The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 04-22-26

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00:00:30.980 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:38.080 Breaking news.

00:00:40.400 And I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone again.

00:00:43.100 And you were tuning in last night.

00:00:44.860 I was reading off the results minute by minute as they were coming in from that Virginia redistricting referendum.

00:00:51.040 Eventually, by the end of the program, we got the AP call that by a very narrow margin,

00:00:56.280 The people in favor, voted in favor of that redistricting, won that referendum.

00:01:01.100 Well, the breaking news now is that this evening, a Virginia circuit court, so this is a Virginia state court, has slapped an injunction on the whole process because there is a credible argument against the referendum.

00:01:15.800 Not the result, but the way that the referendum was rushed before the voters.

00:01:20.100 This is basically, this is a real deal.

00:01:21.880 They will not be able to go ahead with redistricting and doing this until the courts have gone through this.

00:01:27.940 This will go to the state Supreme Court of Virginia soon enough.

00:01:31.900 It's possible that it will be upheld in the end. We'll see.

00:01:35.760 But one would hope that the justices on the Supreme Court of the state of Virginia would see what this is, how unjust this is, how crazy this is.

00:01:46.000 And we'll stop this because, look, you know, there's nothing wrong with winning and losing an election.

00:01:51.580 And there's always going to be some kind of a stack deck, a news event, some campaign that is able to capture the public's attention, sometimes unjustly so.

00:02:00.800 Things like that are all part of the game.

00:02:03.080 But the stacking of the deck like this with these crazy redistricting is just annoying.

00:02:08.500 And by the way, for those of you who have been talking about, well, how can we fix this?

00:02:12.940 I've heard some talk radio hosts today talk about maybe letting AI choose the districts so that it's completely unbiased, but AI is programmed by biased humans, and there's already been a lot of examples of AI bias because that's who's programming it in there, so I don't know if that'll work.

00:02:30.780 But I do have a solution to this, especially if we hold these people to already what their professional level is, their professional standards are.

00:02:40.400 It's very obvious to me who should be in charge of deciding what congressional districts are, where they begin, where they end, etc., etc.

00:02:47.400 Because there's one group of people in this country who really know neighborhoods better than anybody else.

00:02:53.660 They know where a real neighborhood begins.

00:02:56.240 Like I said, they know where they end.

00:02:57.900 They know the kind of people who are living in there.

00:02:59.720 they kind of know all the income. Realtors. Realtors know what neighborhoods are where

00:03:06.780 and all that stuff. And it's really a big part of their business.

00:03:12.380 And they would be a great group to go to in every state and decide where congressional districts are.

00:03:17.080 I'm really not kidding. They're very good at this. Now, I'm not talking about every realtor

00:03:21.020 who just got into the business and is in and out. I'm talking about the top realtors in every state.

00:03:26.100 And we know who they are because they're constantly telling us and there's statistics to prove it.

00:03:29.720 So absolutely. Absolutely. I would love for that to be the case.

00:03:33.340 So that's the breaking news that Virginia things put on hold.

00:03:36.800 It may end up going through and it would be incredible.

00:03:39.920 It would put Virginia from six to five Democrat to Republican districts to 10 to one Democrat to Republican, which is just outrageous.

00:03:47.000 It's just getting so crazy now. And both parties are doing it. I get it.

00:03:51.920 It is just so abusive to the election progress process.

00:03:56.200 And that's the last thing we need in America is fewer people trusting election integrity.

00:04:01.980 And right now, I got a side with the people who are just doubting the integrity of our elections.

00:04:08.220 I mean, how can you not?

00:04:10.820 You've got this mail-in ballot nonsense, which not only is susceptible to fraud, but mail-in ballots are not secret ballots.

00:04:18.940 This is an objective truth.

00:04:20.580 I don't know who's looking over you when you're filling out the ballot.

00:04:22.960 How do I know that an abusive husband isn't threatening to beat his wife when she fills out the mail-in ballot?

00:04:29.180 How do I know it's not the other way around?

00:04:31.640 How do I know how it's being handled properly when you drop it in your mailbox?

00:04:37.140 How do I know that the person whose name is on that ballot actually fills?

00:04:40.040 We don't.

00:04:41.020 This is not a secret ballot.

00:04:43.680 And I learned in fifth grade, I hope you did, that if you don't have a secret ballot, it's not a legitimate election.

00:04:48.800 And the examples they used to use to explain this to us in elementary school were the elections that used to take place in the Deep South after Reconstruction.

00:04:58.340 You know, they used to have a ballot box for the people who were voting for the Democrat and the ballot box if you were voting for the Republican.

00:05:04.160 And people would often vote at work.

00:05:06.740 And your boss would overlook it to see where you dropped that ballot.

00:05:09.740 And if you dropped it in the wrong box, you got fired or you got your head beat in.

00:05:13.740 And that was all I needed to hear about why we need to have secret ballots and why elections that don't have 100% secret ballots are not legitimate.

00:05:22.240 And before you get on me about absentee ballots for our servicemen and women overseas, I got the solution for that, too.

00:05:28.400 It's called a secure laptop in a private room where our servicemen and women in forward areas can vote.

00:05:35.920 And for those who are actually fighting in a battle in a war right now, casting their ballot is not on the top of their priority.

00:05:40.880 Living is their top priority.

00:05:42.220 OK, we're not going to worry about that right now. So, again, election integrity right now is just at a low ebb in this country.

00:05:51.240 And I agree with it. I agree with that sentiment. I'm sorry. I really have very little faith in our elections right now.

00:05:57.480 And this redistricting thing is just another blow to this. And it's really dangerous to do this.

00:06:05.400 This is really playing with fire.

00:06:08.860 And all I can say is the last thing we need is millions more Americans not really trusting the whole process,

00:06:15.260 because eventually we're going to start seeing a massive drop in people showing up for elections.

00:06:20.000 And then we're really in trouble.

00:06:21.240 So that is your breaking news right now.

00:06:25.360 But, you know, to me, the top story in the country, not just because it's very explosive in its details,

00:06:32.080 But also because it's another major commentary on where our culture is and where our ethos is now as a society and how mixed up we've become.

00:06:41.880 And that is this SPLC story.

00:06:43.480 To me, this is absolutely sad beyond words that we have solid evidence now that the Southern Poverty Law Center, which many decades ago played a great role in breaking up the modern KKK, has for a long time become an incredibly dangerous left-wing activist group.

00:07:05.040 And that was bad enough, but now we have evidence in the form of wire transfers, in the form of other financial receipts, that the SPLC was funding these far-right groups, including the people who organized the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, including KKK groups, including neo-Nazi groups, simply so they could claim that there was a rise in this kind of white supremacist nonsense in America, so they could be the heroes to supposedly fight it.

00:07:34.780 It is such a sickening situation. And before you fall for the mainstream media or the Democrat Party narrative on this, that this is all just trumped up by the DOJ and the Trump administration, etc., etc., I want you to remember what Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche had to say about this yesterday. Listen to this.

00:07:53.240 I just want to make sure I understand you're alleging that the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying the leaders of KKK and other groups to continue their operations.

00:08:06.580 Is that I'm not alleging it. The grand jury returned an indictment that says that.

00:08:10.060 And so what the investigation found, according to the indictment that was returned today, is that they were paying, so Southern Poverty Law Center is raising money, asking folks to give them money to dismantle racism.

00:08:23.400 And over a very long period of time, they were using some of the money they raised from donors to pay to they call them field, you know, basically to informants to for information, for access, to just pay them for for certain to do certain things.

00:08:42.300 And so, yes, that's exactly what the indictment charges.

00:08:45.380 Yeah. And it wasn't just for information and to infiltrate.

00:08:47.460 That's what the SPLC is probably going to argue at some point once they get through the whole procedure.

00:08:52.300 First, they'll fight this on procedural grounds and say they had no right to investigate us.

00:08:55.940 That'll go on for a while.

00:08:56.960 But then they'll eventually have to defend themselves and they'll say, no, we were just paying off informants.

00:09:00.920 But the financial evidence proves otherwise.

00:09:03.720 They were paying people to help organize and commit hate acts.

00:09:10.760 Now, beyond the obvious outrage on the surface of this about this, and this really makes me just incredibly sad.

00:09:16.680 I know that there's a lot of my fellow conservatives who are happy about this because it exposes the SPLC.

00:09:21.520 And I get it. I am glad that the evidence is there. Don't get me wrong. But there's nothing good about this story. This says so many things that are bad about where our country has gone. And it's also told us something else, which is one of the biggest threats to this country, which is we've gone from a country where people aspire to be heroes to a country where people aspire to be victims.

00:09:47.180 We've made victimhood now better than being a hero

00:09:52.520 So if the SPLC can create more victims

00:09:56.520 Make themselves victims as well

00:09:58.660 That's more desirable in the minds of millions of Americans

00:10:02.420 Than to actually be the hero

00:10:04.520 Victims get this top of the totem pole type status

00:10:11.200 For millions of Americans

00:10:12.640 And it's really dangerous

00:10:14.440 I mean, this leads to almost a suicidal type of ethos in this country.

00:10:20.120 I would rather have a million people pretending to be a hero than a million people trying to make themselves victims any day of the week, because I embrace life.

00:10:28.060 And I embrace all those positive things, even if we're stretching a little to call ourselves a hero, fine.

00:10:35.000 But to me, that's the core, the most scary thing about all of this.

00:10:38.960 not the incredible lengths that this group was willing to go to smear Trump supporters

00:10:43.540 and smear millions of Americans no matter how they voted.

00:10:47.580 That's ugly enough, and it is very ugly.

00:10:50.160 And I do believe that people who fake hate crimes should get a minimum of 10 years in prison for doing that.

00:10:57.640 And I do believe that people who organize hate crimes

00:11:00.580 and then pretend that they're the victims of them should get life imprisonment.

00:11:05.980 I really do.

00:11:06.860 So I'm not going away from that type of a thought, but to me the saddest part of this is we have a nation now that believes that victimhood and proving that you're a victim is more important than proving that you're a hero or just a good person.

00:11:22.040 That's scary because there's no good ending to that.

00:11:24.660 What if everyone's successful at that?

00:11:25.980 We're all victims?

00:11:27.120 We all end up dead?

00:11:28.380 We all end up wounded forever?

00:11:31.400 That's not a really great growth industry as far as living and surviving.

00:11:36.060 It's really, really depressing.

00:11:38.720 All right, when we come back, I'll get some of the updates for you on the Iran war and a little bit more.

00:11:44.300 I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone.

00:11:45.580 And Roger Stone is going to be calling in again at the bottom of the hour.

00:11:47.860 So don't forget to miss that.

00:11:49.300 Do not miss that.

00:11:50.220 I should say, don't forget to not miss that.

00:11:52.200 I'll be right back.

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00:12:16.860 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:12:20.660 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:12:24.560 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:12:25.800 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:12:28.860 Now, get him a zone.

00:12:30.680 It's the Stone Zone.

00:12:32.200 Here's Roger Stone

00:12:34.520 And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone

00:12:37.320 But we're expecting Roger to call in about 10 minutes from now

00:12:40.060 So of course stay tuned for that

00:12:42.520 I want to get you updated a little bit on what's going on with the Iran situation

00:12:46.660 And as usual because I trust the people with skin in the game

00:12:51.140 Not that they're getting it right or wrong

00:12:53.100 But just that they're the ones who are telling me what they think

00:12:56.740 And they really aren't hiding their cards

00:12:58.420 And that's why I look at Wall Street's numbers very often

00:13:01.300 when it comes to things like this.

00:13:02.540 Because again, they have the money on the table right now.

00:13:05.500 Not saying they're better.

00:13:07.480 I'm not saying they're always smarter.

00:13:09.100 Sometimes they are.

00:13:10.220 But the fact is, they've got their money on the table.

00:13:13.100 And it's been so obvious to me for the last several days,

00:13:15.840 bless their hearts,

00:13:17.240 that they've basically been saying with their money,

00:13:19.820 they have no idea what's happening next in Iran.

00:13:21.860 They've kind of thrown in the towel.

00:13:23.400 And that's because they're up one day,

00:13:24.840 they're down the next.

00:13:25.500 Now, for the last three weeks, we've had strong gains,

00:13:27.860 which tells me that while the investors don't know exactly how it's going to end,

00:13:33.240 they've accepted now after seven or eight weeks of the war

00:13:36.240 that the worst predictions are not going to happen,

00:13:39.380 are not going to come to pass.

00:13:41.200 We're not seeing, thank God, a lot of people dying.

00:13:44.400 Actually, really anybody dying.

00:13:45.840 We're seeing a good number of these IRGC fighters dying and military folks,

00:13:51.180 but there's been no significant civilian death in Iran at all of any kind.

00:13:55.620 We haven't really heard any reports or numbers,

00:13:57.000 And you know they would gin them up if they had something to go with, but they don't.

00:14:01.340 And thank God we're still at that number 13, that unlucky number 13 of American servicemen and women who have been killed in this war so far.

00:14:09.660 Again, even one life is too many.

00:14:11.500 I really hate that even one person died.

00:14:14.020 But, I mean, eight weeks of this kind of massive war, and I know we've had a ceasefire for two weeks, but still, and only 13 have died?

00:14:19.360 it's it's it's quite extraordinary and has a lot to do with the morality of our armed forces right

00:14:26.940 now and the israeli armed forces and it also has to do with technological improvements but wall

00:14:32.720 street doesn't know exactly how it's going to end they're just betting they've just decided to put

00:14:36.840 their money down recently that it's just not going to be the worst thing so today we had a big rally

00:14:42.040 on the on the markets i mean not a big rally percentage points wise but we had more than a

00:14:45.220 300 point gain on the Dow. But as I look at futures for tomorrow, they're down about 250.

00:14:51.840 So they're just they're going back and forth, folks. And that's understandable because there's

00:14:55.760 a lot of confusion right now. And confusion among your enemies is a good thing. Read Sun Tzu,

00:15:01.040 The Art of War. I urge you all to do that. Because it's clear that Iran is confused. It's

00:15:07.680 confused about who really is in charge. There's all kinds of questions about that. And we can't

00:15:12.140 even really have peace talks with them right now because who would actually show up and whether

00:15:15.840 they would really represent the Iranian people and government is hard to discern at this moment.

00:15:21.900 And that's okay. We want our enemies to be confused. We don't want them pressing a nuclear 0.79

00:15:27.280 button, but they don't have one, thank goodness. And that's, of course, because of the efforts of

00:15:31.280 the United States and Israel over many years, not just since last June. And that's great.

00:15:37.440 but it does mean that we don't exactly know what's going to happen next it does mean that

00:15:43.600 we're going to get all kinds of crazy reports here and there but it also means that most of

00:15:48.480 the mainstream media which continues to talk about this war like it's been a terrible failure

00:15:52.280 are continuing to really just embarrass themselves 13 dead no significant civilian deaths

00:15:59.820 a completely confused iranian regime and this is a nation that's been preparing for war and only

00:16:06.240 war and conducting wars for 47 years and and this is what they have to show for it this is not a

00:16:11.100 this is not a failure folks it just isn't oh gas prices have gone up well actually they started to

00:16:16.020 come down this morning according to triple a we were at four dollars and two cents national average

00:16:22.760 for a gallon of gas not a great number but well below the five dollars well over five bucks we

00:16:29.820 were at in 2022 at one point and 14 cents down from the high just a couple of weeks ago we are

00:16:36.320 trending lower on gasoline prices will get back below four nationally i don't know probably and

00:16:42.880 i think it'll go down real fast once the war is significant you know clearly over but folks this

00:16:48.840 is not this is not anything to be sad about now you want to be worried about outcomes that's fine

00:16:53.920 but to believe that we're losing to believe this is a terrible thing to believe oh the

00:16:58.740 iranians are confused they've changed their so good let them be confused that's the point

00:17:03.860 you want them to be coherent and sly and calculating i don't that doesn't make any 0.91

00:17:10.720 sense it's not what we're looking for here this is uh all on top of the fact that it looks like

00:17:17.700 and i hope this is true according to president trump that these women who were scheduled to be

00:17:23.120 executed any day now in Iran simply for protesting or asserting their rights will not be executed

00:17:29.340 now.

00:17:29.640 Now, I don't know. 1.00

00:17:30.120 If I were these women, I would try to get out of the country anyway, even if they'd 1.00

00:17:32.600 been released. 1.00

00:17:34.200 But hey, that's a positive development.

00:17:36.700 I certainly hope that that's true when we move forward on that one.

00:17:40.180 I mean, honestly, folks, can't we just look at the real numbers here and realize that

00:17:45.480 the score is 126 to 1 in the U.S.'s favor? 0.81

00:17:49.040 Let's hope it stays that way.

00:17:50.700 Roger Stone will join us next on The Stone Zone.

00:17:52.660 And I'm Jake Novak.

00:17:53.460 Thanks for joining us.

00:18:04.760 This is the Stone Zone.

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00:18:20.560 roger stone where's roger stone here's roger stone and it truly is about to become the stone

00:18:27.460 zone again i'm jake novak filling in for roger stone but roger is calling in again for our second

00:18:32.760 half hour here and uh roger i have to ask you you know i i really believe that this

00:18:37.320 spLC indictment thing is the biggest story for a lot of reasons also i'm giving people the update

00:18:42.880 on the redistricting of virginia and the iran war are those your top three as well tonight

00:18:48.460 That plus, of course, the historic announcement that President Donald Trump will reschedule marijuana, cannabis, which has enormous implications for those who use cannabis for medicinal purposes, and I think has an enormous appeal to younger voters, libertarian voters, and so on.

00:19:09.380 This is a it's been a long time coming. I've been a longtime advocate for actually for de-scheduling.

00:19:15.920 I'm a firm believer that cannabis is not nearly as dangerous as alcohol.

00:19:20.940 That's for sure. That's always the, you know, the comeback when people talk about the dangers of marijuana.

00:19:27.440 But, you know, obviously, a lot of states have already moved in this direction.

00:19:30.600 Can you explain to our viewers why the federal scheduling of this rescheduling of it is so important?

00:19:35.460 certainly i mean at this point almost 40 states have legalized cannabis most of them for medicinal

00:19:43.000 purposes with substantial restrictions uh some for recreational purposes but right now under the

00:19:51.600 federal schedule marijuana is uh is on the same level as heroin for example which makes very

00:19:59.180 little sense. It's important to recognize that when Richard Nixon launched the war on drugs,

00:20:06.020 he was focused on drug kingpins, drug traffickers, major, major narco operators. It was Bill Clinton

00:20:15.200 who signed the 1994 crime bill. That was written by Senate Judiciary Chairman Joe Biden that

00:20:23.140 decided to target the individual users of of of illegal drugs and actually put in place the

00:20:33.200 mandatory sentences for first time nonviolent crime of possessions of, for example, a small

00:20:39.620 amount of marijuana. So let's say you have a a single mother of three working, you know, two

00:20:46.860 jobs to make ends meet. She's caught with a small amount of marijuana in her purse. A 15 year 1.00

00:20:52.580 sentence to me seems unreasonable. A judge should be able to see whether she has any priors, see

00:20:58.600 what her domestic situation is, and come up with an appropriate sentence if it's legal at all. 0.96

00:21:05.060 Now, federally, today, possession or moving marijuana across the state line is still a 1.00

00:21:11.820 federal crime. And it's really time to bring the federal law in line with state laws. So,

00:21:18.380 for example, in Florida, medicinal marijuana is legal. Now, you have to go get a state-approved

00:21:25.560 card to be able to buy it. You have to submit some health information, and it's limited to

00:21:33.180 the treatment of very specific diseases or maladies. I frankly think that list should be

00:21:38.840 broadened. So, for example, if you have a lower back pain, you would not be entitled to get

00:21:45.060 medicinal marijuana. Who's most opposed to the legalization or the deregulization?

00:21:51.900 Well, it's big pharma. You see, they want to get you hooked on Oxycontin or other opioids,

00:21:56.880 which are far more dangerous than either alcohol or cannabis.

00:22:01.800 You know, I'm glad you mentioned President Nixon. Of course, you are one of the foremost

00:22:04.500 experts on his presidency. I urge people, in addition to following some of the things that

00:22:09.380 Roger's written about President Nixon and the war on drugs, also read The Fix by Michael Massing,

00:22:13.940 because that was a book that came out a few years after that Clinton-Joe Biden shift on drug

00:22:19.800 enforcement. And a huge amount of that book was dedicated to explaining how the Nixon anti-drug

00:22:25.100 policy, in addition to the big kingpin stuff that you talked about, but the methadone clinics that

00:22:29.720 were around the country that were so denigrated, they actually worked, Roger. They worked. And it

00:22:34.220 was born out of Richard Nixon's concern for returning Vietnam veterans coming home from the

00:22:39.280 war who had gotten hooked on heroin. It was all in the right place. And they did make a good 1.00

00:22:43.640 difference, didn't they? They really did. That's a terrific book. I have read it. Look, Richard

00:22:48.740 Nixon was an amazingly progressive president. He doesn't really get credit for many of his

00:22:53.460 key accomplishments. It was Richard Nixon, of course, who ended the war in Vietnam,

00:22:58.320 far ahead of the schedule that was preferred by the Pentagon. Richard Nixon, who reached a

00:23:03.820 strategic arms limitation agreement with the Russians, which everybody predicted he could

00:23:08.320 not do. Richard Nixon, who opened the door to China at a time that China was a dirt poor,

00:23:14.580 backwards agrarian society. Most people didn't have indoor plumbing, didn't have toilets. 1.00

00:23:20.100 Most areas of the country didn't have electricity, certainly the rural areas. It wasn't until

00:23:25.100 Bill Clinton gave the Chinese most favored nation trading status. And of course, the Bushes, 0.78

00:23:32.280 George W. Bush, expanded that. That's what made China the superpower and the dangerous 0.98

00:23:37.900 enemy that they are today. It was Richard Nixon who desegregated the public schools. When Nixon 0.78

00:23:43.660 became president, only 22% of public schools across the country had been desegregated. By

00:23:49.860 the time he left office, that number was 87%. That's without any violence or bloodshed, but

00:23:55.860 very aggressive legal actions by John Mitchell's Department of Justice. It was also Richard Nixon

00:24:03.840 who launched the the war on drugs but as i point out the war on drugs was more focused

00:24:09.740 on traffickers and kingpins what was richard nixon who of course gave us the environmental

00:24:15.980 protection agency now if he were to see how we're over regulating environmentally today

00:24:22.440 i think nixon would be rolling in his grave but we have to recognize that there are individuals

00:24:27.320 who will despoil the air and the water in order to make money so like theodore roosevelt nixon

00:24:33.660 was a conservationist and he gave us the epa for example i've always marveled at those who go on

00:24:41.900 and on about the southern strategy you have to recognize in 1968 richard nixon had hubert

00:24:48.460 humphrey running to his left and george wallace running to his right he had a perfect uh civil

00:24:54.920 rights record nixon is the as the vice president rounded up the final votes necessary for the

00:25:01.620 passage of the 1958 Civil Rights Act, which is the first and only major piece of civil rights

00:25:07.640 legislation to pass since the Civil War. In the background thwarting that was arch-segregationist

00:25:13.680 Lyndon Baines Johnson, who wrote the Southern Manifesto, signed by every Southern senator

00:25:19.600 except for Johnson, who was planning a 1960 presidential run. And they needed Republican

00:25:26.540 votes in order to pass it. Nixon was lauded by Dr. Martin Luther King for being the engineer

00:25:33.200 of the passage of that law. Nixon, of course, also gave us affirmative action. Now,

00:25:37.940 many of my conservative friends don't like affirmative action, but it is definitively

00:25:42.320 a civil rights program. Nixon, who quadrupled the funding for black colleges, for example.

00:25:49.080 So I don't really understand those who criticize Nixon's Southern strategy. Nixon appointed more

00:25:56.460 african-americans to federal office than lyndon johnson and john f kennedy combined well i

00:26:02.600 understand it they're ignoramuses i mean that's usually the easiest answer but you know in in

00:26:07.220 that litany of bullet points that you just rattled off uh so well for us roger boy this sounds

00:26:13.160 familiar uh so many of president trump's policies have been really what we would always consider to

00:26:20.240 be moderate to to really even a little bit to the left he is and which is why maybe these no kings

00:26:25.920 rallies every time people try to interview people there they can't think of any issue because trump's

00:26:30.660 kind of stolen the issues uh you know i know there's another book about richard nixon that

00:26:35.260 goes into that doug schoen's book the whole book is about how nixon stole some of the some of these

00:26:40.420 issues because they were the right thing to do from the left and so in 72 you know there was

00:26:45.180 really no strong argument against him other than personality and he you know he wanted a crazy

00:26:49.340 landslide yeah it really it is quite extraordinary just yesterday i was in the oval office with the

00:26:55.680 president for several hours and at my very last you know the president says what's your agenda

00:27:01.140 we went through a number of items and while we were there secretary of state marco rubio joined

00:27:05.960 us and i said mr president i have one more request he said what's that i said before the

00:27:10.360 end of your term that oil portrait right there franklin roosevelt that needs to come down

00:27:15.120 and dick nixon needs to go back in place and uh the president said that's a great idea have you

00:27:21.880 seen where nixon's portrait is they've got it here kind of on a back staircase uh then he shouted

00:27:26.920 to one of his age i want nixon moved to a better place outside the oval office and he said to his

00:27:32.140 very able assistant natalie find out what the inventory is from the national archives of oil

00:27:38.600 portraits of richard nixon so sounds to me like nixon may be returning to the oval office here

00:27:43.760 shortly now that would be an interesting of course the the left will go crazy about that and turn it

00:27:48.040 into that was the best thing trump said you know the lefties will go crazy um but you know there's

00:27:54.000 there are so many things like this um we really have we talked about this last night the reinvention

00:27:59.360 of the republican party to more of a progressive party i wouldn't say progressive a populist party

00:28:04.880 just more of a common sense party this was the problem if you might remember there was a book

00:28:08.520 years ago written i forgot who wrote it called what's the matter with kansas and this was this

00:28:12.440 democrat liberal argument that boy these people who live in kansas they should be democrats why

00:28:17.980 aren't they democrats because you know we our party is the party of the little guy and kansas

00:28:22.640 has this that and the other thing and now uh we may we maybe we should write books like what's

00:28:26.900 wrong with that what's the matter with california what's the matter with all these states that

00:28:30.580 continue to vote for democrats when it's been the republicans both in their state and nationally who

00:28:35.800 have done best by them yeah the the the democrats are really out of control i was outraged today to 1.00

00:28:42.200 watch senator elizabeth warren who's a complete and total phony i mean she's funded by banks and 1.00

00:28:48.560 big pharma millions of dollars of contributions i remember when she was running for president 1.00

00:28:53.740 very briefly she made a video where she said i'm gonna go get me a beer please lady i mean that

00:29:00.200 was a stretch you know you're you're ivy league educated completely owned by by uh by big pharma 0.51

00:29:06.720 and the big banks. She's just really, she's a sock puppet. And she attempted to attack Kevin 1.00

00:29:13.780 Walsh, who is the president's great new nominee to be chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Now,

00:29:20.360 unfortunately, Walsh cannot take office, even if confirmed by the Senate, because Tom Tillis,

00:29:27.640 who is staying on the U.S. Senate, Republican of North Carolina, soon to be retiring because he

00:29:34.380 knows if he ran again, he would be ignominiously defeated by a MAGA candidate. But Tillis refuses

00:29:41.260 to vote for Warsh until Jeanine Pirro, who appeared on these very airwaves for years,

00:29:50.460 drops the investigation into Jerome Powell, Jerome Tulate Powell, the current Federal Reserve

00:29:57.520 board chairman, who very clearly lied under oath to Congress about the opulent $1.6 billion plan

00:30:06.340 to redo the already opulent Federal Reserve headquarters on Constitution Avenue. It's

00:30:13.180 already a palace, but Powell under question said, no, there's no private dining room for the

00:30:20.200 governors. There's no private elevator for the board governors. There's no roof garden for the

00:30:25.160 board governors, those were all material lies. That's not true. We've seen the publicly published

00:30:31.680 plan. Now, whether it rises to the level of prosecution, hard to say. I mean, they charged

00:30:38.320 me for lying to Congress when no comment I made that was inaccurate was material. In other words,

00:30:45.400 in order to violate the False Statements Act, your statement must first be willful,

00:30:50.980 And then secondarily, it must be material, which, of course, I did make misstatements in my sworn testimony, but they were neither willful nor were they material, meaning there was no Russian collusion to cover up.

00:31:04.480 So what would be my motive to lie? The judge in my case, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, might as well have been an extra prosecutor because she ruled against my prosecution team in every matter, said to me, sentencing, you have been convicted of lying to cover up for Donald Trump, to which I say at this moment, cover up what?

00:31:24.840 the russian collusion that didn't exist um you know that i have actually a soundbite

00:31:31.260 of uh sarah eisen my former colleague at cnbc you're gonna love this if you haven't heard it

00:31:37.640 grilling elizabeth warren today listen to this i did want to ask you senator warren about

00:31:42.160 something else that happened last weekend which is you campaigned with graham plattner who is

00:31:46.980 i'm ahead of that very pivotal democratic primary and i wanted to ask you about something you said

00:31:51.840 You said he's the kind of man.

00:31:54.280 And I've interviewed you for a long time and watched your hearings and listened to your questions.

00:31:59.380 You care about character.

00:32:01.160 This is a guy that had a chest tattoo with a Nazi symbol.

00:32:04.800 Okay, he apologized for it.

00:32:06.280 It's a guy that reportedly wrote that people concerned about rape should take some responsibility for themselves

00:32:11.780 and not get so effed up that they wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to. 0.75

00:32:16.000 He praised military tactics used by Hamas, reportedly, in comments online and read it when they were murdering Israeli soldiers. 0.93

00:32:25.280 So I'm just curious why you think he's your kind of man.

00:32:31.300 So, as you rightly point out, he has apologized.

00:32:35.540 He's out meeting with the people of Maine every single day.

00:32:39.440 He only apologized about the tattoo.

00:32:41.280 I mean, she got nailed on that when she had nothing to say other than he's meeting with people of Maine.

00:32:45.860 Big deal. So is the dog catcher. She she is. She's an elitist phony owned by big banks and big pharma.

00:32:53.820 And she should stop trying to act like a regular person because there's nothing regular. 1.00

00:32:57.400 She's a multi multi millionaire Ivy League educated. 1.00

00:33:01.880 So maybe she should go get her a beer, as they say. I mean, it's just amazing how the if you're against Trump, they'll they'll excuse anything.

00:33:12.060 I mean, it's, you know, the level of this insanity has just gotten to the point where it's no longer a joke.

00:33:19.900 I mean, some people say, well, this is really funny. 0.80

00:33:21.180 Isn't it funny that Elizabeth Warren is supporting a guy with a Nazi tattoo who basically says rape victims had it coming and loves the fact that Hamas is killing civilians?

00:33:30.100 Sarah made a mistake there. 0.64

00:33:31.020 She said it's soldiers.

00:33:31.860 They were killing civilians.

00:33:32.720 They were killing babies.

00:33:33.860 I mean, there's just no level.

00:33:35.880 This seems to me like a tremendous level of – we're in a real danger zone, aren't we?

00:33:43.120 We really are, but I also think – I believe that if we're going to expel, for example, Eric Swalwell, who turns out to be a complete and total degenerate from the House, then we must also expel Corey Mills, a Republican from Florida.

00:33:58.400 Corey Mills lied about his military service, lied about his efforts to extract people from Afghanistan and Iran, and he lied to the president of the United States.

00:34:12.380 He has a restraining order filed against him for beating up one of his girlfriends.

00:34:18.200 He beat up a second girlfriend. 0.72

00:34:20.420 I mean, this guy is a freak, and we have to have one standard.

00:34:24.140 If we're going to expel Eric Swalwell, who was rightfully expelled, plus I think he's getting his style and fashion tips from Steve Bannon at this point. 0.78

00:34:34.200 But if we're going to expel him, we should also expel one of our own, Corey Mills, who, you know, who turns out to be a weirdo.

00:34:42.660 I wrote a very, very long piece on this, which you can find online.

00:34:46.560 You know, I think we have to make sure our own house is in order.

00:34:49.660 I will tell you this. That is a that is a it's a Republican district, but it's a narrowly Republican district.

00:34:56.660 If he is the Republican nominee in that seat, we will lose that seat to the Democrats in an election, which we cannot afford to lose any seats.

00:35:04.980 All right, Roger, stick with us. We're just going to take a break and come back with you.

00:35:07.300 But again, I want to commend you. I was going to I was going to mention Bannon.

00:35:10.060 Now you're talking about Mill. It's it's this is the kind of higher moral stance we have to take.

00:35:14.600 We have to call out our own. And you've done that on a number of occasions. I appreciate that.

00:35:17.780 One more segment with Roger Stone here on The Stone Zone.

00:35:20.300 I'm Jake Novak.

00:35:21.000 We'll be right back.

00:35:22.080 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:35:25.500 And he's a great, great person, Roger Stone.

00:35:29.620 The Stone Zone.

00:35:47.780 this is the stone zone with roger stone roger stone who's a very very one of the smartest

00:35:56.540 political minds roger stone was persecuted people forget he's actually a brilliant brilliant

00:36:01.320 political analyst now get him a zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone and roger stone

00:36:09.100 is joining us now i'm jake novak here at the mic roger stone on the phone uh roger we have just a

00:36:14.240 couple of minutes left but you are a brilliant political strategist so let me ask you have you

00:36:18.580 noticed that kamala harris or kamala whatever she wants to be called has started to get a little bit

00:36:25.020 more into the public eye lately do you think she's really considering because i i don't really if

00:36:29.920 until a couple weeks ago i didn't really think she was really thinking about running in 2028 but

00:36:33.920 now i'm not so sure no listen from your mouth to god's ears i hope she runs again she was the 0.99

00:36:40.600 worst presidential candidate in the history of american politics and uh that that laugh that 1.00

00:36:46.660 cackle uh i found i always found it entertaining her word salads are legendary she's obviously 1.00

00:36:53.520 an ignominious idiot uh and uh but i i think if you took a poll today given the fact that she 1.00

00:37:01.280 just spent tens of millions of dollars of mostly borrowed money she's plunged her party deep deep 1.00

00:37:07.960 in debt with her with her awful campaign and we have to remember that the people who had the no 0.99

00:37:14.280 kings rally they nominated a queen without anyone's votes i mean she was nominated for president when

00:37:21.160 not a single democrat primary voter not a single democrat caucus voter not a single delegate ever

00:37:27.380 nominated her this was a this was a sleight of hand by barack hussein obama they basically forced

00:37:34.800 Joe out of the race. I think it's very interesting. A very prominent New Jersey Democrat told me on

00:37:41.700 the Friday before he said, Joe Biden will drop out at four o'clock on Sunday. And he says,

00:37:48.340 watch the way they do it. He won't do a video. They'll release a letter. But he said the letter

00:37:53.720 will not be on White House stationery. So that's very strange. Then Saturday, I saw Joe saying that

00:38:01.160 No matter what, I'm not dropping out.

00:38:03.240 I'm definitely running.

00:38:04.100 I called my friend, a very, very prominent, well-known New Jersey Democrat, and I said,

00:38:10.660 do you still think Joe's dropping out?

00:38:12.240 He said, four o'clock Sunday.

00:38:14.180 And watch the signature on his letter.

00:38:16.840 It'll look kinky.

00:38:18.100 And it did.

00:38:19.160 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:19.520 Maybe the Democrats ought to try democracy. 0.99

00:38:21.380 It's in their name.

00:38:22.320 They might want to think about it.

00:38:23.560 All right.

00:38:23.820 Thank you, Roger, for joining us.

00:38:25.060 I'm Jake Novak.

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