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00:00:30.000 this is the stone zone with roger stone people love him and respect him roger stone

00:00:48.060 now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone and i'm jake novak in for roger

00:00:56.880 Stone this evening. Great to have the opportunity again. A lot of moving parts in the news today,

00:01:02.260 internationally, domestically, locally, depending on what city you're talking about. So I want to

00:01:08.740 try to get to as many of them as I can. Again, as you know, I still believe, obviously, our war

00:01:14.680 with Iran, which is at the ceasefire position right now, but we, of course, still have

00:01:19.380 literally hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and women in forward areas. We now

00:01:26.040 have three aircraft carrier groups in the waters off of Iran. That's rare to have that, extremely

00:01:32.900 rare, with the USS George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier arriving there. So this has to be your

00:01:41.320 top concern. Again, you know, one of the things I talk about a lot is we all know that there are a

00:01:45.960 number of biases in the news media. And, you know, it's run by humans still, so humans are always

00:01:52.700 going to have biases and we focus so much on the left wing bias which is real it's it's it's

00:01:57.900 destructive and it's constant but i actually believe that there are two biases that are

00:02:02.920 actually biases that are even more prevalent and they're just as destructive and just as in my case

00:02:08.960 annoying and one of them is the two that are even bigger than the left wing bias the number one is

00:02:14.820 the bias in favor of negativity bad news stories that will frighten you um i think that's been

00:02:21.360 true since the caveman days the caveman drawing days but there's also the geographic bias if

00:02:26.680 you're in if you're in your bubble in new york or dc especially new york and that's the way you're

00:02:32.920 going to look at the rest of the world and even though in new york city in the five boroughs there

00:02:38.860 are quite a few people who are certain from from those areas from these five boroughs who are

00:02:44.280 serving in the military there are not so many of them in manhattan and certainly not many people

00:02:47.920 who work in the news media here in Manhattan know someone in the service, ever knew anyone

00:02:53.660 in the service, but in the rest of the country, this is a big deal.

00:02:56.940 Everybody knows someone.

00:02:59.060 And so that's why I considered, you know, that's not the only reason, of course, we're

00:03:03.020 in a historic battle against a really, really dangerous enemy, one that's been an enemy

00:03:08.640 of the civilized world for 47 years.

00:03:11.480 So, of course, that would be the big story anyway.

00:03:13.320 But the fact that so many Americans are personally affected by this, they have a family member,

00:03:17.180 They have a friend. They have loved ones. And this is life and death. So to me, that's why this has to continue to be our top story for so many reasons.

00:03:27.880 Now, we don't know if these peace talks that are scheduled for Pakistan in the next day or so are going to happen.

00:03:33.780 We still don't know for sure. It looks like the Iranian, some Iranian contingent is there.

00:03:39.420 And it also we also don't even know that if they do meet U.S. envoys, presumably against Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner and some others with them.

00:03:49.940 And then meeting with the Iranians face to face, we also don't know if it's going to go anywhere.

00:03:54.600 You know, we just heard from Senator Roger Wicker.

00:03:59.300 He is the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, a Republican, obviously.

00:04:03.680 And he just came out and said he doesn't really think that the negotiations are worth it with this regime.

00:04:09.420 And he may have a point, obviously. So, I mean, that's we've heard some Iranian folks saying that to hear that from such a high ranking senator, no matter what his real power is, he's still a high ranking senator, is interesting, to say the least. 0.63

00:04:24.700 So I think that's important. 0.99

00:04:28.600 I think we all would like to see the end of it, people being in harm's way, an end of fighting.

00:04:34.300 We're in the ceasefire now, so it's not like we've been seeing bombs going off constantly, although that's not the case in Lebanon, and I'll talk about that in a second.

00:04:42.320 But at the same time, we certainly don't want to see this regime remaining intact.

00:04:46.240 and being able to, after however long,

00:04:50.000 to go back to funding terrorism,

00:04:52.200 which is really all they did,

00:04:53.740 and pursuing a nuclear program,

00:04:55.520 which is part of their terrorism. 0.69

00:04:56.620 So it's two pieces of the same picture.

00:05:00.700 That's what we want.

00:05:02.080 We want to see that end.

00:05:04.620 And we'll have to see where we go from here on that.

00:05:08.960 Meanwhile, it does feel like we might get closer.

00:05:12.580 I mean, if I had to guess,

00:05:13.740 it feels like we're getting closer to open hostilities again.

00:05:17.320 We learned that Britain and France have told their citizens 0.98

00:05:20.520 that if they're in Iran, they should get out. 1.00

00:05:23.140 I'm surprised they didn't tell them to do that already, 0.99

00:05:24.720 but that alert was sent out.

00:05:27.220 The U.S. has sent an alert to U.S. embassy workers in London.

00:05:32.040 If you're working in the U.S. embassy in London,

00:05:33.680 they want you to be extra vigilant for Iranian-backed terror attacks

00:05:37.600 in London and in Great Britain.

00:05:40.100 so you know sometimes you hear that stuff and you realize something's going to happen and that's

00:05:45.920 exactly what happened before the war in iran started in the first place several weeks ago

00:05:49.700 people who were considered non-essential personnel at all those u.s bases in the middle east

00:05:55.780 within range of iranian attacks were told here's your chance to get out people in israel at the

00:06:01.840 u.s embassy told to get out if you remember you remember this and sure enough a couple days later

00:06:06.640 our attack on Iran and Israel's attack on Iran began.

00:06:10.060 So, you know, I see my voice is cracking

00:06:13.800 because we're talking about life and death here.

00:06:15.140 It's getting me a little nervous.

00:06:16.940 But, you know, this feels like an absolute precursor

00:06:21.620 to perhaps hostilities beginning again. 1.00

00:06:24.420 I would love for Iran's regime, what's left of it, 0.99

00:06:27.220 to just unconditionally surrender already.

00:06:29.720 It seems obvious to people like you and me

00:06:31.780 that they're not going to win this thing

00:06:33.480 and there's nothing they can do really to salvage.

00:06:36.640 themselves and all these erroneous reports about the trump administration being ready to pone up

00:06:41.740 tens of billions of dollars to this regime are just that ridiculously erroneous this it's just 0.95

00:06:46.420 so stupid i know where they're coming from by the way and i'll talk about that in a second but 0.97

00:06:49.940 there's no there's no chance of that getting it happening so sure it makes sense to you and me 0.99

00:06:56.400 but we're not dealing with rational people now as far as all where all that money and where these

00:07:01.440 reports are coming from you know i did some digging into this because during the week and

00:07:05.660 last week I was hearing from some of the usual suspect Trump haters in my timeline and in my

00:07:10.160 personal life. And they're like, oh, are you going to apologize to Obama for all that money he gave

00:07:14.440 to Iran because Trump's going to give him more? And I'm like, what? Who would he even give it to?

00:07:18.760 I mean, think of the logic of that. And then I realized where the reporters are sort of getting

00:07:23.360 this. And this is not an excuse for them at all. This is still a ridiculous stretch.

00:07:27.800 This is coming from the floated idea that when Iran either surrenders or a regime gets there

00:07:34.860 in place that will work with us the u.s government will encourage u.s oil companies to start doing

00:07:40.820 business in iran which will of course lead to billions of dollars of investment in iran it's

00:07:45.600 not like pallets of cash going to the terror leaders of iran going to the mullahs like biden

00:07:50.300 and obama gave them i mean it's quite the stretch to say oh see trump's going to give them even more

00:07:54.520 money it's not even to the same people and it's not in the same way and it may not even happen

00:07:58.920 i don't you know just because the oil companies will potentially be allowed to do that doesn't

00:08:03.540 mean they're necessarily going to do it. They got a lot of drilling to do here. And even if things

00:08:08.000 are peaceful forevermore in Iran after this war is over, it's a schlep, as we say, to go over 0.98

00:08:14.080 there. They may have as much oil to drill here in this part of the world and on and on. And again,

00:08:19.720 a lot of other points. Now, again, as I said before, I was going to tell you what's going on

00:08:23.080 in Lebanon. The shooting has already started again in Lebanon. Hezbollah has broken the ceasefire

00:08:28.820 that President Trump announced between Israel and Lebanon. Although it's really Israel and Hezbollah

00:08:33.240 Israel's never had any problem or at least not any shooting wars with the government of Lebanon. 0.93

00:08:37.920 This has always been about Hezbollah, which is Iran.

00:08:40.820 It's just Iran's Lebanese army, Lebanese terror group.

00:08:45.600 And Hezbollah has broken that ceasefire several times in the last day or two, and the Israelis have had to retaliate.

00:08:51.900 They're almost in full-blown blows over there.

00:08:55.120 So, you know, this is this is all this is all developing right now as we speak.

00:09:02.340 And it's going. And again, if I were a betting man and, you know, you can't say that lightly anymore because of these poly market, these betting markets where you can bet on war outcomes, which is really very scary, especially since some of the people who make these decisions and carry out the war have been caught betting on these things. 0.66

00:09:19.840 It's kind of like Pete Rose betting on baseball.

00:09:23.780 If he had been betting on his own team, we'll never know for sure on that one.

00:09:27.980 But the thing is, if I were a betting person or advising someone like that,

00:09:33.260 and I would like not to know someone like that,

00:09:34.880 I would tell them I think this thing is going to get hot again.

00:09:37.760 The war is going to get hot again, if I had to guess.

00:09:40.060 I hope not.

00:09:40.900 I would really like to see an unconditional surrender.

00:09:43.440 I would like to have our USS Missouri moment for you, History Buffs.

00:09:46.300 That's where the Japanese surrendered to Douglas MacArthur on the deck of that ship to end, you know, effectively World War II because the Japanese lasted longer than the Germans.

00:09:56.860 But I don't think we're going to get that from this crew.

00:10:00.240 And because of that, I think we're going to get into a hot war again.

00:10:04.080 Hope I'm wrong, and I hope we get that.

00:10:05.900 I hope we get that surrender.

00:10:07.380 All right. The other burning story in America, very much so, continues to be this incredible scandal, incredible evidence against the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:10:18.200 And I want to get you updated on that, including a very personal story about the SPLC from my life 25 years ago, about about 25 years ago, which was the moment when I realized this group was no good.

00:10:30.520 I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone. This is the Stone Zone. Stay with us.

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00:11:14.560 Now, get in the zone. It's the Stone Zone. Here's Roger Stone.

00:11:20.520 And I'm Jake Novick on this Friday night filling in for Roger Stone.

00:11:23.600 You know, we have a story developing here in the New York area, actually not far from my home,

00:11:29.100 that I think is a much bigger story, and it's pretty scary as it's being reported anyway,

00:11:34.220 but I think it's a much bigger story than it's been reported.

00:11:36.760 I believe this involves terrorism. I believe it's a more sophisticated incident than people are being led to believe.

00:11:42.440 it involves an elite public high school on Long Island. I'm going to talk about that in the next

00:11:47.440 half hour. But I want to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center. And you've heard so much about

00:11:50.980 it in the last few days. You haven't heard so much about it on the mainstream media, although

00:11:54.140 kudos to CBS, CBS Evening News doing a big expose on the Southern Poverty Law Center a couple of

00:12:01.180 nights ago. And good for them for joining in what the conservative news media has been covering.

00:12:05.880 But everyone should be covering this, this scandal. Records, receipts, financial stuff proving that they had been funding these right wing hate groups, supposedly right wing hate groups, just, you know, all of them, KKK, the white supremacist groups, in order to create a need for their quote unquote services and also to create a narrative of America being a much more hateful country than it truly is.

00:12:28.880 We've got plenty of hate in this country. We don't need a manufacturer in any. Thank you so much, SPLC.

00:12:33.920 But I wanted to tell you a personal story about this organization, one that I certainly wasn't a big fan of them 25 years ago.

00:12:41.340 But they went they crossed the line for me because of something that happened in my family involving the SPLC.

00:12:47.840 my father uh was it turns out you might remember the case in alabama many years ago when then judge

00:12:57.380 roy moore wanted to put the ten commandments in public buildings in alabama include especially

00:13:04.340 at the state supreme court he wanted to have this big artistic sculpture of the ten commandments

00:13:09.620 put there and there were a bunch of people suing against it saying that this was a violation

00:13:13.380 of church and state setting up an official religion now it just so happens that my father

00:13:19.780 is a great expert on religious law theology and specifically jewish law and tradition

00:13:25.780 and it just so happened that he had written well before this case became a thing

00:13:29.420 it's basically expanding on the fact that according to the early rabbis the right and

00:13:35.060 this is during the roman era the ten commandments were considered to be civil law and not religious

00:13:39.920 law. They were considered anyone who believed in God and was part and was living in that area was

00:13:47.080 this this was your law as well this was your cornerstone of morality so it wasn't anything

00:13:52.200 specifically just Jewish in other words. Now because my dad had written that years before

00:13:57.500 the state supreme court of Emma called him down as an expert witness in that case and he was

00:14:02.660 questioned about this and he explained the concept I don't know if the court understood it from what

00:14:06.260 I understand during the proceedings of the original case, the judge wasn't so smart. I'm

00:14:09.980 not talking about Judge Wormore. I mean, the judge who was presiding over this case. And who knows

00:14:13.940 what the people in the court understood or didn't understand. But that was why my dad was called,

00:14:19.640 because the idea was, hey, wait a minute, maybe this isn't a specific one religion over the other.

00:14:23.720 Maybe this isn't just Judaism or Christianity. If it's all religions, if it's a monotheistic

00:14:28.380 ethos, and that was what the Ten Commandments were considered to be, especially at that time.

00:14:33.300 At that time, during the time of the Romans, the Ten Commandments were part of the daily prayers in Jewish life.

00:14:41.000 You had to read, it was part of the morning prayers.

00:14:43.240 So it was something that kind of like was done publicly and recited publicly.

00:14:46.900 Anyway, one of the lawyers suing against this was working, one of the people suing against this was the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:14:55.500 And for the life of me, I don't know exactly what they had a problem with.

00:14:58.560 I don't understand how this has anything to do with necessarily bigotry.

00:15:03.380 I can understand the stretch, but it's quite galling when you consider the SPLC was basically

00:15:09.360 set up to help protect the rights of black people in the South and to fight the KKK until they

00:15:14.240 started funding them. I mean, the incredible ignorance of these people, do they not understand 0.97

00:15:20.100 that the abolitionist movement in this country was a church movement? It wasn't a bunch of

00:15:27.380 communist students from from university it was a church movement through and through

00:15:34.740 so the idea that like anything religious is somehow bigoted is is beyond me it's really 1.00

00:15:42.060 frightening to me that it it's it's a combination of hatred and stupidity which by the way go 1.00

00:15:46.580 together hate make you hate makes you stupid so an sblc lawyer gets up there to cross-examine my 1.00

00:15:52.260 dad like like he's a hostile witness he's not he's just telling them what he had written about 1.00

00:15:56.540 many years before and explaining that he's not he's not there to be a buddy to judge rory more

00:16:01.260 for all i you never met him i know my dad never met him still hasn't you know i mean none of that

00:16:05.380 was in in play my dad was just there as an expert on this and nobody in that courtroom or even in

00:16:10.080 the world can hold a candle to his expertise on this he wasn't there to help anybody win a case

00:16:15.000 necessarily he was asked questions and as a citizen in this country he answered the questions

00:16:19.280 that were posed to him well the sblc lawyer proceeded to smear my father basically saying

00:16:24.900 well wait a minute you're a professor at these universities and at university of virginia but

00:16:29.000 isn't it true and he he gets like the court into a hushed silence isn't it true that you are also

00:16:35.320 an ordained rabbi and he starts twirling his like fingers around his sideburns so i guess if my

00:16:41.720 father's like some kind of hasidic rabbi in disguise oh a rabbi dun dun dun i mean not only 0.99

00:16:50.280 was that stupid but it was just like he was what was he trying to do to get like i mean probably 0.99

00:16:53.820 it's like some New York guy who thought like, well, if in Alabama, if I identify this guy as 1.00

00:16:58.020 a rabbi, everyone's going to come out with a baseball bat and beat him. I mean, I don't know

00:17:00.940 what they were trying to do there. But the SPLC can really go pound sand. This is something that

00:17:06.560 happened 25 years ago or so. Yeah, I take it personally. I didn't like them before that,

00:17:11.880 to be honest. But now since then, I've really known what they're all about, which is,

00:17:15.660 you know, trying to stir up hatred. You know, I talked about that being the number one

00:17:22.280 bias in the news media. Well, we ain't alone on that one. There are people in this world whose

00:17:27.120 number one cause and number one goal in life is to stir hatred, stir fear, create controversy,

00:17:33.900 because they profit from it. And those people should be given a tremendous punishment. I believe

00:17:40.900 that people who fake hate crimes should be given a minimum of a 10-year federal prison sentence.

00:17:47.260 And I think people who organize national fake hate crimes should be given life in prison because a faked hate crime has the same effect as a phony one.

00:17:57.480 It still instills terror, but it also smears the people who didn't have anything to do with it.

00:18:03.680 It's a double crime and it's a heinous one.

00:18:06.200 When I come back, I'm going to let you know what's going on in Long Island because it's a story you're not going to hear anywhere else.

00:18:10.000 I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone on The Stone Zone.

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00:19:14.400 roger stone where's roger stone here's roger stone and i'm jake novak filling again in for

00:19:21.780 roger stone thank you so much for joining us uh we've got a story here in the new york area on

00:19:28.620 long island that is i believe a much bigger story than the public's being led to believe and it's

00:19:36.760 yet another example of how far journalism basic journalism has fallen down a cliff off a cliff

00:19:43.820 in this country. Let me give you the particulars. Maybe you heard about it yesterday because it was

00:19:48.400 somewhat reported nationally yesterday, although probably not that much. There's a town on Long

00:19:53.620 Island, Nassau County, called Syosset. It's a wealthy area. Syosset High School is one of the

00:19:58.560 top public high schools in this country, routinely ranked in the top 10. Very, very competitive.

00:20:04.600 A student at Syosset High School who folks at the school say was drawing swastikas and other stuff

00:20:11.500 on school property, was being investigated for that.

00:20:14.880 The cops came to his house on Wednesday.

00:20:17.660 And while they were at the house,

00:20:18.740 they found very dangerous bomb-making materials

00:20:21.860 and bombs in particular different stages of readiness.

00:20:27.680 The father says, no, no, no, wasn't making bombs.

00:20:30.840 He was making rockets for a school project.

00:20:34.020 And I got him, you know, I got him these materials.

00:20:36.920 And that's what you're reading in the mainstream media

00:20:39.020 and all the media.

00:20:39.640 Really, no one else is covering this except for me,

00:20:41.220 these other details now what was also in those mainstream media reports were a couple of clues

00:20:46.500 that of course they couldn't follow up on because they either didn't know how to do it or just

00:20:51.060 didn't want to they reported that the father said that he went to many different hardware stores to

00:20:57.280 buy these bomb making materials now for a lot of you listening right now an alarm bell just went

00:21:02.840 off and i know exactly what alarm bell went off because i'm like you i don't just i don't live in

00:21:07.760 the bubble here in new york city where no one knows about anything that's anything remotely

00:21:11.440 not white collar for those of you who don't know if you work in a hardware store in america and i

00:21:17.800 don't care if it's home depot or some mom and pop place if you work there you are trained to

00:21:23.000 understand that there are certain ingredients that you can buy to make a bomb and if someone

00:21:27.560 ever comes to the counter buying those two or three things at the same time you are to red flag

00:21:32.420 that you are to call your manager and maybe even call the cops and don't let them leave and certainly

00:21:36.200 don't let him buy the him or her buy those things so when i heard that this dad went to multiple

00:21:40.860 hardware stores where he could avoid that red flagging by buying one of these ingredients at

00:21:45.400 a time without setting off the alarm bells for this that set off alarm bells for me and it should

00:21:52.600 have if reporters who covered this stuff in the new york area knew anything about this kind of

00:21:58.280 stuff but they clearly didn't get that all right that's one thing second thing is there's no other

00:22:03.520 follow-up to the story. Did anyone ask Syosset High School if there was such a project where

00:22:09.780 this kid could be making rockets? We don't even know. No, who knows? I mean, at least put that

00:22:14.180 in the story. Questions were asked, we didn't get a response, or they said, we don't know, whatever.

00:22:19.560 No questions were asked about the immigration status of this father and son. His name is

00:22:24.480 Francisco Sanles. We don't know where he's from. We don't know if they're immigrant, but of course,

00:22:29.880 the mainstream media now feels that if anyone has asked their immigration status that's racist and

00:22:33.900 it's not right but it would be a fair question to ask because I did a little bit more digging

00:22:37.940 and found out the address that this person lives in Syosset and it's he's definitely not the

00:22:42.840 homeowner he's living in a home that's by the way happens to be for sale for about a million dollars

00:22:48.460 it last time it was sold was 11 years ago but we did learn in the story that this family of this

00:22:54.660 guy and his son have been living here for two years or living in that address for two years

00:22:59.160 So are they renters?

00:23:00.640 Is it an illegal rent?

00:23:02.280 Are they squatters?

00:23:03.040 Probably not squatters because in that neighborhood everyone would notice.

00:23:06.400 Are they relatives of the owners?

00:23:08.620 Have they been placed there by someone?

00:23:10.660 Where exactly did he come from?

00:23:13.280 Need to know all these things.

00:23:14.480 This is journalism 101, people.

00:23:18.060 And I understand that if they couldn't get the answers to these questions in the local news media outlets that cover this,

00:23:25.280 You at least have to tell the listeners, the viewers, the readers that you tried.

00:23:29.280 We asked the Nassau County Police Department what his immigration status was.

00:23:34.100 They didn't tell us.

00:23:34.860 We asked the high school, is there any rocket project going on?

00:23:37.420 We don't know.

00:23:38.200 I mean, you can do that, and it's frustrating to have to type that sentence.

00:23:40.600 It sounds like you're not getting anywhere, but it's just basic.

00:23:44.600 It's your job.

00:23:48.000 And I have so many questions about this story, and there are so many things that I don't believe.

00:23:54.940 Part of it is I'm having a hard time believing that's his real name.

00:23:58.060 I'm looking at this guy's picture, and I'm sorry,

00:24:00.220 and maybe I'm not supposed to racial profile mea culpa a hundred times if I'm wrong,

00:24:03.840 but it just doesn't look like a Latin American to me.

00:24:08.860 I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong, I will say I'm wrong.

00:24:12.360 But I'm not here to say, oh, I don't, that's not my point.

00:24:14.680 My point isn't to say, like, oh, you know, they really looked into this guy's face.

00:24:17.100 My big point is, like, I don't think they've asked enough questions, period.

00:24:21.020 What's your nationality?

00:24:22.220 You know, we have an illegal immigration crisis in this country under the Biden administration. We had tens of millions of illegal immigrants coming into this country. And even if most of them aren't criminals, and I'm sure most of them aren't, it's still a net gain of criminals coming into this country. I love I love these people who think this is a reasoned argument.

00:24:38.560 Well, what's wrong with these illegal immigrants? They commit murder at a lower rate than the people who are here legally, which, by the way, has not been proven definitively. Don't accept that statistic. But even if it were true, so we're still we're still importing some criminals into this country that we should that shouldn't be here. 1.00

00:24:54.740 how many how many what percentage of murder is acceptable to you and what a stupid argument that 0.95

00:24:59.680 is even if it were true and i'm not sure it is where this has been one of the biggest demographic 0.99

00:25:05.620 news stories affecting the lives of almost every american in the history of this country and

00:25:10.720 certainly in my lifetime and so whenever anyone is arrested for something and we really don't

00:25:16.080 know exactly their history in a neighborhood that should be asked and it's not racist to ask it and

00:25:21.140 it's and it's irresponsible not to ask it i did see some local news outlets saying that they

00:25:29.420 didn't know his immigration status so good for them although most of them didn't and they

00:25:32.500 certainly didn't make it an issue to really pound the table on because so far we still don't know

00:25:36.780 by now we would have known if they were really making an issue out of it they're not

00:25:40.700 i don't know if this kid is really even this man's son because we also know that so many people came

00:25:48.600 over the border during the Biden years claiming to be families when it turned out the adult was

00:25:53.340 a child trafficker with children or using children as kind of a human shield. This isn't crazy

00:25:59.800 conspiracy stuff, folks. This is all heavily documented, and the numbers are astounding.

00:26:04.660 The numbers are off the charts. For anyone who still believes the arguments like, well,

00:26:08.280 illegal aliens help our economy, those were studies based on a trickle compared to what

00:26:13.660 massive flood came into this country during the Biden years. There's been no economic study

00:26:18.160 into what happens to a country 0.99

00:26:19.720 when 20, 30 million illegals come over in four years.

00:26:22.300 There's never been any numbers on that that we can fathom.

00:26:26.340 Stop making 1980s, early 90s arguments

00:26:29.260 about our current situation.

00:26:34.340 And the news media and the left wing in America

00:26:37.980 have won over the easily winnable newsrooms in this country

00:26:43.980 and gotten to the point now

00:26:45.420 where they're willing to agree not to use the term illegal alien.

00:26:49.800 They're willing to not even ask.

00:26:52.380 They're willing to use whatever pronoun someone wants to use,

00:26:55.280 even when we're looking for a suspect.

00:26:57.160 And it would be nice to know if this were a man or a woman that we're looking for.

00:27:00.280 I mean, all these kinds of things which actually endanger public safety

00:27:03.260 and at the very least endanger your ability to want to read their stories and their journalism.

00:27:08.700 This is still a business, folks.

00:27:11.780 And you've heard me make this point before,

00:27:13.740 if you've listened to me or looked at my social media.

00:27:16.460 And by the way, if you want to see the picture of the suspect

00:27:18.780 and you want to see some of the other information

00:27:21.100 that I've dug up on this story,

00:27:22.300 you can just follow my X feed, at Jake Jake NY.

00:27:26.300 And you'll find it all.

00:27:27.480 You'll scroll through a lot of things, but you'll find it all.

00:27:29.700 But if you've heard me in the past,

00:27:31.560 you know that one of my big pound the table issues

00:27:34.260 is that journalism is still a business.

00:27:39.320 It's a business.

00:27:41.120 And you want to make your money ethically,

00:27:42.920 but it's still a business where we're trying to make money.

00:27:46.220 And yet so many of the news media outlets in this country

00:27:48.820 clearly don't have making a profit as any one of their goals whatsoever.

00:27:56.140 The problem is some of the companies that are the parent companies

00:27:59.200 of some of these outlets like NBC News or ABC News,

00:28:04.320 some of the companies that own those media outlets

00:28:06.700 are public companies with shareholders.

00:28:08.460 And I think the shareholders should know

00:28:09.760 if you're a shareholder in Disney,

00:28:11.260 If you're a shareholder in Comcast, which owns NBC, and I can name a lot of others, you should know that your company, your money is being invested in a company that has division after division that aren't interested in making money.

00:28:24.640 I think you should know that. I also think it's actionable. I think the shareholders of Comcast should sue Comcast for carrying divisions in their business, expensive divisions that have no intention of really making money, that are just there to parrot a political statement.

00:28:41.540 and if the if the comcast lawyers were honest in discovery they would say that's true

00:28:47.120 but we're doing that for the overall goal of protecting the profits of our other divisions

00:28:51.700 in other words we use nbc news and ms now and cnbc i know they spun them off but they still

00:28:56.780 have controlling interest we use all those entities to basically be a de facto lobbying

00:29:01.740 outlet so that our really important money-making entity the broadband cable stuff and everything

00:29:06.820 else like that which is susceptible to regulatory hell i mean congress could snap its fingers and

00:29:12.300 put comcast out of business considering all the regulatory okay you need to run communications

00:29:19.520 and telecom and stuff like that in this country in any country and i would love for the nbc comcast

00:29:25.600 lawyers to admit that's why we put so much pro bureaucracy pro swamp pro usually the democrats

00:29:31.720 and control content on our news platforms

00:29:36.120 because we're trying to make them feel like we're their friends

00:29:38.840 so that they don't screw us in regulatory hearings.

00:29:42.080 Same thing with Disney.

00:29:43.680 Remember when Ron DeSantis decided to fool with Disney's exemptions

00:29:47.060 for their theme parks in Florida and how scary that was for Disney?

00:29:51.940 Well, imagine the federal government doing something like that.

00:29:55.120 So Disney's going to make ABC and even ESPN woke, ABC News,

00:29:59.240 as much as possible so that those congressmen and women and bureaucrats in D.C. feel like

00:30:04.660 they're on their side.

00:30:07.140 It's a loss leader, in other words.

00:30:09.020 It's a lobbying, and probably cheaper than lobbying, but still not a money-making enterprise.

00:30:14.020 And if I'm a chairholder, I want that in my quarterly earnings statement.

00:30:18.980 I want them referred to as a lobbying organization that loses money on the top line, but hopefully

00:30:24.860 makes money on the bottom line.

00:30:26.300 That's what I want.

00:30:26.920 That's the kind of disclosure I demand as a shareholder.

00:30:32.300 And right now, the local news operations that are owned, especially in New York, they're all owned and operated by the national news media.

00:30:38.540 They're not doing enough to get me to want to click on that story and follow it.

00:30:41.780 Let me tell you something about culture on Long Island, especially in Nassau County.

00:30:45.380 This story hits all the major hot points for people who live in Nassau County.

00:30:50.720 Public schools, you know, the competition between the elite public school systems in Nassau County.

00:30:56.100 That would be Syosset, Jericho, Roslyn.

00:30:59.180 For those of you who live in this area, you know what I'm talking about.

00:31:01.220 The competition is fierce.

00:31:02.580 And anything that involves news in those school districts is a big story for anyone who lives in Nassau County.

00:31:08.780 One.

00:31:09.540 Two, it involves real estate.

00:31:11.100 This is a $1 million listed home.

00:31:12.660 There's not a lot of homes under $1 million in Syosset.

00:31:15.180 But it's a pretty modest home.

00:31:16.940 I want to know how these people got in there.

00:31:19.080 What's going on?

00:31:19.960 Is this an illegal rental?

00:31:21.540 What's the real value of that house?

00:31:23.060 It's being listed now.

00:31:23.940 I want to know all that, too.

00:31:24.980 That's another big hot-button issue on Long Island.

00:31:28.560 Not to mention, someone might have brought in bombs to kill people in a school. 0.76

00:31:32.440 And, oh, by the way, Sayaset is a very Jewish area.

00:31:36.040 Sayaset High School is filled with Jewish students. 0.58

00:31:38.840 This hits all the major hot buttons, and you're just going to give this the quick 30-second move and then move on?

00:31:46.180 Are you interested in getting an audience, news organizations?

00:31:50.460 Or are you interested in just being boring and being lobbyists?

00:31:54.820 I don't know.

00:31:55.460 Please make your mind up because this is a heck of a story.

00:31:58.960 Even if it just turns out to be just what it is now.

00:32:01.880 Maybe it was just a kid being reckless.

00:32:04.620 Who knows?

00:32:05.460 Either way, it's still a huge story, especially for that area.

00:32:09.380 And they're not covering it properly.

00:32:12.600 Because of a combination of them not knowing how, and clearly there isn't the will.

00:32:17.300 What a way to make a business.

00:32:18.320 Imagine if you went to your local sandwich shop and the guy didn't know how to make a good sandwich.

00:32:22.140 He didn't care.

00:32:22.640 you wouldn't go to that sandwich shop anymore would you boy you know for all the talk about

00:32:28.460 capitalism and greed the greatest achievements in american and world history have been done in

00:32:33.960 selfish self-interest that's how you cure cancer that's how you create the airplane

00:32:39.820 that's how you make uh refrigerators and on and on down the line you want to get paid

00:32:45.140 and yeah you want to do a good deed sometimes too but you need to get paid for your work

00:32:48.760 that's how it works and they haven't been able to create anything better despite what you've

00:32:52.420 seeing on Star Trek. I'm Jake Novak

00:32:54.480 filling in for Roger Stone on The Stone Zone.

00:32:56.660 Going to have some sound telling him

00:32:58.340 something nice in the world in just a few

00:33:00.420 seconds when we come back. Stay with us.

00:33:02.940 This is The Stone

00:33:04.340 Zone with Roger Stone.

00:33:06.420 And he's a great, great person,

00:33:08.640 Roger Stone.

00:33:10.560 The Stone Zone.

00:33:22.420 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:33:34.780 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:33:38.860 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:33:40.080 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:33:43.160 Now, get him a zone.

00:33:44.980 It's the Stone Zone.

00:33:47.040 Here's Roger Stone.

00:33:49.300 And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone.

00:33:51.500 And one more segment here on the Stone Zone this evening.

00:33:54.100 And I don't want to be guilty of something that I was complaining about at the top of the program and then in the middle of the program as well.

00:34:01.260 I don't want to be guilty of the whole the news media is number one bias is just negative stories and frightening stories and just divisive stuff.

00:34:09.740 I'd like to be able to finish off at least with something a little bit more heartwarming.

00:34:14.520 And, you know, today was the release of this new biopic about Michael Jackson.

00:34:19.940 I think it's just called Michael.

00:34:22.280 And, you know, I've read about it.

00:34:25.540 I've seen the commercials for it.

00:34:27.080 I don't know if I'm going to see it, but I'm intrigued.

00:34:29.580 I have to admit I'm intrigued.

00:34:31.960 But what I've read about it is that it stays away from the controversial stuff.

00:34:36.020 Obviously, the sex and the molestation stuff, it stays away from that.

00:34:39.400 And for those of you who think, like, well, that's really leaving out a lot of stuff, understand that this movie is not pretending to be about everything in this person's life.

00:34:47.500 It's about his step from being a part of his group with his brothers to being a solo act, and what an incredible sensation it was that.

00:34:56.080 Anyone who lived through that, as I did, and this was my teenage years, so this was, not only did I live through it, but it was something that was really targeted at me and my demo.

00:35:03.840 You couldn't avoid it.

00:35:06.300 I can tell you, it was an extraordinary thing.

00:35:09.340 The interest in this guy and his solo career when it took off was interesting.

00:35:15.400 And just as someone who's interested in history, I was very interested when I learned certain things about Michael Jackson.

00:35:20.600 I don't know if this movie is going to talk about this, but this is stuff that I've heard from a number of people who worked with him over the years.

00:35:27.660 His first solo album was 1979.

00:35:30.180 It was an album called Off the Wall.

00:35:31.440 It was an incredible success.

00:35:33.000 It was a huge hit.

00:35:35.040 And then I remember being shocked when I saw some of the documentaries about the making of Thriller, which was the next album which came out in 1982.

00:35:41.920 too, I remember being shocked to hear that both Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones, Quincy Jones

00:35:48.000 being his longtime producer, and of course the great Quincy Jones you know from other things

00:35:51.740 that he did, were really disappointed in the sales for Off the Wall, even though it was this

00:35:56.020 huge hit. They thought that this was so groundbreaking that it should have been the

00:36:01.080 greatest album of the decade. And so that was their motivation when they did Thriller. They

00:36:05.860 were like, darn it, we're going to get it now. And boy, did they ever. I don't know if you like 0.98

00:36:09.820 that music or not but they certainly hit it with that album i mean that album was just it was

00:36:15.340 constantly on the radio the first one was billy jean that was the first release i mean that was

00:36:20.880 constantly on the radio and then beat it and then when thriller came i mean it was just good luck

00:36:24.900 turning your radio dial back then and not hearing one of the out one of the songs from that album

00:36:29.440 it was a huge hit and it was a massive amount of work and a massive amount of dedication involved

00:36:35.880 and they had a chip on their shoulder

00:36:37.920 because off the wall,

00:36:39.000 even though it was this huge, huge hit,

00:36:40.260 wasn't big enough in their minds

00:36:41.340 considering what they had done on that album.

00:36:43.060 So that's interesting to me

00:36:44.020 and from what I understand,

00:36:44.880 that's what this movie is going to,

00:36:46.320 this movie really focuses on

00:36:48.080 and on the national tour,

00:36:49.720 international tour that they went on

00:36:51.120 and everything else like that.

00:36:53.020 So with that in mind,

00:36:54.260 there's been a lot of people connected

00:36:55.460 to the Michael Jackson history

00:36:57.500 who have been going out on TV

00:36:59.140 and doing interviews

00:36:59.840 and one of them is this woman named Ramon Bain

00:37:01.780 who was a publicist for Michael Jackson

00:37:03.800 for a long time

00:37:04.660 and she's been out telling the story about donald trump and michael jackson going back to 2005

00:37:11.380 listen to this president trump who was not president at the time at the time but you know

00:37:17.040 i never will forget a conversation he said to michael he says you have a place here

00:37:21.480 at um trump towers as long as i'm alive you'll never lose it and do you need anything he offered

00:37:31.040 financial support yeah and that's the truth president trump who was not president that's

00:37:36.520 ramon bain and you know look does that mean that donald trump is the philanthropist of all time

00:37:41.140 and uh maybe you could say well donald trump had soft spots in his heart for certain celebrities

00:37:45.940 particularly it seems like he's had soft spots in his heart for a long time for african-american

00:37:50.220 celebrities i'm thinking of some of the other ones he's helped over the years um but so what

00:37:56.960 It doesn't matter. It's an act of kindness. And I just think that it's an interesting little caveat.

00:38:03.200 I wanted to end on something a little bit more positive, but understand, folks, that, you know, anyone can really decide to create an impression of a public official, of a public figure.

00:38:16.620 And one of the things that's really struck me about Donald Trump is that no matter how many people I meet, I never usually get necessarily the same story.

00:38:27.400 I hear people who say something bad about him.

00:38:29.900 And of course, we see that in the mainstream news media every day.

00:38:33.700 And I don't meet too many people who have had a personal bad experience with him, but I read about it in the media just like you do.

00:38:40.840 But when I meet people who have had personal dealings with Donald Trump, whether it was in business or when it was show business, especially on shows like The Apprentice and things like that, I hear good things.

00:38:53.180 Here's the bottom line.

00:38:54.240 I'm probably never going to be

00:38:56.620 a close friend with Donald Trump

00:38:59.120 not because I have a problem with him

00:39:00.080 because I clearly don't

00:39:01.480 but if I'm going to spend my whole day

00:39:04.780 like so many people do

00:39:05.780 who hate him especially

00:39:06.760 turning my guts inside out

00:39:10.200 about things about him that bother me

00:39:11.780 maybe I'll find out

00:39:13.900 some of the good things too

00:39:14.780 just a little bit of mental health care

00:39:16.540 for all of you

00:39:17.360 alright I'm Jake Novak

00:39:18.540 this has been the Stone Zone

00:39:19.580 enjoy your weekend

00:39:24.240 We'll be right back.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 25, 2026

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