The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 04-24-25


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Summary

In this episode of The Stone Zone, host Alex Blumberg takes your questions and answers them. Today's questions: 1. What would you like to see happen if Donald Trump were elected president in 2028? 2. Should Tulsi Gabbard become the first woman elected president? 3. Is it possible for Trump to run for re-election?


Transcript

00:00:00.200 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.440 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.
00:00:11.540 This just in, U.S. tariff revenues have risen 60% to $15 billion in April, a new all-time high,
00:00:21.320 yet inflation remains stable and relatively low,
00:00:25.140 proving that President Trump's basic economic theory is correct.
00:00:30.600 The only one who seems to think that inflation is a danger is Jerome Powell.
00:00:35.500 Today in the Stone Zone, we're going to be taking your questions.
00:00:38.460 You can go to stone at stonezone.com, stone at stonezone.com to email me your questions.
00:00:45.960 I've been thinking a lot about the meaning of life recently.
00:00:50.200 Listen to the words of my mentor, one Richard Milhouse Nixon.
00:00:56.260 The unhappiest people of the world are those in the watering places, the international watering places,
00:01:05.320 like the south coast of France and Newport and Palm Springs and Palm Beach,
00:01:14.020 going to parties every night, playing golf every afternoon, then bridge, drinking too much,
00:01:23.640 talking too much, thinking too little, retired, no purpose.
00:01:30.200 And so, well, I know there are those who totally would disagree with this and say,
00:01:38.780 gee, boy, if I could just be a millionaire, that would be the most wonderful thing.
00:01:45.100 If I could just not have to work every day,
00:01:48.820 if I could just be out fishing or hunting or playing golf or traveling,
00:01:54.520 that would be the most wonderful life in the world.
00:01:57.720 They don't know life.
00:01:58.620 Because what makes life mean something is purpose, a goal, the battle, the struggle,
00:02:09.660 even if you don't win it.
00:02:13.900 I could not agree more.
00:02:16.600 We're taking your questions tonight.
00:02:19.920 You can go to stone at stonezone.com right now and email me your questions.
00:02:24.880 Let's jump right in.
00:02:26.140 Lena in Austin, Texas, says,
00:02:29.640 I saw you recently on the Alex Jones show and you said you thought that Tulsi Gabbard would be the first woman president.
00:02:37.140 What is it you see in Gabbard?
00:02:39.600 Well, I did say that and I do believe it.
00:02:42.880 I didn't necessarily say that she would be president in 2028,
00:02:47.600 although that is certainly a possibility.
00:02:49.900 But she's only 43 years old.
00:02:52.960 She recently celebrated her birthday.
00:02:55.360 I must tell you that I think she is charismatic.
00:02:58.960 She is dynamic.
00:03:00.260 She is surefooted.
00:03:02.040 She is extraordinarily principled.
00:03:04.880 I would note that during her confirmation hearings,
00:03:09.160 certain senators wanted her to recant public statements she had made in the past,
00:03:15.420 and she steadfastly refused to do that.
00:03:18.840 I actually think she is potentially the most impressive political horseflesh I've seen.
00:03:26.180 Remember, I'm a veteran of 14 national presidential campaigns.
00:03:30.180 Well, since Ronald Reagan.
00:03:32.620 Keep an eye on Tulsi Gabbard.
00:03:36.120 Let's see.
00:03:37.180 Jasper in San Diego, California, asks,
00:03:40.300 I saw Steve Bannon say that Trump would be the Republican nominee in 2028.
00:03:45.740 I also saw where you disagreed with that.
00:03:48.800 So can Trump run again in 2028?
00:03:52.180 Well, look, I give Steve Bannon credit as a troller,
00:03:56.000 because that's what I think he's doing.
00:03:57.900 As even Bill Maher, who I'm not a big fan, pointed out,
00:04:02.800 the U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits any person
00:04:07.840 from being elected to more than two four-year terms.
00:04:12.680 In fact, it goes a little further,
00:04:14.400 and it says that if any person fills the balance
00:04:17.940 more than three years of an unexpired term of a president before them,
00:04:24.200 such as, say, LBJ followed JFK after his assassination,
00:04:29.240 they would be ineligible to run.
00:04:32.320 So Bannon's answer when asked about how he would get around the Constitution was,
00:04:38.220 well, we have a team working on it.
00:04:40.600 I don't think there is a way.
00:04:41.860 Now, I have seen a political theory
00:04:44.560 that the Republican Party could nominate Vice President J.D. Vance
00:04:49.360 for president and Donald Trump for vice president.
00:04:53.900 Then, upon election, J.D. Vance could resign,
00:04:58.900 under which scenario Trump would become president.
00:05:02.200 Then Trump could appoint J.D. Vance vice president,
00:05:07.240 subject to the confirmation of the U.S. Senate.
00:05:11.820 But it's pretty far-fetched.
00:05:15.120 Is it technically possible?
00:05:16.880 It's technically possible.
00:05:18.080 But I ask this.
00:05:19.520 Does anyone actually believe
00:05:21.500 that if J.D. Vance gets elected president in his own right,
00:05:25.480 that he would be anxious to step down?
00:05:27.940 So while I love the Trump 2028 hats,
00:05:32.060 they're evidently on the president's door,
00:05:33.980 and I saw a great picture on X of Eric Trump wearing one,
00:05:38.460 and I would love to see yet another Trump term.
00:05:42.160 I think it is unlikely.
00:05:45.800 Here's another question from Ronan in Seattle, Washington.
00:05:51.120 Ronan writes,
00:05:52.120 I was surprised to see that you advocated a pardon
00:05:57.600 for Marcus Garvey,
00:06:00.480 who was an early civil rights leader.
00:06:03.400 Seems very unlikely.
00:06:05.160 No, actually, I was in the Strand bookstore
00:06:09.380 in the village in New York City.
00:06:13.200 I was in the basement where some of the older books are,
00:06:16.540 and in one dusty corner,
00:06:17.980 I found a biography of Marcus Garvey.
00:06:21.300 Now, Marcus Garvey was a pioneering Jamaican political leader,
00:06:26.060 publisher, orator,
00:06:27.660 who championed black pride and economic independence,
00:06:31.160 as well as capitalism in the early 20th century.
00:06:35.380 He was the founder of the Universal Negro Improvement Association.
00:06:40.900 Marcus Garvey inspired millions through his advocacy for pan-Africanism,
00:06:46.380 and he preached self-reliance, free enterprise,
00:06:51.160 self-improvement, and unity for black people.
00:06:54.780 I believe that he was such a threat
00:06:58.280 to the white power structure of the 20s
00:07:02.260 that the FBI, under their first director, J. Edgar Hoover,
00:07:07.940 who held that position all the way into the 70s,
00:07:11.080 framed Marcus Garvey for tax evasion.
00:07:14.300 I think he was a great man.
00:07:16.660 I began advocating for a pardon for him in 2017,
00:07:21.900 right after President Donald Trump took office.
00:07:24.340 I wrote him a letter outlining the reasons
00:07:26.900 why I thought Garvey deserved a posthumous pardon.
00:07:30.600 In the end, I was happy to see that Marcus Garvey
00:07:33.980 was given a posthumous pardon,
00:07:37.200 even if it was by Joe Biden.
00:07:40.480 Thank you so much for your question.
00:07:43.180 Here is yet another, let's see.
00:07:45.700 Mira from Miami, Florida, asks,
00:07:49.620 Now that you've seen the documents released by the Trump administration
00:07:54.800 surrounding the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Sr.,
00:08:00.260 are you satisfied with the conclusion
00:08:03.120 that he was killed by the Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan?
00:08:07.980 No.
00:08:08.640 I actually think that the documents that we have seen
00:08:11.840 are woefully incomplete,
00:08:13.920 and I see the same kind of problems
00:08:16.440 that I saw in the conclusions
00:08:18.540 regarding the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
00:08:23.020 Sirhan Sirhan was always in front of Senator Kennedy.
00:08:27.560 He shot eight shots,
00:08:28.480 all of them accounted for.
00:08:31.080 He was shooting wildly.
00:08:33.320 None of those shots hit Senator Kennedy.
00:08:36.700 Now, Thomas Noguchi,
00:08:40.040 who was the Los Angeles County coroner,
00:08:43.720 one of the most famous coroners in the country,
00:08:46.680 says in his autopsy report
00:08:48.740 that Senator Robert Kennedy died of a gunshot wound
00:08:53.180 to the rear of his skull at point-blank range,
00:08:57.620 meaning he was shot by someone behind him.
00:09:00.640 I believe that that murderer is Thane Eugene Cesar.
00:09:07.500 He was a Filipino who was hired as a security guard
00:09:12.080 by the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles
00:09:14.000 the week before RFK was killed,
00:09:17.540 and who almost immediately after the murder
00:09:20.180 quit his job and moved back to the Philippines.
00:09:24.140 So once again, I don't believe the narrative
00:09:27.200 that we have been presented.
00:09:29.160 By the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. agrees
00:09:31.680 with everything I just said.
00:09:33.800 There was a great interview
00:09:35.500 between Mike Tyson and RFK Jr.
00:09:39.680 in which he reached that same conclusion.
00:09:42.340 I would urge you to go see it on YouTube,
00:09:46.200 except for YouTube took it down.
00:09:49.440 Here is a question from Nia
00:09:51.700 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
00:09:54.160 Let's see.
00:09:54.760 Nia says,
00:09:55.560 I think that President Donald Trump's visage
00:09:59.720 should be on Mount Rushmore.
00:10:02.100 Is this actually possible?
00:10:04.420 Well, it would take an act of Congress
00:10:06.520 and a signature by the President of the United States.
00:10:10.000 Now, if both houses of Congress
00:10:12.180 passed a law requiring that Trump's face
00:10:16.400 be chiseled into the side of Mount Rushmore,
00:10:19.480 I'm quite confident that President Trump
00:10:21.460 would sign it.
00:10:22.500 I spoke to a man this morning in South Dakota,
00:10:26.160 Daniel Smith,
00:10:27.780 who told me he is launching a
00:10:29.240 One More for Rushmore campaign.
00:10:31.780 He's going to be posting an online petition
00:10:34.020 to collect the signatures
00:10:35.560 of those who agree
00:10:37.520 that Donald Trump should be
00:10:38.840 on Mount Rushmore.
00:10:40.140 And I'd also point out that
00:10:41.300 Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna
00:10:44.480 has sponsored legislation
00:10:47.880 that would make it legal
00:10:52.260 and direct the Interior Department
00:10:55.000 to put Donald Trump on Mount Rushmore.
00:10:57.820 When they get that petition up,
00:10:59.420 I will be the first to sign it.
00:11:02.980 Here's a question from Zara
00:11:05.640 in Salt Lake City.
00:11:07.500 Zara says,
00:11:09.000 you knew Richard Nixon.
00:11:10.720 Tell us something about Nixon
00:11:11.720 we don't know.
00:11:12.480 Well, let's see.
00:11:14.640 Richard Nixon could play the violin,
00:11:18.380 the piano,
00:11:19.880 the saxophone,
00:11:21.500 the accordion,
00:11:22.880 and the clarinet.
00:11:25.040 He was proficient in all of them,
00:11:27.380 yet he could not read music.
00:11:31.120 He was completely self-taught.
00:11:34.960 Let's see.
00:11:36.000 We have Theo in Columbus, Ohio.
00:11:38.680 By the way,
00:11:39.020 you can send your questions to me
00:11:40.500 at Stone at StoneZone.com.
00:11:43.700 We're going to be answering your questions
00:11:45.380 for the balance of the show tonight.
00:11:48.980 Here's the question from Theo
00:11:51.360 in Columbus, Ohio.
00:11:52.420 He says,
00:11:53.180 what piece of advice
00:11:54.800 were you given
00:11:56.120 that you have taken to heart
00:11:58.100 and you follow every day?
00:12:00.520 Well, let's see.
00:12:01.360 Joe Bruno
00:12:03.140 was the president
00:12:05.380 of the New York State Senate.
00:12:07.740 He was a very great man.
00:12:09.820 He was indicted
00:12:11.280 on completely fraudulent,
00:12:13.840 I think,
00:12:14.240 politically motivated charges,
00:12:16.200 but his conviction
00:12:17.540 was vacated
00:12:18.660 by the Supreme Court
00:12:19.760 that said that the law
00:12:21.160 he was charged
00:12:23.380 and convicted under
00:12:24.260 was unconstitutional.
00:12:25.360 Then the Justice Department
00:12:27.840 took the unusual step
00:12:30.700 of re-indicting him
00:12:32.360 and when he went to trial
00:12:33.800 the second time,
00:12:35.460 well, he was acquitted.
00:12:37.760 He told me,
00:12:39.580 as a young man,
00:12:41.220 that no matter how you felt
00:12:42.840 on any given day,
00:12:44.560 it was vitally important
00:12:45.900 that you do 100 push-ups,
00:12:48.620 100 sit-ups or crunches,
00:12:51.120 and 100 squats
00:12:54.540 no matter what
00:12:55.680 and that that would work
00:12:56.960 all body parts
00:12:58.320 and to this day,
00:13:00.340 I have followed that regimen.
00:13:01.740 Now, you don't have to do
00:13:02.720 100 contiguous push-ups.
00:13:05.500 You could do them
00:13:06.140 in four sets of 25
00:13:07.880 or five sets of 20,
00:13:10.540 but that will keep you
00:13:12.480 relatively fit.
00:13:13.740 If you watch your diet
00:13:15.900 and drink sparingly
00:13:17.620 on top of it,
00:13:18.900 I think you will remain
00:13:20.580 healthy.
00:13:22.000 That advice from
00:13:23.500 former Senate Majority Leader,
00:13:25.940 pardon, Majority Leader,
00:13:27.300 Joe Bruno of the Albany area
00:13:29.400 in upstate New York,
00:13:30.400 a very great man
00:13:31.780 who, like me,
00:13:33.440 was the target
00:13:34.440 of a weaponized judiciary,
00:13:36.600 but who survived it,
00:13:38.300 who rose above it,
00:13:39.780 and went on to serve
00:13:41.300 his community.
00:13:42.200 I believe that Joe Bruno Stadium
00:13:44.580 is still in upstate New York.
00:13:46.840 An excellent piece of advice
00:13:48.400 from a true statesman.
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00:15:25.580 Entertaining and informative.
00:15:27.720 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:15:30.400 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:15:33.440 Tonight, we're taking your questions.
00:15:35.740 You can email them to me
00:15:36.820 at stoneatstonezone.com.
00:15:39.620 That's stoneatstonezone.com.
00:15:42.140 We're going to try to jam in
00:15:44.240 as many of your questions
00:15:45.620 as we possibly can.
00:15:47.500 Here is a question from Jake
00:15:49.240 in Boca Raton Flora.
00:15:51.300 Jake says,
00:15:52.660 you're always talking on the air
00:15:54.300 about San Marzano tomatoes.
00:15:56.700 What is so special about them?
00:15:59.120 And are you getting a cut?
00:16:00.980 That's pretty funny.
00:16:02.340 San Marzano tomatoes,
00:16:04.180 that's not a brand of tomato.
00:16:05.900 That is a style of tomato
00:16:08.240 that is grown in a very specific region,
00:16:11.900 actually a valley in Italy.
00:16:14.200 They are the finest plum tomatoes
00:16:16.700 that one can procure.
00:16:19.080 And it doesn't matter
00:16:20.000 whether you're making
00:16:20.580 a basic marinara sauce
00:16:22.120 or whether you're making a bolognese
00:16:24.020 or whether you're making sauce
00:16:25.840 to put on top of a pizza.
00:16:28.100 San Marzano tomatoes
00:16:29.360 are absolutely crucial.
00:16:31.540 Now, you have to be very, very careful
00:16:33.240 when you look at the label
00:16:34.860 because they're sold
00:16:35.760 by a number of different companies,
00:16:37.940 several reputable importers.
00:16:40.880 If it says on the label,
00:16:43.360 San Marzano style tomatoes,
00:16:47.140 well, that's a fugazi.
00:16:48.700 That's a fraud.
00:16:49.880 You want the real thing,
00:16:51.500 only San Marzano tomatoes will do.
00:16:54.700 So for all your cooking,
00:16:56.560 I recommend them.
00:16:57.800 I swear by them.
00:16:59.640 On my Sunday show,
00:17:01.360 I usually go through
00:17:02.640 some of my mother's,
00:17:04.580 therefore my grandmother's,
00:17:05.760 favorite recipes.
00:17:07.540 And when I go Italian,
00:17:09.380 those recipes always feature
00:17:11.820 San Marzano tomatoes.
00:17:14.320 Here is a final question.
00:17:17.440 Oren from New Orleans says,
00:17:19.220 who do you support
00:17:20.540 to be the next pope?
00:17:22.180 Well, I would prefer
00:17:23.800 either Cardinal Serra,
00:17:26.020 who is from Africa,
00:17:27.120 or Cardinal Erdo,
00:17:28.240 who is from Hungary.
00:17:30.140 They would both be considered
00:17:32.640 conservatives,
00:17:33.860 traditionalists.
00:17:35.260 I think that the immediate past pope
00:17:38.840 really lost me
00:17:41.020 when he agreed to let
00:17:43.220 the Chinese Communist Party
00:17:45.000 have a veto power
00:17:46.800 over who could be a bishop
00:17:48.820 in China.
00:17:51.140 I handicapped the race for pope
00:17:53.820 in yesterday's show,
00:17:55.040 probably going to be doing it again
00:17:56.360 this weekend.
00:17:57.740 Get your questions ready.
00:17:59.260 You can send them to me now
00:18:00.620 at Stone at StoneZone.com.
00:18:03.540 We'll pick you up
00:18:04.420 on the other side
00:18:05.220 and answer more of your questions.
00:18:07.220 Whatever you do,
00:18:07.920 don't touch that dial
00:18:08.880 because we'll be right back.
00:18:11.260 The Stone Zone
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00:18:25.620 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:18:27.520 And we're back
00:18:29.460 in the Stone Zone
00:18:30.780 and I'm taking your questions.
00:18:32.400 You can send them to me
00:18:33.320 at Stone
00:18:33.900 at StoneZone.com.
00:18:36.520 I'll take questions
00:18:37.360 about politics,
00:18:38.680 news,
00:18:39.160 history,
00:18:39.740 style,
00:18:40.320 culture,
00:18:41.120 food.
00:18:41.580 It's up to you.
00:18:42.600 But I am taking your questions.
00:18:44.720 Here's a question
00:18:45.460 from Mary
00:18:46.680 in Charleston,
00:18:47.840 South Carolina.
00:18:49.260 I saw online
00:18:51.140 that you disputed
00:18:53.240 the idea
00:18:53.520 that if Robert F.
00:18:55.780 Kennedy Sr.
00:18:58.240 had lived,
00:18:59.120 had not been assassinated,
00:19:00.860 that he would have
00:19:02.040 defeated Richard Nixon.
00:19:04.200 That is absolutely right.
00:19:06.180 The year was 1968.
00:19:08.100 There's two parts
00:19:08.740 to this answer.
00:19:09.760 First of all,
00:19:10.920 I do not acknowledge,
00:19:12.680 as many of those
00:19:13.620 in Camelot insist,
00:19:15.360 that RFK
00:19:16.360 would have been nominated.
00:19:17.580 Even though
00:19:18.960 he had
00:19:19.680 won the California primary
00:19:21.980 on the very day
00:19:23.720 that he was assassinated,
00:19:25.620 most of the delegates
00:19:26.760 to the 1968
00:19:27.920 Democrat convention
00:19:29.360 in Chicago
00:19:29.960 were not selected
00:19:31.400 in primaries
00:19:32.580 or caucuses,
00:19:33.840 and that convention
00:19:34.900 was in the firm control
00:19:36.720 of incumbent
00:19:38.060 Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:19:40.540 I actually believe
00:19:42.040 that Kennedy,
00:19:43.740 speaking to a student
00:19:45.120 audience,
00:19:45.760 pardon me,
00:19:46.560 a student audience
00:19:47.940 in California
00:19:49.280 days before
00:19:51.120 the California primary
00:19:52.380 when he was asked
00:19:53.880 if he would reopen
00:19:54.980 the investigation
00:19:55.980 into his brother's murder,
00:19:58.740 and he said yes,
00:20:00.460 probably sealed
00:20:01.940 his own fate.
00:20:03.720 Nonetheless,
00:20:04.600 if he had survived,
00:20:06.960 I do not believe
00:20:08.140 it would have been nominated.
00:20:09.520 I believe that
00:20:10.900 Mayor Richard J. Daley
00:20:12.420 of Chicago,
00:20:13.500 who had the largest
00:20:14.620 block of delegates
00:20:15.800 outside of New York
00:20:17.960 and California
00:20:19.540 at that time,
00:20:20.820 would have stuck
00:20:22.160 with LBJ
00:20:23.480 and therefore
00:20:24.360 supported
00:20:25.180 his ultimate choice,
00:20:27.500 Vice President
00:20:28.260 Hubert Humphrey,
00:20:29.880 who you may recall
00:20:31.340 entered no primaries.
00:20:33.580 So the primaries,
00:20:34.840 which were really
00:20:35.540 a contest
00:20:36.680 between
00:20:37.640 Senator Eugene McCarthy
00:20:39.960 of Minnesota,
00:20:41.060 who entered the race
00:20:42.400 because Bobby Kennedy
00:20:43.900 refused to challenge
00:20:45.060 Johnson.
00:20:45.520 Even though
00:20:46.500 he opposed
00:20:47.260 the war in Vietnam,
00:20:48.460 he would not
00:20:49.180 take the plunge,
00:20:50.660 and McCarthy
00:20:51.460 got tired of waiting,
00:20:52.620 so he forged ahead
00:20:54.320 as an anti-Vietnam
00:20:56.160 war candidate.
00:20:57.860 He did not win
00:20:59.040 the New Hampshire primary,
00:21:00.400 but he overperformed
00:21:02.000 there,
00:21:02.800 nicking LBJ,
00:21:05.060 causing LBJ
00:21:06.000 to drop out
00:21:07.420 of the convention,
00:21:08.320 after which
00:21:09.840 Robert Kennedy
00:21:11.440 jumped in,
00:21:12.920 which led to
00:21:14.080 many claims
00:21:15.320 that Kennedy
00:21:16.300 was an opportunist.
00:21:18.480 It is unclear
00:21:19.660 that he would
00:21:21.520 definitely have been
00:21:22.240 nominated.
00:21:22.820 Now let's go to
00:21:23.480 the general election.
00:21:25.780 In 1960,
00:21:28.040 John F. Kennedy
00:21:29.160 beat Vice President
00:21:30.660 Richard Nixon
00:21:31.640 by a whisker,
00:21:33.240 but in that election,
00:21:35.960 Kennedy carried
00:21:37.140 every single
00:21:38.580 southern state,
00:21:39.880 all of the deep
00:21:40.720 south states,
00:21:41.820 Louisiana,
00:21:42.820 Mississippi,
00:21:44.000 and Alabama.
00:21:47.660 By 1968,
00:21:49.480 Robert Kennedy,
00:21:50.480 the senator from New York,
00:21:51.940 could not have carried
00:21:52.960 any of those states,
00:21:54.960 and therefore,
00:21:55.740 I can tell you,
00:21:56.480 firstly,
00:21:57.660 Nixon longed
00:21:59.680 for a rematch
00:22:00.520 with the Kennedys,
00:22:01.620 and I believe
00:22:02.600 he would have
00:22:03.560 beaten Robert Kennedy
00:22:05.260 had he been the nominee.
00:22:06.640 Now that is
00:22:07.660 a particularly
00:22:08.280 difficult feat.
00:22:09.860 Most people
00:22:10.320 will not remember this,
00:22:11.320 but George Wallace,
00:22:12.740 the governor
00:22:13.260 of Alabama,
00:22:14.880 was running
00:22:15.480 as a third-party
00:22:17.060 candidate
00:22:17.440 and had managed
00:22:18.940 to get on the ballot
00:22:19.980 in virtually
00:22:20.680 every state.
00:22:22.580 So Nixon
00:22:23.860 had to run
00:22:24.820 between Wallace
00:22:26.220 to his right
00:22:27.080 and Humphrey
00:22:28.500 in the end
00:22:29.120 to his left,
00:22:30.560 and of course
00:22:31.200 he won that race
00:22:32.780 with a plurality
00:22:34.220 of the vote.
00:22:35.080 He almost
00:22:35.720 lost the race.
00:22:36.900 He made
00:22:37.260 what is normally
00:22:38.520 an enormous mistake
00:22:40.320 in politics
00:22:41.320 and sports.
00:22:42.360 He tried to sit
00:22:43.280 on the lead,
00:22:44.680 and look,
00:22:46.040 the only thing
00:22:46.440 worse in politics
00:22:47.380 than being wrong
00:22:48.300 is being boring,
00:22:50.900 but by taking
00:22:51.960 no risks,
00:22:52.640 he also made
00:22:53.860 no news.
00:22:55.440 The kind of
00:22:56.600 late-breaking news
00:22:57.980 was a late surge
00:23:00.100 by Humphrey.
00:23:01.500 A lot of the
00:23:02.420 anti-war Democrats,
00:23:04.600 anti-Vietnam War Democrats,
00:23:06.400 who had initially,
00:23:08.140 after the Democratic
00:23:09.000 Convention,
00:23:09.920 refused to endorse
00:23:11.200 Humphrey,
00:23:12.220 came around
00:23:13.500 because they
00:23:14.180 so disliked
00:23:15.320 the specter
00:23:15.840 of Richard Nixon
00:23:16.460 being president.
00:23:17.760 Humphrey had
00:23:18.660 a late surge,
00:23:20.300 and he actually
00:23:21.360 almost won
00:23:22.700 that race.
00:23:24.060 It is interesting
00:23:25.060 that when
00:23:25.760 Nixon
00:23:26.360 and the vanquished
00:23:27.660 Humphrey met
00:23:28.520 privately
00:23:29.720 after the election
00:23:31.640 that Humphrey
00:23:33.260 broke down
00:23:33.840 in tears,
00:23:34.960 actually crying
00:23:36.660 into Nixon's
00:23:37.800 shoulder.
00:23:38.960 And Nixon,
00:23:39.900 obviously,
00:23:40.440 who had lost
00:23:40.960 a very tough race
00:23:42.240 to John F. Kennedy,
00:23:43.620 told Hubert Humphrey
00:23:44.520 he knew exactly
00:23:45.840 how he felt.
00:23:48.080 Here is a question
00:23:49.200 from Catherine
00:23:50.000 in Minneapolis.
00:23:51.760 She has sent this
00:23:52.540 to stone
00:23:53.480 at stonezone.com.
00:23:56.200 Can you tell us
00:23:57.400 the name
00:23:57.960 of a Democrat
00:23:59.300 you admire?
00:24:00.800 I guess this is
00:24:01.500 a trick question.
00:24:03.180 Yes,
00:24:03.740 I am an admirer
00:24:05.460 of the late
00:24:06.920 Adam Clayton
00:24:08.220 Powell Jr.
00:24:09.900 He was the
00:24:11.120 pastor of the
00:24:11.900 Abyssinian Baptist
00:24:12.880 Church in Harlem,
00:24:14.340 New York.
00:24:15.080 He was also
00:24:15.860 an early civil
00:24:17.100 rights leader,
00:24:18.220 and he was a
00:24:19.080 member of Congress
00:24:20.160 from New York.
00:24:21.620 He rose to become
00:24:23.120 the chairman
00:24:25.180 of the Public Works
00:24:26.360 Committee,
00:24:26.660 which was a very
00:24:27.220 powerful position.
00:24:28.820 He was
00:24:30.080 very handsome.
00:24:31.940 He was very
00:24:32.720 well-dressed.
00:24:34.160 He infuriated
00:24:35.640 the segregationists
00:24:37.340 in the Congress
00:24:38.260 who thought
00:24:39.540 that he was
00:24:40.300 uppity.
00:24:41.420 He drove
00:24:42.160 this beautiful
00:24:43.060 powder blue
00:24:44.460 Jaguar
00:24:45.820 Mark 5
00:24:47.920 convertible,
00:24:48.800 which is a
00:24:49.220 gorgeous car.
00:24:50.440 He would drive
00:24:51.500 it right up
00:24:52.080 and park it
00:24:52.560 outside the
00:24:53.220 Capitol
00:24:53.580 to further
00:24:54.620 aggravate
00:24:55.600 the segregationists.
00:24:57.360 He was
00:24:57.820 an articulate
00:24:58.820 advocate for
00:25:01.060 civil rights
00:25:01.900 and for
00:25:02.740 his constituents.
00:25:04.080 He was a
00:25:04.800 very great
00:25:05.380 man.
00:25:06.120 Now,
00:25:06.260 he ultimately
00:25:06.920 was betrayed
00:25:09.380 by one of
00:25:11.100 his
00:25:11.360 protégés,
00:25:12.820 Charles
00:25:13.220 Rangel,
00:25:14.360 who once
00:25:15.920 Adam Clayton
00:25:17.260 Powell
00:25:17.700 was charged,
00:25:20.520 I believe,
00:25:21.400 in a
00:25:21.740 financial
00:25:22.500 scandal
00:25:23.200 in which
00:25:23.740 he was
00:25:25.140 taking
00:25:25.400 kickbacks
00:25:25.940 from a
00:25:26.700 woman on
00:25:27.320 the
00:25:27.460 congressional
00:25:27.860 payroll,
00:25:28.480 I believe.
00:25:28.980 I think
00:25:29.200 that's what
00:25:29.560 it was
00:25:29.780 about.
00:25:31.480 Powell
00:25:31.700 remained
00:25:32.360 very popular,
00:25:34.360 but he
00:25:34.880 split for
00:25:35.620 Bimini.
00:25:36.680 All the
00:25:37.240 tabloid
00:25:37.900 reporters went
00:25:38.780 with him.
00:25:39.980 Adam Powell
00:25:40.620 always had a
00:25:41.400 beautiful woman
00:25:42.140 on his
00:25:42.940 arm,
00:25:43.700 but Rangel
00:25:44.500 ultimately
00:25:45.120 defeated
00:25:45.840 Adam Clayton
00:25:46.580 Powell,
00:25:47.180 ending his
00:25:48.140 congressional
00:25:48.840 career.
00:25:50.840 I was a
00:25:51.200 great admirer
00:25:52.180 of the
00:25:52.660 early civil
00:25:53.620 rights leader,
00:25:54.640 Adam Clayton
00:25:55.720 Powell.
00:25:56.780 So there
00:25:57.360 is a
00:25:57.660 Democrat
00:25:57.960 that I
00:25:58.640 did
00:25:59.840 admire.
00:26:01.200 Here's
00:26:01.760 yet another
00:26:02.380 question.
00:26:02.780 Once again,
00:26:03.260 you can send
00:26:03.640 your questions
00:26:04.140 to me at
00:26:04.760 stonezone.com.
00:26:08.700 Here is a
00:26:09.680 question from
00:26:10.520 George in
00:26:11.340 Nashville.
00:26:12.920 He says
00:26:13.760 Donald Trump
00:26:15.300 talked about
00:26:16.160 running in
00:26:16.600 1988,
00:26:18.000 2000,
00:26:19.280 2012,
00:26:20.800 and he
00:26:21.820 finally ran
00:26:22.500 in 2016.
00:26:24.200 At what
00:26:24.800 point did
00:26:25.480 you realize
00:26:26.120 that he was
00:26:26.760 really going
00:26:27.400 to run?
00:26:28.540 Well,
00:26:29.120 in all
00:26:29.660 honesty,
00:26:30.460 the idea
00:26:31.020 of a
00:26:31.640 Trump
00:26:31.900 candidacy
00:26:32.420 in 1988
00:26:33.460 was mine.
00:26:35.160 I think
00:26:35.740 the president
00:26:36.200 has said
00:26:36.660 that in a
00:26:37.500 number of
00:26:37.900 interviews.
00:26:38.780 He was not
00:26:39.360 really all
00:26:40.020 that interested.
00:26:40.660 He still
00:26:41.800 had many
00:26:42.500 real estate
00:26:43.740 mountains to
00:26:44.600 climb.
00:26:45.560 He was a
00:26:46.180 good friend
00:26:46.720 of the
00:26:47.060 Texas
00:26:47.440 billionaire
00:26:48.180 Ross Perot,
00:26:49.540 who had
00:26:50.200 run as
00:26:51.060 a third
00:26:51.720 party
00:26:52.000 candidate,
00:26:52.660 the Reform
00:26:53.360 Party
00:26:53.640 candidate,
00:26:54.520 in 1992
00:26:55.960 and 1996.
00:26:57.720 And by
00:26:58.440 2000,
00:26:59.740 Ross Perot
00:27:00.540 and Jesse
00:27:02.100 Ventura,
00:27:03.160 the former
00:27:03.820 professional
00:27:04.700 wrestler who
00:27:05.520 had been
00:27:05.900 elected
00:27:06.380 governor of
00:27:08.120 Minnesota
00:27:08.680 on the
00:27:09.840 Reform Party
00:27:10.460 ticket,
00:27:11.220 both urged
00:27:12.180 Trump to
00:27:13.020 run.
00:27:14.140 When Donald
00:27:15.160 Trump found
00:27:15.840 out that
00:27:16.880 under the
00:27:17.620 campaign
00:27:18.080 finance laws
00:27:19.240 of 2000,
00:27:21.980 the nominee
00:27:22.800 of the
00:27:23.320 Reform Party
00:27:24.060 after their
00:27:25.100 national convention
00:27:26.160 would get a
00:27:27.540 check for
00:27:28.060 $38 million
00:27:29.720 from the
00:27:30.680 public treasury.
00:27:31.900 In other
00:27:32.260 words,
00:27:32.900 Donald Trump
00:27:33.500 could run
00:27:34.220 for president
00:27:34.860 on OPM,
00:27:37.300 other people's
00:27:38.180 money.
00:27:38.920 He did
00:27:39.360 take a
00:27:40.080 serious look
00:27:41.100 at it.
00:27:41.820 He made
00:27:42.380 exploratory
00:27:43.300 trips to
00:27:44.080 New Hampshire,
00:27:45.260 to Los Angeles,
00:27:47.060 to Miami.
00:27:48.200 He went to
00:27:48.540 the Holocaust
00:27:49.000 Museum in
00:27:50.000 L.A.
00:27:50.480 He went to
00:27:51.520 the Bay of
00:27:52.660 Pigs Veterans
00:27:53.680 Museum in
00:27:54.660 Miami,
00:27:55.500 and he made
00:27:56.440 a trip to
00:27:57.180 New Hampshire.
00:27:57.840 In the end,
00:27:59.000 Donald Trump
00:27:59.680 correctly determined
00:28:00.960 that one
00:28:01.940 could not be
00:28:03.160 elected as
00:28:04.100 a third
00:28:04.860 party or
00:28:05.700 independent
00:28:06.240 candidate that
00:28:07.280 one had to
00:28:08.260 run as
00:28:08.960 either a
00:28:09.960 Republican or
00:28:11.200 a Democrat.
00:28:12.380 Interestingly,
00:28:13.540 in order to
00:28:14.980 consider the
00:28:16.520 Reform Party
00:28:17.140 nomination in
00:28:17.960 2000,
00:28:19.140 Donald Trump
00:28:19.580 had to
00:28:20.000 change his
00:28:20.700 registration in
00:28:21.740 New York
00:28:22.040 State from
00:28:23.060 the Republican
00:28:23.860 Party, where
00:28:24.440 he had always
00:28:25.160 been registered,
00:28:26.320 to the
00:28:27.040 Independence
00:28:27.700 Party, not
00:28:29.160 Independence,
00:28:30.040 but Independence
00:28:30.940 Party, which
00:28:31.900 was the
00:28:32.400 affiliate of
00:28:33.440 the Reform
00:28:34.220 Party.
00:28:35.620 He ultimately
00:28:36.780 decided not
00:28:37.680 to run.
00:28:38.280 What's
00:28:38.500 interesting is
00:28:39.420 in the
00:28:40.280 Reform Party
00:28:41.300 primaries that
00:28:42.880 took place
00:28:43.680 almost a month
00:28:44.920 after he
00:28:45.440 announced that
00:28:45.920 he would not
00:28:46.420 be a candidate,
00:28:47.720 Donald Trump
00:28:48.340 won the
00:28:48.880 Reform Party
00:28:49.540 primaries in
00:28:50.680 both California
00:28:51.580 and Michigan,
00:28:53.000 which showed
00:28:54.000 me very early
00:28:55.240 his potential
00:28:56.520 appeal as a
00:28:58.760 candidate.
00:28:59.120 It was
00:29:00.980 clear to me
00:29:01.520 that in
00:29:01.880 2012 that
00:29:04.160 he was
00:29:05.240 serious, but
00:29:06.000 I think he
00:29:06.940 decided that he
00:29:08.060 was interested
00:29:08.600 too late, and
00:29:09.980 the truth is
00:29:10.740 that Mitt
00:29:11.640 Romney had
00:29:12.660 unfortunately
00:29:13.280 locked up the
00:29:15.160 Republican
00:29:15.920 nomination.
00:29:17.420 Trump endorsed
00:29:18.120 him and then
00:29:18.580 almost immediately
00:29:19.460 had buyer's
00:29:21.560 remorse.
00:29:22.180 After every
00:29:22.740 debate, he
00:29:23.700 would call me
00:29:24.500 virtually yelling,
00:29:26.080 what's wrong
00:29:26.620 with this guy?
00:29:27.680 He has no
00:29:28.380 instinct for
00:29:29.240 the juggler.
00:29:30.220 He's smelling
00:29:30.720 more and more
00:29:31.700 like a loser.
00:29:33.080 When did I
00:29:33.560 know that Trump
00:29:34.120 would actually
00:29:34.640 run?
00:29:34.960 I can tell you
00:29:35.420 exactly when it
00:29:36.200 was.
00:29:36.980 It was January
00:29:38.460 1st of 2013.
00:29:41.960 It was New
00:29:42.440 Year's Day, and
00:29:43.900 as was my
00:29:44.740 custom, I
00:29:45.420 called him at
00:29:46.620 his palatial
00:29:47.900 retreat at
00:29:49.300 Mar-a-Lago in
00:29:50.020 Palm Beach, and
00:29:51.660 we were just
00:29:52.200 talking, and he
00:29:52.800 said, you know,
00:29:53.740 I should have
00:29:54.300 run.
00:29:54.900 I really think
00:29:55.520 I could have
00:29:55.960 beaten Obama.
00:29:57.520 I'm definitely
00:29:58.320 going to run
00:29:59.060 next time,
00:30:00.060 meaning 2016.
00:30:01.420 And I said,
00:30:02.500 well, I hope
00:30:04.200 you will, but
00:30:05.940 I've heard this
00:30:06.480 before, and he
00:30:07.260 said, no,
00:30:07.720 actually, I
00:30:09.000 have already
00:30:09.600 applied to the
00:30:10.700 Patent and
00:30:11.380 Trademark Office
00:30:12.400 to trademark
00:30:13.600 the phrase,
00:30:15.080 make America
00:30:16.220 great again, and
00:30:17.860 there you have
00:30:18.580 it.
00:30:19.220 Now, it is
00:30:20.320 true that at
00:30:21.020 that White
00:30:21.540 House
00:30:21.820 correspondence
00:30:22.840 dinner where
00:30:23.820 he was
00:30:24.200 ridiculed by
00:30:25.940 Barack Obama,
00:30:27.500 I could see
00:30:28.460 he was smiling,
00:30:29.260 but I saw
00:30:29.740 the clench of
00:30:31.000 his jaw.
00:30:31.980 I think all
00:30:32.500 that did was
00:30:33.420 to confirm
00:30:35.020 his resolve to
00:30:36.980 score the
00:30:37.720 greatest political
00:30:38.840 upset in
00:30:39.640 American history
00:30:40.500 and become the
00:30:41.520 first president of
00:30:42.360 the United States
00:30:43.000 who was not a
00:30:43.620 governor, not a
00:30:44.740 senator, not a
00:30:45.780 congressman, not a
00:30:46.880 general, but a
00:30:48.000 business person.
00:30:49.640 So there you have
00:30:50.600 it, the Stone Cold
00:30:51.660 Truth, right here in
00:30:53.220 the Stone Zone.
00:30:53.900 We'll be right
00:30:54.920 back to take a
00:30:55.660 few more of
00:30:56.140 your questions.
00:30:56.820 Again, you can
00:30:57.720 email your
00:30:58.280 questions to me
00:30:59.120 at stone, at
00:31:00.420 stonezone.com.
00:31:02.840 Whatever you do,
00:31:03.620 don't go away
00:31:04.340 because we'll be
00:31:05.260 right back.
00:31:08.140 The Stone Zone
00:31:09.580 on the Red Apple
00:31:10.860 Podcast Network.
00:31:18.680 The Stone Zone,
00:31:20.620 entertaining and
00:31:21.880 informative on the
00:31:23.020 Red Apple Podcast
00:31:24.280 Network.
00:31:25.620 Back in the
00:31:26.500 Stone Zone, we've
00:31:27.420 got a little time
00:31:27.860 to take a few more
00:31:28.820 of your questions.
00:31:29.780 You can send your
00:31:30.380 questions to me at
00:31:31.460 stone, at stonezone.com,
00:31:33.960 stone, at stonezone.com.
00:31:36.980 Here is a question
00:31:38.240 from John in
00:31:40.840 Boston.
00:31:41.400 John says, do you
00:31:43.540 really expect us to
00:31:44.560 believe that Lyndon
00:31:45.700 Baines Johnson
00:31:46.560 orchestrated the
00:31:48.020 murder of John F.
00:31:49.060 Kennedy?
00:31:49.460 Not only do I
00:31:50.260 expect you to
00:31:51.180 believe it, I
00:31:51.960 absolutely believe
00:31:53.020 it is true.
00:31:54.500 I wrote a book
00:31:55.580 on this back in
00:31:56.920 2013, The Man
00:31:58.780 Who Killed
00:31:59.220 Kennedy, The Case
00:32:00.480 Against LBJ.
00:32:01.620 Now, I do not
00:32:02.640 say that Lyndon
00:32:03.380 Johnson did this
00:32:04.400 by himself.
00:32:05.660 I believe that he
00:32:06.740 orchestrated a
00:32:08.020 plot that
00:32:09.580 involved the
00:32:10.540 Central Intelligence
00:32:11.300 Agency.
00:32:12.440 Their motive was
00:32:13.660 what they thought
00:32:14.500 was John F.
00:32:15.120 Kennedy's bungling
00:32:16.580 of the Bay of
00:32:18.040 Pigs invasion and
00:32:19.320 the Cuban
00:32:20.780 Missile Crisis,
00:32:21.580 where the
00:32:22.580 Pentagon and
00:32:23.300 the intelligence
00:32:23.820 services knew
00:32:24.740 in real time
00:32:25.500 that John and
00:32:27.400 Robert Kennedy,
00:32:28.620 rather than
00:32:29.160 facing down
00:32:30.300 Nikita Khrushchev,
00:32:31.760 as the movie
00:32:32.900 13 Days would
00:32:34.240 have us believe,
00:32:35.100 made a secret
00:32:36.120 deal with the
00:32:37.860 Russian dictator
00:32:39.700 to remove our
00:32:41.580 NATO missiles from
00:32:42.660 Italy and
00:32:43.780 Turkey,
00:32:45.060 changing the
00:32:46.180 balance of power
00:32:47.480 in the European
00:32:49.100 theater.
00:32:49.640 Of course, that
00:32:50.420 was classified
00:32:51.300 information for
00:32:52.400 40 years.
00:32:53.760 Our ambassador
00:32:54.500 to Cuba, Earl
00:32:55.800 E.T.
00:32:56.480 Smith, knew that
00:32:58.140 the missiles had
00:32:58.880 never actually been
00:33:00.140 removed from that
00:33:01.960 island gulag.
00:33:03.860 So that explains
00:33:05.780 the motive of the
00:33:07.000 Central Intelligence
00:33:07.700 Agency.
00:33:08.280 And then, of
00:33:08.580 course, I also
00:33:09.540 believe there was
00:33:10.160 involvement by
00:33:11.180 organized crime.
00:33:13.020 Prior to the
00:33:14.780 1960 election,
00:33:16.060 Ambassador Joseph
00:33:17.400 Kennedy, who
00:33:18.580 was John
00:33:19.400 Kennedy's father,
00:33:21.120 known to many
00:33:22.040 our audience also
00:33:22.900 as a bootlegger
00:33:24.020 and a robber
00:33:26.660 baron of Wall
00:33:27.420 Street, the
00:33:28.700 partner of Frank
00:33:29.460 Costello,
00:33:30.180 controlling illegal
00:33:31.140 alcohol from
00:33:32.400 New York all the
00:33:33.260 way up to the
00:33:33.860 Canadian border
00:33:34.620 through New
00:33:35.380 England, met
00:33:36.860 with all the
00:33:37.660 heads of the
00:33:38.580 mob families in
00:33:39.680 Chicago, and in
00:33:41.440 return for a
00:33:42.540 pledge of $1
00:33:43.320 million, which
00:33:44.880 in late 1959
00:33:46.520 is an enormous
00:33:47.840 amount of
00:33:48.420 money, and a
00:33:49.760 pledge to twist
00:33:51.080 and maybe even
00:33:51.960 break arms for
00:33:53.680 JFK, first in
00:33:55.220 the West Virginia
00:33:56.480 primary, but
00:33:57.380 later in both
00:33:58.600 Illinois,
00:33:59.480 specifically in
00:34:00.260 Chicago, and
00:34:01.480 in Texas, a
00:34:03.540 deal was struck
00:34:04.380 that a Kennedy
00:34:06.320 Justice Department
00:34:07.480 would drop the
00:34:08.940 deportation
00:34:10.180 proceedings against
00:34:11.960 two of the most
00:34:12.760 prominent mobsters
00:34:14.100 of the day, Carlos
00:34:15.640 Marcello, who
00:34:17.380 controlled the mob
00:34:18.400 in Texas and
00:34:19.380 Louisiana, and
00:34:20.720 Santo Traficante, a
00:34:23.160 particularly vicious
00:34:24.320 gangster who
00:34:25.280 controlled the mob
00:34:27.660 in Florida.
00:34:29.620 Well, after the
00:34:31.100 election, Robert
00:34:32.180 Kennedy Sr.
00:34:33.320 became attorney
00:34:34.060 general, and his
00:34:36.560 father, Ambassador
00:34:37.520 Joseph Kennedy, was
00:34:39.420 felled by a
00:34:40.700 debilitating
00:34:41.260 stroke, losing
00:34:43.020 the capacity of
00:34:44.360 speech, and
00:34:44.920 therefore unable
00:34:46.360 to enforce the
00:34:47.560 deal he had
00:34:48.680 made with the
00:34:49.700 mafia.
00:34:50.600 This, I think,
00:34:51.680 explains the
00:34:52.780 involvement of the
00:34:54.240 mob in the
00:34:55.740 murder of
00:34:56.740 JFK.
00:34:59.040 Now, the other
00:35:00.360 huge player here is
00:35:01.300 Big Texas Oil.
00:35:02.620 They were upset
00:35:03.540 because John
00:35:04.320 Kennedy wanted to
00:35:05.100 repeal the oil
00:35:06.000 depletion allowance,
00:35:07.380 which would have
00:35:07.840 cost them hundreds of
00:35:09.300 millions of dollars
00:35:10.020 in new taxes, and
00:35:11.600 the banking
00:35:12.140 interests were
00:35:13.380 unhappy with John
00:35:14.960 Kennedy because he
00:35:15.760 was insisting on a
00:35:17.240 silver-backed
00:35:18.220 dollar, but it
00:35:19.320 was Lyndon Johnson
00:35:20.480 who had the most
00:35:21.340 immediate need.
00:35:23.660 He was under
00:35:24.420 investigation in
00:35:25.400 the Bobby Baker
00:35:26.680 investigation and
00:35:28.280 the Billy Sol Estes
00:35:29.860 investigation, two
00:35:30.920 of the biggest
00:35:32.000 corruption scandals
00:35:33.240 of the 1960s.
00:35:35.400 In fact, Attorney
00:35:36.500 General Robert
00:35:37.300 Kennedy, John
00:35:38.900 Kennedy's brother,
00:35:39.720 had already begun
00:35:40.520 telling people that
00:35:41.880 LBJ would be dropped
00:35:43.300 from the 1964 ticket
00:35:44.920 and he would be
00:35:47.740 sent to prison.
00:35:49.360 This is why it was
00:35:50.980 Johnson who insisted
00:35:52.180 that Kennedy go to
00:35:53.820 Dallas.
00:35:54.420 It is Johnson who
00:35:55.880 insisted that the
00:35:57.440 motorcade route,
00:35:58.500 which was going from
00:35:59.520 the Dallas-Fort
00:36:01.200 Worth airport, which
00:36:02.140 is outside the city
00:36:03.100 of Dallas, to the
00:36:04.200 merchandise mart,
00:36:05.160 which is also outside
00:36:06.320 the city of Dallas,
00:36:07.660 dipped into the city
00:36:09.520 proper, driving
00:36:10.800 through Dealey
00:36:11.700 Plaza, where the
00:36:13.380 motorcade violates
00:36:14.960 the Secret Service
00:36:16.280 protocols and is
00:36:17.780 allowed to come to a
00:36:19.100 full stop and a
00:36:20.740 stop sign.
00:36:22.120 There, I believe that
00:36:24.120 at least one of the
00:36:24.980 shooters was a man
00:36:25.800 named Malcolm
00:36:26.900 Mack Wallace, who
00:36:29.040 worked for, yes,
00:36:30.460 Lyndon Johnson.
00:36:32.040 We think this because
00:36:33.180 Wallace left his
00:36:34.340 fingerprints on the
00:36:35.520 sixth floor of the
00:36:36.980 Texas School Book
00:36:37.800 Depository Building,
00:36:39.400 both on the window
00:36:40.420 encasement and on the
00:36:42.240 cardboard boxes that
00:36:43.320 formed the so-called
00:36:44.320 crow's nest.
00:36:45.520 By the way, neither the
00:36:46.960 FBI nor the Dallas
00:36:48.240 police ever found a
00:36:49.840 complete fingerprint for
00:36:51.460 Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:36:52.680 They found what they
00:36:53.320 described as a
00:36:54.540 potential partial print,
00:36:56.580 but they found 38-point
00:36:59.300 fingerprints for Mack
00:37:01.700 Wallace.
00:37:02.160 Six different people
00:37:03.800 said that they saw a
00:37:05.900 man who met the
00:37:06.840 physical description of
00:37:09.040 Mack Wallace in the
00:37:11.180 window of medium build,
00:37:13.780 balding.
00:37:14.480 Every single one of them
00:37:15.360 said wearing spectacles.
00:37:17.340 Six witnesses, three of
00:37:18.540 them were prisoners at the
00:37:20.440 jail directly across
00:37:22.280 Dealey Plaza.
00:37:24.340 The other three saw
00:37:25.520 Malcolm Wallace from the
00:37:28.220 street.
00:37:28.520 A man named James Carr
00:37:31.180 told the Dallas police
00:37:33.820 that he saw a man who
00:37:35.580 met the physical
00:37:37.020 description of Malcolm
00:37:38.400 Mack Wallace running
00:37:40.240 out of the Texas
00:37:41.040 School Book Depository
00:37:42.320 building minutes after
00:37:45.100 the shooting of John
00:37:46.120 Kennedy, jump in a
00:37:47.620 Nash Rambler and be
00:37:49.060 driven away by a dark
00:37:51.580 complected man who was
00:37:53.060 either a Native American
00:37:54.620 or perhaps Hispanic.
00:37:55.520 Hispanic.
00:37:57.040 Now, what's interesting
00:37:58.780 is there were no less
00:37:59.840 than six attempts on
00:38:01.600 James Carr's life in the
00:38:03.000 years, at months and
00:38:04.380 years after he made this
00:38:06.220 report to the Dallas
00:38:07.600 police.
00:38:08.240 What's also interesting
00:38:09.500 is James Carr never
00:38:11.500 heard from the
00:38:12.400 Warring Commission
00:38:13.140 after making that
00:38:14.740 report.
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