The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

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00:00:07.440 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:11.540 This just in, U.S. tariff revenues have risen 60% to $15 billion in April, a new all-time high,

00:00:21.320 yet inflation remains stable and relatively low,

00:00:25.140 proving that President Trump's basic economic theory is correct.

00:00:30.600 The only one who seems to think that inflation is a danger is Jerome Powell.

00:00:35.500 Today in the Stone Zone, we're going to be taking your questions.

00:00:38.460 You can go to stone at stonezone.com, stone at stonezone.com to email me your questions.

00:00:45.960 I've been thinking a lot about the meaning of life recently.

00:00:50.200 Listen to the words of my mentor, one Richard Milhouse Nixon.

00:00:56.260 The unhappiest people of the world are those in the watering places, the international watering places,

00:01:05.320 like the south coast of France and Newport and Palm Springs and Palm Beach,

00:01:14.020 going to parties every night, playing golf every afternoon, then bridge, drinking too much,

00:01:23.640 talking too much, thinking too little, retired, no purpose.

00:01:30.200 And so, well, I know there are those who totally would disagree with this and say,

00:01:38.780 gee, boy, if I could just be a millionaire, that would be the most wonderful thing.

00:01:45.100 If I could just not have to work every day,

00:01:48.820 if I could just be out fishing or hunting or playing golf or traveling,

00:01:54.520 that would be the most wonderful life in the world.

00:01:57.720 They don't know life.

00:01:58.620 Because what makes life mean something is purpose, a goal, the battle, the struggle,

00:02:09.660 even if you don't win it.

00:02:13.900 I could not agree more.

00:02:16.600 We're taking your questions tonight.

00:02:19.920 You can go to stone at stonezone.com right now and email me your questions.

00:02:24.880 Let's jump right in.

00:02:26.140 Lena in Austin, Texas, says,

00:02:29.640 I saw you recently on the Alex Jones show and you said you thought that Tulsi Gabbard would be the first woman president.

00:02:37.140 What is it you see in Gabbard?

00:02:39.600 Well, I did say that and I do believe it.

00:02:42.880 I didn't necessarily say that she would be president in 2028,

00:02:47.600 although that is certainly a possibility.

00:02:49.900 But she's only 43 years old.

00:02:52.960 She recently celebrated her birthday.

00:02:55.360 I must tell you that I think she is charismatic.

00:02:58.960 She is dynamic.

00:03:00.260 She is surefooted.

00:03:02.040 She is extraordinarily principled.

00:03:04.880 I would note that during her confirmation hearings,

00:03:09.160 certain senators wanted her to recant public statements she had made in the past,

00:03:15.420 and she steadfastly refused to do that.

00:03:18.840 I actually think she is potentially the most impressive political horseflesh I've seen. 1.00

00:03:26.180 Remember, I'm a veteran of 14 national presidential campaigns.

00:03:30.180 Well, since Ronald Reagan.

00:03:32.620 Keep an eye on Tulsi Gabbard.

00:03:36.120 Let's see.

00:03:37.180 Jasper in San Diego, California, asks,

00:03:40.300 I saw Steve Bannon say that Trump would be the Republican nominee in 2028.

00:03:45.740 I also saw where you disagreed with that.

00:03:48.800 So can Trump run again in 2028?

00:03:52.180 Well, look, I give Steve Bannon credit as a troller,

00:03:56.000 because that's what I think he's doing.

00:03:57.900 As even Bill Maher, who I'm not a big fan, pointed out,

00:04:02.800 the U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits any person

00:04:07.840 from being elected to more than two four-year terms.

00:04:12.680 In fact, it goes a little further,

00:04:14.400 and it says that if any person fills the balance

00:04:17.940 more than three years of an unexpired term of a president before them,

00:04:24.200 such as, say, LBJ followed JFK after his assassination,

00:04:29.240 they would be ineligible to run.

00:04:32.320 So Bannon's answer when asked about how he would get around the Constitution was,

00:04:38.220 well, we have a team working on it.

00:04:40.600 I don't think there is a way.

00:04:41.860 Now, I have seen a political theory

00:04:44.560 that the Republican Party could nominate Vice President J.D. Vance

00:04:49.360 for president and Donald Trump for vice president.

00:04:53.900 Then, upon election, J.D. Vance could resign,

00:04:58.900 under which scenario Trump would become president.

00:05:02.200 Then Trump could appoint J.D. Vance vice president,

00:05:07.240 subject to the confirmation of the U.S. Senate.

00:05:11.820 But it's pretty far-fetched.

00:05:15.120 Is it technically possible?

00:05:16.880 It's technically possible.

00:05:18.080 But I ask this.

00:05:19.520 Does anyone actually believe

00:05:21.500 that if J.D. Vance gets elected president in his own right,

00:05:25.480 that he would be anxious to step down?

00:05:27.940 So while I love the Trump 2028 hats,

00:05:32.060 they're evidently on the president's door,

00:05:33.980 and I saw a great picture on X of Eric Trump wearing one,

00:05:38.460 and I would love to see yet another Trump term.

00:05:42.160 I think it is unlikely.

00:05:45.800 Here's another question from Ronan in Seattle, Washington.

00:05:51.120 Ronan writes,

00:05:52.120 I was surprised to see that you advocated a pardon

00:05:57.600 for Marcus Garvey,

00:06:00.480 who was an early civil rights leader.

00:06:03.400 Seems very unlikely.

00:06:05.160 No, actually, I was in the Strand bookstore

00:06:09.380 in the village in New York City.

00:06:13.200 I was in the basement where some of the older books are,

00:06:16.540 and in one dusty corner,

00:06:17.980 I found a biography of Marcus Garvey.

00:06:21.300 Now, Marcus Garvey was a pioneering Jamaican political leader,

00:06:26.060 publisher, orator,

00:06:27.660 who championed black pride and economic independence,

00:06:31.160 as well as capitalism in the early 20th century.

00:06:35.380 He was the founder of the Universal Negro Improvement Association.

00:06:40.900 Marcus Garvey inspired millions through his advocacy for pan-Africanism,

00:06:46.380 and he preached self-reliance, free enterprise,

00:06:51.160 self-improvement, and unity for black people.

00:06:54.780 I believe that he was such a threat

00:06:58.280 to the white power structure of the 20s

00:07:02.260 that the FBI, under their first director, J. Edgar Hoover,

00:07:07.940 who held that position all the way into the 70s,

00:07:11.080 framed Marcus Garvey for tax evasion.

00:07:14.300 I think he was a great man.

00:07:16.660 I began advocating for a pardon for him in 2017,

00:07:21.900 right after President Donald Trump took office.

00:07:24.340 I wrote him a letter outlining the reasons

00:07:26.900 why I thought Garvey deserved a posthumous pardon.

00:07:30.600 In the end, I was happy to see that Marcus Garvey

00:07:33.980 was given a posthumous pardon,

00:07:37.200 even if it was by Joe Biden.

00:07:40.480 Thank you so much for your question.

00:07:43.180 Here is yet another, let's see.

00:07:45.700 Mira from Miami, Florida, asks,

00:07:49.620 Now that you've seen the documents released by the Trump administration

00:07:54.800 surrounding the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Sr.,

00:08:00.260 are you satisfied with the conclusion

00:08:03.120 that he was killed by the Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan?

00:08:07.980 No.

00:08:08.640 I actually think that the documents that we have seen

00:08:11.840 are woefully incomplete,

00:08:13.920 and I see the same kind of problems

00:08:16.440 that I saw in the conclusions

00:08:18.540 regarding the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

00:08:23.020 Sirhan Sirhan was always in front of Senator Kennedy.

00:08:27.560 He shot eight shots,

00:08:28.480 all of them accounted for.

00:08:31.080 He was shooting wildly.

00:08:33.320 None of those shots hit Senator Kennedy.

00:08:36.700 Now, Thomas Noguchi,

00:08:40.040 who was the Los Angeles County coroner,

00:08:43.720 one of the most famous coroners in the country,

00:08:46.680 says in his autopsy report

00:08:48.740 that Senator Robert Kennedy died of a gunshot wound

00:08:53.180 to the rear of his skull at point-blank range,

00:08:57.620 meaning he was shot by someone behind him.

00:09:00.640 I believe that that murderer is Thane Eugene Cesar.

00:09:07.500 He was a Filipino who was hired as a security guard

00:09:12.080 by the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles

00:09:14.000 the week before RFK was killed,

00:09:17.540 and who almost immediately after the murder

00:09:20.180 quit his job and moved back to the Philippines.

00:09:24.140 So once again, I don't believe the narrative

00:09:27.200 that we have been presented.

00:09:29.160 By the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. agrees

00:09:31.680 with everything I just said.

00:09:33.800 There was a great interview

00:09:35.500 between Mike Tyson and RFK Jr.

00:09:39.680 in which he reached that same conclusion.

00:09:42.340 I would urge you to go see it on YouTube,

00:09:46.200 except for YouTube took it down.

00:09:49.440 Here is a question from Nia

00:09:51.700 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

00:09:54.160 Let's see.

00:09:54.760 Nia says,

00:09:55.560 I think that President Donald Trump's visage

00:09:59.720 should be on Mount Rushmore.

00:10:02.100 Is this actually possible?

00:10:04.420 Well, it would take an act of Congress

00:10:06.520 and a signature by the President of the United States.

00:10:10.000 Now, if both houses of Congress

00:10:12.180 passed a law requiring that Trump's face

00:10:16.400 be chiseled into the side of Mount Rushmore,

00:10:19.480 I'm quite confident that President Trump

00:10:21.460 would sign it.

00:10:22.500 I spoke to a man this morning in South Dakota,

00:10:26.160 Daniel Smith,

00:10:27.780 who told me he is launching a

00:10:29.240 One More for Rushmore campaign.

00:10:31.780 He's going to be posting an online petition

00:10:34.020 to collect the signatures

00:10:35.560 of those who agree

00:10:37.520 that Donald Trump should be

00:10:38.840 on Mount Rushmore.

00:10:40.140 And I'd also point out that

00:10:41.300 Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna

00:10:44.480 has sponsored legislation

00:10:47.880 that would make it legal

00:10:52.260 and direct the Interior Department

00:10:55.000 to put Donald Trump on Mount Rushmore.

00:10:57.820 When they get that petition up,

00:10:59.420 I will be the first to sign it.

00:11:02.980 Here's a question from Zara

00:11:05.640 in Salt Lake City.

00:11:07.500 Zara says,

00:11:09.000 you knew Richard Nixon.

00:11:10.720 Tell us something about Nixon

00:11:11.720 we don't know.

00:11:12.480 Well, let's see.

00:11:14.640 Richard Nixon could play the violin,

00:11:18.380 the piano,

00:11:19.880 the saxophone,

00:11:21.500 the accordion,

00:11:22.880 and the clarinet.

00:11:25.040 He was proficient in all of them,

00:11:27.380 yet he could not read music.

00:11:31.120 He was completely self-taught.

00:11:34.960 Let's see.

00:11:36.000 We have Theo in Columbus, Ohio.

00:11:38.680 By the way,

00:11:39.020 you can send your questions to me

00:11:40.500 at Stone at StoneZone.com.

00:11:43.700 We're going to be answering your questions

00:11:45.380 for the balance of the show tonight.

00:11:48.980 Here's the question from Theo

00:11:51.360 in Columbus, Ohio.

00:11:52.420 He says,

00:11:53.180 what piece of advice

00:11:54.800 were you given

00:11:56.120 that you have taken to heart

00:11:58.100 and you follow every day?

00:12:00.520 Well, let's see.

00:12:01.360 Joe Bruno

00:12:03.140 was the president

00:12:05.380 of the New York State Senate.

00:12:07.740 He was a very great man.

00:12:09.820 He was indicted

00:12:11.280 on completely fraudulent,

00:12:13.840 I think,

00:12:14.240 politically motivated charges,

00:12:16.200 but his conviction

00:12:17.540 was vacated

00:12:18.660 by the Supreme Court

00:12:19.760 that said that the law

00:12:21.160 he was charged

00:12:23.380 and convicted under

00:12:24.260 was unconstitutional.

00:12:25.360 Then the Justice Department

00:12:27.840 took the unusual step

00:12:30.700 of re-indicting him

00:12:32.360 and when he went to trial

00:12:33.800 the second time,

00:12:35.460 well, he was acquitted.

00:12:37.760 He told me,

00:12:39.580 as a young man,

00:12:41.220 that no matter how you felt

00:12:42.840 on any given day,

00:12:44.560 it was vitally important

00:12:45.900 that you do 100 push-ups,

00:12:48.620 100 sit-ups or crunches,

00:12:51.120 and 100 squats

00:12:54.540 no matter what

00:12:55.680 and that that would work

00:12:56.960 all body parts

00:12:58.320 and to this day,

00:13:00.340 I have followed that regimen.

00:13:01.740 Now, you don't have to do

00:13:02.720 100 contiguous push-ups.

00:13:05.500 You could do them

00:13:06.140 in four sets of 25

00:13:07.880 or five sets of 20,

00:13:10.540 but that will keep you

00:13:12.480 relatively fit.

00:13:13.740 If you watch your diet

00:13:15.900 and drink sparingly

00:13:17.620 on top of it,

00:13:18.900 I think you will remain

00:13:20.580 healthy.

00:13:22.000 That advice from

00:13:23.500 former Senate Majority Leader,

00:13:25.940 pardon, Majority Leader,

00:13:27.300 Joe Bruno of the Albany area

00:13:29.400 in upstate New York,

00:13:30.400 a very great man

00:13:31.780 who, like me,

00:13:33.440 was the target

00:13:34.440 of a weaponized judiciary,

00:13:36.600 but who survived it,

00:13:38.300 who rose above it,

00:13:39.780 and went on to serve

00:13:41.300 his community.

00:13:42.200 I believe that Joe Bruno Stadium

00:13:44.580 is still in upstate New York.

00:13:46.840 An excellent piece of advice

00:13:48.400 from a true statesman.

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00:15:42.140 We're going to try to jam in

00:15:44.240 as many of your questions

00:15:45.620 as we possibly can.

00:15:47.500 Here is a question from Jake

00:15:49.240 in Boca Raton Flora.

00:15:51.300 Jake says,

00:15:52.660 you're always talking on the air

00:15:54.300 about San Marzano tomatoes.

00:15:56.700 What is so special about them?

00:15:59.120 And are you getting a cut?

00:16:00.980 That's pretty funny.

00:16:02.340 San Marzano tomatoes,

00:16:04.180 that's not a brand of tomato.

00:16:05.900 That is a style of tomato

00:16:08.240 that is grown in a very specific region,

00:16:11.900 actually a valley in Italy.

00:16:14.200 They are the finest plum tomatoes

00:16:16.700 that one can procure.

00:16:19.080 And it doesn't matter

00:16:20.000 whether you're making

00:16:20.580 a basic marinara sauce

00:16:22.120 or whether you're making a bolognese

00:16:24.020 or whether you're making sauce

00:16:25.840 to put on top of a pizza.

00:16:28.100 San Marzano tomatoes

00:16:29.360 are absolutely crucial.

00:16:31.540 Now, you have to be very, very careful

00:16:33.240 when you look at the label

00:16:34.860 because they're sold

00:16:35.760 by a number of different companies,

00:16:37.940 several reputable importers.

00:16:40.880 If it says on the label,

00:16:43.360 San Marzano style tomatoes,

00:16:47.140 well, that's a fugazi.

00:16:48.700 That's a fraud.

00:16:49.880 You want the real thing,

00:16:51.500 only San Marzano tomatoes will do.

00:16:54.700 So for all your cooking,

00:16:56.560 I recommend them.

00:16:57.800 I swear by them.

00:16:59.640 On my Sunday show,

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00:17:04.580 therefore my grandmother's,

00:17:05.760 favorite recipes.

00:17:07.540 And when I go Italian,

00:17:09.380 those recipes always feature

00:17:11.820 San Marzano tomatoes.

00:17:14.320 Here is a final question.

00:17:17.440 Oren from New Orleans says,

00:17:19.220 who do you support

00:17:20.540 to be the next pope?

00:17:22.180 Well, I would prefer

00:17:23.800 either Cardinal Serra,

00:17:26.020 who is from Africa,

00:17:27.120 or Cardinal Erdo,

00:17:28.240 who is from Hungary.

00:17:30.140 They would both be considered

00:17:32.640 conservatives,

00:17:33.860 traditionalists.

00:17:35.260 I think that the immediate past pope

00:17:38.840 really lost me

00:17:41.020 when he agreed to let

00:17:43.220 the Chinese Communist Party

00:17:45.000 have a veto power

00:17:46.800 over who could be a bishop

00:17:48.820 in China.

00:17:51.140 I handicapped the race for pope 0.99

00:17:53.820 in yesterday's show,

00:17:55.040 probably going to be doing it again

00:17:56.360 this weekend.

00:17:57.740 Get your questions ready.

00:17:59.260 You can send them to me now

00:18:00.620 at Stone at StoneZone.com.

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00:18:05.220 and answer more of your questions.

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00:18:36.520 I'll take questions

00:18:37.360 about politics,

00:18:38.680 news,

00:18:39.160 history,

00:18:39.740 style,

00:18:40.320 culture,

00:18:41.120 food.

00:18:41.580 It's up to you.

00:18:42.600 But I am taking your questions.

00:18:44.720 Here's a question

00:18:45.460 from Mary

00:18:46.680 in Charleston,

00:18:47.840 South Carolina.

00:18:49.260 I saw online

00:18:51.140 that you disputed

00:18:53.240 the idea

00:18:53.520 that if Robert F.

00:18:55.780 Kennedy Sr.

00:18:58.240 had lived,

00:18:59.120 had not been assassinated,

00:19:00.860 that he would have

00:19:02.040 defeated Richard Nixon.

00:19:04.200 That is absolutely right.

00:19:06.180 The year was 1968.

00:19:08.100 There's two parts

00:19:08.740 to this answer.

00:19:09.760 First of all,

00:19:10.920 I do not acknowledge,

00:19:12.680 as many of those

00:19:13.620 in Camelot insist,

00:19:15.360 that RFK

00:19:16.360 would have been nominated.

00:19:17.580 Even though

00:19:18.960 he had

00:19:19.680 won the California primary

00:19:21.980 on the very day

00:19:23.720 that he was assassinated,

00:19:25.620 most of the delegates

00:19:26.760 to the 1968

00:19:27.920 Democrat convention

00:19:29.360 in Chicago

00:19:29.960 were not selected

00:19:31.400 in primaries

00:19:32.580 or caucuses,

00:19:33.840 and that convention

00:19:34.900 was in the firm control

00:19:36.720 of incumbent

00:19:38.060 Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:19:40.540 I actually believe

00:19:42.040 that Kennedy,

00:19:43.740 speaking to a student

00:19:45.120 audience,

00:19:45.760 pardon me,

00:19:46.560 a student audience

00:19:47.940 in California

00:19:49.280 days before

00:19:51.120 the California primary

00:19:52.380 when he was asked

00:19:53.880 if he would reopen

00:19:54.980 the investigation

00:19:55.980 into his brother's murder,

00:19:58.740 and he said yes,

00:20:00.460 probably sealed

00:20:01.940 his own fate.

00:20:03.720 Nonetheless,

00:20:04.600 if he had survived,

00:20:06.960 I do not believe

00:20:08.140 it would have been nominated.

00:20:09.520 I believe that

00:20:10.900 Mayor Richard J. Daley

00:20:12.420 of Chicago,

00:20:13.500 who had the largest

00:20:14.620 block of delegates

00:20:15.800 outside of New York

00:20:17.960 and California

00:20:19.540 at that time,

00:20:20.820 would have stuck

00:20:22.160 with LBJ

00:20:23.480 and therefore

00:20:24.360 supported

00:20:25.180 his ultimate choice,

00:20:27.500 Vice President

00:20:28.260 Hubert Humphrey,

00:20:29.880 who you may recall

00:20:31.340 entered no primaries.

00:20:33.580 So the primaries,

00:20:34.840 which were really

00:20:35.540 a contest

00:20:36.680 between

00:20:37.640 Senator Eugene McCarthy

00:20:39.960 of Minnesota,

00:20:41.060 who entered the race

00:20:42.400 because Bobby Kennedy

00:20:43.900 refused to challenge

00:20:45.060 Johnson.

00:20:45.520 Even though

00:20:46.500 he opposed

00:20:47.260 the war in Vietnam,

00:20:48.460 he would not

00:20:49.180 take the plunge,

00:20:50.660 and McCarthy

00:20:51.460 got tired of waiting,

00:20:52.620 so he forged ahead

00:20:54.320 as an anti-Vietnam

00:20:56.160 war candidate.

00:20:57.860 He did not win

00:20:59.040 the New Hampshire primary,

00:21:00.400 but he overperformed

00:21:02.000 there,

00:21:02.800 nicking LBJ,

00:21:05.060 causing LBJ

00:21:06.000 to drop out

00:21:07.420 of the convention,

00:21:08.320 after which

00:21:09.840 Robert Kennedy

00:21:11.440 jumped in,

00:21:12.920 which led to

00:21:14.080 many claims

00:21:15.320 that Kennedy

00:21:16.300 was an opportunist.

00:21:18.480 It is unclear

00:21:19.660 that he would

00:21:21.520 definitely have been

00:21:22.240 nominated.

00:21:22.820 Now let's go to

00:21:23.480 the general election.

00:21:25.780 In 1960,

00:21:28.040 John F. Kennedy

00:21:29.160 beat Vice President

00:21:30.660 Richard Nixon

00:21:31.640 by a whisker,

00:21:33.240 but in that election,

00:21:35.960 Kennedy carried

00:21:37.140 every single

00:21:38.580 southern state,

00:21:39.880 all of the deep

00:21:40.720 south states,

00:21:41.820 Louisiana,

00:21:42.820 Mississippi,

00:21:44.000 and Alabama.

00:21:47.660 By 1968,

00:21:49.480 Robert Kennedy,

00:21:50.480 the senator from New York,

00:21:51.940 could not have carried

00:21:52.960 any of those states,

00:21:54.960 and therefore,

00:21:55.740 I can tell you,

00:21:56.480 firstly,

00:21:57.660 Nixon longed

00:21:59.680 for a rematch

00:22:00.520 with the Kennedys,

00:22:01.620 and I believe

00:22:02.600 he would have

00:22:03.560 beaten Robert Kennedy

00:22:05.260 had he been the nominee.

00:22:06.640 Now that is

00:22:07.660 a particularly

00:22:08.280 difficult feat.

00:22:09.860 Most people

00:22:10.320 will not remember this,

00:22:11.320 but George Wallace,

00:22:12.740 the governor

00:22:13.260 of Alabama,

00:22:14.880 was running

00:22:15.480 as a third-party

00:22:17.060 candidate

00:22:17.440 and had managed

00:22:18.940 to get on the ballot

00:22:19.980 in virtually

00:22:20.680 every state.

00:22:22.580 So Nixon

00:22:23.860 had to run

00:22:24.820 between Wallace

00:22:26.220 to his right

00:22:27.080 and Humphrey

00:22:28.500 in the end

00:22:29.120 to his left,

00:22:30.560 and of course

00:22:31.200 he won that race

00:22:32.780 with a plurality

00:22:34.220 of the vote.

00:22:35.080 He almost

00:22:35.720 lost the race.

00:22:36.900 He made

00:22:37.260 what is normally

00:22:38.520 an enormous mistake

00:22:40.320 in politics

00:22:41.320 and sports.

00:22:42.360 He tried to sit

00:22:43.280 on the lead,

00:22:44.680 and look,

00:22:46.040 the only thing

00:22:46.440 worse in politics

00:22:47.380 than being wrong

00:22:48.300 is being boring,

00:22:50.900 but by taking

00:22:51.960 no risks,

00:22:52.640 he also made

00:22:53.860 no news.

00:22:55.440 The kind of

00:22:56.600 late-breaking news

00:22:57.980 was a late surge

00:23:00.100 by Humphrey.

00:23:01.500 A lot of the

00:23:02.420 anti-war Democrats,

00:23:04.600 anti-Vietnam War Democrats,

00:23:06.400 who had initially,

00:23:08.140 after the Democratic

00:23:09.000 Convention,

00:23:09.920 refused to endorse

00:23:11.200 Humphrey,

00:23:12.220 came around

00:23:13.500 because they

00:23:14.180 so disliked

00:23:15.320 the specter

00:23:15.840 of Richard Nixon

00:23:16.460 being president.

00:23:17.760 Humphrey had

00:23:18.660 a late surge,

00:23:20.300 and he actually

00:23:21.360 almost won

00:23:22.700 that race.

00:23:24.060 It is interesting

00:23:25.060 that when

00:23:25.760 Nixon

00:23:26.360 and the vanquished

00:23:27.660 Humphrey met

00:23:28.520 privately

00:23:29.720 after the election

00:23:31.640 that Humphrey

00:23:33.260 broke down

00:23:33.840 in tears,

00:23:34.960 actually crying

00:23:36.660 into Nixon's

00:23:37.800 shoulder.

00:23:38.960 And Nixon,

00:23:39.900 obviously,

00:23:40.440 who had lost

00:23:40.960 a very tough race

00:23:42.240 to John F. Kennedy,

00:23:43.620 told Hubert Humphrey

00:23:44.520 he knew exactly

00:23:45.840 how he felt.

00:23:48.080 Here is a question

00:23:49.200 from Catherine

00:23:50.000 in Minneapolis.

00:23:51.760 She has sent this

00:23:52.540 to stone

00:23:53.480 at stonezone.com.

00:23:56.200 Can you tell us

00:23:57.400 the name

00:23:57.960 of a Democrat

00:23:59.300 you admire?

00:24:00.800 I guess this is

00:24:01.500 a trick question.

00:24:03.180 Yes,

00:24:03.740 I am an admirer

00:24:05.460 of the late

00:24:06.920 Adam Clayton

00:24:08.220 Powell Jr.

00:24:09.900 He was the

00:24:11.120 pastor of the

00:24:11.900 Abyssinian Baptist

00:24:12.880 Church in Harlem,

00:24:14.340 New York.

00:24:15.080 He was also

00:24:15.860 an early civil

00:24:17.100 rights leader,

00:24:18.220 and he was a

00:24:19.080 member of Congress

00:24:20.160 from New York.

00:24:21.620 He rose to become

00:24:23.120 the chairman

00:24:25.180 of the Public Works

00:24:26.360 Committee,

00:24:26.660 which was a very

00:24:27.220 powerful position.

00:24:28.820 He was

00:24:30.080 very handsome.

00:24:31.940 He was very

00:24:32.720 well-dressed.

00:24:34.160 He infuriated

00:24:35.640 the segregationists

00:24:37.340 in the Congress

00:24:38.260 who thought

00:24:39.540 that he was

00:24:40.300 uppity.

00:24:41.420 He drove

00:24:42.160 this beautiful

00:24:43.060 powder blue

00:24:44.460 Jaguar

00:24:45.820 Mark 5

00:24:47.920 convertible,

00:24:48.800 which is a

00:24:49.220 gorgeous car.

00:24:50.440 He would drive

00:24:51.500 it right up

00:24:52.080 and park it

00:24:52.560 outside the

00:24:53.220 Capitol

00:24:53.580 to further

00:24:54.620 aggravate

00:24:55.600 the segregationists.

00:24:57.360 He was

00:24:57.820 an articulate

00:24:58.820 advocate for

00:25:01.060 civil rights

00:25:01.900 and for

00:25:02.740 his constituents.

00:25:04.080 He was a

00:25:04.800 very great

00:25:05.380 man.

00:25:06.120 Now,

00:25:06.260 he ultimately

00:25:06.920 was betrayed

00:25:09.380 by one of

00:25:11.100 his

00:25:11.360 protégés,

00:25:12.820 Charles

00:25:13.220 Rangel,

00:25:14.360 who once

00:25:15.920 Adam Clayton

00:25:17.260 Powell

00:25:17.700 was charged,

00:25:20.520 I believe,

00:25:21.400 in a

00:25:21.740 financial

00:25:22.500 scandal

00:25:23.200 in which

00:25:23.740 he was

00:25:25.140 taking

00:25:25.400 kickbacks

00:25:25.940 from a

00:25:26.700 woman on 0.99

00:25:27.320 the

00:25:27.460 congressional

00:25:27.860 payroll,

00:25:28.480 I believe.

00:25:28.980 I think

00:25:29.200 that's what

00:25:29.560 it was

00:25:29.780 about.

00:25:31.480 Powell

00:25:31.700 remained

00:25:32.360 very popular,

00:25:34.360 but he

00:25:34.880 split for

00:25:35.620 Bimini.

00:25:36.680 All the

00:25:37.240 tabloid

00:25:37.900 reporters went

00:25:38.780 with him.

00:25:39.980 Adam Powell

00:25:40.620 always had a

00:25:41.400 beautiful woman 1.00

00:25:42.140 on his

00:25:42.940 arm,

00:25:43.700 but Rangel

00:25:44.500 ultimately

00:25:45.120 defeated

00:25:45.840 Adam Clayton

00:25:46.580 Powell,

00:25:47.180 ending his

00:25:48.140 congressional

00:25:48.840 career.

00:25:50.840 I was a

00:25:51.200 great admirer

00:25:52.180 of the

00:25:52.660 early civil

00:25:53.620 rights leader,

00:25:54.640 Adam Clayton

00:25:55.720 Powell.

00:25:56.780 So there

00:25:57.360 is a

00:25:57.660 Democrat

00:25:57.960 that I

00:25:58.640 did

00:25:59.840 admire.

00:26:01.200 Here's

00:26:01.760 yet another

00:26:02.380 question.

00:26:02.780 Once again,

00:26:03.260 you can send

00:26:03.640 your questions

00:26:04.140 to me at

00:26:04.760 stonezone.com.

00:26:08.700 Here is a

00:26:09.680 question from

00:26:10.520 George in

00:26:11.340 Nashville.

00:26:12.920 He says

00:26:13.760 Donald Trump

00:26:15.300 talked about

00:26:16.160 running in

00:26:16.600 1988,

00:26:18.000 2000,

00:26:19.280 2012,

00:26:20.800 and he

00:26:21.820 finally ran

00:26:22.500 in 2016.

00:26:24.200 At what

00:26:24.800 point did

00:26:25.480 you realize

00:26:26.120 that he was

00:26:26.760 really going

00:26:27.400 to run?

00:26:28.540 Well,

00:26:29.120 in all

00:26:29.660 honesty,

00:26:30.460 the idea

00:26:31.020 of a

00:26:31.640 Trump

00:26:31.900 candidacy

00:26:32.420 in 1988

00:26:33.460 was mine.

00:26:35.160 I think

00:26:35.740 the president

00:26:36.200 has said

00:26:36.660 that in a

00:26:37.500 number of

00:26:37.900 interviews.

00:26:38.780 He was not

00:26:39.360 really all

00:26:40.020 that interested.

00:26:40.660 He still

00:26:41.800 had many

00:26:42.500 real estate

00:26:43.740 mountains to

00:26:44.600 climb.

00:26:45.560 He was a

00:26:46.180 good friend

00:26:46.720 of the

00:26:47.060 Texas

00:26:47.440 billionaire

00:26:48.180 Ross Perot,

00:26:49.540 who had

00:26:50.200 run as

00:26:51.060 a third

00:26:51.720 party

00:26:52.000 candidate,

00:26:52.660 the Reform

00:26:53.360 Party

00:26:53.640 candidate,

00:26:54.520 in 1992

00:26:55.960 and 1996.

00:26:57.720 And by

00:26:58.440 2000,

00:26:59.740 Ross Perot

00:27:00.540 and Jesse

00:27:02.100 Ventura,

00:27:03.160 the former

00:27:03.820 professional

00:27:04.700 wrestler who

00:27:05.520 had been

00:27:05.900 elected

00:27:06.380 governor of

00:27:08.120 Minnesota

00:27:08.680 on the

00:27:09.840 Reform Party

00:27:10.460 ticket,

00:27:11.220 both urged

00:27:12.180 Trump to

00:27:13.020 run.

00:27:14.140 When Donald

00:27:15.160 Trump found

00:27:15.840 out that

00:27:16.880 under the

00:27:17.620 campaign

00:27:18.080 finance laws

00:27:19.240 of 2000,

00:27:21.980 the nominee

00:27:22.800 of the

00:27:23.320 Reform Party

00:27:24.060 after their

00:27:25.100 national convention

00:27:26.160 would get a

00:27:27.540 check for

00:27:28.060 $38 million

00:27:29.720 from the

00:27:30.680 public treasury.

00:27:31.900 In other

00:27:32.260 words,

00:27:32.900 Donald Trump

00:27:33.500 could run

00:27:34.220 for president

00:27:34.860 on OPM,

00:27:37.300 other people's

00:27:38.180 money.

00:27:38.920 He did

00:27:39.360 take a

00:27:40.080 serious look

00:27:41.100 at it.

00:27:41.820 He made

00:27:42.380 exploratory

00:27:43.300 trips to

00:27:44.080 New Hampshire,

00:27:45.260 to Los Angeles,

00:27:47.060 to Miami.

00:27:48.200 He went to

00:27:48.540 the Holocaust 0.82

00:27:49.000 Museum in

00:27:50.000 L.A.

00:27:50.480 He went to

00:27:51.520 the Bay of

00:27:52.660 Pigs Veterans 0.99

00:27:53.680 Museum in

00:27:54.660 Miami,

00:27:55.500 and he made

00:27:56.440 a trip to

00:27:57.180 New Hampshire.

00:27:57.840 In the end,

00:27:59.000 Donald Trump

00:27:59.680 correctly determined

00:28:00.960 that one

00:28:01.940 could not be

00:28:03.160 elected as

00:28:04.100 a third

00:28:04.860 party or

00:28:05.700 independent

00:28:06.240 candidate that

00:28:07.280 one had to

00:28:08.260 run as

00:28:08.960 either a

00:28:09.960 Republican or

00:28:11.200 a Democrat.

00:28:12.380 Interestingly,

00:28:13.540 in order to

00:28:14.980 consider the

00:28:16.520 Reform Party

00:28:17.140 nomination in

00:28:17.960 2000,

00:28:19.140 Donald Trump

00:28:19.580 had to

00:28:20.000 change his

00:28:20.700 registration in

00:28:21.740 New York

00:28:22.040 State from

00:28:23.060 the Republican

00:28:23.860 Party, where

00:28:24.440 he had always

00:28:25.160 been registered,

00:28:26.320 to the

00:28:27.040 Independence 0.62

00:28:27.700 Party, not

00:28:29.160 Independence, 0.74

00:28:30.040 but Independence

00:28:30.940 Party, which

00:28:31.900 was the

00:28:32.400 affiliate of

00:28:33.440 the Reform

00:28:34.220 Party.

00:28:35.620 He ultimately

00:28:36.780 decided not

00:28:37.680 to run.

00:28:38.280 What's

00:28:38.500 interesting is

00:28:39.420 in the

00:28:40.280 Reform Party

00:28:41.300 primaries that

00:28:42.880 took place

00:28:43.680 almost a month

00:28:44.920 after he

00:28:45.440 announced that

00:28:45.920 he would not

00:28:46.420 be a candidate,

00:28:47.720 Donald Trump

00:28:48.340 won the

00:28:48.880 Reform Party

00:28:49.540 primaries in

00:28:50.680 both California

00:28:51.580 and Michigan,

00:28:53.000 which showed

00:28:54.000 me very early

00:28:55.240 his potential

00:28:56.520 appeal as a

00:28:58.760 candidate.

00:28:59.120 It was

00:29:00.980 clear to me

00:29:01.520 that in

00:29:01.880 2012 that

00:29:04.160 he was

00:29:05.240 serious, but

00:29:06.000 I think he

00:29:06.940 decided that he

00:29:08.060 was interested

00:29:08.600 too late, and

00:29:09.980 the truth is

00:29:10.740 that Mitt

00:29:11.640 Romney had

00:29:12.660 unfortunately

00:29:13.280 locked up the

00:29:15.160 Republican

00:29:15.920 nomination.

00:29:17.420 Trump endorsed

00:29:18.120 him and then

00:29:18.580 almost immediately

00:29:19.460 had buyer's

00:29:21.560 remorse.

00:29:22.180 After every

00:29:22.740 debate, he

00:29:23.700 would call me

00:29:24.500 virtually yelling,

00:29:26.080 what's wrong

00:29:26.620 with this guy?

00:29:27.680 He has no

00:29:28.380 instinct for

00:29:29.240 the juggler.

00:29:30.220 He's smelling

00:29:30.720 more and more

00:29:31.700 like a loser. 0.54

00:29:33.080 When did I

00:29:33.560 know that Trump

00:29:34.120 would actually

00:29:34.640 run?

00:29:34.960 I can tell you

00:29:35.420 exactly when it

00:29:36.200 was.

00:29:36.980 It was January

00:29:38.460 1st of 2013.

00:29:41.960 It was New

00:29:42.440 Year's Day, and

00:29:43.900 as was my

00:29:44.740 custom, I

00:29:45.420 called him at

00:29:46.620 his palatial

00:29:47.900 retreat at

00:29:49.300 Mar-a-Lago in

00:29:50.020 Palm Beach, and

00:29:51.660 we were just

00:29:52.200 talking, and he

00:29:52.800 said, you know,

00:29:53.740 I should have

00:29:54.300 run.

00:29:54.900 I really think

00:29:55.520 I could have

00:29:55.960 beaten Obama.

00:29:57.520 I'm definitely

00:29:58.320 going to run

00:29:59.060 next time,

00:30:00.060 meaning 2016.

00:30:01.420 And I said,

00:30:02.500 well, I hope

00:30:04.200 you will, but

00:30:05.940 I've heard this

00:30:06.480 before, and he

00:30:07.260 said, no,

00:30:07.720 actually, I

00:30:09.000 have already

00:30:09.600 applied to the

00:30:10.700 Patent and

00:30:11.380 Trademark Office

00:30:12.400 to trademark

00:30:13.600 the phrase,

00:30:15.080 make America

00:30:16.220 great again, and

00:30:17.860 there you have

00:30:18.580 it.

00:30:19.220 Now, it is

00:30:20.320 true that at

00:30:21.020 that White 0.99

00:30:21.540 House

00:30:21.820 correspondence

00:30:22.840 dinner where

00:30:23.820 he was

00:30:24.200 ridiculed by

00:30:25.940 Barack Obama,

00:30:27.500 I could see

00:30:28.460 he was smiling,

00:30:29.260 but I saw

00:30:29.740 the clench of

00:30:31.000 his jaw.

00:30:31.980 I think all

00:30:32.500 that did was

00:30:33.420 to confirm

00:30:35.020 his resolve to

00:30:36.980 score the

00:30:37.720 greatest political

00:30:38.840 upset in

00:30:39.640 American history

00:30:40.500 and become the

00:30:41.520 first president of

00:30:42.360 the United States

00:30:43.000 who was not a

00:30:43.620 governor, not a

00:30:44.740 senator, not a

00:30:45.780 congressman, not a

00:30:46.880 general, but a

00:30:48.000 business person.

00:30:49.640 So there you have

00:30:50.600 it, the Stone Cold

00:30:51.660 Truth, right here in

00:30:53.220 the Stone Zone.

00:30:53.900 We'll be right

00:30:54.920 back to take a

00:30:55.660 few more of

00:30:56.140 your questions.

00:30:56.820 Again, you can

00:30:57.720 email your

00:30:58.280 questions to me

00:30:59.120 at stone, at

00:31:00.420 stonezone.com.

00:31:02.840 Whatever you do,

00:31:03.620 don't go away

00:31:04.340 because we'll be

00:31:05.260 right back.

00:31:08.140 The Stone Zone

00:31:09.580 on the Red Apple

00:31:10.860 Podcast Network.

00:31:18.680 The Stone Zone,

00:31:20.620 entertaining and

00:31:21.880 informative on the

00:31:23.020 Red Apple Podcast

00:31:24.280 Network.

00:31:25.620 Back in the

00:31:26.500 Stone Zone, we've

00:31:27.420 got a little time

00:31:27.860 to take a few more

00:31:28.820 of your questions.

00:31:29.780 You can send your

00:31:30.380 questions to me at

00:31:31.460 stone, at stonezone.com,

00:31:33.960 stone, at stonezone.com.

00:31:36.980 Here is a question

00:31:38.240 from John in

00:31:40.840 Boston.

00:31:41.400 John says, do you

00:31:43.540 really expect us to

00:31:44.560 believe that Lyndon

00:31:45.700 Baines Johnson

00:31:46.560 orchestrated the

00:31:48.020 murder of John F.

00:31:49.060 Kennedy?

00:31:49.460 Not only do I

00:31:50.260 expect you to

00:31:51.180 believe it, I

00:31:51.960 absolutely believe

00:31:53.020 it is true.

00:31:54.500 I wrote a book

00:31:55.580 on this back in

00:31:56.920 2013, The Man

00:31:58.780 Who Killed

00:31:59.220 Kennedy, The Case

00:32:00.480 Against LBJ.

00:32:01.620 Now, I do not

00:32:02.640 say that Lyndon

00:32:03.380 Johnson did this

00:32:04.400 by himself.

00:32:05.660 I believe that he

00:32:06.740 orchestrated a

00:32:08.020 plot that

00:32:09.580 involved the

00:32:10.540 Central Intelligence

00:32:11.300 Agency.

00:32:12.440 Their motive was

00:32:13.660 what they thought

00:32:14.500 was John F.

00:32:15.120 Kennedy's bungling

00:32:16.580 of the Bay of

00:32:18.040 Pigs invasion and

00:32:19.320 the Cuban

00:32:20.780 Missile Crisis,

00:32:21.580 where the

00:32:22.580 Pentagon and

00:32:23.300 the intelligence

00:32:23.820 services knew

00:32:24.740 in real time

00:32:25.500 that John and

00:32:27.400 Robert Kennedy,

00:32:28.620 rather than

00:32:29.160 facing down

00:32:30.300 Nikita Khrushchev,

00:32:31.760 as the movie

00:32:32.900 13 Days would

00:32:34.240 have us believe,

00:32:35.100 made a secret

00:32:36.120 deal with the

00:32:37.860 Russian dictator

00:32:39.700 to remove our

00:32:41.580 NATO missiles from

00:32:42.660 Italy and

00:32:43.780 Turkey,

00:32:45.060 changing the

00:32:46.180 balance of power

00:32:47.480 in the European

00:32:49.100 theater.

00:32:49.640 Of course, that

00:32:50.420 was classified

00:32:51.300 information for

00:32:52.400 40 years.

00:32:53.760 Our ambassador

00:32:54.500 to Cuba, Earl

00:32:55.800 E.T.

00:32:56.480 Smith, knew that

00:32:58.140 the missiles had

00:32:58.880 never actually been

00:33:00.140 removed from that

00:33:01.960 island gulag.

00:33:03.860 So that explains

00:33:05.780 the motive of the

00:33:07.000 Central Intelligence

00:33:07.700 Agency.

00:33:08.280 And then, of

00:33:08.580 course, I also

00:33:09.540 believe there was

00:33:10.160 involvement by

00:33:11.180 organized crime.

00:33:13.020 Prior to the

00:33:14.780 1960 election,

00:33:16.060 Ambassador Joseph

00:33:17.400 Kennedy, who

00:33:18.580 was John

00:33:19.400 Kennedy's father,

00:33:21.120 known to many

00:33:22.040 our audience also

00:33:22.900 as a bootlegger

00:33:24.020 and a robber

00:33:26.660 baron of Wall

00:33:27.420 Street, the

00:33:28.700 partner of Frank

00:33:29.460 Costello,

00:33:30.180 controlling illegal

00:33:31.140 alcohol from

00:33:32.400 New York all the

00:33:33.260 way up to the

00:33:33.860 Canadian border

00:33:34.620 through New

00:33:35.380 England, met

00:33:36.860 with all the

00:33:37.660 heads of the

00:33:38.580 mob families in

00:33:39.680 Chicago, and in

00:33:41.440 return for a

00:33:42.540 pledge of $1

00:33:43.320 million, which

00:33:44.880 in late 1959

00:33:46.520 is an enormous

00:33:47.840 amount of

00:33:48.420 money, and a

00:33:49.760 pledge to twist

00:33:51.080 and maybe even

00:33:51.960 break arms for

00:33:53.680 JFK, first in 0.60

00:33:55.220 the West Virginia

00:33:56.480 primary, but

00:33:57.380 later in both

00:33:58.600 Illinois,

00:33:59.480 specifically in

00:34:00.260 Chicago, and

00:34:01.480 in Texas, a

00:34:03.540 deal was struck

00:34:04.380 that a Kennedy

00:34:06.320 Justice Department

00:34:07.480 would drop the

00:34:08.940 deportation

00:34:10.180 proceedings against

00:34:11.960 two of the most

00:34:12.760 prominent mobsters

00:34:14.100 of the day, Carlos

00:34:15.640 Marcello, who

00:34:17.380 controlled the mob

00:34:18.400 in Texas and

00:34:19.380 Louisiana, and

00:34:20.720 Santo Traficante, a

00:34:23.160 particularly vicious

00:34:24.320 gangster who

00:34:25.280 controlled the mob

00:34:27.660 in Florida.

00:34:29.620 Well, after the

00:34:31.100 election, Robert

00:34:32.180 Kennedy Sr.

00:34:33.320 became attorney

00:34:34.060 general, and his

00:34:36.560 father, Ambassador

00:34:37.520 Joseph Kennedy, was

00:34:39.420 felled by a

00:34:40.700 debilitating

00:34:41.260 stroke, losing

00:34:43.020 the capacity of

00:34:44.360 speech, and

00:34:44.920 therefore unable

00:34:46.360 to enforce the

00:34:47.560 deal he had

00:34:48.680 made with the

00:34:49.700 mafia.

00:34:50.600 This, I think,

00:34:51.680 explains the

00:34:52.780 involvement of the

00:34:54.240 mob in the

00:34:55.740 murder of

00:34:56.740 JFK.

00:34:59.040 Now, the other

00:35:00.360 huge player here is

00:35:01.300 Big Texas Oil.

00:35:02.620 They were upset

00:35:03.540 because John

00:35:04.320 Kennedy wanted to

00:35:05.100 repeal the oil

00:35:06.000 depletion allowance,

00:35:07.380 which would have

00:35:07.840 cost them hundreds of

00:35:09.300 millions of dollars

00:35:10.020 in new taxes, and

00:35:11.600 the banking

00:35:12.140 interests were

00:35:13.380 unhappy with John

00:35:14.960 Kennedy because he

00:35:15.760 was insisting on a

00:35:17.240 silver-backed

00:35:18.220 dollar, but it

00:35:19.320 was Lyndon Johnson

00:35:20.480 who had the most

00:35:21.340 immediate need.

00:35:23.660 He was under

00:35:24.420 investigation in

00:35:25.400 the Bobby Baker

00:35:26.680 investigation and

00:35:28.280 the Billy Sol Estes

00:35:29.860 investigation, two

00:35:30.920 of the biggest

00:35:32.000 corruption scandals

00:35:33.240 of the 1960s.

00:35:35.400 In fact, Attorney

00:35:36.500 General Robert

00:35:37.300 Kennedy, John

00:35:38.900 Kennedy's brother,

00:35:39.720 had already begun

00:35:40.520 telling people that

00:35:41.880 LBJ would be dropped

00:35:43.300 from the 1964 ticket

00:35:44.920 and he would be

00:35:47.740 sent to prison.

00:35:49.360 This is why it was

00:35:50.980 Johnson who insisted

00:35:52.180 that Kennedy go to

00:35:53.820 Dallas.

00:35:54.420 It is Johnson who

00:35:55.880 insisted that the

00:35:57.440 motorcade route,

00:35:58.500 which was going from

00:35:59.520 the Dallas-Fort

00:36:01.200 Worth airport, which

00:36:02.140 is outside the city

00:36:03.100 of Dallas, to the

00:36:04.200 merchandise mart,

00:36:05.160 which is also outside

00:36:06.320 the city of Dallas,

00:36:07.660 dipped into the city

00:36:09.520 proper, driving

00:36:10.800 through Dealey

00:36:11.700 Plaza, where the

00:36:13.380 motorcade violates

00:36:14.960 the Secret Service

00:36:16.280 protocols and is

00:36:17.780 allowed to come to a

00:36:19.100 full stop and a

00:36:20.740 stop sign.

00:36:22.120 There, I believe that

00:36:24.120 at least one of the

00:36:24.980 shooters was a man

00:36:25.800 named Malcolm

00:36:26.900 Mack Wallace, who

00:36:29.040 worked for, yes,

00:36:30.460 Lyndon Johnson.

00:36:32.040 We think this because

00:36:33.180 Wallace left his

00:36:34.340 fingerprints on the

00:36:35.520 sixth floor of the

00:36:36.980 Texas School Book

00:36:37.800 Depository Building,

00:36:39.400 both on the window

00:36:40.420 encasement and on the

00:36:42.240 cardboard boxes that

00:36:43.320 formed the so-called

00:36:44.320 crow's nest.

00:36:45.520 By the way, neither the

00:36:46.960 FBI nor the Dallas

00:36:48.240 police ever found a

00:36:49.840 complete fingerprint for

00:36:51.460 Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:36:52.680 They found what they

00:36:53.320 described as a

00:36:54.540 potential partial print,

00:36:56.580 but they found 38-point

00:36:59.300 fingerprints for Mack

00:37:01.700 Wallace.

00:37:02.160 Six different people

00:37:03.800 said that they saw a

00:37:05.900 man who met the

00:37:06.840 physical description of

00:37:09.040 Mack Wallace in the

00:37:11.180 window of medium build,

00:37:13.780 balding.

00:37:14.480 Every single one of them

00:37:15.360 said wearing spectacles.

00:37:17.340 Six witnesses, three of

00:37:18.540 them were prisoners at the

00:37:20.440 jail directly across

00:37:22.280 Dealey Plaza.

00:37:24.340 The other three saw

00:37:25.520 Malcolm Wallace from the

00:37:28.220 street.

00:37:28.520 A man named James Carr

00:37:31.180 told the Dallas police

00:37:33.820 that he saw a man who

00:37:35.580 met the physical

00:37:37.020 description of Malcolm

00:37:38.400 Mack Wallace running

00:37:40.240 out of the Texas

00:37:41.040 School Book Depository

00:37:42.320 building minutes after

00:37:45.100 the shooting of John

00:37:46.120 Kennedy, jump in a 0.56

00:37:47.620 Nash Rambler and be 1.00

00:37:49.060 driven away by a dark

00:37:51.580 complected man who was

00:37:53.060 either a Native American

00:37:54.620 or perhaps Hispanic.

00:37:55.520 Hispanic.

00:37:57.040 Now, what's interesting

00:37:58.780 is there were no less

00:37:59.840 than six attempts on

00:38:01.600 James Carr's life in the

00:38:03.000 years, at months and

00:38:04.380 years after he made this

00:38:06.220 report to the Dallas

00:38:07.600 police.

00:38:08.240 What's also interesting

00:38:09.500 is James Carr never

00:38:11.500 heard from the

00:38:12.400 Warring Commission

00:38:13.140 after making that

00:38:14.740 report.

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