16:18.440 foreign policy expert that I respect perhaps more than any other in the country.
00:16:24.080 Doug McGregor was commissioned in the regular army in 1976 after one year at VMI and four
00:16:29.780 years at West Point.
00:16:31.420 In 2004, Colonel McGregor retired with the rank of colonel.
00:16:35.320 In 2020, the president appointed McGregor to serve as senior advisor to the Secretary of
00:16:40.780 Defense, a post he held until President Trump left office.
00:16:45.100 He has a master's degree in comparative politics and a Ph.D.
00:16:49.080 in international relations from the University of Virginia.
00:16:53.720 Now, Colonel McGregor is widely known inside the United States, Europe, Israel, Russia, China,
00:16:59.420 and Korea for both his outside-the-box thinking and his leadership in the Battle of 73 Easting,
00:17:07.180 the U.S. Army's largest tank battle since World War II, as well as for his groundbreaking
00:17:13.600 books on military transformation.
00:17:16.440 I was reading a book by Alexander Coburn, Nobody's Idea of a Conservative, and I came across
00:17:23.320 this passage, describing Colonel Douglas McGregor as a gifted military theoretician who had led
00:17:30.660 an armored squadron and fought a victorious tank battle in 1991 during Desert Storm.
00:17:36.180 McGregor had long brooded on what he considered the outmoded organization of army combat units
00:17:41.760 into 20,000 men divisions and proposed the division's reorganizations into smaller, more flexible
00:17:48.260 units capable of more agile deployment and maneuver.
00:17:52.180 Forthright in his judgments when he's speaking to superiors, unfortunately, McGregor has suffered
00:17:58.420 the traditional fate of innovative military thinking, his radical and new ideas, exciting
00:18:04.340 fear and distrust among those at the highest level of our military.
00:18:09.480 I don't think there could be any greater compliment.
00:18:13.220 I'm going to bring him with us, and then we're going to cut to a break.
00:18:16.100 But Colonel Douglas McGregor, thank you so much for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:18:20.640 Hey, Roger, thanks so much for including me.
00:18:22.960 I appreciate it.
00:18:24.320 We've got a lot to cover here, but the most important one, of course, is war and peace,
00:18:29.800 what's happening in the Middle East, what's happening also between Ukraine and Russia.
00:18:37.300 Folks, you're in the Stone Zone.
00:18:38.500 We're about to talk to our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:18:42.100 So don't go away.
00:18:43.100 We'll be right back.
00:18:44.260 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:18:56.240 All right.
00:18:57.160 We're back in the Stone Zone.
00:18:58.900 Joining us once again, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:19:02.320 This is the distinguished officer that I respect perhaps more than any other in the country
00:19:07.860 when it comes to matters of geopolitical defense and national security,
00:19:12.760 but also one who understands the politics and its limitations.
00:19:17.240 Colonel McGregor, the other night you texted me an interview with Secretary Pete Hegseth,
00:19:24.900 who I like.
00:19:26.060 Take nothing away from him.
00:19:27.040 But he says that we, the United States, are ready to launch powerful strikes deep within Iran
00:19:33.080 if negotiations break down.
00:19:35.460 I tend to agree with my colleague, Tucker Carlson.
00:19:38.860 I think war with Iran would be a horrific mistake. 0.65
00:19:42.560 So what did you mean when you sent me this interview?
00:19:47.320 Well, I think a couple of things.
00:19:49.080 First, you know, and I think you would agree with this,
00:19:52.140 is that Trump's instincts on a whole range of policy issues, not just foreign and defense,
00:19:59.420 but many policy issues are very, very good.
00:20:03.640 And one of my frustrations with President Trump in the past has been his failure to follow his own instincts.
00:20:11.040 And right in his White House, with large numbers of people who are hell-bent to go to war with Iran.
00:20:17.060 And they seem to think that threats and bullying tactics are somehow or another helpful.
00:20:24.140 And I don't think they are.
00:20:26.060 When you're negotiating with someone, frankly, Roger, it pays to say as little as possible.
00:20:32.640 And once the negotiation is completed, you reach some sort of decision, good, bad, or otherwise,
00:20:40.420 then you can talk about it.
00:20:42.140 But I think President Trump wants very much to reach an accommodation with Iran.
00:20:48.660 So I would refrain from saying anything at this point that is belligerent or threatening,
00:20:54.260 because it simply drives away the people that you're trying to bring on board.
00:20:59.380 And that's a difficult thing to do right now, because we're asking the Iranians to accept life in a region 1.00
00:21:06.520 where only Israel has nuclear weapons.
00:21:10.480 And that's a hard pill to swallow for them, and I think for large numbers of other people in the region,
00:21:15.720 because they don't trust the Israelis.
00:21:18.000 Now, whether or not that appeals to us is irrelevant.
00:21:21.260 The point is, under those circumstances,
00:21:24.000 Whitcoff and President Trump have a very difficult challenge.
00:21:26.900 And I hope that what Mr. Whitcoff has said about events turns out to be the case,
00:21:33.580 and he is cautiously optimistic.
00:21:36.900 So whatever we can do to be supportive of a positive outcome of an accommodation,
00:21:43.320 we should support that and encourage, I think, President Trump to listen to his own instincts,
00:21:51.120 because if he does, we'll be successful.
00:21:53.080 For those listening to this interview with Colonel Douglas McGregor,
00:21:58.500 you can follow him at OurCountryYourChoice.com.
00:22:02.840 I strongly urge you to do that.
00:22:05.600 Look, I always thought, and I could be wrong about this,
00:22:08.900 that the sanctions that President Trump put on the Iranians during his first term
00:22:13.500 seemed to me to be terribly successful.
00:22:16.120 I mean, it's an oil-rich country, but they were not even able to sell their oil
00:22:21.200 to their Chinese patrons under those circumstances.
00:22:25.800 Therefore, it occurred to me that when Joe Biden and his administration
00:22:30.080 unfroze over $190 billion of wealth to go to the Iranians, 0.55
00:22:36.400 that it was inevitable that they would not only restart their nuclear weapons development program,
00:22:41.820 but they would also begin to fund Islamic terrorism again,
00:22:46.660 leading to the attacks on October 7th.
00:22:50.400 Could sanctions be effective or successful yet again in the new administration?
00:22:58.660 No.
00:22:59.460 I think the sanctions in the past have been much less effective
00:23:03.080 than people in Washington think.
00:23:05.740 The truth is that we have overused sanctions
00:23:09.760 to the point where everyone has found workarounds.
00:23:13.940 I mean, one of the things that we need to keep in mind,
00:23:15.920 especially about the Chinese and the Iranians,
00:23:18.940 is that the Chinese in particular have built alternatives to reliance
00:23:23.300 on the movement of oil and gas via the Straits of Hormuz by sea to China.
00:23:29.340 In fact, the Belt and Road Initiative is very much a part of creating a system
00:23:36.240 of cross-continental trade and commerce
00:23:39.720 that we with our Navy cannot interrupt or disrupt.
00:23:44.100 And the other thing is that,
00:23:45.320 and this is the problem with our tariffs and so forth,
00:23:47.840 over the last five years, the world has changed.
00:23:50.700 The Chinese have developed new markets.
00:23:54.080 The Chinese have developed new supply chains. 0.99
00:23:56.500 In other words, at some point, your sanctions are counterproductive.
00:24:01.640 I think the president understands that,
00:24:03.500 which is one of the reasons that he's folding pretty quickly
00:24:06.600 on the tariffs that he's imposed.
00:24:08.840 He's now said clearly the automotive industry needs the trade,
00:24:14.640 and he's pulling back on those tariffs.
00:24:17.040 I think we're going to see that with all forms of electronics
00:24:19.460 coming out of China, Japan, Korea.
00:24:22.260 So I think President Trump understands that.
00:24:24.300 I just don't think he's being well-advised on these things.
00:24:27.120 And I don't think that we will get further by threatening and bullying.
00:24:31.240 I think we'll get further with more accommodation and recognition
00:24:34.900 that other countries have legitimate rights and interests.
00:24:39.420 We have had a bad habit, particularly with Biden.
00:24:42.920 I mean, his administration just cast any caution to the winds
00:24:47.240 and treated anyone else's interests with complete disinterest.
00:24:54.560 Colonel McGregor is the CEO of OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:24:59.800 OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:25:01.260 I want to get that straight.
00:25:04.120 Exactly.
00:25:04.920 And look, I appreciate being corrected on the sanctions.
00:25:07.960 This is, I'm a politico.
00:25:09.900 I'm not a military strategist, nor am I a world economist.
00:25:15.300 China seems to be cutting off the experts of rare earth minerals
00:25:18.460 needed in the production of automobiles, aerospace, and defense manufacturing.
00:25:23.800 I mean, what is the best way for America to respond to that?
00:25:27.920 Well, there's not much of a response.
00:25:29.920 I mean, the things that we sell most are things that China can easily replace.
00:25:34.420 Our biggest exports are agricultural products and energy.
00:25:40.960 And the only other thing that we export in great quantity is military equipment and bombs.
00:25:46.200 So someone put it recently in terms of the three Bs, bushels, barrels, and bombs.
00:25:51.940 That's what we export.
00:25:53.680 Well, the Chinese can replace the agricultural and the energy output very, very easily 1.00
00:26:00.160 with all sorts of people all over the world.
00:26:02.080 So I don't think you're going to get very far.
00:26:05.240 On the other hand, we're very dependent on the Chinese for a lot of the microcircuitry, 0.98
00:26:10.580 the electronics.
00:26:11.660 You pointed to the rare earths.
00:26:13.580 And, you know, this is something else that's depressing about us, Roger.
00:26:17.880 We should have built a rare earth refinery in North America a long time ago.
00:26:23.280 And right now, if you find rare earths, and I happen to be in this business at the moment,
00:26:28.220 and you extract them successfully, and we have a lot of rare earths out there, it's just
00:26:33.360 that it hasn't been profitable to extract them.
00:26:36.120 Now it's becoming very profitable.
00:26:38.320 If you do that, you've got to send your rare earths to China or Kazakhstan, somewhere else 1.00
00:26:45.360 on the other side of the world to have them refined into the materials that you need for
00:26:50.820 your defense establishment and for every cell phone that you manufacture.
00:26:54.840 So I hope that if we learn anything from this, we need to build our own refineries, and we
00:27:01.240 need to invigorate this rare earth exploration and extraction in our country.
00:27:06.200 Probably the country with the most rare earths in the world, but they aren't tapped yet, is
00:27:10.800 Canada.
00:27:11.780 They're just north of us.
00:27:13.500 So hopefully, we will have learned something from this whole business.
00:27:17.140 But right now, the Chinese are cutting off Boeing, cutting off purchasing any of our aircraft,
00:27:23.100 and everybody says, well, wait a minute now, where else are they going to get great aircraft
00:27:27.580 like that?
00:27:28.540 Well, we no longer monopolize the aerospace industry the way we did.
00:27:32.760 I think this is something we don't seem to understand anymore, Roger.
00:27:37.240 We had a huge monopoly on all sorts of technologies back in 1990, 91, and that gave us an enormous
00:27:45.280 strategic advantage.
00:27:46.480 That monopoly was eroded and then erased in the early part of this century.
00:27:51.580 So we no longer are in the same position we were.
00:27:54.960 That's not the end of the world.
00:27:56.440 It's not something that we should try to fight our way out of.
00:27:59.080 It's simply something we ought to recognize.
00:28:01.620 And we can moderate some of our positions as a consequence.
00:28:04.720 President Trump seems steadfast in his desire to acquire Greenland.
00:28:11.340 He keeps saying that we need to do so to bolster our national defense and for national security
00:28:16.740 purposes.
00:28:17.940 How would having Greenland help the United States protect itself?
00:28:24.620 I think that President Trump was approached by people, particularly in the Navy, who are
00:28:31.380 quite concerned about the Arctic passage that has developed, because you can now cut your travel
00:28:37.540 across continental travel down to a couple of days, three or four days, because you can send
00:28:44.700 a ship between Greenland and Norway through the Arctic passage on the north side of Canada
00:28:53.340 and, poof, they're on the other side of the world where China, Japan, Korea, and so forth
00:28:59.180 are located.
00:28:59.740 And I think there has been a fear that we would end up in some sort of conflict in the Arctic
00:29:07.280 over who controls what and who has passage and so forth.
00:29:12.060 And, of course, the Navy has always been very bellicose and sees this as a justification for
00:29:18.380 a larger surface fleet and warlike action.
00:29:22.020 And I think Greenland fits into that because the assumption is that from Greenland you can
00:29:27.300 control access to this passage.
00:29:30.540 I don't think we need to militarize this.
00:29:33.680 I think what is required and what the president ought to do is say to all the nations that
00:29:40.200 border this Arctic passage, and that includes Russia and Norway, Canada, the United States,
00:29:45.640 why don't we come up with an arrangement so that everybody has passage?
00:29:52.780 We know where you can go and where you can't.
00:29:55.760 And I think this would work.
00:29:57.160 You've got another problem because there's so much in terms of rare earth as well as oil
00:30:03.060 and gas products, energy products, lying on the seabed.
00:30:06.960 But everyone wants to rush out there and extract all of this, which is not an easy process.
00:30:11.960 This is very cold water, tough environment.
00:30:14.440 You can't do that every night.
00:30:16.080 We need to sit down and sort through this like adults.
00:30:20.140 This is not the time to figure out how we fight a war in a place like that, because the
00:30:25.520 war will sabotage all the productivity and development that we're seeking.
00:30:29.660 So I don't think we need to control Greenland per se.
00:30:32.960 You know, Roger, the Danes have been good allies.
00:30:36.100 We've done along brilliantly with the Danes.
00:30:38.400 We already have a base in Greenland.
00:30:41.920 Why not just talk to the Danes?
00:30:43.900 Because they have much to gain from all of this as well, since they too are a maritime
00:30:48.320 power like the Norwegians and the British.
00:30:52.700 As you know, I am an acolyte of President Richard Nixon, who was my political mentor.
00:30:59.500 I think one of his great accomplishments was driving a wedge between the Russians and the 1.00
00:31:04.840 Chinese, recognizing they had a long mutual border and centuries of distrust between the
00:31:12.200 two countries.
00:31:13.300 I think it is how he secured the strategic arms limitation agreement with the Russians.
00:31:18.560 I think he is unfairly blamed for the threat that China poses to our country today. 0.74
00:31:25.440 The time that Richard Nixon brought them in out of the cold, they were a dirt poor, backwards 1.00
00:31:31.000 agrarian society with very little indoor plumbing, didn't even have electricity in the rural areas.
00:31:36.600 There was no way for Nixon to see that 30 years later, Bill Clinton would give them most
00:31:42.180 favored nation trading status.
00:31:44.000 And he would actually sell them in return for illegal campaign contributions, some of our
00:31:48.600 top military secrets in the morale scandal.
00:31:51.540 Can President Donald Trump be equally successful now, because Biden drove them together, can
00:31:58.140 President Trump now be successful in driving them apart?
00:32:02.820 No.
00:32:04.640 The case was very different when Nixon was president.
00:32:08.660 First of all, the wedge already existed.
00:32:11.400 He had the good sense and the wisdom to recognize that it existed.
00:32:15.700 You remember back in the 50s, everyone saw communism as this monolithic force.
00:32:20.260 Well, Stalin used to refer to the red Chinese as red onions.
00:32:26.000 He said they're red on the outside, but inside they're really white.
00:32:29.520 And his meaning was the Chinese are really at heart capitalists.
00:32:33.460 Well, Stalin was right. 0.98
00:32:35.620 And I think Richard Nixon understood that.
00:32:38.440 And as far as China representing a threat to us, militarily, I absolutely reject that notion.
00:32:45.020 If you look at the Chinese military, I've seen it.
00:32:48.980 It's not postured for offensive warfare.
00:32:51.500 Everything is purely defensive.
00:32:53.460 And the Chinese are preeminently about business. 1.00
00:32:56.160 They don't start wars, don't want to start a war anywhere.
00:32:59.820 And whenever they have had conflicts, they've lost them.
00:33:04.680 They've spent most of the last 500 years, roughly 340 of them, under foreign governments
00:33:10.560 and foreign occupations.
00:33:12.780 I think that the Chinese are an economic power.
00:33:15.740 And we need to remember that for most of the last 2,000 years, China was the richest country
00:33:22.340 in the world, although some of my friends in India argue that India was actually richer.
00:33:27.240 Be that as it may, when we were very poor and backward, China was a flourishing civilization
00:33:32.960 and extremely wealthy.
00:33:35.000 I don't think that's going to change anytime soon, nor do I think it should.
00:33:38.260 But I think we need to change our approach.
00:33:41.580 But the notion that we are going to drive a wedge between the Russians and the Chinese
00:33:45.260 is ludicrous.
00:33:46.820 This is a marriage made in heaven. 0.97
00:33:49.080 The Russians have all the resources that the Chinese could possibly use. 1.00
00:33:53.080 And the Russians still have superior military technology in many key categories, which they
00:33:58.060 have willingly shared with the Chinese that have helped China immensely in terms of developing
00:34:03.360 its defensive force posture.
00:34:05.380 I think we have to treat them with respect and understand that they have legitimate interests
00:34:13.360 and that neither of those states won a war, least of all with us.
00:34:18.620 All right.
00:34:19.380 We're going to have to leave it there.
00:34:21.100 I want to thank our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:34:24.420 You can find him at OurCountryOurChoice.com, also at Republic.
00:34:29.840 I want to thank you again for joining us in the segment.
00:34:34.720 I guess we'll be right back with just a little bit more of Doug McGregor.
00:34:38.160 I was a little premature there.
00:34:39.400 But up next, keeping the live and alive with Debbie Nigro, sponsored by Native Path Collagen. 0.89
00:34:47.180 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:35:00.940 And you're back in The Stone Zone.
00:35:03.860 I just got some amazingly good news from my wife.
00:35:07.260 Late last week, my wife had what the doctors described as a cardiac event, a completely incompetent 0.81
00:35:16.760 cardiologist who attended her at the hospital to which she was taken by ambulance basically
00:35:22.660 told her that her heart was pumping at 30 percent, that there was no explanation for
00:35:27.740 this, and nothing could be done for her, that she should go home and get her affairs in order. 0.87
00:35:33.240 Yes, it was pretty shocking.
00:35:34.420 I'm happy to say now, having gone through multiple tests and seen a highly competent
00:35:39.980 cardiologist, I can report that all of that was wrong, and she's not only going to live,
00:35:46.780 she's going to be fine.
00:35:47.980 So I apologize if I have been a little disjointed here, Colonel.
00:35:51.820 Tell us about Republic, this incredible online social media platform in which you have been
00:35:59.040 active.
00:35:59.460 Well, listen, Roger, I think everybody in the future needs to get a second opinion, and
00:36:04.680 that's really what you've demonstrated.
00:36:06.260 I'm very happy to hear that.
00:36:07.700 That's your wife. 1.00
00:36:09.320 The Republic platform is a free speech platform that I think everyone should look at carefully,
00:36:16.020 and it's locally focused, but it covers the spectrum of news and events and people.
00:36:21.960 It's a place where you can find out who governs you and look at their decisions, and it's a place
00:36:26.980 where you can register your opinion and ultimately affect what happens at your level of life in
00:36:33.520 your county, inside your state, where you can contact any of the political leaders who
00:36:38.780 are responsible for events in your state, all the way up to and including the national level.
00:36:43.620 So I think the Republic is something, R-E, and we say Poland, public, is well worth your time and effort to examine. 0.86
00:36:54.720 This is very much, I've signed up just because I think it is extraordinary.
00:37:00.080 I like the social media programs I'm in.
00:37:02.680 I mean, I really like X and what's being done there by Elon Musk.
00:37:05.840 But I think in terms of connecting you to like-minded people and with action in mind, I mean, legal action in mind,
00:37:15.100 I really like the site.
00:37:17.120 Tell people again how they can go there.
00:37:20.480 Yeah, I think the easiest way to do it is to, you can go to re.republic.com.
00:37:29.800 You'll find everything that Roger's describing, and I can't emphasize enough the accuracy of his statement,
00:37:36.680 which is that this is a place where you can communicate across the country.
00:37:41.600 You will find like-minded people, and no one is going to censor you.
00:37:45.260 We've made that very clear.
00:37:47.180 Now, of course, you know, we draw the line at Bulgarity, and we're not going to support, you know, 1.00
00:37:53.020 statements arguing for the overthrow of our own government.
00:37:55.520 But other than that, I think you've got pretty much free reign.
00:38:01.420 Nancy Pelosi can go on just like anybody else. 0.93
00:38:03.940 Let's put it that way.
00:38:05.680 All right.
00:38:06.320 Thank you very much.
00:38:07.080 We're going to wrap it there.
00:38:08.160 My great thanks to my good friend, Colonel Douglas McGregor, for joining us today.
00:38:13.020 And I thank all of you who have been tuned in.
00:38:16.220 Until we meet again, God bless you, and Godspeed.
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