The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 04-23-25


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Summary

In this episode, I discuss the process of choosing a new Pope, and the political considerations that go into it. I also discuss some of the names that have been mentioned as potential replacements for Pope Francis, and why they might not be the best choices.


Transcript

00:00:00.300 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.380 Welcome, you are entering the Stone Zone.
00:00:10.600 I'm a proud Roman Catholic.
00:00:13.660 I was baptized at St. Mary's Church in Norwalk, Connecticut,
00:00:18.360 one of the most beautiful Roman Catholic churches in the northeastern United States.
00:00:23.260 I received my first Holy Communion and my Holy Confirmation at St. Aloysius in New Canaan, Connecticut.
00:00:31.380 I admit that there was a period in which I fell away from the church,
00:00:34.840 but ultimately, during the Russian collusion hoax,
00:00:39.160 when I was unfairly targeted in a political prosecution and subjected to a Soviet-style show trial,
00:00:47.380 I was redeemed in the blood of the cross, and it is why I am with you today.
00:00:54.000 I become increasingly interested, after Pope Francis died on Easter Monday, April 21st, 2025,
00:01:02.260 at the age of 88, in the process that is involved in the selection of a new pope,
00:01:09.440 as well as the politics of that process.
00:01:12.980 Now, the process to choose a new pope is called a conclave.
00:01:17.180 After a pope dies or resigns, a group of the highest-ranking non-papal officials within the Catholic Church,
00:01:25.740 the cardinals, gather in Rome.
00:01:28.780 Cardinals over the age of 80 are excluded from the process,
00:01:34.040 stemming from a Pope Paul VI edict made in the 1970s.
00:01:39.260 This makes very little sense to me.
00:01:41.500 Why would the church exclude its oldest and wisest cardinals?
00:01:48.140 This alone will make it much more difficult for a conservative successor to Francis to be named.
00:01:55.600 Candidly, I believe that Benedict was the last legitimate pope.
00:02:00.440 I think the selection of Francis was a manipulated and political selection.
00:02:06.900 I, for example, strongly disagree with the fact that Pope Francis essentially reached agreement with the Chinese Communist Party
00:02:16.880 that allowed the Chinese communists to decide who the bishops in China would be.
00:02:24.540 When Cardinal Zen, with responsibility for China, objected, he was essentially shunned by the pope.
00:02:32.920 This is just one of many criticisms I have of Francis, who I think was more of a globalist than he was a Catholic.
00:02:42.260 Now, among the current College of Cardinals, 80% of them were chosen by Francis,
00:02:48.180 indicating that significant change in the direction of the church is highly unlikely.
00:02:54.200 These are the electors, and there's a cap of 120 of them, although the number can slightly vary depending on circumstances.
00:03:03.180 They will meet in the Sistine Chapel, the pope's official residence in Vatican City,
00:03:09.100 and they're essentially locked in, hence the term conclave, from the Latin conclave, meaning with a key.
00:03:18.040 It's kind of similar to a sequestered jury during a high-profile case.
00:03:24.220 The idea is to shield them from undue influence and protect the integrity of the process.
00:03:31.920 Anyone who tries to pretend that this isn't inherently political doesn't understand how the real world works.
00:03:39.140 Now, as someone who grew up watching the Reverend Fulton Sheen on WPIX in New York,
00:03:48.340 and who remembers when the Catholic Church was a bulk work of anti-communist communism,
00:03:55.220 today's Catholic Church is, to say the least, disappointing.
00:04:00.120 The Cardinals will cast ballots up to four times a day, two in the morning and two in the afternoon,
00:04:07.960 each writes the name of their chosen candidate on a slip of paper, folds it, and places it in a chalice on the altar.
00:04:17.560 The ballots are counted by three scrutineers, and to win, a candidate needs a two-thirds majority of the votes.
00:04:27.640 If no one gets that majority after a round,
00:04:31.200 the ballots are then burned with a chemical that turns the smoke black,
00:04:36.580 visible from St. Peter's Square to signal that no pope has yet been selected.
00:04:43.180 This process repeats until there is a winner.
00:04:47.140 At that point, the smoke turns white, thanks to the use of a different chemical mix,
00:04:52.980 and the crowd knows that a new pope has been chosen.
00:04:56.560 That is when Habemus Papum, Latin for we have a pope, is shouted from the balcony.
00:05:04.600 The winner is compelled to accept the election, choose his papal name,
00:05:10.120 and prepare himself to lead over one billion Catholics worldwide.
00:05:16.440 The whole thing can take days or could even take weeks,
00:05:20.060 although modern conclaves turn to wrap up much faster, often within a couple of days.
00:05:27.780 One common misunderstanding is that people, including many Catholics,
00:05:32.360 believe the church teaches that the Holy Spirit directly chooses the next pope.
00:05:37.860 That is not so.
00:05:39.600 While we pray that the cardinals are guarded by the Holy Spirit,
00:05:43.480 there is jockeying over who will be the next pope.
00:05:46.760 While it may be inappropriate to jockey the election of the next pope
00:05:51.560 as both a baptized Catholic and a political strategist,
00:05:55.520 I feel an obligation to give you the names and the handicapping of those
00:05:59.760 currently rumored to be in contention.
00:06:03.520 So here we go.
00:06:05.180 Cardinal Pietro Perrin, as the Vatican's Secretary of State,
00:06:10.280 and Cardinal Francis's right-hand man,
00:06:13.000 Perrin might be the current front-runner for the position.
00:06:16.760 He is considered a moderate with extensive diplomatic experience.
00:06:21.760 His selection would be viewed as a continuation of Pope Francis's pro-globalist policies.
00:06:29.800 Through some controversial dealings, like the Vatican's agreement with China,
00:06:34.740 this could complicate his candidacy.
00:06:37.260 Then there is Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle from the Philippines,
00:06:42.860 known as the Asian Francis.
00:06:44.900 Tegel is a progressive figure aligned with Francis's pastoral approach.
00:06:51.280 My sources tell me that he would be the worst choice for the church
00:06:54.780 and could be further to the left of the past pope, Francis.
00:06:59.760 At 67, he could be there for a very long time if chosen.
00:07:04.740 There is Cardinal Matteo Zuppi of Italy.
00:07:09.620 He's 69.
00:07:11.300 He is currently and was a great favorite of Pope Francis.
00:07:18.060 Zuppi is the president of the Italian Episcopal Conference
00:07:21.540 and a moderate to liberal known for his social justice advocacy.
00:07:26.660 His work as a peace envoy and his ties to the St. Erdogan community bolster his profile
00:07:34.820 among those who are seeking continuity with the Francis legacy.
00:07:41.220 Cardinal Fridolin Mbongo Besungo, he is from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, 65 years old.
00:07:51.080 He is a conservative voice from Africa.
00:07:55.360 Mbongo has gained attention for opposing Cardinal Francis's liberal stances,
00:08:01.380 notably on same-sex marriage blessings.
00:08:05.080 His leadership in the African church makes him a potential candidate
00:08:08.820 for those favoring a traditionalist shift in the selection of a new pope.
00:08:13.740 Then there is Cardinal Wim Egyk of the Netherlands, a former doctor and staunch conservative.
00:08:22.220 Egyk is known for opposing Francis's views on marriage and divorce.
00:08:28.460 His traditionalist stance could appeal to cardinals seeking a counterbalance
00:08:33.500 to the recent reforms promulgated by Pope Francis.
00:08:38.840 Cardinal Raymond Burke of the United States, 76, is an outspoken American traditionalist.
00:08:47.180 Burke has clashed with Francis over issues like marriage, the Eucharist, and same-sex marriage.
00:08:54.140 He's a long shot, represents a vocal conservative faction.
00:08:59.760 My sources think Burke would launch a major set of reforms to strengthen the church,
00:09:04.740 particularly among younger Catholics, who are overwhelmingly conservative.
00:09:09.920 And he has many support among the younger Catholics that I'm friendly with.
00:09:15.440 Cardinal Peter Erdo is yet another contender.
00:09:19.840 He's 72, Hungarian.
00:09:22.300 He is a conservative canon lawyer.
00:09:25.040 Erdo is respected for his adherence to church doctrine and his low-profile approach.
00:09:31.060 He's been mentioned in past conclaves, and he could attract moderate and conservative voters.
00:09:37.960 I guess he would be my first choice if I had to vote, but of course, I don't.
00:09:43.800 Then, of course, there is Cardinal Mario Creech.
00:09:47.440 He's from Malta.
00:09:48.880 He's 67.
00:09:50.320 A secretary general of the Synod of Bishops,
00:09:53.800 crutches a Francis appointee with a progressive bent,
00:09:57.560 emphasizing dialogue with marginalized groups.
00:10:01.540 He's a less prominent, but I would say plausible contender.
00:10:06.340 Now, if I had my druthers, I guess my real first choice would be Cardinal Robert Serra.
00:10:12.260 He is from Guinea.
00:10:13.560 He's 79.
00:10:15.080 I think he would be my pick.
00:10:16.780 He is a staunch conservative, defender of the faith and the church,
00:10:22.440 believer in borders and the rules of the West.
00:10:25.840 No man, in my opinion, is more suited for the monumental job than Cardinal Sara.
00:10:32.920 With his dark complexion and his articulation of traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,
00:10:39.100 his eminence would be very much a pontiff in the same vein as, say,
00:10:43.800 Justice Clarence Thomas is to the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:10:48.740 My friends have pointed out another long shot.
00:10:52.020 That is Cardinal Piera Battista Pizzaballa.
00:10:56.960 Cardinal Pizzaballa is an Italian Catholic prelate who has served as the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem
00:11:03.760 since November 6, 2020.
00:11:07.420 Cardinal Pizzaballa's work and message reflects his commitment to peace, unity,
00:11:12.480 and well-being of the Christian community in the Holy Land.
00:11:17.140 I stress once again, many consider him a long shot.
00:11:21.280 Now, remember, 80% of those voting were selected by Pope Francis
00:11:27.440 so that the selection of a more traditionalist or conservative pope
00:11:31.540 who is a staunch anti-communist in the mold of Pope John Paul II may require a miracle.
00:11:41.540 So I suggest that if you are a Catholic or if you're just someone who cares,
00:11:46.940 that we pray over this.
00:11:48.900 With a papal conclave convening as soon as next week,
00:11:53.220 I would say a prayer to support the Church.
00:11:58.080 May the Holy Spirit guide and influence this election process.
00:12:01.840 May God's blessing be upon the Cardinals,
00:12:04.300 that they may be open to his guidance and choice of a new pope
00:12:09.120 who will be a blessing to the Church.
00:12:11.580 I would also say may God grant the Cardinals wisdom, discernment,
00:12:16.420 and courage in their decision-making,
00:12:18.640 so they may choose a leader who is truly after his heart.
00:12:23.660 May God raise up a shepherd who will be faithful, compassionate, and unified.
00:12:29.840 Amen.
00:12:30.740 That's my prayer.
00:12:32.440 Now, despite the handicapping, despite the politics,
00:12:36.540 despite the fact that Pope Francis essentially selected 80% of those
00:12:43.600 who will vote in the upcoming conclave,
00:12:47.140 as a Catholic, as a Christian,
00:12:49.840 we believe that nothing is impossible for the Lord,
00:12:53.860 and in the end, he will decide who the next pope is.
00:12:58.240 If he needed any advice, well, I hope he listens to this show.
00:13:02.360 Actually, I think he listens to all of our prayers,
00:13:05.540 and I pray for a just result.
00:13:08.360 I think the Catholic Church needs to return to be a bulk work
00:13:13.180 of anti-communism, anti-authoritarianism,
00:13:17.280 and a beacon for freedom and respect for the Lord.
00:13:22.360 This upcoming election is crucial,
00:13:24.560 and I'm glad if you had an opportunity to tune in to my handicapping.
00:13:28.220 You're listening to The Stone Zone.
00:13:29.920 I'm Roger Stone.
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00:14:22.100 President Donald Trump just the other day
00:14:24.700 slammed the United States court system,
00:14:26.420 including the Supreme Court,
00:14:27.740 over their response to his efforts to deport illegal migrants,
00:14:31.780 stating it is not possible to try every person
00:14:35.620 who is in the United States illegally.
00:14:38.340 The Supreme Court ruled last weekend,
00:14:41.260 temporarily blocking Trump's latest round of deportations
00:14:45.060 under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act.
00:14:49.100 Trump's deportations have come under undue scrutiny
00:14:52.440 after he began removing hundreds of illegal migrants
00:14:56.400 he accused of being gang members without due process.
00:15:01.300 The president defended his actions in a post on True Social,
00:15:04.780 I saw,
00:15:05.620 claiming it would take 200 years to try to
00:15:09.440 give every illegal migrant in the country a trial
00:15:14.160 and slammed the Supreme Court
00:15:16.520 for allegedly not wanting him to send violent criminals
00:15:20.300 and terrorists, in this case, back to Venezuela.
00:15:24.160 I'm doing what I was elected to do,
00:15:26.220 the president said,
00:15:27.380 which is to say,
00:15:28.240 remove criminals from our country.
00:15:30.200 But the courts don't seem to want me to do that,
00:15:33.080 wrote the president.
00:15:34.300 My team is fantastic,
00:15:35.880 doing an incredible job.
00:15:37.620 However,
00:15:38.300 they are being stymied at every turn
00:15:40.800 by the U.S. Supreme Court,
00:15:43.580 the courts and the U.S. Supreme Court,
00:15:45.700 which I have such great respect for,
00:15:47.460 which seemingly doesn't want me to send violent criminals
00:15:51.200 and terrorists back to Venezuela
00:15:53.660 or any other country.
00:15:56.400 Only yesterday,
00:15:57.900 we saw a fake news report from ABC News,
00:16:01.080 which said that the 18 intelligence agencies
00:16:04.460 disagreed with the president's assertion
00:16:07.640 that the violent terrorist gangs
00:16:10.460 are directly connected to the Venezuelan government.
00:16:14.660 I spoke personally to the director of national intelligence,
00:16:19.420 Tulsi Gabbard,
00:16:20.420 who told me that the determination
00:16:22.900 of the intelligence agencies
00:16:24.520 was actually the direct opposite
00:16:27.240 of what ABC News had reported.
00:16:31.080 So much for ABC News being either a journalistic outfit
00:16:35.680 or a legitimate news outlet.
00:16:38.380 The president praised Supreme Court Justice Alito's dissent,
00:16:42.140 stating that the justice was right
00:16:43.820 for wanting to resolve the pause on deportations.
00:16:48.640 Alito wrote in his scathing dissent,
00:16:51.720 literally in the middle of the night,
00:16:53.200 the court issued unprecedented
00:16:55.380 and legally questionable relief
00:16:57.300 without giving the lower courts a chance to even rule,
00:17:00.160 without hearing from the opposing party,
00:17:02.400 within eight hours of receiving the application,
00:17:05.620 with dubious factual support for its order,
00:17:08.500 and without providing any explanation for its order.
00:17:11.640 Again, on True Social,
00:17:13.860 I saw the president declared,
00:17:15.600 if we don't get these criminals out of the country,
00:17:17.900 we're not going to have a country any longer.
00:17:21.140 We cannot give everyone a trial
00:17:23.020 because to do so would take,
00:17:24.460 without exaggeration,
00:17:26.220 200 years.
00:17:28.660 We would need thousands of trials
00:17:30.360 for hundreds of thousands of illegals.
00:17:32.400 It just cannot be done.
00:17:34.620 Don't touch that dial
00:17:35.740 because we'll be right back.
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00:17:55.980 Welcome back.
00:17:57.040 You are entering the Stone Zone.
00:17:59.020 Yet again,
00:17:59.560 joining me now is Joel Gilbert.
00:18:01.900 Joel Gilbert is an investigative journalist,
00:18:04.340 a documentary filmmaker,
00:18:07.220 and a musician.
00:18:09.400 He is best known for his documentaries,
00:18:13.660 including Dreams from My Real Father,
00:18:16.180 Trump,
00:18:16.600 The Art of the Insult.
00:18:18.060 Hysterically funny,
00:18:19.000 by the way.
00:18:19.980 But more recently,
00:18:21.120 Joel Gilbert has written a series of articles
00:18:23.840 for the Gateway Pundit
00:18:24.980 regarding New York Attorney General
00:18:27.620 Letitia James.
00:18:29.000 You remember her?
00:18:30.120 She's the one who said that
00:18:31.360 no one is above the law.
00:18:34.500 She's the one who charged
00:18:36.060 President Donald Trump,
00:18:37.440 claiming that he had overvalued his assets
00:18:40.500 in order to obtain commercial loans,
00:18:44.340 all of which got paid back on time,
00:18:47.100 in which the lenders made $40 million in interest.
00:18:52.160 In fact,
00:18:52.720 every one of the lenders said
00:18:53.800 they would do those transactions yet again.
00:18:56.680 Letitia James used a law
00:18:58.240 that has never been used
00:18:59.700 in New York State history
00:19:01.320 to prosecute anybody.
00:19:03.360 But it turns out
00:19:04.580 that the Attorney General
00:19:06.020 is a bit of a hypocrite.
00:19:08.120 Joel Gilbert,
00:19:08.880 welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:19:10.980 Great to be back.
00:19:11.860 Thank you, Roger.
00:19:13.140 So, Joel,
00:19:14.040 I'm going to throw this to you.
00:19:15.780 Summarize for us
00:19:16.820 what you have learned
00:19:18.500 and what you have reported on,
00:19:20.280 and most importantly,
00:19:21.460 what you have documented
00:19:23.380 regarding New York's Attorney General.
00:19:25.920 Well, you had a great introduction there
00:19:28.880 because Letitia James charged Trump
00:19:31.720 with civil mortgage fraud
00:19:33.300 on garbage charges.
00:19:35.220 What I have detailed
00:19:36.100 is actual criminal mortgage fraud
00:19:38.940 by, I think,
00:19:39.720 Letitia James herself.
00:19:41.580 And I wrote a series of articles
00:19:43.080 for the Gateway Pundit.
00:19:44.760 In the first one,
00:19:45.840 I looked at her history,
00:19:48.020 entire history of taking mortgages out.
00:19:50.980 First one we find out,
00:19:52.340 when she's only 24 years old,
00:19:53.860 she's out of college,
00:19:54.920 she's got no job
00:19:55.920 or probably a low-paying job,
00:19:58.600 and she decides to buy
00:19:59.700 an 800-square-foot townhome,
00:20:01.860 and she's obviously not qualified.
00:20:04.220 So what does she do?
00:20:05.360 We look at the mortgage document,
00:20:07.260 it's online on ACRIS,
00:20:09.080 and it shows that she pretended
00:20:10.680 that she was married to her father
00:20:12.460 who had a real job,
00:20:14.300 and she used his income balance sheet
00:20:17.780 to try to qualify for this loan.
00:20:19.960 It says it right on the mortgage document
00:20:22.520 in three places,
00:20:23.460 so it could not have been a typo.
00:20:25.660 And in fact,
00:20:26.540 years later,
00:20:27.200 when they sold the property,
00:20:28.400 they also sold it as husband and wife.
00:20:30.900 So this, I think,
00:20:31.900 is a clear case of mortgage fraud.
00:20:33.520 It's illegal to misrepresent
00:20:34.820 a relationship
00:20:35.660 in order to qualify for a loan.
00:20:38.920 And Ilhan Omar, of course,
00:20:40.480 is known for marrying her brother
00:20:41.880 to get an immigration advantage.
00:20:43.600 I think Letitia James
00:20:45.220 actually pretended to marry her father
00:20:47.200 for a mortgage loan advantage,
00:20:49.120 which was illegal.
00:20:51.080 That was her first...
00:20:52.520 Go ahead.
00:20:53.000 I think you have addressed
00:20:55.000 those who say
00:20:56.280 that this was just
00:20:58.220 a typographical error.
00:20:59.560 It's not...
00:21:00.300 If it's three different places
00:21:02.260 in the documents,
00:21:03.660 and if the mortgage document
00:21:06.540 says husband and wife,
00:21:08.960 but the title
00:21:10.200 to the property
00:21:11.880 says correctly
00:21:13.120 father and daughter,
00:21:14.880 there's very little chance
00:21:15.700 that this was a typographical error.
00:21:18.460 Not possible.
00:21:19.700 Her father was quite old
00:21:20.760 at that time.
00:21:21.400 He actually died
00:21:22.040 only three years later.
00:21:23.680 So for the deed,
00:21:24.720 they actually wrote
00:21:25.520 father and daughter.
00:21:26.880 But on the mortgage,
00:21:28.980 to qualify for it,
00:21:30.340 they said husband and wife.
00:21:32.100 And indeed,
00:21:33.260 15 years later,
00:21:34.200 when Letitia sold the property,
00:21:35.760 she sold it
00:21:36.380 as husband and wife,
00:21:37.680 even though her father
00:21:38.440 was deceased.
00:21:40.040 Now,
00:21:40.320 her second big mortgage snafu
00:21:42.780 has to do with
00:21:43.740 296 Brooklyn,
00:21:45.460 in Lafayette Avenue
00:21:46.640 in Brooklyn,
00:21:48.100 where it's a four-story
00:21:49.320 apartment building
00:21:50.280 with five apartments in it.
00:21:52.000 And that's pretty much
00:21:53.220 become a crime scene,
00:21:54.380 according to what I've discovered.
00:21:56.200 Because what she did
00:21:57.580 is she took mortgages
00:21:58.840 and refinances
00:21:59.900 over 20 years,
00:22:00.960 and she always falsely claimed
00:22:03.080 that it only had four apartments
00:22:04.880 in a five-apartment building.
00:22:07.160 Now,
00:22:07.500 the certificate of occupancy
00:22:08.940 for this building
00:22:09.820 is the official designation
00:22:11.700 by the city of New York
00:22:13.080 that says how many apartments
00:22:14.860 you have.
00:22:16.340 2001,
00:22:17.460 Letitia buys the property
00:22:18.660 as a five-unit building.
00:22:20.260 It says so
00:22:20.840 on the certificate
00:22:21.540 of occupancy.
00:22:23.380 So,
00:22:23.900 when she each time
00:22:25.340 applies for a refinance
00:22:26.720 saying that it's
00:22:27.360 only four units,
00:22:28.860 that's mortgage fraud.
00:22:30.600 The biggest fraud
00:22:31.400 was a HAMP loan
00:22:32.420 she took out
00:22:33.020 from the U.S. government
00:22:33.900 under the TARP program.
00:22:35.200 She was paying
00:22:36.440 about 10%
00:22:37.560 for her adjustable rate mortgage.
00:22:40.880 And she decided,
00:22:41.860 hey,
00:22:42.020 I'd like to refinance
00:22:43.260 on the back
00:22:43.780 of the American taxpayer
00:22:44.940 and get this government loan
00:22:46.960 at only 2.7%.
00:22:48.860 Now,
00:22:49.660 to do that,
00:22:51.660 the HAMP loan
00:22:52.500 is not even available
00:22:53.880 for anybody
00:22:54.640 with five units or more.
00:22:56.220 So,
00:22:56.420 she once again lies
00:22:57.520 and says it's only
00:22:58.300 four-unit building,
00:22:59.480 even though it's clearly five.
00:23:01.400 She also lies
00:23:02.500 saying that she has
00:23:03.460 a financial hardship.
00:23:04.540 You had to have
00:23:05.260 a financial hardship
00:23:06.280 to get this government loan.
00:23:08.300 But she's making
00:23:09.180 $14,000 a month
00:23:10.660 from her city council salary
00:23:12.280 and from her rentals.
00:23:13.780 So,
00:23:14.100 that's a second
00:23:14.920 criminal lie
00:23:17.560 in a mortgage.
00:23:19.140 And Letitia made it
00:23:19.960 very clear
00:23:20.420 that no one
00:23:20.960 is above the law
00:23:21.800 and therefore
00:23:23.380 her HAMP loan
00:23:24.440 by itself,
00:23:26.220 which has now
00:23:26.840 been referred
00:23:27.360 to the Department
00:23:27.960 of Justice
00:23:28.460 by Bill Pulte,
00:23:30.000 because of the fact
00:23:32.020 that she lied
00:23:32.820 on this loan
00:23:33.800 to get a 2.7% loan.
00:23:36.340 So,
00:23:36.840 there's
00:23:37.220 many
00:23:38.140 mortgage crimes
00:23:39.760 that are coming out
00:23:40.620 about this property.
00:23:42.440 Now,
00:23:43.040 in addition,
00:23:44.060 I've got another article
00:23:45.200 coming out
00:23:45.860 on the Gateway Pundit
00:23:46.900 tomorrow
00:23:47.360 and the title is,
00:23:49.600 Is Letitia James
00:23:50.780 a Slumlord?
00:23:52.040 Because when you look
00:23:53.300 on the New York
00:23:54.080 Department of Buildings
00:23:55.620 website,
00:23:56.960 she's got
00:23:57.360 four of the units
00:23:58.780 are infested
00:23:59.340 with bed bugs.
00:24:00.180 That means
00:24:00.540 every one
00:24:01.100 of her tenants
00:24:01.660 because she lives
00:24:02.520 in the building.
00:24:03.160 So,
00:24:03.360 she lives in one unit
00:24:04.520 and all four
00:24:05.760 of her tenants
00:24:06.340 have bed bugs.
00:24:07.400 Obviously,
00:24:07.980 Letitia wasn't
00:24:08.720 going to make
00:24:09.660 a report
00:24:10.100 about her own unit.
00:24:11.840 She's got two units
00:24:13.060 with peeling paint
00:24:14.020 all over the place.
00:24:15.560 She's got 17
00:24:16.620 complaints
00:24:17.240 in the last 20 months.
00:24:19.640 So,
00:24:20.260 it's also,
00:24:21.420 the hypocrisy,
00:24:22.420 again,
00:24:22.860 is stunning
00:24:23.760 because
00:24:24.340 she has built
00:24:25.800 her political brand
00:24:26.940 on this commitment
00:24:27.880 to tenant advocacy
00:24:29.180 and housing justice.
00:24:31.120 But Letitia herself
00:24:32.360 really is operating
00:24:34.000 her building
00:24:34.540 as a slumlord.
00:24:35.740 So,
00:24:36.380 I think Letitia
00:24:37.260 has to resign.
00:24:38.280 I don't see how
00:24:38.820 she can survive
00:24:39.640 this scandal
00:24:40.340 that she's again
00:24:42.400 and again
00:24:42.900 guilty of mortgage fraud
00:24:44.340 and now being
00:24:44.880 a slumlord.
00:24:46.260 I noticed
00:24:47.260 that Sam Antar,
00:24:49.080 who's also appeared
00:24:50.180 here in the Stone Zone,
00:24:52.040 has published
00:24:53.220 at his website,
00:24:54.900 whitecollarfraud.com,
00:24:58.180 a series
00:24:58.800 of additional
00:25:00.000 exposés
00:25:01.280 on the
00:25:02.720 misdeeds
00:25:03.640 of Letitia James.
00:25:05.640 He reported
00:25:06.540 that
00:25:07.820 only
00:25:08.820 in 2023,
00:25:10.560 literally weeks
00:25:11.360 before
00:25:11.920 she put
00:25:12.740 Donald Trump
00:25:13.400 on trial
00:25:14.220 in the so-called
00:25:16.020 valuations
00:25:16.760 case,
00:25:17.620 a case in which
00:25:18.800 Mr. Trump,
00:25:21.080 then a candidate
00:25:22.020 for president,
00:25:22.760 was not allowed
00:25:23.420 to put up
00:25:26.320 a defense
00:25:26.940 and the judge
00:25:28.900 essentially declared
00:25:29.860 him guilty
00:25:31.080 without a real
00:25:32.220 trial.
00:25:34.140 Letitia James
00:25:34.960 signed a
00:25:35.940 power of attorney
00:25:37.440 which said
00:25:39.840 that she
00:25:41.260 and her niece
00:25:42.940 would inhabit
00:25:45.080 a property
00:25:45.840 that they purchased
00:25:46.840 in Virginia
00:25:47.800 within 60 days
00:25:49.560 of closing
00:25:50.280 the mortgage.
00:25:51.680 And the mortgage
00:25:53.200 clearly reflects
00:25:54.800 that it had
00:25:56.320 to be
00:25:56.760 owner-occupied
00:25:58.000 in order
00:25:58.360 to qualify
00:25:59.260 for the mortgage.
00:26:01.800 Now,
00:26:02.140 the New York
00:26:02.640 Daily News
00:26:03.380 editorial board
00:26:04.340 published a piece
00:26:05.240 dismissing all of this,
00:26:06.960 saying that
00:26:08.060 these were
00:26:08.740 flimsy claims
00:26:10.580 of fraud
00:26:11.200 and petty
00:26:12.480 payback
00:26:13.400 by the administration
00:26:15.400 for the civil case
00:26:16.680 she brought
00:26:17.060 against Donald Trump.
00:26:19.020 You know
00:26:19.700 Sam Mantar,
00:26:20.640 you know
00:26:21.420 his work,
00:26:22.480 it is
00:26:22.840 extremely
00:26:23.980 documented.
00:26:25.380 By the way,
00:26:25.840 Sam Mantar is
00:26:26.480 not a Republican,
00:26:28.200 not a Trump supporter.
00:26:30.600 He is,
00:26:31.440 he has a very
00:26:32.080 interesting background.
00:26:33.200 He himself
00:26:33.720 was convicted
00:26:34.700 when one of the
00:26:35.460 greatest security
00:26:36.760 frauds in American
00:26:37.720 history.
00:26:38.760 He,
00:26:39.460 he went to prison,
00:26:40.740 he did his time,
00:26:41.960 he paid his debt
00:26:42.660 to society,
00:26:43.420 but when he came
00:26:44.400 out,
00:26:44.720 he decided
00:26:45.220 to use
00:26:45.880 his unique
00:26:46.560 forensic talents
00:26:48.420 to help
00:26:49.180 governments,
00:26:50.200 law firms,
00:26:51.420 and other
00:26:52.140 institutions
00:26:52.760 detect
00:26:53.540 white-collar
00:26:54.740 fraud.
00:26:55.540 Turned his
00:26:56.160 life around
00:26:56.780 and now using
00:26:57.420 it for good.
00:26:59.100 Joel,
00:26:59.680 what do you
00:27:00.020 think of
00:27:00.600 these
00:27:01.200 revelations
00:27:02.220 by Sam Mantar?
00:27:04.760 Sam has
00:27:05.500 just done a
00:27:06.040 fantastic job
00:27:06.940 on his website.
00:27:07.800 Everyone should
00:27:08.260 look at it
00:27:08.760 every day
00:27:09.280 because he's
00:27:09.640 got great
00:27:10.100 updates,
00:27:10.920 whitecollarfraud.com.
00:27:12.380 He discovered
00:27:13.580 that Letitia
00:27:14.240 claimed,
00:27:14.780 as you mentioned,
00:27:15.520 that this home
00:27:16.640 in Virginia
00:27:17.240 would be her
00:27:18.000 primary residence.
00:27:19.200 Now,
00:27:19.340 the reason she
00:27:19.880 did that
00:27:20.340 is because
00:27:20.900 you do get
00:27:21.540 lower rates
00:27:22.340 when you say
00:27:23.360 when the mortgage
00:27:24.220 companies give
00:27:25.180 you a lower rate.
00:27:26.580 And I had an
00:27:27.000 article also
00:27:27.680 on Gateway
00:27:29.340 Pundit
00:27:29.860 showing you
00:27:30.540 that insurance
00:27:31.900 companies also
00:27:32.760 give lower rates
00:27:33.640 when someone
00:27:34.380 says they're
00:27:34.940 going to
00:27:35.260 inhabit their
00:27:36.480 house.
00:27:37.340 If they say
00:27:38.200 they're going
00:27:38.480 to rent it out
00:27:39.100 or have someone
00:27:39.560 else living there,
00:27:40.280 the insurance
00:27:40.780 rates are higher.
00:27:41.660 So I believe
00:27:42.660 Letitia James
00:27:43.460 is also guilty
00:27:44.340 of insurance
00:27:45.120 fraud.
00:27:46.260 And Sam
00:27:46.860 Antar has
00:27:47.500 shown how
00:27:48.420 the Northbrook
00:27:49.340 property is
00:27:50.040 just the primary
00:27:50.880 evidence done
00:27:51.860 at exactly
00:27:52.620 the same time
00:27:53.420 she was
00:27:53.960 prosecuting
00:27:55.300 Trump for
00:27:55.780 mortgage fraud.
00:27:56.580 She herself
00:27:57.180 was engaged
00:27:57.700 in mortgage
00:27:58.120 fraud.
00:27:58.980 I also
00:27:59.660 had an article
00:28:00.320 about a
00:28:01.020 foreclosure
00:28:01.740 property that
00:28:02.560 Letitia purchased
00:28:03.400 in 2008
00:28:04.660 in Martinsville,
00:28:05.980 Virginia,
00:28:06.720 where she
00:28:07.520 purchased a
00:28:08.180 property with a
00:28:08.960 couple who
00:28:09.520 had been
00:28:09.940 foreclosed on
00:28:10.880 and then
00:28:11.880 the deed
00:28:12.480 for the
00:28:12.840 property that
00:28:13.600 was created,
00:28:14.280 the new
00:28:14.580 deed,
00:28:15.600 Letitia wasn't
00:28:16.340 on it.
00:28:17.400 So she
00:28:18.340 should have
00:28:18.720 been because
00:28:19.180 she was a
00:28:19.740 purchaser.
00:28:20.540 So that was
00:28:21.220 another indication
00:28:22.380 of possible
00:28:23.000 mortgage fraud
00:28:23.740 because the
00:28:24.440 purchasers have
00:28:25.280 to appear on
00:28:26.300 the deed.
00:28:27.220 She may to
00:28:27.680 this day have
00:28:28.520 an interest in
00:28:29.940 that property
00:28:30.580 that she bought
00:28:31.200 this foreclosure
00:28:31.980 but never
00:28:32.380 disclosed it
00:28:33.060 on her campaign
00:28:34.160 forms.
00:28:34.640 So Sam
00:28:35.780 Antar has a
00:28:36.500 lot more
00:28:36.940 information about
00:28:37.920 campaign fraud,
00:28:39.640 misuse of
00:28:40.600 airplane expenses,
00:28:42.700 you name it.
00:28:44.000 Letitia, I
00:28:44.900 think, has to
00:28:45.580 resign at this
00:28:46.220 point.
00:28:46.620 The New York
00:28:47.000 Daily News is
00:28:47.840 not going to
00:28:48.300 save her by
00:28:49.420 pretending and
00:28:50.440 repeating things
00:28:51.520 that aren't
00:28:51.860 true.
00:28:52.580 The Albany
00:28:53.520 Times Union,
00:28:55.080 in a tight
00:28:56.900 contest, perhaps
00:28:57.900 be the worst
00:28:58.460 newspaper in the
00:28:59.240 country in
00:29:00.180 terms of
00:29:00.740 absolute bias in
00:29:02.080 their reporting,
00:29:03.480 never mind their
00:29:04.300 editorial page,
00:29:05.720 has also come
00:29:06.980 to her defense
00:29:07.940 to try to
00:29:10.060 pretend that
00:29:10.620 these are not
00:29:11.340 legitimate issues.
00:29:12.900 It's interesting,
00:29:14.160 Attorney General
00:29:15.400 James told the
00:29:16.440 New York Times
00:29:17.160 that despite
00:29:19.080 this power of
00:29:21.000 attorney she
00:29:21.680 signed in which
00:29:22.420 she claimed she
00:29:23.220 would move to
00:29:24.300 Virginia, which
00:29:25.060 would have made
00:29:25.820 her instantaneously
00:29:27.460 constitutionally
00:29:28.600 ineligible to be
00:29:30.260 the New York
00:29:30.740 Attorney General,
00:29:32.160 or if she did
00:29:34.120 move, if she
00:29:35.360 didn't move, she
00:29:36.020 would be guilty
00:29:37.360 of a false
00:29:38.480 statement on
00:29:40.200 this sworn
00:29:41.100 document.
00:29:42.400 She claimed that
00:29:43.420 there was a
00:29:44.120 prior application
00:29:46.580 for that mortgage
00:29:47.640 in which there
00:29:49.040 was no pledge
00:29:50.840 to move in
00:29:51.840 and occupy the
00:29:53.660 property.
00:29:54.600 She also claimed
00:29:55.740 that the mortgage
00:29:57.040 did not require
00:29:58.140 her to do so.
00:29:59.180 anyone can go
00:30:01.600 to whitecollarfraud.com
00:30:03.720 or can go
00:30:05.620 look up the
00:30:06.080 documents themselves.
00:30:07.520 Both of those
00:30:08.480 claims are
00:30:09.380 completely and
00:30:10.500 totally false.
00:30:12.120 If there's a
00:30:12.940 prior application
00:30:15.300 in which she
00:30:16.980 doesn't pledge to
00:30:18.080 move into the
00:30:18.640 property, then the
00:30:20.160 New York Times
00:30:20.640 should make it
00:30:21.140 public because they
00:30:21.840 seem to be the
00:30:22.440 only ones who
00:30:22.920 have a copy of
00:30:23.640 it.
00:30:23.920 And they wrote
00:30:24.720 about it as if
00:30:25.800 it is a fact.
00:30:28.600 This is a part
00:30:30.260 and parcel of
00:30:31.180 the establishment
00:30:32.840 cover-up that I
00:30:35.040 think she is
00:30:36.120 currently benefiting
00:30:37.160 from.
00:30:38.220 Look, I'll agree
00:30:39.220 with that.
00:30:39.860 New York State
00:30:40.680 is an open
00:30:41.400 record state.
00:30:42.680 That's how I,
00:30:43.840 in California,
00:30:44.780 could simply jump
00:30:45.720 on the website
00:30:46.440 and download all
00:30:47.540 these mortgages.
00:30:48.840 Anybody, just
00:30:49.560 type in Letitia
00:30:50.380 James, you can
00:30:51.080 download every
00:30:51.900 mortgage myself
00:30:52.840 or Sam Antar
00:30:53.760 I've written
00:30:54.100 about, and you
00:30:55.220 can read them
00:30:55.720 yourself.
00:30:56.260 You will find
00:30:56.780 nothing to
00:30:57.840 support these
00:30:58.840 flimsy leftist
00:31:00.060 rags, claims
00:31:01.460 that Letitia
00:31:02.600 did something
00:31:03.320 that was legal
00:31:04.260 because everything
00:31:05.200 was illegal
00:31:06.100 from the HAMP
00:31:06.820 loan to the
00:31:08.000 claim of a
00:31:08.660 primary residence
00:31:09.700 in Northfolk,
00:31:11.760 illegal what she
00:31:12.660 did with the
00:31:13.160 foreclosure in
00:31:13.900 Martinsville,
00:31:14.400 Virginia, illegal
00:31:15.680 to defraud
00:31:16.460 insurance companies
00:31:17.400 by claiming she
00:31:18.180 only had four
00:31:18.800 units, illegal
00:31:20.300 to claim that
00:31:21.460 with the HAMP
00:31:23.340 loan that she
00:31:24.200 had a
00:31:25.460 financial hardship
00:31:27.580 while making
00:31:28.140 $14,000 a
00:31:29.040 month.
00:31:29.620 It's overwhelming
00:31:30.560 evidence.
00:31:31.280 I invite everyone
00:31:32.080 to go onto the
00:31:32.860 ACRIS website
00:31:33.860 and you can
00:31:34.740 verify everything
00:31:35.600 myself and Sam
00:31:36.540 Antar have
00:31:37.040 reported.
00:31:37.440 And by the
00:31:38.880 way, I have
00:31:39.640 invited the
00:31:40.460 Attorney General
00:31:41.080 to appear on
00:31:41.800 this program
00:31:42.460 anytime she
00:31:43.500 wishes to
00:31:44.560 appear to
00:31:45.240 defend herself
00:31:46.280 against any
00:31:47.640 of these charges.
00:31:48.460 I think that's
00:31:49.020 only fair.
00:31:50.400 Somehow I
00:31:51.040 won't hold my
00:31:52.060 breath.
00:31:53.660 Where do you
00:31:54.520 think this goes?
00:31:55.600 I mean, now this
00:31:56.780 is a political
00:31:57.320 question.
00:31:58.340 I read the
00:31:59.320 letter that the
00:32:01.300 head of the
00:32:01.960 Federal Housing
00:32:02.720 Finance Agency
00:32:04.020 sent to the
00:32:05.540 Justice Department
00:32:06.700 a referral for
00:32:08.480 prosecution.
00:32:09.820 Do you think
00:32:10.780 that the
00:32:12.000 Attorney General
00:32:12.620 will be held
00:32:13.780 accountable?
00:32:15.820 Well, this is a
00:32:17.120 good test to see
00:32:18.000 if Pam Bondi's
00:32:18.920 DOJ will follow
00:32:20.020 through on the
00:32:21.600 promise of
00:32:22.320 Donald Trump and
00:32:23.060 his campaign to
00:32:23.940 restore law and
00:32:24.720 order because
00:32:25.600 Letitia James has
00:32:26.920 violated, even as a
00:32:28.040 public official,
00:32:29.340 the law, I think,
00:32:30.420 repeatedly.
00:32:31.400 I have some
00:32:32.220 concerns about
00:32:32.860 Pam Bondi, as
00:32:33.740 do other MAGA
00:32:35.180 Republicans.
00:32:36.000 I think I
00:32:36.440 detailed in my
00:32:37.160 film The Trayvon
00:32:38.040 Hoax, where I
00:32:38.820 looked at the
00:32:39.700 George Zimmerman
00:32:40.320 case in
00:32:40.900 Florida.
00:32:41.900 Not everybody
00:32:42.400 knows that Pam
00:32:43.200 Bondi was the
00:32:44.040 Attorney General
00:32:44.820 of Florida when
00:32:46.620 the local police
00:32:48.000 in Sanford,
00:32:48.900 Florida, exonerated
00:32:50.040 George Zimmerman,
00:32:50.940 said he shot
00:32:51.540 Trayvon Martin in
00:32:52.320 self-defense.
00:32:53.420 But because of
00:32:54.220 the street protests
00:32:55.260 by Ben Crump
00:32:56.540 and Al Sharpton,
00:32:58.020 Pam Bondi
00:32:58.640 caved in.
00:32:59.620 Instead of
00:33:00.080 looking at the
00:33:00.820 evidence and
00:33:01.460 saying, hey, I've
00:33:02.220 looked at the
00:33:02.640 police report,
00:33:03.780 Zimmerman was
00:33:04.800 acting in
00:33:05.300 self-defense,
00:33:05.980 see you later.
00:33:06.960 Instead, she
00:33:07.500 appointed a
00:33:08.120 special counsel
00:33:08.860 to investigate
00:33:09.600 and arrest
00:33:10.060 Zimmerman and
00:33:10.640 defended the
00:33:12.300 attorneys like
00:33:13.240 Crump and
00:33:13.740 others.
00:33:14.800 And so she's
00:33:15.440 kind of partially
00:33:16.260 responsible for
00:33:17.160 Black Lives Matter,
00:33:18.180 which was founded
00:33:19.460 on Zimmerman being
00:33:20.400 acquitted.
00:33:21.080 So this is a
00:33:21.680 great test to see
00:33:22.580 if Pam Bondi
00:33:23.700 will follow through
00:33:24.500 and if she really
00:33:25.040 is a MAGA
00:33:25.560 Republican or not.
00:33:27.160 All right, if you're
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00:34:35.640 minutes left.
00:34:36.440 We're talking to
00:34:37.200 documentary filmmaker
00:34:38.260 and investigative
00:34:39.640 journalist and author
00:34:41.060 Joel Gilbert.
00:34:42.400 Joel, I want to go
00:34:42.900 back to an old topic.
00:34:44.080 You did a great book
00:34:45.280 and a documentary
00:34:46.660 on Michelle Obama.
00:34:49.000 You and I both
00:34:50.100 believed that there
00:34:51.420 was a high probability
00:34:52.540 that she, rather than
00:34:54.060 Kamala Harris, would
00:34:55.760 emerge as the
00:34:56.880 Democrat nominee
00:34:57.840 after they dumped
00:34:59.720 Joe Biden.
00:35:00.620 I still believe, based
00:35:02.400 on the 10 days
00:35:04.480 between Biden
00:35:06.220 dropping out and
00:35:07.540 declaring his support
00:35:08.640 for Kamala
00:35:09.640 Obama and the
00:35:10.980 Obama's finally
00:35:11.980 endorsing Kamala Harris,
00:35:13.580 that there was a
00:35:14.460 backstage effort
00:35:15.480 to try to get
00:35:17.060 Michelle Obama,
00:35:18.640 who in my opinion
00:35:19.220 would have been a
00:35:19.700 much stronger
00:35:20.280 candidate, to run.
00:35:22.200 The only reason we
00:35:23.280 both turned out to be
00:35:24.100 wrong is because it
00:35:25.100 fell on deaf ears
00:35:26.900 that they could not
00:35:27.980 persuade her to do so.
00:35:29.860 What do you think?
00:35:30.580 I think that
00:35:32.160 clearly Michelle Obama
00:35:35.020 was, and still is,
00:35:36.460 the most beloved
00:35:37.160 Democrat.
00:35:38.080 She's got 100 million
00:35:39.140 social media followers.
00:35:40.520 People just love her.
00:35:42.400 And I think
00:35:43.120 we were right
00:35:44.560 when we said
00:35:45.120 the Democrats
00:35:45.580 would dump Biden.
00:35:47.320 And there was going
00:35:48.360 to be a convention
00:35:50.280 four weeks later
00:35:51.260 in Michelle's
00:35:51.800 hometown of Chicago.
00:35:53.940 But I think
00:35:55.060 a very bitter
00:35:55.760 Joe Biden,
00:35:56.820 30 minutes after
00:35:57.760 he was pushed aside,
00:35:58.960 sent out a tweet
00:35:59.640 endorsing Kamala Harris.
00:36:01.700 Hillary and others
00:36:02.440 jumped on board.
00:36:03.840 And the Obamas
00:36:04.320 tried to hold out
00:36:05.120 for about 10 days
00:36:05.940 and said,
00:36:06.320 no, no, no,
00:36:06.660 we want an open
00:36:07.600 convention in Chicago
00:36:08.680 because I think
00:36:09.380 the intent was
00:36:10.120 to get Michelle in there.
00:36:11.520 She loves politics.
00:36:12.700 She's a better
00:36:13.280 politician than Barack.
00:36:14.620 She's a better
00:36:15.080 speaker than Barack.
00:36:16.160 Her father was a
00:36:16.880 politician.
00:36:17.340 And I think
00:36:19.140 we need to keep
00:36:19.780 our eye on her
00:36:20.620 for 2028
00:36:21.520 because she is
00:36:22.660 definitely the most
00:36:23.720 popular,
00:36:24.320 beloved Democrat.
00:36:25.860 Anything she does,
00:36:27.180 she gets tons
00:36:27.900 of attention.
00:36:28.620 She just started
00:36:29.240 a new podcast.
00:36:30.000 Even though it's
00:36:31.200 incredibly boring
00:36:32.160 with her brother,
00:36:33.720 she still commands
00:36:34.560 a tremendous amount
00:36:35.420 of attention.
00:36:36.100 So I think
00:36:36.920 we were right
00:36:37.540 when we predicted
00:36:38.620 Biden would be
00:36:39.380 knocked out.
00:36:40.520 And I think
00:36:41.700 there was a little
00:36:42.880 bit of an out
00:36:43.600 maneuvering that went
00:36:44.560 on that prevented
00:36:46.280 Michelle from getting
00:36:47.060 the nomination,
00:36:47.720 but I definitely
00:36:48.780 would keep my eye
00:36:49.440 on her for 2028.
00:36:50.920 Yeah, it's also
00:36:51.840 true that House
00:36:54.040 Speaker Nancy Pelosi
00:36:55.600 was maneuvering
00:36:58.740 furiously for an
00:37:00.440 open convention.
00:37:01.660 I'd point out that
00:37:02.660 most people don't
00:37:03.380 realize that 70%
00:37:04.700 of the delegates
00:37:05.600 to that convention
00:37:06.460 were people of color,
00:37:08.120 either African-Americans
00:37:09.120 or Hispanics,
00:37:10.120 and that three
00:37:11.160 major union leaders
00:37:13.140 controlled two-thirds
00:37:14.960 of the delegates
00:37:16.060 to the convention.
00:37:16.940 So the convention
00:37:18.000 was not an accurate
00:37:19.340 reflection of the
00:37:20.340 makeup of America.
00:37:22.100 All that had to happen
00:37:23.240 is any one delegate
00:37:24.540 could have stood up
00:37:25.360 and said,
00:37:26.280 I nominate
00:37:26.900 Michelle Obama
00:37:28.100 for president.
00:37:29.060 Once it was seconded,
00:37:30.460 I think that motion
00:37:31.580 would have carried
00:37:32.360 and we would not
00:37:33.340 have been subjected
00:37:34.040 to the disastrous
00:37:35.320 candidacy of Kamala Harris.
00:37:37.960 All right,
00:37:38.220 unfortunately,
00:37:38.620 we have to leave
00:37:40.100 it right there.
00:37:40.640 I want to thank
00:37:40.960 my guest,
00:37:42.240 Joel Gilbert.
00:37:43.060 Joel, tell people
00:37:43.680 where they can find you
00:37:44.600 on social media.
00:37:46.640 Yeah, please go to
00:37:47.660 Joel S.
00:37:48.800 S isn't Sam,
00:37:49.760 Joel S. Gilbert
00:37:50.980 on Twitter.
00:37:52.180 I post a lot.
00:37:53.340 I link up to everybody.
00:37:54.440 You'll see my article
00:37:55.780 tomorrow on Gateway Pundit
00:37:57.460 on Letitia James,
00:37:59.000 the slumlord.
00:38:00.340 And let's keep
00:38:01.340 this story going
00:38:02.080 because there's
00:38:02.620 a lot more information
00:38:04.380 that's still going
00:38:05.000 to come out
00:38:05.420 about Letitia James.
00:38:06.560 We're calling it
00:38:07.160 the Letitia Files
00:38:08.180 and she's a very
00:38:09.820 corrupt politician
00:38:10.780 and I don't see
00:38:11.780 how she survives this.
00:38:13.280 Yeah,
00:38:13.840 some of my followers
00:38:14.660 are beginning calling her
00:38:15.680 Letitia James.
00:38:17.640 All right,
00:38:18.060 thank you for joining us,
00:38:19.500 Joel,
00:38:19.720 and thank you to our
00:38:20.500 many listeners
00:38:21.040 for tuning in today
00:38:23.840 to The Stone Zone
00:38:24.900 until we meet again.
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00:38:27.060 and Godspeed.
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